Final Picks and Bring Out Your Dead

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Visit progressive. com Find a rate that works for you with the name your price tool. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates price and coverage match limited by state law The Incomparable Number eight hundred and twenty three , june twenty twenty six . Welcome back, everybody to the Incomparable. I am your host, Jason Snell. This episode is I, think uni,que. It is one of our drafts, one of those silly draft things we do because we like to draft things. It's a great way to talk about a subject in an interesting and entertaining way, hopefully. And this episode is also a crossover with the Lions Towers and Shields podcast which is doing a very special event this summer . And so I'm going to now introduce Shelly Brisbane, who is the host of that podcast who came up with this whole event idea and quite frankly she came up with a draft idea too. Shelley, thanks for being here. What are you doing this summer on Lions Towers and Shields? Hello and thanks for letting me crawl onto the mothership. I didn't have to stow away. I actually got on in a legit way. So Lion Sarah's and Shields is doing the summer of Trek because I realized when I was reading a book about the original series of Star Trek, how many people associ ated with the series had some connection to classic film? Maybe they were an actor, maybe Roddenberry, in fact, famously is influenced by some classic films. But I decided, wouldn't it be fun to do a few episodes where we find a classic film featuring a Star Trek actor and we just mostly talk about the film and so far because we've recorded three of them so far, so far we've pretty much ignored the Star Trek aspect of the actor almost all together. So in talking to Jason , we just thought it would be fun to bring this to the mothership in draft form . And so I am once again forcing mothership participants to talk about old movies with me, which is always my goal. Yeah, so have tinkered with the rules a little bit to make it maybe a little bit easier than it could have otherwise been for people who are bad at old movies like me. Otherwise, it's just me and David and Mickey Man. Right. So let me introduce the rest of our panelists and then I'll explain the rules. First off, Miki Maynard is here. Hello. Hi, greetings from forty five minutes from Detroit. I'm in Ann Arbor and happy to join you. All right. David J. Lore's here, hello. Everyone gets Knight of the Lepus. Okay. That's our Philippines. Great , great . And Cicero Holmes is also here. Hello . Hello, J ason. I am amongst the stars because the skies are orange and blue around my way. Shout out to the Nicks. You know , very midwestern vibe to this podcast today here. We got Indiana , Michigan and Illinois represented . So yeah. And then we got well, Texas is not in the midwest. Not even Tony Sindler would say Texas is in the Midwest. But it's in, it's in the middle, right? There's it's not this is not a coastal . It is in the middle. I was going to say central but it's not all central times. There's some eastern No. Eastern times. Yeah. Michigan's too fast. For your central time . Are you Eastern and Eastern time? Indiana because Indiana's got all the time zones. Right. Like you've got Gary and No, we're not doing that Let me tell you the rules . First is no more Indiana Time Zone talk. Next rule . Okay, we are going to draft movie roles played by Star Trek actors. That means that if an actor's previous role gets picked, but there's another role by that actor, you could pick that role. It's fine. You can double dip on an act or if they have an amazing back catalog . The pics should predate the actors appearing on Star Trek. We are going to allow and this is the part where it's a little bit easier. We're going to allow actors in the original series or the next generation . So there's a little bit more time horizon here , but only those two series . Any Star Trek regular cast member or notable guest star is eligible . Notable is in the eye of the beholder. We may boo you if you choose somebody who like was a redshirt or something, but we probably won't. The main draft picks must be film rolls. We're going to try to do three or four round s . After we get to round three, if you want to throw in a TV appearance, you can do it in the third round, let's say or the fourth, if we do it then, you can have one. I'll give you one TV appearance if you really want to single out a TV appearance but it's primarily about films. And then in the Bring Out Your Dead Round, anything goes films, notable TV appearances, pre or post trek, night of the Lepus, it's in there all of soccer, whatever . Those are all available for you. And thanks to random dot org I have randomly selected the draft order for the Star Trek movie crossover roles draft. And it is as follows. It'll be Cicero, followed by David, followed by Mickey. Then Shelley as a visiting host will go next to last, and I as host will go last because hosts are polite people who let their guests go first . And with that, Cicero, you have a clear board . Tell me , I can't wait to see what happens here . A Star Trek actor and their movie role . So Jason , since we're going with this whole crossover, I talked about basketball before . I have the first pick in this draft . I've got to pick the Lebron James this particular category, right? This crazy sub genre . And of course , that's Gurney Halleck from Dude . Stewart. Stewart with hair, right? Looking awesome. Just before we started, my wife who read Patrick Stewart's autobiography said his story in that memoir is that David Lynch was really mad when he showed up on set because they didn't cast a bald guy because they were looking at like a theater performance that was recorded where he was wearing a wig and David Lynch was like apparently very mad personally at Patrick Stewart for misrepresenting his hair, which he didn't do but, anyway he got over it. Patrick Stewart sitting right out there . Of course , he had a famous TV role before Star Trek the next generation, but this , yes, right before in the mid eighties before he got cast, he was Gurney Halleck. In Dune, I think this is a pretty great pick. It was on my list for sure . Um , wow, this is going fast. Maybe who knows? Maybe we'll have more picks than we thought. David , oh God, I can't even I go ahead, David. You're going to do something weird. I know it. I know it. I just know it. Oh , oh, you know it, you know it. I'm I'm going to go with someone who has appeared in multiple Star Trek series as the same character no less and he's not a regular . It's William Campbell fam,ously of Gothos and also clearly Captain Coloth , who has appeared in The Trouble with Tribles, More Troubles, More Tribles , and multiple episodes of Deep Space N ight. Right , where he gets to redeem himself a little bit . And he played a character named Richard Halloran in a film called Dementia thirteen, the first film directed by Francis Ford Coppola at the same time as filming The Young Racers directed by Roger Corman. Roger Cornin produced both films . Coppola was doing the audio for the young racers, they were filming in Ireland and and they saw the success of this film called Psycho and Corman said, Hey, Francis, would you like to d irect another film that's basically a carbon copy of psycho but make it more homicidal ? Because Roger Corman was weird. And so yeah, he basically he borrowed the sets, he borrowed the cast, and he shot Dimentia thirteen in and out of the schedule of the young racers . And it's somewhat incoherent, but William Campbell is pretty good in it. You know, he's a charming actor. And I've always wondered because the name Richard Halleran is also the name of Scatman Cruther's character in The Shining. And I've always wondered if Stephen King did that intentionally . Very strange. But there you go. Dementia thirteen. Has anybody else here seen Dementia thirteen ? Nope, didn't think so . It's it's pretty hard to find. Copola did release a director's cut of it a few years ago Didn't help. I'm sure yeah, I'm sure that's solved everything . All right, William Campbell. Yeah, the squire of Gothos himself. Okay, Mickey, it's your turn . Well, since Patrick Stewart has already been picked off, just for Dune, you can pick him for something he has. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going with old Hollywood Jean Simmons. Oh yeah. Who appeared in a nineteen ninety one episode of Star Trek Next Generation ? Retired Rear Admiral Nora Sati. I think it's Rumhead . Yes, exactly. So it's hard to pick a specific movie role for her, but I will pick a couple. One of them is from Elmer Gantry where she played sister Sharon, which was much dissected by Lion's Towers and Shields. And then another role that people might not be as familiar with is a movie called Desir in which she played Deseray Clearly, who was not the lover of Napoleon, but someone that Napoleon had a little crush on, I think, and ended up being told to marry a general and becoming the Empress of Sweden . So Jean Simmons. Honestly, Mikeky, when I extended it to TNG, I thought there are some really good subtle guest stars in TNG that have surprising histories in film and I was specifically thinking of Gene Simmons actually. Good Along with one other person who I'm not gonna mention 'cause they're still out there. But yeah, I was I thought that because again, you'd think oh, Jean Simmons, she was probably in like a TOS episode or something. He's like, No , no, she's in the drum. I have a good guess at who your other TNG person is. We'll see if that person comes up Interesting. I will say Jean Simmons is on my long list. Mine as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's very good, very good. Shall look good at does us now. Shall it It's your choice. I'm gonna go because I was approaching this somewhat defensively and that I wanted to make sure that the picks that I wanted to get were mine and not someone else's. And so at the top of my list , I just went with the OG OGS captain that we know, William Shatner in Jud gment and Nuremberg . And there are a couple reasons for this. So first of all, he plays a captain in Judgment Nurberg, Captain Byers. He is an assistant to the judges who are trying the Nuremberg cases. Also, Judgement Nurmerberg probably not a movie I'll get to do on Lions Tower and Shields because it's very long. And the last time I did a really long movie, I got roasted by my four panelists who were playing giant it wasn't even giant. There was giant, there was a star is born. I have a history of this and I'm not going to be watching Giant It's only three hours long. That's like that's like a marvel movie now. Right. Right. And so Judgement Nuremberg, there are many fine performances . Shatner quits himself very well . He is joined by Bert Lancaster. He's fine. Max Millen Shell, who's great, Spens Tracy, also great, Judy Garland, incredibly incredible performance. So there's a lot to recommend that movie except it's very long and very serious, so it might not be something you choose to watch on a Saturday afternoon. If you want to see how young William Shatner acts when he's not Shatternering and when he's just kind of a good actor in the middle of a movie, Judgement Nuremberg you, could do worse than that. That's a good one. Shatner had a lot of good TV credits, but that's that's the rare good film credit pre TOS. Well, and he played like people in courtrooms and some of those TV credits too, which also made me think , yeah, this is kind of in his wheelhouse at in courtrooms. I'm very good at people in courtrooms . All right, so I mentioned classic movie actors appearing in TN , I'm going to go the complete opposite direction because just before he was cast in TNG , Will Wheaton was on the on the railroad tracks in standby me right up and so that's going to be that's going to be my choice. Well, weedon , you know , we revisited Stand by Me recently on the Incomparable Bowl and like I can see I can see why they cast him because like it's a good performance that all those kid performances are good. It's I think that's one of the most remarkable things about Stand By Me is that Rob Reiner really did get some very good performances out of extremely young actors. I know one of the one of the things that he did is he sort of like had them lean into their own personality and he would watch their interactions when they weren't recording and they and they spent time together before hand. So one of the ways you get a really good kid performance is by having the kids sort of feel like they could be themselves . But still, that doesn't always happen. You get a lot of awkward or stilted or weird kid performances in movies and Stand by Me doesn't have that. I think it's really really well done, and I think Will Wheaton is great in it. And he's basically the viewpoint character in that. So yeah, Will Wheaton. I'm going to take him off the board, that kid. I mean, nobody likes Wesley Crusher and all, but he's great and stand by me. So Will Wheaton. There , I got him. Got that guy. Yeah, that's Yeah, damn it. That's oh, I love it when people are unhappy with my picks. That's what makes drafts fun. Yeah, half the time they're mad because I pick their pick in front of them and the other half the time they're mad because my pick was really stupid . So I'm going to choose the first one here . You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with progressives save over nine hundred dollars on average. Pop over to progressive. com, answer some questions, and you'll get a quick quote with discounts that are easy to come by. In fact, ninety nine percent of their auto customers earn at least one discount. Visit progressive. com and see if you can enjoy a little cash back. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, national average twelve month savings of nine hundred and forty six dollars by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between june twenty twenty four and may twenty twenty five. Potential savings will vary. Back around Cicero , give me another actor and role . Yeah, since you know, Will Wheaton is now off the board. Yes. I got you know, I'm looking at my board now and I'm trying to figure out where I should go that is the right way to go Oh the hell with it. I was doing research for this and as I was doing research I found another TNG character. I found that TNG character's very first role. It is Michael Dorne as Apollo Creed's bodyguard in Rocky . He has a blink can you miss it moment of a cameo in Rocky and And yeah, that is the one . That is the one. I even I went back and pulled it up and it's amazing. That's that's even before he's on chips . That's correct. Yeah . Yeah. That's great. I had no idea Michael Dorne was in Rocky. Yeah . nineteen seventy six. Playing us to playing the classic role. Goodness of the guard, bodyguard. Yeah . Classic . Very memorable character but still it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We have no rules. Do a spinoff series about him now though. Yes . Sure , sure. Where he's like an old wise advisor to the current guards, Creed's buddy. That's right. Yeah, that's right very nice. David, your turn, next one ? So there's an episode from the third season of the original series. Don't do it. It's one of the good ones. It's one of the good ones. I mean, go ahead then. For third season and it's an episode that makes a virt ue of the fact that they had cut the budget . It's one where Kirk and everybody are thrown back in time to the gunfight at the OK corral . And I got to say, I love DeForest Kelly. I love discovering DeForest Kelly and all kinds of things. And he was he was one of those interesting. What are you doing to me right now . Well, here's here's what's weird about Spectre of the Gun . So in the fifties DeForest Kelly was in the CBS TV series You are there as Ike Clanton at the OK Corral. But wait But I am not burning my TV pick on that no because he was also Morgan Erner in Gunfight at the OK Corale with Bert Lancaster and Kirk Douglas . So he has played someone on every side of that gunfight. It's been a while and hence you have sniped sniped me well and truly, David. Thank you so much . Oh , David . That's that's pretty good . All right. He's right. George Kelly, he's got to cover say what you will about DeF orest Kelly. He has got the entire OK corral covered. Yeah . And it's how often do