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I think there's four guys that are relatively close. I think Luka and Jokic have both had great seasons. I just think there's a clear line of demarcation there between them and the top two guys. To me, I'd still have Shea at number one for now. I just think he's got a great case to potentially be considered the best player in the world, the best player on the best team in the world. And there's clear value stuff with Shea. The offense is 10 and a half points better per 100 possessions when he's on versus off. He's hit 52 clutch shots, Colin. He hit three more last night against the Pistons, three for three. You get a close game with OKC. It's just like good luck. Shea's gonna hit every single shot he takes down the stretch. Let's see if you can win. So I think he's got the MVP for right now. But if the Spurs can pass OKC in the standings, which is an absolute possibility, OKC's got some tough games on the schedule. They play the Lakers twice, and you know the Lakers are playing really well. Luca would love to make his late MVP push. I've actually joked, I don't think Luca can win MVP, but I think he can win it for Wemby by knocking Shea down a peg. They've got a game with the Suns on the schedule. So the OKC's not in control of that one seed left. And that yeah, and that kind of brings us to this Spurs case. It's fascinating because there's a lot of people that are pointing to his minutes totals. He hasn't played a ton. Right. But Colin, in the minutes that he's been on the floor, he has quite possibly been the most impactful per minute player we've ever seen. The Spurs are plus 6 4 5 when he's on the floor this season and minus 27 when he's off. Incredible. He's he's like a hundredth in the league in total minutes played. They're negative with him off, and yet they're threatening for the number one overall seed because of how dominant he's been when he's on the floor. Now, everybody knows how good he is defensively. That's been talked to death. But I think people are a little paralyzed by his counting stats on the offensive end of the floor. He averages twenty-four and a half points per game on offense, three assists per game. That pales in comparison to the scoring volume you're seeing from Shea and Luca and the assist numbers you see from Jokic, right? But the thing that I always point back to is the Spurs as a team, despite being surrounded by a bunch of young , flawed guards, not a single other player that anybody would consider to be a top twenty-five player in the NBA other than Wemby, they are an elite offense when he's on the floor. And the specific way you see this manifest is they generate a ton of great threes and they knock them down at a great percentage. In fact, the Spurs generate the most corner threes ever in the history of the NBA. The reason why is when Wemby rolls to the rim, he's so fast and he is such a big easy target to hit with those lob passes that teams have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink out of him right uh at him when he's rolling to the basket. Specifically, they're constantly pulling off the corners to do what they call tagging, which is a basically throw bodies in front of Wemby so that he can't roll to the basket. And then they just kick it to the corner and they get wide open three after wide open three after wide open three. It actually reminds me a lot of Steph in the sense that people think Steph is declining. And don't get me wrong, he's not putting up the individual scoring numbers that he used to. But the Warriors' offense is still scoring at an extremely high rate when he's on the floor because when Steph runs around in circles, he draws so much attention off ball that guys get layups and dunks. So for the Spurs, it's a little different because it's more at the three-point line. But Wemby's overall offensive impact is far greater than just his points per game numbers or how many assists per game he averages. people know you initially as the Lakers guy, and I've said before is that I think offensively in the half court, they're gifted. They're beautiful. They're aesthetically pleasing. The passing, the shot creation. Um they don't have a lot of catch and shoot guys, which they need, but they have the guys that need the ball in their hand and they're great finishers. Um, I don't think that plays as well in the playoffs, but Houston doesn't have a pure point. I I I made this argument. Many of Luca's biggest games are against teams that don't have a dominant score that he would have to stop. Houston, amend Thompson's not a great offensive player. The Pistons, Detroit without Kate Cunningham, Houston. But SGA and uh Stefan Castle, Jamal Murray. The four teams in the West that are of Laker quality all have a guy that Luca would have to defend. And my guess is those coaches would hunt Luca . So I think the Lakers are deceptive . I think they are so hard to defend in the regular season. But I think actually they've got some defensive