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Direct deposit one thousand dollars a month and fund an investing account for zero point two five percent increase Cash account offered by Wealthfront brokerage LLC member FinrA SIPC, not a bank. fees and eligibility requirements may apply to certain checking features of the cash account He everyone and welcome to the film cast Podcast about movies I'm David Chen, and just like Toy Story five, this episode of the podcast is going to give me a dose of what it's like to be replaced by a newer better model Joining me today is Daviner Hardwire Cter Met team, Leave Bonnie alone. Stop torturing her. God And joining us today for our episode covering Toy Story five is senior reporter from Ionine and Gizmodo, frequent contributor to our summer movie wager, Jermain Lucier. Five'es Toy stories in this economy Welcome to the podcast everyone. So today's episode is going to be just a little bit strange because First of all, I have not seen Toy Story five And also you may have noticed Jeff isn't here He will be here For a Toy Story fivei review D to sch and reasons couldn't be here for our opening segment. So D to issues around kids very thematically appropriate. Absolutely correct. Nothing Nhing serious or anything but just like the toys went crazy. He just gotta like figure it out So it's going be a little bit of a shorter episode today. That said, what we are going to do is start with a film court segment and then move straight into our review of Toy Story five So let's do it folks. Let's start with another rendition of that segment where we adjudicate your film related dilemmas The slash f cord gone. Slash Film court the segment where adudate movie related dilemmas. You can always email us at slashfilmcast atgmail. com This week Zion emails into slashfilmcastage email. com Uh this is the subject line of the email. My friend thinks everything is a masterpiece Film cast crew, I need the sllash film courourt to adjudicate a matter of critical epistemology. My esteemed friend Casey is a cinematic and TV enthusiast who exhibits an almost indiscriminate appreciation for every show he encounters. He places Star Wars Andor in the same categorical framework as the Mandalorian, despite the former's demonstrably superior narrative architecture and thematic resonance He views Empire Strikes back in the book of Boba Fett with equivalent enthusiasm conflating competent but uneven execution with genuine artistic excellence Casey and I are both ardent science fiction devotees and we share that passion Yet he perceives shows like Severance and Pleurbus with the same undifferentiated enthusiasm he reserves for more pedestrian fare like Discovery and Lower Decks. These aren't terrible shows, mind you, but I would consider them subpar in a multitude of narrative and cinematic areas. I genuinely venerate Casey and his unbridled optimism is endearing However, his lack of critical discernment has rendered his recommendations fundamentally untrustworthy I need the court to rule How do I diplomatically convey to Casey without breaking his childlike wonder? that without substantive justification and specific reasoning I simply cannot invest my time in his copious sci fi recommendations I would like him to understand that enthusiasm alone is not a valid critical framework to justify further recommendations. Have any of you encountered this predicament Please help me navigate this with friendship, grace. sorry, please help me navigate this friendship with grace and acquuity. end quote That email comes in from Zion, writing it Scast at Gmail. comot Z. you't have to you' have to out me like that, Zion. I don't. I mean, a couple things that are important to point out. firstirst of all, I know a guy like this who does the same thing. His name is DeVindra Hardwart. No, I'm just joking. But also, unless it's things you like, ye And it's so shit. But also stepping in at the last minute to our film court segment right now Is Jeff Kana, Jeff. Welcome, welcome back to the podcast. You You're colliding mid segment with us, right? Hey, I just I heard there was podcasting and so I just I feltodcast over of my neck. Yeah. We desperately tried to exclude Jeff from the whole episode. And then he just showed up midway through the film court. So that was you cannot get rid of me that easy A. This is clearly what has happened. Anyway. Okaykay We're going to start with Jermain Jermaine, you're an honorary guest here on the film court U Zion wants to know his friend loves everything with the same amount of fervor And Zion asked the question, Hey, how would you go about telling Casey this information? I think there's another question to be asked before this point, which is Should you tell Casey this information should you shouldould you bring its You hundred percent have to talk to him about it. You have You have to talk to him about it. I find this. I definitely know people like this, maybe not to that extent Um and I run into this kind of personally I'm letter boxed, you know, like where I'm just like out of a moie I want to throw letter boxing. I'm like, I love that Do you five stars? It's like, but is that It's like, no but I gave like Raiders of the Lost Arc five stars or the Godfather five stars is this movie that I just saw that I loved no matter what are worth five stars I generally do give it the five stars. So let's just call that masterpiece, right just because like that's how I feel about it at the moment. But I think at the same time, you have to realize like, look, there are different levels of of excellence. There are different levels of excellence. just And I think the way that you kind of break that down is you have to explain. you have to be like, Do you see that Andor is a different level of of work and the Mandalorian, do you see that severance and pluribus are working on a different level than you know, then lower decks or discovery or something like And maybe we don't. That's the thing I run it a lot of people they're like, No, I don't or a lot of people don't like That a show challenges them. in a way like those versions do And I think it really comes down to maybe vocabulary. maybe like that's just the only word they have to describe something And also You gott to like and it's it's it is so like gatekeepy, but watch more movies, you know, like it really is you just need to like work that muscle. It's like, you know going to the gym, which I don't know much about Jeff maybe let us a little more, but like we got to watch movies your entire life to be like, okay, I can see that I Fickin loved I don't know, like I love Disclosure Day, right But I know very, very oddly that like it is not up to the top tier of Spielberg when he was the best, right? And so like Uh, so I so I can There's definitely a fine line where like enthusiasm is great like Zion said, But I do think you need to be like It's the also the boy who cried Wolf You know and it's always best. Why is it not Right. So what I'm hearing from you, Germaine, is ask some probing questions and then potentially encourage this friend to expand their horizons a little bit when it comes to the selection. Absolutely Daviner Hardware, any thoughts on this film court issue? It depends on a lot of things, but I say if this is somebody who does not engage in