Deportation Policies and Political Consequences

This is a case where Egene Carrool had to go before a jury and prove that he had sexually violated her in a dressing room. f Goodman with his fingers. It was quite detailed. But here was a jury finding the president sexually violated somebody. It's now gone to the Supreme Court. and so it now stands. This is a matter of law, Donald Trump is a sex abuser. Donald Trump lives Plet Trump Apart from the world, Dlusional, demented, declining figure who is making everybody's life worse except for his friends and his cronies. And the rest of us are figuring out now what do we do about I'm Joanah Cooles, this is the Daily Beast podcast. It's Monday, so it's David Rothkoff and we have so much to discuss, the empty lawns at the Great State Fair. We have the breaking Supreme Court decisions which impact everybody from Lisa Cirook to Egene Carroll. have Trump's crazy truth socials just raging at everything, including Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swann's new book, Reime Change, which I'm sure you like me are reading. And well, the war in Iran, is that still happening? Yes, no, arere they playing the markets on it? deal with Kazakhstan, a critical mineral deal that the Trump kids and the Lutnik kids are also getting in on. We're going to get into all of it. But just before we go into the Rothkop zone, the reason we can bring you independent conversations like this is because we are independent media and we appreciate your support, which you can show us by subscribing to our YouTube channel or wherever else you get your podcasts. There are different tiers of membership with all sorts of different benefits, but we do appreciate your support. And we are so close to seven hundred thousand. byy the end of the year, we want to get to one million, but we're trying to get to seven hundred thousand almost by the end of this month. two more days to do it. So your help would be hugely appreciated. So let's get into it with David Rothkoff, the Daily Beast's very own global affairs correspondent. David Rothgop You are in Lisure wear this week. I see you're taking the july the fourth holiday very seriously. I do take it seriously. This is patriotic. Is it? Becauseuse it's not in the American flag that color, I'm just pointing out. At least I have gold on. I could be stuck with superglue to the wall of the Oval Office by Donald Trump and I would fit right in You be careful You'll be careful because he or U What's her day? his girlfriend would be putting you up against the wall. I mean, wasn't she involved in p stuff up in the. Probably. Are you talking about Natalie Harp, the human printer? Nalie Harp Yeah, I heard you did a whole thing with Michael Wolf on N. Well, Michael has been saying for some time that Natalie Harp is the most interesting person in the White House because she spends the most time with Donald Trump. And as we know, she follows him around with her printer. so she got the nickname the human printer because she provides him with printouts of all sorts of good news for him so that even though The world appears to be collapsing she gives him only good news, whichich reminds me of my anecdote of the design of Alentina, which I don't know if I've told you I may have told it before on the podcast, but it's my favourite anecdote of the fashion world, which was I was called in, I was summoned when I started at Marie Claire as the editor in chief to go and meet mister Valentino. And just as I was going in to meet him, and this was on the Sunday in Rome after a very glamorous party to celebrate his fortieth anniversary at the company and Annie Lennox had played and the world's celebrities were there, everybody wearing red. I was told whatever you do, his Italian person said, Please when there you meet Mr. Valentino, do not ask him about the war in Iraq. So this was when we were at war with Iraq, not Iran And this was two thousand six and the war had begun in two thousand three. And me being a logical person thought, oh goodness, he's probably lost a nephew in it or something because the Allies are providing troops. How terrible? I won't ask him about it. And I said, well, why shouldn't I Of course I won't ask him about it, thinking I was going to trigger him, you know for some family upset. and they said He doesn't know about it I was like How can he not know about the war in Iraq? What are you talking about? It's been going on for three years. And they said please, Mrister Valentino is a man of beauty. He live in a world of beauty, no bad news I go Im to go there. I mean, I got to go moving to Valentina's. I mean, what and at the time, I thought, this is insane. This is the craziest thing. whoo are these fashion designers. Now I think how brilliant he just lived in a world of beauty. No bad news. But this is the president. You know, the president of the United States lives in a world of beauty It's the world of his own imagination And he creates it. And you know what?'s going on in that world Gas prices are coming down beatating Iran He's a great victor in Venezuela He's loved around the world. He's making America stronger Aain, he's making Washington more beautiful building after building this morning in the paper there's he's he's redoing a golf course. He's you know, and in his own mind and Natalie Harp follows him around. and hands him only things that she can find confirm his world of beauty And it really is the emmperor's new clothes taken to its most insane extreme. Because after all, he iss actually the president of the United States I don't think reality pet I mean, he's a billionaire to begin with. Well he's got a sort of iron dome around him at this point, hasn't he? For bad news?'s just shooting off. Anything that brings in bad news. Excellent, excellent analogy. But I would use Trump's preferred alternative, which he's going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on Glden dough Yeah, the iron Dome is very prosaic, isn't it? Who wants an prosaic? It's for the little people. It's for small small countries bankrupt countries. We have a golden Dome. and he's got a golden dome around. He's got a golden dome. And by the way, the other golden Dome, the one it wants to build, completely technically impossible, will never happen Golden Dome around Donald Trump He has actually built except as I think you are going to get