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From Gov. Josh Shapiro Hates The Boston Celtics | Hour 2Jul 2, 2026

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Have a break Have a kick cat You are listening to the Dan Leatar Sh in partnership with the Draftin Sports Act, now live in all fifty states. All right, good job by the guestbookers. We've got the forty eighth governor of Pennsylvania with us and it's an exciting time to be a Philadelphia sports fan. You got World Cup games. you've got the All star game, the baseball all star game is coming to Philadelphia and Josh Shapiro used to be, I don't know if he's proud of this or ashamed. He used to be Josh from Juliata on sports radio when he was a kid. He's a sports radio caller. So Josh from Juniata, your thoughts on the Jalen Brown trade. Oh man. first off, guys, cool to be with you What a great day o be a Sixers fan. And by the way, I'm a guy who lived through about fifty years, maybe forty years or so Danny Aange and the Celtics screwing us every single time There was an NBA trade. We always ended up on the short end of the deal and Now we did to the Celtics what they've done to us for decades. Welcome to Philly, Jalen Brown. you're going to love it here. We couldn't be more pumped. See, that was nice of you, but in the emotion of the moment, you tweeted, Yeah, welcome to Pilly, JB. sixers get way better and as a bonus, the Celtics got worse. So a little bit of hatred a little bit of hatred in there for Boston. no, no no I need to correct you. There's not a little bit of hatred. There is a lot of bit of hatred. I mean, I grew up My parents. Wed like this guy parents We loveate It a good platform No, by the way if you love hate, if you love hate, you'll get along great and Philly because look, I grew up my parents taught me to love thy neighbor except for Celtics fans and cowboys fans. I mean, those were the two lines we would never, ever cross. And I got to tell you to see the Celtics I mean, basically do a fire as sale. too me, this is private equity ball at its worst. and we ultimately came out on the much better end of that stick. I'm going to give you a very difficult question that has nine alternatives. you can only pick one. You've got to pick wisely. There is only one thing that can happen next. Where are you on which you want to happen the most. The Eagles win the Super Bowl, the Sixers win the title, The Philadelphia Union win the MLS Cup, The pirates win the World Series, The Phillies win the World Series. The Flyers win the Stanley Cup. the Penguins win the Stanley Cup Team USA wins the World Cup or the Steelers win the Super Bowl. I mean, guys, you're like asking me to choose between my kids. I can't do that. That's correct. sports radio caller. Come on, You're speaking like the governor. You are not speaking like you're on the car phone. Make a choice with conviction If I were speaking like the governor, I'd be like Rob Low in that NFL umpire hat when he was at a game. No, no, no, I pick favorites, but you're asking me to choose between all these favorites. I mean, look, I guess I'm a four for four Philly sports fan So I'd probably argue the Sixer winning the title because I'm just a crazed Sixers fan, but as a proud patriotic American, let me tell you something. Team USA could win the World Cup. And we've already gone, what have we gone further? I guess two thousand two, we won another another match, but That would be an extraordinary thing for America. So If I'm putting my proud patriotic American hat on, I'd go Team USA with the Sers as a close second. Okay, what was when Josh Shapiro was ten, twelve years old What was his favorite team? Six S I no question. Forgive me for interrupting you, but since then, who's the most hated Philadelphia athlete the one that's ca or not even athlete might be Darl Morury. who's the person most likely to make the sports radio caller spit bile into his into his phone while calling the radio show. I mean, there's a bunch. Look, I like Darryl and I wish him well in the future I mean, we just had so many years of bad deals. You know, Sam Hinkey started the process We tanked for years and years and years. By the way Got a ton of draft picks. and with the exception of Joell and Tyrees. I mean, not a lot to proof of that. Remember we're talking Ben Simmons and Nerins Noel and Jalil Oka four. I mean These were awful picks Marquel Folz, right. I mean we literally, this is where Boston got it over on us. We traded up for the privilege of not taking Jason Tatum so we could take Marquel Folz. We literally gave something to Boston so they could take Tayatum who, as much as I hit the Celtics, you got to respect him. I mean he is a hell of a hell of a player. You don't have in Boston. You don't have to if you don't want to. you don't have to. Governor, you got Jalen Brown in return But if someone told you yesterday, the Sixers are just getting rid of Paul George, you're getting nothing in return. Would you have been good with that Yeah, I would have just, I mean, fire sale for Paul Jordans. It's just, I mean, we went look, I mean P of part of the bad deals that were made is we gave Tobias Harris, who by the way Wonderful guy good player. We gave him a max contract. So we were sort of stuck with that for five years And then, you know, they kind of look for the shiny object last off season And there was Paul George. So let's give him a max. So we finally come out of the max. We had a little bit of flexibility. and then we went right back into it with Paul George who And