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Selection der is by location Hello everyone and welcome to the filmcast, a podcast about movies I'm David Chen and guys, I once wished that I could be part of one of the longest running movie podcasts of all time And bad news came true Joining me today is Davinndra Hardwar This one goes out to all the single folks out there Bo love Lauren. What did we learn tonight? If you have feelings for somebody, tell him, or people will die. And Jeff Kan, you make one little wish to join your favorite film podcast and now these guys won't leave me alone Those are, of course, all vague and oblique references to the fact that today of the podcast, we're going to be talking about obsession orr as they're often marketing at Curry Barker's obsession, which I have to say L lot of u lot of person's name horror movie You know what? Smer Make it the thing. makeake directors names the thing, but also do this for the women, do this for everybody, you know, possess new movies Yeah, and I actually do support it Divingra. I think it is like it should be associated with the drag. You should also know his name because this is incredible. Absolute Thatsolly I'mo for Divingraas. I just think that The downownside is that I get a pang of anxiety when I see something like The new film by Crary Barker and the first thought that pops in my head is shouldould I know that guy Am I supposed to I supposed Do people know are people talking about Curry Barker? This is how it starts. I actually actually I'm very familiar with Curry Barker's work because he and Cooper Tomlinson made a lot of TikTok sketches before U they made this film together. And so I did know who Curry Barker was, but I'm saying guys, consideration for those who are not as caught up with the latest TikTok trends That's all I'm saying. I know now we know your worst fears not to be not to be on the button in the not like on the pulse in the Lee Cronen What Does everyone know who Lee Cron is? Guys, didid I miss the Lee Conan party? Anyway Today on the podcast, we have some what we've been watching for you and some weekly plugs before we get to our review. But first Why don't we take a visit to the slash film court. the troll you can't handle the tll The trail is over gone. Slash Film Court is the semi regular segment where in we adjudicate your movie related dilemmas This dilemma comes in from Megan writing into slashfilmcast at gmail. comot Meghgan writes, I have a very important question for your consideration I grew up in a very theatrical family. My parents actually met in a college theater class in New Jersey with Bruce Willis as a classmate which I always thought was a fun fact Because of this, movies have always been a huge part of my life. My dad and I still watch every Oscar movie every year and dissect them like film critics afterwards Naturally, I brought that energy into my relationship. and over time, my fiance has become a big movie person too However, we've developed the funny post movie standoff The second we leave the theater, I want to immediately ask, So what did you think Meanwhile, he refuses to go first and insists that I share my opinion before he gives his. His reasoning is actually pretty sweet in that if he didn't like a movie I loved, he doesn't want to ruin my excitement But sometimes I genuinely want to hear his raw reaction first so we can have a fun, honest debate about the movie Now it's become this ridiculous game of chicken where we're both waiting for the other person to crack after we leave the theater. What is the healthiest or funniest way to break the cycle? And what are your own post movie rituals with your spouses? Thank you for providing me a huge movie nerd with a podcast that I look forward to week after week Equote That comes from Meghgan writing into slashfilmcashgumo dot com. Feel free to write in with your dilemm It'slash from Cast, Tam. comome so guys post movie standoff wherein You don't want to take a shit all over the movie that your significant other might enjoy How do you guys handle this? or here's a let's start with this question Doon't you even think about that at all? When you you see a movie.'' I forget of this feelings? depends on the movie to the picture. It the point of the movies with a spouse. Yeah. That's a rare thing I did that for the first time in months last week. Amazing. What was the movie didnt go? It was is God is, which Oh I'll talk about soon. Nice, nice Okay, so yes, Jeff, the personur Meghgan is assuming that we do actually go see movies with our significant. I used to Yeah four children. Okay so right back to that time. you know, before you did, like what was your approach? wouldould you just Come right out with your thoughts. You know, Jeff, I got to put this out there I have a feeling you're a little more Loquacious with their thoughtonts, as they say Wow, you just called me an asshole. That is not That is not accurate. It might be a little more forthcoming. Yeah. It's just thirty minutes until we hear your wife's opinion, J. Yeah. Wow. It's okay. The wait is worth it. It sounds like some someome buddies over here relate to my wife Um, No, I I I like to hear what my wife had to say first or at least I did back in the day. I mean, nowadays It's weirder I think coming from me, as somebody who, you know, is always sort of itioning for a purity of experience. But nowadays, the only time we ever see anything together is sitting on the couch in our home And then usually we're talking throughoutner about what we like or don't like. I'm surprised that this is coming from Jeff the purist. It's amazing I know. I' experience. It sounds weird, but it's a different experience in the home because usually it's Do you want to keep going with this one or Yeah That's the main question. the first you shump and try something else. because we have precious little time to share together watching something. And so We want to maximize the enjoyment. And so there's there's the like fifteen minutes in discussion of like, are we sticking with this? Is this what we're doing Are we jump into something el? because we We only got like an hour more Now here's the thing sleep. Here's the thing, Jeff. M I do the exact same thing with my wife where we don't get to watch that many movies together for reasons I've already discussed on this podcast and so Whenever we start a movie and it's becoming very clear that it's not going to be her thing I always try to give her an out. I'm like, hey, you know, we're only we're only twenty minutes in commute. We can still like exit this and try something else. The problem is A, she really finds that behavior extremely annoying to begin with And related to that is that She doesn't like having metaphorical open tabs. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah It's like Oh, we started the thing and then we didn't finish it We don't have that problem. And it's like a splinter in your mind to quote Morpheus from. It's like, hey, we can't Can't finish. Okay U foollow up question for Megan is what's wrong with just taking turns You know, can you take turns? And when this time you share your opinion first and then the other the time you share and you can even make a little game out of it, You know? that's what I'm old school enough to be. be like ladyiess first kind of a guy, you know? likeike it's gracious to a lot. and I think maybe it might be a little different for us as well. I don't know if you guys agree with this, but You know, we tell our opinions about movies for a living, right? So you know, let the other person Yeah, say what they think. Maybe it's a Maybe it comes from a slightly different place that I haven't considered, you know. Right, right, right. I think the thing that is a little confusing to me is or're not confusing, but I don't know if we have this like I have the same issue in my household is Oh, you don't want to like take a shit all over the movie the person loved, which is like I would say something that regularly happens. you know, what I mean by that is It's very it's very Tuesday in the J. Well, it's very common that something will resonate with one of us and not the other person. It is common, you say Yeah, I would say I would it's not always it's not always in one direction like it's not like, oh, I'm taking a shit on the movie and she lies it's it's very frequently like I'm very moved by something and it didn't impact her at all. Like that's very and Um And I so I think that u Here's here's my bigger metaphysical advice is don't let your feelings be swayed by other people, you know, likeike if your significant other didn't like it, be like, you know what I celebrate that we had two different reactions to this film. And I welcome learning more about you. through this process, you know? And there you go. Now it doesn't matter whether he liked it or not. You know what I'm saying? Unless it's the Mario Galaxy movie, then Insant dce DeVinra, any thoughts on Sharing your opinion first or last or middle or wh Never first, never first. Never Be because we do this for a living and The way we talk about movies is very different than the way other people talk about movies. So if I'm not around movie people my wife we incredibly annoying fashion. essentially is what Deivindra is trying to say. Basically. But you know, my wife and I we always watch movies. We bonded over movies. like that's the whole thing. But we talk about movies very differently because I'm like in it. I'm in this. I'm thinking about it, I'm writing about it following it and studying it for a while. So I let her go first. I want to know what she thinks and same with everybody else. I think the for for this particular situation, though, it sounds like they both like talking about movies equally And in that case The only solution is do the funniest thing possible Whever has the best bit. goes first the viewing experience is the buildup to what the bit will be as you respond to the movie. That's that's the goal and And tell a joke. You to start with a joke. Whever has you do? How do you how do you start the episode of your discussion about this movie. That's which is somethinghing I think about as watching every movie unfortunately because's the way my brain is broken now. But yeah, you know, do the funniest thing say. So at the beginning of every episode of the podcast of the filmcast, right, we kind of start with like a little Tissy attempted humor remark at the beginning introducing yourselves. And you're saying They should do the same and then whoever is funny not even like an intro like that. justust like start the conversation Whatever whoever gets to it first Whever kind of a rais to see. Whever has the funniest thing to say first. Yeah they should go first. I think that is great. I have an alternate suggestion or maybe a complimentary suggestion U If it's become a thing, so much so that you're writing into us to adjudicate it, it's gotta be dire if you're writing into. Wouldn't it be fun? I always like to You know, what they say in improv, make the hole bigger Uh Come up with some reallyally fun Trink it. that you can bring with you like a the special coin that you flip on the way out, the right the cards, the deck of cards where who's going to draw the high card right Whatever works for you, like have something that's your special, who's gonna to start decider Bxens you know, or just something you can like pop into your pocket when you go to the movies. If you Google flip a coin, it flips a coin for you, which is something I've done with my kids to say who starts bath first and we obey the coin. the coin. Yeah you can even do it as an app on your phone. So like like you said. So then it could be and then it like it actually becomes this fun thing about o, who's going to talk first and it's not either of you dececiding it, it's just chance And then he gets fifteen heads in a row. And then craps all over every single film and now you hate each other. That's That's what happens. Also contact fancy Yilnertern version. Yeah. I'm just joking. I actually think that's a great idea. and yeah, make it into a fun thing. makeake it into like a cool funny a ritual that is specific to your relationship that you H fun disagreeing, have fun disagreeing. That's the key. are assholes to each other about a thing That speaks to deeper problems, you know And hey, those' you watch I watched Siskco andebirt and sometimes come to blows and call each other names during episodes. you know, those things are alive. like They got really personal about things. You don't have to be. You're not movie critics, right? So ake it easy. I mean, to be fair they didn't have to either, but you know, fair enough. No, they had to. They had. It was professional duty to see one. Yeah All right, folks. Well again, you can always write in with your movie related dilemmas to slash filmcast at gmail d. com and Mean. We hope this conversation has helped you out a little bit You're navigating the post Greening waters with your significant other. Be grateful you can even do that. I think that's the ultimate takeaway. what I wouldn't give to go to the movies with my wife Let's take a break for sponsor. 