you wind up playing the same situation? Like, yeah, okay, actors get their character s, like, you know, people do Hamlet again and again or Macbeth, or whomever , but how often do you get to do three totally different things in the same setting? That's wild. That was wild. It's something about the shootout the OK Corral just it was an incredibly popular representative topic in mid century TV and film like it, ,'s yeah, everywhere and you don't really see it so much now, but back then there's there's John Ford's My Darling Clementine, also a good movie and it was another one. I'm trying to think of from the forties that I'm blanking on now Yeah, people love telling that story. Because we think of it as this old West thing from the eighteen eighties, but I remember looking when were doing Kilmas , that it really didn't become well known until the like the thirties when there was like a book about Wyatt Earp that came out because Wyatt Earp was first off Wyatt Earp was like he's like a long time he was a celebrity in like the twenties and thirties he was like appearing making appearances and stuff and then he died and they wrote a book and it popularized the shoot at the OK Corr Yeah. And that gets was the big concluding like it was not a serialized show, but the Life and Times of Wyat Earp with Hugh O'Brien ran for, you know, five or six seasons . And when they said, yeah, we're going to end it . Everyone thinks the fugitive was the first show that had a real definitive ending , but they actually did a multi episode arc building to the gunfight at the O to end that series. That's cool. All right, Force Kelly is off the board from one of his many appearances at the OK Corral. Mickey, it's your choice. So I'm knocking off my big names right up front and I'm going with Whoopi Goldberg. Yeah, good pick, good pick. Star Trek Next Generation nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety three. And I think the movie that most people were introduced to her with was The Color Purple in nineteen eighty five when she played Celie and it still makes me cry every time I read the book and watched the movie and it never I failed to cry . But it was interesting because I did not realize how big a box office star she was in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties and she at one point did seven movies in three years , including Jumping Jack Flash and Clarice Heart . She loved the original Star Trek . And she appealed directly to Jean Roddenberry to get a role and once she was there she didn't want to leave . So I admire her persistence and I admire the fact that she did something different. I mean, she's someone who's always refreshing her approach to acting , to hosting, that sort of thing. And so I think that her addition, especially because there was an original black character in the original Star Trek, and she wanted to pay homage to her. So let's take whoopy Goldberg. She's she still was appearing in TNG, you know, and during that period she won the Oscar . Yes . That's right. So for ghost, I believe. So for ghost Bondi. Yeah, but the color purple . I mean, it would be as if, you know, Kate Blanchette appeared in , I don't know, Emily in Paris something like that . No, it's so weird now. Battlestar Galactica. Okay, okay. We'll take that. Yeah. It just seems out of place, but that but there was a special, I mean, that was the thing. She wanted to be in Star Trek. That's just bottom line. She wanted to be in Star Trek. That's fine. Yeah, I think so. I think that's great. That was definitely on my list . So I can I will say for sure sniped with that one . Good job. Shelley ? Scrolling past all my deforest Kelly commentary , which may come back because I have some I have some things I can do but I'm not going to use it for now. My choice is going to be a notable guest star from the original series , somebody who went on to do so a lot of these, obviously, the rules are, we're talking about film roles before the series, but this is somebody who quite definitely made a bigger splash after Star Trek . And that is the guest star in City on The Edge of Forever, Miss Joan Collins. And my film choice for her is a movie called The Good Die Young from nineteen fifty four , which is a heist movie. Joan is not a heister. She is married to one of the heisters , who include Stanley Baker and who's the other guy? Hang on . Oh, who include Lawrence Harvey, Stanley Baker, and Richard Basheart playing Joan Collins' husband. And Joan Collins is basically a hen pecked daughter whose mother is guilting her into staying in England and this is not according to her husband's plans. And so for some reason, despite the fact when you can't get along with your mother in law, of course you get together with the other guys and you try to rob a post office and it doesn't go well. And I found myself I wanted to pick a Joan Collins and I had several on my list and I found myself skimming this movie today and I just watched the whole thing. I'd never seen it before . And I really liked it. It's the copy I have and it I don't know where I got it. I have no idea. I have a lot of movies. But Copy I have is not in very good shape and it is from a sort of a low budget film director, film company, but it's quite good and it's worth finding. It's not only the Good Dai young, it's just the Good Dai Young, a good ensemble cast. Gloria Graham is in it in a really funny role. She's playing Gloria Graham, but amped up if that if that makes sense if you think it would w sheanna's right, it's great. And she's she's just totally unsympathetic. Lawrence Harvey is evil. He's the most evil person in the movie. Anyway, it's great fun. Joan Collins. And she's she's not being very Joan Collinsy in nineteen fifty four, but that's part of the fun for me is to see somebody doing something other than what they're well known for. As a kid growing up watching Star Trek , I didn't know anything about Joan Collins since she was just Edith Keherl, which is of course why and I think that's true like for a lot of people who watch Star Trek. And then of course in the eighties, she became wildly popular in dynasty and had very not Edith Keele and very naughty Keeler. And then you you watch watch City and you're like, whoa, that's Joan Collins, like twenty years earlier and not evil . And I always liked that. I liked that that was such a completely random thing , but she obviously had a bigger career before that. In fact, her roles like The Good Die Young and other film roles are probably one of the reasons she got marked as a special star, but it's just funny that all got washed out by Dynasty in the end, but I really like her and sitting on the edge of forever. It's just not a very Joan Collinsy kind of performance, like you said . But her documentary on Netflix is just a hoot. So if people get a chance, you know, are looking for just really light fun entertainment some night , I would definitely watch the Joan Collins documentary. Wow. And she is still with us and at least the last the last public appearance I saw of hers was like four years ago. I don't know what she's doing right there. She's on Instagram. She's very active on Instagram. Love it. And she's got every gram. Younger husband. Like, I don't think he's that young anymore. Like she's ninety and he's in a sixty percent of seventy but she goes to stuff. She goes to lunches and I don't think she went to Royal Ascot, but she'll show up at like the Baftas and stuff. So yeah, she's got like a red carpet picture from a thing that happened two weeks ago on her Instagram. Yeah. So yeah. She's very active and she's got a bunch of kids. I think she's got four kids, a couple by Anthony New ley. So she posts pictures of herself and her grandchildren all the time. And she looks very, very good. I mean , you figure out she's probably like propped up, but she looks like she's made it work. She's made it. I think she's somebody who feels like she's got an image to maintain and she's going to continue to do it and it's not it's not the least bit pathetic. It actually works. No , no, no, she's very contemporary . Yeah . Wow. Who would have thought contemporary that sitting on the age of forever we were looking at two actors who are going