would he miss half the season because he took some something he wasn't supposed to take missed another quarter of the season because he was injured I mean, he was a good player years and years ago, but not what the sixers need. not look, I think We're exciting. I mean, you got Maxi and VJ, which is arguably one of the Top two or three back courts in the entire league. He just added Filon who's I think a really he's got a lot of skills, really athletic Pays longer than he really is.' coming off He's a sports radio caller. He's been been so what age were you calling sports radio? When did you start doing this Probably I mean, I remember listening on my little mini boom box in my bedroom Probably when I was you know six, seven, eight years old. I think my parents let me start calling in when I was eleven, twelve, something like that I still remember the thrill I got When I got through And I got to make my point. and that was that was a big deal. And I still, you know, when I need to kind of decompress and unwind and have a minute, which is not that often. Throw on sports radio, listen to what everybody's talking about Um, and, you know, and way in where I can't More thrilling, you have to pick one. The first time you got in on a call or when you became governor Dude, that's a close call. I mean, so probably governor. I'd say like birth of my children, marriage Governor. G into sports getting getting, you know, picked up on a call for sports riding. So help me walk me through the disentanglement of all of these feelings. You've attended how many World Cup games right now so far in Philadelphia? I think three two or three. Okay I got another one on july fourth. So walk me through the fact that FIFA iss the most corrupt organization in sports history. The World Cup is being hosted by the most corrupt administration in the history of the US government And it's been really fun watching all of these people come together disentangle all of that when Trump gets credit for some of this and is holding up the trophy with the corrupt organization at the end and handing it out. Yeah You know, here's how I look at it. I mean obbviously, you know I've got profound differences from the president. and I do believe that he's been an agent of chaos and cruelty and Corruption, But I believe that this is a moment that is so much bigger than him, not just the World Cup as we celebrate two hundred and fifty years of the greatest nation on the face of the earth. I don't believe that patriotism should be personal or partisan. And similarly, I don't think sports should be partisan or political. I think one of the beautiful things I see, whether it's at a World Cup game or it's you know at a birds game or any other game, is you've got people from all different walks of life with different political views, different you know different visions for what they want in our country sitting side by side in the standance cheering for their team or if you're a real Philly fan cheering against the other team that's out there politics and the differences in the division that Trump likes to stoke every day It just sort of melts away. And I think that's a beautiful thing about sports. and guys, I would argue there aren't too many things left in our society where you can melt away those different things differences I think sports is one. I think food is another. music. is another. It just kind of allows us to come together and Enjoy each other's company without the heaviness that exists in our politics today couple of quick questions in answers raapid fire. Messi or Ronaldo. Messy. Yay. I can tell you why or I could just give you a quick answer. No. That's okay. No, just quick opinions. Yay or nay shootouts. penalty shootouts, Yay or nay Oh, yay, for sure. Hydration breaks, Yay or nay. I mean, it's probably just more of an excuse for FIFA to make money in a commercial break. but I don't know, it's hot where these guys are playing. Let them drink. U cock fighting on the White House lawn, Yay or nay Nay, but who knows? Theres no there's no bottom anymore for him. Oh, so you think it might go from UFC to cockfighting. I think I I don't What is is like that Seinfeld episode when Kramer was cockfighting,ember Little Jerry. Yeah. you said yesterday that everything needs to be on the table when it comes to reforming the Supreme Court. What is it that you'd like to see done Yeah, I was just making a broader point. I think our government is in real need of reform and I think we need to pass an anti corruption law or amendment to our cononstitution. We've got twenty seven other amendments. I think we need a twenty eighth. you know, our framers. who did their work right down the street here They were deeply concerned about power being accumulated in the hands of one in the hands of an executive. and they tried to set up these guardrails to protect the public from an all too powerful executive. Remember, we had just declared our independence from a king And so I would argue that our framers did not imagine that we would have a president engaged in corruption at the level that this one is. And so I think we need to build some guardrails around that. whether it's a law orher it's an amendment to the Constitution. I think that's got to be on the table. I'm going to ask you basically the opposite of the question that is making you pick between your children. When you think of the things that are front of mind for you on behalf of the American people, The thing most likely to piss you off the most about the present state of things is