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On this episode, we discuss Wuthering Heights Wrong, Dan, you forgot the quotation marks. Do it again Hey everyone and welcome to the Fluffop House. I'm Dan McCoy I'm Stuart Wellington. O't I'm Elliot Cayin. Well there's something a little different about Elliot today I can't put my finger on it. Mbe if I talk slightly more, you understand what's different about me. It's because Elliott is drawing attention to the fact that when this episode releases, Stuart is going to be floating down the Danube River, which crosses Germany That I actually didn't know that. I'm just trying to acclimate Stuart to what he's going to hear when he's in Europe. Yeah. because they all talk a little like this It's very coy. Oh, I have a little your surprise. Well, it's good to know And I'd hate to look like an idiot over there. know U and of course, what's more What's more Wuthering heights than German. No, in a slightly sinister German accent. be more Um hey, hey everyone, who's listening? This is this is the Fop house. It's a podcast where we watch U We used to say a bad movie, a movie that u critics or audiences reject it. This is an interesting case because this was a huge financialorm a bit for especially for a movie like this nowadays. This was a huge hit. Yeah It was and polarizing critically. Let's say that. I would say the pre releaseed press was very positive A lot of which turned out to be paid advertisements. Oh, really Yeah I would say I would say though that the success of this movie would point you would point me towards an appetite for this kind of movie that is so not being met by Hollywood that whenever a movie comes out like this, I think it will do well for a while until people get tired of them. But Be I don't think because I know a lot of people who went to see this movie opening weekend. and then when I talked to them right afterwards We're satisfied with it We're not really happy with it. Yeah. There are a lot of appetites not being met by Hollywood right now. It seem that appetites for Most kinds of films are not being maged It's unusual. But especially industry dedicated to not making stuff. I mean, it was a bad thing when the Hollywood stududios realized they could probably make more money if they made fewer movies as opposed to more for less movies. Yeah, exactly. But is but especially because and we'll get into it, like this is the kind of movie that Hollywood used to excel at. Nobody could make this kind of movie as well as the Hollywood Dream factactory, Big budget, costume drama, big stars, big passions B Screen a big guy, Jacob Alerti is tall. He's a very tall. big. I started calling I was watching with my wife and we started calling him Timothy Toomeay, because he looks like if Timothy Chalomeay was kind of stretched out on a r. Yeah you took a mouse and put him on a stretcher. Exactly. Yeah Don't do that, please. Don't do that y. Not even for science. What would you be learning? Oh please don't don't survive. Yeah, we can figure that out Yeah, it's a stretch ability of mice. Have you guys I've studing the elastibility of mice. This is what you're studying. Oh yeah,'s what my PhD is on. varying levels of elasticity in mice. What have you found? There is none. But I got I mean messing just in case lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, you know? They're actually pretty good at squeezing into gaps that are much smaller than you would expect. That's very true. Well that's. kind of gross stories I can tell you I'll tell you about off. I don't know if I want to know about what gaps you didn't think a mouse would squeeze into. You suddenly found a mouse in So Elliot, let me I just sent you an email. Don't open it in front of your children. Okay, you got it. Before we start, I want to st that I five minutes in. Well, before we start actually talking about heights about those heights that weather, yeah U I recently read the novel for the first time in part because The novel isation by Allan Dean Foster. No, no, the Bronte novel of this Bronte Sorus Yep. Um in part because I knew that we were thinking about doing this and I'm like Stewart can't be the one who does homework for this, you know, He watched all those silent Hills. I'm gonna read. Thank you, Yeah. I'm gonna read Wuthering Heights. You gonna do similar levels of commit. literary equivalent of the Silent Hill movies, Whering Heights by Emily Bronte. Yeah. I and this is important because this is a gap in my my knowledge. I have not read Wering Heights. I'm more of a Jane Ay guy, but that's a different Bronte. That's a Bronte of a different source. It a different Bon. I had read Jane Ayre Rontosaurus. That's the that's by that's that's by Charlotte Apatosaurus Yeah Elliot.ave you read Wuthering Heightes? No I have not read Rutherheights. My wife has read it more than once. And so I was watching this fl and she was pointing out to me all the stuff that was different Leonard Diaprio me. So I felt like she was my Sherpa through this It is wildly different. It is as Stewart pointed out in a part of the intro that may or may not have made it in. there are quotation marks or oh, you did you said it. That was the whole intro. Yeah, like the quotation marks are are huge in this. It is quote, Wuthering Heights. It is Wing version Is. shouldould have been called Wuthering Heights Ish. That would have been a great name for it to be honest. because there's a I think this movie we'll get to it in our final judgement some we more time about like this movie is looking to explode and kind of like extremeify Wehering heights in that Eerald finel style, and I find that it consistently does not achieve that in a way that made an impact on me, to be honest.. But at the same time, It got ad it looks great. it's not I don't as a movie. it would be a great magazine spread Those outfits. Yes that There' a reason why this trailer was a huge success. And also why the movie I would say in large part why the movie was a huge success was that you have likeike maximalist imagery, you have two big stars and you have a soundtrack dominated by one of the premier pop stars of the age who's also a huge cineophile. Yeah, yeah, exactly. yeah. So I can see why the trailer like is super successful. and the trailer is great. like it got me excited for it. But then as you see that the content from that trailer like drawn out into a larger film, I not to spoil things. I don't think it totally works Now I do like to Yeah go on. sorry I didn't mean to I was just going to say before I go into the summary, I do have to point out that I am in the I'm starting the recovery stage of a case of strep throat So you may find my voice a little bit sexy. And if you find people that are very sick sexy, maybe this movie's for you. So if if you're listening to this in a public place and you feel the urge to masturbate to Stuart's voice, please find get off the bus or subway you're on. Find a private. do it. Better weathering and you just find a private place What are those heights? just happen go Find just a littleast stumble across you. a blastind a heath. Find yourself a blasted heath and blast on it Is that a blasted heath? It is now. Y. lease Yeah, the Hound of the Blasterville. Oh man, there's gotta be a futuristic Sherlock Holmes in space called the Hound of the Blastervilless, right? There is somebody make that right now? Somebody's fuc Bacelock Holmes in the Hound of the Bl the Blasterville. Dane Stop the podcast, Dan. you go do it there it actually airlock Homes right nowas what Airlock Hom Should we airlock Homes in the Hound of the Blastervillees, Dan. This this is what you need to be working on next. yeah. Okay. And Watson is a robot yeah, it' It's an different.' Yeah, whats it' like new period It's like wireless Android serving blah blah, blah blah, I can't done that this yeah. Yeah, you don't have to do everything. Dan can fall you're ready to stand, you do the work. Okay, come on. I'm gonna do the work for you. you know. Okay So the movie a movie about romance and passion, of course opens with the hanging of a criminal. Yep. This is when the movie the movie is making a real strong case that this is not your daddy's or your granddaddy's Wuthering Heights. And this is a call I would say this scene is a statement of purpose, and once you've seen it, I feel like you maybe don't need to see the rest of the movie Like this scene is basically doing the rest of movie wants to. because what's going on when they're hanging the criminal Stewart? Well the we have a blank screen and we are hearing the sounds of like taut fabric and grunts and like Rustling and it was nearly thirty old I a grunt. That I And you're like, what are you gonna do with all that that grunt? What's that not most of that grunt is gonna to sit around in your garage for years. Yeah. Well, so it very much you the movie begins and you're like, arere there people fucking or is somebody dying? And of course' a person being hung. But the look on the faces of the crowd It could be either. They're really into it. Yeahularone who appears to be in ecstasy. Yeah. ye And then the people in the crowd just start having sex right in the town square, you know? didn' rough You try to flip the channels And this is where we start meeting our characters. So I'm gonna kind of jump ahead here to the idea that we are going to meet the people who populate Whering Heights. Withhering Heights is the name of a dilapidated manor house And one of the people that is currently watching this hanging is Kathy, a young girl who is very into watching a guy die Her father is mister Earnshaw, who is a drunk and a gambler and kind of a lout who is driven by very he has some impulse control issues. played by Doc Martin himself You and Mitchell orry Martinl sho. Doc Martin himself, Martin Clonus,r. I was like, I suddenly glanced the wrong name in the l. Do you guys know the show, Doc Martin, where he's like he's like a grumpy doctor. My parents love it. yeah, it's a thing that my parents have watched. My mom love it loves it. It's pretty good. It's a pretty fun show. And it was it was very