liabilities that are easy to hunt in the post season . Am I being too cynical and too negative LA ? No, I think the things that you're explaining are why they're not on the same level as San Antonio or OKC. I think that's fair. I've always talked about this on my show. Like your big picture defensive metrics don't matter at all when you get to the postseason. It suddenly becomes can you guard that team? Not can you guard a 104 defensive rating over a 20-game span because there's a lot of noise in there. Bad teams, guys miss threes. There's a lot of different things that can go wrong there. What happened in the postseason last year when they ran into Minnesota was like they couldn't guard Ant, they couldn't guard Julius. The couldyn't guard Nas. So they had to throw multiple bodies at them and they conceded threes to a Minnesota team that's very good at shooting threes and they made 'em. Or they started trapping Ant at the end of the series. Then what happened? Rigo Bear had like the best game of his life because he was just dunking every single miss underneath the basket. So like there's no doubt that the Lakers are going to have to concede something in the postseason. They don't have the personnel to just contain everything. So my guess is they'll concede a lot of threes to role players and they're gonna have to live with the results there. That said, like I don't think we can possibly overstate how good they've been post-all-star break. When LeBron, Austin, and Luca are on the floor. Post all star three hundred and seventy three minutes, which is a very large sample. They're out scoring teams by seventeen points per one hundred possessions. Do you remember earlier when I said Wemby was having the greatest per minute impact that we've seen in forever? It's plus 17 per 100 possessions. So the Lakers big three has been as dominant as the numbers as I've been talking about with Wemby. That's how good they've been. So like what that where that lands for me is they're clearly a puncher's chance threat. They are capable of beating anybody. Because if those three guys are all clicking on offense and your role players happen to miss threes, you're just gonna lose to this Lakers team. So they're a threat against anybody, but the sustainability of their success on a game in, game out basis in the postseason, I think puts them a clear level below San Antonio and OKC. To me, they're like tied with Denver as like the third best team in the Western Conference. So I want to go to college basketball is that um John Shire's obviously a very good recruiter, smart guy, his schemes are respected. But I do think when you're at Duke, the one downside to Duke is that you're able to land three to four five-star guys in a class . Right? And what happens is you're really young. And I thought against UConn , uh, whereas Hurley had older players, and sometimes when you have older players, you just Phil Jackson, you know, let guys play through the chaos. Just let them go, which is easy if you've got a Steph or an older Chris Paul or a Connecticut team or, Michigan's got older players. But when you got five-star 18-year-olds and it's chaotic, it's like call timeout. I thought Shire should have called a timeout . I thought, I thought this was a bit of underwhelming coaching. How did you see it? So you know it's so funny, Colin. That whole final sequence was so chaotic that I think you could play the results in any direction in the sense that like if Aiden Boozer gets that pass off, Duke wins, right? Uh at one point, it looked it looked like Dan Hurley was trying to call a timeout when his team got the steal at one point in the sideline. If you look, he points over to the ref, and it looks like he was trying to call timeout. Like that could have blown the game winner. There's a bunch of different ways that that position possession could have gone in any direction. So like it's one of those things where, yeah, I'd probably call a timeout if I saw a player panicking, but they had an advantage. There were two players open up the floor. I just it it could have gone either way. I feel like we're playing the results a little bit. The one thing that I'll say about the young talent piece, because I've been thinking a lot about this with respect to NIL , Arizona's got three freshmen that are great that are carrying the team through this tournament. And, you know, you know, missions guys got some older players, but they also have some younger players. There's a certain amount of like you can have a lot of talent, but you still have to build a basketball team. And one of the reasons why I think Arizona is so good. We think about their three bigs and and their, you know, Braden Burries, this guy who's going to be a lottery pick. But it's also they've got great guards, great bigs, and wings that can shoot and defend. Like ultimately, they're a full, complete basketball team. I remember when I watched Duke in that first round game, the first thing I saw right away against the 16 seed is