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Well, I hope you like my little song book direct at choysotels dot com There are so many Physical manifestations of the corruption of this administration. overver two billion dollars that the Trump family has benefited over the last year and a half But then but then there's all these physical manifestations of it. the huge A UFC cage it was a record on the South lawn The demolishing of the the East wing And that was actually that was a turning point. you don't want to spend over a billion dollars for a gilded ballroom and people twenty million Americans are at risk of losing their health carere I'm Joanah Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. And the last time you saw Congressman Jason Crow, he was filleting Pete Higsess, the secretary of is it war? Is it defense? Who knows what is the secretary of? The Pocket square? The secretary of the Pocket square. Anyway, Jason Crow is back with us to discuss because he's the recipient of a bronze medal and he's a member of the House Armed Services Committee and the Intelligence Committee, and he's on a subcommittee of Sperintelligence What do he thinks of the Iran deal? the memo of understanding? Whse understanding is it? Because the Iranians and the Americans seem to have a different understanding of it and his new cus that hes set up to investigate the president's GIift. So let's get into it before we do, I just want to remind you we're almost seven hundred thousand subscribers, please please show your support for independent media. The very reason we can bring you these conversations, which aren't happening everywhere across the media actually, is because of your support. Okay, let's get into it Congressman Crow. Jason Crow, Congressman You're a recipient of the Bonze Star. You've done several tours, including Iraq and Afghanistan What do you make of the memo of understanding? Well, first of all, this war should never have started, right? What's really clear after three combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan Over five trillion dollars spent by American taxpayers, over seven thousand Americans gave their lives. Five trillion. Yeah, five trillion. Incredible. Nobody knows that sum. Why don't people talk about that sum? It is unbelievable. This is This is about opportunity cost, right? Like if you choose to do something, you're choosing not to do other things Right? R for five trillion dollars over twenty years we could have built a public health care system in America. We could have rebuilt our schools, We could have given our teachers the pay that they deserve we could have done we could have built out a new energy economy Like we could have done so many things, but instead we chose to go to these wars, which both ended poorly, right? We spent this money to replace the Taliban with The Taliban and Afghanistan. Right right. And to have things generally in poorly in Iraq for ISIS to sweep into control and for now Iranian proxies to control much of Iraq. Listen, Americans see all this, by the way which is exactly why Donald Trump campaigned on Like he campaigned on ending these wars. Right? Because you saw that the American working class world Americans who did the fighting and dying largely We're over it And I'm over it So and then he stumbles into yet another war. Actually stumbles not the right word. He starts actively another war So it never should have started. Do you think I mean, Hillary Clinton's been out talking about how Bibi Netanyahu who was always trying to strong arm the Obama administration into going into Iran We appear to be significantly worse off than we were with the JCPOA agreement Um anythingy that we have benefited from this war. We're not better off now than we were even in February, let alone at the start of the first Trump administration when they tore up the JCPOA Right? So here's where we are now We have spent about one hundred billion dollars in the last three months on this war thirirteen American service members have given their lives Over four hundred had been wounded Vast amounts of our infrastructure have been destroyed throughout the Middle East. Our allies don't trust us and have walked away from us. We've lost respectability in the eyes of the world. Iran has realized that they now can leverage control of the straits in a way that they didn't realize before. They now have the ability to charge tolls, which they didn't before Uh and and and they know that all they have to do is dig in and just wait us out Right? There's a saying there was a saying in Afghanistan. that applies throughout much of the Middle East And the Afghans used to say The Americans have all the clocks and we have all the time The Americans have all the clocks that we have all the time. so they can just wait us out. That's right. Yeahah, that's a great expression, actually. You hang out obviously in DC all the time. What are your Republican colleagues saying behind closed doors about this? Because this isn't good for them either. I mean, obviously you're a Democrat, you represent a suburban area of Denver, But it's hard to imagine that this is good for any politician trying to sell this Donald Trump war. In most of my family are conservative and most actually support Donald Trump, which is, you know, awkward at times. You know. I bet that makes for very odd Thanksgiving day. Yeah I was just gonna say like my focus groups are called Thanksgiving. so I I save a lot of money in that respect my campaign But u you know, um