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I'm pretty sure somebody wrote in last week to suggest we check out the new James Cameron film Yeah. Yeah, same thing, same thing.. So I went to go see it Actually, literally the day we recorded the podcast I was so motivated. by that email and our conversation about it that I went to go see it that night I need to say it And I have thoughts first of all, James Cameron and Billy Eilish co directed the movie and you're probably wondering like what How is James Cameron involved? Like does it show any sign of James Camermer directing it You see the way the movie is structured is You basically see like a few songs performed. And then it cuts to some behind the scenes footage of Billy Eilish on tour putting the Tour show together on ayscraper dual wielding guns fighting a terminator. that's how we know and that'ice hanging out with James Cameron. James Cameron is often interterviewing her Often James Cameron has the he's shooting it. He has the camera on his shoulder Yeah, shooting it and interviewing her at the same time. She has do all over her face, a little camera rig mounted to her head Yeah She is but they're like talking about, okay, here's, you know, sometimes you see James Kameran like working on the film like, okay, let's get this shot. Let's have a guy with a camera here, blah, blah, blah U But other than him he's interviewing her and all other than the technology of the movie, It's not really obviously a James Cameron movie. I'm just put that out there. It's not like, o ye. o, there's a lot of evidence that James Cameron directed this. Also there's a lot of blue in the film. because of the lighting. So let's You can see from the post you just said two contradictory It is amazing that James Cameron has spent Decades of his life in the ocean documenting, you know, the natural wonders and then doing avatar for another set of decades of his life Now to our greatest natural ones. Billy Eish. That's right. She is culmination. his work. It's all to this. She's the treasure all along Hit me hard and soft the tour live in three D is one of the most technically impressive concert films I've ever seen U I saw Frosty from Collider describing it as like you it's like you're looking through a window at the concert And that's kind of true. There's definitely moments when it feels like, wow, this is the most immersive concert experience. I have ever had And unfortunately That is Murder by the frenetic editing that is in this film. Like there's just like any time The camera does not cut for longer than ten seconds This is one of the most incredible beautiful concert films I've ever seen my Sadly, most of the movie is not that. Sadly, it's cutting away with an incredible frequency and also You know, Billy Iish is co director. she wanted to highlight her relationship with the fans In this movie And so you get Tons of cutaways. to the audience So I just want you to imagine You're sitting there watching a movie, you're like, watching Billy Eilish on stage. There's a close up on her face You're you're watching her perform this in this feet of Samina and human creativity and ingenuity, the peak. of what you can see person do creatively with music Smash cut to A teenager screams singing into your face Really, really loudly for like a lot like, you know Ten twenty seconds. And it's like, look, the fans are great. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the fans. like there' no one's doing anything wrong here Like other than the filmakers. Uh, you know, the fans are great, like You pay to go see Billy Eis, you get toag This is just your greatest fear, Dave, like being face to face with teenagers. Oh yeah. that's absolute don't That's what we don't want. They'. I mean, I can understand that. I relate. It's it's u It's just such a jarring I'm like U my reaction is literally, I was enjoying the I was enjoying the Billy Isas concert and now why am I watching? The Billy Ilish Fan concert You know, like and there's so many cutaways to the fans that it just almost kills the movie for me Having said that when it's not on the fans It is astonishing. It's like, wow, like It honestly made me feel sad that this type of thing doesn't happen more often. like Oh know There's so many artists that I'm sure we would love to see them in concert, but they're playing in an arena that's far away or cost a thousand dollars or whatever. But you can go down to the theater and watch Uh three D HFR version of it And it's it feels just as good as being in the arena or like really promise of VR concerts and so many things like the Vision Pro like banked a lot on those things. Yeah. You saw that has not materialize in a mass market way yet, you know, because it's It's so hard to shoot. That's the thing. Yeah Yeah That metallica one that I talked about a while back is extraordinary and, you know, you feel like you're there. It's crazy. And that like you said, Davinjra, that was the promise of like, o, sporting events right Yeah everyone has the best seat in the house, you know, that that's hasn't really happened. If I believed that that ecosystem existed, right? Like where it was like robust ecosystem where I can buy it and I can see Red hot chili peppers and you know, why would you pick the worst band Wow. I dary you. I literally nam that Rndom in. Okay, You too, you know, whatever. like like we're talking about terrible band whereere I could go and experience, you know, that band like band like a bunch of bands like as though it was live, likeike I would totally buy We to get there. We're gonna get there guys. But the thing is like the head the whole headset thing was kind of it was a great experiment, right? I don't think it really went to where it needed to because not Not everybody wants to be closed off like that. You know what people probably do want is a thing about that I hate. Cosm People want the cosm. They want the big ass screen, they want the c all over their face. They want the cos. You're immersed. That's right. You're immersed with other people, but not just like trapped in your headset, but it's also still hyper realistic imagery that you're seeing as if you were there I agree that where it would be you like I've seen I'm going to go. I've seen video of cosm like sporting events and it looked awesome. It was like was amazing. This is a great way to experience a sporting event is like you feel like you're actually in the arena or in the stadium, right? And So anyway, hey, Dave, can I ask you a good question? Yeah Aprop of nothing. Yep How can you tell the size of a red hot chili pepper I don't know, Jeff Give it away, give it away, give it away now. Thank you Thank you for that Jeff has waited thirty years to they that All right, back back to the nineties folks. Yeah Billy Eilish h hit me hard and soft The tour live in three D and the other thing I'll say about this is that you really have to see in theaters. like I cannot imagine this having anywhere near the same impact And Or now we're going reverse or in a VR headset if they ever make it available because that is the only way you're going to get the three D and the HFR, but they don't release too many things like that. So's right Avatar. That's right. is there in Vision Pro. It's there on like some of the Ocula stuff through where you can watch it in full format That's that's your only choice. Did you saw it in HFR? I believe so, yeah. And there are moments that are transcend. I'm watching, I'm like I have never experienced Wing a concert after the fact in something that is as immersive and realistic looking as it's like, wow, this is amazing. like There are a bunch of moments where I'm like, this is incredible. L And then cut to the audience again and I'm ripped out of the ripped out of the situation. That's every concert film though. That's like you're gonna have a lot of, you know, My wife saw it with me and she said This gives me a really good sense of what it's actually like to go to a Billy Iles concert, which reaffirms my lack of desire to ever go to a Billy Ias concert, which is to say it's just a sea of people's hands holding up Smartphonees recording I'm telling multiple Taylor Swift concerts. Any concert. We have, we have we have. you know, but how is that different? How is that? That's just concert going now. Yeah. That's just concert going today. That's true. Yeah, that's true So I didn't I don't have an issue with that in general. I just is like Yeah you have to understand guys. I don't think you don't you don't understand how immersive these cameras are, right? Like you are face to face with these people. You can see their brain Listen when I you the story and watching Billy Lyn's long halftime walk and saying, this is the biggest Vin Diesel face I've ever seen And it looks like he's right in front of me. It's a terrifying prospect. But this technology is kind of amazing for things like this. Maybe not things like narrative films, but doocumentaries. That's right sports like HFR is amazing stuff. I I was considering going to see this and was, you know, just because you' Yeah hype around it. And u There doesn't seem to be easily accessible info as to whether your screening has HFR or not. Yeah. Youve gott to go to the big screen. So either shouldine. big screens or IMac, yeah Let me tell you a somewhat funny story of us failing to do things correctly in Portugal as usual. Uh We decided like relatively late in the day, Hey, I want to go see this Billy Eilish concert movie for the nine thirty PM screening And so we rush to the screening and like buy the tickets and I know exactly how much time the the trailers take in Portugal, it's like ten to fifteen minutes instead of twenty five minutes. And so we walk in tenen minutes past showtime Ready to go I immediately I'm like also one of the thing As we're buying the tickets Uh They're only six Eururos typically they're eight Eururos. I'm like, oh, wow bargain for u for the Billy Eilish three D concert, ammazing. Six euros instead of the typical eight euros That's weird because they're playing like this playing in a really nice H huge theater screen Walk into the theater ten minutes. Imediately I noticeed something is wrong which is We don't have any three D glasses.. And it turns out you need to buy the three D glasses separately. For how much? Two Euros. So it's actually It adds up to eight and then you get to keep the glasses afterwards. likeike it's understood you'll keep them. That's awesome. So I'm like those in your daily life and have them Wear them around like hip kid The Mechos movie? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, on the one hand It's it makes a lot more sense in an era when we're releasing more three D films Uh, on the other hand, you know, um Do you want to wear threey glasses that have been worn by eight hundred people before? You know, like and now you get to keep them, you know, you get to bring them in next time ready for Billy Iilish two. Ready for Billy Alish to softer, I guess hard the cops harder and softer. The cops at the theaters taking all of your three D glasses in America. That's a it's a crime. Like we shouldn't allow for that, right? It's not as if you could just walk out of a theater with a pair of three D glasses in America, right? Well, I think people do with some regularities I was he was making. I get it. It's no different. I get No different. Yeah, but so yeah, I guess like there's a surcharge in the United States, right? Like it costs extra And then you're supposed to return the three D glasses afterwards, and many people don't And so functionally, it's about the same thing as what you're saying. you know. So Except you are charged just once in Europe, which is kind of nice. Right? Youour charg just once kind So nice. If you it worked out a better system guys. I had a better I'm maybe going to talk about this when we get to our review of obsession, but since you brought up the timing your entry thing for me, I u I always, you know, I'm trying to avoid the trailers So ofttenimes I'm, you know, I'm I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I'm a stubs Aist. M D Dlist man So I I go to NanC and I u I usually leave my house. about the start time of the movie. Yes. Yeah. And I did so with obsession Right And arrived there. Uh I don't know, maybe five, seven. ten minutes late to do. And usually that means I have fifteen minutes of standing outside the Theatater And I do my usual thing when I'm standing outside the theater and I'm kind of listening to tone and tenor of the usually you can tell trailers bombast. You know, even if you're not listening to the detail of it, you hear the There's a There's a rhythm That is very trailer, you know, you get Yes. Yes. And then I hear the dip and I look in and I see the green thing come up and I'm like, okay, another the trailer st the traileride I get there. standing outside theater, it's like ten minutes after the show's about to start or show showime, you know, posting showime I don't hear bombast Yeah, and I dip my head in and a chill goes down your spine and that happens. Yep. I Could not believe what was happening. Yes, the movie has started. The movie has started. M And I go into my I find my seat, there's a guy sitting like one seat away from me and and I lean over and I go, this is the movie I know. I know it was weird. I was like, I was so in a state of disorrientation and panic. Like I was like, look at this noobe over here. N never been to theater, but Yes. It's start now. Itest thing I could have said. I was like, is this the movie? A movie. A movie is a set of images that when projected with light in rapid succession give the illusion of motion Yeah Yeah What I What is this room No I was like, is this the movie? and the guy so nice He goes, Yeahah, they started it early No's on he's on ball with you. Yeah Yeah. And then dude, I'm telling you guys Sometimes We talk at length about all the annoying people. that you encounter, the people who take their shoes off and put their feet up on the the people that are talking, the people that are disruptive. We talk at length This other end of the spectrum. That dude He leaned all the way over the empty seat between us and he goes All you've missed is he was like feeling really anxious at the beginning and he's just been sitting here kind of feeling anxious. Nothing's happened yet. You're cool. You're good M And I was like, you sir are a saint. That is thisice. It was the coolest thing. You me that? We didn't know each other from Adam 's That not something That's certainly not something Jeff would have done for someone else You know what? Now I'd like to think that I would have. Okay. Be I was clearly in a state of frazzle. Yeah. I was. I was down in Frazzle Rock. You know what I'm saying? I was I was out of sorts. Yes. And And like, but like where do they get off You know? starting the movie on time or I've had that happen a couple times. Yeah. it's I don't remember. there was a movie we saw in the last year where I walked in like fifteen minutes in the movie had already started. So sometimes the MC throws you for a loop, man. It really It's not cool Really suck So that ruin not cool now I got to get there on time and wait the full twenty five minutes Like some kind of idiot I theater I'll tell you my approach, Jeff, which is to split the difference and do like arrive like ten minutes in. So that way they did ten minutes. I missed ten minutes of the movie. Oh, so there's no tr ten minutes Sometimes it got there was tenutes and then like the movie just starts right there. I mean, I don't know, honestly. He said it, you know, it just started. So I don't know how much I missed honestly. And I don't think it was very much because It sounds like it's about like two minutes of the movie, you know, it' just very disturbing. So you got it I think five minutes in then Jeff, you know, like five minutes That's the optimal It's not cool. And they agree. Now they've gotten to posting on their site. moovie will start twenty to twenty five minutes after but it's lies. It's a lie It's lies. Its's like there's a person in charge of that Yes, the women whimsy of some seventeen year old who could just push starts. All right Anyway anyway, sorry, sorry glad we did that now instead of dray, that was Billy Iish Billy Eyelishes hit me H and soft, the tour live in three D U I don't even know if it's available in theaters anymore. Like I think it's being phased out especially It's being phased out this week by Lor to big Yeah, if you find on the big screen, you you have it just see it. it is It's like, oh wow, that's really cool. That is a really cool presentation of conert. And that is one thing I' be watching this week Let's take another break for a sponsor. We'll be back with more what we've been watching right not to this. Jersey sets the global stage for FIFA World Cup twenty six Epic matches, including the History making Final, come for the games Stay for the wow New Jersey, where the world meets its match. Get in on the action at visit nj. org. 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And why did you want to Why did you want to check it out this week Well,, so I watched Blue Heron, which is the debay feature of Sophie Vambari, a director who has produced many shorts, I think have been really well received and I used to follow her on Twitter back in the day, I think And I just suggest this to you guys because this movie has an insane amount of buzz. Just a lot of people are talking about this as one of the best movies of the year And I tend to perk up and listen when people are mentioning things like that. This is a film that follows a family, an immigrant family as they move into a new home in Vancouver Island And you just observe the family dynamics. It is very much about memory and sort of like the director kind of recounting something that they personally had gone through. But you feel a sense of like somebody looking back at their childhood. Um, And it's a very like organic naturalistic film where you slowly start to see these family dynamics where You know, people just moved to a place they're trying to make a home there and they're having some trouble with one of their siblings and the parents are having trouble with one of the kids. And the film is very much about the dynamic of dealing with that. I think this is a beautifully directed, really well observed film about memory about childhood and about likeike a sense of loss too, like a sense of You trying to reconstruct what happened in your own childhood. And I think it's just it's genuinely fascinating. This is an incredible film Jeff Canadi, you also had a chance to see Blue Heron along with myself. What did you think of his movie Yeah, I didn't like it. U I I can respect DavVin's position and a lot of people I guess this by the way, immediately. Yeah immediately because It has A S son syndr It does have after It is very much It has recollection of somebody's childhidden memories. And that is what I find compelling. But yeah, let me know, Jeff Yeah, no, I I can understand why one would like it, and I totally respect your position liking it and so many other people that I respect. I read Walter Chw's glowing comments about it and others, you know This is not one of those movies where I'm like, how can anyone like that? I could totally understand it clicking with people and being something that feels resonant and profound and it's a daring kind of film. I mean, there's a There's a thing about it that we're not going to share but It like, it does something strructurally right that is I think bold and interesting and kind of disorienting at first for an audience, but I think very ultimately kind of Interesting Um It's also a movie, it has Aftersun syyndrome, but it is also a movie about a neurodivergent kid among a family of people trying to handle that. and You know, it was pretty triggering for me in a lot of ways in that You know, it's this is something that I deal with, uh, on the regular and um You know, it's it's it's hard to watch. It's hard to watch u it's it's a It's a tough You know, what I think the movie does well is show the dichotomy of that situation, which is something that I and very resonated with me, very I'm very familiar with is the At times it is absolutely deranging and catastrophic to the family unit, this to have this sort of a kid that just doesn't whose brain just doesn't work like everybody else's And then other times it's like the most beautiful, serene, wonderful And you live both of those realities at the same time Intermittently, u And so I think the movie does a great job of encapsulating that. Um But it's also a very pressing movie and I found it really u reallyally hard. it is it is I don't think it I don't think H' hereere's what I'll say That might not make sense I don't think it's enough It kind of it goes a certain place and I understand for this filmmaker, it is exactly what She wanted it to be And I respect that and I respect the people who resonate with it. For me, it was not enough. It's like It's like two thirds of the way to actually dealing with something, in my opinion And I didn't think it far enough to sort of what it's trying to get at Um So anyway, it didn't work for me, but I can totally understand a lot of people really liking it. I can't That's an interesting way to put it though, Jeff, like it not being enough because I think that is That is a feeling that is essential to this movie. It is sort of like trying to reconstruct history and it's like You don't have all the facts and you don't It's what the people did wasn't enough. The way this person your family was treated was not enough. Like you were You're going to spend the rest of your life trying to make sense of what happened and it'll never be enough kind of. Well, you know, we were just talking about Meghgan's film court case about not wanting to take a crap all over something that a lot of people like or someone else likes. and Uh I don't wantan to do that either. And I'll just say I really really say I can understand, Jeff, because I understand you, Jeff. I get it. I get it. This is very much like, oh, you're also kind of watching somebody's home movies, which I clock that as a criticism of after. I was like that's actually something I enjoy in a sense. like if you're crafting a narrative around that Go on, Dave I mean I mean, look, there's several things about the movie that obviously resonate with me. One is this idea of this immigrant family trying to make their way in a Pacific Northwest God. to, right? Like trying to restart isn't mix stpe in a way like it's Pacific Northwest childhood. you know, showing us thereah And if people got something out of it, that's wonderful. you know, I don't want to like take away from that. haaving said that Nothing about this movie