blank. a system that F's over good people who are working hard to get by, but it's just rigged against them. No matter how hard they work, no matter how ethical they are, no matter how much they act with integrity, they just get absolutely screwed in the system becausecause it's rigged against them. Governor, appreciate the time. Cratulations. Any final thoughts here that you want us to have on the Jayalen Brown trade. I want to know sort of if it makes you happier to get Jayalen Brown or if it makes you happier to screw the Celtics if you had I will say, it's a toss up man. I was actually in a meeting with a member of my team who is a Celtics fan. and to be clear, I've tried to fire him, but he's just too damn good at what he does. so they won't let me fire him for being a Celtics fan. Apparently it's not an approved reason with HR. but anyway, As the news broke I could see his face drop And I just perked up in my chair and started smiling and we sort of had it out there. So I will tell you that my first instinct was to go hard after the Celtics fan And then when I settled in, I thought about how good the Sixers were going to bhe be that brought me joy. So I guess seeing the Celtics you know, suffer maybe brought me more initial joy. Put us next to you when the news is arriving. Like where and how is this happening? What are the pertinent details as to how it is you learn that you are fleecing the South Sitting around my conference table Teams with me working on some important matter, and I look down at my phone. And my seventeen year old son, Max, texted me all caps, Oh my God, we got JB And honestly, I mean, that really wasn't on our radars. So I wasn't exactly sure who JB was and then he added Jayalen Brown and There we went. Congratulations, sir. Thank you for being on with us. We appreciate you making the time on short notice. Hey, I appreciate you guys and sincerely. You talk sports every day in a way that is a real universal language. It brings people together. And I appreciate the fact that you do that every day. just as a sports fan, but as an American. So thank you guys very much. Thank you. appreciate that. Greg and Zaz especially are very very thankful. You guys are unity makers, the two of you All right, friends, you guys know what a big fan I am of Quintince. I'm constantly wearing their clothes. 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We have a new Netflix movie coming out and this couple is a couple of high climbers and they They met and are getting married at the top of the Empire State Building. Everything I'm watching here makes me a little bit sick to my stomach because they are at the very top top of what is happening at the top of the Empire State Building. And I have a number of questions about this. What is the penalty for this because they were arrested. How big of a crime is this They are promoting their movie and we should promote their movie because whether it's a crime or not, I do believe it is a successful advertising venture for them to be arrested while doing this. You can't see from their vantage point how high that is, but that makes me a little bit nauseated just watching it. I don't know how I'm not terribly afraid of heights, but Those heights and things like that are something that is going to make me queasy every time and also summons for me. A bit of anger that I'm not used to when people are this flippant about life no matter how good they are at the act of climbing. What The banner they're holding is the name of their film. It's clearly watch the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody with as you guys can see like it's something that's fairly obviously right there on the banner, but what these people What is the penalty for this? They are criminals. They have been they have been arrest on and I'm sure that they've been arrested many times. How many times have there been how many times have there been arrests and what What information can you guys give me on how bad of a crime this is and how bad of a crime do you think it should be? Like when you think of the danger in this, the peril is mostly to them, although if they were to fall from that height and fall on somebody, they would also harm somebody. Yeah, they could Yeah, they could fall on somebody. What do you mean? they could you fall on somebody Yeah we mean if you fall from that height, who knows where you're going to land? Yeah you could yes, yes, you can fall on somebody from that height. there you are a danger to others, not just yourself at that at that height. Yeah Pitch clock does air today. That's really impressive that they put that flag up Yeah. Yeah, pitch clock airs later today after Linda Comb. What information can you give me on this, Jeremy? All right, so these two do a thing called rooft tooppping whichich is a hobby that they were both doing when they first met in twenty sixteen. So there they're Russians named Ivan Berkis who' And yeah, that's Angela Nicolau. And so they met in twenty sixteen. their first date was climbing China's tallest incomplete skyscraper, which was one thousand nine hundred fifty seven feet high to golden finance. Yeah, so they skipped cocktail hour actually to do it is what it said. And so their documentary came out in twenty twenty four. So they've been doing this together for years. They didn't know they were going to end up together, but they were both part of this community For this specific thing, climbing the emmpire state builduing to ultimately get engaged and put a sign out there, which I'll