Star Trek and Television Career

I'm joined now by I have this whole introduction. I'm not going to do it. My friend, Whooppi Goldberg. She's an Egot. She's the host of the view, Whooppp, I love you, you know that right J, Whooppy, how are you doing I'm good. You look amazing. Thank you. What happened? I lost a Bload it away. A human being. Two O one and two one and a half human beings. Yeah. I Issues with my lower back couple of years ago and it got worse, progressively worse. And then they gave me all these they did an operation, they fixed it, but it just wasn't doing what I needed it to do. So they started giving me steroids. and over the course of them was two years, It was probably weigh three hundred, close to three hundred pounds and I did tell Yeah, my And then you said, you've lost it and you're not ashamed of the weight. No Manjaro. M It never would have happened without that. Really? Yeah. ye People shouldn't be shaming people who do Manjaro or Ozimenic or any weight loss. Listen, people do what they need to do. Right. So I have to you know, stay out of people's business. let them do what they need to do for what they need. I asked my doctor about it and my doctor said, it's not A new drug. It's an old drug. Yeah We found out his You know, side effects, positive side effects for other things that rightight. Yeah. I mean that's how they figured out bi agra was meant for something else, right? Clearly. It makes you wonder. Let's talk about what we're here to talk about. and that's your book, bits and pieces, Whoopy. I'm so proud of this book. I love it And I can relate to it because I've had loss in my life. As you know, my sister died recently. that was Really, really tough. Yeah Yeah. And when you were writing this, I knowew when I was writing my book, the grief all comes back See, I I was having a hard time because I thought I was supposed to be feeling something some type of way that I just never Felt Um And then a couple weeks ago I discovered Why it wasn't happening because there was nothing left unsaid Yeah, nothing between from my brother and I or my mother and I. Nothing So I kept waiting for it, you know, and I get bouts of where, you know, a piece of music will bring me to tears or something But that that grief that sits on your neck and knocks you down, you know, and You just eat yourself and I didn't have any of that because It was always a known factor that before we got off the phone. I'd make sure she knew how I felt. You know. I'm glad you said that because that is Honestly, my worst fear justust losing my m Because every single day I talk to her, she texts me, this iss the first text. And when I get up in the morning, she says, Hey, my handsome baby. what are you doing today? How are you? And then I respond back to her and I can't imagine not getting that text Have you will she let you do Facime with her? Yes. do faceTime? I do faceim. It Really important. Yeah. Like almost on a daily basis. Yeah. Almost on a daily basis. Yeah because my brother I'd sent my brother a phone And And I said, seeee if we can talk M into doing Faceetime. She's like, No, I don't want to be bothered with that. I'm not interested in that. just I'm happy to be on the phone. And so she saw it And then she could see me and I could see her. and it was like, oh, this is nice. And so I have bit some pieces of her from when my brother was trying to set the phone up And he's standing and he says, Okay, Ma. M Wave it Karen. and she goes, hello So I have that, you know. But all the other things You know, I always told her because to me, she was He was really the foundation for me So and losing my brother because it was just the three of us, my mom, my brother and me. So all the repository knowledge went without It was in his head. It was all in his head. Not in yours. N in home. My sister's like This is me sister not and Very close knit, but it's just, you know, we have a small face. Yeah. So I can relate to that Yeah. By the way, when when I text or when I facetime my mom, you know, sometimes her face is like h or whatever. becausecause she doesn't quite know how to do it. Is that where bits and pieces? the name of the book came from? you have bits and pieces of your mom? No, it came from bits and pieces of memory Be I can't tell you the year things happen. I only know that they did You know? And so I would be able to say to him, Hey, do you remember this or is this something I dreamed of They said, No, no, no, you wish you dreamed it up, but it actually did happen. Oh, wow. You said I didn't know anything about feeling lost until after she died. bits and pieces on page one hundred ninety eight. I wouldn't call it a crippling grief because it doesn't have a grip on me. It is more of a grief that stays way down in my toes. It doesn't feel dark It's kind of a fog or numbness. I can't figure out what I'm supposed to feel now. I'm not raving angry, but I resent the fact that my mom slide aren't here anymore Yeah So when it comes up through your toes It's just in certain moments when you hear a piece of music or something. Well, yeah, was I was recently spnd some time with Adersson Cooper with on his grief podcast and he played a piece of music. I talked about in the book that of hearing my mother's because my mom used to sing around the house And and he played it and I'm sitting there and you know, the tears are coming and I look up and he's crying too It