Trump's Relationship with Past Presidents

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I think what we're seeing is an understanding that when Trump comes after you And when you respond with some backbone, You are the contrast gainer So the value is now in standing up to Trump, dismissing Trump being and taking advantage of his ridiculous meandering free associations Michael Joanna How's the weather in Can? The weather in Cannne. Well, I just got here about an hour ago. It's supposed to be the hottest June on record in the south of France. I am here for the Creative advertising Festival, which I come to every year, Michael, you have been here many years running A miserable event, Yes Is it a miserable event? I mean, let's' miserable event filled with miserable people, with often drunken miserable people, a terrible combination Um, with with, um You know, with with with not an intelligent thing said in the what is it four days over the four days that it occurs because there's our advertising people Well, I'm determined to have a good time and also that Rose is terrible I mean, it's literally, you know, which they foist upon you Who foisted Rose wine upon you, Michael Wolf? I'm hearing some post traumatic stress. You can't go anywhere at the Canes Lions advertising event without someone saying glass of roosese. hereere's Rosese, we're serving Rose. stop with the roosese, Jesus Well, you're saying that because you're comfortably ensconced Michael Wolf in the Hamptons where Aagansa is the home of Rosese out there. What's it called Summer in the bottle? Summer in the bottle from the Wolfer estate, which totally dominates Hamptons. One of the worst worst winemakers, the Wolfers I don't think that's true. I don't recently had Rose served I think you served it. ' Smmer in a bottle. That's what it's called. It's delicious and it comes in painted bottles. I think it's great. And I feel like you've got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Michael Wolf. It's summer in Amigansset. What's not to love Um summer in Aigans it is is fine. It's terrific actually U It's the CAanne advertising Festival that you've gotten me going on. Okay, well, I'm here to hustle up business. So We are going to talk about after I've reminded people to subscribe, please to the Daily Beast podcast because we are independent media and we appreciate your support. And one of the ways you show your support is by subscribing to us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. But Michael, I want to talk about the cancellled visit from the Italians. They were supposed to be coming Next week, but Georgia Maloney, the Italian prime Minister has taken great umbrage at Donald Trump. I want to talk about why is JD Vance out front u supposedly brringing home this peace agreement, the memo of understanding And well, there's a lot to discuss about what Hugh Dooceree is referring to as Grift Force O, the new plane that's finally arrived from Qatar has taken quite a long time, but not as long as it was going to take Boeing to deliver a new Air Force one. It's got Four full bathrooms, apparently, are nine other bathrooms. It's got a formal dining room, it's got a living area, it's got two big bedrooms I think it sounds fun. I want to ride on it, but it may be going to the Trump library after Trump has finished so no other president will be able to use it Where shall we begin I, you know, let's go with events because I'm curious about this to Um, Is he being set up to fail Actually Trump seems to suggest I'll blame it on JD if it doesn't go right Or is this is That's it Or is this JD inserting himself ahead of Marco Rubio because he was feeling slighted in this very public process O Is this JD, who sees that his I mean, let's look at JD. Vance as Cly among and may be the most opportunistic person in American politics or in America itself today. And so he has to his first goal I think He must think is I need to solidify the Trump relationship here I don't get to move forward in my in my upward career trajectory, which is the only thing I think about in life along with Jesus Christ occasionally Um A book promotion. L book promotion unless I can unless I have the support of Donald Trump. And in order to have the support of Donald Trump I've got to bullet on Iran Is he going to be able to deliver though on Iran? I mean, what he seems to have done so far is scolded Israel saying, you know, stop criticizing Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the only world leader who's interested in supporting Israel right now. You're a really hated country and we're going to deliver this deal for Donald Trump Well, I don't think that there's anything to deliver on I mean, that's that's the issue here. We've already there not only nothing to deliver. We've already given everything, everything away So the only the only real issue on Iran is to push it as far away as far on the back burner, as far from Donald Trump personally