to The Supreme Court of the United States fired a missile that penetrated it. Talk about that. That is breaking news as we speak, David Rothkoff. I'm so interested in this story. Tell us what we are talking about. Well, you know, the Supreme Court's handing out, I think eight more decisions Monday. Can I just point out, by the way, it It's such a bizarre system that they have all the year to work on these things. And then it's like a high school high school essay, they suddenly hit their deadlines and suddenly they're pumping these things out. It's such a strange thing. They were working on these decisions all weekend long. Not that theyve voted. They know what the decisions are. But then they each have to write majority opinion, the dissents, sometimes there's several dissents thenen they edit those and they continue to work on them right up until now. There was a time where most of us could agree on the basic facts. Now, one headline says one thing, another says the exact opposite, and somewhere in between, you're left wondering who to trust That's why I like ground news. Instead of telling you what to think, it lets you compare how the same story is covered across the political spectrum Take a recent story I've been following, haven't we all? Donald Trump's plans to renovate the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool. On ground newews, I can instantly compare how different outlets are covering the same story. It tracks which outlets are reporting on what stories, which angles are being emphasised, and just as importantly, which stories might be getting ignored altogether Ground News features a helpful buyer bar that highlights a publication's political lean, ownership and reliability ratings, giving you the context that is so often missing from today's news feeds. If you're tired of outrage, algorithms and endless confusion, Ground News offers a smarter way to stay informed. Go to ground dot newews forward slash beast for a better way to stay informed ground. news forward slash beast. suubscribe for forty percent off the Vandage plan for unlimited access to world news coverage through my link Don't you think that chat GPT should make them much more efficient? I mean, they can just put all the details in. They should be able to get Chatty to at least write the leading decision, then they can edit it. But I'm amazed that Trump hasn't told them to hurry up now because AI is You wouldn't have Chat GPT write the story about it? No, of course not. No, that's a very good point. But don't you think it's odd that Donald Trump hasn't said out loud why aren't these people moving faster AI can make these decisions better? We know that AI is a better decision maker. But what I want to know somethingbody hear something substant. And I thought about this last night The Democrats, there is a very serious discussion among Democrats about whether the court should be expanded And the court has been expanded multiple times. There are thirteen circuits in the United States, judicial circuits. and so there's an argument to be made that maybe there should be thirteen justices because it used to be the same number of justices as circuits And also, of course, the Democrats feel that if they come in, And they could appoint four new justices to the Supreme Court, they can offset the current imbalance, six three imbalance. Did't Joe Biden say that he was going to do this at one point? He said he was No no. I thought he said he was thinking about He said he was thinking about it. att the very beginning, he went in He had a high level commission Think about the chord And, um and they decided to do nothing It was very because he was very like Joe Biden as and institutional and like Things are fine, we don't have to do this. And remember, he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee He's a real Washington institionist, right in any event Uh, they have You know, they get a route and then they finish it. and then tomorrow. As soon as the last decision is read, They like go on summer vacation. They're like out of town Be, you know, now, because we have this shadow dock and everything The summers are not as quiet as they once were but it's kind of an amazing system because then they don't come back till the first Monday in October to start really Oh. they actually take July, August and September off completely Theoretically, ye. Now. because there is this thing called the Sadow Dark at which Um Kavanaugh wants to call the interim dock. The There are cases that pop up. throughout the summer. that's a new thing But technically the term of the Supreme Court ends at the end of June and does not begin again a new term until the first Monday in October. And during that period, by the way, all the that um The staff, you know, they have interns and others who come in for the for the justices They'll switch over All the all last year's leave, new ones come in They travel around the world, the justices give speeches And then they're back for. they give speeches, they write books. I mean, isn't they a period where they get three months to hustle? Yeah, we're They care whatever they want to do, but mostly they're out there kind of hustling Anyway, so today We're waiting for big decisions like birthright, citizenship and so forth. But they let a little one out, which was they refused to hear Donald Trump's case in which he says They should oververturn The jury decision that he sexually abused and defamed I J. Now there's two Egene Cow cases, one for five million, one for eighty three million. This is the five million dollars case and they're The president was arguing, I'm the president. I have important in fact, it was an amazing argument because it' was kind of like I'm a very important president doing a very important presidency. That makes it special. And therefore, I shouldn't be bothered with this old stuff Well, they said, nope, we're not even going to hear it Well, he doesn't really have a channel to reclaim this. and so it looks like he's going to have to pay her the five million Now the eighty three million dollars case He is going to go to them on that one too and you know, they may or may not reject it This is essentially and this is the amazing thing about all of this and why I say it penetrated his golden Do, mother I feel unmcomfortable using the word Do you though, orr was that why you