criticism regularly, if they're not writing or talking about movies and stuff, if they're just a normal person enjoying things I think it's totally fine. Yeah. Just like leave it them enjoy things. Let the child like wonder persist, but you can start asking questions because what you really want is for them to show their work. Right? If you think these things are equally good, okay, let's have that conversation. Why whyy is this thing you think as good as this thing? And it's also really hard to compare something like Lower Decks, which is a, you know, great cartoon comedy versus like plurivus, which is trying to be like a serious, you know drama with maybe some comedic elements. It's how you compare things is different too I think ultimately, you don't have to do much, but Um, Like Jermaine said, like it's by watching more things and specifically watching things that are not genuinely like great or not on like not on the positive end of the tomato meter. you know, like see bad things, genuinely bad things. haveave some things break you And then start to start to see how you come back to it from there like us bro you are broken down. Can you be built back be built back up? That's how it works Read criticism. likeike the way I have come into this is see growing up as a kid, seeing Sisko and Niebert fight on TV. almost come to blows because of their opinions about movies and because of how strongly they feel about certain things and how much they want to defend their arguments and stuff like that. So I've read I've watched a lot of movie criticism I've read a lot like growing up to was like the stuff, you know, not as great now, but the any cool new stuff and a lot of great people came out of that Chud. com, the place where I used to read old Paul and kill reviews. I loved reading New York Times reviews, things like that. Read criticism teach it that will teach you how to be more critical because it's a muscle you have to use. And if you have not flex that muscle If you have not gone to the criticism gym, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be hard to do that workout Yeah, and I think in this case maybe sharing Zion could share reviews. Hey, I really like this Walter Chaw review. Oh yeah that'll get you of Yeah, you know of this movie. Like what do you what you think of this, right Jeff Kanata, any thoughts on this question Boy, I was nodding my head so much while Jermaine was talking. I agree with so much of what he said I recently had an experience, not in the movie and TV realm, but in book realm And I will keep it vague, but I was talking to someone and found that they We're an avid reader. and I'm an avid reader. I do a book club very excited about books and novels and found out more to the point this person was into fantasy and sci fi novels and I was very excited about that. and I went What do you what's your what are you reading? What are you into? what book are you into And then they mentioned a couple of books rightight off the top of the dome. G to like this is the one I want to reference right now. And I went h Rut row U And you say that out loud? No, but that's what my inner voice was saying. I tried to keep my poker face. I immediately recognized Y, I have no common Oh my God. You just want to exit the conversation. You're looking for ways out at that point. What I do in that situation is I just nod and smile And I recognize, okay, well connection point that I thought we had we don't really have and I can still High five the shared love of the medium. recognize that our tastes are going to be wildly divergent. And then what I consider quality and what I consider like the minimum bar of quality is They they do not recognize they are not in touch with. Um, And so like we can't I feel like, well, I'm just not going to I'm not going to syisyphus this boulder up there. Right. You know what I mean We just we just We far apart and that's fine. That's okay to be far apart You know, I feel the same way Jeff. Sorry, Jmy War going to say? You know, I was just gonna to say, I have like seven hundred things to say, but you know, we have other things to talk about But in terms of that in terms of that last part, And then to go back to the for this Listener Zion, that doesn't mean you't be friends. You just got to to know, right? That's what it is. It's a noise. You literally cannot trust anything that that person says about movies kindind of kindind of That's okay. That I have I have friends like that, you know They hate everything that I like And they like everything that I hate and I know that about it, you know? Same, same. I record a podcast weekly Right, exactly, exactly. And the other other other you throwing Patrick Klepping on the. Geez. I mean, Joanna Robinson' pretty smart And the other point to the Vingers point, I think that was great about reading criticism and, you know, and watching bad movies movies that are tough, right? Just things that are different I do think and again, this is oldld manan Germain speaking, that the level of criticism these days is not up to what it was that you were discussing, obviously. So So you can go on YouTube and watch a bunch of guys like argue it and a lot of those guys are great, but a lot of them are not. and a lot of them are engaging on it and everything's a masterpiece or everything's a piece of crap just because they want They', you know, their their clicks. So it's really different in twenty twenty six than it was in ero six, even sixteen. So It's a tough one for this. It's not a problem ultimately though. It's like, you're off a good start because you are engaging in media. and it's really hard to get people to even do that Yeah evenven if it's purely positive. very true. And you know, there's something my wife says a lot, which is there's an ass for every seat. And so u meaning that You know, the stuff that I would find notot worth my time, It' somebody else's cat nip Right? is Somebody that was made for that person And G, you know, to me That is loaths of or United loaths of a strong, but you know what I mean? that I'm not going I'm not going to spend my time on that. But then, you know, Dave Chen's going to watch some documentary about how four hundred people were ruined by this, you know, boat incident. I don't know kid that murd was theuke family. It wasn't puid. I I think you're thinking of trarainwreck poop cruise is the exxactly exactly you're talking about. That's something I'd spend my time on, but I I kind of subscribe to DeVingra's initial sentiment here, which is Hey, the guy seems like he's having a lot of fun. Let him have fun. You don't need to like enforce your critical viewpoint on him, but I will say that as with what Jeff Duraine said you also don't need to take his recommendation seriously.s That's what I would do is just simply pay attention to this person anymore. Yeah just don't listen to your friend. You know, that's right. That's that's right. Just expect is the way to get. Yeah Be condescending toward your friends, the David Chen method. I get it. we made finger Dav Chen Yeah It's been twenty five years. I get I, but also like I say, This friend This is a wonderful little little sprout of somebody who wants to engage with cinema and TV in something If you ignore it, you kind of like don't allow it to grow if you if you think you have more critical aspects you can slowly start to like help them become more, you know better at that. Yeah you can nurture it. You can nurture it if you chse. If you choose Anyw so to be fair, really just to wrap it up, Epire Strank's back Book of Bobet Pretty similar. prettytty similar. So the same thing. the same thing All right, thank you so much for your emails to slashwomcastjima. com and send in future dilemmas to that email address You can hear you know, you've heard a variety of viewpoints on this case today. We hope it helps you out, Zion Let's take a break for a sponsor. We'll be back with our review of Toy Story five right after this This episode of the film cast is brought to you by square The system fixes one of the biggest headaches in running a business. You know, Starting a business can be fun, can be exciting And then you you got to run it You're juggling payments inventory staff scheduling Online orders, reports, Somehow you're still supposed to serve customers and have a good time and enjoy running your business Well that's where square comes in. 