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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.re let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio . He just got inducted into the Texas Radio Hall of Fame a couple years ago. NFL draft analyst, NFL. dot com Dad was a coach in the league, selection committee member for the uh best college offensive line unit. Uh very respected, very popular radio host in Houston. I've been using him for years. I think his draft preview. I mean I I I'm on it every day this point forward. Lanceerline is joining us and he is joining us live. Okay, so the big story today, uh last August, I had a source tell me that was close to Howie Roseman, Hertz was not loved. I didn't know why necessarily that he could be a little tough to coach. And then there was a reporter that went on the Seth Meyer, not Seth Myers show, um, Seth Joyner show, and came out and said he pats the ball, he pats the ball, coach it frustrates the hell out of the coaches. You remember last year off a bye or the year before they asked him to throw less, and all of a sudden Jeremy Fowler comes out today and it is a dozen sources and it's like, he's not well liked, he's hard to coach. Your take on a team that makes radical moves with quarterbacks and coaches, even if they've been to Super Bowls, what was your first take as somebody close to the league on the Jalen Hurts story and maybe the draft? Yeah, you know, the first time I heard that information was last year before the draft just kind of, you know, just kind of popped up on a conversation I had had with uh with the league source , and I was pretty shocked to hear it. I hadn't heard anything about that previously, and I it hasn't left my mind since then, Colin. When you hear something like that, it kind of impacts when I watch games. I watch, you know, his body language on the sideline, how he inter acts with teammates. And we know he has issues with AJ Brown or AJ Brown has issues with him, I should say. You know, I I don't think where there's smoke there's usually fire with these kind of things and and I certainly think Jeremy Fowler's very respec ted. Yeah. The you know, the the Ty Simpson stuff is interesting. I I said I think he's going to get drafted in the fifteen to twenty-five space. I think he's a better than other guys in recent years who have gone there, not Lamar Jackson, obviously. But he's he's better than a lot of guys that have been drafted there . Jets maybe . Are you a believer in Ty Simpson? Let's start with that. Oh man, it's nuanced. Um historically, one year starters just don't cut it. I mean, because you can't really learn on the fly in the NFL. It's very difficult. Yeah. Because most of the teams who draft you, you know, the fan base and the media will start to turn on you after a couple of years. We're already seeing it with J. J. McCarthy who didn't have you know a rookie season. He didn't have a rookie season and didn't start much in college football. I think with Ty Simpson you, need to have an organization that has a plan in place, someone who's already in place, and then you bring him along more slowly. And you know, frankly, you know, the Jets could be that team because they do have a little bit of a runway. How about we go back to the Eagles? How about the Eagles being a potential team in the second round? If if they're not happy with Jalen, Jalen's under contract until twenty twenty eight. Yeah. Ty Simpson could sit there for two years and learn under Jalen. There's not all that pressure for the first couple of years. He get the Aaron Rodgers treatment. Wouldn't that be an interesting selection there? I wouldn't love him in the first round, though, really for many teams because of the issues I talked about. Once you draft a quarterback in the first round, the st they turn the sand or they turn the you know the the they turn the the uh hourglass over on your on your job if you're a head coach. And if you don't get them developed within the first couple of years you usually Okay. I like Fernando Mendoza more than my sources, and I trust my sources. He's having his pro day today. The video 's in. Lance, he looks po10unds heavier than he than he played under. He looks, here's the video. He that looks like a franchise quarterback. He is he looks big. Yeah. Shoulders. I mean, you know I love trunky guys. I'm sorry, but when I watch this video tape, that looks like two forty-five , six four and a half. I'm sorry. I mean, that ball comes out, Lance. It is he is such an easy like a Justin Herbert thrower. Okay, I I think he's an A pros pect. I'm an A . You know, people are like, you know, next year he could be number four. I think he's I like the humility, the gratitude. Where are you on him? I'm with you. I'm with you. And I I trust I trust you, Colin. I trust you. I I look, I think what you see is what you get with uh Fernando Mendoza. There's no real errors. I hear people talk about he's kind of corny, he's this or that. I like guys who throw touchdowns and don't throw interceptions and who throw with accuracy and who are six foot five, two hundred and thirty six plus pounds. That's just me. So I don't you can keep your corny this, that, and you can keep your cool quarterbacks. I'll keep guys who throw touchdowns and and don't give it away in