chose to use the word Okay, possibly, but but You know, this is a case where Egene Carol had to go before a jury It was a civil case, but had to go and prove that he had sexually violated her in a dressing room. Goodman with his fingers. It was quite detailed And then when she called him out for it and he accused her of defaming him. uh and and he then defamed her. And and the court said, yeah, he did this. The jury said, yeah, he did this And the jury said, yeah, he defamed her, pay her someone And u That's kind of amazing, right? I mean, I mean, yeah, we're used to it and, you know You know, we have all the tapes and everything else and all the other accusations But here was a jury finding the president sexually violated somebody. It's now gone to the Supreme Court. And so it now stands. This is a matter of law Donald Trump is a sex abuser So David, Eugene Carroll has had this thing hanging over her since twenty nineteen So that's seven years during which her life has obviously been upended, received numerous threats as well as a lot of support But she's not gotten a single penny from this man and she lost her job at Elle Magazine owned by Hearst. So this is a victory for her. I mean, it won't obviously compensate for what she's been through, but hopefully she will get to see a check for five million dollars, which she says she's going to give more she's going to give most of it away, but I think she wanted to spend some of it What do you think she should spend it on? anythingything that makes your life happy. you know, this is a woman whoo has gone through hell for this but has stood up so that the truth comes out about Trump And I'm going be candid. She's a friend of my sister's. She's used to gp my sister's house for Thanksgiving. I know a lot of people who know her and I've exchanged texts with her. and she's a lovely, funny right you probably I do know her. and also I loved her documentary, which is out at the moment. It just came out, had enormous difficulties getting distribution and it's a really, really good watch. about a fascinating woman actually. And it's got great details of the seventies and the eighties and the nineties in New York. It's not all about this case it's about a young woman living a very lively life. and after the attack, she's really not had a relationship with a man Yeah. And and, you know, the she is funny. she's bright, she's, you know, she's suuper energetic. It comes through in ar writ U it comes through she I think she is a substack comes through and everything that she does and hopefully she'll get this money over the Lord knows You know, Donald Trump and rich people, they treat and view courts differently. They feel they can hire as many lawyers as they want for as long as they want come up with delaying tactics Because every time they go and bring a new case or come up with a new tactic They know that the other side's got to write a check. The other side's got to pay for it. And so it becomes a way of punishing even if they know the The case isn't going to go their way But you know, I just think it's important to remember that right now we say all these things about Trump and Trump lives in his golden dome and he sends out true socials all the time saying everythingthing iss going to be great or everything is great, or I am The greatest and a jury in New York City determined that he was guilty of sexual abuse and of defamation And the Supreme Court is going to let that stand, and it's his Supreme Court, by the way. courourt handed out some of its other decisions this morning And one of the decisions was very much catering to Trump. where essentially they're reversing a precedident called Humphrey's executor and they're saying the president can fire almost anybody in the US. government. And so that includes a couple of notable cases where he was trying to do it and they were fighting back. So again, they're expanding the power of the presidency as the Roberts courourt has done which is very alarming. because they seem not to consider the fact that Presidents can be flawed You know, the whole reason that there was a balance of powers in the U. S. Constitution was that the founders said, well, human beings can be flawed. so let's set up a this construction them with their unitary executive thought, make the executive more strong They're they're building it up and up. and you know we have this example of the most flawed human being possible as president as they are doing it. And it's really striking. They did hand Trump another defeat today in which They said that the state of Missippi, I believe could count ballots that came in after election dayay if they were dated a certain way And there was some worry that, you know, they've been giving a lot of voting rights cases to Trump, which is to say they've been paring away our voting rights And this was at least one case where the voting rights For mail in ballots were preserved in one case because one of their arguments is if a mail in ballot comes after election D dayay it shouldn't be counted. David, there was a lot of anticipation around the decision for Lisa Cook who's on the board of the Fed Trump went after her to try and get rid of her because she was not voting for a reduction in interest rates. This will be watched by a lot of people. What was the decision actually So the Supreme Court actually had a couple of other decisions Trump won't like today. Perhaps the most prominent of these is By five to four, they ruled that Trump can't fire Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. and that she can continue to remain in the job while she fights for her job Uh, and, you know, he had wanted to do something no president has done for over a century. And that's fire a sitting fed government and they've blocked that. However, There's another principle that has limited presidence in the past called Humphrey's executor And in a separate case, they have said to him can fire the heads of independent agencies The Fed, I believe, and this is consistent with the way this court has acted Uh is a special case, a special kind of an entity And then on top of that, there was another decision you won't like which allows states to treat mail inballots in such a way that they can be counted after election dayay, he is wanting to limit that. h And so it was a mixed bag from the court today But the one that's going