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But then you had to ruin it on it. You're not even listening to me. I'm always listening. seeee? Now, look here, me and the toys In Span What? Yeah, I got dips on behind the dresser Hello. Is it as bad out there for toys as they say it is? We're finding more abandoned toys each day. What hurt Tech's invaded our house too. I don't know, Jessse. toys are for play, but tech is is for everything. I'm losing Bonnie to this device. You got Welcome to the filmcast review of Toy Story five I'm going to read the plots from IMDB. Woody Buzz, Jesie and the rest of the gang's jobs are challenged When they're introduced to electronics a new threat to playtime Joining us today for our review of Toy Story five is senior reporter from IO nine and Gizmoto, Jermain Luci here. Just as a quick note, folks, I typically Have seen the film that we're viewing today? I have not, but I will be asking some questions and I'm very curious about the thoughts of our panel today. So let's start with you, Germaine What did you think of Toy Story five? Were you looking forward to this one? And if so, did it deliver Absolutely looking forward to it. Absolutely delivered. I am again old enough to have reviewed the first toy story U when I was in high school So I've been with this franchise since day one. Wow. And and I've grown up with it in a lot of ways I think the first three are kind of flawless. My favorite is two because of the toy collllector in me And I think four was was solid it was a very flattering depiction of toy collectors in You got a tooy collector and me. Exactly. Al Toy Barn forever But and I enjoyed four, but it never really stuck with me. I remember liking in the moment. This one is going to stay with me in a way that maybe not the first three will But in a different way. I thought The concentration on Jesse was really interesting. I thought where the story goes and we'll get into some spoiler stuff. It was incredibly rewarding There's a lot of thematic through lines that I found really interesting and and worthwhile I did think that it was a little overpacked at the beginning and it kind of struggles to find its way Um Everything in that was kind of enjoyable. so it wasn't bad, but I was like, why are we cutting to this when we still have this to happen? Yeah how do you get from here to where the two kids? Exactly, right? And so there was a couple bumps along the road, which I think the F three don't have almost at all. where but once this kind of like locks in and again, we'll get into specific soon I was just like enthralled, you know tryry my eyes out laughing hysterically and Yeah, like really excited to even see it again this one. Like I'll probably try to see it again theaters I like Wow All right, well, DVindra Hardware, you work in tech on a daily basis As a a writer at a gadget d. com So the presence of toys in sorry, the competition between toys and And tech is probably something that you're keenly aware of What did you think about how this movie handled that Clict, and what do you think of the film overall I Honestly, this film gave me a lot of ves. R remember back when you'd get like, Aladdin two, reteturn of Jafar or whatever. and it would go straight to video. You'd be like, oh, I know those characters and you're kind of just riffing on things you've already done before, but it's in a different format. except, hey, this is another big screen sequel. So it feels It does feel really redundant, but as app parent, of two kids, the idea of screen time, the idea of like How do you manage you know using tablets and electronics in the modern era That is the thing parents are talking about. and I think this movie ultimately ends up being a lot more thoughtful than I thought it would be. you know, you would think like, oh man, yeah Toys. versus connected gadgets. L obviously there's a big riff there and obviously connected gadgets are bad, tech is always bad. And the movie is a lot more thoughtful about that. And I think for parents of young children, it's also like a thoughtful critique of how you Think about screen time, but also think about like protoocial networks because that's part of what's going on here too. So it is a thoughtful movie But in the grandscape of Toy Story, it feels it feels weirdly essential is how I'm thinking of it. Like it is a It's a It's interesting that they're covering this territory. It's cool to see Jesse get like the basically the starring role. And Joan Kusak is incredible in this movie. But I also don't think like they I don't think they know what they're doing with Bonnie. Like that's the thing. like Toy Story one, two and three were the story of a single kid and him growing up with the toys and his life experience And I don't Like Toy Story four, the little I remember of it was poor Bonnie first day of kindergarten, completely alone. veryery sad, like not having any friends They have made no progression in this movie Bonnody in this movie Also still very alone. no friends trying to connect with other kids. like there is no growth for the character. Toy story is more about the toys now than what the toys kind of mean for the kids. And I think like they have maybe lost a little bit of what made that first trilogy so strong You know, otherwise like it's perfectly fine. Conan's in it. I think Conan is hilarious in this movie. So he has a really, really fun role. It's a good time. It's just not like something I'd run out to the theaters to see. It'll be a great movie to watch with your kids on Disney pllus. Jeff Kanada Your thoughts on Toy Story five Well, Dave I guess you could say my thoughts on Toy Story five are best summed up in the form of Limerick. Let's it tough Pixar, I'd say my advice is bring up the theme of devices, if only to say, make friends anyway and leave thinking that much suffices. Interesting. I think I'm probably the most negative on this of people that have spoken so far My kids, I took my kids to see this. They liked it. They had a great time So put that over here in a box because ultimately that's kind of all that matters, right But for me, as somebody who revevers this franchise and will defend Toy Story for to my last breath. I think Toy Story four gets