get the details on that and what it actually said in just a moment, they were charged with burglary, which under state law means entering or remaining in a building with the intent to commit a crime, as well as reckless endangerment, criminal mischief, criminal tampering, criminal trespass and other counts But seemingly, this is the type of thing they're doing all the time. And what's crazy about it is there's all of this unbelievable video, but you can then like see them get engaged and you can see Angela taking photos from up there that they're ultimately posting from up there of the engagement ring with the entire cityscape in the background And I believe what that said was when the power of love beats the love of power, the world will know peace. That's what that's the message. They it I. Look at that shot, dam This is impressive. Th people are cool as out. Is this not happen to you guys where it hurts your stomach? Like I like sh. I have a physical what balls. I have a physical pain in my stomach watching this because of how flippant about life is. I don't know. Have you guys watched any of these videos where people sometimes swim under ice and go from one place where they have a hole to another place far away where there's a hole and they'll drown if they don't get there These kinds of videos, they go viral because of the danger involved in them and very often influencers die doing this stuff in pursuit of that. And I'm not kidding you. when I tell you the nausea is real in my stomach in ways that are very rare for me in anything that's video related or anything that's televised. like it not even claustrophobic type of Of thingsings of people like drowning cave diving or what is that deep dive called that you go into the deep water water and youep diving. You hold your breath without No, but without tanks. it's got a name where you're doing free diving. Breathless diving. Diving deep Yeah Deepidly. Yes free diving Free diving. G deeply. Wh Which of the videos is most likely to give you the nausea that I am talking about becausecause another one that does it for me is and you've heard me talk about this before for tasing The squirrel suits that people dive from cliffs on with the GoPro and they need to know that it's going to work the first time that they do it, the very first time that people are doing that. You're ready. It seems to me like a real insanity. Was it base jumping Is it No, that's base jumping. I don't think the squirrel suits are called is it called base? It also look terrifying. Base in point two. When you run from a like a platform and you throw your own parachute in the air. That's base jumping. You're talking about the squirrel suits. Yeah. squirrel jumping It's not squirrel jumping. That's what it's called It's not called squirrel jumping. I hate it. I don't know why it's called the squirrel suuit. Do you guys have anything on the internet that does this to you in terms of just instant nausea? You will turn away. You are worried that you are about to watch a snuff film. Parkour High up I I hate it when they're like jumping from building to building way up. Nope, not for me. I hate cliff diving Because when you're diving off a cliff into the water How can you know that there aren't rocks that you're diving into that are four feet under the the checked before. Yeah You don't think they g give it a look see surv. Yeah, even if they check though, what if you what if you make a mistake and you don't dive out quite as far as you wanted to? I think I think the whole idea of thrill seeking is kind of damnable if I'm being honest. You were you were saying you can't see four feet under the water. I got caught in an algorithm here recently. You guys are going to find this funny because it's so random ghost containers, All of those cargo ships that are going across the ocean. manyany of them fail to get there. manyany of them lose shipping containers. You guys are named the shipping container, lose shipping containers, someome of which sink but some of which don't get caught on radar as they're sort of floating just a little bit under the surface and boats hit them all the time. theseese floating containers that are a little bit under the water. Like the bottom of our ocean is filled with these shipping containers that don't actually make it across the sea. Some of them have cars in them and just absurdities in them Ghost containers are out there floating around. You mentioned a second ago, Chris, you mentioned Parkour and it made me think I don't know which of the Bond movies this was with Daniel Craig, but the first ten minutes of one of these movies that involve Parkour and stunts is among the best first ten minutes of a movie I've ever seen of any kind. I don't remember what the name of the Daniel Craig Bond movie was, but you guys know what I'm talking about It's the first ten minutes of a chase scene that involves parkour around a construction site that is as good an opening to a movie, an action movie as I've ever seen. I haven't seen the Bond movies, you know that? It's crazy to me.' never seen one either. that you guys consider yourself movie people. and I don't know the movie I'm talking about. Was it Casino Royale I think so twenty years ago. Yeah, but it's a Bond movie. L it's twenty years ago, but You see bottoms? Put it on the poll at Lebotard showow, please. Are you obligated if you're a movie guy to know something about the Bond movies? Because even I'm guessing even Greg Cody, who famously knows nothing about the movies. Do you think you can