The Need for Closure

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Size availability varies by crest tyight, max seven toppings six for and in New York style crest, minimum purchase required for delivery, prrices, participation, delivery area and charges may vary. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine What of glorious Time is but a stubborn illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. T Chapel is possible M. Everybody, before we get into this week's show, let's talk to you real quick about the advanced screening of the Shape of shhadows at Battleground Cinema Theater in Battleground, Washington this Thursday. We are going to be there. M and my team plus Wes Grimer To do the advanced screening of my next film, The Shape of Shadows where we went out to Utah to Space Wolf Research, which butts up against Skinwalker Ranch and we did our thing for an entire week looking for skkinwalkers. And that's coming this Thursday to Battleground Cinema Theater as an advanced screening to very few people. So if you wantna be part of that very few people crowd, you're gonna want to go to thehape ofhadows dot com and get your ticket because after the advanced screening We're going to do a town hall where people can stand up and share what they've experienced when it comes to Bigfoot in the area and do a Q and A with Wes Germmer, myself and the team from the Shpe of Shadows all doing answers and questions and questions and answers for you guys. But that's going to be this Thursday. If you want to get in on the action, go to the shhape ofhadows dot comot get your ticket before they're sold out Let's get to the show This was all circulating around the base. A giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it Breathe long bony fingers underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear When he came over to me, Dude he slithered over to me This giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well the giant moves He got a spear in one hand, he're running really fast and speers Dan and pulls him up like this Somebody y'se shoot them in the face, shoot ' them in the face. they basically decapitat him Got Per, gotot Per, got Pker, when he got about fifteen yards away from me, I raised that clve g and I blow this head up I pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray and pulling at. and they' literally I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand into this bush and I touch air. couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reallyad it You. Welcome to showbody listening to professionions. I' your host Tony Mer. 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It is going to be available next Thursday, april thirteenth right there on your Apple App Store or Android Google Play Store. In fact, it's available there right now, you just can't in I have an access code and you just can't get in, but Next Thursday is going to be unlocked for all the members and I'm really excited about it. So look forward to that. if you're a member. Okay, this week we have James and Mike coming on. They are the dynamic duo twins and they're coming on to talk about several different things, NDEs, hauntings, Bigfoot sightings all in New York state, but here's the thing that is the most attractable piece of this conversation and it's what we sat down to originally talk about These two twin brothers and their cousin was abducted in two thousand three They have a lot of missing time. They all remember certain things from it. It's an ongoing situation where they have things implanted in their bodies and James feels an extreme amount of guilt from this whole thing because he is the one that got him into the situation. And you hear us trying to work through all the details on this episode. I hope you guys enjoy it. Let's get to James and Mike from the impromptu Truth Right now All right, today we got Mike and James, James and Mike, the identical twin duo. How you guys doing? Oh, we're good, man. How are you doing today How you doing? Ty? Glad to be here, man Definitely. Listen We just got done talking for about almost two hours. in that process, it got hot in here. I went out there to turn on the AC Get some water. told my brother who's now working for me. I said, Hey, we haven't started y. He' like, you haven't started yet. I'm like, we haven't started yet. Now he's out there probably thinking I wonder if they started yet Sorry, son, this is how I do things. But Yeah, so We're sitting here chatting about a million different things. Some things show wororthy, some things maybe not so showworthy, but I'll tell you We were talking about Tennessee. And you guys had a story come across your path that we're gonna to get into to kind of launch the topic of conversation, not even the topic of conversation, just launch conversation. But before we do that, I don't care who wants to do it, but tell the audience who you are, what you guys do, where they can find all your stuff. social media, anything you want to promote. All right, so me and this guy over here, we got a YouTube channel called an impromptu Truth. And on that show We started out doing interviews with people we know. They would just sit down face to face interviews and it's kind of branched off into us doing interviews with people online or just us rambling and talking about whatever we want to talk about on show movies paranormal stuff, cryptids I don't we don't touch demonic stuff in politics This one' in the same, so we just leave that stuff alone. but Yeah, it's um we just we try to portray On the show Read. ourselves. So what you see on that show is what you get from us in real life, You know what I mean that's why we call it an impromptu truth. The banter you hear between us, that's like actual banter between. Like it's not script or anything. That's how we talk to each other Like I'll curse him out. He'll curse me out in the middle of the show. like we'll disagree, we'll agree. But its we generally try to keep it a chill environment over there and Well like like I said, we'll talk about anything and everything except Dmonic stuff in politics And you guys will come over to YouTube and check us out, man. Yeah, absolutely. Check them out. The link will be in the description of this episode anyway, so people can check it out easier You're missing out on the demonic stuff, man, You got to go down to the Demonic Hole. get's interesting It does, but I've I understand that goingo down that rabbit hole, you get attachments and I got little ones that I don't want any attachments running around my house messing with them. you know what I mean? So I'd rather just leave that stuff alone. You know, and people ask me about it and stuff along those lines. And u they They they they'll say things very similar things like,, arerenn't you afraid that something's going to attach itself to you And really the reason why I'm not because when I first started doing this podcast and do going down this road, I I was nervous about that kind of stuff because I was new at all the stuff. I had come from like I was raised in the church, I went to Bible college, even I really wasn't a Christian at the time but I went to Bible college. And So I was familiar with that kind of stuff. but When I started the podcast, I came from the Bigfoot world mostly. Like I was talking a lot about Bigfoot and you know, I decided to start this podcast talking about everything. So I was a little nervous about it. but for me, the thing was is that the way the show started where I've told I've been telling the story more and stuff, so I'm not going to rehash it now. but literally I was driving my tract to trailer through Philadelphia and I felt God tell me, you were going to be a podcaster. Like it was all kind of ordained. And so I was just like I kind of like, I sat back and I was like, you know what If I really believe God put me here, then I've got to believe that He's going to preserve me as well. And and I've come to this understanding in philosophy, I don't know if it's philosophy, I don't know, but basically if I have an experience I feel like it's something that God is going to use to allow me to be stronger and understand And I say that because of my experience with the warlock that I talk about sometimes in the show Like when I went to that guy's house I had never I wasn't doing this podcast. And I had never considered the idea of being in the presence of a Satanist and somebody who wants to do me harm And I went through that whole thing. And it affected me deeply by fast forward I talk about on the show And it gave me a perspective that I wouldn't have had and you can't have unless you actually go through it And so there are times that like I'll say things and you know, we were talking about the little before stuff, like I'll say things on my show sometimes. I get emails about, you know. When I say things along those lines though, I'm very sure myself because I've been through it. I've experienced it. So nobody's going to tell me otherwise. likeike I know what I felt, I know what I went through. And so long story short, I had the same fears, but the thing that for me it was just like, It was a spiritual thing almost. L I feel like God wants me doing this and I got believe He's going to protect me And so so far, I've been pretty good other than the dog man popp it up in the house. So you know, the light stuff, you know, just simple stuff. I haven't had any paranormal experiences in my house, but there was a lot of paranormal stuff to happen to us when we were younger and getting ees toub Oh I recent times paranormal stuff that's happened over the last And I say A year and a half two years very strange. But But first let's get into this dog man case. All right, so our on our show the other day, I got a message on Facebook from one of our listeners. Really cool lady, really cool lady. And she asked me if we had anybody on anybody down in Kingston, Tennessee. So I will actually read you But she sent me because I have it right here. And She said, Do we have anyone from Kingston, Tennessee or near it? My son just saw a huge dog man by his house standing in the tree line, says it was massive and it freaked him out and he's going to try to take a picture of it the next time when he's standing out there. So we dove into this a little bit. now it's happened took place in Kingston, Tennessee. And it was about eleven o'clock at night and He was outside smoking a cigarette. when he saw this thing When he saw it come out of the tree line, there's one street light there. So it was sparsely lit of according to according to his mother Now, my theory is that I think it might have smelled the cigarette smoke and poked itself out You know what I mean? Be like I smo I smoke cigarettes and if If these things supposedly have the sense of smell that they do They would have clocked in on that immediately and went to go see what it was. you know what I mean? So I kind of think maybe the cigarette smoke is what attracted that thing to them And then I also say, listen Don't do anything that this thing might portray as antagonistic So like would you want to take a picture of it mayaybe set up a camera in your window on your window sill. Don't go out there trying to antagonize it because it's just not gonna to end well. And you hear that from numerous stories about people dealing with these creatures Yeah, I said if u if they have like the Ring cameras maybe set one up to point at the area where they seen it and see if they catch it like that Do not do anything aggressive If you need to, put up more lights because he has kids and what and he doesn't want want it coming into his house. so The one question we forgot to ask was, what was the yardage from the position far away where you can see it come out the wheel woodline Yeah. I will say I live like forty five minutes from Kingston And I'm looking at on the map and I'm like, . So how' sk to join Yeah I mean and Scott Carpenter can go over there and check out the property. So maybe u She says, do you have anybody in the area? I'll shoot her a message if you guys really want to go out her shout Now shoot aessage, Yeah, I don't I don't think Scott Carpenter would be opposed to it. so Um listen, I am