is it's Bea it's Tony, Bennett and he just left. and. You know, my mom loved. It was a whole thing. It was Anderson lost his brother. Yes. And he recently lost his mother mom. Yeah. so he can relate. Yeah I understand that because sometimes, you know now husband will say You just keep moving like what's going on with you? And then in the middle of the night I'll think of my sister And it comes up Yeah comes and I wake up crying and then he but he's the only one who sees that. Yeah. know what I mean? Yeah. And it comes up. What What's your favorite memory from the book You have your favorite memories s? Oh, yeah. listen, my favorite memory is that I can still See the axive too When is I talk about my My mother and my brother and I going to Rockaway Beach, which As I remember I used to have a tunnel. before you got into Rockaway, the park and I don't know what happened, but my brother gets through the tunnel And my mother gets to the tunnel. Now the tunnel is constantly slowly going around. So you have to kind of walk so that you don't fall. and My mother was not Thinking that and then she fell in the thing. And she like she was laughing so hard that when we tried to Get her We fell And then now there are three of us trying to get up, but every time we try to get up, it just you dissolve into laughter. That was the crazy And I just remember them having to turn Wh so we could get out because nobody could move. It was just too gone. and talking about, you know All of the women who graced my world when my brother past because We did a couple of different memorials for him Every memorial Tw or three. Let's we have four. Women would come up and go, you know and't I' going to get Toget, we're going to move in together in a It's like And it got to the point where my daughter said Why do you think this lady's walking up to us? I say you know why she's walking up to us That's That's. I had that many women Oh yeah. Yeah. let me I'm gonna show you his his visual and then you'll see why And, you know, You just thought my God How busy were you Well I'm shocked that I don't have more nephews or nieces. This is when he was talking to her. Telling her to wave, so I took a picture of the video. So he's he's got the camera and the phone And he said, you know, he's shooting this little movie And so and I have one of him as well Yes, m Apparently Aarely. But, you know, he He just he was in really great Gy he would, you know You were the only person he was talking to You said nothing was left unsaid I wish I had that becausecause when Two days before my sister passed, something was saying, callall your sister, callall your sister. And I got busy with work. And I said, Mom I'm going to call her this weekend And I don't think I'll ever forgive myself for that Well, you have to because that isn't something it's not like you knew what was common and didn't. Okay It's not like you knew it was happening You know Um I would have loved to I' been on the phone with my brother while he was driving in California And say, Hey, listen, you got a headache? You should probably go to the doctor or something. because my mom died from an aneurysm as well. My brother did too. So You know, I would have say said, hey, maybe you should check that out, you know Kning him, he wouldn't have. he wouldn't have checked it out and, you know It would have happened anyway. You're smiling when you do when you talk about this. Oh yeah Does a humor help No, it just is funny because we're hardheed You know, we're hardheaded. Your instincts tell you things. But it doesn't tell you how to get out of what you have to do at the same time is telling you to do something else. you know you know, Yeah I wish it had been different, but it wasn't But I'm okay because he never There was no doubt in his mind about how I felt This is going to sound like a weird question Maybe So the day Your mom passed right O the day your brother passed Did you feel? peopleople say they they'd never felt more alone it's a feeling that you don't know. And when my sister passed, I know that feeling was because that was my big sister. mom passes. Is it do you feel lost or lonely I do feel lost. because I'm just not used to not having them. And I'm, you know, I'm One of three You know,'m I'm three. I'm number three I'm number three three. You know, so I missed that But you know, I also know that this is part of life is. This is going to happen to everyone. You made me think about it when you said you one of or three because in my that I wrote before I wrote about going to my sister's funeral. I'm driving. My mom is sitting in the passenger seat My sister's in the back seat But there was one person behind me because that was how we filled up our car We had two in the back and two in the front. Yeah. and then going going to her funeral Yeah got stuck in traffic and we were late for we were an hour late from the sisters. And we were just sitting in the car and I said, you know what We're supposed to slow down. and so why don't we sit here and talk about her? talk about everything. Do you remember going over this bridge and we just talked and we got to the funeral and we're like, that's okay. Yeah. She ain't going nowhere. That's the thing. Yeah. It's really us. Yeah.. the ones that have been left behind. that are sort of out of sorts with it. you know, because As much as we know that this is going to happen to everyone You never really