really, other than those aspects, which are like very mild Nothing about this movie worked for me at all. That's And I If we weren't talking about on the podcast, I would have stopped watching it about twenty minutes and probably is my guess It's just not a thing. this structure, the tone, the ultimate conclusions, like what what the movie is there there is a lot of what I would describe as telling, not showing that happens in the second half of the film that I just think is kind of disastrous to the film U None of it worked for me and that's a shame, but hey, it doesn't take away from the fact that a lot of people are like very moved by this film and find it to be a profound experience. and so I don't wish to take away from that. But yeah, it was not for me and that is all I have to say about it You know, I was talking about when it seemed like it You know, Ebert and Ciskl and Ebert wanted to just fight each othero start just punching each other. Yeah I it resonates now. My memory of that. understand it. I life. basasically what fifteen scant minutes can bring me understanding. I don't know what I don't know why the idea of film critics punching each other makes more sense to me now than more sense to me now than it did fifteen minutes ago, but you know. in the hindsight of memory, everything becomes clear The movie and I'm sorry didn't work for you because I think I think this movie is tremendous and it does It does a lot. It's ninety minutes long. It paints like a a very compelling portrait of his family. And it's heartbreaking. Like it is genuinely heartbreaking. It is The conclusions aren't enough because like what you ultimately come to is somebody in the family was kind of treated in a way that was not Good enough maybe not what they deserved, maybe not in the best interest of the family, but also limited by things that were available at the time. L it is brereaking in the way that This is all they had. This is kind of the best way they need to deal with the situation. and the heartbreak is that There is no answer There's no solution here. It's just It's trying to put together a puzzle that is missing many pieces, you know, and you're just trying to make sense of the outcome of that puzzle. I found it really compelling and we're well active. another thing I will say in to compleiment the movie is I think the performances are reallyally amazing. I agree I mean, the movie kind of skirts this line between like, is this a documentary? Is this a fictional f? The fact, you know, pulling that kind of performance off where you kind of don't even know Are we looking at the real people here? We we looking at actors? betraying the real people. I mean that that becomes clear by the end, but It is, I think the performances are Lly. I mean, theyre very very naturalistic, very grounded. and and so yeah, I will say that implemented. I don't know. I don't know. David sound like nothing about this movie worked for you. Oh, oh, you like some of the performances. Okay, that sounds like something. Okay That sounds like something. A great. A great. I do want to point out, I think the parents Yeah the actors who portray the parents in this film are incredible. Like just you immediately understand maybe because I'm coming into it as a parent and understanding the struggle to you and you probably had these feelings to, Jeff. It's just like, The mom is so overwhelmed. It is summer. She doesn't know what to do with these kids. like you just Gotta take care of him. But dad is like, doing stuff. Like he's doing artsy stuff, like he's trying to communicate with his kids, especially the troubled kid in like a very specific way But it also seems like it's not enough. likeike he's holding himself up in certain ways too, But I find that Dynamic, just really interesting and kind of infuriating at times. I felt so much for the mom, but I felt for both parents because they are faced with this impossible situation of trying to keep their family together. And it's It's tough. It is just genuinely, genuinely tough. So I don't know, this film generally moved me. I think it's really, it's well worth watching It's an incredible work that's only ninety minutes to me The movie is Blue Herron, It is out in limited release in the US right now All right, let's move on. Jeff Cannota hit us upis some of you watch this week Well, I checked out the new Disney plus Marvel one shot. I'm going call it a one shot. That's what they call them in comics. comics parls It's called Punisher One Last Kill And, you know, I'm not caught up with the Daredevil Born Again series, which people are raving about U But. just like in comics. A new number one. is easier to jump onto than jumping on, you know a long running series is a new number one. We got a a single Not even full hour long. I think it's like fifty one minutes U punisher one last kill Sts a title that's a lie, by the way, right? It is a title that is ab punisher No it is a lie. comeome on I think it's meant to be ironic by the end. R Ram But Uh. So he I am of two minds about this thing. I think this this Did you have you seen it to Dininger I've not seen it, but I very I was curious as to why did they make this? We saw the pter in the thing in Daredevil just recently Yeah. and like I said, I have not caught up that. So I have not seen Wh where they leave punisher off in although it seems pretty clear what has happened at the beginning, you know, before the beginning of this show Um But You know There was a period when Marvel was really cooking and Marvel, you know, cinematic Universe was really cooking. and you'd say like, well, This is you know, X genre with superheroes, you know, like this is that movie, but with superheroes. like they did, you know, Day of the Condor, but with superheroes, you know with Captain America stuff Like they did, they did a seventies spies thing, with superheroes. They did a wacky buddy comedy but with superheroes I would say Punisher one last kill is them doing Deer hunter With superheroes Which I don't know what if anybody watched that? Did anybody work? Incredible. All the dads grandads out there who love the deer hunter. Yeah. Yeah,' This movie is amazing comparison. Two weird halves fuse together. The first half Is this Crazy uh, you know into madness basically, where you have the punisher losing grip on reality you know, and and kind of uh, feeling u feeling all the feelings, like deep in his feelings. it's John Berurnhal just emoding hard and screaming and sitting next to Graves and like it's just it is Isn't that tortued by the death of his family, Jeff No, I get it But it is it's far more than that. I mean, it's deer. It's like it's PTSD for a half an hour. And It's not good, in my opinion. notot good. The fundamental premise of this is Pposterous Um, in my opinion, the Premise starts with you Destroyed all of the mobsters. in town which created U, which made there's evidently there's a bunch of people who just want to do crime and the mob had been focusing them on a thing keeping them I don't know Contained. But once the mob is not there All the people who just want to do crimes who just have crime in them. are free to do crimes because the mob isn't stopping them. That's how work punisher did that.ee, punishers. and limited them up. We know the only thing stopping people from doing crime is the mob doing the crime, you know, organizing the crime. If there wasn' an organized crime, there'd just be random crime That's That's a whole bunch of crrye babies out there just doing little crimes. I guess That's Yeah fundamental premise of this, which like doesn't make any sense to me So then the second half of this is just. One long action sequence And that Frigin rules So you have like all this setup and all this like Whoe is me, you know, John Bernthhal just screaming into the heavens and hating himself and having weird visions and like it's just So self indulgent and not interesting in my opinion And then it gets to this kick ass John Wick style, I'm going to murder four hundred dudes over the next twenty eight minutes And that is incredible. It's shot incredible. But basased on how it was set up you realize that he is murdering people I mean, it is brutal. This is tenense violence, like brutal horrific. Gory violence But for people that are just wanting to do like regular crimes, L I understand crime is bad. We don't want crime, but this is like guys like property crimes, right? Like person hatching the lady that guy. You know, the guys that like Spider Man would like web their hands to a wall, you know, and then the cops would come put them. Like the punisher is ripping their throat out, you know? That's what's happening for twentyw eight solid minutes. He's just in the center ring and the same town as Spider Man in the same town the same town as Spider Man. Yeah. Yeah And like where's the cops? I don't know. the cops stories Where the other heroes? Where's Yeah? Where any literally anyone? Where Daredevil? I don't know U So we're hanging out together in the new daredevil. so So it's like it it's like it makes sense. or not it makes sense. It's fun if you want a b Friaking incredible gory action sequence delivers that and it keeps going and going and going and he gets the crap kicked out of him and he keeps going and it's it's like it's really good. I mean, there's, you know, people are upset about that one shot and that one shot sucks But it's just one shot the one There is a shot during an accion scene where the punish is falling backwards into like a metal Yeah It looks and it looks bad But it's one shot. and that's gone by rest. The sequence is Awesome So it didn't bother me that much. and everybody's all up in arms about it, but who cares I'm more up in arms about how the show opens and that it is literally likeike It kind of makes no sense and it's cognitively dissonant And Jeff, you were describing The fundamental problems I have with punisher as a character entirely Why does this character exist He in the world where you got Spider Man out there doing his d this to web up the bad guys so they don't like fall to their death or something, there was a certain moral universe for the superheroes and punisher always felt like this weird ninetyies response are like, yeah, but what if it was Rambo in the city? What if you just shot everybody You answered your own question. The answer is nineties, right? It's because he was introduced as a villain. For Spider Man to combat. and then the nineties happened and it was all antiheroes all the way down. It was Wolverine and Lobo and you know, punisher. And so it was like, o, this guy's actually cool. And so he became a hero and he was never intended to be a hero. He was intended to be the guy that does the thing that Spider Man promised he would never do. And so Spider Man has to stop him because his methods are Twisted But what if they were friends, Jeff? What if they were friends? which we will learn about? Right Later. Yeah Yeah, I did not think this was good, but then it like it's got this kick ass action sequence. I'm like, I can't deny that that is I mean, there's some amazing stuff that happens in that action su.'s it's just this nonstop one place to another to another to another and we're just murdering people gruesomely. C you enj Can you enjoy it when that conive cognitive distance is there Right? It is like this is the universe. We got our big damn superheroes where it's like there should be some sort of moral code. I don't know. I have a problem with it personally. Yeah, but I'm have John Wick at home. I don't need John Wickon in my MCU. Well,. if you'll recall, I mean, I think we reviewed the first John Wick like three days after a mass mass shooting It's always three days after a mass shooting in America, but Um, And I had a hard time just enjoying that movie because of that. And so, you know, there is this and it's like You can't stop thinking about the people he's murdering and how petty their crimes seem to. I mean, there's some people in the in the show that are also doing heinous things that he's murdering. But for the most part, he's just murdering average thugs And it's like, o, okay But he's really murdering them. You know like a lot Like in horrible horrible ways. he's having a little too much fun with it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. so I don't know. I did not think this was It's hard because it's like, well, if you're looking for just like a pure adrenaline, like skip the first twenty minutes and you'll get this like kick ass action sequence Punisher last kill And it is ran out whichich again, they want because he does go dozens and dozens of kills. under the last. Well, J I mean, Jeff Yeah, how do you know that the title is not referring to the last kill that he does in the film? Because I mean, if you want me to spoil it, I itilil. It is larly ironic changing his name to the caregiver. Yeah He's never going to punish anybody ever again after this short Allright. U That's punisher one last kill and it is something Jeff Konot has been watching this week and it's available right now on Disney pllus, I believe, right? So that is where you can watch That movie We're gonna to take one more break for sponsor. We'll be back with more what we've been watching right after this. 