Yeah Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean As careful as you can be hunting interdimensional demons. So, you know,, this is true But u Yeah, I just Im I'm gonna to kind of I'm at a point my life where I'm just like like we werere talking. I just can't help but push these buttons. especially've never I've never lived anywhere where there's so much activity. And now it's just like all around me. and I live out in the stick, so it's probably closer to my home than what I could imagine. I probably don't need a drive at Kingston.. Yeah. probablyrobably. that's whatcott told me Sot's like Bro, they're around your house. I'm like, Really Probably Um So before h right before we started stream, my brother had said, Oh, did you tell them about your bigfoot sighting So like I told you, like I said earlier, I work at UPS. I'm a supervisor. and I travel this one route Five days a weekve been doing it for ten years This happened back in twenty fifteen I'm onn my way to work, I'm driving a little Maza three And The way before you get to the building, right? you come off the highway, you go up go up this little embankment and you start coming down a hill and you start going up and it curves like that. When my my when I start going up the hill, My headlights caught Something that it had to be at least seven and a half feet tall don't know if it was a big fooot. All I know is it was stepping off the off the road onto the embankment. And then it turned like its whole upper body and looked at my car. And when it did You could see its eyes and it ey you know that safety vest green, that safety vest yellow? eyes lit up like that and I was like, what was that and then off and went down the embankment And I got to I got to the building walked in told everybody what I saw and they all thought I was completely crazy And when they all thought I was crazy, I called him at four o'clock in morning told him what I saw. He's like, Yeah, why you go out spad tell him what I just saw, right? And then I refuseed to go outside uil the sun came up. because this happened like a mile like Az arow flies a mile from the building And I was like, I'm not going outside. It's just not going happen. So later on that day, he calls me up. he's like, Hey, Jay Let's go take a ride out there and see what you saw Like I really don't want to go out to. He's like o Oh, yeo, come on, come on. I'm like, All right, let's go. So we hop in the car. And I take him to the exact spot and I'm like, I'm not getting out of car He's like, all right, whatever So so he gets out of car walks across the street and he starts calling my name. Come here. I'm like, what do you want? He's like, comeome here, come here, come look at So I get out of the car, I walk over And sure enough where I saw this thing There's a footprint A fourteen inches wide. pated down in the grass. and I'm like, yo, get in the car, let's go ' because now it's like seven o'clock at night in thes getting dark. I'm like,'s go, let's get in car and we Tk off Yeah. so that I don't know if it was a bigig fooot. I don't know what it was. It was big with saafety Vest green colored eyes Yeah. And Okay, so but All right, so it was fourteen inches long or wide. Fourteen inches long And it was about and about six or seven inches wide Dude you saw a big foot. I mean like I I'm not I'm not saying it was a big foot. I'm not saying it wass not a big foot. I'm just saying it was Really big and really weird. What See what what would it take for you to like I mean, you saw something You see the footprint at the location Like what else do you need personally? Is it you need to have it like smack you or what? Um I need Because when like I said, when my headlights hit it, you could just see the silhouette. It was just silouetted But you could see how massive the silhouette was and The reason I freaked out was because the eyes lit up And I'd have to say in order for me to really be convinced, Id need to see it like You know, those like ten thousand aluminum flashlights. I'd need to see it through one of those. like right in the face. All right. That's a bigigfoot. Okay. now I know what to see him But I'm just saying I don't know what it was because apparently his boss has a girlfriend and she girlfriend had a girlfriend. She lived not too far from the UPS building where my sighting happened a mile down the road And she told his boss that one night she heard something outside. She walked outside and Sure like the same thing. dogs are acting weird and she' usually lets her dogs out, but her dogs are acting weird, they wouldn't go outside. So she walked out to her front porch. In her backyard, she has a big barn. sorry about that. She has a big barn and She' seeing something with those same reflective eyes standing down by the eave on the corner eve or the barn this was Yeah R like a as a crow fly is maybe a half a mile whereere she li from where you' seen that? But then a few weeks ago in the same area we seen Whatever that was, he kind of seen what looked like Tbreakish type deal Yeah Um I Tony, I still don't know what to make of that one Um You saw it yourself? Yeah B, I was same spot. I saw this thing with these green eyes couple like last week week before I'm traveveling this road. Like I said, I've been traveling this road five days a week for ten years And my headlights hit something in It was deeper in the treeeline than what this what this other thing was. But When my headlights hit it, you've ever seen football players doing bar crawls Yeah It looked like that And it was it was Gangly, lanky. and wait lookook like a man And I I slowed down. lights hit it and I'm looking at. I'm like what the hell is what the hell is that And I'm like, no. No, no, no, and I drove Right? And I got like a half mile away and I was like, wait a minute You're supposed to be into this stuff. You just go back and look. I've thought about it for half secondcs, No, justust go go to work. And I just I went to work and totally took it out of my mind because that's not I don't w want to be known as guy saw whatever those things were tail Cl or whatever like that. You know, I mean, it's bad enough to I got got the stigma UFO guy at work. So all right was when it was walking so you said the bear crawl, so it's like it's buttts in the air And no hand I would't done I wouldn't say I wouldn't say the butt was in the air. It was more butt was low and its legs were long You know what I mean? but it was moving It was doing that. You know those stair the stair exercise things like that. It was kind of like that, but like onn the ground moving like that. and I just I don't don't know where it could be going because Where that spot is, there's like a little cemetery there, right? And then there's some old dilapidated cottages, maybe like another thirty yards down that hill then after that That's highway, like there's a drop off in and that's the highway Like that'sroup seventeen. That's a fairly used highway. I just I don't know could have been going or where it could have been coming from But I didn't when I got to work, I didn't tell anybody and yeah, Would you see No, I didn't tell anybody because like I said, Jared Yep, but he calls me at eight thirty in the morning and tells me about it Yeah you I mean, your family. I'm going to tell you that. Gotta tell somebody So that's really interesting. This happened twice essentially you had something happen twice same area Um I mean, I should rename my sh my show to the portal show or something like that. What what's this what's this area look like though? Is it is it is it like in the city like near the depot or're We're in we're in Sullivan County. It's kind of u It' kind of like a rural area. It's I'll put it this way. Our population only grows in the summertime Like we have a lot of summer visitors that come up here in our population trip guys like during the winter timee. It's We maybe twenty thousand people, twenty thousand people in the county somethingomet like that. So it's not it's note at all. Yeah It's not and Southern County, it's It's huge. This county is massive. So Yeah, there's not a lot of people around here in the winter timee And it's a pretty rural area Do you think that Well All right, let me ask you this then. What are what do you think about the topic of Bigfoot, what do you think it is? And also you brought the rake. So I mean, and what you saw I It doesn't seem natural So what are your thoughts on those two, at least those two topics and does it fit in a paradigm of Uh, it being just a physical thing that you saw or ards in regards to Bigfoot. Um I think some of them might display interdimensional characteristics Coaking stuff I don't know. I think they are a natural creature, but they have a touch of I might get flagged for this, but Nphlm DNA to them You know what I mean? That's why you can That's what that's what they u That's why they can do some of the stuff that they do. They can hide so well, they can disappear. they can hit you with the infraasound and everything like that and like completely disrupt you U Now these rake things I don't think they're inter dimensional. I think brakes, pale crawlers or whatever you want to call them I think they're coming out of cave systems I think there's some ancient or someome kind of mutation that. coming out of the cave systems because that would explain the pastiness of the skin the lankiness, the gauntess because in order to fit through some of those cave passages you would have to be skinny. You would have to be able to like maneuver like a spider or something like that. you know what I mean? So I think those Those things are coming out of local cave systems and some people are just just so happen to be seeing them when they're popping out of their systems. Yeah Well, I mean, that could go with the bigigfoot side of things too, that they could be in cave systems. Now, do you have that kind of stuff in your area Yeah, with those tun caves Iry about I might S something. Yeah, we absolutely have our dec cpe system. I thought something big for this They're you have the fluss and butud ones who are actually here, but then you do have ones who could cloak in through portals and When now that's like, um, you ever hear of the the The phenomenona called a Glimmer manan What if B foot is that? like what people are saying the Ger manan is actually a big foot likeike has that kind of characteristic that it can do it You could put them in the same char almost the same category as the Fe And real flesh and blood creatures. and there's also been reports of numerous reports of People seeing UFO's in the skies And as soon as they see the UFO they see big for dogman or something else along those lines. It's a broad spectrum of what it can be Now, I remember I used to work in a restaurant and we used to have like the DC guys coming all the time But one time we had is state forest ranger coming And my boss, he really he had no filter. He didn't really care. He believes in Bigfoot and everything like that So he wass like, young I'm about to ask this guy by big foot. All I don't know if you want to All right, go ahead and easily. do you believe in Bigfoot And the state forest Ranger looked as he said You can't deny that Dermer Ridges caght in the printince It's like it makes sense And then we had another conversation where there was a rookie DEC officer came in And he was with his superior. and my boss asked them the same question The Young guy. He wanted to say something. the order gentleman had a look in his face staring at the guy like, if you say something? We're going to have problems. Like I I became very cool with like all the DEC officers and stuff like that, but I was always lering on asking them questions about like what they've seen in the woods or anything strange like that because I didn't want to alienate the friendship because Me personally, I'm outdoors, I go fishing all the time and I don't need them roll up on me screaming game, warden L I'm completely different. I don't care. I will walk up to a police officer and be like, Yo, what is the weirdest call you've been on And sometimes sometimes I get answer, sometimes like, u I haven't really he anything weird, but yeah, one guy answered me. he was like Yeah, he got