as it can be pushed So that's sort of JD Vance's, I think mostost immediate job. Um He's now he's now the point person. Donald Trump is not the point person This will This will naturally fade away, I think, is the hope of everyveryone conerve Comcast is delivering extraordinary experiences in live sports, through the incredible broadcast and storytelling from NBC, innovative and personalized viewing features on Xfinity and Peacock, and the country's most reliable WiFi. Viewers can enjoy every game changing play faster and more seamlessly than ever, all in a network built to deliver unforgettable moments as close to live as possible ultimate experience for the American sports fand. Learn more at Comcastcorporation. com slash sports and when Donald Trump says I'm going blame it on JD if it doesn't work What's inside his head then? Well, that's a that's you know, that's just Donald Trump are kind of a ha haa U You know, I mean, he's And there's an interesting thing about Trump and it's about Trump's humor, which is not necessarily when when you're with him not funny Um, because he's it's a it's a process of ridicule of other people I mean, and his talent for spotting the weakness of other people So I think that he sees this as as JD Vance's weakness. Um JD Vance obviously a more aligned with the MAGA no more forever wars than at this point Donald Trump himself So it's a tweak. he's always tweaking, tweaking. and with a certain amount of certain edge and a certain amount of cruelty So when you talk to people in the White House, what do they actually say about current state of the relationship with JD and the president. You, I think that they think it's I mean, there is no relationship with anyone with Donald Trump. Every relationship with Donald Trump is at best an equivocal relationship So I don't think there's any sense, o, he's falling out with JD. Oh, he doesn't like JD. sometometimes, yes, but it That is That is not qualitatively different from any else You could say the same thing about Marco Rubio. you could say the same thing about any member of the cabinet until actually the relationship goes entirely south and then they're out and then they're never mentioned again. There is no expectation and there has been an expectation that Trump will have a close relationship with any one person except himself. Well, he clearly has less of a relationship than he did have with Georgia Maloney. I mean a sort of crazy spat between the two of them after he came out and said, and I'm actually going to quote him here. I wrote the quote down because it's just so He's so crazy. She's probably happy I talk to her. I didn't have to talk to her. She begged me to take a photo with her. She wanted a photo with me so much. I wouldn't have even done it, but I felt sorry for her She has come out and said And I love it and I hope we can play this because it sounds even better in Italian.alon. Neither I nor Italy begs. And so the Italians have decided not to come on a visit. Antonio Tagani, their foreign minister was going to come to visit Washington next week. Now he's no longer coming Trump has been so absurd over this photo. and there's a sort of sexual underpinning of the whole thing which I think left people feeling really uncomfortable, obviously, including Georgia Maloney. Well, let me unpack a couple of things here. I mean, he's obviously annoyed, annoyed Um, I actually kindind of furious with the Europeans for their lack of support in the Iranian war And and she, who has been regarded as probably his most reliable supporter in Europe has also been among the European leaders to say, no. We don't want any part of this So there is this annoyance factor and with Trump, an annoyance factor almost necessarily must be expressed the idea that he can hold hold inside himself his annoyance and not let it out is Everyone around Trump long ago discounted that as a possibility If he's annoyed, he's going to express it. Um, and And he's going to express it in that kind of meandering free association. You never know what to expect the way that he does. part of what Trump Trump is Now the interesting thing, however, is that I think until recently European leaders especially would go that extra mile not to be bothered by this, to contain themselves, to hold their own irritation, things that they mature people are theoretically capable of doing and and just hope for a Better day I think that's changed and I think we're seeing this change right now. And and I think what we're seeing is an understanding that when Trump comes after you And when you respond with someb backbone, you are the contrast gainer. So the value is now in standing up to Trump, dismissing Trump being and taking advantage of the fact that that that of his ridiculous meandering free associations. I mean, and I think you have you have an interesting contrast here, especially this week because I think the key suck up in Europe to Donald Trump has been starmer