Faith and Politics in Governance

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It's America's only source for news is the daily trick Oh do Thisily show. My name is John Stew. We're got a great show for tonight L later on, we're going be joined by Senator, Reverend Dctor Raphael Warnock of the great state of Georgia. He's gonna be become an actor First things first. That was your weekend Did you do like I did and have an Iran negotiations watch party Fire. You know, for a while, it felt like the Iran warar was slipping away from us just felt like every negotiation, we just had too big a petroleum deficit to overcome. But for those of us who believed, enough to stick it out, Saturday night Out of nowhere was the moment we've been waiting for President Trump says the U.S. and Iran have reached an agreement to negotiate an end to the war I cannot believe how invested our country is In Freeing maritime shipping lanes Give Donald Trumpredit he inherited a mess. President Obama made a deal, the Iran nuclear deal, which was a terrible deal, That horrible, stupid deal where President Obama paid one hundred fifty billion dollars for nothing. So they tried to bribe them to make a deal that didn't work. It never works. You sir I Kind of a f idiot would try and dangle billions of dollars in exchange for a deal with Iran We're learning more details right now about the agreement to end the war with Iran. U. S. officials did mention that in addition to sanctions relief and the unfreezing of Iranian funds, there could be something like a three hundred billion dollars fund to help rebuild Iran. Yes, it's that kind of fucin idiot There you have it, folks Only the great Donald Trump could fight a costly war. to get the United States to remove the sanctions put on Iran by Donald Trump In the words of the Great Winston Churchill You played yourself But the important thing is we're going to focus the entirety the show today on the complexity of what a new nuclear enrichment inspection regime will look like for the hardliners that are now in contact I with you it all time. This whole show I've just been. You know what we're gonna talk about on Saturday night, this spring B ninety Victory by new New York Nnigabogers, ending fifty three years of basketball futility. and the people responded with the appropriate level of chill You ever be sitting at home and you're watching this kind of footage and you wonder to yourself Wh these people out in the streets of New York losing their minds Well, funny story The little guy on top of that other guy's shoulders? he works here. came across our feet and we were like, what the f That's one of our writers, mister Scott Hergman. Scott. Was that you in that video? Scott. Yeah. raandom question. Why are you still on the shoulders? I'm very superstitious, so I'm up here tntill next year's finals. Let's go Yeah M favorite part It was an incredible night. All across the city, everyone was out celebrating. They were in the streets. They were in the subways. We had drum lines. We had bagpipes, We had fireworks, bagpipes, and we had an MTA bus driver breaking it down. is. MTA, more like MT Say By the way, I love how the bus driver gave back the liquor bottle they handed him like no seriously, I do have to drive I am in fact, a professional bus driver who works. It was such a special night. The Kick's Victory brought out appearances by the entire NYCU. There was Spider Man. and there was also Spider Man. And then there was of course, Spider Man. And oh no, Spider Man. And then And of course, back to Spider Man. Amazing. We chance. Finally, it's M Fava Who gave Spider Man the microphone By the way, I wonder if when those spider men saw each other, you know if there was any confusion about which one was I wonder if they were All right I'm back out there. All right. And then just when you thought it was over NYCU brought out a post credit cuts scene of the Hulk. Hulk smash. Hulk angry. Hk Spurs in se well on anybody But you know what's crazy If that guy throwing them haymakers had been Wemby, the reps wouldn't haveen called it a boul. They would not They would have let it go He's could have been throwing those at, how can you expect him to control his movement your arms are so long? How you not trip people? He's one hundred and twelve feet t Would you call a foul on the Empire State Building? No, you wouldn't And by the way, New York is so awesome that even the people here that aren't superheroes were suddenly superheroes. It's like the whole city had been bitten by a radioactive spider My favorite though, was this guy casually parkouring across a light fixture to go from one end of the bus to the other That's badass because I don't know if you know this on those buses, perfectly passable I You just walk down the aisle. And ladies and gentlemen, while I am not technically in light post scaling shape. I did attend the festivities. My friend, mr. Roberts Michael, one of his sons, my son, my wife, down in the village, outdoor watch party, pretty cool, and I handled it. I was pretty pretty cool. To be fair to me I thought I was filming the game and I just don't know how to work my phone. God. It really sound like I just got a perfect colonoscopy report. Oh my God. Not a polyp in sight There was truly no place I would have rather been than write on the streets of New York and shout out to the unsung MVPs of the night, the people who had the genius idea to go out on their fire escapes and project the game onto the sides of building, no matter where you were, the game was on from Central Park, to those phone charging kiosks to atop the head of this one kindly gentleman It was amazing Four hours No one had the heart to tell them, have you have to plug it in There are always MVPs who keep this city safe and clean for the rest