name Four bonds It possible. Let's see if if Greg Cody can name Four Bonzes. Have there been more than four Bonzes? four the number that there have been? I think four is the number that there's been, right? So let's see if you can name all the Bonzes. James Berry Bobby. Let me see if I can come up with a fourth one am US bonds US bonds. US bonds You want Bnderan? Argon Bonds. You want to name any? Do you think you can name any of these Sehn Connery Um That's the bond I grew up in. the black and white James Bond. There have only been white Bondzes. I know, but they weren't black and white back then U what there are other names? James Uh, Sean, Connery, and who else? Who are the recent ones Well, you've got another old one, you haven't named, Roger Moore. Roger Moore. I just named one of them in Casino Royaal. Do you remember that name? I I wasn't listening. Okay, Sean Connery and Roger Moore, someomebody feed me another name in my ear. Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig never heard of him P Pierce Brosnan? Yeah, I don't recognize him as a bond. Timmothy Dalton Oh, there are five Bonszes. Yeah. Timothy Dalton. Yeah That's the proper response. put on the poll at Levatard show. Timothy Dalton question marked. Yes or no. Yeah, because it's the worst it' it's universally considered the worst of the Bondzes. I think Conneror and more and then it went downhill as a franchise in my opinion Excited for summer, hosting a pool party, a barbecue or just looking forward to some relaxing time at home Orkin they've been building their best knowledge and expertise for one hundred and twenty five years and they know that no matter what your summer plans are, most people don't want cockroaches involved. shocking, right As supporters of summer plans, both big and small, Orkin is here to stay one step ahead of pest so you can stay one step ahead of your schedule Visit forkin. com today for a free estimate The Cup knockout round is here and Draft Kings Sports has you covered for every single match. 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Half of them would sound dirty if we keep doing it. This is the Lvatar show D you guys say as I ask you, if you fancy yourself movie guys, what would you say best five or ten minutes of a movie to start ever? Like if you had to pick from whatever it is you put on the Mount Rushmore, I'm doing just action movies. That's all I'm doing Dark Night. Yeah, the beginning of Dark Night's pretty great. Y. Raders of the Last Arc was good G Go to old school. You' going so you're going to a movie in nineteen eighty two. bud Wizard Balls Wizard of Oz? Yeah. Dynamic beginning Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. W the Wizard of Oz one of the greatest ten minute openings in the history of movies? Yes or no. You guys continue to search the internet for me on any neeutral Credible person who is making the argument on behalf of the Celtics did not do a dumb thing. I'm not even looking for someone that's saying it's a smart thing. I'm not even looking for someone who's defending it. I'm just looking for anyone in media or in opinion is having a counter opinion when we can't Zaz agree on anything in America today. You will get thirty percent polling on things that are by almost any measure throughout the history of America, obviously un American. You will get thirty percent of the people who will say they are down with the unammerican things Here you have almost what seems to me Universal consensus, not just from Boston fans The universal consensus is Boston got robbed How did that been in any sane world. It's the only opinion anyone has and I just can't believe it. I don't understand the explanation out there that this was a salary dump. You know, it's like it's a directive from the new ownership with Boston. It's a salary dump They tried to acquire Janis Like how is it a sult They offered to trade Jalen Brown and bring back Yis who's going to cost them more money, you know and an extension as well. So I don't understand why people are calling it a salary dump They had to get rid of Jalen Brown or they felt they had to get rid of Jayalen Brown. I think it's because of internal issues and also they soured the relationship by trying to offer him and trade and they had to get rid of him. But I just don't understand why they had to get off his money. They were trying to acquire Yonis. Yeah and I don't understand why Jayalen Brown would take any heat for this, But you know, ever since LeBron in twenty ten, maybe he started it Big name players have been able to leverage their own careers by getting out of contracts and by instigating trades. And Jalen Brown's just the latest one. I don't think the Celtics had any choice but to trade them and the market for them just wasn't what they thought. so they did the best they could. I'm probably more pro Brad Stevens here than anybody else because I give him a little bit of credit for being smart and making the best deal he could B I wanted to ask you guys something that has resulted in me coming under some criticism over the last couple of days because the very uncomfortable subject matter of Chris Johnson, retired NFL player goes on Good morning America and decides to announce to the world bravely that he has ALS and in announcing this he needs a machine to help him with the words because ALS is a really awful, awful prison. The criticism was really harsh here. A fellow journalist here called me a ghoul because great insult, by the way Ghoul is just It's just an exceptional insult. Put on the