fun. And in that show, he is the guy who's like Oh, he's like kind of a grump and he's like, doesn't like all these other characters. So it was very funny to see him as the the the guy sliding into decadence and just and just being a disgusting gremlin of a man you know, in this. I liked his performance a lot. It's very like it's very Klauskinsky We also have we also have Nelly who is kind of the like a lady's maid who has like a who has been taken in by the family to look after Kathy. Yeah. well in this so in this version she's a companion to Kathy. Y. She was more she's more a straight up housekeeper in The book, she's not the like bastard child of anyone here. She's supposed to be like actually like u daughter of someone important who has been like kind of disowned or what like that doesn't really figure into anything. There's also like this weird implication that maybe she's in love with Kathy That doesn't really get explored. There's a little bit of that. Yeah in the movie, there's a little bit of that and there's also a little bit of an idea that she kind of is struggling struggling for to maintain her station or better to survive outside to like her namesake, be like a bird. She wants to fly away. her namesake, of course toly for Todd. Yes course to be That the character was named after, yeah To be clear, I'm saying that the film appears to add a tiny bit of lesbian subtext. There's none of that in. I did not pick up on that, but I did pick up on the idea that Nelly kind of like feels a sense of possessiveness over Kathy. Maybe if only because if Kathy, without Kathy, she has, she will slip out of this station and just be on her own poor and you know, out and about And as we know from every other thing set in nineteenth century England, had if you did not have money, you were essentially living in slime like a serpent, you know, and your teeth fell out and you just were the best job you could get would be taking orphaned babies and slamming their heads against roalls. Like that was what it was like in England at the time if you didn't have money One person we will not be meeting is Kathy's brother who has died in this version She he is a big character in the book, mostly because the book Like there's a whole second half of the book that's about the children of various characters and how they're caught up in like Katherine Heathcliff's doomed love after Catherine has died, like Mitt like she dies. like a little bit more than earlier than midway through the book, but most of the adaptations just like focus on the first half because I guess they're just like This is what people are here for. this love storyer And also and also the story gets complicated and the story gets weirder after that point from what from what I know of it. And that's the, you know, this is a book that I always hear about it and if I want to hear about it as like a progenitor or a part of gothic literature. And like I think the gothic aspect of that is usually removed from the stories like the stuff about, I mean, eventually in the book, Heathcliff is digging up Kathy's body at night to spend time with it. And like he talks about how he's done that a couple of times and they I don't know that how many adaptations include that stuff in it. They don't want to see the dissolute kind of weird Heathcliff. They want to see the young hot Heathcliff, you know. So maybe that was implied in ways I didn't catch. I didn't know that he would like go like like lie by her grave Paathcliff he is No good. glarizes the neighborhood. Yeahu. But we and it's important you bring up Heathcliff because he is the last major character that is that lives in Wuthering Heights. Heathcliff is a waf who was, I guess assisting his father as like a great like a corpse picker or something. I don't know what it was.icker But he's he's the only person at the hanging who does not have does not have a smile plasterered on his face. And then later that evening Kathy's father finds him being kicked by his father and adopts him and brings him to Withtering Heights to be part of the family. So he is kind of Kathy's adoptive brother. Now this character from my understanding in the book is described as not a handsome white guy, right? He's described as being like unclear exactly what his ethnicity is, but he is is he is described as being darker, like he be Ramani. it's it's not clear. but there was a whitewashing controversy over Jacob B Ly being Ke Cliff the the I mean it's it was not as bad as him playing in Frankenstein a person of color, that color being blue you know, but I mean he's's a man of many col. That' a jo. the I think they do one of the things they do in this one is that my understanding of the Wthern Hy Story is that Heathcliff really has to feel like an outcast, right? Like there has to be something like so passionately charismatic about him, but you know that, but Kathleen knows if she's in a relationship with him, it is unacceptable It will it will drag her down. And I feel like this movie there are times where I'm like, I don't know Wh why doesn't Cathy just marry Heathcliff. They live by themselves in this weird old house. They' interact with anybody else who gives his shit? Like, just marry him. I don't know He just seems like a dude. I don't know. justust do it. Who cares? And he also seems much nicer in this. he is a real fucking asshole in the book in a way that I found very good terrorizes the neighborhood Yeah. I found very entertaining, but I'm like, this is the romantic hero that all the ladies are swcoooning for. Okay. He's a bad boy. just want to reform him, you know, tame him. Yeah. Th this one, he's not that bad a bad boy. Kathy is like a kind of like Hmm, like a real pouty kind of like you know, like just is a classic brat. Yeah, she's a brat. exxactly. And Heathcliff seems to be the one who often is like, Kathy, don't do that. But also this is and I think this is something that we should just get out of the way Margot Robbie, I think's a great actress. I think she's really wonderful. I can see why they cast her in this. She is not right for this part. She's like, you don't believe that she is an impressionable young woman. I don't believe that either of these characters, Margt Keith Cliff or Kathy, have not had sex before Like and it's and that's like you need to buy from these characters is that they are young and exxcited by passions they don't understand, you know, and I just didn't I could't believe that from them. Yeah, I mean, Margaret Robbie is like this is a crazy thing to say, but I think for this specific role, she is too old. It's crazy because she's not she's not an old she's not too old for most roles, but when you're if she's playing character who' supposed to be in her late teens, basically, like she just carries herself like a woman because and why wouldn't she She is incredibly successful. She knows what she's doing. She produced the biggest movie of and starred in the biggest movie of what last year the year before whenever Barbie came out. like the shes kind great in most things. It's great in most things she kind of has too much one of the few things in Babylon that I think works is her performance, you know, That was just a slight dig at Dan's love of know. I'll just take I feel so you know abused about it at this point that anything positive you say about Babylon is just I've you so those few moments where I give you a little bit of sugar on it. It's going to be wild when I watch Babylon them'm like Elliot, Dan was right. But I think it would be wilder if you're just like, o, whatever. I you know,' have a feeling about it either. L turn your brain off, you know, popcorn movie, forget about it. I think But I think both of that I think both of the leads in this movie are just not cast and it really hurts the movie in a big way, you know, and they're trying their best. I think they're This was another one of those movies where part of the promotional tour was, how can we make it seem like Jacob Bordi and Margot Robbie were fucking w making this movie evenven though they are both in relations or like she was married with a kid. Which which also like implies, I'm just going say it here. we'll talk about more lerally Hotter movie than this movie. Yeah. ye But any we can get into this. It's so yeah So they the Ernshaws adopt Heathcliff basically. He comes to live with them. a dynamic is immediately set up, which is Kathy treats him like he is a pet or like a toy and he will do anything to protect her even if it include even if it means sacrificing himself. So he, like, will, even if she does something that would get her in trouble, he takes the blame for it and thus the physical punishment from her drunkard of a father Um, and they have they by the way I mean I don't wantan to keep like doing this too much because You know, whatever. It's got quotation marks around it. But The dad in the dad in the book is just kind of like a dad. Eventually he gets sick and dies. He's not like classically and waste. They' they've kind of complelted his character with the the the the son who has been written out of this movie like later He loses Wuthering Heights to Heathcliff because he has been gambling so much h they've just combined that I think the the I think about those quotes, the quotes are on the title. like the thing that I've seen it described as was that Emerald Fanel was getting it trying to do something like this is what it what it feels like to be a young girl and reading this book for the first time. like it's more a vibe of the book than anything else. So that's so like I'm willing to buy all the changes from the story and things like that. But it's but I just, anyway, we'll get to our final It doesn't work. Let's get to that. Does it really work? exactly. So With that dynamic established, they there's already an intense connection that the movie makes you immediately aware of and you know this is they are in love Like there's no question. There's no moment like Do they kind of like each other? Do they like each other more than friends? No, immediately you're like they are into it. Yeah. Okay, fllash. Forward It