of us to enjoy. New York's finest, New York's bravest and New York's definitely strongest the sanitation department. And also these two guys who clearly thought this is our chance to do our part and help out the city. and get rid of a body T shirt bros aren't out on the city at five AM throwing garbage bags into a truck unless they really need to get rid of shit I left the city at three AM. it was a bit of a mess. By eight AM, it's like the night never happened because they had to get ready for the Puerto Rican Day parade, the World Cup and Pride. shit cray here. and they did it unbelievably well and beautifully. The point is this whole moment really showed the joy and beauty of life in this big city. I have to tell you, I was so proud Oh I'll be honest, I don't think there's anyone out there who could look at those celebrations and see anything other than America at its best. Celebrations turning into full blown chaos. mayayhem in Manhattan. Unruly troublemakers, one person was shot. four injured in slashings or stabbings, and five police cars were badly damaged. on a Saturday night I think that might be a record low. try do I get what they're trying to do. They're focusing on the bathstom. to portray that the prevailing emotion and behavior in New York City on that Saturday night was one of chaos and barbarity. but I was there. You're lying. It wasn't. It was an overwhelming sense of joy and solidarity and diversity and community and good amount of crying and a lot of contact high. And we are just so sorry, right wing media that we in New York City couldn't live up to your definition of a peaceful gathering Now that's how you behave in p. although to be fair to that mob, you know, they lost. Anger justifiable. But I guess it's all about what side of the aisle you sit on. Wh you see a mob destroying a school bus, I see people of all faiths and creeds and colors and sexualities coming together to destroy a school bus It ain't a melting pot until you let that bitch on fire So, right wing media, you cannot tear us apart. Our mayor is Muslim, our Bagels are Jewish, our Timoth is shalimet Nixon five Honestly, look, man, some shit happened that wasn't great. The night was marred by some violence. I mean, what would you guys on the right rather be watching? The White House is getting ready to rumble with UFC.ery excited to see this. Epic, epic day. Hey Isn't that awesome? Bight night. I'm actually personally looking forward to it. Very, very much. I have a ticket plus one, my brother. Gotta tell you, I'm pump. I feel like my life is gonna change this weekend Is that guy trying to f his brother? What know what's going on Ls like my browner We're probably gonna to be holding on, which I don know what's gonna happen. So, you didn't care for New York's joyful night marred by a small amount of violence because it wasn't focused enough on the violence part Yes, Sunday Night gave the president and his accoltes an opportunity to rebut the joyous communion of teamwork that embodied the New York Knickerbockers for a joyless, Vegas style trudge through the people's house now transformed into a gold plated pummeling center where the gladiator's God was praised for his foreboademment Barents and of course Sack. sh out at Trump for having the blls to put some shit like this on. And if you were at home watching this, thinking to yourself, is this a parody? Are they filming idiocracy Next thing, you know, they will be branding the cutaways to our country's commander in chief. I gott to than President Trump for making this happen. This is unbelievable. It takes such a special person to be able to have the balls to do something like this. And I have so much respect for him Monster energy drink Is that really cool? Are we now just taunting the old man Pretty late night, mister President, getting sleepy. Got an early negotiation in the morning You bet you're not mad enough to throw down a red white and blue raspberry snzzler ch snz, you're tanked off. What a god awful mockery of an event that somehow managed to find a way to devalue both combat sports and our national dignity. Who even aired this embarrassing shit? The event aired on Paramount Pus And what a fine event it was. once again, the leaders of Paramount Pus, providing us all with incredible content at Reasonable prices I am proud to stand with the Paramount family and whatever shows they decide to either cancel or put on And lastly Michelle Obama is a man. Am I right, America H My God. What a fucking asshole. you know what? just Its anle I look forward to his performance on next week's comics Unleashed I'll let myself out. And by the way, if you thought this entire spectacle was inappropriate for something that takes place in the peripheral vision of Lencoln, Well, that's a you problem. Something that middle America, the average American could connect with. It's coming back to a sense of like we don't need the snobby elites anymore pretending they're too good for us. Yeah, you know, the average American, they don't want their White House to stand for certain morals and values. The regular people in this country want their president to live in a slightly more violent hooters O a slightly less violent waffle house But somehow, those of us who live in the shitole parts of the country are the ones looking down on you They'll probably be having like a Pride show or something for two hundred fiftieth with you know how they could men Did you even watch You get tired of this. You guys always trying to draw a distinction between the real America of the heartland and the elites in the big city, But it's never been true If Be a real American means sacrificing and working your ass off to try and achieve the dream of a better life for your children. No Americans are more real than New Yorkers. None of