maligned Unfairly, I think the movie's amazing. I agree with DaVinjra that this is not only just non essential, it feels pedestrian. compared to the rest of the Toy Story franchise, which is I think so elevated and really high art when it comes to storytelling that works for both adults and kids that transcends generations There are a few lovely moments in this movie but I think they're too few and far between. and then the movie feels So disjointed. Din I mean, dreaming kind of u reference this a bit There is like a clear A story and B story like you would see in a sitcom. And the B story does not need to be in this movie In fact Woody and Buzz do not need to be in this movie. This feels like a spin off film for Jesse, which is fine, but they should have just embraced that And I think that's what gives the vibes that DavVinja was talking about of it feeling like a return of Jafar kind of straight to video nineties like situation becausecause it feels like this spinoff story and Buzz and what he have to do in this movie is I mean, it That's fine to make the franchise not about those two characters anymore. That's fine with me. But I don't know why they get shoe horned into this They don't feel like they belong in the story at all and especially the buzz stuff. I was like What are we even doing? It comes out of nowhere, It feels The movie starts with this Weird kind of creepy buuzz thing and then you would not believe where this movie begins today. might Trazy. Yeah. I thought we were in it's in the trailers. It's in the trailers Wow, I wouldn't have known that. but You know how the Pixar movies used to start with a short? Yes. I thought that's what was happening. Yeah but had nothing to do with this movie Um, that is a bad I would say that's a bad side probably. Yeah and and on and the payoff for this long walk. Oh my Godd, we get such an extended L walk for that B story payoff, I do not think is worth it. It feels very contrived. It feels very shoehorn. It feels like they had this lovely idea for Jesse. And they went, Well, we gott to get some buzzing woody in here. Let's figure it out Let's figure it out And it felt very forced to me The other thing and this kind of what I referenced in the um in the limerick is I disagree with Dina for my money Uh I don't think the device stuff is handled with any kind of Um It is this is a topic that is raised And there is no I don't expect a solution But I expect some position to be taken on it. and it is literally I walked out of this movie going, I've made a terrible mistake, putting this as number one in the summer movie because it's a bummer of a movie As a parent. Yeah It makes me feel bad about myself U and and I walked out of it going, oh Godd, I'm a terrible parent. Oh my God. And the crazy thing is like You know what's on a lot of those devices we hand to our kids Toy story movies and Pixar movies in general So it's like, What are we exactly saying here. like I think Well, you know, J it was real I uh A topic of conversation that we've returned to again and again on this podcast is The stuff that our parents thought were damaging as kids as when we were kids, we would just love That's right. kids today did those things. So greatest dream. Yeah. So just watch a narrative show. Right. Watch a narrative show. Play with toys Right Right. That would be better. playing with toys would be better than playing with temples Right? That. I think studies have shown U And so the movement raises all of these issues. Yeah. and really makes you feel how I mean, there are shots at in the beginning of this movie like panning across the neighborhood and there's like lights in windows and it's just zombie kids staring at screens and you go, o my God. This is horrible. This is where we are right now as a society and I feel terrible about it. And then the movie's like, yeah, but friends. am I right? And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You raised Terrible Cx that you've given me a complex about this thing that I already have a complex about And then you're just, you just s of give this pat You know, resolution to it that I'll talk about spil I think it's a pat resolution. continue, I'm sorry, go to Vinve. Well Yeah,ah we should probably get the spoilers forh spoilers. But anyway,' I'll say before Oy is fine I think the movie is fine I think it's if it if I wasn't comparing it to previous excuse me four previous Toy story movies that I think are all Far better than fine I would I probably have a higher opinion of it. Like compared to just an average three D animated movie that I'm going to show to my kids I think it's Perfectly good It's perfectly watchable and I have no problem. My kids had a great time. they came out of it. But you know, my daughter does this thing anytime we see a movie, we walk out of it and She goes, Daddy, what was your favorite part? And I go this this time I went M and I Mh. Sip songs still playing in the credits. So we're out of here. Nothing came to mind. L nothing there were no like but but you usually you usually have it. I usually like bringing up some funny thing that happened that I really stuck with me. and this time It just I was scrambling to come up with something and I just think the movie is not up to the standard that the franchise is set. was that again, with thats to I think what's interesting here, right is Obviously we have a kind of three different levels here it kind of seems like I wonder if the fact that I'm not a parent and you guys are has to play into this Be I saw things in this movie that maybe you guys didn't see because you were looking at other things, which is great, I think about it, which is I think Yeah there is a lot going on maybe too much going on thematically. likeike I really latched on to what Jessse is trying to do for Bonnie and what she ends up learning about herself Um, and I really like so that like really moved me and I think the kind of payoff for that. How you don't think that is the moment Jeff is crazy, But then Mm And then also the Lily pad stuffflake, I thought that's the tech the iPad in it And I thought it was a really interesting arc. I thought it was really cool. and I really think that like that character also learns things that Bonnie can learn, that Jesse can learn, everybody can learn that made it more fulfilling and like a more like cohesive thing about, you know, about friendship about being more well rounded And so I thought that was a really interesting way to kind of to wrap up that storyline. But again, think I think I think and maybe it is me projecting that we're coming at this in different ways, even though we're obviously fans of the franchise. We're definitely coming at sure. Before we continue, let's take a quick break for a sponsor and we'll be back with more conversation about Toy Story five right after this This episode of the film cast is brought to you by S. 