sent out to a call and he said, you could feel evil. This woman had been working a root on this guy and he said, When you walked in the house feel like the evil oozing off of this woman. So they had to go and bring the guy out so he would be safe and everything He's I haven't talked to an officer in a while, but he was supposed to find me the the case file for that. Love the read that And we have a few family members that have seen like strange stuff. I guess My uncle one of my uncles, he was a truck driver in the early nineties and he was leaving Louisiana goingo into Mississippi. I forgot where Roddie was, but he said he seen a aboutb a big black dog about five feet at the shoulders running out of the woods and come running towards his eighteen wheeler and he had to basically like steer and almost crash this truck to Wait, not have the thing hit him I've been trying to get him to talk but he's kind of No I don't want to bring it up. I don't want to talk about it And then we have an uncle who was a former statetroopper. like, you know, everybody uses the wingo Black dog, black cow and like stuff like that with like, law enforcement. brother asked him about it. He's like, you ever been called out to her Black build Black town Inident said he said yes and then didn't respond to me back for like a few months. And he's like one of he was one of the top state troopers in the state So u Your uncle is the one that had the black dog with the trucking thing. Yep that's a separate uncle. So that is I don't know if you know this, but that's something that a lot of truckers claim to have experiences with. Have you ever heard about that like big black dogs running out of the woods at them. Yeah, I think there's actually like an old song made about it. And I hadn't heard about this because I've never experienced it. but when I used to host Hammerlaying Legends with my dad, it was a truck and it was still. it was still around. He hosts it with a coworker now. and it's truck drivers talking about their experiences on the road. Sometimes it's paranormal. A lot of times it's just you should have saw that lizard, you know? like Like We had somebody come on talking about that. and I had never heard of it. My dad had. and he referenced I believe a song or maybe even a movie, but I think I think they call it like the Black dog or a hellhound or something of that, but like truckers talk about this experience where this black dog comes running out along the road or in front of them. I think the guy we were talking to was actually running along the truck with him. But that's really interesting that you say that because I up until I had that guy on the show for Hammerlane Legends I had never heard of it And and now you're saying that your uncle experienced that too. and he was a truck driver. That's really interesting. And I had guys at work when I went into work and they had heard that show. they were saying, oh, yeah, yeah, I've heard of that and st. And I think it was Phil, the one guy Phil at work. He was an old time trucker and stuff and he had talked to drivers that had that experience. I don't know what it is with truckers and seeing this black dog running along the truck He described it as being five feet at the soorders I f that What did you say? fiveive feet at the surface about maybe seven feet long. It came out the woodline and ran directly at the shuck. Man, that's cray So it like it ran directly out of his truck, but what happened after that? Like did it just dodge or what? Yeah, he basically slammed on the brakes and like like skirted off to the socer street ended up Almost in a the disk fliip in the truck where he's able to like get it back on the road And he just kept going. He thought it might have been a a hallucination. The D he's like, dude, I just woke up like two hours ago. this ould have been a hallucination. Yeah. Like I'm not tired Be and because that's something that I think people suggest too because I don't know if I'm sure some people have the experiences of road mirages. But it's like I used to have it all the time when I was in college. My wife She went to a school about an hour from me and I was always driving up to hang out with her. and then I'd be driving back at like one, two o'clock in the morning. And that final stretch of road was very straight. And I can't tell you how many times I thought I saw somebody like on the side of the road I'm dodging and there was just nobody there. I just was imagining it because I was so tired And so I know people talk about that as being a possibility but how is it that All these truckers are having these experiences with a very large black dog You would think that if you're going to have a road mirage because you're tired and stuff, you're going to see something that's more practically in front in the front of your mind like, hey, don't hit pedestrians. not there's a giant not a black Tiny dog a giant black dog. like All these truckers are saying they're seeing this. Yeah there's too many people saying or seeing the same thing for there not to be something there. Yeah. That's what I feel like too But maybe maybe maybe I maybe I just want to maybe I just want to believe it. So it's just You know, But u some our well untapped source of knowledge what's going on in America, likeike what's being seen U like just was happening. L we have a we have one guy we know is And he listened to us and he's on the road. I mean, like he's one of those truck drivers. he's He'll be in Washington state then he'll be in Florida a couple of days later, like one of those Trump drivers. He's always on the go So everywhere every once a while, he stops and does like some paranormal investigation, try to get like information and stuff like that. He's been You'd be surprised when people are wing like I guess that's such a tight knit community that they keep it in Like an in house type deal talking about that kind of stuff Straight way to tell stories, what This Thiss all very interesting. No, yeah, it's absolutely interesting. And you know, I wonder how many truckers out there are doing paranormal investigations as they drive back and forth across the country. if you're into that kind of thing, it's a perfect situation because Um You know You're by yourself. How many truck drivers have dashcams set up that are catching weird UFO's in the sky and everything like that? You know what mean So I got we got a u I guess this's a shadow person Story for you So And it happened with me, my brother, the cousin who was with us in two thousand three and like four other cousins. Okay, so before we go any fther, we're gonna get into that. I love how you just referenced two thousand three. L like just so people understand I'm sitting down with these guys today and the only thing that I knew about anything was that they had something happen to them in two thousand three that we were going to be talking about. We haven't even touched on that yet because before we start recording, they're like, Oh, I saw Bigfoot. I saw this, the voodoo. We haven't even touched the voodoo yet.. it's just funny you're referencing something that like we originally got together to talk about. and there's all this other stuff too. I'm like, o, this is a gold mine. I like it All right, so u we'll get into the zero three thing soon. I'll gohead into after this one, but this one was a This one really freaked me out because we were like thirteen when this happened So we were at My cousin's house, the one we were with in zero three. there was like seven of us. We used to play summer basketball league down in Orange County And one day we were just all upstairs in one in his little brother's bedroom playing. What was a Jaguar Right? We were playing like Kill. I know. Sega Genesis Judgis one of the old game systems. I'm dating myself now But um The way to rooma set up You'd walk in, there was bunk beds like facing the door and then just some space. Everybody was sitting on space and I was sitting on one of the bunk beds Now looking out When' sitting on the bunk bate, you can look the out of the door down the steps and kind of see The foyer a little bit, right So I'm sitting there And I hear some footsteps coming up the steps As I look over And a mike What what was? I didn't see anything. I thought it was their collie because they had a mean dog named Spike and I was really scared of this dog it was their job in the picture Lassie all black Yeah, that's what that like So I thought it was their dog. So I cl I didn't see anything. I closed the door Figured nothing about it, thinking nothing about it Sit back down and start watching and play video games again. door It's open I'm like I'm like, why did that do it? I'm thinking maybe it's a draft or something Look out I hear the footsteps coming up the door coming up the steps again. sound like What is that stillill see nothing So it's an old house And I tell you the house is maybe four houses down from a cemetery All right. so we're all sitting in this house, four houses down from the cemetery. I'm hearing footsteps coming up the steps and I'm not seeing anything. So I was able to take the door handle off of the outside of the door. close it. That way It wouldn't just it just wouldn't open do it and a slam it shut. So now they're all looking at me, you're like,, what is going on? I'm like, yo, the door keeps opening. I don't know what's going on So we go back to playing video games and sure enough about a minute later, They all see it now This door creaks open. realal slow and goes about halfway open. And now we're all looking down the steps and A shadow Im was walking. like you can see its outline on the wall and it comes walking up the steps and it goes into cousin's room we were with in zero three And we all saw this This is like one o'clock in the afternoon that this happens We are urn off the game we ran out the house. we didn't go back to the house until like nine o'clock that night when his parents were back there And yeah scared me when I was younger. That kind is what got me into paran like the other paranormal stuff other than like UFO's and Bigfoot and stuff like that So Mike, what is that how you remember too Yeah, absolutely. absolutely. Like it 'cause it was so weird. Like we were just sitting there I' sitting there playing video games I noticed it too. I didn't notice when the door first opened, but when it did it the second time, that's when I started looking M, all right We actually asked my cousin also like, yo is like is anybody here Beause I remember everybody was supposed to be over at myramother' house because we were supposed to be having a barbecue. I don't even think we were supposed to be at in the house at the time We were We snuck down there to go play video games. You' like, no, no one's here Noice here. You seen that shadow come up. My cousin, it went into my cousin's room. He didn't sleep in his room for a month because of that Mhm Uh yeah. so that was So James, you said that that was like the event that kind of got your gears turning towards paranormal type stuff Was that for you too, Mike or what Oh No, it did make me uneasy seeing that, but I don't think it like pushed me into the paranormal. likeike that. I didn't really get into the panormal t about maybe Three years ago. Everything else was like for me was mostly like like cryptidage and like I'm a big UFO guy and like a UFO conspiracy and stuff like that. Sos why I was kind of in that the whole looking in the paranormal just came across in like the last What three and a half years ' I've been hading a lot of strange A lot of strange happen in the last like three years so Well, u to get into why Like we're identical twins to get into why he's Eiencing more stuff now U backack in twenty eighteen, he got leegionaires And he went septic U so one morning one morning I went over to his house and I saw him and he looked delarious. so I called an ambulance, they brought him up to the house.'s like, you know,llk guy that you got him up here in time because he was turning septic. So he ended up going down they ended up flying him to Westchester and he spent like three months in Westchester I don't know if you know what an Echmo machine is. My machine is like a giant dialys Giant dialysis