prepared for it, which is why I say you know whatever changes you make in your life include the fact that to those people you love Always Let them know You just always have to let them know Do you believe in an afterlife? and you know, I'm going to ask you, do you believe you'll see them again? Oh yeah Did I see him now Yeah You talk to them I talkks that I laugh with them mostly because they do stuff in my house And I know who it is by what is being done. thingsings get moved. You know, you know that you put your glass here I saw you put it there Everybody so you put it on the table, you come back and it's gone They say, okay just You let somebody know where it is. And suddenly somebody will say Oh, it's in the living room. The glass is in the living room. takeake liive. Okay. ye You're something else bufy. Listen, we are really lucky You know, we we have loved ones. Not everybody's so lucky And we have people who we loved, who loved us back. Some people They don't get any of that you know, So I always hope that when I say to people the person that loved you. That's the person you need to always connect to. stay connected. Yeah, you know. Yeah. I need to bring my mom up because she won't she's getting older. She won't She hates getting on an airplane. Well put her on a bus And you know how that is becauseuse you hin't getting on the airplane But you know You talk about when you say to someone you're connected to, my mom, you know, growing up, I knew, you know that I had the secret right about and I just got married, I don't know if she she said she didn't have an idea, but I think she did Gring up And she never treated me any differently. When you talk about your mom and your experience with dyslexia, you did not know that you had it for a while. Yeah. When you figured it out She didn' treat E. she start reading, she would to read fairy tales too. Yeah I love, I mean, it's why I'm such a big fan of audiobooks. Be I love being told a story. It just makes me happy. And so I don't watch TV I listen to the boookx And that That gets me where I need to go That's how I sleep at night. I go to sleep listening to either a podcast or a book or something or just a radio. I'll go on to seririous satellite get an old time radio station and listen to it No like So do you She knew you had dyslexia And when did you figure it out? It was? of None of us knew what it was because there was no word for it. There was no language for what was wrong with me. So you just learned differently. learearned differently Be it was clear that I certainly was learning because I I could tell her what we had done, what the work was and what I had to figure out all All of it except for the math of it. I hate math. so I mean, math is a wonderful thing, but it's not good for me So I, you know, she would they would say there was, she's just being lazy. she's not applying herself. Not applying herself mom said, No, I think she is. And there's something else happening. But you know, they didn't they had no words, they didn't know what to look for. you just said, I just see things differently. When did you figure it out Probably when I was fourteen and fifteen. You did Yeah. Did you get the glasses or anything or you just knowing what it was. No, my mom met someone at school And they would talk about their kids. And my mother said, you know, my daughter is told she's lazy, but she's not. She just You know, she just seems to learn differently and the man's Definitely how? And they started talking and he said, C I I'd like to meet your daughter Okay And he said, wrrite down what you see. I'm going to write stuff on the board. You write down what you see, and I did. He said, okay, so that's an A So whenever you see that That's an A Oh, okay. And then that's how I learn the alphabet didn't make it easier for me to read. it just helped me understand that there are words and stuff. But it was a light switch at least. It wasn't been a lot of a light switch When your mom I wonder what the effect on you was when your mom because she had an emotional breakdown. rightight She had a nerous breakown. That's very nice way to put it. She had nervous. She had nervous breakdown. But that's you rec call it back in the day a nervous breakown. Yeah And how did that affect you? U Well, it taught me that things happen. On the drop of a hat that nothing is secure you know, you have to always know how to get through life You're going to have to learn this because there are going to be times when things are going to disappear and you're going to be left going, okay, what do I do now So that that was good for me. How old were you Probably seven or eight And then she had electros shock therapy. You said, you'll never forgive your grandfather and your dad for allowing that to happen or any man who C thought that was a good idea without having first experienced it. When I read that, I know when I read that, I was like, now I know why Whoopy feels the way she feels about a woman's right because they took her right away from her Twoen deciding that she should have electroshock. She should have electroshock therapy And she couldn't remember you after Well, she did not. No, but Clyde and I did not know that. We had no idea she didn't know who we were. We didn't know and didn't had no idea for Maybe thirty, five years then. because she never, she never let on And wait, was she never let on. She never let on. She did this by