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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience During my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night all day . Oh camera we can use headphones or no , we don't need them. Okay, what are we? We have to wear your sweet hat. I want to fuck it up. There you go. Got it. Look, we got an American flag, we got a skull, we got camel. What the fuck else do you want? Are you American or not? Oh nice , dude. You're all in for two fifty, the two fiftieth anniversary. It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow, so I wear 'em every day now. You only brought one pair or one style? No, one pair of socks in no underwe ar. Oh God, I've done that before. We have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo with hotel shampoo. Yeah. And then wear them when they're wet. And this like I went on a run here. It is muggy. Oh yeah, what are my ass on? That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC because it's east coast. It gets very muggy. Yeah for sure. In DC. So these guys are all working outside right now. I saw a video of Aman Zahabi working outside and Iliotoporia is working outside and you know, you have to feel that that heavy heavy air . It changes things. Oh yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid I went to the Olympic training center in C olorado Springs. See those thunderstorms, dude. Oh yeah, we're fucked. Fuck. There is canopy that's over the cage. They put a canopy over the cage. If lightning hits that, that's not good. Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay . I mean , I'm more worried about a terrorist attack than I am afraid of lightning. No, that's true. But I probably should be more worried about lightning. I actually have friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy. Remy get hit by lightning.. Yeah, for sure So I know it was full. I don't know anybody's been hit by a terrorist attack. By lightning was Yeah, we had crazy storms here, you know, you playing golf? No, but I was outside. Thank you. I thought the storm was over and I was out on my balcony and I was like, wow, this is cool. Oh, that's not a good spot . One hit I'm five hundred feet in the sky. I'm already up there . And then it hit and I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, holy shit. I got gett insaide like electricity . What the fuck is that we are? Oh my god, that's so scary. That's such a fucked up way to go. Do you ever see that one video where a guy's walking down the street and he gets hit by lightning ? He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further. He's recovering and he gets hit again . Dude got hit by lightning twice in like I don't know if it's time lapse or what I don't know how long he was out for because it's like one of those ring cams that catches him he's like a fucking cook twice . You know you',re having a bad day I forget what Remy said happened to him after he got hit, but I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time. Something like that. Yeah We do the mounds back home like running and there's we were up on Diamond Peak Me and Tanner last year and a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling. And you're like, is that coming this way ? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think I think lightning can hit from ten miles away . Really? Yes, it can go that it can go sideways . So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanting to get the summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there and he goes, he goes, Dad, he goes, watch and he had we had trekking poles. And he had them like this and they're they're like ticking like from electricity electricity was in his trekking poles . Then we said let's get the fuck off this thing and so we bombed off and there's these kids down that were like , they said, Should we go up? And I said, I'd wait a little bit. And the girl's hair was standing up. Oh my god . Oh my god. So crazy. Yeah, it is nuts. Yeah, so they sky died in Florida last year in what they call blue sky lightning . What? Yeah, it can it jump from several miles away They're just standing on the beach. There was a blue sky above storm there. And I think it can go . I know I looked it up after that because I was like, well, I need to know I'm in the mountains all the time . His death on the lessers of Grimma, Florida led the U. S. in both lightning fatalities twel,ve n strikes per square mile, seventy six . Holy shit . By the way, do you see that guy in Florida that he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator? No, you see that one? Dude, it's bodycam footage. The cops got the gun out and he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running, he's going in the water and all of a sudden, boom . Like, I'd rather get shot. I'd rather get shot . Prada get shot and killed by a fucking dinosaur. Oh my God. You get shot, the bullet's gonna hurt like fuck. You're gonna be in shock. You're gonna realize you're bleeding out. You're gonna have to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm gonna miss my family. But that fucking alligator is going to take a while to kill you. It's going to roll you. It's going to drag you under the water. You're going to realize you can't get free. You're going to try to poke its eyes. It's not going to work fuck It's gonna be a miserable existence till it's over. Do you see that one video of a dude? He got attacked by an alligator, lost his arm, so he bit his fucking arm off and he made his way back home . So he 's like talking to him like right when he got out of the swamp and he got one arm and he looked like there's not a chance in hell he was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been messed up since the fucking twelfth grade. Oh my god. This dude yeah, this is the dude . He just fucking lost his stump. Yeah. That's where I was. I wanted for three fucking days with one arm. Oh my God . But first of all, how do you not bleed out? I know Did you say pressure on that moment? It was like this completely. What was he saying? On my right hand side, so I went to swim and she got she got my forearm so I grabbed her like this and like she's trying to roll but she snapped her head so my arm went backwards like this completely He says he fought for his life and she drugged me underneath it so important . He says he fought for his life. I can imagine them in an editing bay . Should I do that again? Is that good? No, I know. He says he fought for his life. Yeah, we got that part the. no With arm, I went in and assumed that they fucking wandered through alligator and snake infested swamp for three fucking days. Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here that you know when I went to alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know, that alligator that we shot that's in the front . Bro, they're everywhere. Yeah. If you ever want to come, it's really fun. I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting. Yeah, but they need to be killed. They're vastly overpopulated. But you can't do a bow. You can, but it's yeah . Well, that's like everything. It's pretty sketchy, but this , you know , that's a great killed alligators with a bow in Florida. Yeah. You just got to catch them in the right spot. You got to basically hit him like right behind the head. Yeah. And I think you'd probably hit him with a fixed blade, right? Yeah, for sure. There's a will or something. There's just you got to brain. them Yeah. Yeah . So there's like that bump back there, then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump something like that. So you want to be like twenty yards . You've got to fucking exit right in there. For sure. The good thing about that, if you fuck up and it's kind of ricochet , it's gonna be fine. You know what I mean? It's like literally it's not making if you go for the lungs and mists hit in the stomach, that's not good. It's gonna be pretty sick and miserable death, but it probably still live. Those fucking things are such monsters. They're such monsters. I was thinking, you know, we've killed bear up at Kip killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs. Oh, I'm just like, how? One of them will eat the other one's leg. They'll bite their fucking legs with it. Like how do you know how do you survive? Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for like a hangnail . I think our biome is probably all fucked up for washing it all the time. Yeah , probably. I mean, it completely makes sense, right? yeah , animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do unless they're farm animals. Right? Or like occasionally it happens all the time in the rut, right? Like when you're dressing an animal you find all these holes in the side of it where they're like pussy. I remember one time one of the elk that we shot at Tahone had his back leg was just filled with puss. Like the whole bat it was all puss because he had gotten stabbed. It's usually in that back because usually they turn because they know they're getting their ass kicked and so it's in their high end quarter. It's like the dominant bull gets a jab in before they go. And you've seen those Tajone Bulls, those eleven hundred pound fuckers. Dude. Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head No . And also if you see antlers there that are broke because they're so heavy . Like there's that bone is so thick for their ant lers. If a bull's break, imagine the force required to break that. And imagine that going right up your ass . 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I landed on crazy. They're just so just locked into war. Especially if you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything. Right, just slice it right through. Just like that bowl would be like, ow, wait, what? What was that nothing? And all of a sudden woo I feel woozy. Yeah. Did you find that video? See if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator. It's hard to see it . You see it a little bit though I just think it's exciting. It's just you love watching chaos. Online. I don't know why. I do. Put the headphones on there. Let's see what I like the music. . So here it is. The cop's got his gun out. Oh, this isn't a very good yet . See, the cops got his gun out and he's like trying to think of what to do and this dude's getting jacked. Oh, there goes the alligator too. Yeah. Whoo , shit . Yeah . Oh , did you see that line of the get up a little bit so you can see it? So the dude's trying to swim away and look at the alligator. Boom, that's a rap son. Did he put his hands up here? I don't think so. I think he just so back it up a little bit more. So you see the guy swimming away . What's that? It's a different version. Being good Samaritan . No, the same lady narrating. That's where g theate. That's where the gate slammed right towards him. And that's not good. His arms. I mean, it was a full on attack . It was a full on attack. Like if halfway attack f. It's aucking dinosaur . There was another story in Florida a few years back where a guy was running from the cops. I think it was a high speed chase, gets to a bridge, stops the car, throws it in park, jumps off the bridge, boom, alligator gets them literally like landed right on a fucking alligator . But that's the reality of the water. All the freshwater in Florida is filled with alligators . They have to check Disneyland all the time or Disney World. They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago? Maybe you take your kid to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur . Rough. Wow . And also it's like, you know how, I don't know, you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're eating and like something falls on the ground? They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the water. They're just sitting there just chilling out. They hear a little splash or like , like a dog was that a crumb hitting the floor at the dinner table? Yeah, exactly. So they're over there and they'll just eat whatever hit the water. Especially if something seems like it's struggling. Yeah. Oh, I got you opportunists. Yeah, they're so they're just chilling, just waiting for shit to hit the water, which is that's what fishing is too. You know, you see that the flies hatching, you try to match it, try to put it on there and they're like, okay, got one to hit the water . But yeah, alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity. And every once in a while some comes off a bridge and hey , dig a meal. Really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. It's like, you know, I went, I guess it was three years ago and when we were there , it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I thought it'd be hard to find them . I thought like we'd go out there you know you look around, you'd probably glass a little see eyeballs pop up. No , they're fucking over the water. Like how many would you see? We saw fifteen, twenty . Yeah, may morebe. Chillin's. Maybe thirty. You see like some movement on the water and then they dunk under and you're in the fucking swamp man. It's sketchy as shit. The whole never done it. It's very weird. It's very weird because you 're like this is a mess. Yeah. Like this the feeling that you get there like, oh, this is infested. Like you, you're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile , you go an hour and a half later, you're in Miami having a steak , drinking an ice pinot noir. You think you're in civilization . You're fucking a half a day's drive from monsters Invested jungle filled with monsters. And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like what if what if you were just somehow something happened to the boat? Oh, you fucked. Yeah. What would you do if like the boat sink out there? Well, we weren't in a boat. Okay We drove out, we were with guides and we drove out in trucks and they know like where the lake areas are, where the, you know , it's very dense out there. It's very thick. It's just hot and muggy and these fuckers just boo you see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up, you see some motion, but you fucking see them everywhere. Yeah. And then you look around at how big the Everglades is and you go, how many of 'em are out here? Yeah. Because it's not like we the honey sp ot. Right. You know what I mean? It's like the whole effortlades and there when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was eleven years old from eleven to thirteen. I lived in Gainesville , and there was alligators back then, but they were endangered . And so you weren't allowed to kill them. And so they would kill people's dogs and shit. I remember this lady in my neighborhood or dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and just snatched her dog and took it away. This is like the late seventies . And we were feeding them marshmallows. So you go to the dock and you throw marshmallows and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows . And it was, you know, it was weird. It's kind of cool there freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous. Right. Cut to all these years later now because no one hunted them because they basically were making shoes out of 'em in the day . They almost hunted them to extinction. And they should probably start that again . Yeah, probably we need to bring alligators happen. Like back in like the seventies, like that was the cool shoes. Like in the pool halls where I used to play pool, like the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up. He had his gaiters on. He looked good. He had a nice suit. He had his gaiters on his gaiters . Like gaiter boots. Alligator shoes. Casey. Yeah. Yeah , gator boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of almost makes sense because like you get boots that are made out of like snake skin and ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But yeah, alligator dress shoes is you got your gaiters on right yeah, very hard to get. Yeah, polish it nice. Rick flare black . Rick flair. I love that. Bro, I got to apologize to Rick Flair. He got scammed . So some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and they were going to have that he was going to come on the podcast. I think Tim Dylan has happened with him too . It didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information. Yeah , they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like three thousand bucks because I've got those too. And what it really is is they're just going to empty your bank account . And it's just a scam. So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Rick Flair. So Rick Flair, I don't know if he lost his money, but Tim Dylan, they tried to get him on Amy Poller show. So it's that's the scam. The scam was they reached out to he talked about it on his podcast. They reached the scammer reached out, said I'm representing the Amy Poller Show. We would love to have you on. And he was like, That doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poller . I don't think I'm a good guest. He was like, I don't think real. Yeah, and it says , you know, we need your bank account information and so many people just like don't think about it or they're boomers or well it they make it seem legit because I know Pat McAfee I got an email from them about coming on the show and I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before . And so I'm like, maybe I mean for me it's like a big deal like ESPN and Pat McAfee. He's like to me he reminds me of you. He just kind of does what says whatever he wants, does he's free. If the bosses say whatever, he's like fuck off. I just love that unfiltered like true thoughts. And he's a guy that's got fuck you money that says fuck you. That's what I love. It's just , it's beautiful. So I mean, I celebrate that that's a, you know, First Amendment in his glory right here. And he seems like a genuine good . Yeah, yeah. I don't know him, but it's like I don't know him either but when you hear a guy talk enough . Yeah, yeah, you can assume or you can like put the pieces of puzzle together, but and they've worn my stuff on there. So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real, right? And so the guy I asked he's just an A he's just a great guy, but he said no, it's not legit . But they had me because it was like it almost seemed real . Fight Night is here. Title shots, debut killers and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet, and only Draft Kings has you covered every step of the way. The Draft Kings app is now available in all fifty states and includes all markets bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. New draft king customers sign up at the code Rogan spend five bucks to get two hundred in rewards within twenty one days. That's Code Rogan in partnership with Draft Kings. The crown is yours. 