I'm like, okay, Cambooz er's really good, but he's not super, super dominant. His brother might be their best guard. He looked like the one of the best players in the game. And SAR can defend a little bit. And then from there, it didn't seem likeed they were very talented. And ultimately Duke looked like a clear level below Michigan and Arizona to me from the start of this tournament. And so you can have the NIL money like Arkansas, great example. They had so much talent. The most expensive NIL roster in the country, right? But you watch them play and it's like, oh, they're really thin and they can't guard and they can't handle big burly front lines. So like it doesn't matter what you build in terms of talent. You still ultimately to win basketball games have to build a complete basketball team. Finally, AJ DeBonsa now, it feels like the kind of um because of Darren Peterson's injuries and you know the concerns about durability and stuff. So the BYU star looks like the number one player . For somebody that loves the NBA and doesn't watch a ton of college basketball and maybe is only seen in bits and pieces, you watch both, but you also uh you follow the draft very closely. It's a stacked draft. Who is his comp? Who would he remind an NBA fan of the BYU star So the big difference everybody sees DeBonsa and they think big wiry score. And that's going to put you in the frame of mind of like most recently guys like Brandon Miller or like Kevin Durant. You think like slender, lots of pull-up jump shots. And don't get me wrong, like Devonta has that in his game. Like there's a version of him that's gonna be a guy who could shoot 40% from three and take all sorts of off-the-dribble jump sh ots and score from the mid range and do all of that. The big difference between DeBonsa and those guys and why I'm so excited about him is he is one of the most ferocious attackers of the basketball that I've ever seen for a player of his height. This is a guy that is always playing downhill, always playing off of two feet. His counter moves are always towards the basket. He was getting to the rim in congested college spacing seven times a game this year and very efficient when he got there. This is not like you watch the Kevin Durant Brandon Miller archetype, they weren't getting to the rim like this. That's the big difference. And so when you talk about those slender scoring forwards, they tend to be susceptible to variants. Like, are they making their shots tonight? Are they getting pushed around tonight? Right. DeBonsa's gonna have such a higher floor because he's such a relentless attacker of the basket. So like to me, he's a clear number one overall pick. Peterson, obviously, there's the upside. If his off-the-dribble creation and his athleticism were a little underplayed this year because of his injuries, we'll see. You could argue he has a higher ceiling potentially as like this evolution Jason Temp, who's tonight uh at the volume, as always, buddy, good talking to you. See you next time, Colin. You bet. The um, you know, by the way, J Mac, I didn't Jaden Ivey was um it kind of broke yesterday. I had my take. I haven't asked yours. This would usually, you know, a lot of times With you. Like, uh listen, we live in a society right now where you just can't say whatever the hell you want. You just can't. You're putting yourself at risk, your family, and of getting canceled by one side or the other. You can believe whatever you want, but announcing it to the world, do you really need to do that? And all the stuff that was going on with him, he's done a lot of videos over the last three days, Colin. Yeah, a lot of you watched them. Yeah. He obviously went through some stuff in his childhood that he like was unloading. It was almost like a therapy session. And I I I just hope if if if I'm going down one of those rabbit holes and popping off on social media, you'll call me up and be like, Hey dude, just put down the phone. Get off the device. You don't need this. One of my takes was where's his best friend? Like best friend, agent, manager, mom, dad, sibling, like anyone. Like seriously. No, I I got a hold of I got a hold of somebody from Purdue, and I got a hold of somebody in the NBA who I trust, and I just said I looked at some videos online and I'm like, he's had some injuries, been a little underwhelming, and and what I heard from two different sources who would know who I trust was you know, at Purdue, he was a guy that sometimes he was really into the gym and he was really intense, but he didn't always connect with a lot of people. Um and and and I mean Detroit drafted him as a top five pick. A top five pick and and bailed after a couple years. And Detroit is just starved for scores and guard play. And that was the first sign where it's like, oh, wait a minute. Detroit? I mean, Detroit wanted it to work. Yeah. Desperately. They wanted to find somebody to play with Cade Cunningham. They needed another athletic score. Desperate for that. And they moved off. Okay, that that you don't move off in a couple of years lottery picks. Who are athletic? 