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All right, Dver your hardware. hit us up with something else you've been watching week Yeah, I get to check out as I mentioned earlier. I saw is God is. A new film by Alicia Harris. This is an adaptation of her own play, twenty eighteen play that's been like critically praised for the past few years And this film was initially pitched as like a Tarantino esque revenge story because that's what it is. at its heart. So if you look at the trailer of this movie, a lot of Tarantino vibes and kindind of that There is kind of that going on. It's about two sisters, two like twenty something sisters who are disfigured from a. something that happened in their childhood. They were both horribly burned. One sister is more burned on her face and is more like clearly disfigured and another has you know burns on her arms. But they're very close together, they're twins. They live, you know a life together. they bonded together because society looks at them and does not really accept them most of the time and the real start of this movie is they get in touch with their mother who they did not know. Um was alive was also involved in this burn accident and are given a simple mission kill their father. Their father was the one who basically tried to kill the mother by burning her in a bathtub and the girls were, you know, injured in that whole process. It is very much a stylistic revenge story. and It's it's an exploration of those kinds of films and you know, the sort of like lingering sense of trauma. that your parents can leave you with. It very it's not a very subtle like kind of what they're doing here because the Burns are very much on these sisters And it's something they've had to live with and carry and perhaps murder perhaps doing what their mother asked who they call God because she's the one who created them, maybe that is what they were chosen to do in society. So It is a very interesting It's a very interesting spin on Revenge story. It's very southern too with an entirely black cast from what I can tell and some great names like the Sisters are played by Kari Young and Malory Johnson. But Janell Monet shows up in here. Vivka Fox Michael T. Williamson, who I love seeing in everything and and some other folks and some other folks. like they bring in somebody really great to play the father, which you'll see in the trailer. I think this film is fantastic. L it is incredibly well written. The dialogue between the sisters and kind of how they build up this story and just sort of like absurdity of what they're sent off to do It it's they are dealing with that. They're like, I can't We're not murderers. like I'm not going to do this. but they slowly like talk themselves into doing certain things. It's set in like a very heightened environment where, you know, you've got people running a cult, which the story kind of takes them into there like a Christian cult. They run into people the sort of like aftermath that their father leaves They run into people who theirir father who's essentially a devil, like a completely evil person leads a life of destruction, you know, harming women,, doing things that are not great, but society kind of just lets him off the hook So Think of like the purest revenge story you can tell with like a great southern twist and that is what this movie is. I think the film itself is, like I said, really well written, but also You can tell that Alicia Harris this movie in her brain. I love a director. like you can tell when oh yeah, they spent years storyboarding this. likeike every shot feels purposeful, every scene feels purposeful K kind of like the first time you watched the Matrix. And you're like, whyy does this work so well It's because they literally laid out the entire movie as like a graphic novel. They had those shots in their heads. They kind of knew what they were going to go for. And you get that feeling here It's incredible. It is worth a trip to the theater because I think like the imagery here, the shots are just really fantastic. This is a beautifully cinematic film which I think could easily be reduced to like, you know a streaming movie or something and something much smaller. But what it is, like this is a gorgeous revenge story that definitely deserves to be talked about alongside Tarantino's work, Park Tend Wook's work. It is dealing with the idea of revenge or the idea of lingering trauma. I think it does that in really beautiful and poetic ways. So yeah, highly recommended. That's is God is. It's in theaters now I've heard great things about this one. I'm looking forward to checking out Is God Is as well myself. And it's in theaters right now and Divining is a big Jeff, let's do one last what we've been watching before we head off to our review Yeah, real quick. we've all talked about Widows Bay, the show that's on Apple TV plus right now and raved about it. But I had not seen episode four of this first season when we talked about it last week. Episode four just happened this week And I think it is one of the finest episodes of television I've seen in a while, it is It works as a standalone piece. You know, we've talked about shows before that have had U like Mythic Quest. there's that like standalone episode that's so great. You could watch season one episode four. It's called Beach Reads is the name of the episode You can watch that without having watched any other episode in the series. It works almost like a Twilight zone episode I think it is staggeringly good. and It is an episode that doesn't focus on the main character of the series. It doesn't focus on the Matthew Reese character. It focuses on his character's assistant, Patricia who's played by Kate O'Flynn. And she is incredible inccredible and Matthew Mes is almost completely nonxistent in the in this episode And it is this is a heartbreaking beautiful sururreal supernatural but it's intensely relatable. She's just kind of wants have friends on this island and the things that she's willing to go to, she finds this book and she tries it's a self help book Uh, it is Such an amazing episode I hope people are watching the show. and if you arent not watching the show or're not interested in watching the show Just watch this one episode because it' Gobs smackingly good in my opinion I would agree. I think it's an incredible episode. I mean, it has You're right it is a standalone episode. It has a direct tie in with the previous episode, I believe. Well, yeah, but ye it helps fill out the world of this entire show. So it is not a complete departure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I'm trying I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm trying to say that It is further enriched if you've watched the rest of the show. Also technically Patricia is Tom's corker and not his assistant because his assistant is another a care . But all that said, I agree with Jeff that this episode is amazing. This was really when I locked into the show. I was like, oh holy shit. L this episode takes things up to another level You know, of of escalation and intensity, unlike what the rest of the show has been even to this point and cemented the show to me as a work of genius. So strongly recommend Widows Bay, which is airing right now in Apple TV pllus or Apple TV, it's called now Uh and that is what we've been watching this week. All right, folks, let's get to a few weekly plugs We're going to do weekly plugs P Weekly plugs part a show each week where we plug something else we've been making. I want to throw a shout out to Deoding TV, the podcast that I do weekly with Patrick Klepk, where we talk about what's latest and greatest in the world in television O our bonus decoding TV feed, we are discussing the boy season five By the way, I think is a Game of Thrones level disisaster In terms of how bad the final season of the booys is going w I mean, Game of Thones level without the second the next word, I really felt like could go either way There you go You should have said Game of Thrones level genius and I would have been like, o, That's right. Akin to I should have said akin to Game of Thrones final season in terms of how poorly it has been received Uh, and It is astonishing. It's it's so bad that what's happening is People are posting clips from Dan Trachtenberg's episode of The Boys the pilot episode and being like, guysys, remember when the show used to be good And like pointing out how good Den Tractemer's work was meanwhile, you know, we're at the very end of the show's run and sadly it's not going well. Anyway, that's' the decoding TV bonus paid feed I don't understand though that they name checked him in a very funny way. That's correct. I actually had the pleasure of informing him about that. So it was Dan Tracktenberg is referenced in the final season of Bys very funny way, quuite hilarious fashion.Quite hilarious fashion So and accurate All right. 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No See, what kind of spillge you put on her So then the guy tells the bartender Third, and I think this is where I really fucked up. I wish I had a chocolate cake for a head That's good. That's a good one. That's one of the best ones you've done, Dave I mean, it's no Rd hot chili peppers joke, but you know, yes. That one comes from Reddit, FYI Anyway It's time for our review of Obsession here on the film cast. I'm going to read the plot summary from IMDB after breaking the mysterious One Wish Willow to win his crush' heart hopeless romantic finds himself getting exactly what he asked for, but soon discovers that some desires come at a dark sinister price and quote I think your hardware Let's start with you. What do you think of Curry Barker's obsession I think this is as close to perfect as a horror thriller can be. I love this movie. It's a great concept. The idea talk about Twilight Zone, by the way, like it's very Twilight Zonie sort of premise. of like, o, your greatest wish can come true. but not in the way you expect or bad things will happen. I think it's a really it dives into something that also I think we can all kind of relate to that sense of being that love ln person who was like, I really like this person, I reallyish I wish they could just like me back. I wish they could just like me back. It' such a relatable thing But it also goes so far, reminds me a bit of like a promising young woman in that it is also very much about the sort of like the evil The banal evil of nice guys basasically. like somebody who thinks they're a good guy And through all respects, they kind of are except until Maybe they're pushed to a point where like things go bad and they' revealed not to be. I found I can't stop thinking about this movie, just like