machine that runs like twenty four seven and they stick. stick it in your neck. so it just filters filters your blood, twenty four hours a day So he was going through this and now The reasons that I think He's experienced a lot more paranormal stuff like that in the last three years is because He was closer to the veil than I've been because at one point, they were like I was I was at work waiting for them like give me an update. They called me and said, youo, you need to come You need to get here and come say your goodbyes And I was like, what? So I think the reason he's noticed the increase in paranormal around him is because he was that he was so close to a veil at one point, you know what I mean? So they might have They might have attached itself to them or something like that because I don't I don't have the I don't see the same stuff he does have the same experiences at my house that he does. Like last year, he had like a seven foot tall black shadow standing standing in his kitchen staring at him U Iess like It felt like sleep paralysis, but like I was laying in bed I was sleeping like I was sleep, but I even th the feeling when something calls into the bed with you Wh felt something crawl on top of me And I couldn' move. so I'm trying to force myself awayight, trying to force myself awayight. Finally my eyes open. there's nothing there I right, that was that was kind of strange Fall back asleep, it happens again Like immediately Wake up By this time it's like six thirty in the morning the sun shin and didn't really see anything laying in bed the next night And the way I had my chair position, it was on an angle My TV straight ahead of me. I'm looking at the TV and not the corner of my eye, I see my chair shift about six inches That kind of freaked me out. And the eight foot tall sh seven eight foot tall shadow thing that I seen It's like maybe two o'clock in the morning, the way my hallway was set up If you walk out of my bathroom, you turn to your right The kitchen straight ahead and there's like a light over the sink well, a window over the sink that has a street light right behind it. So you could see right through the street. like see through the window to the street I walk out the bathroom and look to the right I see a figure stand there. I'm like So was I shook her off. So stand, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to bed my refrigerator at the time was probably six and a half feet It soers were at the top of my refrigerator And then I have the incident that happened a few months ago. this was right after I met the u The voodoo guy, the voodu Very nice guy, but I'm not in and out or whatever So I'm laying in bed one night Prob like two o'lock in the morning And I feel something grab me by my by my ankle And you gank my leg Yake my leg and try to pull me off the bed immediately woke me up start to bring didn't happen again But that one made me really reallyally nervous because I'm like, okay Thereike something is like Something just happened. Some really just tryed to yank you something physically grabbed you But then I've had like All right so on my desk I have like a bunch of like three D printed objects I've done and stuff like that. and We doing a stream one night and I just happen to have the camera pointing out at my desk and people were seeing stuff On my desk moving around doing the live stream. The figure the figures were like turning ever so slightly, like paint bottles were turning and stuff like that. It was called throughuring stream yeah. Really? Yeah Is is that is that still up We don't take down any of our streams. All our streams are still up om I think of myself screenshots Yeah, send me the link and like where it happens at and I'll add that link to the description so people can check that out and could show the. Now. was what was strange about that is like it was happening during a live of stream. So I was like, okay you know what I'm going to do I'm going to set Th three D prints are in a certain way, so I know how they are. I took pictures of it. I said, If these things are moved in the morning, when I wake up, I will take pictures immediately and send them Sure enough They were shifted, like major shifted he sent me pictures. Yeah So Let me ask you this. James, you brought this up, Mike, I want your opinion on it though. So you almost die James suggested that you were close to the veil What first of all, do you feel the same way? but Do me ask you that. Yeahah let me ask you, do you feel that way about it Uh Yeah Yeah I really don't remember I really don't remember much. from when they had me under but It's really very hard to explain like the dream, some of the wild dreams I was having. And One of the dreams I had that was that was posant thing was being in like an orb type deal like with plastic all around me. like it was very strange and I constantly kept having this stream. For what reason I have no idea And I kind of think that was maybe because at one point, like he had swelled up. like if you touched him like that, you would leave a finger imprint in him Dad. when he came to He was he was he was like out for like two and a half months before he came to. When he came to, he woke up and he was strapped to the bed because while while he was out, he would try to yank out his own own tubes and everything like that Oh ye, I thought I was in an scene asym And I had to that's had to explained to him what was going on because he from I don't know how long he had been sick up until the point where I saw him sitting on the couch looking like that You know what I mean? So It coulda be you got It could have been in his system for God knows how long. but He's definitely had due to that, I definitely think he's had more paranormal experiences than me. And due to that, I think the no We're going to sayg way into zero three He's got an object look at his foot. Oh, sorry Okay stop, stop, stop, don'. see. He's got an object in his foot. All right everybody stop right there. I'm not going to transition yet. No, I am I just want to ask you though, because Do you feel like becausecause you got close let's just say it like this, because you got close to the veil, do you feel like that you're able to see things you couldn't see before or do you feel like thingsings are coming looking for you because you left where you were and you left it like almost like a trace, like a trail. like you came back and it's like, okay, let's follow them Like have you ever thought about that? Yes, I have and yes, it's the ladatter where I believe that I was so close to it that something might have picked the bomb and fll I don't know what it is, but like It doesn't happen very often, but like every couple of months, something strange happens Like it might be subtle things like certain things being moved, or it might be something major like something crawling on top of me or yanking me off my bed or You know eight foot tall shadow or white? U He's seen whackros fly around me He's very strange, man But yes I do believe that something possibly followed me And I remember I was talking to a gentleman like who had a near death experience. So I'm talking to him, like he remembers what happened to him during his near death experience So I'm talking to them asking questions and I ask my wife, do you You remember The what the devils sound are like And he said, Yeahah And he's like, you know, I completely forgot about that So I keep talking keep talking for a few more minutes. We get off, get off the chat or whatever Two minutes after that, like I'm sitting in my room it's springtime It feels like I just get a cold chill come over me. Like I'm standing outside in five degree weather in a jersey of shorts My my jaw starts Like like you know where you're so cold your jaw starts chattering Like I was that cold for about ten minutes. right after talking to this guy about a near death experience. So Do you think that that That itself was brought on from maybe almost like a It, it's weird because I talked to people before that had near death experiences And like the one lady, I forget her name Jessie something. I forget. I had her on I think it' a member show she talked about Um She could Because she she she had died. and came back She was able to identify, like she there was like a feeling, like she knew O people like like she could be in the presence of somebody who had a near death experience and she knew that they were like her If you think it was something like that, like because you were around that person, like it was like I don't know world's coming together almost. U I think it was more I think was more just just bringing up the topic It kind of felt like it should have been talked about. So whatever It was basically manifested itself and it was like, yo Mum's word on this stop wring it up. Jheers I'm glad you're talking now my friend B If let me know if anything bonkers happens just from talking about it. Does that happen? likeike when you talk about it does weird things happen U yeah, every once in a while Okay, well, I'll let you know if something happens behind you. To him th To him though nothing or something'd have to have I'd have to have my camera pointed out on my desk for you to see that So That's an interesting thing too, and this might be a good seway into two thousand three becausecause you guys are identical twins and, you know, you hear stories from people that are twins and how it it's just it's different. Like for you guys, your life is normal. You don't know what it's like not to have a twin. Like we're weird. We're different. I'm different. but you hear people talk about how, you know, there's a special connection and bond between twins and you say that James, you said that nothing happened to you. I'd be interested. maybe as time goes on, if you start seeing parallels happening and stuff, like almost like, you know, o, that guy looks like Mike, but he's not. They trick me. I'll tell you this Um, The morning I found him. Right? I was on my way home from UPS and thing said Go check our mic. Something did something told me go check on your brother and see if he's okay And when I walked in the house, he was Look delars So yeah, d Now the whole that whole u If I hit you or your brother hit feel it type thing, I think that's complete bull. It's never I've never felt that. Everybody's like, o, if I hit him, are you gonna feel it? No, I think that's bull. I don't It might be that way for some people, but it's not like that for us. Listen, that only happens if you're a Siamese studan. that's the only time that's gonna to happen. two three Exactly So in two thousand three, I I don't know how much if you guys are around my age or what, but I just to set the ste here for when this happened to you guys I was graduating high school U I we'll be thirty nine in we'll be thirty nine in June Okay, so we're around the same age Um And I always it's like That that year, LeBron James graduated high school was same class and I was like You know LeBron James is going to be the best player ever and now he's like, you know, bouet society stuff. So But people don't know about the Bou society. I'll go down that rab a whole some other time. But So that when I'm graduating high school You guys had a wild experience and if I remember correctly, it wasn't just was it just you too or was it other people as well. We had our We had a cousin with us And u this cousin is We was born in April we' born June so's only like or three months older than us, but we've always been super close and So you know, I'll I'll get that I'm just going to get into it because this rabbit hole has gotten deeper over the last year or two So This is two It's back in two thousand three and I at the time, I had a now my car played a huge, huge part in this. I had a nineteen ninety Honda core two door five speed So it's but it's late October and late October beginning in November. thats still still no snow on the ground, still leaves in the sky on the trees and everything So That morning, we decideed to call my cousin up and he was like, Oh, you want to come up and hang out for a little bit, play some video games stuff. And he was like, yeah, all right. So we drove down to his house which is like a twenty five minute ride