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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience During my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night all day We're up onto the microphone. Mr. Brad. I went up there catching rainbow trout. Oh yeah. Killed 'em. I've been up with our fourth year. You fly fish? Yeah, oh yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've got a fly bobber, it's a fly . Then you got that tiny, tiny bug . I mean, you can't even see it and that's what you catch them off. So you fly using a fly rod be of a bobber and a little bobber the bobber is a basically a big moth or something . Okay , hold it up. Right. It's barber, cork, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just a different kind of fly fishing . What are you doing because you're not you're in a boat , you know, fast that water's moving. Right. And you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff and so you find like the pools where they're waiting It goes bloom. . Oh brown trout. Yeah, it was good time. Yeah, trout fishing is very fun. Yeah, it is. Flat fishing is a completely different thing. It's very skillful. I like fly fishing too. We did that last year in July and didn't have nearly didn't we didn't catch hardly anything to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean maybe five or six a day . That's a lot. For fly fishing, we caught almost one hundred and ten hours. Really? Yeah . A hundred trout. That's crazy . Don't say where you were. People are all gonna swarm that place. I didn't bring by fun. I'll show you . But yeah, it was it was crazy. Wow. Yeah, I tell you something funny. I carry, I carry , we're filming. I figured we were. I carry a baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened. You carry a baby Jesus? Baby Jesus. Was it from the manger? Yes, Jesus. Right. Jesus. I'm call it baby Jesus. Okay, okay. Oh, so it is just Jesus has spirit never exactly. Okay . So we're not catching anything. And so I reached in pocket. I don't know why I look at my eye. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus . And I said, Oh , my son in law's in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me and I set him on the igloo on the box facing me . You ready, Joe? One, two , three, four , five, six , six giant rainbow in a row. So my son in laws is back and he's going , Turn baby Jesus torch es I drew me around. I took baby Jesus toward him . One, two, three, four, five, six . I went now we called twelve , twelve rainbow anywhere from fifteen to twenty inches. That's who that's big. That's good rainbow. So the so the so the guide , I mean, he's he got a little tri outpped. He said he's he said, Hey man, you kind of you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of that's kind of got ten me a little screwed up . I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. So he said, I'm going to use this every day. So that was kind of fun. I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish. I don't go fishing every day, but yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't normally need help. But try fishing , y'all need help. I'm bass fishing and yeah, I'm pretty good on my own, but if things get desperate, I'm not, I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I want to push . Oh by the way, Jeff died to me too, hello. Oh, you know Jeff? Yeah, too I. two years of better late than ever with him. Oh yeah. I love Jeff. Yeah. Good dude. Yeah, solid dude. Man's band. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah, I was wondering. You don't drink? Yeah. I quit and then I came back. Yeah, I quit for eight months . Not really like I didn't have a problem , just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for me. Yes, smart. You have your own Terry Bretsaw whisky? Yeah, we've had it on. Come on, son. We got to have a glass of that. Seven years. Do you drink? Yes. I drink selling whiskey, better. Yeah. I drink this. Let's have it. This is our twelve year that just won all the golden awards and spirits and Oh nice. Yeah, won all of them. So age twelve years. Twelve years. thirteen now. I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that and they're like, well, yeah, that's what you drink. Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that. Unless unless they're a sponsor. They are a sponsor. Okay, there you go. And they're nice guys. Okay, and I respect them. And that country, that company's been around longer than the country. Long. Long longer than America. Long time. They started in seventeen seventy three. I mean, when you go back to study whiskey, yeah. Well, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of Bourbon whiskey and they do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can actually say because Elijah Craig was a preacher . Oh, really? Yeah. So that's a pre acher who made whiskey. Yeah . Wow . So anyway, that's that's award winning chill. Get some ice and glass . This is this is our original. This is our two year old, this is the original brand right there. We still have that. What is the original? It's two year aged. Two, two, then with our with our yeast we were able to make it taste like four to six . Okay . And so now and then we don't do that anymore . And then this is the this is the good stuff right there. What's that six year? Six year? Oh yes. So you got twelve, two, and six. Yeah, actually twelve, four. Can you really tell the difference? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm going to tell you right now . This is one hundred and forty five proof . Whoa , okay. That's a lot. This is one hundred eight , one hundred three point eight this is amazing. This is this why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging? Yeah, because it's also this is a bourbon that it's a single barrel bourbon and when we brought it out you leave it in there and this is what it turned out to now we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down this is one hundred three point eight, then it's fifty one point nine proof or proof of alcohol. This forty nine buster it out, Sry, let's go. If we bust it, how long are we planning on talk today? Tough for a couple hours . Yeah. We may not be able to make a couple hours. We'll give it our best shot. Okay, we'll do our best. You can who can open my best. Who can open this. I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife? Oh , yeah. So we started this everything but he didn't throw them off Mark Man . A lot of you know what I noticed coming over here today, a lot of tattoos in here. Yes. Yeah . Lot of tattoos. You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo free. Yeah. A lot of tattoos. He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. Are you still doing it? Is that like a bull's eye . Stand up, wait for a good drama. We made a deal. I'll do his face, he'll do mine. Oh my God . Anyway, and I'll have young Jamie like Gothic . You know, on my back. The thing about the thing about Bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with Bourbon. I find it to be first of all, it's the only thing that's it's only in America. Bourbon is only Bourbon if it's in America. Right. And I think it's only bourbon if it's if it's made in Kentucky. A lot of Kentucky people the exact same way. I mean, you ready? Yes, sir. Okay , let's go. Time to party. I'm just gonna this might this might be the best show you ever have. All right, I'm excited. Yeah, you will be after you drink that. Let it sit. Smells good. Let it sit. It smells good. Let it sit. This is the twelve year old st uff . And what is it called? Rachel Burton. That's the name. 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But I was going to my I went to my dad who saw who was driving me home today. My father's father was an alcoholic . And I went to my dad prior to him passing. And I said, Hey, Dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business ? And he says, You know what I think? And I went, Well, I'm just asking you. And he says, Absolutely not. And I said, Okay . So I shut her down. My dad died died wow, it's twelve years ago. He died. My mother died two years ago anyway . So after his passing two or three years, four years of sitting I was sitting around and I was trying to I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen, he says, What do you do to make a living? I said, Well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, Is that it? I said, Well, I'm a horse cat andtle breeder. I raise registered cattle and I'm in the breeding business training business with quarter horses. He said, Okay, he says, is there anything else? I said, Well, I get public I speak for corporations. So he was trying to find out and he took a liking to him and he says basically what he was telling me you should brand yourself and not have to travel so much. Yeah . 'C Iause travel two hundred. fifty and d ays last year we travel. That's a lot. That's a lot. But my wife travels with me so that's good. That helps. Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right. Set him right there. See if any fish I got him flopped out. I got him facing you . We'll see what happens. And anyway , so he said, basically you ought to brain yourself, get into something that you can. And I said, Well, I don't really know anything . I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh . I know how to I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a build a program in the speeches . I know quarter horses. I know how to Select horses, show horses . I know how to train them . I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now and I have people for the breeding part of it . And I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that . So I just got to I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cole, one of them, he's pretty smart dude . And so we're I'm home . I think it was kind of a rainy day and I'm sitting there and my little brain's going and I'm going what do you want to do? What do you for some reason I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company and I said, Do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, ye,ah yeah, he gave me five thousand dollars a month. So I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like everybody and everybody goes to work . But me , I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf and I got, you know, and I just got when was this thirty years ago So thirty years ago you decided to get into the cosmetics business? Yeah just for just to do something . I wanted to be I wanted to have a job. Really? Yeah, I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job . I wanted to be like, I wanted I think I wanted to see I wanted to see how America works . People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work. Right. And I for some reason I felt guilty . I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid. I know . It's interesting . So I got a job. Now, here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of, and I was watching my buddies come up the fair fairway and I'd stand at the window and I'd look at 'em and I'd go that I should be playing golf with those guys right now. Yeah . So how long did you last? Two months , I couldn't stand it. I couldn't stand it. Most people can't. I but I can't explain it other than just felt guilty that you know people say, well, athletes they got, you know, it's true. They got all this money and they got this and they got that. And you smoke cigars ? I do. You want one? Yeah, I do. I want I want a really good one. You got 'em. Oh yeah . Hey, I love hey, that's my wife. I've got the only I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house. Really? You married? Yes, I can't smoke in the house. Oh, see there. Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimmy Hendrix and all that joke. Yeah. I let her decorate the house. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very exciting. If my house would look like a sixteen year old boy won the lottery. That's what it looks like. I can understand that. I don't know why I see simulators and I don't know why my wife lets me smoke, but if she said Yeah, that's all you're saying yours don't too, but we make concessions. Okay , you know what I'm saying? Tell me anyway, but I have a pool room, like where I play pool. In the house smoke. No, it's out side. Out in the barn and I go out there and I smoke . I have a cigar. Yeah, this one, sir. Oh bless your hand. This is good. You smoke cub an cigars? I do when I can get 'em. But you know what I mean? There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterpoint be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of a good time. Not only are we gonna drink award winning Bourbon, Bradshaw Bourbon, by the way, and we're smoking this amazing cigar. Yeah, shout out to Foundation cigars . Wow . What is this? Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaraguan. Yeah . Is it our fathers or our fathers? The name of the company? Yeah, why? No, it's Foundation, Foundation Cigars . I got to get the next . This is called the Tabernacle. This is Foundation cigars. Yeah. Good, right? Legit, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If I had your account of money, I could afford these, you know? Foundation. Also have them send you a box. He'd give him to me for free. Seriously Yeah, he's a friend of the show. Can I get like a monthly delivery? Yeah, Betty will. I bet he will just make a little Instagram post or something. Anyway, be happy yep. I got this friend he built our house, huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk . I mean, this monster. The bottom of his horn was like this big ramp . Just massive seven by seven. In Idaho? New Mexico. New Mexico is a big elk. So extraordinary big elk in New Mexico. Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. And so he brings it home. Now he's all got his fireplace , all right? He's got two over here , two over here . Well, you got to balance it up, right? Right, right? One right in the middle . So he's he gets his horny you got the European European mount? Yes, that's what he does. So he's gets his step ladder . He's got his horn, he's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do, hold it and he's putting it up and he's looking at it and he's like , oh , this is good . This is good . He takes a ladder, he moves that he goes gets in his chair and he's admiring his trophies and it falls down. No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in. Oh no. And she says, What are you doing? He goes look, Babe, seven by seven . Look, two, two , one and middle, perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Bob , get it out of here . He had to take it down. You know where it is now? Where is it now? Garage . I know . I killed him. I said . I said, give it to me. I'll hang it in my living room. My wife doesn't care. That's not good. 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That Arizona , Spots of Utah just for volume, spots of California. Montana's got out. Montana's huge out. I don't know about Wyoming. I know Idaho, you U knowtah, has been Utah has huge elk. I'm not an El Cunner, but I know all this 'cause the one time I went elkin, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag. Oh, really? I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge six by six. Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just went along with him. Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when he when they had got down, you know, crawling around . It was, hey , it's an impressive animal. You've never done it? I don't hunt. You don't hunt at all just for hoots? I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff. I get it. Yeah, I get it. I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat I even have a hard time killing a mouth. I really? Yeah, I don't know what it is. Snakes snakes scare me. Centipede, I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth. Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen and grind that sucker up and he might still be alive. You ever been to Wiagan got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe, hear me, loud and clear . They're dangerous. Yeah, some of them are, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're gross. Yeah. Yeah . So no, I'm not one hundred. My brother's a hundred. My dad was a hundred. All my uncles were hunters. I don't know why I never did it. Ain't nothing wrong with that. You know, to do it, it's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store. I do that. Yeah. But if you wanted to get it yourself , it's Yeah, I don't I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish and I love to fish. I don't have to fish as long as you're catching fish and having a good time. That's as much fun for me as any Oh Mercy A big island man caught a foot long centipede that dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii? Hey, check that out. Hey Butt, look here, right here . That's crazy. Yeah, I didn't know they got that big Is that an invasive one or is that that can't be native to Hawaii, is it? It's Hawaii giant centipedes. How are you doing? Is there a secret to this? Yeah, you flip the top the other way . There you go . That's it. Now pull that button down. Oh this? Yep. There you go. Sorry about that. No worries . That one, for some reason, that lighter confuses the shit out of people. Yeah, that's pretty good lighter too. Yeah . Yeah, that was gross, huh? Well, yeah, so you have no problem killing centered bees. You don't want to kill animal. I get it. Yeah , yeah, I don't. But the thing is if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions. We raised twenty seven malard ducks. My wife and I. You raise them? Raise them. Raised raised them. And so I told her this morning flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, We've got five ducks left. What happened to 'em? Stupid ducks and we live way out in the country What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road. Oh, they get crushed. And they get hit on the road. Why I had no idea , but we have five left out of twenty seven. Are you raising them for eggs? Or are you just we just raising for ? For fun just to have ducks hanging around. Yeah, we ducks. We eat ducks, chickens, guineas . Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them? I'm not eating a duck egg. I don't know . They're darker yolk. I know that. You ever had a guinea egg? Guinea, what is it? Like in Guinea? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah It's good for you, but the duck eggs are weird, they like coat your mouth . You know what I mean? Like when you eat 'em, it just tastes different, but apparently it's massively high in protein. Yeah, we were talking about eating buffalo and elk y'all come in to door. And I said, Well, I've had buffalo and that elk that my trainer killed I could have all of it I want and I got've one little steak . My wife won't let me cook it. So I won't let you cook it. So I have it. So it's still sitting it's just no wild game in the house . See , I don't. But it's just meat. Well, you met her earlier here, yeah, she seems like a loving lady. He doesn't understand why she has a problem with when we leave her today they go and say, Hey, Tammy, how about how about we go over to the house and have a nice little elk steak and, you know , that ain't gonna happen . Some people have a bad misconception about wild game. You know, they think that it smells bad or tastes bad. I think it's taste. I don't like deer . Really? I don't like deer. I like buffalo. I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you if you had deer from someone who prepares it well. Eat duck? Yeah, you eat duck? Yes. They only do. We tried to eat we to c triooked some duck . Yeah . It was horrible. See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it. Really? I don't know . I do know this . Mr. Chalz got some of the best duck I've ever had. Right. mister Charles in Los Angeles in Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's where I eat duck. Fantastic duck. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now that I could think they probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is. We tried to do the roux . The roux that you cooked dump in . Yeah . Ended up looking like tarf. Right. But do you know how to cook? Well, we thought we did. We found that Anne is your wife cook is your wife? Yes Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good. And he got mad at them. He's like, Listen, listen, listen, don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good. It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them. And you're like, this is fantastic. Like, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job.. Mr Charles got it down. Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professionals. But my wife and I, we got it out of out of the computer. Oh, okay. Recipe. Yeah. So we got a friend of mine sent us five mallards. Right. I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So we got so you gotta make a roux, right? You know, the sauce. Right, the sauce . So we got the big pot out and we're putting this in , that in , this in that in. Right. Now you heat it, get it this and that then you stir, add this and that and we stir andred we stir andred the more we stir I end up looking like a rubber tire. It was horrible it was seriously but Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube , never played football for. Well, let's figure out how to play football. We're going to watch a YouTube video on how to play football and then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right? That's the same thing is like you learn how to cook for a recipe if you don't know how to cook. I've got a book out called the Bradshaw Family Cookbook . And so you can cook. Yeah, oh yeah, but I don't cook stuff like that. Make a roux . Now my son in law, you met Noah? Yes. He's a world renowned. Not a world , but he's number one, voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh wow. Yeah. He's from Hawaii. What restaurants did he cook at Dell's? Ham's . He they hire him. Okay . Does that make sense? Yeah, sure. They hire him. He does these goes out and cooks for companies and people. Amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church and I said, I got some I always mess up pork pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, What's your g tutemperature at thirty? I said three hundred fifty. He said twenty minutes, take them off. That's all I needed to know. It's perfect. It's beautiful. Mm . Yeah . Yeah, you just gotta learn how to do it. Yeah. But it's not that the duck tastes. bad Here's the bad thing about it. I know my banker, who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills. His name is Drake. Drake, he has Drake Ducks and he has ducks. Ducks. It's a duck hunter. But his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah. I'm calling him crazy I know but he's how ironic. Serious Duck Hunter . Serious. He plants five hundred acres of rice. Oh shoot serious. Okay. Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's eighty degrees . Ducks don't, I mean, they aren't coming in at eighty degrees. Right. His rice and he's got water issues. Does he know how to cook duck? I guess. I never he's never asked me what I want to eat a duck, but I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, Well, Tami, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck . So he sent us five duck ducks , you know? And that's so that's what you cook. That's what I cooked. Huck. Did you ask him how he cooks it? No, I don't think so. No. Probably should have. No, probably a good idea. Well, I mean the book , right? The book, come on, Joe. Yeah, the books . The book says a quarter The really the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is really good. I got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. Have you had any more? I have chair. We need to bump again. Let's go. I'm telling you when this is over with you sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there . Let's try it. It's got quite a kick. I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's one hundred and thirty five proof. Oh, that's good. yeah, I think duck cooking like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's the best tasty meat in the world. It's just how do you cook it? Turkey, wild turkey? I've had wild turkey. Oh, you're crazy. I mean , it was delicious. I mean, only way wild ye squirrel. I've had squirrel. Yeah. Now see, I grew up on squirrel. Now you tell my wife that or you telling my kids that is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken. Is that Joe Green? You're stand up comedian. Is that a funny? No, it's kind of chicken like, it's almost like rose. Squirrels taste like chicken. Well, it's not like a red meat. Do you eat the brain? I have not eaten squirrel brain. Yeah, than the brain. I've had Lamb's brain before. Yeah, my uncle Vinny used to go. He used to slice up. They used to sell in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside like sliced in half and they put two halves on the grill and they would cook lambs brains on the grill . Hey, I was like ten, I don't know . Yeah, my brother and I used to fight over the squirrelhead. Now I don't want to the squirrelhead used to fight over. I don't want to gross out our viewers out there . Well, we take them , you take them and you hit 'em with a spoon and rip it woah. Crack it open. Delicious. I mean , would I eat one today? No. How old are you when you were doing this? Yeah, I was, I know at least fifteen up to fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think anything of it. Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains can get you in trouble. Like that's can I honestly say this, is this the first interview ever done with brains? Eating brains has been brought up? Probably not. Oh, not. Have we talked about eating brains before? Yeah, for sure. We have? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, I'm not I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not. I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows, cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get. Yeah I'm not familiar with that. Yeah. I know about Mad Cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas Some kind of disease . Oh, the screw worms. Screw worms. Yeah, yeah. We're talking about that. Which combined? New worlds worms. New horses, dogs. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, it's a bad it's apparently a huge problem. Yeah , they had it in America I think in the eighties and they pushed it back . They got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again, but it's apparently a really dangerous parasite. I don't know. It's a paras ite. So I mean , I got in trouble one time for saying people were having during the COVID thing, and they were taking ivermectin. You may have taken ivor mechtime. And I gave I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know . But Ivermectum, we I used to give it to the cattle. Right. That's what have. Yeah I. And I had a not speaking of brains, this is true. We're in Hawaii, I run into a brain surgeon . And he says, Are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, I had it, got over it . You know, I'm all right now and he says, Well, he says, Boy, he said, I take Ivor McMen. I said , Brain surgeon and I said to him obviously, I said really, you 're cattle dewormer Ibermac kills parasites . So I just left it at that and I walked in and go brain search . I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but yeah. Well, you know, Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings for use in human beings. No, I didn't know. Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever . It's an anti parasitic that also has antiviral properties . So I didn't know that. Obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are. Yeah, well I got in trouble for it. Or so did I. Well, I got in trouble like publicly, like on CNN, the White House talked about it during I got overcovered, you don't know the story. So and for the people that know the story, I'm sorry I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic , I got COVID and we had a me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it because I had COVID . And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had COVID. I was sick for a couple days, but now I'm f ine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one of the things that I took was Ivectan. Yeah. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated . So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse deewormer. Well, this human medication prescribed to me by my doctor who also took ivermectin, also got COVID, also got better and he didn't take all the stuff that I took. Yeah. I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on CNN No bullshit. Oh, no bullshit. Like I do. They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green. They would put a cowl's head over me . Yeah. I honestly did not know that a human in some takes cyberman. But I will say it's actually invented for humans. Yeah. I actually didn't know that. And I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that. Well, the problem was it was that was a narrative that was all over the news. Yeah, it was that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals with horses cows, only new as cattle. It is a dewormer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No, well, they use penicillin on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like it's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what Ivermectin is. It's it stops viral replication. And that's the benefit . But was it proven to stop was it proved? There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy that talk about it , but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take over maccines because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated and they don't over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money and that's what they did. Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money. A lot of money. A lot of money. So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up because I got caught in crossfires of the Ivor Mechton bullshit . And this episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Lots of places can accidentally expose you to identity theft, doctors' offices , online retailers, insurance companies , the list goes on. Thankfully, LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone could do on their own. Life Lock keeps an eye on your personal information, credit applications, finances, and more . 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I'm married to a doctor and my doctor said we're not taking him . But I took, you know , I'm one of those guys that if they say, I mean when I got COVID , I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox , felt fine . Felt fine. We got tested every Sunday morning, we got tested. They came in and said, You got to go, you gotta leave. What happened? Oh, you got you got COVID. Why'd you get sick? No. Oh, now here's the thing. Okay , here's the thing . The question that came to mind later was , okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's going to take me to the airport, how am I getting home? Right. Do I stay here in the hotel for ten, twelve days ? That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I did get sick. I got eventually. I did. Yeah. Yeah. It took me about four days and I got real sick . Yeah. Did you do anything during those four days? Were you taking vitamins? Nothing? No. Why not? I don't take vitamins. What? I really take vitamins. How come? You're married to a doctor. I never 'd t haveak toen vitamins. I don't know really? Even when you're playing? No, now I take a B twelve shot. Okay. I give it to myself. You give it to yourself. Yeah. Intramuscular. Yeah, okay. Little tube. We take it after bag. I'm satin' in a big bag, we take them. Okay. That's good for energy. Yeah, but there's tired, hot, tired, but no sure. Well , other vitamins too, though. I don't have a problem with MRI machines, pet scans , surgery. No, now I got a bad hip right now. I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me. Yeah. And I got it injected And stem cells within jungle. No, I don't do stem cells. Why not? I don't believe in stem cells. You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby, Jesus? Absolutely hope for you. No, this I do believe in. Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pouring at it. You better cut that last bro. You better shut down . Fishing, I'm gonna beg you to point that baby. No, no, no, no, no, no, I won't give you one. I got hundreds of these. If we go fishing, I really wanna point my way. . I believe that little baby Jesus works. My question is how you don't believe in stem cells . I had too many people based just on people that went and did stem cells. And what happened ? They went back and did it again. Okay , did it again. Right . Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Okay. Then what happened? What happened? They went back and did it again. Got it. Okay. Right. Why did they keep going back? Because it didn't work. Okay, it didn't work at all.mpt Somys came. No, no, no, it worked, it worked for a little bit. Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? They go back and back and back . Mostly knees on ankles. Okay. So you probably're talking about arthritis. Yeah, probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of a benefit in something like this that far gone. But stem cells work. I don't good. I'm glad I'm glad they work. You do stem cells? A hundred percent. What hurts? I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away. No, that's at least a year . That's what you say. At least a year. I had a full length rotator cuff tear . I got stem cells shot into it. Full tear. Full tear. My doctor told me I one hundred percent was going to need surgery. I went to orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended so they 're going to ask Joe, excuse me, please join me. But if I finish this, I'm probably going to believe you. You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor and he said have, You a full length rotator cuff table . You're going to need surgery. He goes, you could rehab it if you want, you could try, maybe make it a little bit better, but ultimately you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas, doctor Roddy McGee hooks me out with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, The rotator tuff tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. It literally the tear doesn't exist. Maybe Jesus in your pocket. No, I had science . All right, hey, it works. It'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. And the reason why so many people are doing it is like it's not a miracle. It's not gonna fix things that are unfixable. Like bone on bone arthritis. It's not gonna fix what I'm doing. But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again. When I got cancer , I had to do certain treatments and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still among rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now . I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having , but you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so do you want to risk that? Plus plus I kept getting all these cancer things . What do you do? So you had two types of cancer, right? You had skin. You had bladder and Mercil , which is two percent of America has two percent has Merkel sail. Both of them the bladder cancer was I went to a doctor in Dallas . He checked me and he says, Well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine. That's normal or something like that . And I kept complaining and as well. Finally, I told my wife, I said, boy, something's not right. So she researched and found that the best doctor was at Yale University, Yale. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing , went in, exploratory biopsy, came out and said, You got bladder cancer. Wow . It's a funny story about that funny story. There's nothing funny about cancer . But the last time I got divorced, you ever been divorced? No. Okay, good, good for you. So the last time I got divorced , my wife calls me and she says, I need for you to sit down. I don't love you anymore. I want to divorce. Oh , alright end of that story. Right? So my wife's the wife's sitting outside? After they get she gets the reports, I didn't know she got the report. She says , Honey, I need for you to sit down I ain't sitting down . They want another divorce. That's the first flat into my head. The last time I heard a woman telling me sit down, I need for you to sit down. My ass is out of there at five o'clock that afternoon. Ooh. Oh yeah . Boy. Hey , I said yeah, that was I wouldn't sit down. She said . She said, You got bladder cancer. And I said, All right, this one I get divorced. I do with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce. You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder? Let me ask you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells . She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was, but she had her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue , put it back in her body and now that's her bladder . So stem cells work. Did that make the news? Yeah, oh, sure. There's articles about peer reviewed patients. No, she has not been here nor has, the doctor that did it, but I'm aware of the story. It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl and then I don't know how they did it because I'm a moron, but someone someone very smart when it comes to stuff like that. Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder it works for you and you believe it or who am I to believe it? Like she's got a bladder. No, if you believe what fine, but I mean , I mean, fine. That's listen. Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me, I'll bring it away as to well, get some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, it fixed it. We're not arguing here. No, we're not arguing. But I'm saying, but I just there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places and they die in Tijuana . What was a great doctor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done? And who did that He was the ghost . What was his name? The actor . Also went to Mexico. Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America? Yes. So they were going to Germany . And they were going to Mexico. Yeah, Germany was a lot for Venicine, you know they were going for I know different perspective. French couples was going to Germany . Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany, Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany for Regenicine. Yeah, which is like a very, that's not stem cells as much. That's something is it? It's a very advanced form of platelet rich plasma like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me. Now, one of the things they're doing now and I don't know what it is. I don't know how we got on this, by the way , but stem cells. Yeah , but cancer is now what are they what is what's it called? Where you go in, they spin your blood and they then put it back in you What is that called? Do you have you know what it is? PRP? That's where we're just talking about. Plate rich plasma. Then get it and put it back in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting look. There's a well, there's a bunch of different plasma foresis, it's another thing they take the plasma out. I don't know why . And I'm not sitting here I'm not sitting here saying, Hey Joe, you're crazy . All right. You did it. You wouldn't be the first? No. You did it. You believe in it. It happened for you . You know , all right, I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long. Okay . You don't you put anything in your body with a needle? Anything? Not anything . I mean, I'm pretty careful about it. Yeah. I would hope so. Yeah, don't just try it out. Let's see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's look, I got a sister in law this one, that's totally this way and I'm totally that way and you're one way and I'm that's good. That's what I make . What a little sister in law do what do you mean? Well, what does that mean? She's she a liberal? No. Absolutely not. Very much Republican Conservative. Yeah. Okay. So how is she different than you? What? Well , if so if it works and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it . Right I was when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in a hospital and they take me and they isolate me. Isolate me because they didn't know what was wrong with me . Test, test, test, test . Boy, I'm in hurry then to go in and do I want to say stem cells. I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind . Went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home and I was home one day and in the middle of the night I'm screaming and hollering in pain My wife she gets up and thank God at that time I owned a plane so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida and got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis . And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with. So was it' onlys the knees? Yeah , only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never there's no there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None you might not rhyme to arthritis systemic. Don't when most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought. Well , yeah, but look at it, but if you have it in here , but look , this finger's just turning, that thumb's just now turning. My hands right now because I'm not I don't take any medicine , the only thing that hurts in the morning before I take I take a do you take celebrates? Do you believe in celebrate? What is celebratic? Anti inflammatory. No, I don't think. Okay, I take it inflammatory in the morning that's okay. I take anti inflammatory and that makes that takes about eighty percent of the pain away. It doesn't hurt anywhere else . Now my hip is starting to kill me Anko was killed. How about how many years did you play football for? fourteen? Fourteen professional. That's four that's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I and I played back in the seventies when I mean, come on. Yeah , she hit the fan back then. Right. What were the surgeries like that? You know, you know, I mean, it was tough. Yeah. Back then they shoot you up. You know, you're going to play. That's how it was. You're going to play when I pull my stomach muscles and they would shoot me up before the game and then at halftime I'd get shot up again. What were they stomach block? I torn torn the oblique. You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing. They didn't make me, but I wanted to keep playing. What were they shooting you up with? Courtison or Duff. I don't know. Stuff. Stuff. I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on , man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this. I could play, all right? I guess. I didn't have a problem with it. Okay. Scary . You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it give it didn't a thought at all, you know? It's just it's kind of the way it was. It was the unspoken bravado got it. Yeah. You know that yo players say back in the can you imagine the fifties and the sixties? Oh my goodness. Jeez, Louise . Well, what year did you start playing professionally? Seven, seventy seventy seven seventy seven seventy. Wow. I'm seventy seven. Wow. You're what? fifty fifty eight, fifty eight. Almost fifty nine. Yeah. I'm seventy seven . Yeah, super seventy eight . So you just didn't think anybody said, Well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it, it's normal. Normal. Yeah. It's all part of that. You play . And as a quarterback, I think back then or any time quarterbacks play. Coaches got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what . And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt . Y'all always play hurt. Yeah, I do, don't shoot me up stock it . Shoot me up with stuff. Yeah, let's have it. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you don't ask what it is. You just you want to hear we played Cincinnati one year and the night before the game , there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up . Whoa. Yo , yeah . It's just normal . And you don't know what they're shooting them up with? Well, we played, didn't I told you stuff And you didn't think anything of it, nobody. It was normal. Normal. Normal. You gotta play . Yeah . He's three. It's part of the, you know, and everybody hates, you know. Did they have steroids back then? Yeah , they did. Yeah, I just didn't I didn't know why one player was built like Atlas , skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know anything, you know , didn't know anything about it. Howie Long, you never had Howie on Howe's it No?, I've never had Howie's am azing. Now how he tells the story. He was a rookie defensive tackle or no defensive end at this time. He lined up over a tie end Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around and he was headed like a twenty two inch waist, massive legs, rips, every muscle. You could see the muscles in his most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his he put his arm, he put his arm down , you know, getting in position and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best and how he goes , you gotta be Elfin kidding me . He said he'd never seen anything like that . So I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was but he might have might have, I don't know. He might have . Yeah. Why are steroids enter into sport? Well, I think it I think it became an issue after the seventies correct? Well, it was an issue in the Olympics. And well, yeah, one of the things they were noticing Eastern Block women . They were gonna do an interview. Okay, Nancy , they were very womenly . Yeah . They seem to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life and not good for you. That's for sure. Especially for you at all and to take much hyper male for sure. You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change . All right , yeah, for sure. And go , you know, yeah, got to be kidding me. Yeah. And then I think rightly or ifiably so it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to say it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know a lot of guys have taken steroids , especially because of the early days of the UFC. Yeah. Everybody was taking steroids. Yeah, you can. And tried in Japan, everyone was taking steroids. Yeah, it not everyone, but most people a lot rampage didn't. But there's a good percentage Why found out what you found out later that stero ids are not good for you. They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and you never and then all of a sudden these athletes start having problems . They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt . And you know, I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons. Tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation. I don't think about steroids . I don't know the dynamics or the physiological physi que physics of it . I know the muscles get big. Right. But the tendons don't grow what it is the muscles. Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation, they don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured injured to heal . So what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles and they can move so much more weight but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times these guys wind up blowing out tendons. I mean that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys look like an adonis. Oh yeah, especially back in the day. Hey, Schwarzenegger, Schwarzenegger . Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You know, it took a lot of stuff. You know what ? We know it. Someone say it. Yeah. Yeah, we're not stupid. Well, that's a sport where it's required. If you want to be mister Olympia, it's no there's no way to get that kind of a body without storm it doesn't exist. What about the what about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that? I'm sure I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. But I'm sure those no, no. Okay. No, but I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too. That's how you get big. You know, and if you're a wrestler and you want to be on wrestling , if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure. There's one way to do it. You got to take steroids . You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain. And you don't get tested for it. Yeah , exactly . That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing . And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions and then eventually the UFC real ized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's testing because it's only one day. So it was really more they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test. Yeah . And so then they started using USATA and Usada would just randomly test people and then they started catching people. And that's when physiques really changed. Yeah, you know , that year I'll say that year when those baseball players were hitting sixty home runs like it was nothing. Yeah. And they look you're looking at 'em and you're going, she episode is sponsored by Better Help. Summer is great, isn't it? 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The Mark McGuire, Samuel Solsa days, Barry Bonds, yeah . Barry went from one hundred and eighty five to I met Barry when he was normal sized. Yeah, when he was like a normal athlete and then he just got giant. But also he was a great baseball player first and then you give him all those steroids and now he's got all this muscle and he's just cr acking them out of the park. Those the good old days they should have looked away . They should have turned their head away , I'll tell you what I don't see nothing. They should have everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go . That's from Joe Rogan later . I'll be back in a minute. The problem is it's the great American pastime and you don't want to associate the Great American Pastime with what people think is cheating . Yeah. Look , there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame and they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame. That's true. Barry's one of them Barry was a great player without it. Fantastic player. Mark was Mark McGuire. And so Sammy So , didn't need it. I don't believe maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed, maybe they didn't think they'd get caught. Maybe these guys got giant . I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice . They got enormous. Yeah, for sure . But you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time though. Yeah, fun time , you know , I remember people asked me they said, You didn't know your guys were on stairwells in hell . I didn't know what stairwise was. I remember one time I was at the Hall of Fame, someone that was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, Well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know, but not antibiotic steroids. Everybody took a cornisone. Yeah , I didn't I didn't correlate the two different the differences and one guy comes up to me. You idiot, it's there's two types at least that we know of, and I didn't know. Yeah. That's actually fun. You know what? Me tell you the truth. Tell me the truth. I'm glad I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like this. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, What's he on? I don't look I just held out of this they l'ifreting weights , brother. They're just lifting weights. God bless them. You know? Well, that's a good attitude to have. Yeah, and then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well , if that's the case, wasn't illegal . Everybody was doing it. Right. Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams run on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they can do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're going to take steroids. Especially when it's legal. Yeah, it's just you don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence it was. Well, every time the times ch ange when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you gotta have a bunch of people that want an edge. And you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Yeah , right. Yeah. Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take . It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for music. Blueberries are good for your brain. Blueberries are good for you. Franco Harris, she's to tell me, Brad , are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco , you're not gonna believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. Hey, it's good for your brain. Good for your brain. They are. And I love blueberries. Yeah. A lot of antioxidants in them too. Yeah, blueberries are just great period. But you know, when you're doing things for your body when you're a professional athlete , it's of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like yeah, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like what are we doing here? Think they do it today . Do you think they don't do it today? That's the real question. I asked you. They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they can get away with. These kids are coming out of high school. Well, there's also genetics, like people change. Well, kids, kids non days are eating better, training better, eating better understand better more nutrition. Exactly. Yep. Exactly. They're huge. They're huge . You know, I think my I think my offensive line in the seventies average about maybe two hundred and sixty, two hundred and sixty. Wow. sixty under pounds difference in today, right? Yeah. Now you love these coaches. My offensive line this year gonna be six five three seventy two and you go, Whoa Now can they move? And then they'll say something like, but got quick feet . Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet. It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the forty You been on sideline? I watched videos. I haven't been live. Go to the sideline. Go to the seven feet tall , four hundred and forty pounds. That 's feet crazy seven foot three hundred and eighty . Oh my God . Look at that as an eighth grader. Go back to that picture . As an eighth grader, he was six foot, ten, four hundred and fifty pounds. In fucking j unior high school junior high school . Yeah, I you know, I desmond Weston, look at the desmond Watson. Look at where four hundred and sixty four pounds. The heaviest play er. Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL. Yeah, NFL history . four hundred and sixty four pounds . That's so big. Here's what I'll say about my guys . My guys could put on their pants and that nothing rolled over. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, they were flat bellied. They were in shape because we ran we ran a urgame was all about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run and they ran . And if they were four hundred pounds, you can pull this guy. Right, right. Four pounds. I mean , so I'm if I were coached today , just my thinking, what I want? Yeah, I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gasers. Billy John Will,iams , William Earl, y'all go ahead and go in and get shower. No three hundred eighty, whatever they can. They can run gasers. Right. They can run gasers. Right. You don't run the mile we to had run the steeler mile every year and we got to training camp. Well, if you're three hundred and twenty five, thirty pounds, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started and I turned to Howey, Howie's always at we're always together and I went, holy Isn't there a utility though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big giant dude that maybe can't run gasers, but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you run into a brick wall. Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards. That's what I'm saying. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, but that wasn't how I was brought up. Right. I understand. That wasn't what I was taught. But obviously you're a fan of the game still and you still watch the game. Yeah. How much has the game changed from when like nineteen seventy first year Talking about it , but like , but would you imagine that the guys from nineteen seventy would fit right into today's game. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no , size Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at two hundred and seventy five Division Tackle two hundred and seventy five . Jack Lambert two hundred and eighteen, admitted linebacker, hall of famer. Jack was Jim Brown as Prime. Jim Brown, I never played against Jim Brown. He was before you time. Big was Jim Brown. Probably to what two hundred and twenty, maybe two hundred and fifteen. Isn't that crazy? Yeah . So I always say size wise we can't do it. And then of course if you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. But right. Size wise, size wise. Now, I will say this , the wider severs, the quarterbacks and running backs could play today and probably the tight ends. But within when you get my center weight two hundred and fifty two and I always say since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull . I'll take my Angus bull or your Charlet Bull anytime. Your Charlet Bull is going to be or cement is going to be huge up off the ground, but my Angus Bull is going to get under him and be able to control him with with technique. And wait a minute, you got bulls fighting each other, is that what you're saying? No, Joe, you're not listening. Try to listen . You're okay. You get some rest last night just led. Okay, good fully rested. You got to be a big , right? Yeah. Got a big bowl. The little bowl here . He's already got the leverage 'cause he's under the big bowl. Got it. The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little ball where he's got all the mass and the weight out numbers. Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime. Right? That's a bad sucker. Bad as bad as it gets. Bad, badass man ever. He came at a restaurant I was in and he saw me and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was an oil and I'm sitting over here next to the wall and then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle, and we talked about Johnny Anyonis for an hour. Wow . Mike Tyson, that's pretty cool. Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes. You know, I mean the guy studies he studies warriors and athletes and former generals and he's really Oh he knows, so much about Jenkus Khan. Meaning, we had this long conversation. He knew his original name Temwich Khan. Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I got pretty obsessed. And there's a guy named Dan Carl in. He's got a fantastic series Hardcore History. Yeah. It's a podcast. And he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that got me obsessed. That opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries and I got obsessed. Yeah, I'm huge documentary guy. But he knew so much about Gengis Khan, he knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies conquers, you know? He's like really know that. Yeah . Yeah. He's a very smart guy. The people would know that. Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not he's not what people think of. If you think of Mike Tyson as being this like mindless destroyer and he's very intelligent. Yeah , you ever , you ever you ever think about why do why do athletes have an image? My image was the dumb guy . You ever have you ever asked yourself a question why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him. But prior to that , that wasn't out in the press, was it? No, I mean maybe later in his career, but you'd have to you'd watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally and if you weren't a student of boxing , you wouldn't understand like the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good . Like it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middle weight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy short Jacobs a short shut there you go. I have eleven in his god. There was the very heavy. Where was the pool issue right? Like twenty inch neck. I mean, he was a tank and he was his manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchel to Jack Dempsey , like all the old time fighters, and Mike would watch those on a re all day long. So he would train and they would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters, all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the eighties . There was no there was no VHS tapes, you know, there was there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So when Mike when Mike was like thirteen . So Mike was thirteen years old and he's watching film of the greatest sugar Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pepp, Rocky Marciano, he's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like it takes intelligence to do that. Like it's not a, that's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see oh when he does this it's because of that so he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm gonna incorporate that into my training and figure out how to how to find those patterns inside . I always thought 'cause you hear a counter punch . Do you know how hard it is ? And I'm not a boxer , but when someone switch you watch their training and then and then they're like, when does this counter punch , do you know how fast that you know how fast that brain? Oh yeah. Fest the work for you to counterpunch. Oh, you have to be lightning fast. Lightning fast . And you have to have trained it a thousand times. You wanna be hit all day long in the face and the stomach and it's a tough way to make a living, but so football and especially back when you guys were playing when they were just shooting up different for sure, but not boxing, holding. I'm at I'm at Mohammed Ali one time . I was six three and a half. I'm six one and a half now . And I was looking up to him and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed . And you know , we got a we had a great first time meeting . He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it and I was like, that made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at, and he had sent notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well , you know, I'm gonna bother him and I'd go down Hey, hey, hey Champ, how are you doing? Terry Bradshaw , yeah, hey, have you heard this one? He tell me a joke . A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. Yeah, but I love Muhammad Ali. That was an incredibly incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking. And we hated him first . I didn't like him. Did you like him? I loved him, but I didn't like him. I was younger when I didn't like him. I grew up in an era of respect . You respect your opponent . You don't say anything bad about him. You give them all the praise when it's all said. You respect your opponent. You don't show boat. You don't do anything, you don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I was raised and that's how and actually the way I was coached . And I had a hard I had a hard time , a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone. He'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all and Billy Whitehouse is a he's a good dude, you know ? And but I don't like it. I just don't like I don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself . If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because it's you . But when you're playing a team , a team event, everybody somebody else had to do that job too. Right. I just had a hard time. I see what you're saying. Yeah. In the team sport, but in boxing, boxing is just one on one. But I still didn't like it even in boxing. Bragging . Yeah. And now I look back now, of course, I love it now. Yeah , but he knew what he was doing. Well, it's psychological warfare . Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Listen so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in like the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. Yeah, he was just fucking with that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and like making sure that all day long he's thinking about him and and he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's like worry that you're around this insane person. Well , you ever see the video with that listen, if you can do if you can do that and back it up , which he did. He did . Then I tip my head to you. Do you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino? No. So Sonny Listen was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards and Mohammed Ali came back when he was Cash' Cslay came up behind him and he starts granting rabbin and saying crazy shit and get and Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun , but he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him. So he said, I'm going to scare the shit out of this. You think you want to play crazy? Let's play crazy. See if you can find that video Jamie. The video is amazing. It's amazing because he just pulls his and then he shows he like shoots, here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab his headphone . Yeah, pull it up, pull it bring it back to the gun. Get it. Drawing a gun. Someone who Yeah, the whole situation finally came to a head when Cl ay approached Listen at the desert inn in Las Vegas where the champ was shooting craps and losing . Listen was in no mood to be haranged by the mouth from the south . Drawing a gun, Sunny fire, frightening his young tormentor into a hasty retreat . The opening was filled with blanks. So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank . That is crazy though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny? He had that crazy brother. That's pretty smart. Is it? Yeah, because like you got this guy's acting crazy like I'm gonna out crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody but, I'm going to out crazy him and give me a gun with some blanks and just pull it out in the middle. Alex Bawin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean, it's yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns. Yeah, exactly. But what? That wasn't even Sunny Listen. What do you mean that wasn't sunny Listen? That absolutely was Sunny Listen. It says it's from a movie That's funny. Dramatizing, retelling his own life. The man with the gun is an actor not saying let me see that. It was a movie set . What? That's what it says. So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened. There's no real footage of Listen firing a gun at Ali. Not Crimatic Clip circulating online, the one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a nineteen seventy seven film called The Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again . Can I see the video again? That's crazy. That's crazy out of this war. That's sunny listening. You're listening to a narrator talk and this one even has a narrator wasn't the narrator. Wasn't Sunday Listen Bald? No, no Sunny Listen wasn't bald. No. Oh, that isn't Sunny List. Well, the video's so blurry . All right, there you have it. Wow , that's not Sunny Listen. Oh my God, I'm feeling such a dumbass . Find footage of Sunny Listen training. So he was for back in the day he was the scariest heavyweight. Sunsny Liston was the guy. He was when he in prison. What's that? When he in prison went to prison? Yeah, he went to prison . But it was the way he won the title , the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson, it looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good, that good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was going to get killed because you know, Ali was a very good fighter. He was up and coming fast really fast with his footwork and his movement but everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor, is that the actor that was in Magnum PI ? I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E Mosley. Yeah, Magnum PI. Aha . Look at you. Look at me. You proud of yourself? A little bit. I'm feeling slightly better now, but I'm ashamed of it. I realized that that wasn't actually Sunny Listen. So find some footage of Sunny Listen training . Even on this, some of this, I think, has already got some AI footage in it, but oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the bag there's Honey and this footage of Sonny hitting the bag and he would just put these holes in the back. He had just murderous punching power . He was such a dangerous guy and everyone was scared of him back then. You know, because he was this towering, hulking figure, Dr. Buddhatti had massive hands . And I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Listen was putting people away . I mean, he had look at the size of his hands, just gigantic hands and tremendous power . But, you know , Ali figured out a way to just leave the snack the punch that took him out was even that big a punch. That's the second fight. That's the Lewis and Maine to fight one. Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that so he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary. Yeah, you ever boxed? I did some boxing. I did. I did it. I did it. I did it. Toxing, but I didn't do anything work. Yeah, get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want to be part of that but I boxed one time one round. Yeah. And I said that's it. That's it. Yeah. Oh, again, it's like cooking. It's like cooking duck. It's you got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're gonna be good at it. I wasn't good at it . Not only that . I don't want to be hit. Yeah. Yeah, not fun. Well, back in the day in your day, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no like take a game off, get evaluated . No , nothing. Concussion protocol. Hop right back in, son. Are you right? I played against the Minnesota no the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game and I got knocked out and I mean knocked out and I guess I came to in the fourth quarter . I went back in. Played pretty good too. Wow. Not that lost the game, but yeah. So they went under woke up and then they put you back in after you woke up. Well, something like that. I went out in the first quarter, I think, I scored on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out and came back in the fourth quarter. , different . Different. Different. Oh yeah. Nowadays if a player gets knock ed out, how much time do they make them take off? They go into a tent and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL . So they they'll tell you get him out and they go into a tent and they get evaluated more and likely if they've been stunned, they're not going back in. How much time do they make them take off before they let them play again? But they have to get evaluated every week so great . It could be your what is that? Little baby cigars. So when you don't want to finish a big one, oh little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos. Oh, okay like these sometimes . All right , so but when they do that and these guys are kaoed today if they get knocked out. Do they have like a thirty day rule it's not thirty days but they do go it's a week they go in they keep getting evaluated keep getting evaluated and they have to you have you'll have some guys there's no set timeline for discovery There you go. Well for recovery rather players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms symptom limited activity prescri,b ed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise . So with the UFC when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them like it's a ninety day hold and then some of them have like sixty day no contacts so they're not even allowed to spar for sixty days get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that if the best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school . A guy by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Miden high school. I'm rolling to the right and I think the ball hits my leg and it hits the ground and it's going broom Broom and I'm chasing it about the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it and pick my head up boom out . I don't remember anything . And then I'm back in the game and I mean, it's the best game I' playveed in high school . Bet Joe, that serious. Best game best game I've played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried. I don't know, but that's what I was going to ask you. Crazy. You know, and I wonder if that I went and listen, I went I've been to a couple of clinics just for just for brain work , just get checked out. Yeah, all the tests that they could possibly do, extensive test I was having trouble remembering did I open the gate? Did I open the gate this morning? Right, right. I did. I opened the gate. I'm sure I opened the gate and I push the button and when the button's green, the gate is moving . And then it goes red, it stopped. I mean, it goes yellow, it stopped. Then I push a button. It goes red, it's holding. It's staying open . Six times. I remember six times. And I'm like, did I push this button . Then I remember I remember, okay, there's something wrong with that. Someone got checked. Yeah. How long ago was this? Years ago. Years, thirty plus years ago. And did they do something for you? Colley, did they No, I don't think so. I don't think I don't think anything came from . I remember testing I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was which was not a shock er, but was a shocker because I think everybody has that. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's any good at anything, has it? Yeah . Creative people have ADD. Creative people and people that are like really into one thing. Yeah, like full on into it. Well, they said we're focused on this yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused. Right. When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem. I'm exactly focused. But if I'm taking geometry, you're going to jump. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. No interest. Exactly. No interest. Yeah. So yeah, so that if I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus. I mean, you got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people. Right. And I know you got to be interested in them . You have to be interested. Yes. You gotta be interested . But there's people that don't have a problem being interested in they can study anything and God bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have to be interested in one of them. You had Bradley Cooper on. Love Bradley Cooper. Yeah., he did He's awesome with the brand guy, the Adam Baum, Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer. He was in that movie? Well, he's right, he directed it. That's right. And he was in it. He was he directed it, right? I think no, he did. He did, right? He did direct it . What's that? That's right. It's Christopher Nullan directed. Directed. But Bradley was in Oppenheimer? Yes. Yes. What was his role? He's been at so many things . What is he in Operanheimer? Okay , oh bad. What are you thinking about? The music guy . Yeah. He directed that and starred in it. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I wasn't agree with you. I was like, What was Bradley and Oppenheimer? I haven't seen in a couple years. I was just checking to see if you were paying attention . That dude who played Oppenheimer Series he won an oscar. Did he win an Oscar? At least he was up for Sir Murphy, right? Yeah that guy is phenomenal in what? Sillian Murphy. Sillian Murphy. Well, anyway, he's phenomenal and peak blinders. Anybody that can act has got my attention Cooper Bradley's Well, real acting, right? Real acting. Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty good. And you were probably Joe, right? I played Joe. And not Terry Bradshaw. I've done like five movies. And he was like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm no actor. But like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting, whoa, that's him . That's crazy. Yeah , that's crazy. That's Bradley. My God , he was gonna make up he was amazing in that movie. Isn't that crazy that could make it look that realistic? That is nuts . Leonard Bernstein. Hell, there you go. Yeah. You see the movie? Amazing. Did you see it? I did not. Oh. When you hand him home here, did you tell him you saw it? I did not. I would have probably . I'd be like, oh yeah It's like I had a guy we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years . I didn't know his name and this buddy of mine . How you doing get over here I'm like he knows this guy and they're going on give me give me that give me a hug give you son of a gun and for why he did this I'll never know . He goes , What's my name ? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, Oh my God, this is hilarious. What is hilarious? He didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue. Well, he probably forgot if you left the gate open too . May I have. Give the guy a break. May have. Give the guy a break. Let's stick out a few heads . If you know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this. Look, I don't what's your name again? Joe? Joe . Hey, I may ask you again . What your name is . And then I may ask you again , but I'm going to get your name right . I don't want to sit here and and not know people get me out with that. That's why I don't think people should get I don't think they go to get 'cause here's what 's the thing that happens to people and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. Do you know you know do what Dunbar's number is? No. Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people. You get all this. I just remember somebody to tell you this. Somebody Oh definitely I didn't study it. Oh , this is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain . Oh yeah which one are you? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, where are you? Where do you mean? Where are you in the five you are zero, your patient's zero and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. Okay. And then fifteen are your sympathy group . They're not quite as close as like the closest people to you, but they're pretty close . And then there's a close network of fifty people. Then you have a personal network of one hundred and fifty people . You have five hundred acquaintances and then fifteen hundred people that are recognizable. You know what's funny? I make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is, oh, he's friend of mine. I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Wenckler. Henry Winkler. I did a movie with him once. Great guy . Sweetheart. my wife says, and I'll say I have his number. I have his number in my phone. My wife. And I do have Henry's number, but I'll say , Well, Sona, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend. I do the same thing. Yeah, yeah. It's just my wife will say when you talk to them last . Well , I haven't these people I haven't talked to for years and years and years Yeah. Yeah, I like a lot. Friendly guy. Yeah, I like a lot of people . I do , but in my circle we all surround ourselves, our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cat tle, horses and cattle . The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine . Howie , different , Kirk Minafie, different , different , different. I work with him. I love being around him. him, tell I love I have a habit of telling you I love you. Joe you man. I love you too. I love you man. And it's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we're seeing do you really love him? I do it means no, what it means is I like you more than I just like. He's just yeah, I love him. Elevating you a little bit here. And my wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number? I said, Yeah, I got their number. And they're friends of yours. Yeah, their friends the last time they talked to them? Well, I hadn't talked to them in a few years . Hey, but if your friends now, sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I'm friends with. If I see 'em, I'm gonna hug them. But I haven't talked to them in years. You ever told someone this , you ever told someone this , hey, you know what, before you became really famous, we used to be really close and now we're not You ever said that ? No. Okay, I have. So before when they're famous famous or you're famous? I'm Joe, I've been famous a long for time. Long time . Long time. Yeah. Yeah. Long time. Long time. But I've actually my problem is if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like 'em. Begin with them. Yeah . And then you don't ever hear from them. But if you text them, they fire right back . And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I? I take it personal. Do you really? Yeah, I do. Okay . Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive stuff like that. I mean if you say if we swap numbers today before I leave I'm going to text you and say, Hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's it deer? How's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine and we get along great. And then two or three months ago, I hadn't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how you doing? Mansk goodid see. I mean, how you doing? Also you get upset if you're the one always initiating. I don't want to always initiate. I don't understand. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me . And that's insecurity. I know I just finished this book and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case. Well, you're a very friendly guy. I am. Yeah. I wish I weren't. Why? I don't know why I like being friends. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story? Yeah, here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain because that's you got to block the pain . And so you go on a ninety day trial and error. So I'm doing I do the steroids and I'm eating my ass. I'm boy Boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like sixty pounds. Whoa, huge. Go to my wife and I are in K Mart . Nice KM. It's closed down, but it's really nice Kmart . So we're in there and we're getting stuff for the house and stuff. And we get we're going down the aisles and people are going, Hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm on stair roads. I put on quite a bit of weight as you probably can see it. You know, I'm a little embarrassed, but it's gonna get it balanced out. Oh yeah, sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking I'm on steroids. I got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and gets balanced . And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe , three or four times in Kmart . So we walk out getting a car. My wife who loves me to death says, honey , honey, honey, listen . When people say , how you doing, Terry, they don't want to hear about sterile . They don't want to get rubber dired. They just want to hear it. How are you doing? They don't care. They recognize you and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I went , am I really am I really doing that? She said, Yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed , Joe. I'm like, oh , oh my god, I can't believe it . We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new target, massive target, awesome target, you know, yeah. Now you don't shop at these places, but I do. I shop at Target. Do you? Yeah. I love Target. You go to Walmart? I've been to Walmart. Been to Walmart . It's been a couple years Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas in Walmart, and we get dressed up and put a suit on and we go to Walmart . That's nice. Anyway , so we go to Target and I got my wife's daughter told me . So we go to target where I'm pushing the buggy and we're going down the aisle. Hey , Terry, how you doing ? How am I doing? I said, man, you're not gonna believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis and I've been taking steroids and I'm really put on a lot of weight and really puffy. Now I stand up, Joe, no kidding . And I lean down and I pull my pants leg up where my sock is and I push my sock down and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding. Right ? And when I put my hand down And I see that re I start laughing I can't help myself. I just started laughing, you big idiot give a shit if you can't rumatoid star I was so embarrassed but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me, caught me. Well, you're just a genuine guy. Yeah Nothing wrong with that. No, nothing wrong with that. No, that's not apologizing. Yeah . But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite. Is your wife super friendly? She's friendly. Yeah. She's friendly. Yeah. Is she friendly as you? Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah. Can you go anywhere in Austin and yeah, I mean you talk to a lot of people. You don't talk to people, but most people are really nice. yeah, most people are just happy to see it and say, hey, how you should shake your hand? Yeah, give you some knuckles. Yeah. Take selfie? Yeah. Yeah. Take a selfie. Yeah, I like selfies . I mean, I don't see what the problem is. There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy. Yeah. And but that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about your Terry Bradshaw, how many people have you met in your life? You probably met a million people, like literally a million people. But if you were if you were in bad shape right now , you got people you'd call, you got a handful you could call. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. They really care about you. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But that's how everybody is like a handful. Yeah, a handful that you really care. And you know what ? To take care and curture your friendships that are really close takes effort. It does. And if you fifteen or twenty, you don't have any time, man, you wear yourself out. I think we all we start here and we yes . Yeah. Well, well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately. Man, a lot, are you kidding? Yeah that is have you ever have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your a buddy and then that sucker fif,teen or six , whatever and just boom. Some of them, yeah, there you go. Whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's happened. then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry . I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I'm sorry. Look, I told you. I'm sorry. I had no Then they do it again . Look , I said I'm sorry and then hang up and that's it. Well some people just don't want to be happy and some people they don't and they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or someone wrong them or something 's disrespectful or something. Yeah , it's just distractions. Yeah. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality This just happened yesterday. Did you? I'm not gonna mention their name 'cause they're okay . So I tell this person , they had a stallion of mine, a young two year old and they were showing it and they did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the world show, which is the Super Bowl , but he needed another year of growing training. I brought him home crazy about these people, been with them years . I mean The trainer was my first trainer ever, and that's been forty something years ago. Anyway , so I'm over there. They came to church. I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago and they came and I asked them, come, I'm singing in church. And they said, Okay, great. So they came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher. And they said, We're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday . All right. They came back yesterday. We have a meeting and greet duringing the service, and I got up and went, oh man, it's great to see you and not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Bradley and saw Bradley fell in love with him and I sent him home with him. He's gonna show him Oh Bub it wasn't pretty . Got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset . And I just cold chills went over and went. And I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer and they got this horse looking as good as he could get. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer and I'm telling them, Hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt them and it was obvious that they were very one of them was really upset with me in church and so preachers up getting ready started and I had to go get back in my seat. And then when I told Tammy and my wife, I said, Holy cow, man , I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I said this horse was someone to the trainer. And I said, god, I would have never done that. I would have never done that . Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that, not a word, but since they had the horse, I figured it was no big deal, right? Right. My horse do really what I won't . Throughout the service, which was a great service I was picking up on what the preacher was saying I found myself during that service. You ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them because I couldn't stand the fact that I'd upset them so much. So when the service was over there and they were going and grabbed I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking . I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't you know, you're and I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and make that right just, well, that's great . Terry, that means you're a good guy. That's great. So yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care if you were like, I screw them. What's wrong with my service? That's because I'm driving a long way that's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better and absolutely. And I bet you did make it right. And I didn't do it. Perfect of course. Well, sometimes people don't think , you know that I mean some people ever done that gone to someone and said hey , I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was and I want you to know he was my best friend at the time and we have not spoken since . That's now some people are not kind. That's not on me. No, that's on him. That's on him. Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people. And generally those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person. This guy's life not a mess, but I just why is it so look? It's you tell it look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me . You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting in your process, hey, are you okay with this or anything? And I'm gonna tell you, you know what? No, I'm I not'm not. okay with that. Well, then I would apologize. That's what I'm my point is. And if you said piss me off, I would think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately too. You've already said, I'm a good guy. I'm not gonna do that. People don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part. Some do, some people do, but those people you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them. No. But when you're close to someone , you love someone, you gotta have some forgiveness. You gotta realize that people are human and humans. Friends for as long as I have been with this one person . I have another question. What was the issue? The issue was I made fun of them on the golf course . She's that's it. Yeah . I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I suck. I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. Now I love to play and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little five dollar bet and this is not much. Right. But I love that to say, oh, not a shot. You know, it's fun. Me. Me. I know I'm an asshole. Right. You know the bad side of you, right? You know that your bad side. I know mine . I know mine. Yeah, I my wife calls it Roy. Oh, you have a different guy inside of you. What is that movie True grace. Primal fear. Oh God and it's you know it looks at me at the end you go had me fooled. You go holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when I I was 'm going into a dog 's character. Yeah. Roy. Yeah . I think it was Roy was great. Oh, that turn at the end. Oh, I hug. Did have you fool? Yeah. Oh, I'm locked a hundred percent. It was like, what? I know . That movie, I'm like, whoa, whoa. That's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him in on the Yeah, very interesting guy. Yeah I find actors in general very well , they're really good ones. They are Cooper, I love . McConaughey, I've done a movie. I love. He's great. Great guy too. Who else do it? George very smart. Yeah, very smart. George Foreman, we did a show together called Better Late than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years. Really? Never got to know him in two years. How come to hetally didn't associate with any of us? We had lunch. He'd said over here with his son. Had dinner sit over here with his son. It could be. I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank. He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher. Right. I asked him one time. I said, George, how big's your congregation? He said, one hundred twenty . I said, Really, how long you been doing this? I think he said something, maybe twenty years or something. I said 'cause I've been taught as a Baptist and as a preacher, your congregation grows, right? Right. Your congregation grows . And I said, So how many hundred and twenty? I said, Oh, wow, it's small. I said, You build and you grow and he said, No, one hundred and twenty is enough . And I went, one hundred and twenty is enough. I said Sir George , when do you start preparing your sermon? You start on Tuesday like most preachers? No . Oh, you know , so when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday ? No , so when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says , When I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say. Wow , okay, you gonna argue with George Forman, I'm not, but I'm like All right, brother Yeah, I'm not arguing. But yeah, he was I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly , but he was just it was blocked. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time. He's probably figured out how to block people out. And also he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for ten years and you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know , he knew better when he lost the thrill in Manila. He knew better. He was rumble in the jungle. Yeah. Okay. Well , yeah, that was . They both rhyme. Yeah, they definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right? Yeah,. Oh wow. Yeah, he knew how to promote a food. He knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing . But he said I was so tired . Yeah . And I went, you're a kidding. He said, Yeah, he said the hit the hit was nothing , nothing . But he went down and he just ain't got him down. I can get some air and get some breath . He was definitely exhausted. Oh, that was a but he knew strategy. He knew what was going on . He but he thought with his power he'd break a rib or something, you know? Well, he had so much power. Oh, I mean, when he fought Joe Fraser, he l ifted him off his feet with a punch . I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. He hits so hard. Yeah, George. How can you be that quick? I mean, that big . Yeah . Well, that's his job. Impressive man. Oh, he was very impressed. Yeah . I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose just like the Sunny Listen fight. Yeah. And it was such a upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out. Really? Because Ali was his hero and he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. they flew him over there to cover that fight. So you slew out your intelligence on me throwing me a curve ball I'm going, oh yeah, hunter. Okay, yeah, okay who's Hunter? No idea. Who that guy was? You don't know Hunter S Thompson? Why would I know him? You don't he never know him the Gonzo journalist Hunter S Thomson. No, very famous . Is he in the quarter horse journal? The Angus Weekly No , no , he's the guy from Fear and Lothing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book? No, the movie Jo thathnny Depp, Fear and Loting in Las Vegas, where you played Hunter Thompson. He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works. Really? It's a fantastic listen. When I was for Hunter Thompson, he was amazing. I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex wife, and I went to a big cattle sale. So I said to your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now I just played it off , all right . I didn't want to embarrass myself . But then I got to think, I don't know who this guy is. Now you answered who he was, but I didn't care. You know, I get it. So I go to this cattle sale. This auctioneer and I, this auctioneer's out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex wife there, the auctioneer and a couple of his ring stewards, you know, and we're sitting there talking. So I ask a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioner , what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff. He Terry, we're really hitting the home run right now with limousines . Limousines. You see my brain, I'm at a cow auction . And he's a cow auctioneer . Right. He's not supposed to sell cars. Right. Cars. And you think cars? Limousines. That's what I would have thought. That's what I'm saying. I was about I was about to say to him , Oh my go, dod you mean to tell me you sell cars ? And my ex wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars? And he goes, Oh, sweetie . And I'm like, funny chat thereby. That's a liberty. That doesn't want to dumbass . And he goes, No, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle. Oh, that's a lie. There you go. There's a limousine right there . You know what I like about this show? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. It's Jamie. Jamie, you're an amazing man. He's the best. When he's sober, he is numb better. Sure. When he's over? When he's over. You should see him when he's drunk. Oh my gosh. Even better. But anyway, I thought , you know , I should write a book about some of these stuff, but you should. I should. Why not? I don't know. I think I got enough time. Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell all these stories. Yeah, you think nobody would care about these stories. Sure they would . Absolutely. Edit them up, do a good job with the editing. Should a it p startodcast ? Yeah. No, I don't. Terry Bradshaw experience? No, I don't think No. No. You know, you know what? Joe, listen , you started doing this fifteen years ago or something? Something like that? Yeah. Do you have any idea it would be like this? No , no . So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcast going on? Well, you would only do it if you like doing it. I would not like doing it. Well, then don't do it. I don't want to look, I got enough . I got enough on my plate right now. Don't do it unless it seems interesting that you do. Besides that, who's gonna come on my show? A lot of people would come on the Terry Brad Show. I don't think. I came on your show when you had a TV show. Did you? Yeah, what show was that? T You had aV show? Yeah. Yeah, I was on it. I was a guest. When I had the Fox show, the whatever that talk show thing you did was . Get out. Yeah. You were one of my star guests? I was a guest when I was on news radio . That was a sitcom. Yeah. Oh well . I believe it was news radio. It was a long time ago. Oh, I remember No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh no, no, no. Yeah, you were great, by the way. I loved him, man. You were great. We talked about limousine cattle. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hotter Thompson. What did you drink? Coffee now. It was a hoop smart. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun show. I know I don't remember you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast. I did a radio show once. How was that? It was good. It's good, but it was just hard to get people. Really? Yeah . That doesn't make sense to me. Wow. Where were you doing it out of? L. A. Oh, there's so many people in LA. How was it hard? When I had a daytime show in L couldike In't get anybody . Really ? I got Whoopi Goldberg one time. What were you laughing for? How was she ? Was she funny? Yeah, she was a black She was. She's the biggest thing we ever had fun she's done on the view. Yeah, right . I don't know. All those hands get together and I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside , hug it. Whoopi is that you really I had Charlton Heston? Now you're talking. How was he? Oh fabulous. Yeah I couldn't the show could I could have done three hours . I was just fascinated with. He was so nice . You know, is there anything worse, Joe than thinking you and that's my understanding you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with No, if I'm not interested in , so I'm very honored to be here today . But can you can you imagine? Can you imagine having people alone that are just jerks . And are interviewing them and it's like, oh God , where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just God . That's just but yeah, but Charlton Heston had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave him the whole I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him. It was awesome kind of like this. He was amazing. Yeah. He was like one of the first big actors that was like publicly conservative. Remember he was like did the NRA caught hell for that. Yeah. Yeah. Was he the head of the NRA one pointT?O No, no, no, it was a part of the NRA. Part of it, I think he did something with the NRA. Yeah, yeah, but he was yeah, he was huge. He famously was like, You can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers from it yeah, my brother has, I don't know how many guns. And what do you do with all those guns? Man, you got to have guns. I said , Gary , he's got those rifles that shoot five thousand rounds in ten seconds . You know , what are those things called? ARF fifty. Yeah. He's got five or six hours. What do you do with all those guns? No, we're gonna need a gun . There's a lot of people like that in this country. Oh my god , they are. Yeah . And I got a I got a I got? I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns. You don't shoot guns at all? No, no, no. My wife wanted to let me put a gun by the bed. I've been I've been burglarized six times. Have you really? Yeah. I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when it's you get shot at a shot withg un, flames come out of the gun . Flames and I'm running I'm running the backyard to get in my car and