the in the red zone. It was thirty nine touchdowns, no interceptions in the red zone over the last two years. I mean and one of those years was a cow. That's pretty impressive. You know, he throws with great accuracy. He throws with great placement. I think he's got a lot of poise and confidence. A touchdown you just saw him throw right there. He took punishment because he had to deliver it and put it in the only place that Omar Cooper could rise and get it. I think he checks a lot of boxes, Colin. He's not the most mobile outside of the pocket. You do have to really you know put a priority on protecting him as a passer. Yeah.. Okay Um Cowboys, you have them in your mock draft. We can put it up if you want. You have them taking Sonny Styles at Ohio State. Um, I want them to go defense both sides of the ball in the first round. Tell me why you think Sonny Styles works there. I think he works there easily because he's the best inside linebacker in the draft. The question will be will he far fall there? If he gets past five and six it could be a little bit of a fall for sunny or it could be a move up for a team to come get sunny styles but he works great does some of the same things Leighton Vander Esch did when he was there with the Cowboys only you know this is a more explosive version of inside linebacker with Sonny Styles, who's a former safety, who can come up, rattle your cage, he can rush, he can cover, um, and he's got tremendous sideline to sideline range. He'd be a great pickup for Dallas, even if they had to trade up to get him. And I'm with you in the second pick of the first round, you gotta say you got to stay defense. I mean you got to go with the either a safety or a corner, probably a corner. Dallas must attack defense. And and I would make now the good thing is here, Colin, it's a really good year for linebackers. Unusually good year for linebackers. So if you don't get one in the first round, the second round should offer your offer one up for you. Okay, I this is a mystery to me. And this is not a criticism , but I had Ryan Day on yesterday. I thought a year ago, I said, I think Caleb Downs is my is the best player in college football. I'm seeing him 16th in your draft. Every mock draft has him twelve, thir teen . What happened? Well what I thought he was this I thought he and Jeremiah Smith last year. I'm like, I think I'd make him one and two and Smith's a freshman. What why is Dallas? You know, I think it's really it's really a matter of how are you going to use him, Colin. The way that they used him was kind of an overhang nickel where he played there in the slot, which is a you know, the star position, which is a really big deal. Mink of Fitzpatrick played there. Uh Brian Branch played there some at Alabama. So I mean it's a really important position. The question is, can he translate if he moves back, if he plays on the back end a little bit? How are you going to use him? Is he going to be like, you know, are you going to use him like Ohio State? Used him around the line of scrimmage as an add-on defender against the run. How does he, you know, what kind of athlete is he? How fast is he? He's not the biggest guy. He's got good size, but he's not very long. His speed, I think, you know, he didn't run. I think most people believe he's probably in the four, five, four range, which is fine. I don't have a problem with that at all. But I think one of the reasons he gets kind of hemmed up a little bit is how are you going to use him? And you know, when when I talked to NFL sources and kind of what I saw on tape is he's a really tough, impactful player, but I do question if he has enough impact to be a top ten type of uh pick in the NFL draft. So I would um if I was the Giants, I think they have multiple needs. I like Carnell Tate. I'd move down if I could. They have a right tackle need, a weapon need, a tight end need, a corner need. I think now it may be very hard to trade down because we don't have a lot of quarterbacks. I would trade down if I was the Giants. I'm not a big fan of trading up. I've said before, Lance, you've probably heard this rant a thousand times. I've said uh I would trade down every draft ever unless I needed a quarterback and there was a great one. You know, Bears. Okay, go get Caleb. Um Dolphins are fascinating. They got a couple first, a second, four thirds , and I'm like, they need everything. But with Malik Willis, they need a weapon. Jalen Waddle's gone. I could see Miami, I think they're interesting. I could see them saying here we',re gonna give up three and a five. We've got we've got firsts here, we've got multiple thirds, and go and getting the best right tackle phono out of Utah. If Jeremiah Love is open at seven, Carnell Tate's available at eight. I think Miami's my team that could say, guys, we got a lot of pick here. We we need four or five really exceptional players. Tackle, receiver. They don't need a back. They don't need a quarterback. Am I efficient on the Dolphins? If I said to you, give me a team that you think could move up, has the capital the need, is there one for you? Well, I think the Jets at sixteen could move up. Um, you know, Aaron Glenn needs to win now. I think Darren Mouji, the GM, has a little bit more freedom. I think they'll be a little bit more patient with him. They