to live into their nineties, but sure. They're seriously a reunion will be coming soon. Oh man , I've I often thought, you know, if Enterprise had managed to get seven seasons or if one of the newer shows had thought of it, it would have been interesting to bring them back together and do something in an all eged David, do you not know that the there was a report about this that Strange New Worlds was talking about doing of course Yeah, doing an episode in which they go into an alternate timeline where Jim Kirk saved Edith Kee ler, and that was how they were going to get Schatner to appear on Strange New Worlds was he was gonna be the old Jim Kirk. I remember reading that now who caused Hitler to win the war, presumably, right? . But it didn't work out, apparently. They couldn't get him. They couldn't get him. He didn't want to go to Toronto. I don't even know. All right. To a different franchise and this is a bad third season episode, David so well, so most of them. I mean, I mean, Spectre with the gun is not very good either, but most of the third season agree. But there's something there's something to be said of it. Well, that which survives is terrible , a terrible episode. But Lee Merryweather is in it playing a cryptic one of the many kind of cryptic inhuman women who appear in very bad third season TOS episodes an AI in fact. But indeed, indeed. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But of Chrisley Merryweather replaced Julie Numar as Catwoman in the nineteen sixty six film version of Batman . And so I picked the catwoman , Lee Merrywether Catwoman, one of three cat women ultimately in Batman, but the film catwoman from nineteen sixty another movie we've done for this podcast . And it is a great example of the rare movie made by a TV show during the run of the TV show . Alan Seppenwald did a piece about this a few months ago because there was the obviously the Mandalorian movie which is a continuation of a TV series. Those happen sometimes but like if the TV series is then comes back . The X Files is maybe the best example where they shot an X Files movie while the show was in production. But Batman bless them. They're like, oh, this Batman has really gotten a hit. Let's strike while the iron is hot and make a movie. And so they did and it's it's weird and funny but also kind of very kind of like brightly lit LA in the sixties kind of like there's a helicopter. I don't know. I think it's a fun stupid movie. And it's a mess of batcopter. It is a bad copter. You're right. Shark repellent. That's right, you know. Sometimes you just can't get rid of a bomb. It actually one of the scenes great scene, fantastic scene . So so yeah, Lee Merryweather. Batman . That brings us around to round three. I'm going to say now if you want to pick your one TV series you can now. I will now allow you to pick it. Cicero, it's back up to you though. Film's all film still on the board, but you've got the TV bailout now if you want it. Okay, so Jason, I've got I've got a question . Is a TV movie a movie or a TV series ? I'd say it's a movie Okay . All right . So then but a miniseries is a series . A miniseries is a series. Okay, then series is a series but a mo,vie a movie is . All right. I just made that up, but we'll just say those are the rules. Somebody written. Break them if you like. Yes, so say we all . So this guy says that he will pick a person that was in a mini series because , you know, why not? In fact, this actor was in a mini series that was culturally relevant. It was groundbreaking . It really kind of changed the paradigm for conversations around the entire country surrounding all sorts of different subjects. I didn't know the situation Chamberlain was in never mind . Right , right . So yeah, so but yes, so specifically around race and there were lots of conversations that were being had as a result of this actor's performance . And that of course, I am of course talking about La Var Bturon Gramblings White Tiger . This is the nineteen eighty one TV movie in which Levar Burton plays a running back I believe at Grambling University in Louisiana. It's an HBCU where there is a white player that has been enrolled who is going to be the first white quarterback in the history of the team that that role being played boldly by now Caitlin Jenner and and And and that character felt racism for the very first time and discrimination and really got a sense to understanding what it may be like on the other side of the fence and and of course the nation took up the conversation in Grambling's White Tiger and that that dialogue has persistent until today. Indeed , people talk about Grambling's white tiger , an NBC Living . Yeah . Maybe they should like I like the name. I think that's a good dialogue. In Europe, they just called it white Tiger because nobody knows what grambling is. Right And because everything ties into Magnum PI, oh no, the character of TC was a grambling. Right Madrid. That's true. That is true. That's true . Oh, I see what you did there. You were winding up, you gave it the whole big windup. I made my little joke about showgun and then you went the whole other way. Well, you know , other miniseries are still available for later. So Farberton was really good in Showgun. Don't sell him . I mean, yeah, sure . David, your choice. Well, this is where I'm gonna blow my TV hall pass . Okay. Even though this is something that never appeared on TV. What? I know . It was a pilot and I will say it's it's actually not as bad as it sounds . It could have been so much worse . But I can see why it wouldn't get picked up because it would have been expensive. You couldn't maintain that scale and it would have gotten really repetitive , not that TV ever gets repetitive . In nineteen sixty three , well before Trek or Arrest and Trial or any of the other shows that Chattner a run on he was in a pilot called Alexander the Great , where he played Alexander the Great and the cast includes Adam West , John Cassavetes and Joseph Cotton . It is kind of wild . But yeah, it should be a lot worse than it is. But yeah, Adam West would have been the co star. The others were guest stars . And there is just something watching Shatner and Adam West they are the iconic, the easily made fun of dynamic . And this is where they're both still trying , right? They're not oscified into stick or delivery . They're actually trying to act and they're pretty good and the entire thing is on YouTube. I will send you a link for the show notes . Because yeah, it's kind of fascinating . I've never heard of this There's a reason, but yes, it's it is and it's and it's in its entirety in multiple places on YouTube. That's the kind of pick that I expected from David. Thank you . Thank you. That's it. I've got more . I'm sure you do not . I'm sure you do, but not yet. Mickey's turn now to pick something problem. Well, no, it's so interesting because my choice ties in with both Cicero and David as someone who's probably known for a TV role , but had quite an active movie career before came to Star Trek and that is Frank Gorshen . Frank Gorshin ooh we probably That is only David Pick . So I barely remember the original Batman, but I remember the riddler because he looked like he was wearing a rubber suit . And obviously there have been riddlers since him , but he's the one that stays in, you know, in the far reaches of my memory as playing the Riddler. So he only appeared in one episode of Star Trek, which was called Let That Be Your Last Battlefield and he played a half black face, half white face alien called Commissioner Bailey, I think it's known el, excuse me. And I think it's interesting that it's nineteen sixty nine, the subject of racism comes up on Star Trek. Yeah. Amazing and but you know, people did it it's really interesting to go back and look at sixties, seventies TV when shows would tackle these topics and then they would later dance around them . But from the mid sixties to early seventies, you could have discussions of race on TV shows , which I think is so interesting. But anyway, he had a long B movie career before he got to Star Trek. And I think the roles that stood out to me were where the Boys are with Connie Francis. He was a hipster jazz