in the UK. and Starmer in the UK, I think is stands a very good chance in the very near future with this recent by election of being thrown out of his job. And the fact that he has so so slavishly sucked up to Donald Trump will not help him Yeah, okay. so let me just read exactly what Maloney said, which was, after all, it's not the first time it's happened. I can only say it's a pity that he doesn't show the same determination with the enemies of the West with the enemies of the United States And of course, you're completely right about Stara. Though Starmer initially was slavishly obsequious to Donald Trump He then also didn't want to get involved in this war, wouldn't help out with the war, eventually agreed to send one ship which was going to take two weeks to get to Cyprus to sort of help out on the fringes and is being unseated sort of as we speak, possibly, by internal Labor partarty politics, but actually he's shown a bit more backbone recently against Trump by not in getting involved in the Iran war. No, I think that that's true, but his imp premature is the And he said out, I'm going to be the Trump handler. I can handle this guy. And the way I'm going to handle this guy is is is through slavish flattery. So I mean, this is only one among the many things that has branded Starmer as a weakling and incompetent Right. But as you point out, Trump doesn't even like the slavish Osequiousness. I mean, he gets bored with it and then he just wants more and he wants to to push at the person more. He seems to respect the people Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's Donald Trump, which everybody, you know, I mean, listen, I have some sympathy for the fact that they that they've, you know, Donald Trump is this is this wrench in everybody's everybody's, um life, especially in the in the life of European leaders. But having said that, it's also clear who Donald Trump is. and the and any way that you think you are going to u find an advantage with Donald Trump He will reverse that and he will screw you. So At least there's now I think among all European leaders this sense of where they stand in relation to Donald Trump and that their advantage is to be someone who will clearly say, you know, enough is enough Donald Trump. And we're live on Match Day as Doug reaches for a buffalo wing. He's got it. Oh and he's gone for a can of Pepsy too. What a finish! There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match Days deserve Pepsi Well, there was a perfect moment when they were all sitting around the G seven table And they'd brought in some extra business people because Donald Trump was sitting next to Sam Altman, the founder of Open AI or one of the founders of Open AI And Trump complained that his seat was lower than Sam's. Did you watch this Did you see this not Okay, so anybody who's ever been in a corporate meeting will recognize this moment when to your horror, you are sitting on a lower chair than anybody else and you're trying to pump the chair up to make sure that you are the same height. And Donald Trump is unable to get his chair up to the same height as Sam Altman, who's sitting to his right And so he actually insists on first of all, he pokes Sam and sort of indicates that they must swap chairs. And then someone comes to his aid and brings him another chair and he gets to sit on the higher chair because he can't figure out how to lift his own chair and the next one is brought in. but I couldn't help wondering if it was done on purpose by whoever set out the chairs around the horseshoe, the inevitable horseshoe table. No and I will say not in Donald Trump's defense, of course, but just as as a comment on And what we what we want to observe about Donald Trump is that this happens in every meeting where there are chairs and tables and people jockeyking for position. Every meeting of every of leaders of of either either people in high government office or corporate leaderships anywhere. This is the nature of theseese kinds of meetings with these kinds of people who are jockeying for advantage. So I'm just saying that Donald Trump, what happened to Donald Trump is what happen what might happen in any meeting not involving Donald Trump. Oh right. Yeah, in any meeting in corporate America. Yes, I've seen this sort of play out numerous times. There was also someonero jocking also these chairs don't work very They really don't work. I never get mean they they c they cost an enormous amount of money these chairs and they never work They never work. It's true. So Another person that actually has surprisingly not been as much in the headlines as we would have expected is Pete Hegsf. He was very much in evidence at the beginning of the war. you'll remember, he was giving all those press conferences with Dan Kaine. He's the four star general running operations in Iran, and the two of them were constantly giving press conferences and then that suddenly stopped They just stopped