how well constructed it is The lead performances, but especially Iie Navarat like she is inccredible in this movie. like the sort of like way she vaccillates from being like a manic Pixie dream girl to U Demon, like a straight up like horror monster at times the opposite of a manic fixy dad It is this movie knows what it's doing. like when it's when it's having a character do that in a way. And this is such like a playful use of that tone. and also Despite the horror, like despite how bad it gets, it gets really intense and really insane This movie is funny. Like it's funny in a way, like there's an underlying current of dark comedy through this movie that even hits like in the last act after things have gone too shit. And it reminds me of like things you know, we've talked about I keep bring up a movie like Bring her backack which is a great horror premise. But the more I think about movies like that, the ones that just like revel there in the sort of like misery of it all and like never have a moment to sort of like, I don't know be playful or anything I vastly prefer horror movies like this, like ones that can get a little crazy and get a little intense, but hit real hard in many ways and also Do it, do it with a smile on its face. This is a wonderful juggling of tones in this movie. and yeah, this is horror that goes hard This is this year's weapons in more ways than one, right? I'll talk about this in spoilers, but it's funny like what a cinematic universe is being created here. Jeff can out of your thoughts on Obsession Well, Dave, I guess you could say my thoughts on obsession are best summed up F. Limerick Let's hear it tough. I know it can be quite frustrating as a dude who is self deprecating too express yourself without any help Come on, dude, that's just dating U Nice. I mean, I guess it doesn't really summ up my thoughts at all, but still that's the limericight. Yeah, There was a little false advertising at the beginning of that one A I also think this movie is pretty awesome. I have one big major gripe that I want to get to at spoilers. Mostly, I feel very positive about it. and you're right DaVindra Indy Nvearette is this is like a star turn for incredible It is like cat going to catapult her into the next echelon of something. I mean, she's, she's amazing in it And I think Michael Johnston is reallyally good too. These are really very subtle, beautiful performances, very unlike the kind of you know, low budge horror movie performance that you you may think of in your head as being a little over the top or a little cheesy. likeike these this is This is like a real relationship grounded, you know, indie relationship movie that just happens to get Re fucked up. But U'm did not I still prefer a companion from a couple years ago to this, which I think treads on similar themes and The reason why I prefer that movie, I think I'll have to get to spoilers, but You know, I think this movie does a lot of things really well. it is like you said, DVinra, you immediately You know, maybe we should have had a woman on to discuss this movie. It is a very interesting construct this film. because it is told very much from the perspective of the young man in this situation. And therefore, as someone who lived through this and was a product of that John Hughes generation where I genuinely thought You're not supposed to tell the girl you like her. You're just supposed to be there. and tell her you' friends. And then one day she'll realize you were the one like we were lied too in the eighties, you know? Yeah. And you know, I very much related to this dude veryer early on the movie you, she's like, do you like me? And he's like, No no, no, we're friends. you know. it's like I did that stupid stuff. and I very much related to it But where this movie is an interesting construct is The real horror of this movie is happening to the girl But we are not inside her experience at all. We are external to it. and everything is filtered through the dude's experience So it's this kind of weird like inside out strange structure where like I actually am more sympathetic to the horrors that are happening to Nicki in this movie. But she's also the antagonist, you know? So it is u it's I think it's doing some interesting things. I wish it went farther. I mean, a lot of this movie is just on the edge of talking about gender politics in the twenty twenties And I wish it was more direct about that. I wish it was more interesting. Like a lot of the problem here is that Bear the male character in this movie like doesn't want to do anything. Like you said to not be a nice guy You know, like hand. the worst thing that could happen is that she said she would say he did something that she didn't want whichich, you know, I understand where we are in twenty twenty, right And and should be that way. like you shouldn't do things that a woman doesn't want I wish the movie was more bolder in its approach to that dynamic because I think it kind of gets to the edge of that and doesn't really tackle it And it doesn't really tackle kind of the fundamental problem with male and female relations in the twenty twenties that I think is kind of at the heart of this thing, but The movie just kind of isn't interested in that. It's more interested in giving you this wild thrill ride and it does deliver a wild thrill ride I wish it was a little more ambitious. for what it is that said, it's Darn good fun if you're into this kind of thing. like it gets grizzly. I mean, it gets it's it's a goopy grizzly horror movie. There's a kill in this movie I don't think I've ever seen before. Really it's really clever use of objects that are around you. Yeah Yeah U, But you know, I do have some gripes we'll get to in spoilers, but for the most part, it's it's a thumbs up for me Boy, Jeff, I feel like our reviews align like one hundred percent on this one, which is to say I had a blast of this one as well. And I want to start by saying that This movie is, in my opinion, a pretty remarkable achievement The budget for this movie is about one million dollars. It's already made sixteen million dollars. in its opening weekend And I think that Small budget movies Cull off That is to their credit when They feel like they are giving you but a glimpse of a broader world that is just out of frame that you don't see. Yes. know. As an example like Ten Cloverfield Bay, another great small budget movie by friendriend of the showh Den Trackenberg U there was u, What was that one with Elizabeth Moss and Mark Duplus? U the one I love, I think Yeah, that was such a great movie R whichich is very again, another tiny movie with only a few actors, like only a few locations. like these are tiny, tiny, tiny movies uh that And like, oh, there's this whole supernatural sci fi, whatever world happening. You don't see it. But it' the invitation, the invitation invitation. you know, yeah, yeah yeah. So I love T Cloverfield name, but that was still a Cloverfield movie. So sure the ones that are really like sub ten million veryer few people you recognize in them. I'm pretty sure that Tenlo Vilin was budget like five million dollars, is my under.. So like ye I put barbarians in that Barbarian Yeah, yeah, yeah. ye. So theseese are like really low bud relatively lowud, I think barbarians like closer to ten million, right? Five to ten million. Anway. I, one million is a razy budget. Yes. And it is so this movie, Obsession does that. It does the thing where it's just a few people. It's like a handful of locations and already you feel like, wow, there's like all this stuff going on in the world that's wild and out there that like we're only getting a glimpse of What an accomplishment I think It's amazing to be able to live in a world where I'm watching Cy Barker's TikToks, you know a few years ago. And then now he's launching an international film that millions of people will see. and he's already, I believe he's already shot his next film that is sounds really interesting as well and that people can just like, you know, I don't know how important he thinks the TikToks were to his being able to land a movie deal, but like I imagine it wasn't nothing. The backom guy the backroom guy was just a dude, nineteen twenty year old dude who's now making an A twenty four film. So yeah. And so it's it's astonishing to kind of see the speed with which that's happening now in this new. media economy that we're in, right? which is different than like the world that we came up in. and so or maybe Hollywood is just desperate for do ideas. Desperate. There's a lot of desperation going on here abbsolutely is the one genre where this can happen. and it continues to happen. and you know Parr is one of the few genres outside of superhero films where like somebody can make a low budget movie and that movie makes a one hundred doars to two hundred million dollars, you know, these days U And so it's just it it's a huge accomplishment U Jeff, going back to your review, I think you're right. This is a thrll ride and it is just a lot of fun And per what both of you have said Indeveret, this is a star turn, like an incredible performance that's like Everyone's going to know who she is after this, I think. and Just amazing to watch A couple of other the filmmaking things to also praise. One is, I think this movie uses shadows in a way that's really interesting. Oftentimes the characters and particularly never character Nickey is like fully lit, not like in shadow or in shadow in like specific ways that and the movie's really really out there with it.'s It's not afraid to be like, Hey, we're not gonna to like this character at all or we're gonna like them in this specific way where you can't anything. There'll be a thing where you can like see the reflection in eyes. eyes so cool. Really cool, really c And also like the horror of like focus too, like where somebody is really unfocused in the background like anything that's unclear It leads to fear, you know Uh so Just as a cinematic experience, I think it's a great time. If you love P thrillers, if you love Slasher moovie, you know those kinds of movies, I think you'll have a great time watching Obsession Uh, having said all that Jeff, I also kind of align with you in that I mean, I think best horror films to me are the ones that transcend just being a genre exercise and becomes about As you said, gender polit takes to the twenty twenty or the nature of love itself. And there is some this this movie does gesture at some of that. I think that partarticularly, I think Um A lot of people seem to resonate with the idea of They're the protagonist of the film Um being potentially the true antagonist or the true villain. and like there's something that the movie's trying to say about As you said to Vindra, that this type of nice guy, right? What what is this type of nice guy and like Uh, Owardthly they might seem to be innocent, but actually they're doing some re pretty despicable or reprehensible thing. I don't even know how that's even a question. Like everything bad because in this way and the let's get to come But yeah, but so I think the movie is gesturing at some of that, but like I don't know that to me the movie really has anything sort of transcendently true to say about that topic personally And in particular, I think the reason for that is because These characters, I think are very thinly drawn I think U Bear and Niki, you just don't really get to know very much about them. And the Bear specifically, I think really only has one to two modes in this entire film. I think it's a fine performance, but like I don't think that character is asked to do very much beyond the one to two modes. And the one to two modes are like really intense and require a lot, but like Um I think as a result of the characters beinging Pretty thinly drawn The movie doesn't reach beyond the, hey, this is a really like fun experience to like Wow, this movie, like these characters represent these like paradigms that are going to resonate, you know, throughout