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SVS Davindra, you had some thoughts you wanted to say before we get to sppoilers Be spoilers, we'll talk more about this in spoilers, but I do think the movie does actually come around to digital toys and connected toys in a really interesting way in ways that parents are thinking about right now in terms of how you manage screen time, how you limit access to it It is weird The idea of play in this series, I think is Akay it. I think maybe that's part of the thing too because it's Yes, kids do sit down and play with toys and imagine things now, but it's a little different. And also this does a thing like Toy Story is started in the nineties. Back then, the idea of parents playing with kids in a thing That's something you see too often in media, but now stuff like Blueies, stuff like modern TV shows and stuff like parents living. We're playing with the kids. We're interacting with we're we don't just like put them in front of toys and like walk away and Toy Story doesn't really have anything to say about that. It is still thinking of the idea of play as it used to be. And I think it's wrestling with new things and play together with cononnected toys is a new concept that could be interesting, but it is fascinating to compare this to something like Bluey, which is, I think doing better work talking about how kids play, how kids actually exist with old school toys, new toys, and how their parents are part of the ecosystem now because parents were not much of a part of Andy's story, you know, like it was a very distinctive thing. So Part of that was because the animation technology did not yet exist for adult characters And part of it characters human characters Yeah human characters. Sid still hus my nightmares. Yes, totallyally. arrguably more scary than the toys that he mutilated. But anyway, U It sounds like Jermaine Lucier, huge fan. Davindra pretty good somewhat of a fan and Jeff Konata thought it was just okay is kind of what I'm hearing from this review. More to discuss, let's get to spoilers for Toy Story five starting right now Ive thought I' amending for my book. It makes no damn sense. me though I didn't here to tell you how this is going to end. When I buy a new book, I always read the last page first. That way in case I dieied before I finish, I know how it end. You can't handle the truth. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin One question I had for you guys, right? The movie Toy Story four introduces this concept of lost toys, right? The ide is that Woody and these they no longer belong to a person. They're off galivanting on their own out in the world at this point. Uh and As with Toy Story three, it did feel like, oh wow, Very likely, this is the end of the franchise, right? Like that is a logical end pointint for the franchise How do you feel about the way that this movie, Toy Story five handled the concept of lost toys. you feel it like Did anything interesting with it? Did it pay off in any way? Do youermainely seear any thoughts? I mean, it doesn't really pay it off. It just kind of lets it go. That's actually it speaks some more Jeff is saying that The movie is very much Jesse needs to figure out How to stop Bonnie from being tech driven And she calls in Woody for help And whatood he's been doing that offs screen And then what he's like deuces and he and then like he B literally doesn't even help Bo just leaves with Duke Kaboom and all those characters. It's weird just K Pe. they didn't want to p K and Pe. so we see those characters again. but they don't say a word. You Jordis. And so so yeah, I mean, that was one of those disjointed things where it's like Oh, I like those characters. I like to see them and it's cool that they're in there for a little bit. They had like one little action scene before U But yeah, no, it doesn't really deal with it at all. It is Woody comes in kind of help, but he doesn't really help And Buzz is trying to do his own thing which is get married which is endearing but weird. U And then yeah, and then the thing that Jeff is referring to is There are fifty buuzz lightightyears that crash on an island They're all like high tech buzz light years and then they have this mission to get to Sar command and it keeps evolving and changing until they interact with with Bonnie B other. Dave, the movie starts. He, tellell me on an island. where I guess there's been some sort of shipwreck and a And a box of many dead humans, You see them floating. No. There might be no There might be seriousash a car. It's a cargo box that crashed on the. Yeah. and what happened to the rest of the ship Yeah what happenens the ships didn't go Th those things fall off ships all the time. Yeah A box of upgraded buuzz lightyears who are sentient arrive on the island and don't know their purpose. They have landed on a desert island and they are All they know is theirre programming that they are supposed to you know report to Star commommand As the way, you know, in the very first toy story, Buzz Lightyear doesn't know he's a toy. right And so I guess all the Bzz lightightyears don't know their tot It's exactly the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. it lines up perfectly. So there's this army of like zombie buzz lightightyears Coming they got to figure out how to get to the mainland And we're spending time on this. We're spending some time on this. likeike seeing them get there, organize, figure stuff out. like they're There's people like searching for them ET style. It's weird. Um other people searching for them? No. I remember is there not a scene where they're like there's a scene where they're like walking through the forest and a kid finds an abandoned one and he finds his realization's like, oh I should be with a kid id you play with it. That is my purose. It's wonderful wonderful moment. It's like the thiraking of two thousand one basically with the story isco the mom. It is so awkwardly put in there, you know compared to the story of Jesse. Wh? D I was maybe I haven't watch the first three Toy stories in a while, but I really felt like especially in the first two Andy is an afterthought little bit And is definitely after. So in five, especially this is really the first time we've seen a toy be like I want to impact my kid. I need to change her personality, which I found endearing also a little creepy. What to me to me, that was the big thing that made this movie you guys will say it's kind throwway. That's where I think it was'. I think it's the first time that Jesse As like you said, you know, she's not human, but she has humanity to her is like, I see that Bonnie's on the wrong path I want to impact that path and I'm going to do everything in my power to do that And then, you know, as a result, we see the impact that she had on you know, Emily and and the stuff and and I so I found that really endearing and theatrical worthy When you said returned Jafar, I was like, oof, that's It's It's like we're not doing anything new here. The Jessie stuff is kind of cool in that she recalls the previous kids that she that owned her and they played her and we kind of see there is a moment where that kind of comes full circle and that made me tear up a bit. It's like, oh, actually I did serve a purpose and this kid did remember me And that's it, but it's a real existential crisis for the toys, which is what Toy Story is very good at. So it's an existential crisis for Jesse. But for Bonnie, I just feel like Her mission, Bonnie doesn't have friends. Bonnie doesn't know how to connect with people, but also didid that in Toy Story four. That's what I'm saying. And I'm like, give her one friend. She made one friend in kindergarten. Kids make friends