to sting because Trump is ego, ego, ego. is They're refusing his Egene Carroll case and you know, it's just It's just a matter of time before We see something on social media. I mean, I'm waiting for his truth social on it. But also the Lisa Cook one is interesting because she didn't want to reduce interest rates, which we know he's obsessed by. She's also a black woman, which we know that he's also obsessed by. And the Fed is interesting because Kevin Warsh, the new head of the Fed who Trump is supposedly likes has made it very clear that he's not planning to reduce interest rates. So it'll be interesting to see how long that relationship lasts. So well, I mean, you know, it's worth reminding everybody that the Fed governor, the Fed chairman, that Trump hates Jerome Powell, the one he fired. He hired a. Yeah, of course, of course. Right Yeah You know, so ye. No, he was a hangover from Trump won. He sailed through the Biden administration. And then suddenly, Trump has had enough of him Yeah. so, you know, it's interesting. it's a bit of a mixed bag today Well and the one that everybody is waiting for obviously is the birthright citizenship, which Yeah, I there's a lot of people who I mean We're doing this O on my day And it's going to come out on a Monday night, and they're going to make that decision apparently tomorrow morning, Tuesday So it's risky to go out on a lim, but I'm going to go out on a lim and say It's almost impossible to conceive of how they could overturn something that is so explicitly in the fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution And so that's going to You know Rumble Trump. a little more But you know, that's not a good week or month gar for Donald Trump Everything is going wrong. Have you made it down to Washington to go to the I was hoping you would lead to the Great American State Fair because that leads me to a Donald J Trump truth Social. I know you don't spend as much time on trruth Social as I do, but this I've never been a truth Social. Is that a nice place? Oh, it's absolutely marvelous I mean, the strange thing is there's really it's a social media platform largely made up of the president But of course, we all follow it. But he did post something I wanted to read to you. and I'm going to put on my Donald Trump accent for this, which is really basically a nasal British accent. So for those of you who are going to write in and say that my impressions aren't very good, hold your fire. it's fine. I know they're not very good. I'm trying differentiate between David's erodite conversation. My questions and the presresident's due socials. Do you think people appreciate what a fantastic job we did in the building at operating off the great American state Fair at the National Mall, packed with happy people and everybody loving it. Ask yourself this simple question, do you think that O Boba spelt wrong or sleepy Joe Biden could have done it answer is no. than you for your attention to this matter, David. I mean, he is feeling very sensitive about it and I'm hoping that we can show a clip of Caroline Levitt, his press spokesperson, who was interviewed by Fox News. She was very happily there with her toddler, marvevelous trip out for Caroline, the thing perhaps she didn't intentionally understand or Unwittingly didn't realize was that behind her, well you'll see from this clip. Welcome to the Great American State Fair. What a beautiful day on the National Mall. First question, How are you? How's the baby? Amazing. She's great. She's at home right now, sleeping. I have my toddler son here, as you can see, Nico and we're trying to find the New Hampshire booth. I haven't found it yet I'm blown away, the ferris wheel looks so fun. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm about to. And it's so cool to have all fifty states represented and people from all over the country that have traveled to enjoy our nation's two hundred fiftieth birthday There are a lot of Europeans who are visiting for the World Cup, who we have run into here looking around the fifty states. You've been to most of the fifty states. What is the one stop that they've got to make? New Hampshire. There is no one behind her. There is no one else there. It appears to be solely Pete Doocey from Fox News Caroline Levitt and then a man who, not once, not twice, but three times was spotted with his hands down his pants. This is a man called Manny who was dressed in the stars and stripes and sort of his uncle Sam and finally had to be led away by police Thus bringing the total number of people attending the state fair down by thirty percent. I live in DC. If you go down to DC right now It's really weird It's like from some other planet Because there is this state fair and there fences all around it. you can't get anywhere and it's blocked up. And there's nobody there It is a ghost town It's not just a ghost town. It is a cheeseball ghost town. You know, he's put up this replica of his triumphal art. which is made up which looks like, right Yeah, but it looks like it's made by a bunch of fifth graders in an art class. I mean, it's it's The no detail looks ridiculous. And, you know, there there Trump cabinet members going down there to try to promote it And there's nobody there There's's there's nobody that. meaneanwhile, people are trying to go over and see the reflecting pool because they know that's, you know it's like a it's a ghoulish It's a ghlish tourist attraction at this point. Well, yeah, no, but it's, you know, that's, you know, you want to go back. You want to have your picture taken with that And that has troops wandering around. and they've passed a regulation or asserted regulation. The president is made up a regulation that you can't loiter around the reflecting pool So you can't reflect Well it reminds me slightly. I mean, people are clearly trying to get bits of the rubber or bits of the algae out. I mean, I'm surprised that some enterprising chemistry class from a high school hasn't gone down with test tubes to collect the water and tell us what the algae is actually, what's in it, or perhaps they have. But do you remember there was that moment when the Berlin Wall came down and everybody appeared to have a sort of little concrete chip which they claimed was from the Berlin Wall. I now think we're going to see the same thing of little bits of sort of peculiar rubber