bassist named Basil . And he was a kidnapper in the Hailey Mills vehicle that darn cat , which I do remember . And then he was in an auto premature movie called Skidoo and I remember that airing on I think the NBC movie of the Week or something like that . So yeah, and then he was in little tiny roles in other movies. But I just it's interesting. I think he was part of the Rat Pack. Am I remembering this correctly or he had an association tangential . Yeah. Yeah. And he did a lot of impressions and he would come on the tonight show and did . That's what I was going to say. I remembered him before that he was associated with a lot of impressions. I can't remember who , but you know, whoever was contemporary at the time . Well, he did, he was he was famous for his Jimmy Cagney . I think he opened for Sinatra a lot. Sinatra had stand ups as his openers instead of sing ers. Right. And he'd come on the tonight show and do various people. And so yeah, so Frank Gorshan. Frank Gorshan. All right . Shelley? So many choices, so many choices. I'm just going to go ahead and take another heavy hitter. When you think Star Trek original series guest star and especially if you continue to follow Star Trek after the original series ended, there's only one name that you think of and that is Ricardo Motleburg. Yeah. I got him. I had I have a little rule for myself . Ricciardo is one of the people who has appeared in Lions Terror and Shields epis ode and my rule for myself was not to pick movies that we had talked about over there because it feels like since I picked those movies it would be cheating. So instead of the movie we chose over there , I chose a mystery street which is a no where Ricciardo is a cop . Fortunately and he generally had good luck in movies. Not always, there are many, many exceptions. He generally , he was often able to play a character where his race or his ethnicity was not remarked on, which was extremely unusual. And in Mystery Street, he's a cop , and early in the movie he discusses is he works the Puerto Rican section , and he has not had murder cases like the one he's now working. But that's just an aside. That's just a sort of explain where he is, but there's no point at which he has to deal with people who won't respect him for his race or whatever. So small, small amounts of credit to fifty's filmmakers. What I like about the movie is that it is first of all it introduces forensics in an era when that really wasn't something that was part of crime movies. Now it's everywhere. We talk about, you know, CSI and all that stuff. But back in the day, it was pretty unusual. In fact, he is solving a case. This is in the Boston area, and he's solving a case of murder that happened down on Cape Cod . And the bones of the person who has died are taken to a lab at Harvard. And they go through great trouble to say, well, we're going to look at the size of the bones and we're going to look at the condition of the bones and we're going to tell you what gender the person was and when they died and all sorts of facts about him about the killing that are not known to the cop just looking at the evidence of seeing the bones in the bag. And so it's good in that way. And it's also pretty suspenseful. It's not really a how catch them because you don't know for sure who did it at the beginning. You have a pretty good idea. It's not a character you've been introduced to. It's a character that you know that if you don't have a name for the character, you haven't seen the face of the character, but you kind of know who probably did it based on the relationship to the person that they killed, but there still is some suspense because they go through a lot of suspects. And Montaban is , you know, he's playing, he's not sort of a hero cop. I mean, he is the hero, but he's not playing the sort of , you know, over the top, I am going to solve this case. He's a work a day guy. He's he doesn't usually wear a trench coat, but you can see him wearing a Columbo trench coat. It's just he's just he's playing a good cop and it's a, as I say, it's a suspenseful movie. It's good. And if you saw any other Ricardo Montembon movies recently and we're not pleased with them. Maybe check out Mystery Street or it's good. It's a it's a John Sturgis film it's right it predates Ed McMain's eighty seventh precinct novels, but it really feels like one in a good way . All right, I am stuck choosing between two really enjoyable eighties character actors . And not somebody on my list. Yeah , I like one of them better in Star Trek and I like one of them better in movies . Whew , I guess I'm gonna go because I like him so much as a character actor in his whole career. And he first appeared in Star Trek, believe it or not in a Star Trek film, but then he later appeared on TNG . And the movies that I'm going to pick are before he was in any Star Trek. And that's David Warner , who was a cardassian for him one . A Cardassian in chain of command, an episode that also featured Ronnie Cox, who I didn't pick there, but he's sitting right there everybody in that same two third episode He spends most of it sitting. He, ye heah both of them do, really. Yeah, so he is the Kardassian who tortures Picard with the lights, count the lights . You gotta count those lights . But of course he was personification of evil in Time Bandits and probably my official pick will be that he was also Sark , another villainous character in Tron in nineteen eighty two , but I also do love time bandits . And I love David Warner. He 's literally been he passed away recently a couple of years ago. He literally appeared in every science fiction thing there was basically it feels like movies and TV and he could be he's the sensitive Klick on Chancellor in Star Trek six . He is the sadistic Cardassian in chain of command . He's played he's an ambassador in Star Trek five in Star Trek five you're right. He is in Star Trek five too. They liked him so much they brought him back in Star Trek VI. So they said David, you can be in a good movie this time. He said, well, whatever. The checks clear. Anyway, he's been a lot of bad stuff. He's been a lot of good stuff. He was in Babylon five. He's been in, I think he was in Latter day Star Trek. He was in a doctor Who modern series like he everywhere David Warner He's even been in the big finished doctor Who Audios in a series where they did like an alternate universe where there were other people who were the doctor and he gets to be the doctor in several episodes of that. Yeah , yeah,' hes great. Yeah . He is I have him in a much older movie. He 's had quite a had quite a long career and even going back to movies that I might watch. He's there . Yeah. He's also he's also in the Omen where he dies because everybody dies at the Omen. But like again, I'm going to pick his early eighties work there. So we'll let's do a fourth round, everybody . Yes , Cicero . Oh man, I you know, I was starting to collect my dead. Bring out one more dead one more living . Right. All right, well , so we've been playing, we've been playing this game in a way where we're drafting the actor and not the role. Yeah. Well, you can draft a role. You can take somebody who's already been picked for a different role. That's fine. Yeah. That was supposed to be the rule, but then everybody started listening lots of movies . Right . I'm going to pick someone who's already been picked. Okay. Okay. All right, so go for it. Go for it . You know what? Wait, Cicero's not done though . No. Oh, oh yeah, no, no, no, no, but David, David 's gonna bring the ice, sister over grab the ice first. I'm encouraging. Yes, yes. So I will not snipe David . Oh, not at all. I'm not worried. Oh, oh, okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Oh, a challenge accepted . Um , then you know what I'm gonna do then is I'm going to pick Billy Sh atts . All right. Yeah, all right. I'm gonna pick Billy Shatts in a movie in nineteen sixty one called The Explosive Generation he plays a teacher who is teaching kids about sex ed and gets in trouble in with with the the school because it is too risque and racy for the high schools . Yes , so there you go. William Shatner. He's the teacher who's teaching the kids maybe a little