is an unnumbered amount of years later. I think they have long enough for M to be very grown up and Jacob Lury to be a still pretty grown up. I think they have to f Nelly is also very grown up. Yes, they're all very and Nelly is now played by Hong Chao. again L is great in things. This is probablyably her least her like most thankless role next to the whale which is of a movie. There was I thought I saw this and then I saw the Sheep detectives, which she's a supporting character. And I was like, I really like her performance in the Sheep detectives. Like I wish that I gave her more to do and she's in a lot of this movie but they just don't they don't give her a lot to do other than kind of look disdainfully or disapprovingly at things. you know? Like she's she's so great in like the menu, like she's great in things U okay So flash forward Everybody's a a little bit grown up Mrter Earnshaw has left Wuthering Heights a ruin. He is a horrible drunk who has let everything fall apart Nelly is older, a little bit bitter at her situation. U Kathy is Bratier than ever.able. The problem is Kathy keeps trying on bathing suits and not liking the way she looks them going Yeah chocolate, chocolate, chocolate And and he other comicrips can we pull into this one. What if it really was they were like, it's Watherthern Hyson quQotes, and it is the comic strip character Kathy and the comic strip character Heath click in a relationship. wouldould that be better maybe a little And then they they had a happy ending, you know, for the kids. Exactly, exactly. Yeahah And then their neighbor moves in Dgwood bumps. There are oers sandwiches when he's trying to take a nap Cathy bothothers him U Okay. so and Heathcliffe at this point is like A rugged mountain man with a crazy beard and super long hair. Yeah a in a tall body covered in ropey muscles If this was a if this was a romance novel, it would be described as he has a body that was built from hard work, not bought at the gym I mean, this like bitch, that's hard work. Yeah, Wh are we Why are we drating any kind of effort? Yeah. But but you say you could say that that this is not a romance novel, but a romantic novel in the old sense of romanticism. So this's kind of like that. Yeah Okay, so again, the previous do you thinkan in the original book, does' Emily Brone say he had the kind of body that was that was that was earned by work, not bought at the gym Uhuh. Well I mean, she like had a real thing against Cunch fitness Yeah She wanted to take it down. so Yeah, no judgments.. Okay, so and again, the established dynamic between Heathcliffe and Kathy seems to have only extended. L they are very clearly into each other And they spend a lot of time like running around in the mooors, like picking each other up and doing shit like that. You know Romance stuff. I mean, to be fair to them, it is a kind of shorthand for romance that's very old fashioned but then doesn't they don't do much. But on the same with them, look where they live. There's nothing but mooors. There's nothing to do but climb up a crag Yeah and story Yeah L are you telling me these two people haven't Eimented yet. There's nothing to do. There's nothing to do and there's nobody around. Yeah. Come see, there's a new thistle So it's I think it's is it around this point where I actually don't have this part in my notes where Kathy gets When they go of space? Is this where Kathy gets mad at Heathcliff And goes she gets mad at Heathcliff and she goes at night, she storms over to to the barn that has holes in its roof Yes that he lives in. And she goes up to yell at him and she is interrupted by what one of the maids and the stable master U have a aggressive BDSM sex aggressive horse basaceed sex Yeah horse hor h place He is whipping her and And it puts a bridle in her mouth. Yeah. and Kathy like watches through like a knot hole from the ceiling. and I'm like, Oh, it's not a hole it was. What it This movie has stopped being inspired by Wuthering Heights and it has started being inspired by the adaptation of the Scarlet letter at this point. Yeah. And this should be this should be a really transgressive sexy scenes Right. But it just like doesn't it like't it can't quite get there. It's like first of all, there's there's very little patience involved. I feel like this movie suffers from a Total lack of patience. L is no there is not a single moment of foreplay in this movie. And ram the gong in immediately. And like even with and even with pornography, I would argue, not that I'm a porn expert, but I've had experiences with it. like the anticipation of what's going to happen is often more arousing than the actual thing, right? Like is this pizza delivery man doing here? But even just like the first the first you see this in movies all the time certainly as the sexiest part of a love scene in a movie is often in a real movie, not just for movie, is often the characters making those first tentative steps towards each other in an intimate way. And then once you get the actual scenes where it's fake thrusting against each other, you're like, all right, I know what this is. certainly as older man more in touch with my emotions, I'm like, what's the story here? I need to know what's going on I can't just see bodies? What's the scenario? What did his step momom get stuck in? Yeah, that's what Dan is wondering U But like know, it is you say has no patience, but the thing that baffles me about this movie and apologize for jumping ahead a little bit in terms of Okay. I' looking at Lin credits No, I wasm just like you're like the mid predace whereo that they gave Jacob O Lordy's stunt double second billing the Chistm. What did he even do I don't even recall any stunts. No, I mean, like this movie' two hours and twenty minutes long. As I said, it' the novel, which is like not much of a story because it's just like Okay, these two people are in love but they don't get married and then one of them gets mad about it and then she dies. And it's like There's so much just like This movie dragged so much for me. It seems like. Well, I think in a better version of the movie, it would be like in the mood of in the mood for love it's just an amazing movie. But we're like yeah, yeah in a better version, it would be an amazing movie. But where there's that is a movie that moves slowly because it's building such a thick atmosphere. It's such it's such a feeling. Like the feeling of it is so strong and so tactile and like you're living it. You're living in the atmosphere of that movie. You're it. You're soaking it. And here I think they That's the goal, but you're not really the air is so thin. Like the atmosphere is so thin. Like you're not, it's taking its time as if you are luxur eating in this swweat for lack of a better word of the movie, but but it's not there. the sweat's not there, you know I would say it's too dry, but every there's too much weathering up there. like that wind. Its like' like Sithering heights, am I right? Just kiss her already. So while she's watching this through a knot hole, yes, it's still a hole. Oh Heathcliff climbs on top of her and puts a hand over her mouth and over her eyes initially so she can't scream out And then I guess to like keep her from seeing it so she can just hear the sounds of horse sex. And not with horsepl. It's horseplay. Yeah horse. But it's not horseplay like when kids are horsepling around in a pool or something like that. You know not. And then of course, this will establish a fetish for Kathy later. Wh' the of sex or her having her mouth covered? mouth co covered Be it's like she's not in. I every f. E. L looks like there's that oldle. It really turns me on. I don't know what about it. There's that old artle local manan has naked lady fetish. about what a perv he is. but he just loves to see women without their clothes. It's like he'll even see women in real life and imagine what they look like without their clothes Now part of the reason this is the moment where after this, this has opened up a whole new world of pleasure for Kathy. She starts in. see She starts seeing sex in all things, whether it's somebody kneading dough. She's imagining, I don't know, hands kneading her dough. She s like, the reason she is mad at Heath Griff ising S' ever b m You should be wriding. romance novels I think one of the instigating elements between them like fighting is that one of the I think she puts eggs in his in his beded prank And he sits on it and like when he reveals the eggs like it's like all yolke. It's like the thickest yokks you ever he runsers through it. Yeah. And I'm like As an egg enthusiast, I'm like, damn, give me some of them eggs. Well, where do you think all those muscles are coming from? You just slurp enough that yok just yok total eggs. Yeah. Okay, so there's a lot of moments of like close ups of things like that to indicate sexiness, but there isn't it isn't actually slug. There's a slug. There's a slug not sex an Fff like slug snail movie. Have slugs been so sexy? Yeah A movie that I would say sexier than this one. That movie certainly creates a torid atmosphere in a way that this doesn't. This one it's like o This alsoose torpid. So But things in Whering Heights aren't going to be normal much longer because they gets some new neighbors in the form of Edgar Linton and his ward Isabella, Edgar what is like a super rich dude. I don't remember exactly They're just rich dud They're just rich people. Yeah. What's the name of his becausecause back then, like your fancy house has a name. his name is something like something Grange or something Thrush Cross Grange. Yeah Thrush Cross Grange. Not as cool as Wuthering Heights, but it's still pretty cool. Not as cool.'s his not Is that how you said? Jcribed as his war. Okay, because they're just brother and sister and I thought they were I I think they're brother and sister or too, but she's like under his Okay it's just like up under your sh or whatever the guy Okay, so Kathy is spying on these her new neighbors and she falls and she twists her ankle and Edgar goes outside of their very fancy garden to see Kathy. He is immediately in