the ages. Maybe it will and maybe this is an incorrect reading, but like and I pouush back a little bit on that too because like yeah, Bear the lead essentially has too much. sureure. so do many like young twenty somethings who their brains are not fully formed. They have not really discovered who they like they don't have personalities really. Part of their personality is being afraid of human connection And part of it is likes it's your sense of like not even feeling like you deserve this. Like there is a lot there is stuff going on there. And I do want to point out, I think the friend dynamic that they kind of bring up his his best bro Cooper Tomlinson's character That's really interesting That is a really interesting dynamic of somebody who is both trying to support him and also trying to be like Hey man Um Maybe maybe double think about you think twice about how you're presenting yourself or what you're trying to say here. What this movie is really about is about like emotional truths and how kind of being able to say those things, like not being true to yourself can kind of lead to more damage. So I was joking at the beginning, but also You can prevent so much heartache, so much heartache in your lives. And this is me After living through my high school years and my very uneventful college years Tell people what you feel. It is a very simple thing. may not always go the way you want, but it at least leads to a conclusion rather than you being a little slug of a person who's pining after somebody. you know, like at least you have something else. I think there's a lot going on here E even if on the surface, it seems thinly sketched. Well, I think like My big issue with the movie and again, like I don't expect many people will agree with this. is Indian Everet's character, again One of the best performances I've seen in the last year or several years, just like a wonderful performance that I think everyone should enjoy I wit like to me I feel like What would have made this movie more impactful is if The behaviors that she she started exhibiting after This whole wish thing went down Uh were in some way tied to her character Right? We're in like I suppose just now she's just acting like an unhinged person, which is kind of what what the movie is. I think should get to spoilers, guys Yeah spoilers. The issue is I just don't really know the character enough to understand like what the behaviors are like arere these an extension of her character? Are they just But it's just acting on hinge that you know comes from the fact that this movie is told from Bears's perspective. Y. So we're supposed to not really know for a long stretch of the movie whether she's under the she's been captured by the w wish or she's just That's a dream girl. R I never fully know another person. likeike this it's all kind tied to this. There's stuff in spoilers, I'd say, directly. All right, let's get the spoilers. Spoilers for obsession starting right I've thought up an ending for my book. It makes no damn sense. me though I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. When I buy a new book, I always read the last page first. That way in case I die before I finish or know how it would end. You can't handle the truth I came here again. That was a great point, Jeff about how like, because the structure of the movie is supposed to give us this sense of like ambiguity about Yes, the character and you're supposed to be able to have this plausible deniability for some part of it for Bar. Right. But then then it goes away pretty it goes away. think. Yeah. And I agree with you fundamentally that like that that's a flaw of the movie. and I I I feel like I am in opposition to what DeVindra because I think the biggest flaw of this movie is that There doesn't have any choices The problem is that He makes a relatively innocent wish, a wish anybody could relate to. God, I wish this woman loved him. Yeah sure. right Yeah. I mean should he should have phrased it a little bit He's just this no' like. He's not here's a no' in a Twilight Zone episode. no weaponsually we Twilight zone episodes. Yeah That's would end up way better for them Right? That's right. It would make life much easier. Advice people always assume you're in a twilight zone. That's right. And then you'll be fine. you're fine. That would make a lot of sense given where we are right now. It doesnt I to make sense if you just assume that So, so he does something I think anybody would view as being innocent. It's like I just want this girl to like me. L I just want her to love me more than anybody else. Like that's we've all secretly thought that about somebody. Oh, I wish she loved me more than anything thenen it becomes clear that she is in a particular kind of hell All right He. calls the customer service And he is told you have One option Kill yourself That's the only option he has. Yeah. Yeah. I can totally understand somebody being like Well, that's not great. I don't want to do that He had choices before. him him But if the movie had presented a for Nikki that required Bear to give up something he wanted. If if if the if the circumstances had been such that You you can, you can end her torment But she will hate you forever. Right And he still says, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to see if I can make this work then now I actually feel like there's some moral stance that the movie we now we can understand that Bar is doing something that is that is selfish and reprehensible At no point does he like he legitimately is trying to get her out of this situation And is told the only way to do that is to kill yourself He'ly sucks. likeike I gott to kill this. So I can totally understand his position being Well, I'm going to try to make this work because to commit suicide. Well now I must Dndra, I'll let you go first if you have a response. but I also I have a couple response. Go aheadhead. It takes them a while call customer service There are many things that happen. and The they even have the whole like, you know, his friends, I forget if that happens before the customer service scinge or after, but the friends like basasically when they force themselves into the party. the friends are like, we think something weird is going on here and it kind of feels like you may be taking advantage of her in this precarious place. It is very clear to the audience She is not well And before he even takes that customer service call, he's taking advantage of that situation of her still not feeling well because it kind of works out in his situation. I see like it would be a different movie, Jeff, if your suggestion was there. It just kind of changes the dynamic of the movie a little bit. This is the bleakest of like dark horror comedies And the way people flippantly say, just kill yourself Like even the guy in the store kind of says at the end it' they kind of like lower the volume as as he starts say you could always just kill yourself. You could always just end all this right here. which she ends up doing Sure, sure, but I'm say that's what he does He's had choices, he's had choices before that call, even before he knew the full extent of the situation. That call, by the way to customer service. Be's awes that is that is the interiority we get for for Nikki's character, right? Is that It's she is screaming just screaming in hell And that is in That to me is just kind of wild. The idea the option to do something about that that didn't involve murdering himself And he still doesn't do it then now' such a more interesting place, I think, for the movie. I don't know if that's more it's a different movie. I don't know if that would be more interesting. I think it's interesting when it's just like, well You made this mess, you fuck And that is what the movie is. Yeah. Like he didn't. likeike he just did that innocently Like I just something has happen has happened to him He is not an agent of his own. He did respond to those choices in not great ways before the customer. That's what I'm saying. But the movie before a lot of effort put him in a place of Maybe she's just really super into me. He doesn't want to take advantage of her if she's on a drug. She tells him she was on a drug I think The movie does not Go where I think you think it goes. It doesn't put him in a place of audience judging him. I think it's like no, I'm put this again people Yeah. I'm going to put this out there, Jeff. Okaykay. I think you are leaving out a critical part of that call. So first of all H when he makes I agree with you that there is a period of time When Be's villainy is not one hundred percent clear to the audience Right because yeah, it's like, oh, maybe she is just really into. I mean, all the signs point to she's not into them, but maybe she was really into them and it just is magic. And why would this Willow thing make him make her infatuated. But then it becomes clear like actually something is really wrong. like She shouldn't be taping up the door to prevent me from going to work. She shouldn't be standing in place waiting for me and like shitting herself, like all these things. Um, clearly like there's something beyond notot only just like on a chemical level, but like literally perhaps something supernatural going on And then Jeff, he calls the customer service, which is very funny because the customer service sounds like it's just run by a guy Yeah, what' che in Yeah. Yeah customer service. Very funny. and But Jeff The partart you left out is, what is the question he asks first It's not Can I cancel the wish because she's going through mental torment probably It's, hey, u, you know, yeah, like the wish no, the wish is good, but like, can I like tweak it a little bit? You know, can we like right Tune it a little bit, right? He s does she really like me? So he is okay with her continued mental subjugation But just not at this level of intensity. R It wants it to be real That doesn't seem like evil. up until then, like he was totally fine with kind of removing her agency to a certain degree. like he knows that wants He wants it to be legitimate. He wants her to actually like him. Right.. And I find it hard to fault that from character's perspective. Totally true toottally true. He five seconds before he broke the twig He had that chance You know, like I don't think so. I think the we we think he has that chance She says, do you like me becausecause she's about to break his heart. We f that out retroactively later because she's fucking his best friend. J doesn't like him We were explicitly told she tells Sarah, the other friend that she put him in the friend zone. that he is completely not potential romantic partner. Yeah. Right. But we willon't find that out until the end of the movie Like that mean that makes it. That makes it more screwed up. Yes. That makes it more screwed up retroactively. but Bears's perspective This is I think I want the movie to be what you guys are seeing. and I feel like the movie gets right up to the edge and it just is not willing to do that. It's not willing to make its character wholly unlikable, its main character. And I think that's a fault of the movie. That's why I prefer something like barbarian or something like a companion because those movies take a stand and like actually actually put you inside of the woman's perspective and the horror she's experiencing. It's everything is external and obviously she's in hell. But but yeah I think the movie is very sympathetic to Bear and very sympathetic to his momoment to moment. decision making process and ultimately at the end does sacrifice himself so she can be free. It too it took a lot. Yeah a couple of additional thoughts, Jeff. Number one, there is that heartbreaking scene where You she'sep asleep in bed, but like her other self is asleep and then she's like talking to him while' sleeping F kill me. V what is this very sad? It's not u Hey, I have a lot of symp. I'm going to look into how to solve this. It's like it's like Homer Simpson vanishing