that people are going to say, yes, this comes from the bottom of the reflexing pool., Well, I'd certainly pay that doar for that. But you know, Trump put out something else over the weekend and referred to the criminal algae, which was It's kind of interesting, know, I didn't know there was a whole set of criminal statutes for. Oh yeah, you'd be surprised. someome of them breed much faster than other algaies and that's where they become illegal. There are plenty of single celled or invertebrate creatures in DC who deserve to be held guilty of crimes and notably Republicans on the hill But having said that Um There's one thing I just want to point out to everybody. and I think we may have mentioned it last week, but The reflecting pole was built like the nineteen twenties Ever since it was built There was an algae problem Because if you have a big essentially pool of standing water gets warm during the day Little single celled algae creatures start to grow in it And the reason Obama put in pumps, like now we're all experts in this, but the reason Obama put in pumps they have the water flow was because if the water flows, you don't have algae and so forth. But the point is Trump's like that, you know, that that the algae was put in there by as a crime. He doesn't realize It's been there for a hundred years Um, but, you know, he again, he lives in a golden dome Golden buubble Um, and and he's just nobody's challenging him. Natalie sits there and laughs at him And he goes, Ohh, look, a young woman is laughing at me. I must be the same old Donald I always was when I wasn't shitting in my pants. Oh, David. Well, he's also fired off another truth social at another woman who's managed to penetrate his Golden Dome and that's, as he calls her Maggot Habermman, the The writer who's come up with Jonathan Swan and they've written regime change, which is packed with delicious details about the White House, some of which we knew, but it's sort of repackaged and then there's lots of new things in it And the book is doing phenomenally well. And finally, Donald Trump has come out and U attacks on it have you read well, you haven't read his trruth social, but basically he's saying it's fake news. She's a third rate writer, third rate writer at intellect who made a first rate incca because of your favorite president Just in case you don't know who your favorite president is, he then puts in capital letters, me She was wrong about me on the elections, though she knew I was going to win big, big She was wrong about beyond the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax. and on he goes, on he goes, which is exactly the kind of truth social you need to sell a book. So I'm sure that Maggie H' doing a great job for her. Yeah. And you know, the reality is this, he answers her calls when she calls Of course, they all do, right? They all complain about fake media. JD Vance is one of the biggest complainers and yet he's constantly on the fake media. Not only. I mean, you know. I We all have friends who are journalists because like a few months ago, his number went around And everybody got his private number And so then they were like, oh, should I call him And so I, you know, friends were like call him and he like talks to them And then if he sees what they're doing, he doesn't like it and he goes, Oh, you're being bad. I'm not going to talk to you again. And then he talks to them again But you know and Maggie Haberman is the ultimate example of this You know, people talk a lot. I talked a lot the last episode, you know, acccess journalism, When should they publish the story part of the story But you know, it's not just journalists with access to the president. It's a president with access to the journalists Presidents want? to have these journalists available but they're beck and call so they can get out their message. And Donald Trump still ten years into this delusional political life of his and thirty or forty years into his public persona still thinks he's so charming that he can persuade anybody that what he says is true even if all the evidence is against it. And if you look at that true social you read He's like saying, well, she said the Russia thing was true and it wasn't. but the Russia thing was true All the things things he's denying A word trips And you know, this book is doing well because it's well reported and we're learning about the divisions in the White House um over Iran war, for example, and that he got pushed back from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, who he sort of put in place as his own you know, sort of hand selected general, right U and JD Vance was against it. and then he's got all the stories about playing Vance against Rubio and all the dysfunction in the White House and The dysfunction between Trump and his wife and And so, you know, if you're interested in this kind of thing, this book is to rape Uh, but I You know, A, there's no evidence to suggest It's wrong. These are two of the best reporters that there are out there. And B, isn't it interesting that he attacks Maggie Habermman and not Jonathan St? Isn't it interesting? I thought that too. Well, he goes after women all the time It' one of Donald Trump's patterns. is attacking women, particularly women of color who he always calls low IQ Um, but but but, you know, look at him as attacking Caitlin Collins in Press event after press event there is Donald Trump's relationship with women is Unbelievably dysfunctional As you know, Natalie Harp will learn to hurt You know, what I did think was interesting was the details about Steve Witoff actually. I didn't realize that Steve Witoff had lost a son to drug overdose to a drug overdose, that seems sad. Well, Steve Woodcuff, look, Steve Woodcff is a New York developer who has made a lot of money who has a reputation in New York as being a kind of a sleez by. So he's very similar to Donald Trump The book says actually that Steve Wyickkoff got the idea of becoming a real estate developer because he started off as Donald Trump's real estate lawyer. And then he I mean, looked around and thought I could do this. He obviously thought, well, if Donald Trump can do this, I can do this too. And now he's his chief negotiator If you see a baboon making a billion dollars, you think Well, a baboon can do that, I can do it And But you know who else is making a lot of