love And why's not in the midle with her. He's in the middle of nineteenth centuryngland and he meets Margot Robbie like I have to assume he would fall in love her instantly. Yeah, sure Yeah, yeah, he looks at her and he's like, this bitch has seen an iPhone before There's a lot of other hot singles in his area too thats true. Yeah, that's actually true. And I'm honestly like Isabella who is probably my favorite character in the movie is she's like very into ribbons and I'd be like, give me someone else to talk to. I think Isabella, I think is Isabell charter Isabel's the one character in the movie where I'm like This is getting into the territory I want this movie to get into.ike this character has things going on inside of her that are that are out of the ordinary.. And that actress, I don't remember the actress's name, but she was also in she was really good on that show Task where she plays a character with a much different accent. This is Alison Oliver, is her name? I'm not familiar with her at all fromersook, but I really liked her performance in this. Elliot, if you want to see primarily English and Australian actors doing Delco accents,. Yeah check out Task buddy. It's so funny. They're like they're leaning, they're putting so much sauce on that shitic recommendation. It's I mean It's a good show. It's really fun. My movie recommendation today is going to be partly because of a specific accent that's in the movie. Stewart knows exactly what to's talk. So I know exactly. like I gott to tell you Check out check out Task and it's the preceding show, Mayor of Eastown.. Okay Kathy spends what we come to learn is like a month or something at Thrush Cross Grange healing. and in that time, Edgar's love has only deepened. He's obsessed with her, and he asks for her hand in marriage U Kathy returns to Wuthering Heights. Heathcliff is pissed or an argument Kathy reveals to Nelly that Edgar has proposed to her and that Uh, you know And Nelly steers the conversation, fearing that she will be left alone here in Whering Heights in squalor and garbage. Um And we should mention also, Wuthering Heights is a weird looking house. Like these sets are not realistic sets. They're weirdly designed. It was like throughout it, I was like, it's like they bought the sets from an unmade Terry Gilliam version of Wuthering Heights and then just we were like, these are already made. We'll just use them. It's a weird looking building. I do like that the entryway you walk through the place they slaughter pigs. The ent is right is the slaughter alley. And it's like there's one side of the house and another side of the house and they're connected like it's like it's designed like a tie fighter, you know, is the book des do they describe it as looking like a tie fighter? Well, I do would say like certainly in the book, the Lentonss are more well off than, you know Kathy and her father they in Chhaws. But like here it is to a ridiculous degree where, you know, as soon as you go to the Linton's place like we're in Marie Antoinette, you know The other thing is so the Lint so I kept expecting them to draw some parallel that like Whering Heights is a dark, gloomy place, but the Linton house is something she can aspire to where it's not weird. Their house is also very weird. Like they have that fireplace that's made out of plaster casts of human hands. Every wall has a human hand coming out of it holding a flower or a candle or something. Kathy's rooms covered in her skin. that's. that happens a little bit later. In the words of another podcast She made it weird by making her room his skit. But like Audrey pointed out that maybe those hands were meant to evoke the cockto beauty the Beast in the sense that she's sort of like not a prisoner in the same way, but like she doesn't necessarily want to be there. I think that's a really astute connection and I bet that's accurate, but I would say like the Ernsaws or the, the the that his Edgar's house should not remind us of the beast' house, because even if it' the idea that she's prisoner there, like, it doesn't it just doesn't fill the same role in the story. Like those characters are not She's not in the house of a monster whoo is keeping her prisoner and she's going to have to find the magic within it. you know? No, she's clearly a prisoner of her own desires. Yes. So that's the name of your romance novel. Prisoner of H desires. You gott it Dan, you're writing this airlock Homes book. Stewart, you're writing priser of her D desires. She's. You number sixty nine Gough S, it's aot it's a hot book. It's always a hot book. Yeahah In this conversation fucking you That's what they say at the end of each conversation. She ends up She ends up arguing with Nelly and tells Nelly that she doesn't understand, she's never been loved or will love anybody. And Nelly steers the conversation in a way so that she has to admit that she is going to accept Edgar's because she can't marry Heathcliff. It's beneath her station. She says it would degrade her and it wouldgrade her. Nelly has seen because of the shadow under the door that she knows Heathcliff is listening. Heathcliffe can hear this, you know,. And we know based on last parts of the movie, Heathcliff's a freak who likes to peep, you know Israel cle peep Yeah, Heathcliff hears this shit and he ain't having it. So he takes a horse and he goes riding off into a very interesting, like a very non English sunset to me. maybe I'm wrong I mean, the sun does set there, so I would I that the sun would never set. ye, that's a good point. on the empire. Yeah, that's true It was so foggy, you can't even tell, you know, they thought that the sun never set in the emmpire. It was just the fog.ust the fog yeah. And pirate ghosts were coming out and bothering them when the sun was setting, and they get distracted and miss it. yeah That's, you know, it's okay. The DJ made it out of liive, right? Yeah, finally. Yeahah. than God So DJ Tanner. P house. We associating now. Yeah. Kathy wakes up. She's like, oh, wait, I made a big mistake. I think I love Heathcliff. and it's like no fucking shit idiot. You knew that already. You knew that wasn't a new new information. I shouldn't have accepted this guy's proposal or whatever. And then she finds out, oh wit, Heathcliff dipped, he already left. What? And he took one of the horses. So she spends a whole year You know what happens to that horse barn. You know what he's doing with that horse? Yeahah. Yeah U So she spends a year of longing waiting for him to come back. This is when she gets married. Edgar upholsters her bedroom in walls meant to look like her skin, including thea a whole year before getting married. Oh, that's true, that's true U And then yeah, then they get married. they have one of these weddings where she's wearing all black. you know, one of those normal weddings. and yeah, he upholstters her bedroom walls to look like her skin, including her beauty marks, which is funny because it's like's like soft. Yes. And so he should do that for his room It doesn't make sense for her room to be be like that. Yeah She's not attracted to her own skin as far as I can tell, but he is. So anyway. So we get a little bit of a montage of wedded Biss, which is basically just like goofing around the house. It really It really looks like they are just hanging they're just having a staycation over winter break or something like that. They just hanging And Isabella has like given up her ribbon room so that Kathy can have a room like Isabella is And also must be enormous. Like there's plenty of rooms. They can both have rooms, you know. And Isabella has almost like a child like mind. She is very naive and she brings a naiveay that like kind of would think that the Kathy character would also have to some extent, I don't know Yeah this is this one she gives her like the book she made of all the different like things that Kathy looked at or pointed at that Isabella ister. The second character I'm like, so are is everyone in love with Kathy Like is's Margot Robie Dan? It's Rar No I I get it. It's just just like I feel like that is laid into into the movie without really it meaning anything. you know, But it is something where people seem to love her or be obsessed with her without her doing anything. Yes. I will say that there's a so right now I'm reading the House of Mirth by Edith Wardon. And the main character in that, she is this kind of woman where she's so beautiful and she has such grace and elegance that just her presence people become very obsessed with her, but in a way that ultimately hurts her in the long run. But like the It's just like, peopleeople are so drawn to her that they all seem to want to be around her or be close to her. And I would kind of if that's what they were going for at this, I would buy it, but I'm like, I feel like they don't go Again, with a lot of things in movies they don't go quite far enough for a movie that' supped to be like shocking and like idating I feel think they don't far enough in that idea of like, She's just so charismatic that everyone's drawn turn wants to be involved with her in some way, you know I'm you say it hurts you in the long run, I'm like, oh, did didt Edith Wharton book turn out sadly? Yeah No She also makes some mistakes. she makes some mistakes just a marriage Kathy Kathy goes to check in on her dad who has become like a weird little gollm Gremlin who' being It's literally, but I mean, almost literally. like his teeth are rotting. he He's just sitting in a corner drunk going o He's begging for money and when she throws some money on the ground, he's like, no, don't go. You gott to watch me pick it up. He goes go's my punishment because you have to watch me pick up every penny. And like but he's essentially turning into the Leprechaun from the Leprechaun movie. that's where he is right now But also like there seem to still be people working at the house. So it's not like he still has a couple servants, and yet he's still somehow turning into a bog Gremlin. And yeah, I mean, that's a classic English folk tale, right about gu turns into a bog Gremlin. Okay, so happy news