giving press conferences. And I think Pete Hagseith, missing the limelight in April came out on the side of your friend being slightly anti vac for people in the military and saying that it was completely unnecessary for them to have a flu vaccine, which the military has mandated for people. Can we play that tape? Under President Trump, the Word Department continues to take decisive action to once again restestore freedom. and strength to our joint force We're seizing this moment to discard any absurd oververreaching mandates that only weaken our warfighting capabilities. In this case This includes the universal flu vaccine and the mandate behind it The notion that a flu vaccine must be mandatory for every service member everywhere in every circumstance at all times It's just overly broad and not rational Our new policy is simple If you An American warrior entrusted to defend this nation belieelve that the flu vaccine is in your best interest. then you are free to take it, you shouldn But we will not force you because your body, your faith, and your convictions are not Negotiable your health Michael, I'm very stuck on this phrase, yourour body, your faith, your convictions are not negotiable Um Yeah, and let me think that through for a moment. That is one of those u one of those things that probably is not remotely true in any way, shape, or form. Of course all those things aret negotiable. We negotiate them and every single person negotiates them on almost a daily basis So yeah, this is just you know, some Some a coms personon or spech speech writer came up with that one hundred percent meaningless phrase I think, you know, I mean, what is going on is is is clearly Um Um, All right, let's let's let's secure our Mga credentials. Let's do it again about a a Um on this VAax issue. and this VAax issue is actually not all that important an issue Um You know Well, except that, except that in the last two weeks, two hundred members of the military in Texas have gone down with flu, have got serious flu. Well, it's not serious flu. it's the flu. fl But it's the flu But you'll be to do anything. Also I don't know those those num. People get the flu anyway. people get the who get who get vaccinated get the flu. Usually it's not as bad as it would otherwise. But these are kind of suspicious numbers to me. So I'm not I don't want to pin this I mean, I would like to pin anything on Hggers, but I think that this is probably probably more the result of everyone else who wants to pin something on haggers then it because he's such adult and such an obnoxious so and so and such a such a person obvious person who should not have the job he has Um I doubt if this is if this is the crisis that we are suggesting it is. On the other hand, I do think, you know, you know, he is trying to take advantage of this, I am an anti vax person And and those are part of my credentials, my MGa credentials so that I too possibly run for president I am willing to bet an inside Trump's head mug that Pete Heigseth has got all his children vaccinated. Perhaps not against the flu because I think that comes later. but' pretty confident all seven of his children with I think his three different wives at this point have been vaccinated Oh my Godd, you mean you think that that that Hagers might actually be a kind of a cynical guy C I think that Heagers is probably quite normal and playing for the Pident didn't feel that he'd had a military press conference for some time and so we're sort of waving and saying over here we're going to stop 're going to stop vaccines, and of course, COVID vaccines during COVID were a huge issue in the military because because they were mandated. but This seems to be a sort of nothing burger except that people are going down with flu as they always do That's waster. Spotify, it's Jay Sheti. Are you one of those media strategy people? Scrolling through spreadsheets, searching for an audience that pays twice as much attention to your ads than they do on social Let me introduce you to Fat And they're here with me on Spotify. Trust me, I know fans They don't skip, they stay for hours They don't move on, they manifest They're not a demographic group The Event Spotify advertis You're among fans. Let's um But in terms of of who are burnishing their credentials to be u to be the next president of the United States in the Republican, the next Republican president of the United States. Let's look for take a look for a moment at JD Vance's J D Vnce's book, go on Well, I just think so so he has JD Vance, as you know, has a new book out and it's a new book about his conversion to Catholicism Um, This is a man who has had many conversions in his life. So, u u He has. That's a very good point actually Yes And I think the title is communion something or other, Communion and find I think it's finding my way back to faith which I'm sure he has done after having to work with Donald Trump for eighteen months Sounds like a kind