herself. She walked this path by herself When she came, So here's what happened I said to her once We werere in Malibu. and I said, you know what, I have to tell you, thank you because I know this wasn't plan but your illness sort of made the world very clear to me. and I think it was good for me to know that things can change like that. always have to be ready Should a shift happen And she And I said, you're going away for those two years is what did it for me. And it really sort of focused me And She said, canan I tell you a secret? You know when anybody says, canan I tell you a secret? you know Islam's com. something is coming And she said to Clyde and I I had no idea who your kids were when they brought me back She said, I was so happy to be out of that place that if they said the sky was orange and I looked up and it was blue, I was going to say it was orange ' I knew I would I' never I never ever, ever wanted to go back to a doctor's office. and she never did. She never went back to a doctor's office But She pretended to know that sheended she pretended to that she remembered everything And she said she learned everything from us from Clyde and us including our names That's an extraordinary woman. She was an extraordinary D she did it ever, did any of it ever come back to her before? None of it ever came back. She She didn't remember anything before the electro shot? I don't I don't think so. because By the time we were talking about stuff It was It wasn't There wasn't much that she didn't know that we hadn't somehow that she hadn't figured out or someonen' had sort of led her in the direction It's just crazy. but she and The thing that broke my heart was I thought M, you went through this by yourself. You never told anybody. And if I hadn't said to her This really shifted my life around, I never would have heard it She never would have told us. Do you feel that it changed her love? do you think she I guess she loved you But she could't remember. Does she have to learn to love you? I guess that's a better question. She to learn or relearn Yeah And I could not have been easy because, you know But she chose to love me anyway. That's extraordinary. Yeah You have this as you said, for those of us who have lost our mom, our grief is going to be different from one another. There's a lot of folks might to a deep mourning Right after losing their mom. For some of us, it takes a while to feel it. An anomaly about me is that it took a long time for her loss to really set in on me Grief in a compartment because I am an efficient person. I know what you mean by that? I wanted to get shit done do what needed to happen and get through it But that's how it works I compartmentalize stuff, you do that because you have to. Yeah. You have no choice. Well, it's just a lot. You know, now you people, you know, people want you to be able to function like A robot in a way. They want you to remember everything. I don't remember everything and I'm not gonna. I'm not going to pretend like I do. And if you walk up on me and I don't remember, it's not because I'm being disrespectful to you. It's just because there's a lot in the computer right now You know, And you got to help me figure out what you want me to get. Wh, I can't remember. I'm from like real. peopleeople say, you remember you did this to me in high school and I'm like, No, I don't remember that. Come on D. I'm like not. Now you know, because high school, you know, it's like when people come up and say lines from my movies and they look at me and go And I got to know. And they say, you said this in the movie in I was like, o, so it's the thing of You know I don't watch my movies like that. so I don't have, you know, I don't have a thing that allows me to remember all these a movie diary, right that you were know Yeah. But it's interesting because as we were preparing for this as I was doing this, I was talking about I said every because sometimes I'll send you a screenshot of me watching movie. Yes. It's you and Alec Balwin Every weekend I turn on the TV and I'll flip through some movie channel and I'm like, it's either whoope or Alie. You guys are in everything. I feel like I should I should be spending money like I was in everything. I saw soap dish Be av I love one of my favorites, I should say. favorites. And the cast is fantastic. Yeah. I don't know any lines from it so I'm not going to go. Thank you. But do you think when you talk about, you know Your mom not remembering you and all of those things and all of the movies that you've been in and you had such success. Do you think and the losses Did that did that help to contribute to the drug use. What was? Oh, honey, are those are hundreds nothing miles apart. Really? Yeah, hundredundreds of miles apart. That's like twenty five thirty years ago. And I included it in there just to talk about where I was headed this something that happened to you as a kid. Like your mom had Oh no, that No. I got hot because I wanted to I was interested in all those things. I'm glad you said that. because people will say, you know, I I had this trauma, I had that trauma. Maybe it's real, but you just say, I got hired because I wanted to Well, that was that was me. That has always been the case And that will probably always be the case if I can figure out how to get high again ' my lunes don't let me smoell You can't smell And youon how long did you have You said you had an