into the bushes Secondly, he only takes his life at the end after things have like for sure he has notulated beyond his control Right? Yeah. Ls Now M. I agree with you to take your life earlier, Dave? I agree with you that I wish he had more choices, right? But like I wish he had been put in a position where he had to actually make a choice. He never is forced to The guy is like, if you want her to be okay again You have to die That's not a choice. That's one that's one aspect of the movie, but as I was saying, He made plenty of choices before that is the thing. Like here's the what it is is like this movie is an exploration of a guy who is never like really manned up to say what he really feels. And now he's in this very extreme situation where everything is fucked up And he still can't quite still can't like quite have the spine to commit and say, actually, no, I realize you are very messed up right now and we cannot like continue like what he's suppos? But what he can't do anything. Like that's exactly do point he can't do anything. Well, he can he cannot continue to have sex with her when she is like zoned out like that scene of her like really being into it. He has convinced himself that, you know, she is into him to this point There are definitely enough signs where he could have like try to slow things down or like even if he doesn't have a choice but to kill himself. likeike dude, he's making a lot of choices in this movie. I saw this movie in a crowded audience and he is doing things after the wishes gone off after she has like put his cat, his dead cat in the altar after she is like demonstrated that like she is not herself And he's still like continuing along with the relationship to a certain degree, even if it kind of feels like he's forced to, he's still He's still gaining some things from it. And to what you were saying earlier day. she is She will harm herself and him get her help That's what that's kind of what you do. That's kind of if you are in a situation where somebody is a danger to themselves or others, the best you could do is try to get her legitimate legitimate help and' say early d. I agree with you that it is dramatically less interest L first of all, just to be clear, Deindra, Jeff is talking not about decisions that he's making, but more like what is a moral decision he can make that will like change the outcome of this person's like changing the outcome of the story, which is like one thing. And the movie makes a hard hard bark in there You got to kill yourself Yeah. That' that. That's right. I mean like there are no choices you can make We know There's no psychotherapy she can achieve that will help her. It's impossible. But he doesn't try. He does not Well, he goes to the source of what he thinks the problem is, which is the goes to the source and like, Hey guys the magic that's taken away her agency, not quite working well. I still want her agency gone, but, you know, can we can we dial it back a little bit e saying the one that pointed that out that. so I agree with both of you because on the one hand, I think that Jeff is right that It does suck that he doesn't have many moral decisions that he can legitimately make in the course of this film. But I agree with DeVindra in the sense that I do think it is very easy to read him as the villain in this movie Like those are moral choice. even those are moral choices. The thing is even after he makes the wish. likeike yes, let's say the wish is an innocent mistake. He still behaves in ways that are Arguably villainous, arguably subopptimal, even after it's become like clear that like something is really wrong And I think there that there is a There is a moral message in that. The moral message I take away, by the way, is that like In some ways, infatuation is Hey form of selfishness or, you know, like obsession. ye. It's like a form of something some violence that's inflicted on a person if they're like led into it in a specific way And you know, that's that's that's like one, but I I would say that I don't the movie lands that very hard because of some of the storytelling issues that we've discussed. Let me put it a different way. I think what I prefer in a movie like this is when it puts me the viewer in a more uncomfortable position of asking myself, well, what would you do And this movie is no There is no option. There is no option other than murder yourself. Like there's no option to do the right thing. Like it's is do the right thing option but he chooses not to do it then there is of just no options at all That's my position. Sure. I mean No option for the ultimate culmination of the narrative. Yes. This character has had many options and many choices between that as I've kind of laid out. And what I think what it is, what is kind of so I guess jarring, like what is so frustrating about this character is like he's doing the same thing he was doing before he's just not manning up to make a choice and make a moral stand on his own unless he is being told to. He's just responding to the world around him rather than being like, o shit I got to I gotta at least try to get her some help. I probably shouldn't continue with this relationship in this form. Like all those are choices he could make that could reveal something about this character. And to what you were saying, Dave about like the sort of like mania that Nikki's character presents I it felt to me more like That is a completely different thing. It is a possession. It is not a relation to who she is actually. it is practically a demon possessing her body and trying to act like a real person. It's like the bugm for men in black to a certain degree. like it's her uncomfortable laughter and stuff like that. So that's kind of what I read into it. I would have loved to see more from Niki's perspective what the movie is it is is a damning framing of this guy, this nice guy mentality. And I think the focus on that is is sharp Like it is sharp, like this guy If he was stronger, if he could like stand up for himself and maybe take care of other people a little more, like He could have at least tried. Maybe his ultimate solution is like he had to kill himself or something There are certainly things he could have done before that too. I have another question for you guys And it regards the very, very very end of the movie Yeah. because I think I was about to get to that. Yeah. it's it landed oddly on me. maybe I missed something Um, you know, the shit has hit the fan. everyverybody is dead. She's screaming. She's he's he dies. so she's, you know, back to being herself. And then the camera pans to yet another one Wish Willow that has been snapped. Yeah And I was like, oh, we're going to get So Like even when it went to black, I'm like, oh we're going to hear her voice say, I wish none of this happened or something They already snapped it. Yeahes, she already snapped it. So the the end. does that wish has that wish beenished It occurred. It occur. It hasur. What happens at the end is He brings her the onene wish willillow because he's like, I want to convince you to like wish that none of this ever happened out of wishes. Yeah or yeah, because I'm out of wishes or that like you don't love me anymore or whatever. R. But then before he can do that goes the broom, swallows a bunch ofleeping pills And then while he's in the bathroom, hears the snap of the le. That's right, R. But what's that wish? And that wish is that that he would love her in the same way that she loves. That's the ending That's it. So that's why he exits the bathroom in a very serene state. and these loving and they start making out because she' she's the fucked up demon who only cares about him loving her. That's right. That's right. And sc of that whole situation. It' like, o, the love birds finally get together as we want in every romantic comedy. It's so fucked up It's one of the things I love about this movie. like I will say I really did like the like I think the ending is pretty great. You know, the part about the guy getting a million billion dollars falling out of nowhere in particular is very strange. I wanted that kill him I was like, o yeah, he's going be buried by the money and it's like another example of be careful what you wish for. But that didn't happen. It could have been that. No he gets shot The other thing. get shs. But I think what is clear from this movie early on is that Nikki is screwed Niickki is kind of screwed beyond belief, even if he saves her. Even if he did the noble thing earlier and killed himself so that she could be out of pain, she is in a deeply fucked up situation where people saw her do crazy things at parties, like depending on how far at what point she's going to be tried for multiple murders. Yeah. Now her life is ruined Her life is ruined. She's going to be mentally, you know, hurt or damaged forever. It is such a fucked up ending, but you could kind of see the movie getting us there. Even if she survives, there is really no real escape for her. And it's just heartbreaking Yeah, I really like the ending of U yeah, she like, even when the wish has been undone, it's not like everything is hunky dory after that. And the movie, I think fully acknowledges this you know, in how she behaves after she is released from her trance So pretty c talk about just like great scenes, great scenes from this movie. The the conversation with Sarah in the car What a great what a great flipping of tones of like, o, this is a great romcom type of scene or like a teen drama where it's like, these characters are really relating and they care for each other. and she's going to support him and he's going to support her and their emotional connection gets closer Wh Out comes the window. face to brick on the steering wheel repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. And then the movie is like, Oh, we think we're done. She's dead. She's dead. Leave her alone Close up Close up on this Yeah. That was nice. I will say I'm a little jaded, I think because Literally, as that scene is unfolding. I you literally from that camera angle. th the camera angle. Everybody' thinking that. but that's every make fun of it is we know that she's coming. Yeah. I just don't know she's gonna to do that. fairough. And then like it doesn't just topop it there. byy the time they get to the final scene that corpsse is there nude in his bedroom. justust like the icing on the cake, like good God Good God so fucked up. I love the sort of like him running into the magic store or the collectible store right after that, by the way. I guess are're open early because they were talking at like three AM, right? So it's just open super early. Yeah. The seven AM seven A open for that. I love how thee like the dude there knows exactly what he's talking. knows what's going on What was his wish? wasas his wish? I guess I want to run a vaguely successful collectible store for the rest of my life and not worry about profit. That's my wish But the twist is you have to sell these things that will ruin people's lives, I guess. If anybody has played Dungeons and Dragons, there's a very high level spell in Dungeons and Dragons called Wish And the the implicit Uh use of that is The Dungeon Master is supposed to make it not what you think. So there's always so I love that this movie is basically that game of However you phrase it, I'm gonna try to find the loopiest of loopholes to fuck you And I wish it had leaned into that a little bit more and we' had known about other people's wishes and's how it had been. Like I said it this way. You know, I said I wanted to have a successful business and now he like can't leave the businessorever or whatever it is, you know I wish it had been more of that because that's fun. Like the billion dollars. I want a billion dollars. Okay, well, you're going to be buried by it That's That's the fun, I think of the be careful what you wish for, kind of I do want to give a shout out to one of my favorite creators on YouTube called Chris and Jack