The Idiot
Serial Productions & The New York Times
BONUS | M. Gessen on "The Opinions"
In this bonus episode of The Idiot, host M. Gessen engages in a deeply personal conversation with Harrod Clark, an author who grew up with her mother incarcerated. The discussion centers on the complex challenges of maintaining family connections when a relative is imprisoned, particularly when that relative has committed grave harm. Gessen, who explores her own cousin’s imprisonment for a murder-for-hire plot in her series, shares her struggle to maintain empathy for a relative who continues to lie and manipulate. Clark offers a counter-perspective, challenging the carceral logic that suggests removing an offender entirely is the best solution for families. Instead, she argues that isolating incarcerated parents creates a damaging "black hole" for children and that families have a collective responsibility to maintain ties, foster honesty, and provide support. Together, they examine the nature of accountability, the burden of truth, and the difficult, long-term journey of rebuilding relationships with someone who has caused profound hurt. Ultimately, the episode serves as a thoughtful meditation on how to navigate human complexity, forgiveness, and the pursuit of a future that protects the well-being of children.
Updated Jul 8, 2026
About This Episode
On a recent episode of the podcast “The Opinions,” M. Gessen has second thoughts about the future, and Allen’s place in the family. M. talks about their dilemma with their friend Harriet Clark, whose mother, Judy Clark, served 37 years in prison for driving the getaway car in a robbery that led to the deaths of three people. Harriet explains how the adults in her life gave her the opportunity to create and sustain a strong relationship with her mother, and why M. should do the same for Allen’s children.
This episode of “The Opinions” was produced by Jillian Weinberger. It was edited by Kaari Pitkin. Mixing by Carole Sabouraud. Original music by Pat McCusker and Carole Sabouruad. Fact-checking by Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta and Kristina Samulewski. The deputy director of Opinion Shows is Alison Bruzek. The director of Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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