money? and which is another big story in the N. Oh, yes, I know who you're gonna to say Well, but you know, Witkoff's kids are going, you know, they go to negotiation and in the lobby of the hotel they're negotiating, Witkoff's kids are negotiating deals. Howard Lutnik's kids are doing the same thing And there's a big story today In a country that is not unfamiliar to those who follow Trump's scandals, Kazakhstat. about a mining deal, which Trump is the president gotot a concession for the U S on a mining deal And it is going to a company that is pretent that is doing business with his kids and Latnik's kids And it's like I mean, it's just overt crazy cororrupt And the president of Kazakhstan sort of appeared to just say, Donald Trump is the new Messiah. This is an extraordinary deal for Kazakhstan. This is absolutely marvelous, right These are authoritarian leaders who are often you know, cut corners in their own business dealings And and so they feel a lot of affinity to Trump And, you know, you go around the world, particularly in these marginal places and that's where Trump has done his best. And, you know, it's not a big surprise that if Ankca Trump and Jared, you know, they want to build their island super resort for billionaires in Albania It's not ' because anybody wants to go to Albania. It's because they think they can get the government to do the deal with them And the same is what has happened in Kazakhstan. And there was a real estate deal in Kazakhstan that Ivanka Trump was involved with. past and and and so You know, it's just very, very Interesting how overt this corruption has become. Um But I would, you know, I would just wave a little bit of a red flag and say You know, the Supreme Court in their famous and infamous Uh Trump versus the United States of America case, which was ruled on in twenty twenty four in June of twenty twenty four and essentially gave the president immunity while he was in office gave him immunity for all of his official acts It does not give him immunity. for unofficial act Um and The Constitution of the United States is very explicit President cannot take remuneration from foreign governments or domestically, there're two clauses. They're called the emaliuments clauses whichich means that this kind of corruption where he is actually making money or his family is making money from this can't be described as an official act. because it's explicitly prohibited by the Constitution And I think that you know we are going to get into a period assuming there' fair elections and Democrats win control at least of one of the houses We arere going to get into a period where there' going to be investigations into Trump where he is legally vulnerable And I think that's the reason that he is obsessed. with trying to find ways to cheat going into November. And it's on his mind. And last week, just a couple of days ago, there was this Almost unbelievable case. where the presresident of the United States had the opportunity to sign a bipartisan bill solving one of the big power, helping us address one of the big problems the U.S has about housing And he said, Nope, I'm not going to sign it until you do the Save act, which is this act he wants Congress to pass which would allow him to bar a lot of people from voting And u He's willing to trash Aong the very few things that he's got that's an actual legit achievement. because more important to him is cheating in the November elections And that can only be because he thinks that if the elections go the other way, he is vulnerable. He is vulnerable. And, you know, it's not just his insecurities as we've seen now with this Egene Carroll thing The president of the United States has done bad things And when it gets put in front of juries or put in front of courts, he gets found liable for them And he's a he's afraid Yeah, we had Cgressman Jason Crow from Colorado on the podcast last week who said the minute The Democrats win the House, they're going to start inquiries into all of this. And the critical mineral deal with Kazakhstan is quite interesting because it's for tungsten, that stuff which is in bombs, It goes on the tips of bullet. It makes things everything that just that bit more lethal Um And of course, it could prove to be one of those deals that actually just a bit more lethal for Donald Trump and his family It could if these people are held accountable. And I have to say one thing that troubles me a little bit is like I was at a dinner with a bunch of big sort of Dems hisse names, who would have heard it over the weekend and U There were several of them who are active strong, intelligent Democrats saying, oh, I hope we don't get into this accountability It's a distraction Focus on affordability. Don't go hard at Trump And I was like, are you kidding me? And they were like, Well, you know, we impeached him before and what did it do? And I was like, Well, actually the first impeachment helped influence His loss in twenty twenty Let's remember that, you know But there is a movement among some establishment Democrats not to focus on accountability. and there's a movement among u rising Democrats like Talor Rico and some of the more progressive Democrats Um to focus on accountability. and that's that's a story to watch because if they focus on accountability, if the investigations happen It's not going to be just Trump. It's going to be Trump and Don Jr. and Eric and Jared and Baron and you know, Ivanka and Steve Witcooff and his kids and Howard Lutnik and his kids because corruption in this government has become a family affair surely the Democrats must be trying to connect the corruption to taxpayers and the money that people put into the system, the American that the IRS is not set up as a place for American politicians and their friends to loot Well, that's right. And you know the average American who is sitting there going, I can't afford a full tank of gas or I can't afford to buy food Or I just got kicked off of health care because the Obamacare subsidies went away is saying the president made billions of dollars by being president His family is making hundreds of millions of dollars through these side deals that can't be fair. and I think You know, it cuts to what to me is the core issue in the coming election and in the twenty twenty eight election and that is Most Americans believe and that's the reason they