This is this is the this is the vibe here I have historically been one of the most bipartisan members of Congress. In my first couple of terms, I was in the top ten, not ten percent, top ten seventy five percent of my bills I introduced with with a Republican because I want to pass them. I want to legislate. I want to actually do things. I'm not here just to send out sensational tweets and get get, you know, more followers I came here to actually legislate. So I believe in that project. I believe in bipartisanship, but it's broken right now. It's broken because largely because the Republican partarty has capitulated Donald Trump. They have given up on bipartisanship and governing just to keep their jobs and do whatever Donald Trump tells them to do And then they'll tell me behind closed doors and I have a lot of relationships. I talk to them a lot Now tell me, o, I don't really like Trump. He's He's terrible. He shouldn't do this. He shouldn't do that Um, And then I say, well, then say that publicly and they say, well, I'm not going to say that publicly because then He'll beat up on me. And then I say Well, then I don't care I just don't I just don't care what do you think anymore If you're not willing to say this publicly or come out, If you know What you have to do And you know the right thing to do and you're choosing not to do it that I'm sorry. I can't and don't want to help you Doid they ever say to you that they think he's you know he's obviously eighty? Do they say that they think he's of sound mind? I mean, do you hear conversations Because obviously across social media and in the media, there's endless speculation that he has dementia. We can see that his health isn't great, he has chronic venous insufficiency, has terrible bruising on his hands swes frantically in the middle of the night, which seems very paranoid behavior. and clearly he has sleep disorders, which we've tracked the Daily Beast, But when you're hanging around and you're just all talking informally or you're at the gym or something, is there a sort of level of which people are discussing this Yeah, yeah. I don't think they mean, I've never had I'm just trying to think. I don't have a conversation where I go into the medical diagnosis or the medical issues, but A lot of them clearly think he's not well. know physically and mentally, But again, they're not willing to do anything about it Right And then this is the this is the bottom they have made a conscious decision that What's what's most important right now because he has a he still has a grasp on the mega base of the party Um and, you know, the primaries show pretty clearly that, you know, if you want to win your primary You got to You got to play Kate Donald Trump So that's what they're doing. Which actually is why it goes to my kind of larger point that if we want to change the nature of politics, if we want to fix this You have to A get rid of gerrymandering nationally Right? Like across the board, not a I' patchwork of different states so that we, you know, have the gerrymandering wars like we're we're having right now But like, you know, across the board, national prohibition on gerrymandering and then open primaries. like in Colorado We have open primaries So independence can choose to vote either way. and that's a That's a huge moderating function Right?m The extremes of either party really have as big of a voice because, you know, fifty five percent roughly of Coloradans who are independent or unaffiliated they vote in their primaries So your point is that if there were just elections and independents could vote. you wouldn't have both parties And we saw this with the Democratic Party last night. really, u over influenced by the by the edge cases. So you have the Trump, obviously for MAGA, and then you have the Dmocratic socialists for the well, for the Democrats. Yeah, that's right. there's a whole swath of Americans, probably eighty percent who feel disenfranchised. Because in the House of Representatives, we have four hundred and thirty five seats, right? Only about forty are actually swing ski seats ten percent, less than ten percent of the seats are true Swing seeat swats that can go either way. The rest our safe seats Right? And how does that create an environment of collaboration How does that create an environment where people are incentivized to work together to figure things out in Colorado, we have automatic voter registration We have mail in voting Right And we have open primaries. You don't have to affiliate with a party. You actually receive both ballots in the mail. You choose which party you want to vote for and which ballot you want to send in And what's amazing about that? we actually implemented this about fifteen years ago No one party benefits more than the other when you implement those That's so interest me. In Colorado, voter participation went up for everybody It went up equally for Republicans and Democrats. So more people engaged in the process than both sides And we have the second highest voter participation in the country in Colorado How is that not a good thing? Last time we talked to you had just basically filleted The defefense seecretary for what you felt was a conflict of interest with one of his advisers. We seem to have heard less from Secretary Hgsus over the last few weeks. Do you think he survives this war So far, he seems to be right there the man Husand the man was not hired to be Secretary of defefense. He was hired to play the Secretary of defefense on TV Right? And