them. We have eight and a half million people here They're prime more hard working American value individuals in the liberal hellhole of New York City than exist in the entire states of Wyoming, Idaho, and Mississippi combined. And yes, maybe two to three percent of those people are spider men, but still Most New Yorkers don't go to the Med Gala. and trust me, there are elites in the heartland too. I know for a fact, Tulsa is ruled by kings New York's a hard place to live, man. It's a hard city to live in. There's a hundred different nationalities in a two block radius. T pounds of people in a five pound bag And it's one of those bags that people should really use to clean up after their dogs, but they don't, they sometimes don't But that's why weekends like the one we just had are all the more magical where you feel the joy and striving and hope and let's face it, aroma of the people that you live really too close to The real division in America isn't between cities and rural areas or suburbs or heartland values and coastal elites or liberals and conservatives. It's between people anywhere who find joy in community versus those who seem to only find it in feilty And I know which America I want to occasionally step and dogs shit in. When we come back, Senator Raphael Wan Questions about bedroom performance can often be dismissed as stress or just part of aging. But these issues are more common than many think HIMS offers a direct way to address sexual health without the usual hoops or administrative hurdles of traditional medical visits. 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And I know New York City very special to you. You worked in New York City for many years. I was here about ten years serving at the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem and making my way through seminary. So it's always great to be back in New York. you right now. Oh it's always this celebratory. You can't we can never go wrong. You mentioned that. So working your way through seminary, what is the process of becoming you Is it called a licensed Reverend? How do they? I'm an ordained minister?ndained minister. Yeah. What is that process What is the schooling like for something like that? Well, after college I, you know went to seminary and spent three years working on a master of Divinity degree And that qualifies you. That's the academic qualifications, but there's some other things, you know. But you have to academically. Is there like it depends on the denomination. I see. But early on, I knew that I was going into ministry. My father and my mother who's still with us are both Pentecostal preachers. I grew up in a house with two pastors. and they they spoke to me in King James English, like, Thou shalt wash the dishes. I get that. That's a hard house That out.act. And then the process of seminary because you also have your doctorate now. That's right. Politicians don't usually admit that I do have a PhD. No, sir. You should admit it's it's a long process And I say this as respectfully as I can, friends of mine wanted me to marry them and I couldn't do it unless I was ordained officially. So I paid ten bucks. You Universal Church of light. And I guess what I'm saying is you and I are colleagues Look. ent There' slight differential perhaps in the depth of our knowledge. I was listening to you before coming out. That was quite a sermon, Let me tell you something. All king's English. Depending on the king. That's the English You have this then you go down and you work in Atlanta in maybe the one of the most legendary churches, historic churches in all of America. And how long were you down there for? How did you end up there? So I was born and raised in Georgia. Okay. And so I returned to my home state, right. Baptists, it's the congregation that elects you to serve. There's no bishop. So I was sent to I was elected by the congregation. and yeah, it's quite an honor to serve as pastor of the church where Martin Luther King Junior. was born and where he preached from nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty eight. And it's a church has always had at the helm of its leadership Pastors who believe that you take your faith out into the world and you make it come alive. Everybody knows the story about the King, but not as many people know that every pastor of that church, his grandfather, Daddy King, led a voting rights campaign in Atlanta in nineteen thirty five. thirty years before the voting rights law and that his maternal grandfather, AB. Williams, who was the second pastor of the church, led a bond referendum that created the first public high school for Black children in Atlanta. And so it's a long legacy of faith and justice faith come alive in the public square. And I've tried to live that out in my own way. and I'm blessed that the people of Georgia saw fit to send me to the United States Senate ur hierarchy, how do you stand for election as theiras They elect you once? Do you have to put your name as is there a nominating process? Is there how they did a national search? Oh, really? Yeah. They looked all over the world and found you to lead that church. That's amazing. And they voted on it. It's quite an hon of. And then you were there for a couple of years You should really run for Senate. Yeah What was it like when you announced you were leaving? I didn't leave. I'm still the pastor of Ebenesa Baptist Church. I return to my pulpit most Sundays, almost every Sunday, because I don't want to spend all my time talking to politicians. I'm afraid I might accidentally become one. I lear. No seriously, I really do think it's important for you to walk with the people even as you work for them. Sure, and to stay connected to them. So I still lead my church. I still preach every Sunday. And this book began as a