though, everybody, Kathy's pregnant She probably got pregnant when she has sex with Edgar and she makes him cover her eyes and mouth like Heathcliffe did.. And he was like, that was crazy, Bay. So of course, those happy tidings are brought along by a return of Heathcliff. Heathcliff's back. and this time, guess what guys? he's hot now And he's ris. shed his're always hot. No way. he's hot right now. he's got a little gold tooth.'s's hot like a cave manan way, whereas now he's hot in like a dignified gentleman way. Sure sure. A dignified gentleman with an earound Yeah. and he's got frilly cuffs that like I love the cuffs on his shirts. They're so frilly. It's great. I mean That was got back in that. He looks like he looks like Lynch from team seven. does You know what'su? I didn't think about it. He does look like Lynch from team seven. He's like he should Jacob Lready should starting the young Lynch adventures. U yeah, look he looks like he looks like he should be he could play Sebastian Shaw in the Hellfire Club with this get up I mean's finally a reference I know. That finally a comicbook reference that Dans familiar with. Yeah, yeah. fromr the eighties instead of the nineties. Yeah. So and and he comes back he would be he would be great casting for Sebastian Shaw. to be honest, Like if it was a younger Sebastian Shaw, he would be great in it. Yeah And he is he's back. he is rich from some mysterious means. He never kind of reveals it. Dan, in the book No we don't explain No they just show he just shows up and he's rich now. But the assumption is he did something bad Right Like there's no way he Elliot, anytime somebody becomes rich to something bad. Yeah. Well, not always, not always. There's one or two people who got rich not doing bad things Jor Luas. Okay ye I guess Yeah, yeah. ye. Okay. so Heath Cliff returns. he and Kathy, you know, they still have a will, they won't they They're clearly still very much into each other. And meanwhile, Heathcliff buys Woolhering Heights from her father, probably tricks him out to like ease his gambling debts I mean, I think at this point, he's sunk so far, He he just has to throw some money on the floor and And he Shortly after o, yes, I'll sell the house M coins, me coins. Oh. Shortly after the dad dies. Oh is want to buy me house. Yeah, exactly. Kathy goes to Kathy goes to his house to find him lying on his back in a room with like mountains of b B orers B fraying him. like some of the extravagant stuff I'm like again, this I like. some of the really work. And that works. When it's taking something that that when it's taking something from a that makes sense in the story and like exaggerating it to a grotese degree Yeah. like I like that. I really like that. When it's just doing strange things for atmosphere, but they're not really connected to what's happening. Yeah When they go to the other side or whatever upside down. Yeah I hate that sh. Exactly. Yeah the whole dream sequence where it's the nineteen thirties all of a sudden then they're just Lindy hopping all over the place. Yeah, that's that Like, wait I gotta go to a pl to understand this Not for me. JK, you should go to the play. My neighbor's in it and I wantan to support her. This Stanger thingsings play Yeahah, she's in the stream.. It would be so funny. it would be so funny, if halfway through this movie Halfway through this movie, Ahsoka turned up and it was like, wait, I had to watch Ahsoka to understand the Wathering heights adaptation. Oh. Okay. there's also when Kathy is raging over her father's death She She initially seems sad about it. and then out of anger she starts kicking him and she kicks him in the head and his teeth come flying out. Yeah, that's good. I like that . So when consoling her after at the funeral, Heathcliffe consoles Kathy and that immediately starts turns to them hooking up. And again You would think we are this late in the movie. You would think that this is the moment where like they are going to connect and they are giving into their passions. This is like give me some fucking Zalman King shit here No dice. They're just start hooking up and you're like, okay, I guess they're hooking up now. Like there's no like, it doesn't feel like a payoff. It doesn't feel like an eruption. you know No it's just kind of like a montage of them having sex in different places and it's I think it's supposed to have that feeling of like, Ugh, they unleashed. Oh wow, like the the flood walls if the flood is knocked down the walls like it's but it's yeah, just doesn't you don't feel that that overcome with emotion. you don't feel that release or that that like finally, you know, it's You know, it's just not, it's not quite there, unfortunately Okay so it's not like the moment when PeeWee finally gets his bike back in Peewe's big adventure where you're suddenly like, o man, now these two are together again. Oh o boy. what's your sons. So Nell, Nelly is aware of this affair going on. Kathy is not adept enough at sneaking And Hill is And Nelly, Nelly's not happy about it. She's a little stressed later on, she gets she gets even more mad. And similar to The Nellie Fertado song promiscuous. She's sick of, you know, she's sick of this promiscuous girl. I know where you are etcetera, et ccera. Premiscous boy, you know Yeah, but she doesn't have the passion me, et cetera,et. She doesn't have the passion of the man eater from the Nelly Frato song man. Thank you, Nelly.. she saw Kathy turn out the lights and she knows what's going on Okay. so she Katy is sick in Ellie and she decides to banish at her and kick her out. And Nelly is like, where am I going to go? And Kathy's like, I don't give a shit So Nelly goes to Edgar and basically says U Yeahah, she's been having an affair with Heathcliff whichich Edgar does the thing the normal thing, which he just says, you can't have Keath Cliff over anymore Of course Lic, I don't want you hanging out with Heathcliffe, which I feel like At this time, most gentlemen would not be super happy with their wives spending unsupervised time with rakes, right? Probably What kind of rakes? like But I guess this rake is her adoptive brothers. W let's play this out. Let's in play this out Yeah are the wide ones with like kind of the flexible end or like the ones that are, you know, more like a ho But I mean, this rake is kind of is kind of just giving it up to Kathy whenever, wherever, you know. Izoned out. Do we talk about like has the weird like bondage stuff with Isabella happened yet? We're about to do that It hasn't happened yet Kathy and Kathy and Heathcliffe are hooking up. She reveals that she's pregnant and Heathcliff seems fine with it. But then when they're hooking up, he while they're doing it sorry. he's lost. just thought of some gross talk He could have by all means. I'm gonna squirt that baby in the face. Oh man. Yeah If he had said that I would have been like Wuthering Heights, I got toa give you credit for being gross. I can only assume Elliot based this off of his real life experiences as a father. sure. ye, of course. So Heathcliff seems fine with it, But then while they', part of his like dirty talk is he's like, yeah, I'll go kill Edgar. Like I'll just go up and kill him right now. is my fake dirty talk that I just did any weirder than him being like, yeah, I'm just gonna to kill your husband I'm gonna to lick his blood up. kill him right now. I don't know Don't make me choose. Yeah o. So U Kathy obviously still, you know, still is into it in the time, but During her post nut clarity, she's like, yo, wait, that would cross the line. Maybe don't kill husband,.'t do Don't do And she's like, I can't see anymore. We're done And and Heathcliff's like, Yeahah, whatever. you said that last time, but she seems to mean it. So he's like Okay, fuck this. immediately goes over to Isabella, who is clearly infatuated with him. Yes. and he's like I' going I'm going to be a piece of shit to you. I'm going to treat you like crap. I am never going to love you Uh do you want to get married? And she's like, Yep when hes say and like this is this is one of the fews again, there's the Isabella stuff is one of the rare points of the movie I'm like this movie is getting into the kind of like stranger passions that it wants to get to. where're like he's undressed in her piece by piece and he's being like, I'm going to be terrible to you. I'm never going to treat U well. I'm only going to marry you so I can get a Cathley Do you want me to keep going? She goes, Yes Im going to do this. I'm going to be abominal L like I'm do all these b things. do me doing? Yes. And like that's ands so they get married. But like I like the way that scene is structured where it it's not I'm going to trick Isabella into into loving me. So like he's just like, look, I know you're so desperate anythingthing that you're gonna to take this, but maybe you like it too. And she's like, yeah, maybe I do like it. Like that's the It's an interesting place to go. Yeah there's a certain amount of modern like subdOM think play. Yeah. Yeah, they engage in a full subdOM relationship which is even though it is like L by subdom me submissive and dominant, not submarine sandwich Dom Del Luise, which is a different relationship. Yeah. well There's a certain amount of eating in both, but different types of eating. but It's just like this is a part where like, you know, textally it's kind of unpleasant because you know Like how little he cares for her It does It is like one of the few things that comes close to being kind of sexy, but it's also kind of like a shitty thing to do to the book character Isabelle who like in the book, it's not, you know He just is abusive towards her and she is like the one character who kind of gets out of there. She's like I'm not having this. I'm going to escape. you know, she goes off and has like Part of a life in London. she eventually dies within the span of the book, but offffs screen, free of these weirdos And like to a certain deree, I'm like, well, this is unfair to this this is unfair to this character. I shouldn't be bringing outside stuff, but it's like you're making her so