elected Donald Trump, but it didn't work. fix it Most Americans believe the system is rigged against They believe the system works for rich and powerful people doesn't work for them. And that doesn't mean, know Dmocratic socialists have all the answers. Anybody who goes and solves problems for real people listens to real people and solves our problems. is going to be seen as the antidote to a system that doesn't seem to give a shit. And that's That's where the political you know, all these people talk about labels and this and left or right. All of it's meaningless. People just want a government that in some way is going to be responsive to them U and you know, in nineteen thirty two, Franklin Roosevelt ran And you know, it was in the middle of the depression. And what he said was, we want to make the government work people And that you know was a watershed moment. And you know, John F. Kennedy ran in nineteen sixty and he said, we want to make the government respond to a new generation And I think That was a message that you've heard subsequently from Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. and somebody's going to make Be the one to connect and deliver the message that I actually can make a difference in your life And I will care more about you than I will care about Elon orr I'll care about Eric and Don Jr. or Peter Teal or N. Well, the other thing I wanted to ask you about was, I mean, not only did people elect the rigor in chief But they also elected someone who blames other people. So the other Supreme Court decision, which came down last week meant that Haitians and Syrians got got stripped of their temporary protective status, which means that there are three hundred fifty thousand people living in the country who could be deported. They're going to be given the choice to either be deported or to reapply for a status which they in all likelihood won't get And because they're Haitian and because they're Syrian There's a sort of sense in which they're more identifiable than if these were Europeans or white South Africans who at the moment appear to have the only asylum status coming to the US. Does this also become an election issue? I mean, we have Mark Wayne Mullen on CNN on Sunday talking about how These people now are going to be offered the opportunity to go home, they're going to get a ticket and they're going to get twenty thousand one hundred dollars to help them settle back either in Haiti or in Syria Or do you think that People won't care if they get sent home. I mean, three hundred fifty thousandonestly, think I think people will care. and you could tell when the decision came down. and it was It was a ridiculous decision where they dismissed the idea that there were racial undertones to what the president said evenven though he said, you know, Haitians eat cats and dogs, right? And Justice Kagan had a footnote to the decision, which is extremely powerful. People should read it in which she enumerates all the racial undertones to this whole thing. And as you say You know, one of the ones she enumerates is He refers to shithole countries and he refers to Haitians eating cats and dogs. and he says, the people we would like to have in our country are people from Norway or D.ight. And it's like, well, what did they have in common, right? It's not herring It's that they're white. It's not hering. And it's not. It's not herring But and they're eating the herings, they're eating the herings Yeah, it's good and it's good for them. But, you know, it's like letting the South African whites who are at risk of anti white farmer genocide, which is not a thing, right Elon put it in his header and H you have it Mark Wayne Mullin bragging about it Trump at the same time did a true social saying, we're deporting more people than ever. And yet protesting this. Mike Deeline, the Republican, conservative Republican governor of Ohio, says this is terrible. These are people who contribute to our communities large groups, including Republicans in Florida, where Haitians have settled and are vital parts of population of Dade County and every ever you know, the the the economic underpinnings of the entire state. They're like, no, if these people go away, it will cost us dramatically h And I think we're at that point where people are seeing goodood members of their community, torn out of their community. R remember, Trump said, we're going to get the worst of the worst as it turns out A tiny fraction of the people who get deported were actually ever committed. Well, and in fact, statistically, immigrants commit fewer crimes than people who are who've lived here for you know. And generations And also there's an economic cost because they contribute taxes. they contribute to the the government and U it will actually net net cost the United States. on an ongoing basis to deport these people And so yeah, I think that's going to be an issue I think again, I think the issue is You know, the old favorite. Am I better off today than I was four years ago? Am I better off today than I was before Donald Trump And when you say, am I, you mean Am I making more money? Is my job more secure? Is my family being taken better care of? But also How's my community How's the community am I living in or are is the infrastructure better or worse? A the schools better or worse? Are we safer or are we less safe Are my neighbors feeling good or are my neighbors not feeling good? U And you know, I think the message that Donald Trump is sending right at the moment is the is the is the one that he accidentally, the truth he accidentally told a couple of weeks ago When he said, I don't care about the price of gasoline. I don't care about the inflation, right? Right. I don't care about I don't care about inflation Of course, he doesn't. He's a billionaire and he doesn't really care about inflation. The average American cares And this is this is the div the dividing line issue in US politics always is Do the candidates credibly seem to care. incredibly seem to have the kind of character where they can actually do something about U, And I think within the Democratic Party, there is this sort of subset where people are worried about some of the leadership who act incrementally and are too inclined to compromise, and they feel that hasn't worked And the reason people are critical of that is it hasn't worked for them