every week in kindergarten. You're not you're not out there being a loner in kindergarten for They' the friend. is that Jessie's trying to solve that for her and ultimately No we did that again, I feel like we kind of did But Bonnie was having trouble connecting with kids in Toy Story for That's what I'm saying. Its You know how long it's been. She's still like the same age. Andy Yes we've made no progress. between Toy Story four it feels like. I think that's Three years after the events of Toy Story four is when this one feel like feels like three months, maybe. The toys have really become guardian angels in this movie Heo who are protecting the children and trying to, you know, mold them down the right path and U You know, I don't I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I think that it's kind of trying. I wouldn't willing to concede remain that There are some lovely moments with Jesse. like the scene where She finds the buried box. Yeah and she has the revelation that, you know, the kid was named after her. like all of that stuff is lovely. and You know, that's what I come to Toy Story for is that you know, sort of generational nostalgia for for a bygone era, that kind of wistful thinking of like, oh man, what to be a kid and you grow up and time passes all that stuff, like that's what the franchise is to me. And the movie does hit those beats. It's just, I think full of a lot of other stuff that feels really unky Fankly And I don't think the comedy is great. I really don't I think other movies have been funnier Yeah. I think I think others have been funnier. I laughed a lot here but probably not as much as the others. I did think like you were talking about the buzzes being kind of superfluous. and I thought that to an extent. But I think I think they maybe did work backwards if they were like What if we had this wonderful third act moment or third act moment, if you want to didn't live it where we meld tech and our toys in a way. And what if we had fifty drones that were able to fly around and give you this big action beat And I found that was really fun. I thought that was great. I don't care for it. Oh I thought I didn't think it worked Oh yeah. but I'm saying I think that's the point. Also another to your point of where the movies kind of sucks I don't think it sucks, but a bad decision is that the every other toy that isn't Buzz Woody and Jesie just literally gets shelved for Oh yeah. eighty five percent of the movie., see you later. and they put him on the shelf. And then they're just like, Oh what are we doing? They're new friends. they're new other toys and they're all And I love the new toys. The new toys fun. And I think I like that also that they bridge the gap between the kind of old school low tech versus the Lilyipad high tech and they're like This mid teech Um I don't quite understand how the Potty trading thing works, James trying to explain to me, but as a non parent, I don't know how that helps at all. Be glad you don't know. Right, I know. it would probably a shitty situation Do you want to explain what Jermy is talking about? now? I don't want to explain potty training on the bod yet. the D Dave wants to know, Jeff. Dave really needs to know. Yeah. We gott to explain little p. know Ban this thing It know Brian plays a toy that is supposed to help somebody potty trarain. It has a one and a two and you got to press it. and I guess it's like a reward system. Yeah to communicate or something, right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah. reward system for going peep into potty And Conan's great. Conan made me laugh. likeike his like that character, what he's doing, like its it's genuinely a lot of fun I want to follow up with what you were saying, Jeff about like the tablet stuff because I'm writing about this R Gada right now. And I think it is very easy to take The idea of tablets coming into this world. o man, the toys got to fight them. G to get get rid of screen time And the movie makes the smart realization. like that's not going to happen. We live in a world where devices are connected. kids will need to use this stuff And there is some good to it becausecause they set up poor Bonnie and made her friendless and unable to connect with other kids, the tablet ends up being the gateway for her to find another like minded kid And they kind of bond together over their, you know, over Jesie over like the new kid has Jesse for a little time. they get to be friends. And that's happened because of technology and things like that That is a thing. You know, with tech does connect people, maybe not at this age range. I think it's more of like slightly older kids where that sort of stuff happens. And there's some interesting like stuff here around like protocial networks. like if kids are looking bullying was was was tough. There was bullying in a comp it was interesting, but hard to in a good way. Yeah. G nowhere with it. They do nothing with it. There's no They just kind of raise the issue of cyber bullying and don't Well, it's a way for the parents It's way for them to reject that friend group that the Lily pad specifically did as opposed to one the Jesse kind of more cururated in Blaze and shout out to my favorite characters movie Jimmy De The fat pig Wh it doesn't become Jimmy Dean but it was adorable. That's a good joke. This iss calling him Jimm Dean. We gott to take one last break for our sponsor. 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Unrealistic? Tell us about why unrealistic Well, because I think the issue is more, I think the issue as even framed by this movie is more intense than that, more dire than that. I think that is a pretty Band pat. answer, which is just like Well make a friend in real life It's like, yeah, obviously, but But it's so hard for like j it's hard for her to finding to connect with Blaze is like That's the journey, right And I thought was interesting. I'm sorry to Jeff to cut you off here. No go ahead. But it was like to kind of make that point stick Lily Ped commits suicide basically, you know? whichich I thought was I thought was like really surprising, but ultimately kind of rewarding because she's like, no, I'm not good she has the real She's here thinking she has all the answers, everything. She's like a consultant coming into company be, I got all the answers. I don't care what you have to say. Do this, this and this. She's the Mcney She's the McKinney of this all. And she makes this group of friends. The friends suck. Yeah, right. And I think the movie makes a smart point of being the parents see what's happening to Bonnie and the parents step in and be like, we're not doing this anymore. And it does make the case for like it's not just kids and tech. it's kids in tech and parents. You know, the parents are these sort of like, thing all this revolves around they you have to pay attention to how your child is engaging with anything but especially connected toys. No, I didn't see much from the parents, frankly and they Well they sa they take her to ice cream and they kind of put the iPad away and say like, let's maybe dial this down. And then that's the point that the liily pad is like I'm I did not help this girl. I wanted to help this girl. And I I was wrong. I honestly thought I hadn't thought throughout the movie that