down down seventeen madeade this trip, made this trip. Thousands of times in my parents car, us driving it thousands of times. twenty five minutes drive tops, right So we bring him back up here. He lives in Orange County, We come back up to Solomon County. We hang out at our house for the day Round like six hundred and forty five, we decide we're going to leave We don't actually leave the house until closer to seven Now, like I said, it's a twenty five minute drive to my cousin's house from my house So we get on seventeen I'm shaking a little bit. I start shaking every time I toes We get on seventeen And we're traveling down seventeen. Now I'm doing like seventy seventy five. And we get to this area called Wertsboro And when we get to Wsboro, Um when you get to the top of Wwardsboro Mountain, you have A rock face on this side on your left hand side, a rock face on your right hand side and then like an overpass once you get over to overpass, once you get past the overpass, you start start going downhill into Orange Cny And after you get when you start going downhill towards Orange County on the highway. The rock face disappears and you can look off to your left and it's just and expand you can see for miles the skyline there Right. so I'm doing like seventy. We get past this rock face and I look off to Look off to left And I see three white lights shaped in a triangle and They're pretty pretty far spaced out. Like I said, we've traveled this road thousandousands of times. And the reason it caught my attention is because I've never seen that in that area before. So I'm like, what is this? Back to the road I'm doing like seventy Back again Tl light disappered I'm like, what G huh back at the road and I look back at the lights again Now this by this time Mike's paying attention to. He's like, yo, what are you looking at And I'm like There's three lights over there shaped in a triangle and two of them just disappeared and reappeared So now he sees it and Tony, I donon't know why. I I've since that since this happened, I've gone and distance between where I saw that light and what el and what happened after that So I see the light We drive down the road and I get this urge. I'm like, I have to see this thing I need to see this So we travel we continue to drive down the highway And I'm horrible with exit numbers, but I can tell you the exit name. We got off the Fair Oaks Eit. Fair Oaks, New York. If you want to look it up, you can find exactly where it is. We got off the Fair Oaks Eit pull off the exit. you get to the end of the exit and you can make a left, right? And it'll put you past a little go a little gas station and then you make another left and it takes you over on overpass over the highway So I do all this. Now mind you, I'm driving. He's in the passenger seat and my cousin's in the back seat time I'm not going to lie. I was pretty fat. I was like three hundred pounds And my cousin was bigger than I was, and he's like six two. He's like three fifty this all plays into this So we go over the overpass and I don't know how I found this area After the overpass, he must have traveled like another half mile just on some Why need back roads? and I find the spot And when I nose in and I know you're not supposed to nose in the stuff. You're supposed to back in, right? That's what they say. back in, back in, back in I knows then. And when I nose in, it's this It's a field And on the in this field, there's a R cheese on your left. Rad trees any r right in the middle of this field is just this big ball of white light And I'm like Is this what I'm supposed to be looking at? s being stupid I turn a car off and I get out And I open the door and I'm standing there looking at it and Now Mike and my cousin are actually yelling at me like, yo, what are you doing? getet back in the car And I'm like, I'm sing like, no, I need to see this. I remember me saying, I need to see this. And then I'm watching him for a few seconds and it kindind of it hits me like I'm like, things's getting bigger I lean in the car and I'm like, No, was that thing getting bigger And then now they're really spating, get in the car now. And I'm like it's getting bigger and then It wasn't getting bigger it was coming closer to car So Now remember, I told you I Foodor manual shift car and you know how manual know you got to start a manual shift. You got to push the cs down,, put it in gear and everything like that. I remember getting back in the car And I remember putting the key in the ignition The next thing I remember after that. being on the Back road. in Fair Oaks heading like into my cousin's town And looking out of my window, seeing the that ball of white light like up in the distance like pacing us and then it broke off. So We get to my cousin's house And We we We go inside and my uncle, his dad, starts chewing us 'Ccause we said we were gonna to be there Itsing like it's supposed to be a twenty five minute ride. We left at like seven o'clock. We didn't get to the house I didn't notice it, but we I'll get to that. We walk upstair, we walk upstairs. Normally me and Mike would have hung out, played some video games, whatot But we got chewed out by his dad for being Considerably late He didn't my cousin didn't really acknowledge it He just went upstairs to his room. And me and Mike just kind of took like the tongue lashing. got back in the car and came back up here but we really didn't talk about It was kind of like a somber feeling. You knew something happened, but you didn't know what happened And So we just we just didn't talk about it on the way home And like a few days later. we We're having conversation. he's like, yo, you know we didn't get the you know we didn't get the Burger's house until like nine fifteen Unlike He's like, Yeahah, looked at the clock. We didn't get the burger sauce until like nine fifteen So front we saw this light initially betweenween seven and ten and seven fifteen on the highway And Maybe so from the position that I saw it on the highway to where I got off the exit and back and tracked into that field F miles Five miles and tell you why I went that way I really couldn't u But yeah, he was like, yo we we didn't get there until like nine fifteen. And I'm like And it's just It didn't start processing And then I'm like, that's that's not right. That's not right. And sure enough, we didn't We didn't get back there until we didn't get to his house until like nine fifteen. We u So Fast forward a few months and We have Dreams on the same night And my dream was really weird U My wife's called. There we go. But u What happened in the dream that I had And since this dream, I don't have dreams. I only have Djau now In this dream, I was taken off a transport by guys in black garb handed to two more guys in black military garb and walked into the side of a mountain on the same night Mike had a dream because I called him and I was like, yo, you wouldn't believe this dream I had. On the same night he had a dream and he told me about his dream B Mike, you want to tell him what you saw U, yeah, what I seen was All right, you know like the metal scaffold thing that has like the great bottom I was being walked down a tunnel with that on the floor The tunnel of walls were extremely smooth. L you ever see the tunnel boring systems that they talk about where it like melts the rock and makes it like glass, like a glass surface around it? That's what the ton of look like So I'm being walked down this tunnel I can't see who's standing like next to me, but I not there's two like on either side of me And at the end of his walkway, there's u a table and this weird for rest and light Like they's just coming out of this room keep going down, then when I get next to the table, that's when I wake up No, so We're not out Oh backshack here a little bit. Now I told we're my cousin's in the car with us Now, it's been twentyenty years And Initially the only thing he would tell us was that he was waking up with like weird scars and stuff. And at one point we all woke up with the same scar, same spot R. R here where your shoulder blade and the meat meets your shoulder blade. There was scars. We all had scars right there Now in my instance, it would feel Like you know how, you ever had to put puncture a nail one of your nails with like a hot needle? It would feel like that in my back. like there would be a hot needle right there and you would try to scratch it But nothing would happen and it would just it would sting for like twenty minutes and then it would dough. And this went on for like a year And u Hes also has an implante. Remember a few a little bit ago when I said, o, he's got something in his foot So I think he had something placed in him in a different spot because He went through that ECmo machine That was filtering his blood constantly It moved and went down to his foot because he's got something the size of Grain ice in his foot And And now they've got market loop The crazy part is about it where it's placed in my foot It's underneath one of my veins because I've told people about it. It wass like, well, have you thoughtought about like getting checked out getting removed. I'm like Technically, it hasn't caused me any pain and it's in just such a weird spot that I don't think I can get it removed. It's like literally underneath the vein in my foot. So it' V Size of a green race Rateful. So Like like I said, it's been This happened in zero three twenty years and my cousin refuses to talk about it Like me and me and Mike have no problem discussing this with anybody. I have no problem discussing it. My cousin has been Stonewalled. He stonewalls me about it. Like he he blames really does blame me for all this happening. which I guess is kind of my fault. Don't go chasing the lights, everybody But home Yeah, I take full blame for it. Now The reason We want him to talk is because You've got my point of view. I've heard my point of view. I've heard that I've heard Mike's point of view I have we haven't heard his point of view because he's in the back seat He's a three hundred pound dude in the back seat If we all got taken How he had to have seen more You you know what I mean? Beuse they had to have drug him out of this out of the seat. out of the car because it's a two door and he was wighty. So He hasn't talked about it and he hasn't he's only recently started warming of ke idea. And that's only because last year We did we were supposed to do an interview with a friend, but he had an issue. So we ended up getting into getting into what happened to us and We brought down a remote viewer And The remote viewer We we've we've had dealings with him before and he's really reallyally accurate and So we start explaining, start walking him through What happened And Ty for twenty years, I was okay thinking it was. It was random The remote reiewed that he revealed that it wasn't random It was almost like a setup They wanted us there because what he revealed I actually was doinguring a liveestream. I actually Michael tell you, dude, I went stonewall and I I turn the stream off like I couldn't I really had a hard time processing finding out that It was Rndom So What he told us was that That light was kind of like a Venus fly trap trying to get our attention And when they had our attention What he saw was that What he told us was that they had whatever these things were They had Mike and myself We sat on a couple of benches, like wherever we were And they were having like a full on back and forth conversation with us and my cousin off corner They wanted nothing to do with him And he when he started revealing that stuff to us, it didn't well with me at all and it's still He was actually able to remote view the light and he said with his perception that the light was so bright 're seeing it, it left like He was seeing white spots in his eyes for about ten minutes after this conversation. That's how bright The light was that he seen So Yeah, u Yeah. So I I don't I don't know what the make of this been and like I was okay. Like I said, I was okay thinking Oh that random UFL docor. And people have often asked Like when we talk about it's like, do you guys want to go do think about doing like hypnotic regression or anything like that? I've given