pathetic here versus I don't I don't know because I don't know about that because I think that The thing that changes that for me is the scene also when Nelly goes to visit, and he's treating her like a dog for real. And she the way at least the way that Alice Moliver is playing it She seems to genuinely be into this. No she' enjoying it. And I'm like, this gives this character a because you know, in a DOM sub relationship, not I only know it academically, but like in a DOM sub relationship, the sub has a certain amount of power. You did your PhD on it. Yeah I did. yeah. It was that in the elasticity of mice. The elasticity of mice in a subdomin relationship, But like the sub has a certain amount of power power because they are essentially ting setting the rules of limits and things like that, right? Like it is based on and it's not like they're not being when they're being punished or whatever being submissive,'s because they're getting pleasure out of it. They're driving it in that way. And so I think by giving this making this a pleasurable thing for her, it makes her character much more powerful and has much more agency than she might have been if it was just, Oh it's another victim of Heath Glyiff's You know, hor just vimization. sureure. I mean I'm talking about how she specifically is like You know what, fuck this. I'm out of the book. who actually leaves. But what this also means though is at the end of this movie, when Nelly comes in like rescues Isabella, it doesn't really make total sense to me because Isabella it seems to be Again, super into this moment. maybe it's just maybe' S syndrome, Maybe it's just she just putting up a show. I don't know, but it's but it feels like I was like this again, the only other scene where I was like now this movie is getting into like interestnteresting sexual waters, you know, which is where it wants to be. The most interesting sexual waters, of course, me be John Waters, but the moie' that Oh fascinating. you're right. I' to you on that. Yeah, the elasticity of John Waters in mice, you know. And I think it a little bit does a disservice to the Heathcliffe character because it effectively absolves him of any wrongdoing here. I think that's true too. Yeahah,'s which is not Yeah. because that that will definitely true of this movie in general, Everyone is absolved of wrongdoing in a way where the book is just like, this is kind of a nest of viper., strangely, the one character that seems to be not absolved of wrongdoing is Edgar the character who is on the surface doing the least amount of anything to anybody. likeike he meets a woman, he falls in love with her, he marries her. He has the expectation she's not going to have an affair. L that's pretty much it, you know, for the most part. I don't know. But he's but the movie seems to treat him as like Oh Why is he standing in the way of Heathcliff and Kathy? And it's like, well, she I mean She's the one who's doing not who's not treating her right, you know, So The one weird thing he does is that skin room, you know? Yeah. Okay, so As we said, Heathcliff and Isabella get married. They have this relationship U And this when Kathy finds out, she begs them to stop, but clearly Isabella iss into it and Heathcliff likes to torment Uh, Kathy with it. Kathy gets depressed She stays at home, she doesn't leave her room. Heathcliff feels bad like Heathcliff still wants Kathy in his life, even though she can't, you know, even though he wants to torment her, it's only worth it if she's involved still So he's writing her letters, but whenever those letters show up, Nelly just burns them again. Um So Kathy loses the child This causes sepsis and she sickens U they don't catch it until it's far too late. Her legs are all gross and she's all sick. She's dying. so Nelly rushes to Heathcliff who and frees Isabella Heathcliff rushes over, but it's too late. Kathy's already toast And she bleeds out in a massive spreading pool of blood. I mean, the thing is also when a woman gives birth, there's there is a lot of blood. There is so it's like there's a they there's a lot of blood in that scene but I was like, I mean, like a regular birth, there's a fair amount of blood coming out too. So I guess this is dramatic, you know, but it's not Yeah If it was a successful birth, it would not have been blood free. Birds are very messy. Yeah, you know. Um And again There's some gross exciting images here, but you know, whatever. And nothing is exc. You know what? we did go over we slid over one of my favorite weird things in, which is the prawns in aspic that they're serving at when one of the meals. There's just huge blocks of aspic with prawns in them. And I just kept thinking about So they boil the prawns first and then put them in the aspect? And for people not familiar with weird foods of olden days, that we don't really eat that much anymore. It's like a gelatin mold essentially.elatin a blck full of pongs. It' a savory gelatin thing. Yeah. and she like sticks her finger it into the. She just pokes her finger all the way through like into a prawn's mouth or something like that Anway, that's sexy. I want to say that Kathy's death here, you know, the fact that it's related to her miscarriage is a lot more sort of like A reason is given more than in the book where in the book she's actually mad at her husband seemingly not caring that she is in hysterics and like she starves herself for a long time. and What I remember about Wuthering Heights most sort of enduringly is that every thirty pages or so, someone would get so emotional that they would fall sick with undisclosed illness and sometimes they would die of it, sometimes they would recover and be like weaker forever, but that was that was what was going on I mean they literally That's actually I got sick guys because I was I was really upset. You were so emotional. You guys ye, you guys weren't complimenting my My latest haircut and I sorry., it looks great. Yeah that's not. I'm dead already. Oh. No no. Speaking of dead already, Kathy's dead and Heathcliff is like, no, haunt me, comeome back as a ghost. you know, I never I always want to thank you forever, you know. And that's the end of the movie. And that's the end of the movie. Just him howling in anguish And that's it. Yeah. Yeah Jging That't really like I feel like in this version, They like haunt me as a ghost stuff doesn't really land that much because it doesn't connect anything like in The book and presumably in other adaptations and in Kate Bush's Weathering Heide Song is about Kathy actually showing up at a certain point and like It's like, oh, is this actually a ghost? Is this really not adaptation. The Kateush Whering because he does believe she's haunting him, right? in the book? Well, she he wishes for it. He's like he's he hangs around kind of waiting for her haus him. and and she actually like shows up like the narrator of the book who is cut for obvious reasons. He's like totally unnecessary. He goes and he sleeps theonight at Wuthering Heights and sees Kathy outside the window And Heath Clip is so like mad that like he missed it. He get the haunting. I mean, then later att the end, he finally sees her, but Anyway, spoilers for the book. Yeah it wants the screw turned, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yep. This is the part where we do our final judgments whether this is a good bad movie, a bad bad movie or a movie we kind of like. And I want to say I walked into this You know, all prepared to like it just fine. I, you know, Emerald Fennel is a polarizing. writer director, But I have enjoyed her previous work mostly and Um, You know, I also like I mentioned Marie Antoinette earlier. I like movies that take big swings with like maybe we're going to have some anachronistic elements here. Maybe we're going to have like Huge lake. stylish visuals, but I would argue that Something like Marie Antoinette does that in service of making a point about the material Whas here in Whering Heights Lake I see what She was saying about like, oh, the feeling of reading it, but I think that For the most part, a lot of the big swings kind of fights the material. It doesn't actually feel like it's saying anything about the original and I just found it so slow I have to say bad bad. I just didn't really enjoy watching this at all Yeah, for something that's dealing with big passions, I find it to be Uh kind of kind of dull and a bit lifeless Um, I I feel like there's no like build upp. It feels very Uh yeah, it feels and most of the choices feel so obvious Yeah, just I as well, I'm a bit of a emerald Fennel apologist with the previous movies, but this one this one doesn't work. And I was also disappointed that like I generally like Charlie X theX stuff when utilized in movies. and I feel like even the soundtrack was a little bit weak So I'm going to say bad bad I feel like for me, it doesn't quite fit into our categories exactly. Of all of them, it would be bad bad, I guess, because I did find it like you guys describe a little Lifeless and kind of disappointing less in that like, well, this isn't the story of Wuthering Heights, but instead, I'm not a Dan McCoy. But instead I really wouldn't have cared if the movie worked. It's only that it didn't that I'm like, well, you've replaced the stuff that I enjoyed with dumb stuff. If we replac it with stuff I enjoyed as well, that would be fine.' hungry for nothing But I think the going into it, I think I expected it to be more shocking and more out there and kind of like pushing buttons. And I was really disappointed that that it wasn't. And I think the if the things that like I think you're right that that S of the stylistic things are fighting what's actually going on in the story and what these characters are doing. But if those things had been so like such big swings that I might have been like, you know what? It feels like she is laying another movie on top of that story and she's at least using it as an opportunity to do really big, really memorable things. And I wish that there was more it was like There's so many good people who worked on this and there's so much