too much, wim shadow . Yeah. Yeah. All right, David . Well, I too am going to pick someone who's already been picked because Because I love the fact that we all know Ricardo Montelban as, you know either as Khan or Mr Rock or just the guys selling Chryslers with rich Corinthian lead . Fine, Corinthians fine. And but I love that he had a whole career in musicals well before Star Trek . And even though now we may have watched one for Lion's Towers and Shields, in which all of his singing is dubbed, but he had a lovely singing voice . And I'm so glad that a TV movie counts as a movie because I would have had to pick Neptune's daughter , which yeah, that's fine, and it is amusing that his character is named Jose O'Rourke like, he can't get away from that name . But in let me see, let me go back in my notes to find when he did this. It was in I think nineteen sixty four they did , yes, they did a TV adaptation of the Fantastics which is now the longest running musical in the world . It ran for seventeen thousand one hundred and sixty two performances over forty two years and it only closed because of COVID . But there's a TV adaptation from the Hallmark Hall of Fame with Ricciardo Motlebon as El G ayo who probably Jerry Orbach is the next most famous El Gaio , but he's the narrator. He's the one who sings, try to remember and something and something I can't remember. I can't remember that I tried. I can't remember . I tried. Not time in September, September, night in September. Every time I think I think of try to remember, that's the episode of Magnum that introduced Tanaka anyway But but it's kind of not a great adaptation of it when your romantic leaders young John Davidson there's only so much you can do . But Ricardo Montreban is delight ful. Yeah, he is cute, he is cute. And you have Stanley Holloway and Bert Law as the as the two fathers . It's charming to watch. Is it also somewhere ? It is it is I also that is another link I will be sending for the show to entirety on YouTube, yes. So and it's actually it's closer to the original version of the show than what eventually ran off Broadway all those years . And it has some of the original cast from the collegiate production of it where it all began . So it's kind of interesting, right? And the card of Montapon . Mickey . Well, I've got to go with Jesus . Meaning Jeffrey Hunter who is really didn't appear live Star Trek because he died , but they had footage of him. He still they mean he Jeffrey Hunter died but like he refused to be before that. He refused to be on. So they had a double but like the character character doesn't die. He's just in a wheelchair but they had a whole original pilot with him which has also been released so you can just he's the original captain Pike Jeffrey Hunter. Yep, yep, yep. So Jeffreoy Hunter was best known to me as a child for playing Jesus in the King of Kings , and the King of Kings used to run every Easter . And Don Don Don un D dun dun da da dawn. So Jeffrey Hunter played Jesus in that. And he was also in a movie called The Searchers. Yes. He had a long pretty long movie in that. The Searchers , by the way, is one of the first, that's our first lions and towers and lions Lion tow Tersower . First episode with me and Shelley and Phil Michaels and Randy Dutinka. So we have lots of fun. But I was doing in California months ago, I'm so glad to have a call back to that . But Jeffrey Hunter born in New Orleans went to Northwestern and he had a long, long, long movie career with starting with an uncredited part in Julius Caesar and another actor in that production Charlton Heston . So I can't say that he was a particularly great actor, but he was an actor . And he did sadly die at only the age of forty two . So thank goodness, his performance is captured on tape. Jeffrey Hunter wanted to get back and film he wasn't happy doing TV, and that's one of the reasons that he refused the second Star Trek pilot is that he was really trying to get back to being a film actor and didn't want to work in TV . And yeah, unfortunately, I think it was on the set of a film. He got a horrible head injury and had a concussion and like it led to complications and yeah so it was just tricky kind of a double double whammy because he was he had an injury something, fell on his head on a movie set. And then in the next movie, he banged his head against the side of a train on the movie set . And they think that the first injury had caused probably a bleed . And then the second one was the one that got him. Yeah. It's really sad . Yeah. And we talked yeah, he's very interesting in the searchers . It's not the problem I have with that movie. Yeah, it's probably his best role, but yeah, yeah, I have the same problem. People can listen to our episode to watch Phil. Very soon. Yeah, Phil and I will we say things and Randy is agast and shall we just get s to watch it all happening. It was great. We did that in person . Shelly? The editing has been fun. I bet. we're picking because I'm sorry if I was already looking at my Bingr Out Yourad De which, is realizing how extensive it is. But I will stick with guest stars and get back to regular actors in Star Trek in Bring Out Your Dead. So for guest stars, we're going to stick for the first season episode featuring one Elisha Cook Jr. Yes. Yeah. You start me. Good, good . Good He was a well, he'd been a film actor for many years since the forties, he appeared in a lot of Norse. He's often a weasel little guy. And sometimes he's a sidekick, sometimes he's just a no count weasel, sometimes you don't know whether you can trust him. And there so's many good performances . He was in the Maldis Falcon, he was in the Big Sleep. Those are probably the most well known films to non film nerds that he was in . And so it was hard to decide which to choose. And I went with one of the movies where he's the most Weasley and where he also begs the question , is he actually romantically interested in that guy? Yes, he is. The movie is born to kill. We've talked about it on L an Sarrison Shields, nineteen forty seven. He is Laurence Tierney's sidekick. Lawrence Tierney is a terrible terrible man. He's a killer. Hence the title of the movie. And Elijah Coach Jr. is his fixer and his side kick. And it's very it's home erotic if you choose to take it that way. And if you don't choose to take it that way, it's hard to avoid the idea that it might be. Laurence Tierney also a Star Trek guest the next generation that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right . And I was when I was looking at things and I put Elisha on my long list, I was kind of fascinated that he's one of the few actors who's been in Dash lamett, Raymond Chandler, and Mickey Spillaine because he was in Malty's Falcon in The Big Sleep, but he was also in the early fifties version of I The Jury , which is oddly a three D film Yeah. It's and the trailer looks terrible. The trailer is on IMDB. So I really love Elijah Cook Jr. in that Star Trek episode Court Martial, but it is , he not' as he's not a Weasley guy at all. He's like a almost like a as homespun as a space lawyer can be . He's Jim Kirk lawyer just a good old country lawyer for on earth . It's kind of why I thought it would be fun to pick a movie where he's more to the movie the type that he was in movies very different than what he was in an episode. Yeah . Yeah, it's, you know, a little older. Yeah, because in Maltese Falcon, right? He's a he's like a cow a callo youth in a way that he's yeah he's not in Star Trek where he's he's a more rumpled he's also fun in the Phantom Lady where he is beating a drum set very furiously . So yeah, interesting. And of course, Ice pick on Magnum. Of course, yes. Ice pick on Magnum PI. Why did I not cross reference my magnum? I should. You got to you got MagnPi. It's connected to everything . Apparently, well, actually, I think murder she wrote is connected to everything in the same way. And they are connected to each other so that yes, I've aware. That's how they 're how it all it all comes together Tommy Westfall Globe. I will make the final pick of the four standard rounds and , you know it's it's easy but it's right here and it's it I just have to do it. It's William Shatner in the