it some thought and I've listened to those Betty and Barney Hill tapes No ' some terrifying stuff And I just I don't know, man. U Yes Tke. It happened not too far from Pine Bush. You you ever hear Pine Bush New Yor Pimbush, New York is like the UFO capital of of New York. They have the Pine Bush UFO Festival thereF every is coast tell the truth I I've actually met Travis Walton there like u Yeah, I just I don't don't know what So I don't know what drove me to follow and go find that light. And that's the part that I guess the part that perturbs me so much Because like I said, I've seen UFOs my whole life. Oh yeah, we've seen them we've had numerous UFO sitings where we've been with like seven people who've seen them And I've never once decided to go chase a light And We the two hours Having two hours taken away from you and not knowing happen in those two hours That's It's terrifying when you sit down and you really You really think about it And I just I regret following that like You know what I mean? I regret making that decision on that night because it put peopleople I love in a position that They should have never been it You know what I mean? Like So I do take I do own responsibility for that. It's just I guess I guess it was just me being super curious about what this thing could be having like because like I said, my dad was into UFO's when we were little and that kind of played a part in and then you see Holy crappers some lights in the sky that I've never seen before I don't know, man. I just I constantly apologize to my cousin about because he's still very salty Yeah, she's still heing so much that Why he'll curse me out on a rep file I mean, the way you're describing things, if it wasn't random and it was a targeted thing, I mean, And all honestly in this James, it it's As somebody who's owning The situation, I wouldn't expect you to come out and say this, so I'll say it. and you can disagree or agree, but it does sound like maybe you wouldn't even had an option of making a decision you follow that light Uh if you guys are being targeted, if you were being targeted for whatever reason. I mean, everybody that's listening us right now is saying it's because they're twins. maybe. Uh, but maybe that's a bloodline thing. mayaybe there's there's probably there could be tons of different reasons But if you were being targeted, there's a very real possibility that you weren't in your right mind to begin with and you were being drawn to it, not necessarily curiosity got to you Um, the So we have technology today that does voice to skull technology. People say they hear voices in their head and some people really do hear voices in their head because they're just not mentally there. but some people are hearing voices in their head because we have technology that is being those voices are being placed there. U if we have that technology, whether you think your experiences that you guys had that day was ET or human or mix of both, if humans have that technology. I mean, there's there's a good chance that there's greater technology at play as well that is mind control. We know that the I know just been getting to know you guys before we start recording stuff, we know that there's a mass amount of mind control being implemented in the global population right now U So who's to say that there isn't a piece of technology that does a very similar thing to get you to do something that you typically maybe wouldn't have done. The fact that you noticed the lights to begin with. I mean, the very moment before you notice the lights, they might have engaged you to get you to notice the lights. It's just something that is a possible thing in my mind Now lets me make this clear guys. I didn't hear any voices telling me to follow the light. It was more of a to describe it, like L last year, I actually took and drove that distance and clocked how far it was that And It was it It was like It was kind of like follow me comeome it was like, come follow me without saying it. I don't know how else to describe it And It was just a sensation like you need to go see this You need to see this up until the point where I was standing outside the car with the ignition off. watching this thing come closer to the car And Andry And recently I found out from my cousin He' actually started to talk a little more about that We all basically woke up in different positions down the road . When I tell you I came to Dving, I came to behind the wheel, driving my car, looking out my window and then He came to like a mile Ole down the road Cousin He didn't come to he didn't like snap out of it until we were almost like a hundred yards away from his house And that's four miles from where we saw the light from like where we where I where I woke up driving car So does he was it one of those things where when when you guys came to, were you conscious enough in that moment to notice that he wasn't all with it? or is that something that he's revealing to you guys now Some he's just told us now because like like I said I when I came I guess when I came to I was behind. I was driving Behind the wheel of my car. driving looking out the window Like I said, I don't it was a manual car. I don't remember pushing clutch. I don't remember putting the gear in reverse. I don't remember backing up. I don't remember driving that half mile down these back roads going back over the overpass. I don't remember any of that dude don't and it's frustrating U stup Yeah, just to wake up Driving your car Oh. Oh I just I want to know why U, Like I said, I was okay thinking it was random C find out it's not right. Well with everything that the remote viewer was able to reveal from us, he believed that it was more a A mixed deal with it was ext he seen extraterrestrials, but he also seen people with military cbs but he couldn't really make out Garb was So All right. with that idea now, I don't have a map in front of me But I think there's probably a good chance that New York state has I a deep underground military base somewhere, probably in the Adironds or something like that. How far are you from any kind of mountain system like the Adirondack? We're at the foothills of Caskills. Like the casces is the is the foothills of the Aad Rhondox So we're we're we're sitting in the foothills of cat skills and Yeah, and it's Yeah, that's I don't know, man.m What was the what Mike, what was your situation like when this happened? So James referenced his weight Were you around the same side? No I was probably att the time I was probably This one maybe one hundred and ninety five, two hundred pounds Okay. All right, so totally opposite end of the spectrum there Um I want to know why too. Like I'm trying to like try to figure out why why this happened and you know What could be the reason like Is there a marker on you guys? It would suggested that maybe it was like we were as a control becausecause we all three of us we do have kind of like the same DNA in us, like from our parents, like My our mother and his his father, brother and sister You know what I mean? So They might have been like, okay, so how can you get twins out of these memies. Like I just I don't know What that side of the family, we are the only set of twins and my My mom had thirteen brothers and sisters and we're the only set of twins out everybody Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. I don't know. And so this is the what you guys are remembering. Now let's go let's go to the uh the chip idea. U Now it I don't know if peopleeople have a hard time fathoming something moving throughout your body like that, but it's absolutely possible Uh I I actually I hope not, I hope not. But I need to go to a specialist an ear specialist because kind of like my job to listen and I'm starting to lose my hearing in my right ear And I'm also hearing this vibration sound. And u my wife brought up to me that uh There is this one person not too long ago that she read an article online They lost their contact in their eye and over a long period of time it moved through their sinuses into their ear and they w up getting pulled out of their ear And And I I lost my contact in my eye about a year and a half ago and I still haven't gotten it out. and I don't know where it is in my body. so I'm starting to get concerned that I might be in my ear here at this point and And I'm kind of hoping it is that way it's an easy fix. Just pull that sucker out, you know, but So with the idea of something moving throughout your body, it's definitely possible. It doesn't seem logical. It's not because it's like how is that even possible? it's especially if you have something pushing the blood throughout your body, that makes sense that it would move and you'd have it there. now. but on that note You have something in your foot, but James, do you have any bump or something that you know of other than the scar that would say that you have something in your body? Yes I have something size of a BB in my right shin Like I've taken video of it. like u There's a gentleman named Seaan Graham that we associate with. Yeah, I sent him the video. like I when I just I didn't even notice. I was sitting there putting lototion on one morning is that? Touch it. And sure enough, it's It's like a little BB underneath the in my shin that you can move around and maneuver and everything like that. Wow. And so it's not like It's not attached to you. It's something that's floating inside It hasn't moved in a year. fromom the year I noticed itself it must be attached like some muscle tennds or omething there because I can I can feel it right now D't rub my should andt feel it. Wow That's interesting. I remember the first time I showed my brother the thing of my foot, I was on the phone talking to somebody. I was like, hey, come here, let's feel this real quick E, what does that feel like? It feels like a baby Later Where how did that come from It completely freaked them out. I thought I told them about it. But I guess I never kn Oh you did not No, you did not. What kind of twins do I have here? You guys are supposed to like telepathic thinking and all this woo woo stuff. And you guys are just like, that stuff's not It I don't think that telepathy between twins I don't think that is I mean, you might get a sick open get a You might get a sense like something's off, but I don't think the whole I don't think that works But u yeah But yeah, my cousin Now After he's had his kids are older than mine And there's been my kids haven't really told me like anything weird When his were younger H his daughter would used to say that about how she termed it. The little people would mess with her fingers at night and people. Yeah They would mess with her fingers at night and both of his daughters would say that Like I Kids never say anything, so I don't know and I've never really like asked them if they She guys' feel anything weird or anything at night so Yeah, and I kind of think that's one of the reasons why clammed up. because of his kids And he's only recently in like last two weeks started to want to talk about it And he's still very very stand off stand offish about So you guys are kind of like in the middle of dealing with this as far as like, I mean, it happened twenty years ago, but you're still trying to uncover answers and you're thinking it through still. I mean, this is not like a conclusive thing. likeike here's what happened to us. This is why it happened case closeed. You guys are still in this progress where you're trying to figure it out. We're We're finding out that we just found another cousin that we've We really haven't talked to him in like twenty years because he moved down to Florida But he's been having the same experiences down there. He said we linked up and the first thing he sent us was this video. of um it was outside his job. It was triangle You sent us a video and a picture that were taking a year apart And he's been experiencing the same stuff that we've been experiencing. We just never knew about it because he was down in Florida And come to find out that His father There's something a little weird about his dad Um They did three of those ancestry d. com DNA searches on him All three of those came back inconclusive All I have never