good little pieces in it. Like there's pieces of Art design, pieces of the wardrobe, pieces of like some of the performances, like some of the moments that I like and it looks beautiful. It's a beautiful looking movie. It's just I wish it either worked better dramatically or it was B there thing. likeike if it was if I was watching it and every couple minutes, I was like, really? Okaykay. like if this economy Yeah if it was challenging me more with the things it was doing, but instead it it felt a little like I hate to say it, but it feels like a safe version of an of an a like taboo busting movie where exactly And I think I was saying at the beginning of the movie, you see someone get hung and everyone's pointing out how he has an erection. and then you see people just start making out and mounting each other in in the town square. and I'm like, well, she did it. That's the movie like there's nothing more that she can reach. There's nowhere to build from there. Like this's already a society suffused there's no There's no subtext to it and there's no once you've done that, it was hard for her to top that in terms of like outrageousness. I wish it was a more outrageous movie, basically you know.. Yeah so truly outrageous. Like which one Gim The musician Jem. No think it's truly outrageous. truly, truly, truly outrageous. I think reach the limits of my frame of reference culturally But I think I've been pondering a Jim manyi because I've watched so much Jim and become so weirdly into it. but Oh, this is Jem in the holograms? Yeah, yeah ye., okay. I thought it was a new person named Jem. I think I didn't know that song because I don't I think I haven't watched a gym in theollyw. I got to explain gym in the Hoam you guys. But I think you surely should. But I think it's say, yeah, I guess it's a bad bad, but it's like not 's terrible. It's just not it's just kind of a misfire, you know Misfire, you get caught up in the misfire crossfire song. Yeah as we come flying out on I don't know Hverboards. Yeahah. Yeah And then and a kid with fingerless leather gloves is going. Yeah, yeah. L a commercial Hey, it's John Moe, I host Depressh Mode and Sleeping with Celebrities, and I'm here with MaxFun member of the mononth, Kara Barnett. Hi, John. It's great to talk to you. We appreciate your support, Kara. 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Let's say you don't want to read it with your eyes. Let's say you want to listen to my mellifluous tones as they read the book to you while you do other things Now you can do just that. Joke farming, the audiobook as read by me, the author but I didn't read it that way. is available wherever you can buy and download audioobooks. Please do buy it, listen to it share it It is all of my joke writing wisdom in one place For you and I hope you enjoy Let let's answer some letters from listeners before we get into the letters I wanted to acknowledge an outpouring from from several people who wrote or Uh, Teeted, not You know, I'm not going to Nm not going to use a new word for tweeting, even though I'm not on X anymore for a long time. Dan, what is So what are we talking about? So take Many people contacted the podcast in many different ways to say how They were confused when listening to the forty Days and forty nights episode because they had either confused that movie with Six days, seven night with Harrison Ford and Anne Hage, yeah. Or thirty days of night, which is also a Josh Har Har. Also with Josh Harby. Yeahah. ye. more understandable to be. It's a movie where Danny Houston's always trying to do it, right But I found this both amusing and it was just another sort of indication of like Oh, I'm not like other humans because they This I would never confuse these things like but that's because I'm too plugged into every dumb fucking movie that's been made. I remember what they are. But yeah, several people were like When are they going to start talking about the vampires?, Is it possible for you to be a professional movie trivia guy? because I think you would be great at it. I think you would be great at it. Yeah you should get on Is that Colin Joe Y still Do you think Yks is not pop culture is kind of that. And I think you do pretty good. You just need to find somebody who doesn't do just movies. like you should find somebody who's like up on I don't know modern what? like Are you up on mod what's your weak point in pop culture trivia U I mean, there's like a lot of like modern like internet personalities I would have no context for Tam up somebody So team up with like an eight year old. Yeahah. Like several aging would be hipsters. I gave up on music about ten years ago. So listeners, if you know any eight year olds, you should team up with Dan for pop culture jeopardy. J just send them in Yeah. like Dan, what are your pop culture weak points? He' like anything after I was thirty two years old? Like, okay, that's just part of growing up, Dan I mean, yeah, to a large degree. I mean other than, I mean, like I'm still I think, up on movies and TVure, sureure ye Yeah U hey, let's get into the meaty letters though. I just wanted to acknowledge how amused I was at how many people? L there were like seven or eight people who contacted with that, which means that You know, sample size the afternoon. at least a thousand people who thought we were going to talk about vampires. Yeah. Yeah. O orr Harrison Ford. Or Harison Ford in Haitian what a plane crash somewhere? Yeah That was the movie crash somewhere that I saw it and the people came in after the movie being like, we're sorry that the movie theater flooded while you're watching this. hereere, have some free tickets and my friend Matt and I were like, what? we like looked down and' like, Ohh, there's yeah, there's water on the floor. You were just so caught up in the movie. You were so transformnt. Yeah. ye. That's of a good film.. U this one's from Brian last name with Held, this letter know like this Dan's mention of time bandits on the Gabby's Dollhouse episode reminded me that I've seen time bandits at least three times from start to finish And the only things I can remember minutes. The only things I can remember what is that evenil? eas What's bothering you? It's nothing. Literally meaningess. The only things I can remember about it are one John Kleese is in it and two So are a bunch of little people. Are there any movies that you've watched multiple times and manage to retain Almost no information about Slop hard, Brian, last name with hell. That's interesting to me, because T timee Bandance, I feel like have so many indelible images. The giant armoragging his arm ripped off in the arm wresting match Uh, did that happen? I mean, that happens Yeah that's that's in the Robin sequence, but that that's That's what that's's. Connery is like aemon No I was thinking more of like, you know, like the The cages hanging in a vast void that they swing across you're evil good Parent floating Yeah spinning puffing up like a ball and spinning around and everything. Yeah. That's a fucking sick move. Like if I'm if I'm gonna if I get caught in a like jumped in an alley by some tuffs, I'm going to puff up like a big ball I don't know that there are movies that I've seen multiple times that I you know, haven't that I don't retain anything for. I have noticed Since I've been doing letter boox, you know, pretty religiously, like There have been a couple of times when I start watching a movie or think about watching a movie And then I go to my own letterbox. I'm like Oh, I saw this. Like I' been erased from my mind I, you know, I've never notothing is like interestnteresting as as time. I don't mean to like make fun of the reader the writer of this letter, but But that's the closest you get to a momento situation is you check your letterbox and you're like, I saw this spoofie already. Yeah. What? I have this experience with some movies that I watched as a kid. There's some movies I watched as a kid like Gremlins that just imprinted or Robocop that imprinted themselves my mind. And I remember them in such detail. even super good movies. Yes. But then there's movies like I know as a kid, I watched Baby Secret of the Lost Legend A lot Do it has a dinosaur in it. I remember almost nothing about it. almost nothing that happens in it. I bet if you watched it now, you wouldd be like, I remember everything Only one way to find out. DanQw it up, firered it up I mean, it would kind of be a good nostalgia pick for us, I think, but maybe yeah. But actually that could be a good flop TV season's movies from our childhood that we don't remember that well. Yeah. I think otherwise there's movies I've seen like once. I know I've seen the movie stage right the Alfreda Chuck movie because I remember a couple moments from it, but otherwise I don't remember most of the movie. And there's a few movies like that where I saw it once and I just I know I've seen it and yet somehow I retain very little, but mostly it's movies I watched when I was young that werere that they just weren't I guess good enough to stick in my head, you know Um But Stuart, J anything like that I feel like there's like entries in large franchises that I'm like, I've probably seen I've probably only seen like one or two and I've actually seen all of them But can't I can't think of anything specific here. But real quick, so if my secret move is blowing up as a ball to defend myself How would that how would that compare to your move, Elliot, the what eradicator, the eliminator liberator. The liberator, weven' talk about this in years. This is a moie that I dreamed in a dream once that a friend of the podcast, friend and Hey and I in the dream were in a f we were in a fight with two people. And I said to the person I was paired up with, have a taste of the liberator and it was just a straight leg kick right up into the other person's crotch, kind of like in train sppotting. There's a kick like that, but they don't call it the liberator So yeah, I think being puff the two of us I think we'reing to fight. I'll be on offense, you'll be on defense. you'll puff up into a big ball and I'll