Twilight Zone Serious Yeah, there you go. Staring out the window. There's something to do a twilight zone. There were several that did Twilight Zones. Yeah, many, many, many classic. But I feel like that's the the thing that in hindsight if William Shatner hadn't been known for Star Trek, I think people would still have been referencing that Twilight Zone episode where he's just bug eyed and freaking out and sweaty and it's great it is not a restrained performance but boy, it's amaz,ing . I love it. I love it. That is him putting all of his theatrical acting skills to work . So yeah, William Shatter and See. I was torn between that and the nick of Time episode because you know , in those two Twilight Zones, you have the full range of Shatner . You have bug eyed, insane panic , and in Nick of Time he is completely restrained , but he is super, super tense because he believes in this fortune telling machine and his wife is like, Be rational. Come on, this isn't telling your fortune. And I love the contrast between the two. I don't know that I could have picked between them. Night merit twenty thousand. That's for me. Good, great Richard Magazine script . Yeah , yeah. All right, bring out your dead. We are left with what is left over, things we didn't mention that we probably should mention. Let's start with Cicero . Okay , so in my research, I found a movie , you know, as we talk about William Shatner being the overactor and that and everything . We also talk about Leonard Nimoy and how he's the more serious of those two . Well, Leonard Nimoy basically got his start in nineteen fifty two in a movie called Zombies of the Stratosphere , where he played a Martian named Narab who invaded Earth and he's barely in the movie and it's so bad it's funny but it's kind of really so bad it's bad. So that's that's on the list . Um , you know , William Shatner for for all his all his work, his pre Star Trek work was pretty dramatic. We missed the intruder where he played Adam Kramer. Very purposely in my case. Yes Yes Of course we danced around Khan Nunan sings his or Ricardo Malta Bond's role in Escape from the Planet of the Apes and two Whoopi Goldberg roles that were mentioned but were on my list that of Terry Doolittle from Jumpin Jack Flash and Bernice Rodenbar from Burglar . Those were two movies as a kid . Whoopi Goldberg was a huge , huge, huge star in my community, but even before she was on Star Trek . So yeah, anytime she was making, you know, when she started making movies, it was it was fantastic. Not only was she charismatic , she was super funny, she was doing movies that were kind of outside of the box and weren't definitely weren't the stereotypical movies that women of color were making that time or at any time, really . And she, you know, she was really a vanguard. So those roles always stuck out to me. So those are those are my bring out the dead. Nice, very nice. Oh, and of course Kutikin . Of course, just throw that in there. In case in case you liked Lavar Burton and Grammling's White Tiger, you might also like him in Lavar. He did that little thing called Roots. Yeah, just a little thing . David . So Shatner also did a pilot in nineteen fifty nine , which is also in its entirety on YouTube , where they tried to adapt the Nero Wolf novels . And so he would have played the Legman who went out and did all the investigating Archie Goodwin? Archie Goodwin with Kurt Kasnar as Niero Wolf, which is not bad casting . He's probably most famous nowadays to genre fans as basically the doctor Smith in Irwin Allen's Land of the Giants . But yeah, it's have an interesting chemistry and Shatner again , this is this is early Shatner. So he's not oscified into patterns and so his narration is actually charming and loose and it is not that staccato rhythm of Shatner . So it is kind of fun to watch. He's also in a terrible episode of Naked City . He was on several, but in this one , I would say don't watch it unless you are a masochist , where he plays a Burmese merchant marine out for v engeance against Martin Balsam who didn't rescue his siblings in a sea sea tragedy and it is like it would be a good story with an Asian actor ? But the whole time you're looking at him going , that's William Shattan No . But then back to good stuff . If you watch the film Fantastic Voyage and you notice a hypothermia technician named Dr. Sawyer , that uncredited actor is James Dewin. Then one of my favorite actors in one of my favorite movies James Gregory , who played doctor Tristan Adams in Dagger of the Mind. Yeah He is, of course, Senator John Island in the Manchurian candidate . Wonderful , wonderful role. And on a million westerns in the sixties too. Oh, tons of Westerns. There's Inspector Luger on Barney Miller and he's hilarious . Jean Simmons was on my long list because she was Sarah Brown from the Salvation Army in guys and dolls against Against Marlon Brando . And also a TNG actor who I am surprised did not come up in in an old movie draft Norman Lloyd. Oh yeah . Probably most famous from Saint Elswere, but he was Professor Galind Captain Picard' s professor in the episode The Chase . And of course he was famous for working with Hitchcock for many years. And he started that with the movie Saboteur as Frank Fry, but then he went on to produce Alfred Hitchco ck presents and appear multiple times in that . And I do want to take just a quick sidebar into writers because Gene Roddenberry, one of the earlier shows that he got his start writ ing for was Have Gun will Travel , which is a really good western . It's a little more interesting than most of the fifties westerns . It was created by Sam Rolf, who went on to create The Man for Uncle, and some of the writers who got their start on a Have Gun will Travel . Gene Rodenberry who went on to Star Trek , Bruce Geller, who went on to create Manics, but more importantly, Mission Impossible , and Michael Garrison, who went on to create the Wild Wild West. So it's sort of like all of these really cool shows all came out of the writer's room at Have Gunwill Travel, which is kind of wild . All right, Mickey, what did you have left? So I have somebody from my hometown , actually . From the original series , her name is Grace Lee Whitney ? Oh yeah . Yeah. So here's some very interesting I'm trying to like map this out because I couldn't find specifics online, but she was born here in Ann Arbor and her birth name was Mary Ann Chase and she's born in nineteen thirty . She was adopted by the Whitney family of Detroit and the Whitney family quite prominent. There was the David Whitney building still exists in Detroit. There's the Whitney, which is a very upscale mansion type restaurant . And I have two theories. One is that she might have been born to an unwed mother and was adopted or that she was born and it's nineteen thirty. So lots of people can't take care of their children and sent them to orphanages. In fact, one of the people who ended up in an orphan age was Tom Monaghan , the founder of Domino's Pizza and for a time the owner of the Detroit Tigers. So this is my theory was that either her mother was on wed and she adopted out or her mother couldn't take care of her and she got adopted out. So she became a girl singer on W JR AM seven hundred and sixty the Golden Tower of the Fisher building, which is still on the air . And she's fourteen years old and she became a girl singer and people apparently heard her and thought, well, this might be somebody who could possibly be an act ress . But one of her famous early roles was as The Chicken of the Sea Mermaid on Radio . She made her movie debut in House of Wax in nineteen fifty three in an uncredited role . She's also in some like it hot as a member of the All Girl Band . And apparently she's in a bunch of scenes with Jack Levin and Tony Curtison, Marilyn Monro e, including the Upper Birth scene, which BERTH scene , which I think people will remember because Marilyn Monroe was looking hot and Tony and Jack were like how do we handle this ? But she had she worked with a whole bunch of interesting people. Billy Wilder gave her a role in Irma Duce and she was in a western called The Man from Galveston. And so she had she's actually really more of a movie actress