like she had a genuine interest in Bonnie. She was kind of robotic, you know, literally and figuratively. So at that point when that character kind of developed, I was like, oh, I was really interested in that And then of course her killing herself by throwing herself into the on the truck becomes the big third act savior where the old school toys meet with the new school toys to save This one and then it's a happy of raap. I thought it was all really, really connected and well done, but you know, I'm disappointed you guys. I'm glad it works for you. I I'm glad I pick Spidererman, but I mean, but I did love this. I did people.'ms going to be a massive hit man. It's going be massive h. I mean, I'm I'm sure it will, but I also feel like it's not the kind of movie. that My feeling was as I walked out of it, this is not the kind of movie that people are going to want to go see over and over again. But I'm glad to hear you want to go see it over and over again. I am wrong. Why did you feel like it was such a bummer, Jeff? Like you felt you walked out feeling like a bad parent. Like why why did this movie provoke that in you because U I felt like the the prevailing sentiment at the end is like Hey, this kid got out That's That's kind of reductive, Jessff. like R of the world is still stuck in it.ome. I'm gonna say as somebody who has even seen the film, I would be shocked if that is like what the intended message of a film is. Oh, I don't think it's the intended mess at all. No, I'm not saying it's the intended message. I'm saying one child who still embraces old school tech and low tech has fused the two in a way that could inspire others, right? It was kind of my very end of the movie, the other kids were like, hey, what are you guys doing? You're playing with toys and they leave their iPads and they cross the street mayaybe we'll start to play together. That is the m. No the jerko kids that made fun of her across the street. They didn't have anything to do iPads. All kids are kids front yard. They all have the capacity to be better. that's it. All right, You know, hey, maybe I am the outlier here. I mean, clearly I am But I just didn't maybe. I don't think this movie was was rose to the moment. I don't think it What I was hoping for from a tooy story because I have, I think outsized expectations for this franchise because it is For my money, Bin homeome rununs every single ad bat. I really thought, hey, they're tackling a Thee here, a an issue that is really of the moment that is that really a franchise that is this big and this popular and this you know, essential to our culture tackling this topic, I really had high expectations of what they might bring to the table and I just felt like it did not meet that standard for me I completely understand that, Jeff. but it's something I struggle with a lot. This is almost it goes a little bit back to that argument earlier A lot of times like I have expectations for something and they don't meet it And that to me hurts and I'm like, dang it, why didn't they do that then it takes me some time and this is not me like telling you how to feel. I think I think you're is is incredibly valid me personally, if that happens, I'm like, and I struggle to be like, but what my expectation was is not the movie. So I need to look at the movie itself. And I think you are doing that. I'm saying personally though that's something that I run into And here my expectation was met But I completely understand that if your expectation is not met That is a B punch in the gut to try to get around So yeah, I mean, it's the context of the movie. The movie is saying The movie very, I think, strongly establishes the problem. that it wants to Right. I mean, it is it is it doesn't flinch in presenting the notion of the change in play styles for today's youth as being Sedentary Uh attached u singular, you know, like it is it is really creating this I think horrific depiction of the state of America's youth. I think it's really going there at the beginning of the movie And I just don't think it then reckons with the thing that it itself has established. I don't think it reckons with that to my satisfaction. It sounds work you're right does create it does pose a larger problem and solve it on a macro problem solve it on a micro level. Yeah I. So I agree with that. I think there could have yeah, I think there probably could have been at the end of this movie, I don't think Toy Story five is saying like The idea of like play with your toys and that'll be better is not a satisfying to that. But I think it's like what he said in the trailer that Dave played before this thing It's like tech is forever. And so I think This is like a way for because this they we're going to get Toy Story six. There's no way we're not, you know. T to integrate to just evolve the franchise, evolve the toys that are in the toys story. The tooy story has evolved And I think for it to have So I think I think maybe you could deal with those expectations or those ideas in a different way. But here I agree It does not deal with that maybe in a satisfying But I mean yeah, go ahead to bring her please. This is where I think the franchise's old school view of play kind of comes in. But it certainly hasn't evolved to the other good things that could happen from cononnected toys from electronics and My daughter does, you know sit and play with her tablet quite a bit, but she's building these intricate worlds in Minecraft. She's doing things that do engage her mind and her creativity in other ways. And this movie doesn't have any path to say anything about that. likeike the only way to play with connected toys is to play with them like old toys where you your imagining to do things. Sometimes the digital toys can be another you know, arm for your imagination, another way for you to express your imagination and Toy Story doesn't understand that style of play at this point. I think that's where it gets to Hopefully Yeah. So presumably might explore that in a future movie. Here's a bigger question though, guys is I heard a statement about Buzz trying to marry Jesse is it that a sub's just it's just the thing for him to do. really Yeah it it's just so tack on. Yeah is it is Buzz and Woody are very, very secondary characters here, if not tertiary compared to the new toys whichich I think is is also something an adjustment for people Jeff talked about his review Right. it's definitely an issue. and it's But I think that raises some pretty Interesting Bonnie Bonnie mares when Bonnie plays her toys, she marries toys like every time see it like twice in the film And so B but is his desire derived from Bonnie's desires, though? L you know what I'm saying?ike I think I think yeah, that's right ye Yeah. Yeahah, But I think you get the idea from that. H And then' the end credits of sex. do we talk about Oh no, I'm sorry, they're more hard It's very strange. It's hard You got stay to the end end of the credits, but there's like and all fifty buzzes are in on it. It's really messed up. Wow. All fifty buzzes are in on the end credits. It's a little lighter than that. The thing that I think is even weirder about this is that Jesie doesn't seem to be aware of any relationship with Buzz through most of the movie. Oh yeah, she's off on her own. like they show flashbacks