he's very good at that Um, you know, and he understands that his job is to tap dance for a party of one Btrum Right That is that is in his mind, his job Uh And you know, it appears right now he does that well He he, you know, kisses the ring. bends the knee frequently and he says and does the things that Donald Trump likes to see in here. R Donald Trump spends most of his days, as far as you know, most people can tell. Wing TV Right? And Pete Hagseth knows that And he goes on TV and he just feeds Donald Trump a steady diet. of what Donald Trump likes to see in hear uh and and that seems to be working for him. So do you think that JD Vance is being set up as a fool guy having been presented with the peace deal to bring home I don't have to think that. Literally, Donald Trump said that. Tump literally went on TV and he said, wow I don't know if this deal is good or not I'm going to send JD Vance to sign it so that if it's bad, then he takes the he takes the fall for it. Donal Trump said that on TV. Like I know it's remarkable, isn't it? It is remarkable What are you hearing from your fellow Republican congressman about JD vouts. Do they think he's being set up for a fall? I mean, I take your point about Donald Trump saying that. Yeah, they they do. They do. Yeah. yeah. and he routinely gets the the worst jobs, right? Like Yeah when when u when there's something nobody else wants to do where that seems like you know, a failing situation. They kind of send JD in, right? Like they send JD into Hungary Right to campaign for Orbon right before Orbon got crushed in the elections Uh, they they, you know, they snd him over to sign this MOU, which, you know, is actually really unpopular on the right as much as it is on the left Um They, you know, they gave him this this kind of made up job as the ar the anti fraud czar u which You know, nobody really knows what it is and what it does Um, so yeah, meanwhile, um, Marco Rubio You know seems to be kind of winning this this you know, shadow war within the administration for who's going to be the heir apparent to Mega and Trump in the post Trump world Well and we can't forget they sent him to meet the Pope and then the Pope died the next day. So that was I for JD Ps So you're spending a lot of time in Washington What is it like watching the physical environment of Washington change? Do you think that people mind about the East Wing, which as we know, was sort of demolished basically in the dead of night? When you're walking around and people talk about it, You know, the reflecting pool, have you been down there to see the dead paint floating to the surface? Yeah Yeah Yeah, it's wild really because there are so many Physical manifestations of the corruption of this administration. You know, in the past, it would be almost kind of abstract and ethereal, right? Like some kind of fraud scheme or something like and that stuff still happens actually in spades, right? Like most of the corruption just quantitatively is that type of stuff. You know, the pay to play operations, how they monetize the government and they're setting up all their buddies and cronies in the over two billion dollars that the Trump family has benefited overver the last year and a half But then but then there's all these physical manifestations of it and you mentioned them, right? The East wing Um, the the huge UFC cage was erected on the south lawn, the demolishing of the The East wing. And that was actually a that that was a turning point, I think, in people's view of the conduct of this administration when he demolished the East Wing and people on both sides. of the the spectrum really dislike that Right? Be that that is, you know, it's a sacred place for Americans Right? And we're not against you know, reform or repair But you just don't go in there and trash it without a plan. And of course, you don't want to spend over a billion dollars for a gilded ballroom and people are twenty million Americans are at risk of losing their health care At least, you know, most normal people don't And when you and when you again, when you talk to your Republican colleagues, are they anxious about this too? Because so many Republicans are, you know, deeply conservative. They love the city of Washington. They can't like watching this. these changes either and they can't be playing well in their constituency. Yeah, it's not. I mean, they're getting beat up in their constituents and they should most them a whole bunch of them are going to lose And and I'm actually making sure Um, and and doing a lot of work to send them home because they they're they're they're getting crushed by their constituents as well they should. Right? and those are that's those who are actually doing public events. Many of them have stopped doing town halls and public events. because they know they can't face their constituents anymore because it's gotten so bad for them. notot just health care, but tariffs You know, the tariff wars have destroyed small businesses, destroyed farmers and ranchers. and all sorts of other industries. So They are now avoiding their constituents because they're the situation that they have designed for themselves, the bed that they have made that they now to sleep in. is they have supported an administration that has done things that have devastated their constituents And they've done that just to placate Donald Trump and the mega base. and now they've set up a situation where they're damned either way And they should be. So we're going to send those