that came to Star Trek versus somebody who was on Star Trek and then went to movies. So Grace Lee Whitney. And then I also want to mention is it Magelle or Magel Berry ? Maybe Magell who was Jean Roddenberry's wife for a while and was known as the Firstady L of Star Trek who played nurse Christine Chaffell and she's another person that had roles in a bunch of movies. She was in Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter and she was in in love a goldfish bowl and a guide for the married man and she worked at Desi Lew. So I thought this was really interesting . She was on Bonanza, she was on the Untouchables and the Lucy show and then a show called The Lieutenant, which is probably where she met Jean Roddenberry . And then she in nineteen sixty, she played Gwen in Leave It To Beaver . So that's two of my dead and then my third dead is someone who all know Paul Sorvino and Paul Sorvino was in an episode of seven I think it was like the seventh season of Next Generation in nineteen ninety four, but we know him for so many performances the Godfather included . And he, of course, is the papa of Mir Sorvin . So my those are my dead. I think it was the fourth season where he showed up as Worf's foster father because it was the family episode . It was right after the the Borg Cliffhanger. Ah, yeah, could be Yeah . Or is that, or is that where he meets his because there's because Warf has multiple families? Anyway, you're right. Warf's brother, right? And he's Warf's brother . That's what my father down brother . Oh, that's right. Theodore Michel is Theodore Michel is his father. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Another person doctor Nikolai Roshenko your character. Yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah . All right, Shallie? Okay . So before I do bring out your dad, I have two things to say. Had Ronnie Cox come up, I would have had a genuine glenning moment because I rode on a cross country Canadian train with Ronnie Cox about twenty five years ago. And I could have told you that story and now I have . And I can't remember that I'll just go on to bring out your dead. So I also originally put together my list thinking I was going to have a performer to themselves and I would tell you all about their roles. So I have the following interesting information about DeForest Kelly. He probably had the most film roles of any TOS regular cast member , many, many roles, many of them very small , and many of them uncredited. And I want to read you a list of movies in which DeForest Kelly appeared , but in which he was uncredited , which are all major films in the nineteen fifties . The man in the gray flannel suit, The Men, House of Bamboo and Malaya. He was in all those movies but not did not have a credit Also in minor film roles . I wanted to credit Leonard Dimoy, another one of his very early first films. I think he has one line is a movie we talked about on LTS called Rhubarb, which is a silly movie about a cat owning a baseball team. Yeah . Also very memorably . I prefer my movies about cats who own baseball teams to be dramatic and nuts . That's my silly. Also Leonard Nimoy in an episode of Dragnet as a robber when he's about eighteen , and even and he's perfect for dragnet because that whole laconic dragnet thing, Leonard's got it down. He can totally do that. Also, George Decay had a few film roles and of course some of them, you know, he's the Asian guy so we're going to give him an Asian film roll. But I just wanted to call out a couple of voiceover gigs he had in the dub of nineteen fifty five's Godzilla Reigns again also and in Rodan. He has voiceover roles there . Nichelle Nichols, her very first job was in Porgy and Best, the nineteen fifty seven film, which you really can't see because both Samuel Goldwin and George Garshwin don't want you to see it and probably for pretty good reason. And she was a dancer, so she didn't have a major role in that film, but that was her film debut . What else do we have? So many, so many. I had a few major Oh Patrick Stewart and I Claudius just has ment toion that. And I have many more, but I'm going to close out on this one because Jonathan Freks long before he was Riker and TNG had an actual story arc on the Waltons as a Navy officer. Oh wow . He has he appears in, I'm not sure how many episodes, it's a few, but before he goes to the war, he comes to Waltons Mountain and he woos one of the Walton girls and he's this guy in his dress whites and he's going off to war and you know, they're going to write and it's going to be great . And then he comes back from war and he is a very different man and he likes to drive fast and drink hard and he got married during the time he was gone. And Jonathan Frax is a different Navy officer when he comes home from the war on the Waltons. But he still swings his leg over chairs. I knew that somebody would ask me, does he do the Riker thing not? And to my knowledge, I did watch both of the episodes that I'm aware of him being in and I did not see him do the Riker maneuver. All right, Riker . I here are my cknowledged my yes, reference acknowledged. Ronnie Cox, who I hear rode on a train with Shelley , obviously , especially Robot Cop in Total Recall . He's in Beverly Hills Cop too Jefferins. Jeffrey Hunter? Yeah, in Deliverance, right? Jeffrey Hunter in the Searchers, which we saw, and I think he's good in that. John Hoyt, who is the doctor in the cage pilot was in One Worlds Collide, which is a movie I watched many times as a kid Also in The Time Travelers , a movie I've never seen. So I didn't mention it. He's also in Spartacus, by the way, just wild . William Windham, who's Matt Decker, the Doomed Commodore in a great episode , a legitimately brilliant TOS episode, The Domesday Machine. Yes. Is the prosecutor in to kill a mockingbird? Oh , wow, wow. Jane Wyatt, of course, is Spock's mom. She was in , among others, Lost Horizon . Corbin Burnson, we think of as an LA actor, but he was in major league before he was in Dejac Q ueen as Q number two and of course Patrick Stewart in Iclaudius , I think that's enough for me. So I think we've reached the end. That is we have gotten many look , drafts are excuses to talk about fun st uff, and this has been fun to talk about fun stuff about how Star Trek connects to movies and some TV shows and some failed pilots from David. So let me thank my panelists for being here one last time for this. And people by the way should check out Lions, Towers and Shields at the Incomparable Network for more of this all summer , including that amazing episode about the searchers that Shelley is breaking her heart to edit . Shelley Brisbane, we'll start with you because you came up with this whole thing. Thank you so much for being here and for doing this. Thank you for indulging me and letting me spread my wacky idea beyond lines, stowers and shields to the Mothership because sometimes I have wacky ideas and Jason goes yeah, okay fine and we move on but this one he let me do so thank you. I don't know I was going to say I kind of never met a wacky idea I didn't like. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna have you do all four airport movies, but you know, no we didn't we did negotiate that did . Okay, you're right, you're right. There are wacky ideas I don't like. I don't think of those w asacky ideas . I think of those as bad ideas. So it's totally different . I realize this is a process problem and not a anyway. Mickey Mayor, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. And you know, this was such a fun exercise in kind of m atching people to roles to movies and all that. So yeah , a good math problem. Yeah, yeah, it's good logistical problem. David J. Lorray, thank you . Did you know Eddie Pasky was in more episodes of Star Trek than either George Decay or Walter Kanig? But he wasn't in any movies. I know, I know. That's because he was a stuntman, but yes, and a double. And Cister Holmes, thank you. Thank you very much, Jason. Most of my movies will available on YouTube. And so I'll be watching a lot of YouTube after this. Excellent. And thanks to everyone out there for listening to this episode of The Comparable We'll see you next time at the movies or in space