of a sixties rock and roll song finding my way back to you Yeah, it does, actually. It's a very good point. What are your thoughts on it? I can't wait to read it Well, that's a lie. I can wait to read it. It's a total lie, but I'm intrigued to read it Well, it's interesting it will be interesting to read this in contrast to his other book his Has there been an intermediary book? I don't think so. No, H Hill Billy Ellgy was the book that came out. So Hill Billy Elegy, as you recall, was the book that that that made JD Vance JD Vance He was He was he came to prominence because he wrote a pretty good book It's an intelligent book. It's a well written book. I mean, I can take issue with it as I can take issue with almost every book. neverevertheless If you were to read that book Divorce from Knowing what JD. Vance has become, you would say pretty interesting book Um, So Um, but he wrote that as a As a book, JD. Vance was a, you know, he wrote it seeing himself as the writer of a book, as a writer, in effect. as a public intellectual even And then on the basis of that books extraordinary success, he became something else. He now converted from being a writer to being to being a public figure and then a politician Um, This is this is not aking as a writer, a natural progression but he saw the opportunity and he grabbed it So it would be interesting to see this this new book, to read this new book in light of the other book and and see if it is written as a politician would write a book or as the other book as a writer would write a book So u, I I too actually In fact I am looking forward to reading this book Okay, so that might possibly be the best ad for a JD Vance book ever. Michael Wolf is looking forward to reading this book. We should remind people for anyone who hasn't Red Hill Billy Egy. It's about his growing up in Appalachia. It's about his mother Moore. Is it Moo Moore or his grandmother? He spent a lot of time with his grandmother. There was a lot of drink and alcohol and drugs in the family. uh, he basically is rescued by the fact that he's intelligent His grandmother sees that in him. She encourages him to read along with inevitably some teachers at school. and he then goes off to join the Marines and goes to do you think she saw him as intelligent or did she see clearly that he was opportunistic Here is a guy who can You know, let's encourage him to seize every opportunity because he can do it because he's a real snake. Well, that's very possible. I hadn't thought of that. I think as the grandmother igure she probably thought that he was the hope for the family and that there was an opportunity to break the cycle here, which he certainly has done. But what's so interesting is how that book was taken up by what he would describe as the liberal elite and the held out as the shameful ignoring of Appalachachia and the flyover states as people refer to it and here was someone who was pleading their case Here is someone who visited the last Pope. And then the poor man died the day after JD Vents saw them soon again, no wonder he's finding his way back to faith. And also he, you know, he's the one that described Trump as the new hitler and he's now finding his way back to faith It the whole thing is insane. and as you say, wildly opportunistic, he really does make Politicians look cynical Yeah, no. and and if you're running for president, you know, we we know that everybody accepts for Donald Trump himself emraces his u his inner or outer religious Bona fides. Well, there's still nothing funny than Donald Trump being asked Wit' favorite book in the Bible wasn't him saying, I like all of them, I like all of them. And then him standing outside that beautiful church just outside the White House and holding the Bible upside down for the camera. I mean, a voraciously more A religious man, you could not No I have always thought that that is a counterindicated Donald Trump virtue Um that while politicians are required to make this bow to their religious bona fides, the entire country has has has left the church, any church a long time ago and was secretly relieved to have in Donald Trump a guy who was as um as uninterested in religion as everybody else Yes, that's actually a very That's a very good point and maybe that's why they like him because they don't have to pretend that They're better than they are And I still maintain that a lot of people want to live as Donald Trump does. mean I think it was Fran Lieowitz who said that he's a poor person's idea of what a rich person is. You know, I still think nobody cared about him spending however many occasions he did with Stormy Daniels because porn is such an important part of a lot of men's lives And so why wouldn't he want to spend at night with a porn star Well, I mean If you think about it, this must ultimately explain obviously. I mean, it is so, I mean, Donald Trump has been so transparent And so bold in his Perf. U morally, financially go down