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We may not be as good in gold as previous United States men's national teams. But we, you know, historically, this is one of the only times in my life, maybe the only time, I think we have enough offensive minded, offensively skilled players that we can go toe to toe with almost any country. But, you know, if we lose and we don't play well, well, it's always the coach. And it's not always the coach. This is the first team that team USA that I remember where I think we can play an aggressive style against maybe all but two or three teams in the world. Like and that's not been the case. We had to be more like Italy, which is you win one nothing, you know, you can attack in spurts, but by and large you play the Argentinas, Englands, Germanies, Netherlands. Uh y you you have to play kind of a defensive style to not get burned. Uh keep it close late and then maybe get a set piece and win. But it it is um the Polisic dynamics fascinating because you know he is now a star in his own right playing overseas, and there's questions about chemistry and that dynamic. So I think it's a fascinating American team, a skilled and fascinating team. And they're trying to kind of find themselves and it feels like is it too late? Yeah, we'll we'll win the group stage for sure. Uh lock that up. And then we'll see after that how the matchups shake out. I like our chances. Obviously, the Belgium result was was not a good one. Uh Portugal tonight, no Ronaldo. It looks like he's he's nursing an injury. Run Portugal still stacked, of course. Um so uh yeah, I I just like to see a good show ing and and like you said, more offense. Because ultimately against the heavyweights, the Netherlands, you know, those we're gonna need to score goals. We can't play like remember that England game in the last World Cup? Just heavy defense. Uh that that Yeah. J. Mack with the news . No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herdline news. Lakers rolled last night, Collin did not have Luca. They smoked the Washington Wizards. Nobody scored 83 for the Lakers, but uh LeBron had a triple-double. And JJ Reddick afterward decided to talk about Luca, who didn't play anyway because the MVP is all anybody cares about right now . If we continue uh to finish the season uh the way we're we're playing right now uh if he continues to play that way to me he is the MVP, but uh sometimes there's recency bias and sometimes there's uh the bias of uh a certain stretch of the seat you know I think when we started 15 and four you could have made argument that he was the MVP that well he's been the MVP for two of the three segments of the season. But again I've said this all year, you know, our our losses are like ah they're just so loud. Yeah that's true. I mean by the way, um, do you want to guess who has the most 30-point games in the NBA this season? Luca. You want to guess who has the most 40-point games in the NBA this season? Luca. Who's leading the league and score? Okay, I could just do this all day. Um he's trained he's so good. Remember the remember when he he was getting chided as I don't remember who was doing it. I don't know if you recall who was doing it. Uh overweight Luca, he's not dunking, he looks slow. Well like I mean the guy is he's just ridiculous. Yeah, he shoots a lot. He shoots a lot. Hey, big one tonight against the Cavs. Okay? Because the Nuggets are getting hot. They've won six straight. They're right on the Lakers' heels. Yes, the Nuggets are getting hot . So uh Lakers have Cavs and then OKC this week. So big week for the Lakers. I have a feeling you're gonna have some big feelings if they lose. And if they win, well yeah, most nice the calves. I wait for the result before I build my show with the Lakers. Obviously, obviously. All right, let's go to the NFL and uh Minnesota Vikings. Uh um this J J. McCarthy thing is just it's not looking great. It's looking like one of my bigger whiffs of the NFL last year. They go out and get Kyler Murray. And oh by the way, Carson Wentz. Well, Colin, Kevin O'Connell gave like this expansive quote about what's going on in the quarterback room. I'll let you decipher what the heck is KOC's talking about right here ? We've played three guys in one of one year, we've played four in another. Um we just feel like uh having the ability to get uh quality quarterback play throughout uh the circumstances that we do not that we do not control throughout the season gives our team you know pretty historical data that says we get quarterback play to a certain line we win a lot of football games so we to wanted ensure that we're able to do that, but also you know, make it a very very competitive uh room, and that's regardless of who's taking reps uh with what group . Not great. We feel comfortable and confident about the depth of our quarterback room. Yeah, depth. We don't have a guy. We've got options. You