just straightly kick everybody in the crotch. Yeah. He's Okay. Yeah, it's good team. But what's the name of your puff move? That's a good call. I'm going to say the I mean, the puffer fish would be super accurate, but it doesn't sound as cool. So I would say probably U Maximum Defender. That's great. I love it. yeah Okay, and this next letter, I was trying to find the writer of it. I apologize. It seems to have not made its way into my document. Rich arrivean. It did arrive at your house in a bottle. Yeah, yeah. ye. This person says, I want to point out a flop house reference made by Jim Carerey in Sonic three. In the moment where Grandpa Egghead used Nanotech to create a giant mechanical hand, Egghead says Oh a nanofist Haven't seen that since I hate watch Green Lantern in twenty eleven Now this seems like a stretch If you go back and listen to your episode on Green Lanch in twenty eleven It is mentioned that Dan got a sonic game for his iPad. So I find this not to be coincidence, but the great Jim Carey is shouting you guys out. nure. So yeah, thank you for Thanks drawing those connections in red twine on the wall Appreciate it U But we should move on to reccommendations, movies that perhaps would be a better use of your time than Th Whering Heights, which we were all best mixed on I'm going to recommend a movie that I saw at the most recent ridiculous subublime at the Night Hawk last night Uh Stewart was briefly intrigued by this one, but he's got a lot of travel. He's been sick. He didn't make it Ian said so Yeah. well, yeah, I just I'm just doing this to taunt you. Yeah everyvery time I see afterl a blime screening, I see Dan post about in letterbox. I'm like, fuck, I was supposed to go to that. This is from nineteen eighty nine. It is the movie Communion based on of the same name. Wit the Striver. Yeah. Yeah, one that purports to be a true tale of his u Alien abduction but was written by the man who wrote Wolfin and what was the other thing he wrote Is there's like these it was a vampire Oh the hunger. So this is I forgot, you wrote the Hunger Oh yeah. Heote two books and he wrote comedian. and He's like, no, but this one's real. I'm like, I don't think so. But it's nice drive An early ish, you know UFO abduction narrative and this movie version of it stars Christopher Walkin as a supposedly normal author before he gets abducted, but he is he is totally Christopher Walening the whole time. L he is going nuts in this movie. If you want to see unleash Chropher Walk in where he's like I'm not going to say anything normal. L She's great in it. He's a lot of fun. The movie is kind of weird how it like It doesn't really go much of anywhere. It's like Christopher Walkin slowly realizes that he was abducted and probed and has memories about it. That's pretty much it. Yeah That's pretty much it, you know, like There's a funny kind of half resolution at the end that I don't want to spoil for anyone because it's so silly, but like This is like all of the ridiculous subublime movies.'s it walks the line of like, There's a lot in here that's funny because it's just like what? What is going on? This is a weird and a lot of it that kind of genuinely works even though I don't like it's grounded in supposedly realism that is, again, thrown off kilter by Christher Walkin's strangeness And then like all of the effects are goofy, but goofy in a way that is really charming. So like I'm not recommending it as like a movie that It totally works like a normal movie would, but as a fun ex. I think that would be. I think there would be a recommendation that doesn't hold up to scrutiny if you were recommending it that way. Yeah Yeah. So communion ninet I mean, it's a movie that you're recommending that was screened as part of the ridiculous sublime series. Y I feel like that does most of the work So in since we're talking about like Stories like love stories of obsession and desire. I thought I'd talk about another love story that actually doesn't need my help at all because it's doing some Bao Bo. I'm talking about the movie obsession The horror movie from Curry Barker doing big o numbers. People are obsessed with it And I think it's really great. It's really fun. The premise is a kind of cowardly wimpy dude who Who's like a real nice guy though is obsessed with his He's obsessed with a longtime friend of his in the friend group and he wants to ask her out but he doesn't have the gut so he breaks a one wish willow to allow him to get his wish for her to love him more than anyone else in the world. and it immediately goes crazy. And it's great and it's weird ends up being way weirder than I thought it would be because I feel like it's a fairly straightforward premise that they expand on in kind of interesting directions And it's all anchored by just an incredible performance from the lead actress whose name, I can't remember, but she's so good in it. yeah, it's really great. And so and the lighting is incredible. L the lighting is really good in it. So if you haven't seen it yet and you want to see something a little bit quzy, check it out U I am going to recommend. so I This is a this is a not this is a semi qualified recommendation. So that with what I was thinking with Wuthering Heights, I wanted the movie to be sleazier a little bit, right? Like it was still a little too respectable and dignified for what I think it was trying to do. Luckily, I happened to watch a movie recently, which I think is one of the sleazziest like professionally made movies, I've seen maybe ever, but in a long time. And I was wondering, Dan, have you ever seen this movie? It's a fifty two pickup with Roy Scheidder. Oh And like I was watching it and I was like the time I was like, Dan would like this. This movie is a sleez fest. But it's a it's Roy Scheidder plays a very unlikable rich guy who starts being blackmailed because of an affair he's having. His wife is about to run for city cououncil L And he starts being blackmailed for having this affair and the people blackmailing him are the sleaziest bunch of guys. He's really sleazy. like every and things just keep descending and getting worse for him. and he doesn't really know how to handle this. And the but the bad guys in it are such fun characters. and the main the lead bad guys is played by John Glover who W always be for me, Daniel Klamp from Grossmasers two. Yeah. But Gndmasers. ' sorry, was it was Gremlins I'orry Gamm. But this one, he's playing this bad guy who also has a heavy Baltimore accent Yeah it's such a funny choice and he's such a like he's such a a villain who is a total slime ball is not is very articulate and thinks he's very charismatic, but is not but is just a very off putting slez ball. and he's just so fun to watch in it and he's so such a horrible person in it. He's also a great villain, I think, because you immediately like see this guy and hear him talking, like this guy's an idiot. But like the problem is like you underestimate him at your peril. like he's like he's not like a genius criminal or anything, but he's like a lot whileier than this guy's prepared to deal with the lead So it causes some more trouble. And yeah, this is like John Frankenheimer directed this right? John Frankenheimer directed it. it's Lard Linger Yeah, John Frankenstein directed. So John Fr It's based Em L E and it's a Golden Globus movie and apparently or cananon films. Apparently they hadn made they had adapted this Elmar Leonard movie, the Elmar Leonard book already into a movie called The Ambassador, which I have not seen. and they changed it so much that John Frankenheimer read the book and was like, I want to make a movie of this book. And they're like, we did already. He's like, Well, let me do it again. and I'll just be I'll make it slightly more like the book And it's so in the spech of the story about a rich guy who's blackmailed by a bunch of pornraphers. and it's just the movie keeps like twisting in ways that are not necessarily like surprise shock twists, but are ways where I'm like, that's not exactly the way I thought this story was going to go. and the bad guys in are just really John Glover's performance is so fun. He's such a terrible person. He's such aly terrible person it'sy. It's not one to watch with your parents, you know, it's just like it's you don't know my parents. It's true. But watching this Right around the time I was watching Weathering Heights, I was like, I wish Wathering Heights had more of this kind of like for lack of better word, sleze factor, you know, And so and John Glover's performance, I think the choice for him to do it with this accent makes everything his character says that much more fun. And so I'm just if there is ever a movie, the same way that What's his face? The Superman who had the mustache and they had to blot out his must. Hry C Hry Henry that Henry Cavill's mustache in the Mission Impossible movie is a character choice that like helps make that movie. I feel like John Glover's accent in this movie helps make this movie into something a little better. So its just but it's a real slimy movie. So I would recommend that if you want It taste on a heaping dose of sleas U It's fifty two pickup. Who does it? So yeah, that's it for this episode. Before we go, we should thank our producer, Alex Smith Check out his work under the name Howl Daoty, if you like podcast And I think you do if you're listening to this one and music, Twitch stream. he does them all Thank you to our network, Maximum Fun. If you go over to maximumfun dot orgot there are a lot of great shows in the network. Check out at least one other one, Why don't you seeee if you like it U But for the flop house, which is this podcast, Y, I have been Dan McCoy. I've been Stuart Wellington. And I'm Elliot Kalen Wh, Let's go weather some heights guys. Yeah We' coing here on the local. Oh wow, you're doing a cool little vern is what's not's Job'sob but otherwise notound like him at all. C cartoon villain. Is this closer to maybe, is it like the MC in cabaret No It sounds more like the bad guy from Reacher or Jack Reacher, I guess. 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