to the scenes from other movies where there is a k Yeah, but there's at the end she like she kisses him and like makes it like, oh, I've liked you this whole time too. and it's like, We have no insight into that. H her journey is not There's no boy, I wish Buzz was here. He's been my computer.. There's nothing. there's no it is Buzz like weirdly stalking her and wanting to ask her to marry marry him like they haven't even He just like, I want to marry you I found it very odd. There was a note from the studi early on, Buzz needs a goal. Here's a goal. Let's not like write anything along the way to really, you know, I mean, I understand like mrter and Mrs. Potatohead because they were designed as a couple, right? So points that they would be married Yeah. But the idea like the idea is the idea that I guess like what do you b what do you b bow were a thing right? Like that was that thing that's what they're not, they're not of the same toy line as far as we can tell And so that that is a thing. But Ietian Bow like had a whole arc They had an art. Yeah they had a relationship. ar This an arc through like four movies where where Buzz and Buzz has been awkwardly crushing on Jesse. And now that Bonnie's opened this up, this thing of marriage, it is just his stupid way of being like, I want to be with you Yeah Yeah it's tacked off. Jesse's an that wom. She doesn't need to be tied down. sorry Din go ahead go first. I'ming Jessse's an independent woman. She doesn't need be tied down. So that's what she decides to be at the end. Right, right. And the's not the story iss' Buzz's story Her story is huge. Bonnie. Yeah. hge huge feminism in this movie, like But also like U you know, the idea that we're introduced to you about toys is that They' natural uh end state is to be play things for their humans, right? Like they're kind of like they're kind of like pets for humans where like they want they're attached to their person emotionally The idea that Buzz wants to get married implies They have anotherother Natural teleology, you know, like to their to their We've alreadyestablished like we've done. what doy Bow get it on Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. we've done this before. We've done this. That's right. That's right. That's right So it's like groundbreaking, but where do you think it ranks? on the sort of this like there desesire slash purpose likeike in their self act by way, if Dave had seen the movie, this would not be such a big point. But Dave is like fixated now. Well what happen on with the buzz I've seen the movie. I don't know how they that feels like a weird script thing. This feels like the movie that was peppered with a lot of notes. like buzz needs a purpose. Let's Oh, we can put in more buzzes. We can like wrap this all together or something. L it feels like a lot of notes. Let's not make the screen time. Yeah they never really get down to this this I mean, like I said, a complain about the toys being shelled for most of the movie, you know, the slinkies, potatoheads, Reckx But there is that realization that eventually that's going to happen to them, right? They're going to be thrown to the garbage. They're going to put in an attic And I think maybe like this this idea of marriage is is like they'll have somebody to be with in eternity nt that turn Yeah of. Yeah, yeah. like they need they need someone to be like because I remember Toy Story two introduced this really troubling notion of like, do you want to be rotting away in a landfill forever? And it's like Jesus, like that's kind of what happens what theyys natural sh shhout out. Al's Toy Barn. I said it right at the begin That's why the series should have ended in Toy Story three when they all held hands at the furnace and this is come to us sweet death. That is a true ending for these toys. It It was a true ending. They were waiting for that. Yeah. I have one other point to bring up to you guys, which is Disney is a company that obviously produces a lot of digital clent. They have there's freaking iPhone and iPad apps that they make. They're pipinging content all the time to those've got a lot of games mobile games too. They've had partnerships with compomanies that make companies like Apple and Google before to Jeff, I guess is mostly directed at Jeff. Is it too much to expect? a strong anti tech message from a company that is deeply entrenched with the biggest tech players in the world. Well even, even what is in the movie feels discordant to me on that point. As I mentioned that in my initial remarks is that You know, I couldn't I was sitting there going, what do people watch on their iPads. Right. Yeah, yeah,ar movies, dude. like that's what they watch. And it's like you're kind of u you know, the call is coming from inside the house, Pixar. that's it really felt discordant even on that level to me. Yeah because there's no because u You know, Lily Pad in the movie. is only about sort of like social networking and and like tap games, like incessant tap games. There is no mention at all of like consuming media that you would watch is that whichich would be probably the primary use of that device. Yeah probably. Certainly one of them. Yeah Yeah, it's its own social network, I think as a it's like a it's tryed like a Kitty Fortnite kitty Minecraft as opposed to like, I don't think she can access TikTk on it but maybe, you know Yeah there's no mention of like content Right And there's no missions like, we don't need to worry about It's just these specific uses of we're trying to figure out who did this, okay? Like who' trying to figure out who did these toys. Okay did this. It's not people watching movies on iPads. Okay. It's not them watching little webisodes of tooy story on iPads.. Anyway.. Any other thoughts That's exactly it. Yeah. Any other thoughts on Toy Story five guys. This is the last I'll think about this movie. That's what I That's the sad part is that it feels. I don't know. I don I don't want to poop on remains brave. I think you're completely wrong. so I have no problem with it. No I love that you love it. I wish I loved. I was very excited about this movie. R R I just I uh, you know My kids had a great time. so I have to acknowledge that. They came out of it You know, they were they were perfectly happy. I would say and they came out of was thinking, I guess iPads aren't that bad, which is maybe what they want you to know. My last statement just to kind of go deep into spoilers is that like watching the movie Like it starts after the buuzz thing. It starts with the Toy Story two Jessse song kind of throwback. And I was like Oh my God, are we going actually meet Emily It's like an old woman who sees her toys and I was kind of emotionally preparing for that And I think what we get that Emily named her child after her favorite toy. was so much more emotionally impactful and like killed me in a great way And that was when I was like Toy Stories back, baby. And I think although I think I think I feel like you guys felt a little bit of that, but you maybe hadn't been on the ride as much as I had for it to land like that and but it landed for me. and I really the best mvie. Yeah yeah. And so I'm very curious to see how it does. Also like how would you guys feel if you find out you were named after your parents' favorite toy with that