have a ton of capital, draft capital as well. You make an interesting point with Miami because I think they're a long way away. I don't think they're in a rush right now to you know try to make it happen but they have so much draft capital and you do have a massive need at wide receiver. Yeah I could see them tweaking the draft a little bit like you talked about. You know the Giants are an interesting trade back team because they only have two picks in the first three rounds. And so that's one of the reasons I gave them Carnell Tate there. Because if you don't get him there, if you don't get a wide receiver there to go with Jackson Darton with Malik Neighbors, I'm not sure there's going to be one available that you like the next time you pick. So yeah, they are a trade back. They are a potential trade back team. And frankly, they're one of the tougher teams. Um, I think the Titans at four, the Giants at five, the Dolphins at eleven, those are some tough teams to try to figure out what they're gonna do right now. All right. Um, let me look at this real quick. Okay, finally . Um , you're in Houston. I like CJ Stroud. I like him a lot. But um I mean he got his haircut after the season. It was almost like he wanted to wash the whole season away. I saw a picture of him. I'm like, he just he went with the appearance change. I'm like Is he regressing? Is it coaching? Is it lack of a run game? If Woody Marks didn't felt like he didn't have run support. What's going on with CJ Stroud is huge. I've heard Rams rumors i i is are they still all in on siege? I think he throws a beautiful ball, but man, he had some bad picks. Man, the turnovers are concerning. What is going on with him? I think it's a loss of confidence really. I it it manifests itself in the footwork not always being where it needs to be, which which, you know, threw off some of his his accuracy outside the numbers. And this is over the last two years. It was not just last year. It just hasn't been the same since his his his fr his rookie season. I think a couple of things to keep an eye on. They changed quarterback coach. We'll see. Now so you know who's not in the building now that was in the building in twenty twenty three and is now in Chicago is Case Keenum. And Case Keenum is a phenomenal set of second eyes. And there's and it's not a surprise that the Bears re up Case Keenum because he's basically like another quarterback in that room. He's like another quarterback coach. And I think C J really misses having a guy like that uh in in his ear, someone who is a second set of eyes on the field, uh to to give him some confidence and really give him a different feel from a quarterback standpoint about what the defense is doing. Nick Cassara's done a great job. They've they've added offensive linemen. There's no excuses there. They've added David Montgomery to go with Woody Marks. Yeah. I like that move a lot. I like that move. Yeah. I do too. I I'm a big David Montgomery fan. Tank Dell is back. Jaden Higgins in year two. Nico Collins is a very good wide receiver. There's really no excuses. They're offense coordinators in year two and CJ, this is year four. If you don't play well, it's an official regression for CJ Stroud. This is a monster year for him. He will get his fifth year option. That's going to happen. But the extension can't happen, Colin, until you see the same quarterback or a better version that you saw when he was a rookie. Okay, Lance Erline, watch this stuff. NFL dot com. You're a busy guy. Congrats. I know I'm late on this on the Texas Radio Hall of Fame. All your success, my man. You you do great work. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thanks, Colin. Yeah. He I his draft previews were great. He gave no bull just gets right to it. I thought was interesting. Philadelphia. Ty Simpson. I mean, think about it. What what are their needs? Ian me what what what is f I mean their corners are the best in the game? They've got receivers, tight ends, offensive tackles, Saquon Barkley. What do the Philadelphia Eagles need? Answer nothing. More efficiency at quarterback. I mean, there are very few teams I look at. I mean, Rams, they don't really have after they got Trent McDuffie at corner, you're like, they don't have a they don't have big needs. Uh even Seattle, as good as they are, you're like I kind of wish they had a number two receiver. You know what I mean? 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The March tournament brings volatility, upsets, and momentum shifts. With weeble predictions you can trade strategic positions on college basketball outcomes. React to matchups and assess probabilities as the tournament unfolds. Whether your bracket is busted or you're on the way to the top of your leaderboard, bring your strategy to your trades in real time. Get started by downloading the Webull app today or visiting Web ull.com. Event contract trading is speculative and may not be suitable for all investors. Customers should carefully consider the associated risk before investing. Visit Webull.com slash disclosures. I don't know. This guy. Oh boy. All right. So we're thirteen months removed from Jalen Hurts winning Super Bowl MVP, and now we're trying to sh uh trying to ship him out of town or draft his re placement. Well done. Set a new record, Coward. Hey. When you have standards, rest on your laurels. Joe Burrow has made when was the last time Burrow made the playoffs? Okay. That's right. Yeah, but look at his owner. Oh yeah. Now we're playing the owner. J Mac with an I love it. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herdline news. This is just so damn fun. Um all right, let's go to the NFL draft. 22 days away. Fernando Mendoza. Look at his pro day. He look he's looking juiced up. He was working out with me. Look at us. Big guys who like to get jacked. He's swole. Dude, tackle guy. Look at the ball. You can almost see a chemtrail when it comes out of his hand. Honest to God, it looks like Boeing's latest plane. It flies out of his hand. I can see passengers on that jet. I mean, goodness gracious. Now here's the problem. Clint Kubiak opened his mouth and he's talking about whether or not Mendoza's gonna start right away. I don't like this at all. Here we go. Oh hear this. In a perfect world that he's he's watching a mature adult, you know, go and he's run an offense and run the team. Um, but you know, you just you know the situation is you might have that player, you might not, you might you might not have that veteran to show him the way so he might come in and have to play immediately. But you'd rather you'd rather him learn well before he gets in the game. You don't always get the pick. It just doesn't work out the exact way you want it to, but um at the end of the day you want to make sure that you're bringing in an individual, drafting a guy that you know is mature enough uh to handle handle some adversity, whether it's him starting the first game or him starting first game year two . What what bothers you? What are we doing? What I mean, it's not like he's a young guy who got one year of starting like Ty Simpson. How many years has he started in college? He started Cal, started Ind iana. He yak used the word mature. I mean, you could argue Mendoza's the most mature quarterback to enter the league in years. Here's my take on Mendo za. They're gonna draft him. He's gonna go to camp. And it's gonna be like Andrew Luck. They're gonna go, holy crap. Maybe he is better than we thought, and we liked him. I think he's gonna blow people away. Yeah. What do they compare them to? Geno Smith? Who was the other guy, the guy from Purdue who was there for a minute who was terrible? I mean, listen, this whole like Patrick Mahomes sat, Aaron Rodgers sat, they sat behind quarterbacks who were studs. Alex Smith was the number one pick. Went to the playoffs. Brett Favre needs no introduction. Like this is not that. The Raiders need to start him from the jump. I don't even like that stat we put up. Quarterback, rookie quarterbacks starting or one and ten. Well yeah, because they're going to crack teams. Right? Like most of those are rookie quarterbacks going to awful teams who are drafting high. Mendoza is is just built different. I I I just don't like this at all, man. All right. J Mac J Mac with the news. Oh, you're not done yet. My bad. My bad. And thanks for talking about it. We can wrap it up. I mean, my lunch did just arrive. My bad. You have another one. My bad. We actually got two more. Oh, we are talking about the Cleveland Browns. Do you want to talk about them or not? Yeah, of course. We can do Browns action if you want. I know it's not very exciting. Um, but Todd Munken is talking about his quarterback room, and it sounds like Dylan Gabriel, he he's not doing the things you need to do to get back into position to start. Here he is Um to give ourselves a chance to at least evaluate who we have on the roster, whoever that might be, as we go through the offseason. Well it's too early to really evaluate him other than it's been great that he's been in the building. It's it's refreshing to see a player that recognizes where he's at and where he wants to get to. And Gabriel hasn't been in the go player. As far as I know he has not I have not seen Gilman yet. Deshaun was in early when I got the job, so I got a chance to sit down with him. Mmm, that doesn't sound great. Something's going on there. Dylan Gabriel, what is he not showing up? I doesn't seem like him. Maybe they're trading him? That's interesting. Yeah. I I don't know. I mean listen, and then you got the owner coming out saying yeah, Deshaun Watson. Well my gosh, he has a decent chance to be the starter. I will say that the owner's talking less. Stefansky like Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel likes Stefansky. Atlanta, perhaps? Third stringer. We don't know if Penix is healthy. Sorry. Just collect . They need all the left-handed quarterbacks in Atlanta, basically. Final story, Colin. Let's go to Steph Curry. He's been out since January thirtieth with a right knee injury. And Steve Kirk keeps thinking that he's gonna return soon. Apparently Curry had his first full practice yesterday, and he may show up Sunday against the Rockets. Uh, Warriors are tenth in the West. They will face almost certainly Portland in the play-in game. St the league without Steph Curry just I mean, it's not as amazing. Luckily, Luke has been on fire. Wembenyama is awesome, but I miss Steph Curry. You know, every night this guy's just cooking everybody. A real great ambassador for the league. No, it really when you when