the list Well, un he says people don't care Yes. People don't care. They don't care that he's making fistfuls of money, whatever it's up to, four billion dollars since he got there. as he says, people don't care. People don't care that he spent a weekend with Stormy Daniels at a celebrity golf tournament because that's what a lot of men would like to do So we we will see if that If that premise bears out in the Grim Platner race, which it might Meaning, well, I think In other words, it it is that ever that that A significant number of voters are understand the generalized hypocrisy of politics and are willing to, at this moment in time, in the Trump moment in time, willing to look past that and say, you know I don't really care Yeah, it's interesting. Especially the sort of sexts that were going from Platna to various women which his wife had obviously discovered on his phone at some point. But I remember talking to a couple of friends who work in finance, one of them has a very successful company, a hedge fund of his own. and he said And this was actually after he'd got divorced, but he said he had at least twenty five women that he would constantly send these kind of. these messages do. They were just on a kind of rotation, but they were happening simultaneously and he seemed to imply that most of his friends did that. And I think that's part of communicating on a cell phone for a loss of a lot of people. Well, I mean I mean without withithout u praising Graham Platner I would Certainly hesitate to do that Um I think I think it it is this measure that Politics does not understand in so many ways the reality of American life And that's a disjuncture that somehow Donald Trump, well, because he was a reality television star has managed to bridge. And I think we were talking about I think I think the other day we were talking about this conceit that Donald has about the tastes of America. that that he he understands what American Americans like, the American audience Um He understands that it operates on a level of I don't know, fulgarity politics does not acknowledge hence the UFC fight in on the front lawn of the White House. Well, I think there's a lack of pretension to it which appeals to people. so much of politics And so much of culture perhaps feels pretentious and you know, Donald Trump is very clearly, he's pretentious in other ways like when he's sticking the bits of gold on the mantle at the No, no That's not pretentious. That's the opposite of pretention actually. That's transparent, you know, I just like gold Give me gold. But it's quite pretentious because it's pretending to be a sort of Versailles as opposed to the American people's house. No, no, that doesn't work at all. I mean even Versailles is not pretentious in that way. I mean, that's a symbol of vulgarity. So vulgarity is the opposite of pretention Okay, I sort of see where you're coming from but Well, he's sort of you're never going to see him at the opera. or in fact, I think there was actually a There's a scene from one of Tina Brown's memoirs where he's complaining about having to go to the opera with Ivanna And they're all having dinner beforehand and it's some sort of charity event and they sort of let me point out that everyone complains about going to the Opera. That's except possibly Tina Brown I remember taking my older son to the opera once. I smuggled him to the opera by telling him we were going to the Lincoln Center because we'd gone to lots of plays at the Lincoln Center, which she usually enjoyed, but I was determined to take him to the opera and I was going to take him a mouse. We don't say the Lincoln Center What do we you say Linoln Linoln Center Really? Okay, well, I always think of it as the Lincoln Center. Anyway, I got him that It's like the Barbicon Barbican. o, that's weird. All right. Although I think you do actually say we're going to the Barbican. we're not going to Barbican, which is a big art center No No you do say as I say, you say the Barbicon, you just don't say the Lincolnad. Okay. all right, well, whatever, whatever. Well now we're standing New York, Joanna Coles. Thank you. thirty years on. It's too late, Michael. Where were you thirty years ago? Oh wait, I know where you were are But I smuggled my older son to see an opera As the curtains went up, he suddenly started paying attention. the orchestras started playing and he said very loudly in what appeared to be a break that the entire theatre could hear, Oh God, have you brought me to the opera thenen he skidaddled at the first half at the first there were two breaks and he fled at the first intermission He has still never forgiven me But at least I tried, Thomas I tried. Do you think This is also, obviously, in opposition to the Obamas. We have the opening of the library this week and we have very much there You know,' still what Michelle Obama said ringing in people's ears. when they go low, we go high I mean, Trump arguably has gone