issue specifically, and you write about it. So I'm not asking her something Yeah No She hast thirty years. You did. I I had issues thirty years ago because that thirty five now. But for how long did you? Probably three or four years. You know, just When you think of everything that you could have possibly tried Yeah And you know, you you get stupid For sometimes six months at a time. But every twenty thirty years Like I had been straight as an ararrow, didn't drink, didn't do anything then Sapp So, okay, I'm gonna try this Let's see what everybody's talking about. Ooo And then it was like, oh, Okay, I've done this and I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like the way it's making me feel and it's irritating me now, so I need to stop And that was really what it took. I was in a hotel room A Youad about years ago. Yeahah. You said that you had this what you call a slap in the face moment. whereere you were in a hotel room and you said you were just you were sitting a closet putting cocaine up your nose. Yeah. And you didn't realize the maid came in. The housekeeping came. The housekeeping came in. She opened the closet door. I screamed. She screamed. We both screamed And I thought this is not good. And you had I'm sure. Coke all over your face. You said you looked. You said I looked at she was staring at my face as I talked and once Once she understood it was my room. She calmed down and left. I looked at myself in the mirror near the door and saw cocaine all over my face. You know, And it's just like these are not these these are not the memories I want to carry with me. Cold turkey, you quit, thenin I wasn't you know, cold turkey is what you do when you're on real heavy drugs I just had to stop doing what I was doing. It was really on me, notot like cigarettes Yeah. notot like cigarettes. cigarettes took more making a decision about Oh, this is not a good look. I don't like that I'm in a closet And I have a giant career, what am I doing? So I was like Yeah, we're not gonna do that anymore And I stopped and I you know, I used to miss it. And then, you know twenty thirty years goes by, and you think. All right, it was fine then You know, But you can't smoke anymore, You can't do No, no. you do edibles? I can do edibles, but I don't like edibles unless our company creates them. becausecause then I know that the The science is correct But you know for some reason, I can't really do edibles. I can, but I prefer now mushrooms I prefer to do mushrooms. Mushrooms are interesting. If you're ever thinking about doing something, just Make sure you have an out for it You know, because mushrooms are funny. can they can do all kinds of things to your head and you don't realize it for a while But that's why they do it now. scientifically Yeah Well, those I make sure I go to a legal place and get and get mushrooms. I never thought it in a million years that I'd be talking to you about mushrooms and do.. Do you have a weed company? Yes, o yeah. used to CBD I forgot. You would tell me when I had the back issues that yeah ye Well, I didn't send it. I gave it. You gave it Yeah That's what I meant. That's what you meant. It Yeah. you know You you know, you find the things that you that will help you. view function and You know I I really I thought it would be drugs or something else, but no, it just is It was too boring You don't strike me as someone who has an addictive personality No, but I make myself aict. Like I have to I have to have certain candy Like I have to have that candy because that's the candy I'm addicted And nothing else wont do What I am is really good about recognizing the balance Do I want to do this knowing that this is all the things that follow it Or do I want to do this? and maybe I'm not as you know around or maybe I'm not, you know, but my life is more comfortable for me Do you ever get lonely think so You know why I'm asking that? Because I just got married. I remember before and before when you wrote the book about marriage was not for you. I interviewed you then and we talked about it just personally And I said, yeah, I don't think marriage is Well, I knew that you you had no idea Yeah So but you don't like people in your house. I like living al. I don't I don't mind people in my house. The truth of the matter is I am fundamentally a selfish person. And I've found that because I have a wonderful kid and you know and a son in law wree grandkids and one great grand They don't have time for a whole lot of other Pople come into my life into my life, you know, because, you know She's that's my kid and that's the family and You know, so hitt and runs are great. I don't mind those You know, but you can't spend the night Hit and run They still happen Yeah, o yeah. Oh yeah you know, and and You have to give yourself permission because you know, you have this whole line of words that are stacked up in your head about what you are. if you say a hit and run is where you want to be and you don't want to be married. You know,, am I a whore? A I this? Am I a terrible person? because I don't want to And I never really I thought about it. I just thought Well I must be doing it wrong because other people seem to be able to have figured it out. And what I didn't realize with that was that I had figured it out I just was surprised by the fact that A I didn't really want it But I like to hit and rot And my mother said, Well, maybe you should just throw a party from now on and not get married anymore. It is what it is it' not for everybody. No.. No. And you have to you know, it requires a lot You have to really It is really a give and take And I'm in my life at this point I don't really want I just I want to You know, see you when I see you and then you go I just would but, you know, I didn't effort I neglected to say I should have said this a while ago When I'm flipping through I also see you on Star Trek. Yeah. And I had been fas. I never knew this story that how you got this was Ginon, right? Is that the Gyon? Ginon. Yeah I never knew that you called Gene Roddenberry and said Well, no, it started it started with Lavarbert. 