you think about Steph or Giannis , when you think about these guys, it d doesn't it make LeBron seem more amazing. Like Steph is beat up this year. He's had injuries and he's younger than LeBron. And Giannis has had multiple injuries. He's much younger than LeBron. And it it just it is remarkable to think about LeBron James . He just he had about a two-year stretch in LA where he was getting dinged up. Just it was about it felt like a couple years, year and a half. He was kind of getting dinged up. When I watch all these older NBA players, I mean obviously LeBron does not have the jet fuel, he's not gonna play forty-two minutes a night back to back like that. But it just it it goes and it's a very young league now. I mean go go to the team. Thunder's young, Spurs young. Um even Jokic this year got hurt. Like it's just it's it's just incredible that LeBron never gets banged up. To me, it's remarkable. Kevin Durant gets banged up. Kawhi Leonard gets banged up. Damian Lillard got old very fast . Somehow LeBron just stays . LeBron think about this. This number's crazy. Del Curry's on the show tomorrow. Um, LeBron has played 2 92 playoff games in his career. So he has played now. Think about this: three and a half seasons of playoff games. And those games you play more minutes, you guard better players, are much more intense . I mean I wait. Means he's working on like season 25 right now. When you add the playoff game. That's absurd. That's just crazy. I mean, that's why when they don't play Wemby all the minutes, I think the Spurs are smart. It's not about Wemby's minutes. It's about his impact. And you're saying I mean anybody that's seven four, we have a history in the NBA of like big guys getting banged up, clotting. Like it's stuff you have to worry about. So I don't care what what Wemby pla Wemby averaged twenty eight minutes a game, but when he's on the floor they're unstoppable, I I don't have a problem. I mean obviously if you got to the finals or the Western Conference Finals, you're gonna push him physically as much as you can. But I mean I I just I just every time I hear about an old guy getting hurt or a young guy getting hurt, I'm like, LeBron just is just it's just Iron Man. It's incredible . Are you done now? Let's see here. Uh yeah, yeah, we're good. Yeah. I I just I don't know why I jumped the gun off. The herd lie news. You know, i I just get very frenetic on this show. I got things to talk about. Just scooting guys out of the way. I'm not don't even need my lead blocker. Just let me get the hole and I'll burst right through it. Um it was the Fernando Mendoza Pro Day threw me off. I'm so giddy. I can't even see straight. This may be the best I've ever seen a quarterback look in shorts and a T shirt . It's like a superhero . Just I mean, I'm sorry, man. That that is what a franchise quarterback looks like. Sorry for the radio audience. I apologize . Just I mean, just big effortless , six four and a half, two forty, two forty-five, trunky , and Chicago it's the hurt . Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey herd, sports and steak a perfect combo. True Nature Meets is offering an incredible deal. They're precooked New York strip, insanely tender, juicy, rich, beefy flavor that melts in every bite, ready in just four minutes in a skillet. 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Visit Weebull.com slash disclos ures. All right, big drama today was Jeremy Fowlery. SBN came out, twelve sources on uh things are not great in Philadelphia. Uh they have been running through coordinators. We've we've talked about this ad nauseum for years, is that it's a very offensive coordinator dependent franchise is that when Nick Seriani called the plays, it was a mess. He gave him to Shane Steichen, it was good. Steichen leaves, it's a mess. Hire a new coordinator, Kellen Moore, it works. He leaves, it's a mess. So, you know, Mahomes , hurts , you know, certain guys, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, aren't as coordinator dependent. Jalen Hurts is, and the story today is he's hard to coach and he's frustrating people in the building. And you know, Philadelphia is insanely aggressive with acquisitions, trades, moving off a coach that wins a Super Bowl against Belichick or a quarterback who did. Here is Nick Wright earlier on the drama, the story with Jalen Hurts in Philly . One of the reasons AJ Brown in consecutive seasons could light that locker room on fire and remain popular amongst his teammates is because I think guys were like, well, somebody's gotta say it. I'm glad AJ will take the hit for us. You can never ask question, can you win with Jalen Hurts? They did win, and they at one point won like 21 out of his 22 starts. You need a specific type of team to have peak success with Jalen . He had that. I don't know that they have it anymore. And in what's really interesting, I mean, it's almost a perfect comp with Russell Wilson. Russell had the transfer in college . Neither went first round because of size, both very productive in college . Um both very good at the podium, never get in trouble. Say the right stuff. Uh, both struggle sitting in the pocket because of size, both very elusive, both have great success early in their career in their prime , get a lot of credit for it. Both can be a little