very low with UFC on the on the south lawn. You you know Yeah, I mean, this, I mean, literally what everything that Donald Trump does, one hundred percent, everything is in reaction to something else So and clearly the Obam', the u all of this all of the former presidents, the living former presidents who showed up for for the opening of the Obama library are part of what always reacting to U these are These are the u the oppositional a group of the oppositional figures in his life. They're actually actually the antithesis of what he is, what he what he is trying to be of his whole reasons insights for being the president of the United States, the whole reason for being, in fact By the time I hit my fifties, I'd learned a few things. Like how family is precious Work can always wait And ninety nine percent of people over fifty already have the virus that causes shingles Everyone at risk will develop it I did. painful blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. sponsored by GSK Well, your whole theory that he's an outsider, that one of the reasons he bond up with Jeffrey Epstein was that he was also an outsider. and that the two of them wanted to make it in Manhattan and they had difficulties doing that. And this sense of him determined to succeed because he felt an outsider. I wondered this week if he felt more of an outsider than ever because kids Club, e the previous presidents, were all gathered together without him. And I imagineed that that would trigger his paranoia almost more than anything else Well, I I don't I mean because Donald Trump is not really a paranoid because he doesn't I mean Paranoia requires some level of objectivity. They're coming after, they're coming after me there are I'm being pursued. He doesn't really think like like that because he in his mind, he occupies every All of the the all of the space Everybody else is in is effectively the outsiders or irrelevant or comical or foolish because he is the guy at the center So it's a it's a complicated way that he sees these He sees these people. He doesn't really see them as as existing in the same universe as he does Having said that although he still sees other people as thinking that they might be better than he is. more intelligent. You know, that's it's an interesting thing that he always comes back to. They think they're more intelligent than I am, but I'm much more intelligent than they are So it's again, weird, this weird thing in Donald Trump's mind that it's not enough to see this as insiders, outsiders It's not enough to see they are either, as I said before and I'll take it back now, antithesis, thesis and antithesis is It is from the world he's created. He looks out and then he sees these other things going on, which he doesn't really understand doesn't really pay attention to doesn't really accept as part of reality. Um, and Yet There will be that moment when it is a direct comparison of people thinking they are somewhat smarter than he is. And maybe it all comes down to this this fundamental insecurity about his own intelligence for good reason, let me add for totally good reason and also the irony that this week And goodness knows, the Obama library has been plagued with delays. But the irony that this week of all weeks, the week when after one of the UFC fights a fighter had had you know, said on whatever it was Haramount You know, Michelle Obama is a man, right? that the day after Trump signs his ridiculous memo of understanding The day after is the opening of the Obama liibrary when Michelle Obama is able to remind people that Barack Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize, the one thing that we know Donald Trump definitely wants Um And the entire place erupts, that it's packed with artists that Trump couldn't possibly have coming to any event he does. We saw his concert fall apart because the artists were all pulling out because they'd been misled about what it was. They didn't want to be part of a MGA event. They don't want to be politicized. And yet here was Stevie Wandnder, happy to be politicized. H was the boss Bruce Springsteen happy to nail his colours to the Obama mask. and you know George W. Bush walking straight up to Michelle Obama and giving her an enormous embrace and making it very clear that he was no longer part of the The Trumpion Republican Party, which I guess clear before. we just should be careful in understanding Donald Trump and not to see that he sees this as he sees himself in direct comparison with these people These people just occupy another world that he has no interest in, that he's rejected, that he has triumphed over in his in his mind Um, I will say though that in terms of Michelle Obama being a man that this was a refrain throughout the campaign And early in well in twenty twenty three, when he still thought that Michelle Obama could be his opponent in the general election and still thought if and if that happened that she would win But he