folks home, you know, we're going to beat them in the midterms and and hopefully bring you know, a new generation of folks in They kind of reset things. That's my hope and get us get us past this dark phase Do you think that Donald Trump has become I mean, what we're hearing is that Donald Trump has become completely obsessed by the reflecting pool, that he can't think about anything else. he can't talk about anything else. He can't believe it's gone wrong, that the American flag blue hasn't worked, that ducks are dying in the in the pool and that As we've seen, people are being arrested for simply going down to the pool to take a look at this American treasure and put their hands in the water and sort of see them, you they come out and they're covered in algae Do you think he's become obsessed by it Of course, where Donald Trump is obsessed by by physical manifestations of his of his strength and power. Like he is a weak ble insecure map and weak, feeble, insecure people want to demonstrate their power by being a bully Right? He often punches down. He's a bully He almost never punches up He punches down. For where is the up to go? Jason, if you're the American president Can you punch up? Well, you can at least punch across to like China China and Russia, right? Our biggest adversaries and competitors Right? But he placates them all the time China and Russia are largest challengers and adversaries and competitors That posed the biggest challenge to us not just from a national security perspective, but from an economic perspective. L that is great power competition right now And he ignores that largely Right he's done very little u to comombat China And he's actually emboldened Russia You know, But what does he do He talks about Greenland. He talks about, you know, Mexico. he talks about Venezuela. He goes to war with Iran. he's constantly trying to pick off what he thinks are the most vulnerable situations in people. And and now As he gets more feeble and weaker and more insulated as his world gets smaller, we see him more focused on H art more focused on the reflecting pool, these physical manifestations of of his power and his influence You know, fading empires focus on u statues. in ceremony Strength takes different forms. L I am a Teddy Roosevelt speak softly and carry a big stick person And as we're talking about the Roosevelts, another great American president, FDR Right? which But you know helped us win the Second World War,, you know, the nineteen thirties Reonstruction you know, legislation got us out of the Great Depression. as he was because he was ailing and on his death bed He was asked famously What do you want to honor you? And he put his hands on his desk and he says, I don't want a monument bigger than this desk Right And there's actually a monument. in DC That's the size of his desk Now later on, we built a huge, huge monument to, you know, a multiple acre thing, but That that was his mentality, right? Like He wanted to be remembered by what he did and how he helped people and That is how he viewed his greatness, not some monument What do you think about the arch Well, I think it's an abomination Right? Like no nobody wants this. Right? other than Donald Trump It's going to cost tremendous amounts of money And even worse What it's going to do is obscure the view as you're driving over the potomac of Arlington National Cemetery As you're driving over the potomac Twards Arlington, you see this view of Arlington National Cemetery and you can see the graves our most sacred, this is our most sacred place as a nation where we have laid to rest our foall My brothers and sisters. I know people Right? And you see Th those gravestones. And that those hillsides speak for themselves that that is service and sacrifice right there and what Donald Trump wants to do is he wants to build an arch. to himself. named after himself cover up Those hillsides in that view I can't think of anything more Revolting and I also can't think of anything more symbolic. of Donald Trump's view of himself in this nation and what leadership meets So you've talked about the grift of Donald Trump too, and you've now set up a new, is it a committee? It's a working party to try and understand the level of corruption that's going on in DC. And as you say, we have the physical manifestations of it. But so much of it seems to be going on behind closed doors. We see the family benefiting. How you know, how are you planning to do this? Yeah, so it's a caucus, which is kind of like a congressional club Right? We form these caucuses. And I did it with Alexandro O Castio Cortez and Mike Levin from New York and California respectively And we wanted to do it for a couple of reasons. Number one, let our colleagues know, put pressure on our colleagues that there are things you can do right now today. as a member of Congress an elected official. You don't need to pass a bill. You don't need to legislate, no big reform agenda, but you can just decide to do things, act in ways that show your commitment to ending corruption Like all of us, for example, have sworn off corporate pac money. Like we don't take any corporate pac money. I never have. and what that does is send a very clear message to our constituents that we're not listening to big companies or lobbyists, but We're listening to them I post my public meeting schedule on my website so people can see where I'm going, what I'm doing, who I'm meeting with. So there are just things you can do in act in certain ways Tod and we're