heard of that. All three of them came back inconclusive And his dad would used to talk about they put something between his finger and his thumb like right here and uh, There was numer there was a few. Inces a few stories that he told us that happened to him when he was younger One one evening my cousin that lives down in Florida, his dad when they lived up here When he was younger, they were on their way to the lake And they saw being made of light. And they were like, yeo, we need to being little little being a little gheto kids like, let's go catch it. rightight? So they ran back to the house to get their flat went back to the house to get their u nets came back and when they got back, it wasn't gone, but they saw a craft lift like maybe fifty yards away, a small little craft lift off and take off into the sky We've we've been finding out So many different stories regarding our family, including Our father's side of the family, An instance that happened to my dad is One night he was He was where he used to work at what they call an the infirmary and He had to have his father come pick him up because he said he saw Grays coming through the wall for him And he would not leave that office until his dad came and got him Um, Then he woke one night, my mother told me that he woke up screaming that they were coming to get him Like it's the stuff we've been finding out is so weird like my mom had ons of Whitley Streber books Like the the secret school books Um books on Bermuda Triangle Steve a whole bunch of All right. So wes cassets that used to deal with like UFO experiences and paranormal stuff like that So in It's gonna get a little weird here now. All right. So remember in the beginning of show rememember in the beginning of the show when I was talking when we were talking about the woman whose son had the dog man experience? So I've had a conversation was her about this Now her daughter is also pretty talented. They don't she don't she doesn't like to put her daughter out there with the stuff though They They like us. so they win They went and looked it up. And They So What they saw was that Our mother was trying to does from something Right What she said was thatad. someomebody in the family had an ability and that they were more or less chastised for it. And He didn't want that happening to us That's the Its like I said, man, it's so weird. what's going on. We're still finding out so much about our weird family And I'm starting to think that maybe that went on with our family before we were born, stuff going on might have played a part in what happened to us in zero three. because You got the three Both sides like I don't know But like I said, I'm still trying to work this whole I'm just trying to work this out and It hurts my head every time I think about it It really does. Just try to fathom Why The who, the what U They' also the about the whole situation. Oh o Uh, yeah, I mean, you went in a direction that I, uh that I was kind of thinking too. and it's it's one of those things where It seems like there's something in the lineage Uh, at least off the cuff. I mean, it just seems like there's something That's making your' bloodline targeted U And the more I think the more people that you guys get within the family talking, I think the more you're going to hear similar things happening to people. U I think you need to stop with the guilt stuff. I really don't think I really don't think it's your fault H It's this is something that's probably happened to a lot of people in your family that aren't even talking about the stuff And don't assume that people in your family know what you're doing and stuff as far as your YouTube channel because I just found out that there's some people in my family that didn't know what I was doing. I've been doing for six years and it's just You know, so u I don't know. this this is something that Um I just have so I feel like there's just so many unanswered things and I know you guys feel the same way. Definitely. and the fact that Yeah my cousin has got into it. he's starting to starting to pqu his interest, but he still hasn't talked yet still hasn't toold us what He saw in the back seat I think that I think that's crucial to find out because I'm of the mind, like say something happens, right? and Like this happened. me and Mike are talking about it, right? But our cousin he put it out of his mind. I think if we start talking about it with him and the fact that we were in the same situation being that he took that being that he put it out of his mind for twenty years. if he really starts talking to us about this If you really starts talking to us about this, it's going start coming back in You know, we ask him actually had him let's go back and listen floodgate I actually had him go back and listen to the interview that, when we had a remote viewer on and he was listening to it and he Like he was just texting us while we were doing the show. He was getting very emotional about what he was hearing in that they cursed me out and said, yeah, I want to know he cured me out and said, yes, I need to know now. but He needs to know, but he still hasn't So I have these observations about it For me, I need to hear That I need to hear what he said what he saw and It just it hasn't happened yet and That's one of the frustrating things about it U, because you can't They're not going to be able to put this puzzle together if we don't have all the pieces And That's a major piece that's missing Like I said, I've heard ve I've got Mike's side. Mike's heard my side. There's another piece to this triangle that's missing he hasn't talked yet and It's H back man, I'm getting a little emotionary here thinking.' it's It's frustrating, but you know what? I've been I've been choppping at him So for a while now. So one day he comes in my job And I'm like, uh yeah, yo, so when are you gonna to talk And you know, when you ask somebody a question, they get that look on their face like they want to like they're just thinking like, damn, should I He had that look in his face. That's when I knew I had him Anden I told him about what happened with the Rov view. He's like, All right, send me the link to episode So he was listening to it now Pretty sure I want to say I'm seventy five percent sure he's willing to talk, but I just have to narrow him down a little bit more to like actually set a date where we can like meet up and just listen to what he remembers because I'm pretty sure he said that he tried to block it out. But going back listening to the remoteer, he was actually able to remember a few things. He hasn't told me what those things Wherere yet, b. I'm pretty sure he's almost ready to spow of beans on it. from what he can remember I think that If he's willing to do that, I think you guys need to get together in the same room do it and just hear each other out might be a very healing thing as well. because he's like you said, James, he's like there's a missing missing piece If if he starts talking to stuff, I think that That might be a very healing thing for the three of you to go through since you all went through to the initial experience together Well Well with me, I'll come to the conclusion like you know what? It happened Okay, I would like to I would like to know more about the situation, butm It doesn't I don't lose sleep over it That might be a bad way to say it, but like that happened. Now we just got to try to get the details and the facts and try to put together the pieces But it is. And personally, I believe that It it's affecting my brother and my cousin a little more is because they have children. This stuff follows in the lineage Their kids are going to have to deal with it or experience something. That's that's That's one. thing I am worried about This happening to this happening to my kids I see what it I seeen what it's done to my cousin I saw what it did to me for like the first A couple of years That happened and I don't want my kids to go through that want my kids to be subject to Whatever the hell they did You know what I mean? Like If if I could rewind twentyw years. I had have just kept on highway. And I say that truthfully, I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I would I would have kept driving. I would not have got off that road Um I can understand that. I mean, with my kids, I look at my kids and especially my son because he looks so much like I did And u trying just I mean, not on this stuff. But like just in general, like I've had these ideas where I've tried to prevent my son from going through what I went through as a kid And it kind of breaks my heart when I see him going through some things that, you know, emotionally I can connect with. I know how I felt, you know, thirty years ago And u It kind of breaks your heart and it breaks your heart also as a parent to know that this stuff aside You know when you're sitting there and you're thinking about watching your kids grow up, you know they're going to go through heartache and you want to protect them from that. whether it's a girl that breaks their heart or you know, you passing away. And and them having to go through that you know there's going to be heartache in that child's life and you just want to protect them from it. So when you're going through this, I can' only imagine what you're feeling. Like how do you How can you Kids from the supernatural. I don't just think you can. And ways Heavy on me Like you know what I mean? I don't want them going the same thing. I don't want them experiencing the same thing. I don't want them waking up And saying the same thing that their cousin said that people that little things were in their room messing with them at night It's just Why? What was the purpose of this? And we were also told by individual that we trust very much that we are still being followed and tracked. to this day. I would The description was the description That was given of these things was they said they look like the ant people he said the fly the person that took notice to Yeah the fly people sorry. And the reason that is the description of because Talking to this thing is like talking to. a child and that was the best way they could describe it They said Why people because of the The eyes U I don't know what the hell sorry, I don't know what it was. I don't know. I just know it was a ball away light and I'm missing some time and I'm starting to get really, really, really pissed off about it Be every week I'm finding out new stuff and It's just L Tony, you wantan to see a genuine reaction, man? I'll send you a link to that show we did, dude I shut it down. I couldn't take it anymore and It's just because I feel it's my fault It is, like, I I know everybody's, Oh, you're not guilty about it because blah bl I was the one driving a car You know what I mean? Like That was the I was I was the one driving the car. I was the one that Turned the car off those weren't it. gotot out of the car A My own little Travis Walton experience, I guess. And I've apologized to Bass and my cousin or to Mike and my cousin about this. J's just I't I don't know what to. You can't think of it as your phone because if it was set up that it was purposely done It it doesn't matter It doesn't matter. It's been twenty years, but I'll beat yourself up about it I'm just happy now we're getting information Yeah, for sure. I I mean, You want answers, you're moving in the right direction Uh Mike when that night happened and he follows the light A what point did you start feeling like We need to get out here. Like you were saying we need to leave, but at what point where did the curiosity die off? and it's like, okay, we need to roll So now we when he first noticed the like, I'm still looking at the road keep seeing him like look over t left. So it kind of caught my attention. I'm like, all right, what's he looking at I look coolre re see to late That's Shane, watching for a couple of minutes. So then we end up going down the road. Now I see him put on the blinker to get off the exit. And I'm like, what are you doing I want to see, I want to see. What are you doing Oh let's see. All right, go ahead. I said go ahead So we get off the eggs, we go down the road. Park. Now we've been down this road like