this guy goes around the backside boom . And where was and babies ? And I get in the old GTO nineteen seventy GTO yellow and black toes. Big get her done, yeah, boys. Nice. And I got in, but I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse, you go down, right ? Pull it down. I turn around. I hit the brake. I go forward right in through the wall realized you got to go and click. Yeah, it was not good, not good, but my wife won't let me keep anything . So where did you get burglarized six times? Rustin . Rustin, Louisiana, R edsfield, Louisiana, on my ranches. Yeah. On your ranches? Yeah , so they came onto the ranch. Yeah. How big was the ranch? four hundred acres at the time. So they had to do some driving to get to the house. And they had to go through the gate , the gate, the gate I locked . So how did they get in and you ever let me tell you something, you are laying bed at night and it's one AM in the morning and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house . All right , and a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this . I can't even begin to tell you, you can't breathe. And you don't. And I'm laying down like this and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too young to know this. Remember , well, the princess phone , you know what the prince' phsone is? Prince's phone? You know everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kind of shit up here and you don't know what a prince's phone. Do you know what are you saying? Are you saying prince' phone? Princess Princess Prince Princess phone. It's a phone. It was one of the first push button phones. You didn't have to click. Okay. It's princess . So I took my hand. Look at you . It doesn't princess phone. There you go . Thank you so much. Did you know what that is, Jamie? No. Hey, look, look, look, Joe, I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess' phone. I take this receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dials and I dial T my uncle who lives two hundred yards away, I get the phone. Pull up to the microphone so people can hear I pull up I pull the phone up. I'm laying back trying so you can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby , I got a burglar. He's at my he's at my bedroom window. He says, All right, I'm on my way. I take the phone down it is . And you can see the guy here's Michael coming and this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through the I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kids. Same place. No, different place. Wow in college, tearing up my tearing up my dishes in my kitchen . He was looking through the dish . He was making noise only thing I could fear was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in a Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town . Come to find out this guy was living in the attic over the office . So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of beer up in the office. So only thing I could figure Sharon Right, but he ran me off or he might've just been driving. I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. I would have been to find out. But you 've come home, I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house taken off. Same house? Yeah , yeah.. Six Six of these I had. Geez. They've been shot at . So you were running away from these guys. His name again, I forgot. Jamie. Jamie, young. Jamie. One more time, son. I'm ask you going to what your name is , okay ? All right, one more I told you three times, right? All right, I got you down now. So this same place, why did you keep getting broken into this one place? I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradsh aw they want to come in and know the guy came down. He stole all the he stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the all the chainsaw , he got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out . No security? No , no. No security system, nothing. No. I got dogs now. And now I have had since Tammy and I twenty two years now and I got a guard dog , but I will not leave my wife at home . My wife my wife and I in twenty two years have been apart two days . I will not leave without my wife. What kind of guard dog did you get? German Shepherd, a guy in from Wayne Samanovich in South Carolina. Okay so you got a train. I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him I got a female this year. Her name is, um we named her after the Viking character Freya Freya the Queen. Freya. So I'm going to breathe those because I'm tired of spending twenty thousand dollars someone over raised my guard dog. Nice. Yes. And you know what's great about 'em? They're guard dogs . They don't play with them. Right. You don't play with them. You don't rough 'em, you don't grab 'em, you don't tackle 'em, you they don't mess around. Right. They don't mess around. They're serious. Yeah. They're serious. They're very serious. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You got a dollar. Yeah. What do you got? I have a golden retriever. I love 'em. They're great. But I mean he ain't garden shit. No, I know you're playing. Hey, I'll come in. Yeah, there's ice cream up there. I'll open it up. We'll share it. He'll let everybody in. Oh, I have another dog. I've got eight Dachshunds . I have another dog that's King Charles Cav alier. What those are the little tiny dogs. Oh my God, he's so adorable. Yeah. He jumps in the pool and he 's just started he's a year old and he started swimming over the last couple months and he gets so excited that he whines like you think he's in pain or something. He's talking . He's talking to you. Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water. Really? Oh, he loves it. Two of my dogs talk constantly . Oh, really? Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these , these two they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One a bl'acks miniature docks and the other one is a Australian shepherd looking, black and tan, you know, spotty . They are precious . But baby girl likes to get on my chest. When she's got to go outside, she gets on my chest , put her chin right under my mouth . And I wake up. And I know exactly what's going. And I sit there and I go , what time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come off . Oh my god, it's eleven o'clock. You got to be kidding me. I'll take them outside and they' ll go potty. This is just good. Once normally, a lot of times never, but once max , last night three times. Three times. Oh yeah, one thirty, one thirty. Oh Oh what? You gotta pee again. You gotta be kidding me. So I slide to the right, down off the bed, these two come. We go outside . I'm so sleepy . I sit on the steps and put my head against a porch pole and I'm like this heads are in the doorway and they're looking at me like what are we doing ? I'm like you got a pee, right No, no, not really . So I go back at three hundred and thirty, here I go again and then they went to the bathroom . But this is , you know, so sometimes they just want to wake up. They just yeah, I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay? Me too. I got nine ten, ten dogs now. Do you really? Oh yeah, I got ten dogs and two serious guard dogs. Two badass dogs. Yeah. So the one's our dog is badass. The other one's gonna be badass. Yeah When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but what are you doing? What is that? This is ultra . It's neutropic. Do you know what that is? It's like no essentially brain vitamins How come you don't swallow it? Because it's a pouch. Like a nicotine pouch, same kind of thing. Oh, it's like you got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's got nicotine addiction. Is that what Santine? What is it? You said nicotine neutropics. Nutro is that one of those things that 's like brain vitamins. Is it like ivermicin? No,es it's like nutrients . Brain nutrients . Sorry, it sucks. I couldn't help with that. Listen, we're not friends anymore. Yes. I'm upset. No. Isn't that hilar ious though that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that . I was shocked. Yeah, you got off light and I had another friend. You got off light. Yeah, that another sensitive Another friend I spent four days a week with because I've, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job . We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time. And then one day , I said, Hey, just recently passed away. I said, Hey, man, I got us to tea time for more at one hundred thirty dad call me back. Nothing. Hey, nope, nothing . Two days, three days, four days, five days a week, two weeks, a month, nothing, nothing, nothing of never heard from him again. What happened? His wife didn't like me. Whoa . That's what I found out . His wife didn't like him. Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy. Yeah, I don't understand that at all. Yeah, I think she's jealous of our relationship. Uh oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that . Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real fucking problem. Well , that's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy. Yeah, I know.' Its's that crazy. You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys . And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you that's special. That is special. That Fox show is so special . It is You've seen this show , I assume and we're just like a locker room. Well, that's how we supposed to be. So much fun. Yeah, and that's what people like watching. I think so. A hundred percent . Yeah. People want to watch people that actually are friends. Yeah, and we have giant fun. We had this one. I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends. Yeah. All right. You know, you learn, don't go here, don't go there. Yeah, which is fine. You won't you won't make sure that because we're on live television. So you want to don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television . So you learn where to go and you build that trust . And then that trust because you have the trust you become you bond . You become, hey, how you doing? Hey man, how was this week? How's your daughter? Great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean it's just you just get everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's I can't even begin the day that that show is over for me and I hope I die on set, which as I've always said, if I could just die on set, think about it, joke. Think about it . If I die on set , seriously , if I could just get a couple words out before I go I don't wanna just last. I just want to line. I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl . I could just get something out . You know? Forever , immortal, right? Right. Great. Yeah. So I said, that 's what and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do you should. This is awesome to get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically. Politicians don't agree with you, religious people , whatever , and you just sit there and you build this , you know , you get to know these people. You ask all these questions or in my case I'm just jumping around here. That's what I do . Well, he hadn't asked me about this. I like it. Simon. Is it Simon? Jamie. Jamie, I told you, Simon, just that's it. No, I got it. Oh, no, I got it. Young Jamie. No , you think it's like Van Halen. Jamie's crying. Jamie's crying. Remember that song look, I got it here . Jamie . Jamie. Young Jamie. Jamie, you married? I had a boy. Free man. Free ladies. How old are you, Jamie? What do you say? Hold it up. What's that? What's old enough? Old enough to know. So how old are you, Jamie? Forty three Hm , okay. Got a girl ? Ooh, okay. He's free right now. Ladies . Okay, young Jamie's on the prow. Jamie, you on the prow? Sure. All right . Where's your there's a lot of good looking women in Austin, Texas, Jane. There is. It's a good place. You need some help. Good place. Before you bubble. Let's go out tonight. I guess we need to move on, right? Yeah, let's move. Anyway, I'm so in talking about that show, it just well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer. It is. You want to listen, do you want to turn on this show like a pre game? Come on, pre game shows. Right. I watch 'em and I go Oh God, especially if it's Steve done this, shut up . Right shut up. Announced a pre guy's doing a game. Shut up. Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football. Yeah and you hear them talking, you're like what do you know what they're talking about? What a stats they get it all right here. Yeah , you know, and let me tell you something. Yeah , I hate stats . I hate 'em. They're okay occasionally. If they real point . Yeah . But if all you got is well, fifty eight on third quarter when the wind blowing out the southwest. If it makes a point in a big otherwise right, right, right. I remember once well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys and I love telling this story Howey, Howey is my best friend on the show without question. I mean, we are, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I got a college degree, Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie, don't hate me for his big ass. Will you be talking everybody ? Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that . Anyway , so we're doing this show . And when we had Jimmy Johnson on the show, Jimmy was great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. So Jimmy's telling this story , all right ? And Jimmy's Jimmy telling it's a funny story . And Jimmy starts laughing, we all start laughing, straight hand. We're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny, Jimmy. Michael Strahan's next director, we got it all worked out. It goes Jimmy, Michael Terry Howey . Jeremy Howe? Yeah , Howey . So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story and it's even funnier . Whoa . Oh my god, stop. Stop right now. Now it's my turn. I've got a I got a you're a comedian. You know, you got to you got to match it at least, right? Or do it one better? I'm adding to what Michael said to what Jimmy said and we're rolling. Oh God stop. Oh, this is fine. This is killing me. How he's turned , how he looks at the camera . The outside linebacker for Seatt le , Bucky Buckhalter spranged his ankle in pre game warm up, and he won't be starting today for the Seahawks Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State What ? And then we go to commercial break . And I'm like three ven I'm looking at Howie and I'm staring at Howie. I'm just like this . He turned, he feels me. He turns around and says, What ? I said , You can't help it, can you? Help what? You know what I'm talking about? No, I don't. What are you talking about? I said , You're boring . I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it. Right. And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, well, you know, being boring, he's like, and it was funny. But yeah, it was you can't do that unless there's trust. Right, you know, right. And Straham, we made friends. The first day Straham was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He said, why am I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced. You lost the other half . So that's hilarious. if, you can't joke around with people that's, no fun. No, that's not a good relationship. Well, you better know you better know who you're joking around with. Yeah, but it's like , if you can't joke around with someone like, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke, you should be able to give a joke. You should be able to have fun with a joke. You just gotta know when you just gotta know when sure. Yeah, I mean friends, friends know when sure. I mean , you know, I talk to Howie all the time all the time and his son Ky,le just signed with CBS for their today show, which is Oh, that's awesome. Great, great for him. And he's good. How he did movies for a while, right? How he was voted the up and coming star and he had these three young kids and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in L. A. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found the school system, Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia, took his kid there and quit moving him. Yeah. That's having your priorities together. I remember reading something about him talking about it. Like his experience with movies like he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. And He could have been Didn't someone hit on him too hit on him? I think some guys hit on him. A guy hit on him? Yeah. Is that true? Find out that's true. I don't know if I'd find that out. Yeah, maybe don't look that up. Forget it, don't look that up The point Simon, I mean Jamie. Jamie . Slack for the Shuddy Day, bro . Jamie, don't look that up because yeah, I don't look it up. I think I might have made that up or somebody might have me. It might not be true, but the point is like he could have been he did a bunch of big movies. Yes , and he was on his way to being a big action star. He was action star. Yeah, sure. I mean, of course, giant guy handsome. Good looking guy. Yeah, quick body. Perfect for an action star. Yeah. And then just I like it when a guy realizes like this is, you know, like he didn't want to raised on kids in house. All sides like you don't want to you, know what? It's what you think that life is, it's not. Listen, it's also like six hours . I've done five movies and you've done I don't know how many . And look, I don't want to sit around all day long and go and deliver one line. Exactly. And here's the other thing . I'm not ever going to be a leading man . I'm always going to be Terry Brato. Right, right. And that just sucks . Seriously, you always want to be Joe Rogan . No, no. No, you would like to be given an opportunity to really act. Well, if I actually wanted to act yet. Well, yeah , but I mean, some people they just don't like to do it. And I think with I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. And then you start actually doing it and you realize like, you gotta be away for five months filming . He was away all year one year doing a firestorm and he was filming in Vancouver . He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week . And I think breaks you down. Three little kids? Yeah, it breaks you down. Yeah, it's not good for you. It doesn't feel good. And I applaud him for that. And he's not only is he a great husband , great dad . He's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids no. Why terrible . And I just , I'm gone all the time and it's kind of like getting that job . I got to have a job. I got to go if you have to travel. You were saying that you give corporate speeches . What do you do? Like what are those about? Speeches. Like what do you speak about? Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning . So I'm preparing a bank speech what do you say that ? Like what do you say to a bank ? To a bunch of bankers ? I know what I know is about leadership. Like I know yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about it'sically all the things that I know Joe have to do with ambition, dreams, drive , goals failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure , how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used early with me I used psychology with you. You know, you know when you did it , you know , right? Hey, Bernie, Bernie. He knows . And so it's different with us for different kinds of different Yeah. So it's like kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you can . Interesting. When did you start doing that? I've been doing it forty three years. Really? Wow. I know it's amazing. That's crazy. And how did you get into that? I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Friedro Lay , and it was taped and they paid me five thousand dollars and I was doing speeches for twelve hundred eight hundred, fifty dollars , and they offered me five thousand dollars, five thousand bucks. Are you kidding me? Now go down there and it's for Frido Lace. I built this speech up and dad da da da da. And they go give this speech and the speech is really good. And they taped it and they sent me a VHS copy . And my then wife put it on one day and thought, Oh my god, this is really good and it's funny and so she found out where the bureaus were, who booked speakers? There were ten really good ones, and she sent this tape and a bio to ten different speaking associations, all right ? And we got that through friend Tarkin's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us onto it. So I come in she, says , I sent this off . I'm getting calls now for speeches. What? She said, Yeah, she says, we got you want to do this, you want to do that. And all of them were for five thousand thousand. Are you shitting me? I'm getting five grand . Five grand I'm like, Oh my God , five grand . Really? I'm like , amazing. So I start doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand wow . So I go to Hawaii on vacation and I'm in Hawaii and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB they speak nothing. They book political speakers and they had Joe Thisman and Jim Balvano and maybe Lou Holtz, that the three guys they had So they call it the rainy day file and they got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. Hey John, we want to come on your show. Okay, put it over there. Put it over there, put it there. And then eventually you go through it, oh, we ought to have them on, right? That's kind of how it went . So one day they're looking at these tapes and they're going spitting spitting. Then you get the came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey , hey , I hear this guy's pretty good. Really , we'll put it on. They put it on. We want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii. I got a phone call in the morning. Hello . This is Bernie Swayne with Washington Speakersbure. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Dad . Please call us back . What? So you know Hawaii's what seven in the morning so it's what it's one o'clock there tons I call 'em . And they said look , we think you've got great possibility and we think we can book you and book you a lot . And I said, well, I'm being booked by ten people right now. Why wouldn't I want to go one, one person? Well, we're going to guarantee you fifty speeches at seven thousand five hundred dollars a speech . Excuse me did you say seven thousand five hundred dollars ? I'm like, holy cow . So they said , We'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, DC and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So I did, they did and I did. We sat out, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a prop osal , fifty speeches, seven thousand five hundred, add that up. That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good chunk of dough . So I signed, I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, We'll have you at ten thousand in six months. ten thousand ten thousand you're going to book me for ten grand. Are you kidding me? That ain't that's crazy. Sure enough That's how you got into speeches. Yeah. So when you do speeches, like, say, of like a tire like a tire company call whatever it is, do you write it out for the I never write I do not write a word I cannot write . I write here . So how do you plan out of speech? I write here. You just sit around and think about what you're gonna say . Exactly. And over time, what speakers do? Because I asked Jay Leoon this one time . you doing You're doing all're a hundred stand ups and he says, Well, I take a theme for this year and I do it all . I don't change anything under the name where I'm going. And so I said, oh , so I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno, takes the same thing and then put Tyre Company in there and build it around that . And you know, what else I started doing ? I started reading a lot . Psychology, salesmanship leadership . You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin ? McRaven, Admiral McRaven. Oh . Do you had him on yet? No. Oh my God , the guy that gives the ten points of success . Yeah. She's a head of Texas. Oh amazing. Fast Osama bin Laden , he that's his, that's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid . Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard. You haven't had him . You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe. There's only so many days in a week. You can do shows, you know? Can't have everybody on. Okay, Matthew. Do you do you do a show every day? Four days a week. Okay, what's the day off? Usually Friday, but it shifts it shifts depending on in any way what I got going on. But anyway, so I build a show according to what they're doing and through all my reading and I'm naturally I think I'm gifted enough humor wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor and I mix the humor in and and and I incorporate the audience. And so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better? I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I thought, hey, if I'm going to make a career out of this, get all the gather all the knowledge you can gather. Yeah . And so that's what I did. I started reading all these self health books and you know what? When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common 's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. I don't steal, I don't steal material , but I do still I do program my speeches . I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company es. I did that once, I did that once . I went on stage in Vegas for a huge five thousand people . And I went out there and I'm you know, I've got a style about me. It's a freelance. It's hey, you know, I work the crowd. I get to know them. I'm having a good time feeling good . And I haven't even started my speech in the meeting plan with the guy that let's give it up. Give it a Terry Bratshaw. Terry, thank you Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Bratshall, they escort me off Ten minutes . Ten minutes. So there's three. What happened? Why did they escort y'all? He thought I didn't he thought I didn't know what I was doing , I guess . But that he did obviously he didn't look at my tapes and but I was just I was just having fun with the crowd before I work my way. Sometimes I work sometimes I'll go right into it . Sometimes I won't, sometimes I'll hey , you know, I mess with them. Right. I'm just having fun. Yeah. Yeah, he out of there. Wow. Oh, and what kind of company was that ? Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech. Yeah, it's bad. Well, some people are very impatient bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport, you know when you said what's wrong? And I said, What I do? Something wrong? She said, You did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style. So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting. Excuse me. I would imagine that I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my hundred percent, but that's what I was gonna say. You know what I mean? And if you win for Super Bowls, you know pressure, you know up and down. You know how to deal with you get in a huddle? How do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays ? And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearms. There we go. Number four , look, number four where I had to go second and eight. Okay, look, second and eight, here we did. Here's what's let's go da da da da and there. No, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, I don't want to run that. Let's go this and do this . I'm totally ran the I totally run the huddle. The whole thing. What do y'all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do? That I ran the huddle . I was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers . I thought I did. We're not doing very well here . I'm going to try this play, but what do y'all think? And I got input. Oh , is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are doing as a as a sales team? You got a sales manager and sales teams going back said, No, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good idea. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos . Right? Competition . And that's how that's how I ran I ran the huddle. The huddle. And speaking , speaking is I know where I'm going when I walk on stage . And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes, I'm going to change my direction . And I can't been doing that forty something years. Right. I got, you know, eight hours of material , not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week so I can change it . And I got to tell you , your stand up comedian, is there anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance and they are just laughing at everything just rolling, just rolling, just rolling and you walk off and they're screaming Joe, Joe. Joe and you're like, God, man , I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off or going out and go, Hey, I did hear this. Did the other day? What about it? And everything falls flat and when you leave and you go off stage and you're or you're not miserable miserable. Miserable. Sure. You don't want to be miserable. No, you did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them . I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. Devastating . Yeah . Yeah , yeah. So you want to pay. What do you think? They pay to be entertaining. It can hang. Yeah, poor Jam ie, poor. Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay, I'm sorry, man. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing, but how a guy like you and talk to a corporation. It's got to be very fun for them , you know, because you know, your guys won the Super Bowl. Your guys like my speeches , my speeches are do you know who Joe Hosting is? I know the name . He's the preacher and Joe Oldstein. Oh, what did I say? Holstein? Like Oldstein, you're right. No, he doesn't go to church. He doesn't know. It's Oldsteen. Yeah, that guy he's a does the giant Yeah, still preacher . God, look at the mountain, you see the mountain. Look at my Rolls Royce . One of those good guys. Yeah, it's a good guy. And people need that in their life . I like to say there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going and I want I want my hand spanked . You know? I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to sp it's fine with me . Speaking , when I go out to speak, I'm a feel good. I'm a feel good guy . You know , unless they say to me, here's where we're struggling. We need you to add this, this and this. So sometimes they'll give you a direction. They always give you a direction. Okay, so they have a way purposefully. You always know where you're going. Yeah. You always know what your audience is.. Yeah Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's a lot about it. So is that what you're doing when you're doing two hundred and fifty dates a year? A lot of those? Oh, I do, yeah, a lot. Tuesday , Wednesday of this week , then I'll get off. I do thirty a year, which is planning. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. When you're getting five million a speech, I mean, you gotta think about it . What you think, Buck , Buckcks over there. He's like , how would he be so glad when this boy's off He likes yeah. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It was great to talk to you. Me too. Thank you. Thanks, Joe. Been watching you. Enjoy, you're smart. Thank you. You're insightful. You do your homework . I helped you today though. You did. Helped me a lot. Yeah. Doing what you do is not easy. I found out about limousine cattle. You taught me some things. I know. I know. Yeah. You know how to fix a pearl futerus? What's that? Show him, Jamie. I'd rather not . So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere? Is there eleven state right now? You can go Terry Bradshaw Bourbon dot com You'll find out where we are in Texas Terry Bradshawbourbon. com there it is. Look at that. There it is. That's not a good picture. I should have had that. Oh, look at the cigars. Yeah solid picture. Yeah. Cigar. That's an old man. You're fifty eight. Yeah, and look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter. Those are good. That's like with your serious taste. Do you know it is thing about now people think, boy's making a kilon off that whisk. I'm not much . I may make six thousand dollars this year . Six , but we're building the we're building it. It's slow . Whiskey is Bourbon is slow man. You go down. You go down that aisle . Five thousand and we've won all these awards. All they beat them all. That's awesome. Beat 'em all. Congratulations . Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine, I created this juice. It has to be something that you love doing. That's not something you can do. You know what? It could be it could be any other product ? I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like it's an aged product. It's a different like if you were selling vodka or tequila or something you could just make real quick. No, this is it's a different thing. Aged whiskies are very different . It took me a year and a half to get the blend right . The blend, the juice . Took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle , I wanted this is old gun smoke. Set it on the counter. I wanted a gunsmoke bottle and this is the original label and that's gunpowder . Gunpowder gray and the Super Bowl st uff is put on there by the bottling company, which I didn't really that wasn't part of it. You know, Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me . Right. It would have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry. Right. Can it not be just because it's good ? You certainly could do that. Yeah, yeah. My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America , you know, best and they're breeding world champions and I'm so proud of that and the business is good , you know, but I don't have to sell them. They're selling we have offspring that but this is Bradshaw whiskey. This is this. I wouldn't want my dad to see it , but there it is . There it is. There it is. All right. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I've been a huge fan for many years. And me and thanks we didn't get into politics, but I'm very thankful for . I'm glad too. Yeah me too. I bet you are. I know I am. Enough, enough. Enough of that in this room. Yeah, thank you, Terry. Thank you. That was fun. All Al rightright., bye everybody