trying to elevate that so their constituents can can ask their members and force their members to do the same thing That's number one. numberumber two support each other's legislation. I have multiple reform bills that end and the influence of dark money and corrupt money in our politics. So we're going to support each other's bills and legislation And then the third is start working together to create an oversight agenda. So if we retake power, We can actually go after corruption go after all this money that's being wasted, American taxpayer money that's being wasted onrupt. projects and contracts and we can actually coordinate O oversight ose are kind of the three things we're looking to do So we used to have in New York City where I live, there used to be a huge of the national debt. and it was obviously just going up and up and up. Many people have said to me, why isn't there a version of that that the Democrats are doing so that we can see the amount of money that Donald Trump is making from this second presidency and we can see what his family is making from this presidency. Everything that you describe sounds incredibly worthy, important work, but it doesn't have the immediacy of connecting the population to one of the things that appears to be going on that you feel people would be very concerned about. I mean, to your point about service, Donald Trump has never really pretended he's about service. In fact, he's frequently complained that he's lost money by becoming president, or he certainly did, he says in his first term. So his second term is determined to help himself. Yeah. Is there not a more effective way of drawing people's attention to this? Yeah. there I love that idea, Joanna. I'm going to talk to people, but that is actually a that's a great idea It's a great idea. We need We need to be simple, we need to be clear and we need to be consistent, right? repepetition and simplicity is really important. Democrats traditionally are not great at messaging at communicating, right? Because you know U we get in our own way. we go to to in the weeds And that's not to say that being focused on policy isn't important. I actually think the opposite. I think policy is really important and I'm actually a policy wonk myself. I'm a policy nerd. Yeah, when you're when you're campaigning and building coalitions, people think in broad ideas And u values Right and belonging, right? And that's kind of the the conversation we're in as a country like we're What is our identity? Where do we belong? What is our future? What is the vision? of this country. Wh are we? whoo do we want to be Right? And that is the preliminary discussion that we need to have. and the person or people or party that can articulate that positive proactive vision. for how to move our country Forward. but will win the day Right? whichich is which is why I've been talking about And I have proposed this notion of a new American patriotism. Right? U a new type of patriotism that doesn't sweep under the rug All of our failings all of our missteps All of the things we haven't done well and the fact that we have not fulfilled the more perfect union yet. but embraces that and has an honest discussion about it But at the same time can make people proud of the fact that we have resiliency in can self correct. Only a Democrat could talk about the new patriotism and then start with a list of all the things that America hasn't done right. One of the discussions I hear all the time from Democrats is why isn't the party just reclaiming the flag? Why is it that the Republicans seem to have made off with the stars and stripes And I just wondered if you know july the fourth is coming, it's two hundred and fifty years since obviously the country officially began don't the Democrats have a sort of you know, two fifty across a Dmocratic version of of the stars and stripes. Well, because we need to do both, right? And you know, you had mentioned only a Democrat could could start with a list of things that haven't done we haven't done well. Yeah. because That's the way Americans are feeling right Right? Americans are losing their health carere They can't afford to buy homes They know that their kid's life is going to be harder and less secure than their life Pe, the American dream broken for a lot of Americans And if we don't recognize that, if all we want to do is celebrate and wave the flag, then that is toned dea and we're not getting it. And people are like, well, wait a minute. like my farm just is going under Like I'm just losing my home right now. I just lost my health carere and we want to have a big celebration. So My point is we need to do both of those things. You need to be able to say Yes we and look at our political system, which is badly broken Right? So you have to acknowledge that and you have to be honest about it. and You can do the other thing too. you can also say Yeah, we have moments of greatness Right? Our country is always a competition between our highest ideals and our worst impulses Right And when our highest ideals went out We are great Like we do things that nobody else can do And we have an ability for self correction and resiliency in moving forward and fixing things that I haven't seen any placeace else in the world So I don't see either of those things as mutually exclusive. and that to me is the new American patriotism So we've talked a little bit about Donald Trump's grift Clearly his extended family appear to be getting in on the action too. How can you draw people's