within like the last two or three years that we've seen this. The whole area is built up now. L there's houses on both ses of roads. There's no longer woods there where it happened I'm sitting in the car. He gets out I'm seeing this bright light come from right I'm watching it wa Heike what the hell is that And he leans in the car says, Yo, do you see this? It looks like it's getting brighter. And I start yelling at him, getting the car, getting the car is coming towards us That's why it wass getting brighter Kep yelling at him, keep yelling at him. He eventually gets in a car, but then I don't remember anything after that until I woke up maybe Mhm two or three miles down the road but it's distinctly Remember seeing the white light and it It kind of reminded me of being like a I know it's a cliche term, but like a deer in headlights Like how people down the swamps spotlight frogs and they grab them. That's that's kind of what that's kind of the impression that I got from it That's the that's actually probably a good way to describe it because U What the heck are they doing out there? My Lord. Sometimes I wish I had my own building and not just rentning an office space. I don't know if people could hear that, but holy crap, loud banging The deer and the headlight look, uh That's the because I mean, deer. It's like they're hypnotized by the light And it's like you know, and so that goes back to what I was saying earlier. Um You might have I'm going say I'm going to say like this because I can't help myself. I got I just got to take the opportunity to say, you were blinded by the light. okay? Like like you just were like I mean, you look out the window, you see the light and all of a sudden clarity is gone and you're now u doing what you're supposed to do according to that, whatever it was, not by what your normal state of mind would be. James you're Your reaction of saying, I want to follow this light, I want to go check it out. Is that a normal reaction? Are you typically a curiosity person that is driven by curiosity Mm No Like, um Yeah, no. No, I'm not to want to go follow stuff. I'm not to go one to go lookingking for stuff. Never had, Rud Didn't do it before haaven't done it since So it's outside your character You got you got. So Like if I see like if I see something in the sky, I'm not going to be like, oh, I need to let's go see where that thing lives. I'm no going be like, oh, all right, that's That's weird But For that instance for it I don't However long however long it took from us I needed to see that like. That's all I can that's the best way I can say. It was It was a need I don't know I don't know any other way to describe it Well, you know what's strange on the flip side is that like some people wish to have these kind kind of encounters And then there's some people that that it happens to them and they just This if lifeife chang, care for what you wish for. Careful what you was for Um Um Yes. Like I said, if I could I go back twenty years, I wouldn't I would have kept driving down the road, I wouldn't have stopp I probably wouldn't even look out the damn window Honestly. But Well, you're here now Yeah, it brings us to this point we're talking about brings us to the point where we're talking about UFO's and Bigfoot and cryptids and Everything else. I guess it's Some goods come out of it. I don't know So ts like rain after and experiencing time Right after the experience, we like, I mean, we deep dived on ra the rabbit hole of UFOs, aliens, conspiracies. I mean D die for years into this sub. An anything, anything regarding like military, UFOs, underground bases, anything along those lines. we just justust did it Gobbled it all up And like I said, this is in the early two thousands. A lot of this information that you that we researched back then, you can't find nowadays. likeike it. Yeah, It's almost like it's being censored Like like you remember you're old enough. You've heard of the Montaalk project Right? Oh yeah the experiments and mind control and everything like. What happens when you Google search a Mind talkalk project right now? You get a million links for stranger thingsings Yeah, that information you're looking for contontrolled Sy ops But yeah no, I's That's are missings That's our missing time story that we're still getting more information now of going twenty years on That's wild Yeah, I I think you guys should keep poking around if you if you want the answers. It sounds like you guys do I And and I had a weird missing time experience when I was in high school It wasn't anything UFO related, I don't think. I and I think I've said it on the show before briefly we went to the basketball courts to play basketball and I remember Like I had like an hour And I had it be done an hour And we played u Probably played to twenty one back then Yeah I think it was up to twenty one And We played one game And when that game was over, we were well past an hour And I was like That's impossible boy can shoot Like what was going on here? L I was like was like, how am I out of time already? And I remember talking to the guys about. I'm like, yo, like this is weird. and none of them Mning to talk about. none of them Like I don't know some of them might thought it was weird and they' just like, whatever stuff likeike nobody seemed to think it was weird. like I thought it was weird And u And but that's the only's that's my little missing time story. Nothing ever came of it. I don't know. Like I I, uh You guys, what you guys went through is stuff, I think there's probably answers out there to uncover if you keep digging This the Like I said, don there's a lot of there's a few other things that transpired after this experience like waking up in different clothes That's happened to us numerous times. Waking up in each other's clothes Pose on backwards U Yeah how long after? L is it still going on or it happen just shortly after This happened this happened for a few years after the after that sighting. It hasn't really nothing like that's happened lately or in like last five, ten years. but then again, I work so much and I'm like when I'm tired, I'm tired. So I just I completely oblivious to If anything fishy going on now Oh And that more so happened like, u Around that time that just happened, mee him like we were sharing a room. so That explains like why that would happen. But right now we live I wouldn't robably like maybe a ten minute walk from his house. I don't think the happen right now per se But every once in a while, I do wake up with like my shirt on backwards or like my paama pants on backwards or something like that Wow Okay So that is an obvious sign that you guys are still having an ongoing situation here. They better hope I don't wake up in the middle of it You probably have, you just don't remember it Oh if I'm sorry I' supped to say something comforting. I'm trying to think could that have possibly been my sleep paralis Sleep paralysis episode like that have played a part in that because but it was so strange because I felt something Crawling on me not standing next to me. I'm still turns So just I'm okay talking about it. like I seem like I'm okay talking about it, but it's just when I actually just sit down and start wrapping my mind around it and the whole the whole situation it's just This is very perturbic to say the least. see 're almost thirty nine years old. I can account for About ninety eight percent of the time I've spent on this earth except for that two hours. And I don't have any an I don't I'm not getting an answer that I want for that And then it'll probably never get an answer because Oh no, you can get your answer. I'm not I'm not doing hypnotic regression. It's not going to happen once your, so that's the best way to get it Well God you, might, why don't you do it? becausecause I've already tell then it happened. No you're the one that wants to tell me to do it. because you're the one that wants to deep dive into the information and like see what really happened. I'm to the point where it's like, okay, it happened Because dude, I was like being noted alone, but like it happened. Like yes, I would like to know information want to happening so it's gonna have nightmares for me the rest of my life. Absolutely not. When you find listen, when you find out you've been manipulated It's a whole different thing When you find when you think something's just random and then you find out, oh, you were guided by a mysterious hand It kind of pisses you off a little bit And I was haing the car with you I know, but you weren't the one driving It comes down to the guilt. It comes down to the guilt for you, James. It you just keep you keep coming back down to this this that seems to be a distish distinguishing factor between the two of you they sound know about your cousin, but it seems like you're driven by the guilt of the situation because you all went through because you drove over there And Mike has accepted Why is this turning into counseling time with T? First of all, this is call me the paranormal counselor Uh, but u no, seriously like I mean, it seems like Mike his perspect perspective is it happened. you know, and he's not placing blame anywhere, but because you're the one that did it. and got everybody else involved, you're carrying a weight on your shoulders that they're not carrying because they don' they're not the ones that took everybody there Um You need to forgive yourself, my friend. Itious here. I've been th a man Listen, let me fly if they let me fly one of the UFO's, I'll forgive them.. Yeah. ye. If it was a setup, you can't if it was a setup, you really can't be mad at yourself. I mean, there's nothing can't be yourself There's nothing I can really do about it, N Like I actually not everything but I think we Not anything but I think we're targeted I just I want the information I want to know why Wyow a street why Why did you Work whenatever you work to get me to follow your little ball away late What was what was the real What was the real meaning of that because It was wasas it that we saw something we weren't supposed to see? I don't know Because no, I don't think that I take it for keepep sorry I I don't know. No, I don't think so. I think it follows with what Tony says along with the lineage. Think about it, we have thirirteen aunts and uncles and we are the only set of twins out of all of our cousins I mean, like we have eight Ton of cousins We're the only set of twins on either side of the family Yeah. so yeah, that's the That's the wat abduction story That Allright, well Well, that's the show, everybody I No, seriously though, let's let's um Let's let the people know where they can find your stuff here. And I'm going to put links in the description. Send me the links to one the stuff moving in Mike's place Uh And also the that kill the Switch episode where you cut the live stream, but it's an impromptu truth on YouTube. I'll put the link in the description of that of this episode. And maybe by the time this airs, you'll have already talked to your cousin and even brought them on your show. I'm to try to nail them down for this weekend and see what we can do Thank you for having us on Jonny. It's been a pleasure have me. Thank you very much. huge fan of your show, brol Well, I wouldn't have known it the way you guys talked talked to me so much at the conference. You were moving shaking down there, man. Yeah, man.ike we didn't want to interrupt you had you had your thing going down there Oh I didn't know you guys were. I was like, oh, they they must be important guys. so I was just gonna let them go too. No we got a little ra YouTube channel. I was actually surprised when when Josh asked us come up on that panel at the end U whver where it was Kina Vault and all you guys It wass like, o Yeah, okay. yeah. Jamf will hop up there with you. We didn't really say a word up there, but it was fun anyway. Yeah, it was a good time. But yeah, anyways, guys, I appreciate you being on here And it was This was a good conversation And I just think that, you know, You got a lot of Things to work out still individually and as a group. U, but I think you're going to get answers soon Well that's sure. 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