poll at Lebotard showh, is ghoul an exceptional? Is calling someone a ghoul an exceptional insult? What is a ghoul? Well, I think of it as sort of a monster that is ghostish, but also ogreish right in the middle on the spectrum between ghost and ogre and somebody who's hard to look at and somebody who is But it's a good. canan you give me the textbook definition for a ghoul? because I'm just doing something off of the top of my head, but I don't actually know what the textbook definition is. I would guess that it's tantamount to the living dead consuming other people. Well, that's zombie. I don't think put on the poll at Lebotard showh is a zombie of ghoul I think they're related. I would like to hear the criticism because I do think some of the criticisms of how we approach that were We're totally fair Oh, I think a lot of criticism of me in general is fair. and this allows me actually to go back for a second and talk about some of the Diana Russini stuff. so because I know that this is something that people are now holding up whenever they think I'm sanctimonious or doing anything that they find an opening to criticize me on. They're like you're being a hypocrite here. You weren't willing to talk about that I wouldn't say it's hypocrisy. I would say it would be inconsistent. If you want to call me that, I would also say it'd be apples to apples if Diana Rusini was across from me and I wasn't asking her any of the questions that you want to know about because I believe in an interview, the responsibility that the host have first and foremost is not to the guests, It's to the audience. That's what I believe B believe it when it comes to specifically Y criticism of me on how I've discussed or have not discussed the Rusini thing I should let you know and I don't say this actually with ego But I do say it to defend my position I haven't done everything I have done professionally in my life to get to this point in my life and have anyone or anything dictate for me what I say, how I say or what I'm saying it about, including whatever you believe journalism standards are, or whatever I believe journalism standards are Some people know some of this, only the closest to me Did Damage that hurt me to my friendship with Ricky Williams because the journalist in me chose to do journalism in a way that the friend in me still wears with hurt. Ricky thinks it was better for his life and is thankful. and I'm grateful for that. But in making that choice of choosing journalism over a friend, I said I'm going to be careful about that one for the rest of my life because of how it scarred me. And so It's fair criticism to say Dan, you should talk about rusini. It's a consequence of me saying, no, I will not Be Everyone is saying for me how wrong it is, you don't need me adding to that pile of criticism to make my friend's life a little bit worse. And if you want to criticize that Totally understand. it's a consequence, price, tax on doing business. I get it You want to hold it against me for the rest of my life? Totally understandable I make my decisions with my conviction, I live with them. There are consequences In this particular case The criticism comes from watching something that is deeply uncomfortable for anybody to watch. And so the helplessness of all of that I understand why people wouldn't want to ask Chris Johnson any more questions other than just giving him the platform and letting him say what he wants, how it is that he wants to say it. But if you believe that your responsibility is to the audience first, not to the guest It seems to me reasonable, not ghoulish to also point out in your preparation, Hey, Chris Johnson, either do you think football did this to you or do you regret football doing something like this to you when the science says that football players are four times more likely to get ALS. So you tell me, Mike, how I should feel about the criticism because it doesn't the criticism does not bother me because it's a question I as an audience member wanted asked because I wanted to I was curious about what his answer was. And when you're talking about somebody who's on Good Morning America Not because he has ALS, but because he's a football player. Like he was not on Good Morning America because he has ALS. He was on Good Morning America because he's a football player who has ALS. He's famous for being a football player. They don't interview random non famous people about ALS. They're talking to a football player. It's a question I wanted to ask, but I understand if people thought it wasn't the time for it place for it and if they think I'm a ghoul. I agree with all those things too Even especially the ghoul part, Dan So you want you want to hear that question asked of Chris Johnson because you're curious about his perspective because you're certainly not curious about the science. You feel pretty comfortable in stating football contributed to this because look at very recent history and what we already know So You kind of curious What he has to say? because it's a morbid curiosity You want to know how he feels about the choices he made in life and that's a bit of rubbernecking in that moment And while you're asking important questions, I think those questions could have and should have waited I think the initial thing that we all should feel in that moment is compassion I do think that we should probably understand that maybe some of those topics weren't touched on in all likelihood because Chris Johnson himself

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