know, that that's essentially, what you're hearing there is is we don't we don't have a guy. That's exactly right. You know, there's not many quarterback controversies. I mean, maybe Mendoza versus Cousins, assuming cousins goes to the Raiders. This one's going to be scrutinized. Who's getting the most first team reps? It ain't going to be Carson Wentz. We know that. Although he knows the system because he was there last year. McCarthy was there. And then you've got the outsider Kyler Murray who comes in with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, right? Number one pick, dumped by Arizona, got all the money, zero playoff wins. I don't know. This is gonna be a a really tough test for Minnesota. Who's your early lean um at in it as QB1 for the Vikings. Kyler Murray . And I think Kyler's gonna play really well. And I think at some point they may consider moving off JJ McCarthy, who could get a different environment. I think if JJ scraps and starts, I think it's just too much to overcome in the building. You lose confidence of teammates. So if JJ McCarthy wins it, good for him. Um, but if he doesn't, boy, it's a hard guy to keep around, isn't it? Isn't that kind of a hard guy? Now, Darnold leaves and wins a Super Bowl, Kyler comes in, nobody believed in Darnold. Oh, he's way better. Oh, uh nobody believed in Kyler. Oh, he's way better. It'd be hard to keep JJ McCarthy in the building. I and I think it would be unfair to him. So I think we'll we'll know if in camp Kyler gets the job. I would not be shocked if somebody went out and said, hey, you got Carson Wentz and Kyler. Let's move him. Get a six-round pick for him. I just think it's really hard. Sam Darnold comes in and is amazing. And then you compare J.J to Sam and you're like, wow, it's not close. If Kyler comes in and looks good and I think he will, I think it's unfair to JJ. I think he's got to give him a f a fresh start. I really don't. So Sam Darnold was the quarterback on a fourteen and three Vikings team. They were really good. I mean, can Kyler help get them there? Well 11. McCarthy is younger than Ty Simpson. He's still a kid. Yes. When Sam Darnold went to New York, he was 20 years old. Nobody ever talked about that. Sam wasn't ready for it. So a lot of a lot of JJ McCarthy is he's really, really young. And pro sports is hard. Quarterback is hard. So my take is if it doesn't work in camp. L'ets give the kid a fresh start. Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, we have seen this before. Fresh starts, just just, hey , send him down to Arizona. Say we'll take him on the Jets, you know, with Gino Smith flops. I was never a huge fan, but he can move. I mean, he is a modern quarterback. He his confidence ebbs and flows, but he's got a pretty good arm and he moves pretty well. Jim Harbaugh loves him. Harbaugh, yeah. So it's all too. Yeah. That's tough. Uh that's actually really interesting. Would the Chargers Bilo ? Well, would the Chargers take him as a two? That's a really, really interesting one. I mean he's no threat to Herbert, but in a long season, Jim knows him, Jim likes him, in a pinch. That's that's a really interesting discussion. That's what we do here on the show. Final story, Colin. Let's hey, let's bring it back to the New York football jets. How about him? Big free agent signing Geno Smith. Yep, that was a joke. Um, he he had a decent run in Seattle, struggled at the end, the Raiders was a disaster. Now Aaron Glenn joins forces with Geno Smith. And here's Aaron Glenn's outlook for the Jets in 26 . You always want to bring in competition. Um, and that's gonna happen organically. You know what I'm saying? But like I just feel like like he's the guy that's gonna lead us to the promised land. He's the guy that's gonna touch the ball more than anybody else on offense. And listen, I know he had his struggle and I think a lot of quarterbacks you know they have their struggles if you look at over the last five years the guy has that's thrown the most interception I mean the top guys are up there I like Aaron Glenn's shirt. Did you see it? It was unbuttoned. I try to go with an extra unbutton and sometimes they're like, hey J Mac, can you button it up? I mean look at this. Doesn't this look kinda good? Like I'm going to a seventies nightclub with cowherd back in the day? Yeah. Well it's 2026. You may want to upgrade your uh uh style. Yeah, by the way, uh lead us to the promised land. You know what that means. That's code for the number one pick. Arch Manning. Come on down. Let's have a serious conversation. Aaron Lem is not going to he's not going to be the coach in the twenty seven. Right. He's not going to be. I think that's realistic. Is there a coach out there we should all I think Marcus Freeman. Yeah, baby. Oh, I like where your mind is at. I would take Marcus Freeman in a heartbeat. Well a lot of teams would. So I mean it's it's I don't know if he'd go to the Jets. We got it's something that owner is really just meddling and annoying. Nobody likes him.