attention to that? I talk about it all the time. So I'm around I go around the country. I'm the battleground chair for House Democrats. So I'm traveling the country, supporting our red to blue candidates. You know in the last couple of weeks, I've been campaigning in Virginia and New York. I've gone to Michigan twice, Wisconsin, Illinois, Arizona California multiple times. I am canvassing this country to help us win And I am constantly talking about it. what I always say, you always have to couple it. You just can't talk about corruption in an abstract way R? because it's just not It's just not a real to folks if you just talk about some abstract corruption. you have to tie it Right? And you have to make it clear that what's happening is what corruption is is theft from American taxpayers. Right. this is our money. Yeah. it's their money. and guess what So you're losing your home They get a new golden ball rover. Your farm is going under, they get a fleet of new private planes. You can't afford healthcare and they're building a big arc. Uh, and no bid contracts. to Trump cronies for the reflecting poool. They're taking your money. And this is money that should be in your pocket to help you pay the bills to reduce the cost of your health carere. So we are directly tying it because it is directly tied to the suffering of Americans Stay Congressman, final question. assuming that the House returns to the Democrats in November Where are you on investigations? And what do you think the way forward is to hold people accountable for some of the fraw and mrift and the corruption that you've just talked about Yeah Well, absolutely, we have to do this. There's just no question in my mind, right? Because This isn't just All right or some option It's actually our duty to do this the Constitution This duty. in Congress L the Congress exists in a structured to legislate to appropriate money and to conduct oversight and to do investigations to make people are following the law. Those are our roes. why Congress exists So I am not going to actually not do our job as the Constitution requires Um I'm not going to turn away from our job is what I'm saying I'm going to do our job and I'm going to do what the Constitution says We should do That's number Who's going to be who are the top three people that you most want to investigate as of now Well, I don't know, there's so many, but we have we have to have a plan. to your larger point is we just can't Do everything right away Right? We have to make sure we have a plan that is strategic, that it goes after the worst corruption and the corruption that's most impacting our national security and the integrity of our government And we have to sequence that. right? If you try to do everything at once It collapses under its own weight And we won't have the resources and we won't have the ability to do it and it'll get lost in the mix Right? So we have to make sure that we are balancing our affirmative agenda to reduce costs, to save people's health carere which is going to be our priority to fix the integrity of our election system Uh that, um, thatve I've talked about before and and do the do the oversight. Right. So that is a leadership function. We have to figure out how we balance those and how we sequence them mee personally how we started this conversation Pete Hegseth is short on my list Right? The corruption of this man, the incompetence of this man. and why I think about that is because I started my career in public service in uniform So I have a special place in my heart for our serviceen and women. And the incompetence of this man is putting them at great, great risk date every single day and this country at great risk. because there's somebody sitting here in charge of millions of uniform serervicemen and women and millions of civilian employees is responsible for our national security And he doesn't give a damn about doing the job. And he doesn't know how to do the job So yes, I'm going to continue to go after Pete Hegsheath I do think some kind of national ticker with the amount of money that's being snaffled somehow from taxpayers would be a very appealing way of reminding people that Taxpayers' money needs to be accounted for. That is what Congress is for, and yet Congress doesn't here to be able to do its job and they're spending three hundred fifty million dollars in DC revamping the environments when as we know, people are losing benefits all over the place. Anyway, if you've enjoyed this conversation, please let us know. What are your thoughts on what Congressman Crow has said? Do you think they're doing enough? Do you think they should be doing investigations if the Democrats win the midtertermss? And if so, would Pete Higgser be the person you'd go after? would you go after the president? Who would you go after first? Okay, write and let us know. and in the meantime, if you have been big thanks for joining us and a big thank you to our production team, Ryan Murray, John Romero, Heather Passaro, Rachel Passa and Neil Rosenhouse. So the good news is we have so many be Beast tier members now. there are too many names to read out and we really appreciate your support Ryan Reynolds here from MidMobile, with a message for everyone paying Big wireless way too much. Please for the love of everything good in this world, stop With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just fifteen dollars a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird. 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