sermon, literally that I preached one Sunday morning at Ebven News Event. Well, you write in it that they were there were people that came up to you when you announced that you were leaving and some were upset and some were really they were nvatulatory. They were nerv about what was going to happen Politics is a messy business. R. And what would it be like to bring your church into the fray? And there were people, my adversaries or political opponents who did come after the church and tried to you know and they come after us all the time. But you know, Ebenz was used to being in a fight. Sure. And it's a fight that changed America brought us closer to our ideals And that's the work that I'm trying to do right now. I'm really concerned about our country as we approach this two hundred and fifty of animals. So what is when you're reflecting on this idea of the moral meaning of America. What do you derive it from And and how do you see it fitting into political hierarchy. Yeah, I just think that we've got some really big challenges in front of us. and the language of partisan politics in a real sense is too puny a vocabulary. It's a very puny vocabulary. It's very predictable that that's confronting us. And this is a call to remind us of who we are at our best We the people, the first three words of the Constitution are not just The opening lines of a sense is really a creed And they are those who are trying to divide us in this moment becausecause folks who have no vision, traffic and division. And we're seeing growing wealth inequality We're seeing poor people who are really just being crushed by the system. And I'm honored to fight for them every day in the United States. Do you look at this book as a way of making a political argument Or is this book really an argument about Christianity which Christianity whichich path of Christianity you believe people should should go down Well, I engage with politics. You know, I'm serving as a Democratic senator sure, from Georgia. But I really do honestly, believe that the issues that confront us are bigger than this partisan language. And most Americans feel that. They don't wake up thinking of themselves as a Democrat or a Republican. Folks want to be able go to the grocery store and afford the groceries. Sure, they want healthcare And part of what I do in the book is I call us to faith. Those of us who are people of faith, I do ask about the character of that faith. But I also honor people who don't claim any particular faith tradition peopleople of moral courage And that's the covenant we have with one another. So ultimately, I'm calling us to renew our faith in one another and in the American covenant. And yeah, I do take on those of my particular faith tradition and I ask us to do our deeds match our creeds And so I was taken by the fact that when they passed the one big, ugly bill, I call it. I don't find it beautiful. Latch your language, Revere. Don't. That's close. This is not that kind of show. Well play, thank you, sir. Here's what I want to ask you. The reason why I bring it up is there is certainly a tradition within the Republican Party to claim faith as the foundation for all that that governance should occur that they would like to see more of that in there. And it feels like the argument you are making is with maybe some of your fellow politicians. I know you've sat down with Mike Johnson, who is obviously and forgive me for not having the language of this because I' come from faith tradition other than He's a fellow Christian. believer. Yes. So you're basically working off of the same book. Well, yeah, that's right. We're people of the book. let me be really clear because I don't want people to misunderstand this as a pastor who serves in the city. Let me be really clear. I'm a Christian I don't want to live in anybody's theocracy Christian Muslim Jewish, we are a country. The covenant that we have with one another is a covenant for freedom Freedom of religion, freedom to choose your religion, freedom from religion. And the covenant And we agree that we're gonna to have each other's bat And we're going to support that. But I u I was struck by the fact that when they passed the one big ugly bill U they got together, the spepeaker of the House held hands with other legislators Pray to prayer. And then they went and cut a trillion dollars out of Medicaid. a trillion dollars. They kicked fifteen million people right off of their health carere. They kicked veterans and seniors and children off of snap And I don't understand how you read the book that I read I'm a Matthew twenty five Christian Oh, in as much as you've done. Why wouldn't you be twenty four I know you. I remember where that' coming happen you you know Yout know that one. But see I was hungry and you fed me. I was thirst and you gave me something to drink. Right. I was sick and you came to visit me and they asked the Lord, when were you hungry? You're the Lord. Whenere were you sick? When you were in prison? When were you an immigrant? And he said, Inasmuch as you've done it unto the least of these You've done it also unto me. And so for me, the asset test of the authenticity of your faith is the depth of your commitment to the most marginalized members of the human family. It doesn't You can't pray And then crush the poor. Isaiah, upon which this book is written, saidays that I God says, I can't endure solemn assemblies with iniquity. Your hands are full of blood. And so I asked I raised that question and the speaker wanted to meet with me, and I was happy to meet with him and talk to him we had a very candid conversation. I hope we keep that going. Can I ask you, So in that moment, because here's the difficulty for me. The idea that we need to find this book like Poor people are being kicked off of food benefits, old