'cause Leavard came over to my house and we were having lunch And I said, What are you up to? And he said, Well, I just got this part in the new Star Trek. I said, o, tell them, I want to be in it And he said, really? I said, Ohh yeah I should You don't understand Nichelle Nichols was the very, very, very first stunningly beautiful black woman on network television driving people crazy to the point where, you know, down south they had to say, well they can't have this interracial kiss. It's just it's not dying with her and what with her and Aura and Yes. so I said, so tell them if you know, if they find a space, I'd love to come in from time to time A year goes by and I run into him. I said, didid you ever tell them? He said, I told him they didn't believe me. I said, do you have somebody's, give me somebody's number to call So he gave me a love. I called J Rdenberurry's office. I said, My name is Whipppie Goldberg I would like to be on your show I love Star Trek Huge fat I love science fiction. and before your show There was no idea that black people were going to live into the future There was no film Us. in the future on the earth It's all white people and and k later Th these are things she writes about in the book. she said, Well, he said, let me go check. Yeah. And then a week later, he called you back and said, you're right. I couldn't find any anything. come in I'm going write character and you said, yeah he did. He wrote and she's based on Texas Gy and who was a chantuse and a woman who ran a great A. oint. where she greeted customers by saying hello, suckers. You know just did that You remember Dyian Carol? Well yeah. She said she called up Eron Selling and said, I want to be the first black bitch on TV. Yes Because if you don't ask, you don't get That's a shame that you have to call and ask. I mean, but you do. Well, you do because people here's what what we always have to remember People don't know what you want They don't know what you are interested in doing. They only know sort of stuff out here about you So when you call and say, no, no, I'm interested in this and They say, Okay, and then you do it. and then they say to you You know, I never thought you would be part of this because it's TV show. It was amazing though. But you are groundbreaking. I'm actually not. I took my I took my cues from all the folks that I saw on television when I was a kid You know, Robert Redford was on Twilight Zone. Yeah. You know, there were all of these people who did television because we all wanted to work. I've watched Steve McQueen on I forget it was Wanded Dead or Alive or something Dead or alive. Yeah. I mean, thinkestwood was on something like very similar. Rw hide Rwhide. No Yes. And you, I mean, you went from being comedian No You' an actress first? You were and then a comedian I never actually became a company. Looky, I see you used to have the towel and this b but that's that's an act that's an act. Okay They don't know what to they didn't know really what to do how what to call it. Yeah because I guess They weren't We're used to it But then seventeen years now, you have been a talk show host. Yeah on a very the number one talk show. It's been seven since two thousand seven And you put yourself, when youre when you're doing that, I know I used to do two hours of live TV. and five days a week. And when you're out there live, you're like sometimes things come out of your mouth and you're like, I want to pull that back. It is a tightrope out there Well, it didn't used to be. But it is now. it's become a tight row You know, you You're having to deal with everybody's everything, you know For years and years, people would say, well, why can't I tell this joke? It's like, 'cause it's not funny It's that funny You know, so just Find another way to make your point. You know, just Do it differently. Do you love it? During the view I'm okay with it I'm okay with it. You're going to hang around Oh, I got a contrast. Yeah, I'm not going anywere I love watching you in the view. I get news from the view. and I love the role that you. You're always the mediator R? You're always look for common sense. part of the conversation. Is That what they call They call con the moderation. Whoope, I love you. I appreciate the advice I appreciate you being a mentor. I appreciate you understanding what happened to me better than anybody else. So thank you for that. Thank you, and thank you for being Don Lemon. Thank you for being my friend. And thank you for being Whooppy Goldberg. The book is called Bs and Pieces. Make sure you Goodbye My friend's book can read it Thanks for. Thank you Thanks for watching everybody. I appreciate you. 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