And they want people going to stand up and fight. because they think that's the only thing that's going to start fixing some of these big problems the real people have And so, you know, Donald Trump lives on the planet, Trump in his golden D'. Apart from the world delusional, demented, declining figure who is making everybody's life worse except for his friends and his cronies And the rest of us are figuring out now what do we do about that And I, you know, that's, you know, where what are we? four and a half months from the election in a matter of weeks, we're going to go to the polls and we're going to determine whether we want to keep going with a guy who is disconnected every possible way from the American people is Twist it to form in his character, or do we want to take another course And you know, the poll suggest peopleeople want to take another course David Rokoff, what are way to spend a Monday, rousing conclusion. What do we do about this? We podcast about it, we talk about it, we excite people about it. There is this new group of moderate House Democrats who've written this letter saying, I think it's called the prromise to America saying We're capitalists, we're not communists in response to the democratic socialists Okay, this is not a group, okay This is Tom Swazy and some other guys And they're saying, oh, yeah, we're capitalists, we're not socialists because What? Well, because I think their donors are saying to them, Ohh my God Oh my god We have to protect capitalism at all costs because we're actually corporate Democrats. U And I you know, I just think people are freaking out over the wrong thing. David, what a resounding start to the week. I can't wait to discuss the rest of the Supreme Court decisions with you next week. And what are you doing for july the fourth? Writing articles for the day. Excellent way to spend your time, sir. Ecellent I have to say we're coming up on july fourth two hundred fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence And the contrast between what they had in mind and what we've got right now is striking infuriating nauseating. and so extreme as to be almost unbelievable Because we have this would be king. And he's a lunatic Edie's a thief And he is abusing people And he's doing almost every single thing who started this country set was a problem. And if you go, take the Declaration of Independence Rate it twenty seven grievances in the Declaration of Independence. they had with King George. seventeen or eighteen of them in a conservative count All twenty seven in a in a more generous cap work for Donald Trump in the way that they worked for George I ThI. And so You know, the president's commemorations and nonsense and the state fair and You know, nobody's showing up at his concert series except C Patel's g and Lee Greenwood, don't forget Lee Greenwood. Yeah. well, yeah, no, he's he's the other one is proud to be Mega but All of this stuff is happening. And they're flops But there is a big thing happening on july fourth, which we all should reflect on, which is really worth reflecting on And that is We've got to fight this Revolution all over again You know, if we're going to go and live up to those traditions and that with this where this is that we are not guaranteed the outcomes that they talked about. have Democracy is something you have to do every day. And so to me, that's what we got to focus on. And so we'll try to help focus on that. And I will say when I look at you like this, because of the way your white t shirt is sitting and the shape of the earphones, you look like a figure from two hundred fifty years ago. It makes you look as if you've got one of those old powdered wigs on. It's a strange a. It's a very strange a Anyway, David, I will talk to you after july the fourth And as you say, democracy is the thing we have to fight for every day know, they really could have used a Jewish signatory to the Declaration of. There is no Slomo, Washington, that we really needed to David Roothkop. That's why we love doing a podcast with you. I will see you next Monday. Enjoy your well, I will enjoy reading more of your columns for the Daily Beast where you can be found several times a week writing passionate, brilliantly argued, packed with information columns that are beautifully writt Thank you so much. Enjoy your holiday. Welcome back to America. Thank you. Thank you. I will say I was very glad to land back on American soil Yes because we have air condition. Well, you've air conditioning you've air conditioning, but also you forget that everybody I think fantasizes Europe and thinks that it's just, you know, very chic people with short haircuts sitting around drinking little cups of coffee. But actually people in Europe are pretty depressed too. Yeah. And there's a big debate now in France where you were where the right is taking the position that they need more airc. Yeah If I were a political party right now, I would be taking that too It all about the pro air conditioners Free free air conditioners for everybody. In the past four days in France, I think fourteen hundred people have I mean some insane number. It was actually like being caught in someone else's fever. It was as if you took on the mantle of an ill person. It was so unbearably hot It was quite strange. you just sat there and sweated And On Saturday night, we went out for dinner. I was staying with my older son and we went out for dinner with a colleague of his and he'd booked the restaurant specifically because it had AC. He'd looked through whatever the Yelp was in French, L Yelp And u lookooked for restaurants with AC. and when we got there, we were led upstairs to the sort of open attic of the restaurant. and of course, the AC had broken So we sat upstairs with all the risen heat, had a delicious meal, but nevertheless, sweat pouring down us. It was It was something to beheold. Anyway, it's following us here now, but as you say, we have air conditioning Yeah, this week is gonna to be brutal. It's always brutal, David in New York, it's just a different kind of brutality. Excellent to see you. Talk to you next Monday I love our Monday conversations with David Roskop. He's so well informed, He talks to so many people and he has such a strong point of view. Anyway, if you have been, big thank you for joining us. 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