people being kicked off people being kicked off their health insurance. It strikes me as a very difficult slipper slope to go down to say we shouldn't do that. Why? hold on No, twenty five. Why is that moral covenant self evident? And does think in the door to other Christians going, Well, let me show you this other quote that gives me a justification. Let's say it's the story of Ham to keep people enslaved. Doesn't it allow people an ability to weaponize their faith for whatever policy they think is right. There is no question. Yeah peopleople have often weaponized faith or faith language. in service to slavery, human oppression The favorite one during the Christian slaveocracy what an oxymoron, but that's what we were Will slaves obey your masters But I come from a tradition where folks stumbled into Exodus where God told Moses to tell Pharaoh to let my people go. I do know that story. For me, We have a whole dinner. You have no idea. By the way, some of the weirdest foods you've ever eaten in your life Yeah, so I don't think it's about a verse. rightight You know? D Do When you have those conversations with someone like the Speaker of the House, do they battle you in verse? Is that how that goes? or do they just say, I hear what you're saying? not, donon't believe it. had Candid conversation Christians have differences of opinion By the way, I think this idea of mercy and compassion, love of neighbor There are iterations of what we call the golden rule in all of the great faith traditions. R. do unto others you would have them do unto you. There's some version of that in all of the great faith traditions. And I just pointed out to the speaker that there are two thousand verses in sccripture that tell you how to treat the poor And so I'm not just talkking, when I say that justice making trruth telling centering the concerns of poor and ordinary people. is a requirement of the faith. I'm saying it's central to the meaning of the faith You can't be one or the other. Would you rather convert somebody to Christianity or to being a Democrat What and and And what person? wouldould that be like? Luke nineteen ten, Look, you have got to vote by mail Are you able to separate it in your mind? Oh, absolutely. R. Look, Democrats have got some issues too. Boy, sure. Yes, sir. And you know, I'm honored that I get to work in that arena. but for me, I put up with politics. R. I'm not in love. Why do you? What is it about politics? Is politics the vessel by which You can execute the plan that you believe that is more godly. I'm in love with change. and every now and then, you get to do something amazing in this job. What else could I be doing where I could literally write the legislation that capped insulin for seniors to no more than thirty five dollars of out of pocket costs per You are incredible It allows you the levers by which you can manifest. Public policy is a matter of life and death. Faith and politics is about life and death. And you know I put up with politics because every now and then I get to do something amazing like that for me change life. much as I love this office I don't need this office. I think Leadership is about an orientation, not about an office And I'm always going to find some way to serve Because that's what gives me fulfillment and joy. That's what I think we're put here for. Now your book, your book is coming out At the same time, I believe JD Vance has a book coming out same day I heard about his faith journey. It's called I'm a fraud. No, it's called I'll find it. I'll find it. Communion, finding my way back to faith. And I believe his is about Catholicism, whose book will win I haven't read the Vice President's book. I don't think he has either . Yeah. I will say this, Yes. You know he's been talking about his faith and his conversion and who am I to question know anybody's conversion. But I did find it interesting that he was so quick to say to the Pope after the Pope called for peace. that he said the Pope needs to be careful when he's talking about theology Well by the way, judging coming off of what happened when he met the last Pope, like that's no idle threat. That was he said the Pope knows to be careful, I'm sure the Pope was like, what's this guy trying to imply? And you know Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I just I love the fact that you can't come with me on these journeys. And I go down these rabbit holes of terrible things to say, and you just have to go like, getting back to the good book. Let me just It's better this way.'s better this way. Keeps you clean. I like this. But you thought it was interesting that he would say that. Is he someone that you could pull aside and have a conversation about theology? We did serve for a little while together in the Senate. O. And you know, I have conversations with Republicans all the time every now I actually do legislation with Republicans. I'm listed as one of the most bipartisan senators in the Senate. So I find a way to hold on to my values and where I can work with people to get some good done, I'm always willing to do that. Is your faith more tested in a theological setting or in a senatorial setting? Are Is it difficult for you more so to f maintain your faith in your church setting or in your legislatures? I can tell you that working in Congress has given me plenty of material for my sermons That's all I needed to hear ook placeaces state. Americable right now. Senator Roheluana quick place over right back afteron Picture this It's late at night and you're scrolling through your feeds When all of a sudden you see it That one product that you've been looking for. You click on the link, add a cart, Maybe even chop around a little more before finally hitting checkout. 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