would say, well, if she's the opponent, we're going to call her Mike U Mike Obama because have you seen those big shoulders? notot possible that a woman could have shoulders that big. et ccetera, etcera. that Um, that refrain when on a constant basis Wow, Well, the two of us should get ourselves to the Obama Library at some point. Do you ever go to Chicago? If forced Hi have been to Chicago. It's a beautiful city A beautiful city. Well we should I'm very curious to go and have a look extremely hot city or an extremely cold city in my experience. And now it has an extremely provocative new presidential library. I can't say I love the look of it, but I'm told when you actually go in person it's much more appealing Um Yeah, no, and O'Hare airport is really one of the worst. I sound like Donald Trump now one of the work. And you always when he says, one of the worst, you say, one of the worst, what? I'm going to go and have a glass of roise in the forty degree temperature and look for some advertisers. Yeah and just pay attention to that it's going to leave a kind of coating in your tongue Okay, I will do. Well, I will brush my teeth wh we're back. everything, everythingthing is off about this. This is this is How the wine industry created this monstrosity It's the Donald Trump of wines. Actually, I think Donald Trump once had a a wine label Of course he did. he certainly had Trump champagne We should actually find a bottle of Trump champagne and raffle it off. to the best limerick person. We've got two limerickics today One from Paul Watson eight thousand eight hundred oh nine, Trump is lone and afraid, stewing in the mess that he's made. Knowing the bold letters of gold sporting his name will soon fade Very good And a final one from Garfried, there once was a Don who'd decree that the mul was his fiefdom to be. When Iran raised the stakes And the Senate got shakes. He was picking out drapes for DC Fantastic which is they say Well's You know what we should we should do a book club. We're going to get organised with our book club. We've had our first book choice, which was Scott Anderson's. I'm going to suggest a book next week. I'm wondering if we should do JD. Vance's book as a book But I don't want to encourage people if they don't want to buy it to feel forced to buy it. So people we to take it out their libraries We had another book, City on the Edge by Jonathan Weber, which I'm'sing all over the place. Okay so we got Okay, so we've had King of Kings, the Iran book by Scott Anderson. and we've had Jonathan Weber's book City onn the Edge about Democratic politics in California, right? Well in the rise of the tech industry and the tech monsters Yes The tech monsters. All right, should we have Canion My finding my faith, finding my way to faith, finding my way back to faith Um I did my way to royalties by JD. Vamms Well, are we recommending this book? It's a question. What's the book Cub about? Is these are books that we are recommending or books that we are mocking Well, that's a very good point. I think the JD Vance book is a newsworthy book. It's not really in it's not really a book I mean, it is and it's not really meant to be a book. It's meant to be a an event in his future candidacy. It's sort probably a manifesto in some way The literary manifesto No, I think it's probably it's like a prop Um No It's a book that no one will ever read because no one ever reads these kind of books because they're not written to be read It's just it's just a symbol that gives him a book tour he can talk about his his religious life. It's a phony book. It's not really a book. So we're not going to recommend this book, although I will read it and perhaps some' completely wrong and it' And well I will really take. Well, I will read it too because I want to know what he's finding his way back to and maybe he'll find his way to his wife's podcast Storytime with the Se lady. You'll skim it. You're a skimmer I am a bit of a skimmer. I'll skim it Well I think we have nothing else to say after that,. I mean, at least I confessed I am a skimmer of books like JD Vance's. I've read lots of other books thoroughly I can assure you if that JD Vance's book I'll probably skim. I'm a skimmer. I've said it. I'm a skimmer Um I will see you on ay is today, Saturday I' you on see you on Tuesday. Thank you Ryan Heather So John and Nil I am going to the beach as you should too I'm going to the beach tu, but I am going to have a glass of rose. I will see you on Tuesday, Jo. See you on Tuesday So the good news is we have so many bebeast tier members now. There are too many names to read out and we really appreciate your support Starting a business can seem like a daunting task, unless you have a partner like Shopify They have the tools you need to start and grow your business. From designing a website to marketing, to selling and beyond, Shopify can help with everything you need. 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