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I don't want to give up the process , but I have a guy and I have this guy reach out to people and I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it. But if you get an email here , if you get an email asking for your bank account information, it's not me. And it's probably not Anna Ferris or Amy Poller or Tim Dylan or any of those other people. It's all bullshit. No, there's scumbacks out there. Unfortunately. If you say you have some elk meat you'll share, that might be real. Nope. Oh share with friends and family . That's it. I'm not giving it out to Weirdos. But you're bringing some bear meat. I know. And dude, you're I said you're in trouble. I know. We got a lot of notes. We got notes. I got shit we're gonna discuss today. Like I had a scientist on yesterday. He had less notes. Less I know I'm ready. Well , we had some first of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth? I love it. Yeah, it's well, it was it's kind of a joke, but I've been obsessed like for years obsessed with like perfect teeth, right? And that's why Adam Greenheese always busting your balls and you know, I did like the white strips and all this other shit. And like I always cared about just probably cared too much. So now I don't care what I look like, but what changed ? I don't know. I've just like been playing the game too long. Now it's just like I'm just done and the game's not over unfortunately, even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, the game still goes on. So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway , I was getting this okay, long story short. I had I broke this in high school so I had a fake two since high school. And yeah, this is like long story kissing this girl basketball hipp backing him at the head, broke the tooth. Anyway, broke the teeth on her teeth. Yeah, so she had pieces of teeth in her lip . Oh, that's crazy. So yeah, yeah, it was Jack Devereux did that. But anyway so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it. Finally, we found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the dentisten forever because I just would hate going and they said, oh, you got a cavity under that, whatever composite is what it was called . And I'm like, okay, cool. So we got to take it off, fix the cavity, then you get a whole nother one. And I'm like , whatever . So I go back in there, next deployment, they take it off, no cavity. But now we just have this like whittled down regular tooth just like a post of a tooth. So because they removed the cavity because they or there was no cavity. There was no cavity. Jesus is correct. Got on the x ray there was. So they had anyway that cap or the composites gone. So they said, well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fake tooth and in Springfield swing by this Springfield whatever they do there for dentistry. So I go in there and they said the girl there goes, Hey my husband makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one? And I was like, wait . And so she's like, We'll do a white one too, but a gold one might just be fun. And then I'm like, yeah, that'd be fun. So I told Trace, I'm just gonna do it just a day or two . So this has been months now. You gonna keep it? I don't know, I kind of like it. I kind of like it too. I kind of like it. It's like everybody look it, you know, everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth. Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for a while. This is like my savings account because I figure that I'm gonna lose everything because I'm such a fuck up, but I'll still have this. I can still let that sucker out and you can buy a cheeseburger. Yeah, if I didn't bind, right? It's like, hey, well, I got this. I have one crown. I have one fake tooth back here, I cracked one of my molars. I had a root canal and then it cracked like so then they had to put like a crown on it and then it cracked and so now I got getta another one because I got a little piece of it missing. I think I'm gonna get a gold one. Nice. Get it going right here. Do it. Dude. Now you're inspired me . Also it's in the back so you won't see it all the time until I hear Yeah. I give you a big cheese. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna get it. I'm copying you. When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile. Yeah. So that'll be when people see it. That'll be fun. Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know you live a happy life. Yeah, you do. You're're you crushing it lately . Oh, just keep it just keeping the same old stuff, right? Just keeping I can't believe I look at your guest and it's just like nonstop, dude. It's like it's people see like all your success. You'd think most people would be like, Okay, I'm good. I'll foot off the gas. You don't. No. You keep I mean, you work your ass off. Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. Very few human beings get this opportunity and I feel insanely fortunate and also very responsible. Like I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it, they love it. They want the variety, they want scientists. They want guys like you, they want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives . And it's a huge obligation, you know, and I feel like connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't know , but I feel it. I know it, and I'm dedicated. So I just keep my foot on the gas. I never say, oh, I can't believe I have to do this . I can't believe I have to show up. I just yeah. I always try to reset every day and god, I'm so lucky. It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy , a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most out of it because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world . Well , I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone like back and forth . I've had it for like six years now . Six or seven, might be seven years now. And it's like , I'm not I'm not keeping my foot off the gas. I'm not going to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off . That's like people have said like with bow hunting and stuff, like if you, you know, you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right? And then there's gonna be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like, fucking come get it. Yeah, come get it. Come try to take it because I remember I wor'kingm my ass off still. We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude, this dude was we were all just fucking around. I really even forget who it was because it didn't matter. And he said, yeah, and after that I'm, going to challenge you to a race and you go, good luck with that. It was so cold. You go, yeah, you didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a five year old saying they're gonna kick my ass. Yeah, good . Good luck with that. Yeah. I mean, you get confident when it's something you do like further down the line than anybody. Yeah . And so if you're going to take my spot Right . I mean, it's been a grind, dude. Forty years. Yeah, the whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey . And you could look at it in terms of I'm going to take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation and that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you were, you're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Like that energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits and just and excelling at whatever discipline whether it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand up comedy . You should look at those people like wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better or where can I get to a point? How can I get to a point where I'm like them ? But most people don't do that. Most people are like, fuck that guy gu.y That f ucking sucks. This sucks and fucking he's a pussy and he's a dis and he's using steroids and he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs there's always going to be people like that and I'm telling my message to the h aters , I was a hater. When I was a kid, I was one hundred percent a hater. One hundred percent. Like all the other people, like when I was fighting, everybody else was a pussy . They were all pussies. Yeah. Unless they were n in't my white division. If they weren't in my weight division, then I could celebrate it. But everybody in my weight division was a pussy. That guy's I'm going to fuck that guy up. He's got nothing. I could never celebrate people. Even like national champions, people would n't celebrate them. Right. It' Its a's was ate waste. of energy. Yeah. And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them fuck that car, fuck this and fuck that. It's a waste of energy. You have to you have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life . Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego driven direction , just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass . Oh, this guy could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run. Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than me. What the fuck can I do to get where he's at? Yeah, you got to just that's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress . It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future. Right. It's bad all around. Yeah. There's no good to it at all. No, I agree with that. And it's like that energy is a resource that we have to protect. I think that when you talk about like you talk about all the outliers that you you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you. And I think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens , that makes people want to come, like you said, you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure . I think like even if you didn't believe what you said , it would still if you just said like I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative, like in tone or like confrontational in tone, people wouldn't want to be on here. Like they want to be on here now. You being positive and looking at things like how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all learn and get better from this? That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world , which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guest you have. People are attracted to the show . And so yeah, that energy, we, even though even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it. You know what I mean? You seek it out . And I know when I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope . I don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is all the time. Right. I want hope. How can I have hope? Because hope gives me purpose. I'm like, okay, I can do this. I can I get to work and this will pay off. Yeah . So I think it's like it's more complicated than we than we think, but there's a reason why you're number one and have been number one and it's your attitude and it's it's how you speak that little that's also I got in really early, right? So I got in at like two thousand nine and there was hardly anybody doing it back then. Yeah, so you could you could also wasn't as famous back then. So you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it. Right. You could get good at it. So you could hone your craft. Right. You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have to you just did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. No, I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? Because there's so many pods, I mean, how many podcasts are there now? Yeah, like what's the number? ten million five million like seven or eight million. It probably keeps growing every week. So everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk. Well and I mean the people starting now, they might be you down the road. Oh yeah, for sure. There might be some, you know, well there'll be them incredible conversationalists that they'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me , but they'll be amazing at it. But you had because you had this insight or you know, you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, hey, maybe I could do that. You started this process of this dec ades of honing your craft to where it is now and now you've been on top for six, seven years, right? And it's just because of all those reps that you did. It's no different than anything we always talk about. It's everything. Everything. It's reps reps. It's just like you want to get good at something . Fail, keep doing it. Artsy is reps, pools, reps, martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience and it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do , whatever it is. Yeah, I think like I even think of, you know, I love Sean Ryan and he has an incredible podcast . But get I get why this is happening. He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now, just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that which is by design, almost, they want us to be hopeless. And I don't want to be conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean , his podcast lately has taken more, I don't want to say dark because it's more real , but it's like it's darker . So I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things and you are sometimes. But that's not the theme of you. Well, I think these it's like this episode is brought to you by Dodge. The new Dodge Charger Scatpack is built for people who still believe driving should be exciting. You want to talk about performance? Let's start with a twin turbo six pack gas engine, all gas, no mercy , five hundred and fifty horsepower, zero to sixty in just three point nine seconds and a top speed of one hundred and seventy seven miles an hour woo . 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And talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny and you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night, you know, why is your mouth sore? You know, like you fuck around, you say things you 're silly, you know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth. You know, you don't you're not really doing meth, right? There's you're not really having gay sex, right? You're fucking around. Yeah. And when you can't fuck around , there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a whole like get out of jail pass, like, let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here. Well, and then where can't loosen up? You're serious. Right. And then where does the conversation go back to the serious part which changes it? It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. Yeah, and that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bat of the world and it's not saying you should ignore the bat of the world, you certainly shouldn't. But if you only focus on the bat of the world , it's kind of a trap it'll fuck your head up too. That's swimming in negativity all the time. That's where I see Sean, that's a feeling I've got with Sean lately. Whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset. There's always this reset back to good . The message is good . Yeah, I think and I don't think you don't I don't think you that's not by design. That's just who you are. Yeah, no, it's not by design. It's just that's how I think you can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not negative in fact. Yeah. It's there's things that you need to be aware of and need to be prepared for them and the problem is no it's not, but our voices are oftentimes negative . So it's easy like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative, it's a lot of negative dude. Yeah. So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy. I try to avoid wading in that. Well, sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like, Where the fuck are these Epstein files? Who the fuck is this? Why is this reacted? Where is it? Who the fuck killed JFK? Right. Like come out with it. Who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real? Yeah. Like what is that? Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery? And why do they pave over the fucking ground right after the shoot ing. What the fuck is going on there? See, now you're making me in a bad music. That's what it's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get locked up. Do you see my nose? Look at my toe on the very top. Was it say stay positive? Be nice . And what does that other one say? You have terrible hand . Be positive. Oh, be nice, be positive. But your handbrides terrible. It is a doctor . But no, I have to remind myself like 'cause if you start mentioning those things that you just did that was hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit because I'm so pissed. I know they should be. And all we're all pissed. We're all you know, we all thought that, you know , all that stuff was going to be released right after the election. We're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles and well the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term , there was some drain in the swamp going on. I felt . Then we had the Biden disaster and now the second term has been, I don't even know what this is. I don't even know where it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different different first of all if we didn't bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed him the first time. We were good. The second time was like even the first time was like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah . And then when they were saying like, this, is it . The escalation's over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, you . Yeah. And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh fucking great . Now most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want to know look, I'm no fucking foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there, but I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it. And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first are people that are like no new wars that really thought they were going to change things and this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset. I don't know really what's going on though. That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the Iranian military structure because it seems like that's super fucking complicated . Like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever . And so they have like all these layers of control. Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel kills him. It's like the fuck is going on. And then what happened yesterday ? They captured like twenty oil tankers? Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. Yeah. There was some , I don't know, it might be bullshit. I just read on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X . Yeah, it's boy boy. I've been so healthy lately. Last few months, just staying off of fucking Instagram . Really? Staying off of Twitter. Just not reading anything. Yeah. Not anything, but Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh , I don't know how. I thought one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. Trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night crazy people. Yeah, not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like ten, fifteen minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I got to get off of this. Yeah. There's no reason it's interesting. That's what raised. That's who it gets you hooked. I got this one lady. She was she was a hooker and she's a crocad and she thinks everyone's a man. Like so she'll show photos of all these different people. That's a fucking man. She's just she's just fucking out to lunch . One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States and he wears like this dirty old suit and you can look in his eyes like he's out there. Dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And he's on Instagram . I start watching like sometimes street fights. Oh, I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there or the pranks or the jokes or pets . It's like pets are cool. And then it's just like , but it's just a trap just keeps you there. And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, it's just so much healthier. When I take like full days, like days off , I feel so much better. And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii, we went to Hawaii a few years back and we went bow hunting for Access Deer on Lani and I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this I do. My phone just start calling people. Yeah, look at this. This is crazy. I hang up and start calling a new person. Hang up. So I had to get a new phone and it took like three days and it was like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, I can't wait until my phone gets here . Where's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh yeah yeah and capturing those memories. That's yeah and if you have a question Yeah I love it for because I've always have a question about something . I love that Siri now you can just press Siri and ask it a quest ion like how many minutes or in a month and it'll just tell you like right on ooh, like you'd be driving on the car. You have a question, just press a button and it gives you the answer. Yeah. Fucking nuts. How many times did you have a question and you're just like, I'll probably never figure that out. Exactly. But now no question goes unanswered. Literally instantaneous. Yeah . You know, and you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask your questions because I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened . And now you know, like instantaneously Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff that's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't like it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat but most of the soup is shit. All right, I would recommend not eating that soup . And that's what social media is like . It's like I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb Telescope. Like, whoa, this is fucking cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things . And then I'll just deal with some fucking kooks and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like, oh fucking Christ. It's exhausting. Too much . It's exhausting. It's just eating soup with shit in it. Yeah. It's just like, it's not worth it. She brought in some of that bear and grabbed some of that son. And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat and that is that is incorrect. People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. Okay Give me something. So also this no one can hear that either. You gotta get to the microphone. Also this put that thing down and have a seat. There we go. So do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard the name. So he killed the world record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant one. That thing is crazy. So he does this is like super hot stuff . Oh Here's what it's called. What do they need to know about Chile an ? Whatever sea or chili. Everything you know need to know about well, it's all worn out. I know it's maybe on the adult page , but mighty Chilean chili. Yeah. Okay Take a chili. Yeah, you put that on like when you're cooking steaks. Where's that knife, Jamie? Here's one. Thank you. Look at that. Ooh, sweet. Oh, look at that fucking man. Oh my good.ness Nuts. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that? It was like three hundred eighty six or something? No, four hundred eighty six. Or no four hundred and eighty six. Yeah, yeah. Like four hundred eighty six close to five hundred . Yeah. Wow, this smells strong. Does it? Oh my god. Yeah. So these are the chilies. Oh, so this is Yeah, he said you don't need much . It says what did it say four hundred eighty? It says sprinkle this shit on everything. Okay, yeah . This is cool . Yeah. So I brought and also ooh, do you know his son ? His son is a really good outcome. I mean, I don't know. It makes calls. Yeah, we don't usually mess around with that. I learned how to do these just last year. His son is bow broke. I learned how to make a female alcohol. 'Cause I had a little one that I blow on . So I never learned how to use a reed. Yeah, the mouth read. I definitely don't know how to make a set with a tube. I'm fucking terrible. Well, let me see that knife real quick. Might yeah, this is the old packout skinner for Montana Knife. But here's the good stuff right here. So we got some of this . Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought it from the same no, this is from your company . This white's up in Portland and this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game . I think it's more like Gresham Precessor, but it's so good . Oh, that is good. Tell me what you think of that. Best Bron Jobs. Yeah, that thank you, Ronnie. And then this is no trichinosis, right? Trichinosis free? This is I have you ever tested yourself for trichonosis to see if you have it? You might already have it. It's a bear jerky too. You might have had it and ignored it . So the jerky's so good. And then also like this says White's on it right here . White's country meats. So we got sausage. Already made breakfast sausage? Yeah, it's so good. Nice. And then we got some rendered bear fat right here. Oh wow. Totally that so you can cook with that. It's dark. Yeah . Why is it so dark? I don't know . That's crazy. Yeah . Clay Newcombe gave me something. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked steaks with it. Okay. It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like even beef towels. Yeah, but it gives it a different flavor for sure. Definitely. So he did a and also like the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different. So it's it just reacts differently after making the pepperoni and rendering the fat. It just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is one of the big bear I just killed. And yeah, so it's just perfect timing for, I guess, rendering fat and making sausage. I was watching those videos that Jen was making from Bear Camp. Yeah . Where she smoked that bear for like twenty four hours? . So good. It looked insane. So good. She's like a gourmet chef now with bear. Yeah, and then they had the meat church guy up there this last week. Yeah. And so they were like , you know, bear meat , when you put a whole back ham on the trager, so she let it soak marinate for four days, right? And I saw people saying, Oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it was. Four days , then twenty hours of a slow cook on the traeger, best meat you've ever had . It's like incredible . That's bear. And you know, there's like people talk about settlers back in the day, they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides to make clothing because bear was superior meat. So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good and it's amazing. Well, it's because of yogi. Yeah. Yogi fucked us. Probably. Yeah, yogi and the one that tells you not to start fires . Who's that guy? Smokey? Smokey. Smokey bear, yogi. Yeah. They fucked us. Yeah, they did. And Disney. Disney fucked us . You know, if it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you. Yeah . We would have a completely different idea of animals and they have a much more realistic idea of animals for sure. Which I think most hunters have. You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be managed. said Whitney Cummings a video that they got in Santa Monica the other day of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big fucker just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man. I mean, I don't know if you know more anymore, but I can't eat too much. People get annoyed. Oh yeah. That's true. It's good though. It's that's a jalapeno cheddar. How's it taste? You taste it? The first one I had was jalapeno chip. Yeah, it was fucking great . It was really good. So good, yeah. And I know what people say 'em. You can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh man. That fucking nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Yeah. Fuck you, man. Fuck you . Yeah, it's meanwhile they built a stupid bridge for them and it's way over budget. It's over a hundred million dollars now for the stupid fucking bridge so they can cross We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety. I am of a completely different opinion. I say put one of those fucking big ass grills on your car. Like I have my land cruiser and let's hope we get a few of them. Yeah, so they don't kill people's dogs. Look at it was right there. It's fourteen. This is knocked on fourteen. That is bananas. Look where it is. Like look how dense, look how dense the housing is there. There's a mount line right there. And they think a mount lainine's you know, go find this bridge . Well, they probably will eventually find the bridge . But there's a bunch of retards that'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit. That's nature. Yeah. Let's figure it out. Yeah , figure it out or die. Yeah, figure it out or die. Yeah. There's too many of them. They're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers. Yeah. There's way too many of them. They're all over California because they don't manage them. That's what we talked . Yeah, we talked about that last time and it's like, I just wonder what is , you know, what's the goal because now you know, I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah, what is going on? This Mike Lee guy Yeah, that's same guy. Same fucking guy from he 's trying to like this is the Utah guy, right? The Utah guy . So right now it's like there's this bill that was going to be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires essentially . But it's like it's what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it . Like they always do , there's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills, right? Right . And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not . But he put in this roadless area section there's four hundred or forty five million acres of roadlae that he wants access to basically they're not saying this, they're saying for some other reason. I think oh here's what they said. We have so many acres of roadless area that to fight wildfires, we need roads . Okay . They don't care about fighting wildfires. They care about resource extraction or development, right? Maybe development, but development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas. But what's not at? They tried with this. Remember the affordable housing? Yeah. Like oh just the area tried to say that's what it was that was supposedly affordable housing which, like years ago , I went back and talked to Jason Chafis. He was he was a representative there in Utah . And I went back there and spoke to him and at that time it was about surplus acreage. So there's three million surplus ac res nobody's using . Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion . That the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy. Republic land. And I think you told me that. See if there's any reality to that that the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land . I don't know if that makes any sense. This is not my thought. Someone told me this and I was like, wait, what? And I don't think I ever looked it up. Right. I do that too. I'm like, I need to look that up and I never do. And then I never know anything more. But yeah, so I went back talked to Jason. That time it was surplus acreage, then this time it was affordable housing. Now this time it's wild wildfire fighting , which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the National Forest Service already has ten billion dollars of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now. So they're saying you're going to add more roads to the ten billion dollars worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on. Don't think so . What they're going to do is and then also if you make roads, the stats say eighty five to ninety percent of fires are started within a half mile of a road . So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there. There's hardly any fires back there. It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain , that's where the fires are starting, right? Because it's usually people. It's human cause. ninety percent of the time it's lightning. It's that's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought. Here it is. Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands, but this is a political movement, not an official LDS church program and other Mormon groups openly oppose it. So Utah's see more disinformation somebody try to feed me . And I kind of helped spread it . Utah's heavily dominated by federal land. Forty two percent of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone , even more under other federal agencies because so much federal so much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain transfer or sell some of that land is especially intense there. Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee, which er Cvonsative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies . The housing thing is like, hey man, fuck you . You're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you. I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something. It's I mean, they don't care about first of all, they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains, which, you know, water, power, all that's not going to happen. What is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming case would have been the first time registered a national historic site was sold into private ownership , which is why it drew attention. What are they referring to though ? A national historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints So the church tried to purchase public land . So down to that next one it says LDS teachings require strong stewardship and specifically advocate preserving and protecting public land. So okay that goes just politicians like what he's doing and I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his boy error for this public land thing because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land . But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his Don ald Jr. Does he listen to anybody? I don't know. I don't think to me about psychedelics. Well, that's okay. We'll talk to him about this then . Is that it again with sneaky roadless rule amendment? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this weekend, well I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that. But I don't think there was a there was a sentence in there that I just saw. It says ninety nine percent right here, right in the middle. ninety nine percent of Americans oppose repealing the rules of this rule. Okay so why they work for us? Isn't that right? Isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like why don't they listen to people like the public? The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them managing. I don't think the public of California would I'm opposed to that. Opposed the ballot box biology. No, me too. They've got wolves in Colorado. But I'm just wondering like with this roadless rule, they didn't ask a public anything. Right . And ninety nine percent of the public oppose it. Yeah, that's way I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of hunting thing. Yeah, I'm good with okay. So on your point then, I want biologists making the decision hunting one hundred percent. I don't want politicians making the decision on land use. Hundred percent. All right, one hundred percent. So that's that's all I'm yeah, that's all I'm saying. It's like, let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like, who is the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom? Me. I called in now . But it's like, how are these decisions being made? Like this roadless rule this was like a last minute add on that the public did not get a chance to vote on how is that how is that okay? No it's not OK. It's super fucking sneaky and I think all of our position should be like your T shirt. The Teddy Roosevelt position not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here. We do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world . It's very different. And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land and you have access to incredible wilderness and beautiful places . And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people and it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country and we got to keep it that way. We can't we can't let that slippery slope get into play . As soon as they start giving away some of it or sellin' some of it they'll they'll fucking keep going . It's not one acre. Once you lose something, you don't get it back. Ever. And this especially with this public land, like at this time when we all came together , it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It was hunting, h iking, fishing , whoever , recreators , like whatever. It's like people who just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down, and the public sentiment was vicious, right ? And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now because at this time, I know we did so much. Everybody came together, but when they do these they wear us down with these last minute deals and add on these things because it's like, how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting? And you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already? And now it's back. I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the a ir at the same time is because you can't fight at all. You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure? Yeah I know the UF APs we're going to have a big Media Gun Monday're going. to We have a big release on Wednes day. . So I think they took to me, it seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh, we got all these fucking dips worried about this roadless rule. Okay, we can distract some of 'em with the aliens. Got an alien stuff , alright? Okay, oh, we could we could distract some of them with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up, okay? And now all of a sudden it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core core groups with this other bullshit, right? And it's the bread and circus thing. And like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not we hire the government to run our country not entertain us . True . Yeah, no, I look , I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in contro alled environment. That said , it's going to be sick. It's going to be it's going to be I'm going to watch I have two like people think oh Rogan's negative again nope, I'm not negative but I'm not positive either. I don't if it was me, if I was running the UFC, I would never run the UC. But if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it. Yeah. I would have said we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight . We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as far. Oh yeah. It's going to be completely different than also your endurance is gonna be less. No submission's going probably gonna happen. Well maybe, but also you can get under a neck way quicker. All right. Slide your arm through there. Yeah, you could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone swe at. Yeah, you can get it right under the chin. Yeah, that'd be taller it slides in there . But most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena like normal. It should be fucking seventy two degrees just like it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned like it always is. But even the controlling the hands because you know like if you're top or bottom , like the big part is like the wrist control. Yeah. Like if you're sweaty. Oh yeah , that's tough. I mean in the old days, dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. Yeah , and then they would wash it off and so then they would you know get warmed up and then when they would start sweating the baby oil would come out of their pores 'cause it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours , I'm not accused of any individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened and guys would be completely greased up . You could wipe them down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking pores. And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them. Wheep, it's like trying to hold on to a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your fingers. Wow Well., that happens too if you eat McDonald's all the time. That's kind of grease out your core. So they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance, Mike. But the sweat is going to be a big issue. The outside, the bugs, that's going to be a big issue with thunderstorms. Oh yeah. Another forecast is saying. We're talking around two o'clock rain, three o'clock, thunderstorms, seven o'clock, rain. It looks great. Oh, by eight o'clock it's only showers. Don't be a pussy . Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think the idea was like they want the octagon, the white House behind it. Yeah, for image and everything like that. It's going to be dope. The card is sick. It's a fucking amazing card. The card, it's only seven fights and all of them are bangers from the opening one with Steve Garcia Die andgo Lopez, bam right off the gate. It's like Bowen Nickel and Kyle Daukus, bam, right off the gate. I mean, it's it's gonna be a sick fucking card. The card's amazing. That does look incredible. That's the lightning catcher that they put over the Yeah, it's gonna be nuts. It's gonna be nuts if it happens. But if it rains like crazy, you know , but I mean, everybody will love it if it rains, all the people who hate it. Yeah, rain on those mugger fucks. Oh God. Ruined our country man I know. It's very divided time. Oh, it's it's nuts. Yeah . But like I said, my concern is for the athletes a fighter's career is very short. A loss is devastating , and to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think is crazy. Yeah , but it's also going to be sick. It's like being there is going to be nuts and maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out . Well , you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does. He always does. I mean, you know, they always does. He was at the sphere in Vegas, right? It's like wasn't that was out of the box, but it was amazing. Yeah, that was sick. That was a one time only thing. That was so much money, but this is a one time only thing supposedly too, but apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up really ? I don't know, man . I'm I think it'd be great. Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks. That'd be the next gimmick. I mean, why not? Fuck it. Yeah, it's just things chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what Biden can have a giant LBGT flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out. Remember that? They had big pride day. Lay a big pride flag in front of the White House like I'll take this over that. It's like all of it is silly. Yeah, it's also that should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have not hing to do with the White House. Right . But you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now . We're trying to sue to keep this stop . They'll probably lose. Yeah. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But I would imagine they're not going to win. I'm I'm a huge fighting fan UFC fan. You know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's I just , you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes. But on this one I kind of get it. And yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping to this opportunity . No the whole world's going to watch. It's going to be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history . I mean, it's on Paramount. So it'll be on CBS as well, right? Is it on CBS? Yes . So it's on CBS as well. So it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are going to watch it too. For sure. You're going to want to talk shit. So it'll probably be covered on CNN what a disaster it was and they already talked a lot about how I'm not into it . But I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something. If I don't agree with it, I'll be res pectful. I'll, you know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC and it's always an honor to work for them and I love it . But I don't like it , but I'll still yeah when I'm there, I'm like, oh, this is sick and maybe after it's over I'm like they were right or maybe it'll be like oh it fucking rained it was what a shit show it was lightning that cancelled the fights. It was a huge disaster for CBS. It's live sports is like you never know . I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy, now I'm in. Yeah, that's like Apex style. Now I like it. Yeah, I like it. No crowd, just us, just me, DC and Annex. Ooh , that'd be pretty fun. Now I like it. Now I like it. And you know, we're protected by the rain, but everybody else isn't. So they all have to leave. Yeah, 'cause I think it's gonna be also a lot of like look at me. People going to dress up nice forehead and like because they know they're going to be on television and it's, you know , I get it. But it's really for me it's about the fights There's gigantic fights on that card. They just engage the Ilaap Toria fight , I am very interested in that fight. I'm very interested in that fight. I really wish it was like at the T Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever, but who cares? That's a fight I have a lot of questions about and see that fight happen. I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Illy is so skilled . Bro, he's I watched a whole I've watched his entire career last night . So there was a the UFC put out a video about Ilia saying is Ilia Tiporia the goat and it goes from his first fight in the UFC to his last victory and you watch every single fight of his career and you watch him get better over time and you know it gets deeper into his career and then you see his last three fights and you're like good lord. Yeah. was He awesome when he first entered the USC, but he just kept getting better. So the use of Salaw fights the first fight. That goes to a decision , you know , and and then watch the progression, he starts KO in people. His last three KO's over the biggest stars . They're some of the greatest of all time. Max . Yeah , who llovera. Yeah. Charles one of the greatest of all times, Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times and then Alexander Volkanovski, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah, like fucking crazy man. Knocked them out. Knocked all three of them out. How? It's one of the greatest res umes of all time. CBS won't air USC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch. What happened? Did they back out of it? Oh yeah, they would not televise it. That means I wonder if like paramount White decided cited the plan to tell America story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved . What ? The plan to tell America's story. That doesn't mean what does that mean? We don't want to talk about America's story on CBS. No because there's only x number of fights and it starts from the first one White said we start the beginning of time and like the Mexican independence day fight we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So no they'll all be on paramount . So it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox. And then you're going to see all the Indians die, and then we're going to go, oh look at all these buffaloes because there's no one there to kill them. And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun. Yeah. It's gonna be a good story. It's going to be a very accurate story of how the United States started. It'll start from back when we fucked up Mexico in like, what was that? eighteen sixty one to get Texas . No, what year did they know? It was like eighteen twenty one . Wasn't it? Like that Mexico owned Texas ? We'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like fifty bucks . Yeah, people love it. Why wouldn't you? It'd be good. It'd be great. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's it's gonna be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. Yeah . This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain . And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain. You just search the name you want, buy it, and then you're ready to build. No hidden fees, no weird upsells. Go to squarespace. com slash rogen for a free trial and when you are ready to launch, use the code Rogan to get ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain . But I'll be there. Yeah. It's good . You're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple times. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks. And my experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah . Unfortunately for everybody else . Like, you know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. Yes, his lot of fun shit. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom because he wants like he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States that's loved by everybody. Yeah . But the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about. The war the war specifically that I don't you know, we voted for protecting the border . And they did that . Yeah, it's or American manufacturing , protecting America's interests like with trade , with just protecting people's jobs. So we have a way to work and provide for a family . America first , that was what that sounded good to me. And it feels like this isn't any of that . Like it feels like even his administration at first , I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some this is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone. Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also , you know, the amount of political pressure , you know, you have to make deals, right? So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there and then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that and the military is trying to squeeze this and there's a lot of compromises that have to be made and that's where things get dark because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with RFK and that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day . It's dealing with all these pressures and look they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with peptides. They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of unnecessary food dies and all these different things that we've been subject to, but they lost with glyphosate. Yeah. And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's going to talk about it soon and it is the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue , we don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate ridden products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from how much is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system versus I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? Yes. There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is people are just reacting to Yeah, bromate and pesticides and herbicides. But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glycophate basically with all the agriculture there? And then that's like the hot bed for cancer. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you don't have to look very far to see that connection. No, you don't. No, well, you know, that was also back in the day when people were when people talk about the polio epidemic, you can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction, the body has the exact same reaction as polo as paralytic polo, polio Polio. Yeah, you know, the disease. Like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it Suzanne Humphries is it called Dsolving Illusions and it's all about that and all about like first of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing and people were getting I remember seeing kids like running through it. But it wasn't just people that were getting polio. This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio. Animals were getting polio . Like animals were getting polo, but they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals. But the horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting the same symptoms because it's fucking DD T poisoning. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning you get it and you have no symptoms . I don't know. ninety five to ninety nine percent. Really? Yeah . So it's people have it. It's DDT. Yeah. Yeah. DDT. That I mean, look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised, get polio and get fucked up and die. Of course, polio is bad. Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Flu is bad, right? Yeah. Okay, but you know what else is bad? DDT . You know what else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic, fucking spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant to it. Yeah. And you bring it up, they call you a conspiracy theorist, but it's fucking fact . It's undeniable. Well, I was like , you know, the controlling the weather. I was like that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes like laying the fucking clouds out. Have you seen have you seen it? Yes and no. Okay, so I actually did a show on this. You did? Yes. I did not an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything. You know that show that I used to do back the day ? We did a whole episode on chem trails. And one of the things we found first of all , the reason why it looks like that, this is just a fact. The reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine. It's passing through this cool air and the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds. Yeah. Those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Right. Also , they spray shit in the air. Yeah. Two things are happening. Okay . Yeah, 'cause you see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream. You're like, Okay, checks out. Then you see the other ones. And it's a different jet stream. Yeah, but it doesn't matter the condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent. But they're making just like clouds are inconsistent. We watched them the other day make laps. Yeah, but it might not be the same plane. It might just be a route, right? You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back. No, no, but you're watching consistent plane traders . Yeah. But that's why it looks like that, but it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you, listen, those planes if you look at a southwest flight and what they're not spraying . Okay, but some planes spray shit and there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding, they cause floods like what happened with fucking dub ai. Right. Ever see that Dubai shit where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway? Yeah . That is people fucking with the environment. That's what I thought was conspiracy before, which I don't know. No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding and because they're rich. Yeah, like fuck it. Make it rain, make it rain . And so there's there's real weather modification. Now that's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental shit. Like some of the shit that like Bill Gates was talking about, like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Like, hey fuck face . Who are you to make a decision for the whole world to fool the world? You didn't even graduate college. Shut the fuck up this is crazy and also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before, like cooling off the fucking planet. What if this dipshit starts the next ice age? Never fucking dies. Right. I know. I mean get the fuck out of the air. Leave us alone, stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing. And also , do you have any money invested in any of these projects that are attached to this? For sure. This you know we talk about all this stuff. You know, oh, I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this is part of my notes . Call your senators, say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of the forty five million acres that are going to be protected with the roadless rule. But to call your senators two zero two, two, two, four, three, one, two, one Say you , you want the roadless rules kept intact. And we have to we have to let our voices heard. Our voice was heard on the Snot one acre . We won that one. We have to do it again. You have to call your senators and say and just voice your concerns. It's a slippery slope. Yeah. You can't let them have any ground. But like what I here's what this thing was really pissed me off because as I said, the administration at first, I thought, okay, we got we got some good pipe hitters in there. It feels like they do what Trump says. If they don't, they're gone. They're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed. They're out of there. You can see the writing on the wall, like I don't I was I wanted Tolsi to get in there and kick ass because I knew how she felt about the war in Iran and like that would have how detrimental that would be. So I was like, I believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there. But it feels like people it's like if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullin there who just two days ago for this roadless rule, he unwinded thirty one laws that were going to protect the public land, right? Just thirty one laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to they awarded a one point seven billion dollars contract to build a wall in Texas at Big Bin National Park , one point seven million billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big B id National Park here. It's like, how? The public doesn't want that. We don't want to fuck in the wall for they're saying for border protection . And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the fucking park . So what do you think that wall's really for? I don't know. Fucking up national national park one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal is , but have you read it into though? Is there any arguments pro and cons that the wall I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up. Yeah, let's see if there's is there like a there was a public input on it again . Right. That's a problem. And then the problem is, again, they can come up with reasons they have to make some new laws because, well, we got to protect people. Yeah. And that's how the Superp Sring slope began. It was a COVID, like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities. It's like you got to do this for safety. Well, it's the same thing. Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Ben National Park. So what does it say what the argument for it is ? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than one hundred miles of US Mexico border. So it's a border wall. Yeah , from near close near the closed canyon trail in Big Bend Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Bend National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County in the Notice Homeland Security , Mark Wayne Mullen wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While U. S. customs and border protection continues to insist it will not build a thirty foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dubbed Big Ben four . So this is like not listening to the experts again, six former superintendents of Big B in National Park pinned a letter to Mollen urging him to take such a step. So again, not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the fuck they want. It doesn't matter what the public or the expert things they're think goings they're going to do it award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for one point seven billion dollars with no bid. It's like how is this how is this okay ? Yeah Yeah , it's very I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there? No, there's not. That's the thing. They have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in that park . Because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well, right? So it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also if you're going to get through that way, like good lord, right? You're going into like tough country. Yeah , and you know, that's that's good elk country down there. I know people who hunt West Texas. Good bulls . Yeah, yeah. So it's like I just I don't know. It's so if you look at the millions of Americans who treas ure Big Bin, you know, they don't want construction down there . And especially if we voted on it, fine, if there was a reason, fine, but it was never voted on. Yeah, it says the horrific plans areont an aff of ther millions of Americans who treasure Big Ben. Laken Jordal , an advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement, politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place . Yep . Yeah . And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before. Trump has never walked on dirty, he plays golf. Has to have walked on dirt. Grass, baby. That's very grass in dirt. So not on his course. But the point is, it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land , they don't give a fuck about this. No, they don't give a fucking they're not going to see it and they never would see it. But there's a border . There as well. Same spot. Yeah . Look , they have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border like who's getting the contract? Yeah . And just to award that with no bid, it's just not that I work I was a public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money . You can't just spend public money without a bid . Right . I mean, but they bypass all the shit that has the checks and balances in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money. And they bypass it all . And then you know who suffers here? It's the people who don't have like some people they go to the park for mental health. They want to go camp. They want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name , but they're appreciating nature. That's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like, I got to get out of this shit hole city and go recharge, right? Yeah. So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's wasted land. It's like we could have a shopping mall, we could have investors doing this. We could have make this work because right now they would say that well not everybody can take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we want to make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it. No . Yeah. That's that's not how it works. You're going to fuck it up. Yeah. You can't just have helicop ter landing plaids all over the fucking woods. There's there's your yeah, there's your contract. Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties. Construction contracts , including two point six billion dollars awarded this week , are being awarded to at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall . Yeah. See that streamlined process . That was bypassing thirty one laws. And so what's there now? Like what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area , is it just land? Like you just walk right across? Yeah, it's probably the river What is it? What is the border? Can we find that out, Jamie? Does it say? Okay, let's go out at let' thes look map. Okay and see what the map looks like . Okay , let's see So that's where it is. So is that the river that blocks it? Well, the river blocks the bottom of the border technically certain parts of the river. Look at it that hard to get across that river that one . Well , I mean people aren't gonna go there to cross. That's crazy. Look how beautiful that is. It's amazing. God, that's so beautiful. No, they're not going there to cross. Where's the most border crossings ? Well, for a while it was like where they had that road where they were just letting them through. Most border crossings are actually in Arizona. Really? Yeah, I'm almost positive, so I'm sure Jamie's gonna find it here. I'm asking how many happened through Big Ben . This episode is brought to you by State Farm. 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Yeah, it's just like , I don't know, just stuff like this. So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein Files, and then they do shit like this . Okay, the only official border crossing inside Big Ben National Park is the Bokai's port of entry and it sees on the order of about ten thousand legal crossings by visitors per year , plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the US Mexico border. What exists in Big Ben? Big Bend National Park shares about one hundred and eighteen miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boki's crossing, small pedestrian only crossing to the Biki's, Del Carmen, Mexico . National Park Service Information and Travel videos describe Bokias as handling roughly ten thousand visitor crossings per year. Yeah, those are mostly all legal. So seven hundred and thirty four Border Patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings. One report cited seven hundred thirty four people documented crossing in that sector by more than twenty seven thousand along the entire US Mexico border in a given period. And like what year was that where it was seven hundred thirty four? Was that before they shut down the border? It was really crazy how many people came in the country. Oh and now the fact that over four years it's north of ten million and I've talked to people that think it's twenty It doesn't say it doesn't say wow. And it just shows those out of the twenty seven thousand, but it doesn't say they're illegal. So it's not a hotspot of process. The last the last slide there said it's a small est fraction is illegal of that seven hundred and thirty four. Those were like total crossings in that area . A smallest fraction was illegal. So it's no, it's not as BS. Right. It's BS, and they're just going to do it because they got a nice contract and they want a wall, beautiful wall. Yeah, but why wall in the national park? No The Washington Post reported last week, the skyrocketing border wall contracts now totally more than nineteen point four billion in the last six months have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher. That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. Yeah. All right. That's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing. Yeah , no Bueno and so but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this like who knows what a senate what the Senate or House is voting on a fucking Tuesday . Well, it was this public land thing . You know, just added in the middle of the night. We have no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing. And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this public land too . And it's like it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. You know, it's not frustrating. Just bear meat . That's pretty fucking good. Yeah, that's that's a that's a man. That's legit. What ? Okay, so that's right. So what can be done? This bill hasn't passed, right? No, now it's going to go to the Senate. So it was in the House . Then here's what here's the problem . So this was originally this roadless rule was bipartisan. Everybody agreed, let's protect this. Now with Mike Lee adding this language in there, now it's turned , now there's lines in the sand. And nine Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to allow this, the roadless rule to get to be in there. So now it goes to the full Senate. Now they're going to need whatever the percentage is, sixty, I think sixty percent of a full Senate vote for it to pass So we'll see. So now the scumbag lobbyists get involved and they start pressuring people and help you do this and I'll do that and help me here and there. When they get overwhelmed because of switchboards . People call that two hundred two number like I said , then that makes it to everybody. And what was that number again? two hundred two, two, two, four, three, four, two, one, say you want to keep the roadless rule intact. You don't want to sell off public lands. You don't want to, this is all BS . But they do this and yeah, the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like what happened at the big beautiful bill is this part was in there and Trump wanted it in there, but it was causing such a friction he was just like, I want my big beautiful bill passed. These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did. They pulled out this. We saved the public land. Who knows what we lost that was also attached. But anyway, we saved public land at that time. They were going to for affordable housing. Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the shit that they're already working on that changes , you know, we've had we've had this in place for decades and it's worked, right? So we have to say no, we're not down with this and they have to pull it out again . Well, I hope we can get it through . We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can Cameron Haynes Instagram. I will for sure, but it's like , you know, it's this is so important because it's so important to people without a voice. So it's like I feel sometimes like how did I get in this position? I know you do too. Like where you're at the White House, you're just like, how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity ? You've earned it through decades and decades of work of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring . And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform . You've the most powerful voice probably in the world and sometimes. And so you get invited to the White House and I know like for me, I know they've used me there before, like, yeah, I created value in myself . They invited me there for Veterans Day and I said, No, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all the shit. I don't want to go and have a picture in the fucking White House. So people could be like, see , see, you fucking you're part of this. You, you know, because we did. We thought that Trump was the best option at the last election. I did. I one hundred percent believed he was better. The thing is he might still have been the best option. He might be, but and that's fine. We don't know what would have happened. No , the Kamala Harris administration. Right, a continuation of the Biden administration . I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want this celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgenders or cross dressers or any I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it . I don't want youth getting surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't I didn't want any of that. So of course I'm going to vote for Trump, right? Now I don't like any of this shit. So I have my right is to say, no, I'm not down with this . And I'm not going to fuck. I'm not going to be in your picture at the fucking white house so he can use it and all the people who listen to me would be like, oh fuck he was so wanted to go for was te and what was the premise of having you there? I don't know. But you're not a veteran. So what was the promise? It's only because I have a big platform . So they're you're going to celebrate Veterans Day at the White House and they just said let's get some famous people. Probably. I mean, it's, you know, remember the Epstein Files where all the influencers had the binder? Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah, but and there was but there's a few other influencers but they use they use they can use people like us for their messaging . And then they invited me back again after now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care. And it's just like, I don't have to agree with fucking lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like, I voted for that, but I don't agree with this and I'm not happy about this. And I want you to know that that's our right as voters. Would they invite you back again for this? This was back, it was for a public land thing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it, but I just know I had this kid on Vinji Backer. He's like has this page, this non partisan something for outdoors , but I did this show with him and there was bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places, but it's still all important to us. I did the show with him. Well , he went, I had him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back and Trump signed an executive order something about public land . And all it was pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it. Nothing has happened with it. No action's been taken. It was like all it was just they can make a press clipping out of it. Theater, a theater, and nothing's going to change. Nothing changes, nothing's protected. So that's what I feel like a lot of these times if I get invited there, it's for that. It's to make my base if I have a base. I don't have I'm not a politician, but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on . And I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side, right? I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a pretty big following. I went back there because it's a huge honor of like the few times that I've been back there and it's amazing. And it's like being in the White House, somebody like me should never be there, but I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity, but that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too much there's too for me that I'm not happy with that. I can't ignore it personally . So that's I feel like they use they use opportunities like that for, you know , for press . Well, the it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want . Or what about the military drones ? Those contracts when this war started . That's you can look into who made money on that one. Who made money on that one ? Should we look it up, Jamie? Drone military contract? Let's see who made money. I don't want to say. But you know, huh ? Okay, well, I don't know, so I'm going to be surprised. Yeah, so maybe maybe not. But like, when you follow the money , it makes a lot of sense. Of course. When you follow when you follow APAC, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit? Where do they get their money? Oh , I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician thing . His name's Adam . He's like , he goes, John Jr., what? What, Jamie, what did you find? Wait a minute What did you find? Are you? This has got to be a mistake. Eric and Don Jr invest in military drone company amid Iran war. Is it Jamie? Where'd you find this? That propaganda from Iran or something something . Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon propaganda again? No, but so anyway, you start I was talking about this local guy back home and he said that he goes , I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever. It's just a local election, but you go to a business, they say, yeah, here I got eighteen dollars I can contribute, right? So you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait, what's this APAC thing? Why do they get millions? Oh , then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, this is making a lot more sense . It's like where's the money coming from? Yeah, they get they have to take all that out of politics. Oh my god, I don't know how you could at this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye in a great , in a positive light. And then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbyists to get this person in. You're like, wait , why? That's not serving us. No, it's like what how did you stop that? When did okay , here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says. The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was twenty twelve. What thing is that? Citizens United? Citizens United . That was twenty twelve. I think so. That changed it a lot, but it was always a problem before that . I mean, there was always been like when did corporations become a real problem ? Like when did APAC become a problem? Like when did when did APAC form and when did they start donating to American politicians ? Yeah, it's first of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politicians. I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've heard people say twenty twenty two. twenty twenty two. They did not directly start donating to US political candidates until twenty twenty two . Fucking Jesus. So if I didn't if I don't I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel his first election and now he just gave an award to somebody . You can see who he just gave an award to. Give it an award. What kind of one of the big ones? One of them nice ones. They put them around your neck and you stand there in the oval office. Yep, who contributed two he just won the Olympics, who contributed two hundred and fifty million to his last election. Oh , so do you want an award? That's how much you got to pay for an award. I don't really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. So to me , that so you said like if twenty twenty two, I would imagine APAC would have around I didn't know that actually . But when I look at like if you look at Thomas Massy , he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason, right ? He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to and he did lose. Yeah. So here's the thing we'll get to that in a second . Here's the thing Citizens United decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in US politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency. And so this was what year, Jamie? twenty twenty two it was twenty twelve . Okay twenty eleven, twenty ten . twenty ten decision. So twenty ten Supreme Court decision further tilted Yeah, tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got fucked. Yeah, I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way. That was Obama. See that second bullet point , supercharged packs, which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts . So that's how they control the elections, right there. And that was the Obama administration. Dark money. Dark money from groups don't fully disclose donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to two thousand nine . But even then, like two thousand nine is after they bailed out the fucking banks. Yeah . Well, fifteen years later, Citizens United defined the twenty twenty four election. Yep, there it is. Fucked . It's a slippery slope . Yeah. that's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of her time on the court. Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disapproval of the ruling with at least twenty two states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it. Citizens United reshaped political campaigns in profound ways giving corporations and billionaire funded super pacs a central role in U. S. elections in making untraceable dark money a major force in politics . And yet it may only be now in the aftermath of the twenty twenty four election, we could begin to understand the full impact of the decision . And it's perfect too because citizens united. So this is like the language they use to dupe us . Like oh, citizens United. We're together. This is good, right? Just like the Patriot Act. Yeah, or like in Oregon the hunting thing, it's called the Peace Act. Oh yeah, tell about that because that one's bonker. Yeah, so this is nuts. So this is same thing. It's just follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. So the IP twenty eight , this is a crazy thing. They want to here's where I'll just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas like if you think of legalizing recreational drug use , you know, we did that in Oregon like heroin, math, you can have that. It's fine. It's whatever. I think they turn that back, right? But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon. Yeah, it didn't work out so well. Right . Now this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon because it's very we got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and some of these and Salem , but not just liberals . Retar. Yeah, they're more than just because I'm friends with liberals for sure. They're gone. They're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left for sure. They're full on communists , socialists, no meat, everyone should be a vegan . They want everybody to get bitten by that tick. Yeah, I mean so much. We just talk about that too. We'll get to that in a minute. But so the law the new thing the bill they're trying to pass IP Van, first of all was it was it the may who was it the governor of Washington? Which which governor was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard? Oh probably Washington . I would say fucking imagine Yeah telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe. Yeah. Well, you have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe. They also made it like during COVID, like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake. I think he got a ticket. A guy got arrested when he was surfing by himself in California. Right. So you're gonna get sick out there in the middle of the ocean surfing. It's just silly, but this IP twenty eight , they bill it as , you know, on their they'll do the same, like go to get these votes. They needed one hundred seventeen thousand votes to get this on the ballot. So to get one hundred seventeen thousand people to sign your petition . Basically all it said was stop animal cruelty. All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter to say, Hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty? Right. Okay , yeah, I love animals. Well, I love animals too. Oh, we signed this. So they didn't tell you that it's making , you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals like backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chickens. Ranchers just like even ranchers sell beef, you can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals, like we breed cows, we breed horses , there's stud feeds. There's different things that makes better race race horses, but there's also better product for beef, right? So we control like when a cow goes in heat or when he gets bred, things like that, that's part of like being a rancher . Well, they want to make that like because a cow didn't agree to it. It's like rape. It's like sexual assault . Like you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching, right? So they want to make it where they're not going to make eating meat illegal , but if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price. You're eliminating ranches in Oranges in Oregon. Yeah. So it's killing a whole indust . And they could say that like even if you if you hurt an animal , I don't know what like you could get charged with assault . So this is want every animal treated like your family pet or dog . And the thing you kill chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah, yeah. I was wondering if you know how you're driving a car and sometimes a bird flies in front of you. Right. You get arrested for that. Yeah, is that? You're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel. So this guy who introduced this , this is the third attempt at doing this. He knows he's not going to get the vote because how it works to get on the ballot, they take six percent of the votes cast in the last governor governor election. So six percent of the last votes casted, so it's a small number , but it's one hundred and seventeen thousand . They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot . But he knows this is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass , but it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long term process to get hunting and fishing stopped, right? Because I think like in general , the government , they like consumers, they don't like people being too self sufficient. They like them relying on that. This is another step like if we can get rid of ranchers hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff. Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before and him making decisions on shit he doesn't know anything about. He dropped out of college . But did you say he dropped out of college? Or yeah . So it's they want to be able to control who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is . You know, it's like it goes back to the whole WCC thing. It's like you will own nothing and be happy. It's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that where no you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We got it right and they use these nutty progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through. That's all it is. And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money, packs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them to push these wacky ideas. Right. You go, why would they do that? Well, that's why they do that. They do that because they want you dependent on them. Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't won't make it into law for sure . But they'll see where they're at. This will be like, okay, here's where we're at. Here's what we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the biggest pushback was, and they adjust . Where can we do that on the other side? It's like I know there's there's farming or ranches organizations, but like it's money. It's like who's giving these people the money? It's usually coming from out of state and they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working because when you're a rancher, you're fucking working all the time . You don't you can't go get signatures and shit . You got work to do. These fucking these environmental people that are just crazy like extremists , they get paid for doing this . So it's like , that's how that's their job . You know, a rancher has a he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and talk knock on doors. That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these prot esters, these organizers , that is their job . And that's hard for people to really understand. And until you listen to people like Mike Bens , where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things . And the fact that like most of these things are a fucking scam. Most nonprofits are a fucking scam. Definitely. And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of nonprofit, look, oh my son works for a nonprofit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah. He's like trying to help. And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy . But then you're you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh no, the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit . And most of the money goes to the support of this organization , the overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people working there. They all get paid very well and then a needed piece goes to whatever the fuck it is. The people starting the non profit will be like, okay first, I'm going to need this much money . Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP , I can count on you . You're going to make this much money . So that's what happens. And then whatever's left is like, that's their , you know, that they can't write off, that's what they contribute. Yeah. What do I see this? Oh, this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals . Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah , yeah, for sure. They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts for who crazy is that nonprofit are the most profitable . Yeah . So this whole idea it's all just bullshit . Most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the Bill Gates stuff. Yeah. There's a great book called fuck, what is it the name of the book? I read this book control of Garcs and it's all about how a lot of these guys they realized that they were having public image problems like particularly Bill Gates , like during the antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft. Yeah. Then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all about philanthropy, but they're philanthrop alists. All the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable. Like he made five hundred million dollars allegedly off the COVID vaccine off of his investments and this vaccine that didn't even fucking work well. Yeah, I think Trump got paid paid with that too . But it's like , yeah, it's you know, the money thing , I don't know, the citizens, the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this It's dark and so here it is. Put your head s on real quick. Listen this guy talk about . Congressman recently described some nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds. Person say that nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds. And I was like, I bet they are. What's going on here? Because in the United States, more than half of our hospitals are nonprofits. But the hospital world doesn't feel very nonprofit. And then I read this article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be t axed. And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in twenty twenty three so three years ago was one point three trillion dollars and it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money. In fact, three years ago so this, is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making forty five billion dollars worth of profit. And as I mentioned, we, taxpayers, give them a bunch of money. In fact, in twenty twenty one, we gave them thirty eight billion dollars , eleven point five billion dollars of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago. So this is probably more like sixty billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity . But there was a study that looked at almost fifteen hundred nonprofit hospitals and found that eighty six percent of them provided little or no charity. And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance, it's either private health insur urance or insance from the government. Only three percent of people don't have health insurance and it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out around two thousand nine, the hospitals spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed. So now it's kind of the honor system. So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the nonprofit hospitals make in profits? Turns out it go es to executives, like these CEOs who are getting paid about four and a half million dollars a year, meanwhile, their nurses make about seventy k. four and a half million a year here. Apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from nonprofit hospitals. And here's a guy Robert at a hospital in New York who paid himself fifteen point three million dollars a year nonprofit hospital. And there are really good nonprofit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low income families and people in need like St. Jude or like the Shriners. But it looks like about eighty six percent of these nonprofit hospitals get fifty or sixty billion dollars from U. S. taxpayers like you and me because they're supposed to do some form of charity, but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity and some of their CEOs are making fifteen point three million dollars a year. While we subsidize them with like fifty billion dollars. Do you think this is right? I saw this comment. Okay , so this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram . Motherfuckers. Yeah. So it's like it's again, it's just like the UFO thing. Yep. It's there's distractions . There's so much to pay attention to . There's so much fucking fraud and there's so much cat. This is what Elon told me when he started looking into the doge stuff. He's like, it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud . He's like, it's insane. That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he went to investigate the day cares and also found in California with hospice care centers. There's entire motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking nonprofit and they're all just s iphitting money. So it's madness. So that's like that's what it makes money. Regular people like me like what's the answer? It's like what's the point of all this? Alien Meanwhile, I'm paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this . Yeah . And or for war . It's like yeah, all of its gross. Yeah. Every single yeah , I mean , what we're going to have to have is some sort of sort of like radical transparency where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program and no one's going to want to turn that on, right? They're never gonna want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money. Oh , like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once. No, not one. No zero. And you look at it. You don't pass an audit, you're going to jail for sure. Yeah. Look at yeah, how much we're in debt. All the shenanigans they do with the public money. It's just like that's over exaggerated. We're only in debt thirty nine trillion dollars. That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? No, the thing is they can just print thirty nine trillion and it's done. Yeah, just pay pay it off. The reason why they don't is because they have really good control. God, you're doing a great job. It's one thing on this hunting thing. I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and How'sell like. It they've done a good job in Colorado like fighting this. This is like been we've won a few things there they tried the same thing with Oregon in Colorado the same kind of thing. Well no what Dan is doing , he's got out there initiative three hundred two, and it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado a constitutional right . Okay . So hopefully that, you know, how these just like this lobbyist and this IP twenty eight, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future. Well, if Dan is successful with this initiative three hundred and two passing, that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing. Because if we can go through there, this is like the lip mus test for it, then okay, maybe we can do this in other states also . So this is a big one coming up they're working on right now. But I mean, we have to we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing show like this, we have to be more in tune, you know, and educated on it. It's such a bummer though because like the people that I know like Mike Benz that do this all day, I do not envy . I mean, Mike Bens makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they last for hours. Like who's gonna go through them all? Well, and exposing all these different companies. Be nice, be positive. We didn't do any of that. How do you talk about this? It's hard in a nice and positive way. It's very, very, very difficult, very, especially because these are real problems Last on my list, well, I don't know if it's up on the list, but oh, I do want to talk about the Spoke line. I want to shout out Ryan Callahan from Back Country Hunters and Anglers. You know O,'Cal.. Sure, sure Great guy. Great guy. Bus has asked for this shit. Martin Heinrich, which is he's a senator there in New Mexico. He's, I think he's a Democrat. I don't give a shit about Democrat, Republican, whoever , he just fights Republican lands and he's a badass. And then also Ron Whyden there in Oregon who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on because you know it's just different but he is he does get I want I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public land sell off and Mikey and this energy resource committee, which is, you know, they're beholden to a different set of values. Usually it's money related and these guys are kind of fighting for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains. So you being positive? Yeah, I just wanted to tell those guys who are doing great. But I was gonna bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is feels like a lot for me, which I don't like, but my point on it is I feel like well let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon Marathon in your age category . Yeah . And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC one hundred and fifty seven , which is a banned substance . Yeah . So you would take for people that don't know, as ridiculous as it sounds, cam broke its foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago and you never got it fixed. So all these miles you've been running. You've been running with a broken broken foot and you went to waist to well they tr,aded your foot with stem cells and they injected BPC one hundred and fifty seven into your foot to help your foot heal. Is it healed now? Is the bone like fused up? Yeah. What did it do? It just grew back. Yeah, finally. It was like, it took a while because I didn't stop running. And what does it look like now in an x ray? It's like kind of the bone is it was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the surgeon didn't know if it was going to be able to b theone was going to be able to make it across there because I kept like moving moving it . And he told me he's like, you know, with this, this is I just had the same surgery done on my thumb where ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So your ligaments and tendon is very strong . The bone fractures. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone . So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from , because bone on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So we need a piece to that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece of broke off was. So there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery . So which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture on the outside of my foot and hope it it connected, but that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed to by design. So it probably changed the function of your foot. It would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot and I run, I have a good stride, I run well and he said, there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that you, know you, need another surgery if this doesn't work and then another one to get the hardware out . So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal? And it has . So I was like very interested in not getting this surgery based on, you know, he's a renowned surgeon and he does, all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud, trust, totally trust him, but I heard what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to work perfect. And I took that to heart. So when did you have the injury? How long ago was it was june sixteenth of twenty twenty four. Okay. Yeah. Quite a long time ago. Right. So basically a solid two years. Yeah, so I went in and I dealt with it for, I mean, it hurt for a long time. I just didn't want to stop living, you know, and I'm like, okay, if it's just pain , I have a very high pain tolerance, I don't care. I'm going to block that out and just do what I do. So I did. I did everything. I did all my hunts, I did races , and it was terrible. And but I made it. I made it through and my foot's healed. But so broke it in June, went into ways twelve, I think in July, went back in November , which is when I got that stem cell back in it. And when they put in the B PC there, that one time in November . And so that was like that was a thing. And all I said , you know, I had a very fast Eugene Marathon time for me . I'm healthier than now that I've ever been. I've retired, I've done more specific training. All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right? Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal you in an anti hunting way . So he's got that. And you're also your time, your running time. He's he eighteen years younger than you? Yes. And your running time is very similar to his. His last marathon. Yeah . And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won your age class is quicker than last year's by quite a bit. Yeah. What people don't understand is last year your fucking foot was broken. I didn't run last year 'cause I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before. Right. Was your foot broken then? No, no, okay. So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot. Yeah . And that's amazing. But how much quicker? Ten minutes? It was my best time was in my very best time was in two thousand six . Me and Lance Armstrong we did the New York Marathon. I didn't even see him during this one , but I ran two hundred and fifty, like twenty one in New York. I ran two hundred and fifty quite a few times like Boston when I ran with Lance in two thousand eight, I did run two hundred fifty again and that's when we finished together . And you know, Truit and I were talking about this too just the other day because Truit, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a two hundred and sixteen . So we're talking about this and it's just my training and even his training because I'm not a coach and I don't know , I just run to get in shape for bow hunting. Okay, I don't I'm not a pro . But and I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So he hired a real coach . And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it, and why you do certain certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from I mean, I just had the winner of the Egene Marathon on my podcast. And we did a really fast run. We ran a five hundred six mile, which I had never done a mile seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, Okay, my name's Jack Sidel. He's like an amazing athlete, has fourteen hundred followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible . So he won it. I ran with him just the other day and he said, oh, I need to do eight one hundred beater strides, which is simple essentially sprinting . After we ran super hard eight miles, climbed a three thousand or two thousand foot mountain and did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualified for the Olympics, right ? So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it. All I ever did was just go run. I just run. It's what I do. It's like, how do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way, I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile, some days twenty miles a day because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not racing related . Well, with Truitt taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey , he's he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach and like, hey, dad, you need to do this type of stuff. You know, you get on the track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run twenty six miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep . You know, if I was gonna do a marathon a day and still be a work ten hours a day. I'd have to get up at start at two hundred forty five AM and I did. And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say fuck that Dork, I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep. I can still perform. Look at it. I just ran twenty six miles yesterday on two hours of sleep . But I wasn't performing at my best because my I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades , I would work, didn't miss a day of work in twenty six years, never called on sick once Always get my miles in, always get my work done. I was leading the crews. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I'd still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted . I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could given the circum stances was a two hundred and fifty marathon. All right . So I required three or I mean I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna, cold pumps. I get, you know, I spend let's see , spend two thousand bucks a month on massage and body work . And now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truitt, he ran two hundred and thirty eight in Boston, two hundred and thirty four in Eugene, we want to on a run right before that. He said, Dad, I can't keep up with you . You should be going for the sub two hundred and thirty. He was trying to break two hundred and thirty. He goes, You should be going for the sub two hundred thirty and You're faster than me. So this was last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was going to break this same record . This year I've been healthy . I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever. I put up a post and I said, PR ER, I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room. I'm sending it. So I said PRER and I got a PR. I got two hundred thirty nine eleven , one of the fastest ever for a fifty eight year old . And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost sixty years old . But you have to look at the full picture and say like, this wasn't some just guy who just started running. I've been running since I'm five years old. I'm fifty eight. I was running, pushing myself at five , running further than any other kid in school winning an awards. That was fifty three years ago. Okay? I've been doing this a while. I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care . And so this guy said , Oh , have, you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talked shit about Truit. I don't I'm trying to be nice and be positive, so I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud Usada, I applaud Wata. I applaud queen sports. I love it. It's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just due . For me, he said, you know, he's talked about Truit, which he's already on my radar because I remember Truit said, Hey, there's the elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon because I have no chance of getting this standard . And you know, I said, Who? he And said , Why is that dishonoring the marathon? Because he was saying True was so far away from his time that it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal . My point was he's a runner just like you. He has a big dream just like you had. Why shit on his dream? If somebody says that this dream, they want to do it. You're wrong. It would be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition . That doesn't even make sense. That was just words . The words are associated because he's my son . So that's all that demanded to. But he was on my radar for that because Truit told me and I said, Who? And I hadn't didn't even know really who it was, looked him up, I'm just like, yeah, fuck whatever. So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on to my page after this and he says something like he dug up this old post from twenty eleven, which is still up there. And it talked about the shit I was taken from it was like complete nutrition, which is like GNC . And it was, you know, if you go to GNC like, you know , mask gainer two thousand, so like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not fucking steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything that on that thing that I was doing was sponsored by complete nutrition, all over the counter supplements. It's like there's no fucking EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like. It was just shit that I was lifting weights. fifteen years ago? twenty eleven. It's a blog post. He still has it. Yeah. It's like, like I said, parading around like a trophy. It's like fucking over the counter, whatever. So he said I said, Are you still talking about that? This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't God irritates me anyway. So he said, could you pass a you saw it drug test? And I said, I have no idea has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck. Probably not, though, because I didn't actually I didn't even know, but I know it's very restrictive. And I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show . We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running. Well, what stuff would you take had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test The stuff you're taking now. Like what supplements can you not take? Because there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Peptides are one of them, right? Certain peptides Certain. I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know because I decided I had never looked at the list. I tried to with this when this came up. Well, there's the other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party there's contamination of supplements that's what happened to Sugar Shaun O'Malley Osterine. It's happened to, you know , a lot of athletes. With this most of stuff that you would buy like a GNC probably an Olympian couldn't take. Or they'd have to check it out . Right. Because it's like how clean is a lab, how susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them like they're thinking about this shit every day. Like it's their whole life. If they get if they pop hot, their career's over. Yeah. So it's a huge idea. Jordan Burroughs in here and he wouldn't even try Kil Cliff CBD drink. Right? I don't think I could take this. Well, I had Cheeto on my show and I said, Hey, you want to try a ketone? He's like, I don't, I don't know. So he called Jeff Navinsky . And he said, I C takeould this ketone IQ and Jeff said, well, depends on what batch is approved . So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved . So you could fail from that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit, but he called him right before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like so there's things like that where it's just it's non stop. I don't know if I can take this, this is that. I've never been in that position because I just run a bow hunt, I've never looked at these lists, I've never done anything, but a lot of stuff that , you know, pseudophed is on there , ADHD medicine is on there you can't take or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption . That's very interesting through doctor. You can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate perform ance enhanced theoretically. I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like if this was real. Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had TUEs. Yeah. And they had TR T VTOR those days when guys were taking like large amounts of that shit. And that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the fuckin' charge testosterone. They realized okay, these guys are straight up juicing. Yeah, for sure. So but if you're a sixty year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone , it's legal. Yeah, yeah, it and it should be. It's like the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships you can say, Hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this? Right. Of course. And that's going to be the case. I'm not even talking all I'm saying is like for and I talk to Olympians about this situation because I want to make sure I understand it, right? It's like if I'm as a regular citizen so there's nine thousand runners in thee Eugen Marathon . Are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? That's right. Are they testing everybody in the UG Marathon? They don't test anybody. Anybody. So there's there's prize money that that's paid out . There's Olympic trials qualifying standards, which are met. So now you're in the Olympic trials . And I don't want to shit on the Eugene Marathon because these small marathons , they don't have the money to be testing nine thousand people probably these tests are expensive. So there's something to like if it's a U . S.T AF so, United States of America, Track and Field Association, if it's one of those events and it's for like a world championship or it's for like a team position, I get it and it does need to be for the Eugene Marathon with nine thousand people, it's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody or if you're taking whatever , you need a therapeut ic use exemption because you think USADA could review, say if people are taking three or four different medications times nine thousand , they don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs, right? It's not realistic. So there should be in my opinion , two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair. And I get that. And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said , I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC one hundred fifty seven to try to avoid surgery on my foot. And two years ago. And whatever the fallout, right? Whatever the fallout is what it is because this needs to be discussed because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races . And everybody like on the other side on say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too, trust me. I want clean sport , but they're like saying that like my time was so fast . It's almost into this they talk about this age graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said age graded like so what I think is what that looks at is like in my prime if I ran a two hundred thirty nine at age fifty eight what was my potential when I was in my prime, right? And it would be super fast like, you know, like world like two hundred and ten or two, twelve , which would have won the Olympics back when I was twenty five, you know what I mean? So I understand why my time is just like I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to kind of like this gray area like should you be tested or whatever, but all I'm saying like if the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude. I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken, what I've done, and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery. But it's also an important point. There's an important point about the sign up thing for the Eugene Marathon. If there's if you are supposed to not take certain supplements, that's supposed to be stated in the marathon sign up, right? Yeah, yeah, and it's not. Yeah. And I don't I've never I hardly look at that, but there's now after all this I looked at the waivers because, you know, you saw it has been they sent me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that I haven't responded to . And they're trying to do the best they can, but if these waivers say I looked at the waiver for I did two races this year, Eugene Marathon and Cochodona two hundred and fifty, and the waivers mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing or any of these requirements . There's no mention of it. But also the thing that doesn't make any sense is first of all, BBC one hundred and fifty seven is not a performance enhancing substance. Yeah, it helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries . That was that's one issue. The other issue is it was two fucking years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon. No, it's long out of your system. It's a smoked screen. You know, we've talked about smoked screens here. So what he's doing is basically, he's accusing you because he took BBC one hundred fifty seven and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things. I've been called a liar, a cheater, a do per , stealing stuff. It's like, yeah, but it's all fine, but this is essentially what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. We were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful and they built fuck that guy, that guy cheats, that guy, this guy same fucking thing. Yeah. This guy can appreciate that here's a guy who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight hour job. I was your friend then. Yeah. This is real . I know you did this. I was always telling you to quit your job. Yeah . Yes. That was the first guy telling you, quit that fucking job. You're killing yourself. I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail . And willpower is really important . Having a strong will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass . They will not be able to break through . But will could also get killed , you know, and it could also ruin your life. You could hurt yourself to the point, you know, you hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover , it never comes back. Like you have to there's like a fine line between mental toughness and just being able to see the big picture and go with it's actually smart to not be tough here. And it's not to deny my toughness . I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself. That's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep and I saw it. I know you did it . I watched that guy's not doing this. And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Goggins has where they can do things and people go no one can do that. The fuck they can't. Like how many UFC fighters have seen you going train with goggins and they're like Israel Atesania World Champion World class guy throwing up at a fucking garbage gang can't keep up with him Tony Ferguson like who is known in the MMA world for fucking superhuman endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime. He was Elkakui. He was the fucking booty man because he never got tired and even if you heard him, it didn't matter. He was going to recover and come back after. He's coming coming. He was for your fucking soul . That guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down and it's he's doing it in silence. No one even knows. He's doing it with no music. He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him. He's a fucking full on psychopath. They are real . There's real people out there that are really living like that. This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals. And meanwhile he needs to eat one of them in bear sticks delicious. Give me one. I want another one. It'suc fking awesome. They're great. But it's just it's just what we're talking about. It's if you and that guy actually had a conversation , thank you. If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no camer as and it was just two human beings having a conversation. I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not. You know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails because most of it entails large scale monocrop agriculture. If you're just buying plants, you are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact end of story, especially if you start talking about bees and avocados and almonds. Oh , meaning almonds. I'm healthy. You fucking killed a hundred billion bees. All right, stop. Yeah . Outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two had some real protein , he'd have a better time. Well I mean too, right? Yeah, some real fucking protein. I am friends with a lot of people just like him in belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectr um. And it hasn't affected our friendship at all because what I focus on is what do we have in common? We love the mounds, we love to run, we love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody one hundred percent. So I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them. It's like has nothing to do with anything . It's but for him, you know, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him like the reason why BPC one hundred and fifty seven is banned for Olympians, not for a regular person . Regular people can take it. Right. So I'm just like, he's like , Do you know what the rules are? And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules. So then he turned that into like, he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything he wants. I'm like, you know, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like whatever. So the rules that apply to me is this rule. And it's like if you want to talk about rules, I follow rules. Like I talked about purchasing , you know, when I was the buyer at my old job for twenty years, I had to go by laws and rules every day . And so I respect that if it has to do with me, if it like affects me, I'm like, okay, I understand it. Well this, one , you start bringing up these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for a race and I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this . This says if the USTF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug testing, it says , related published materials must contain the following language. So when I see that it says that must contain the following language . In my contract days, I'm like , well, that didn't say should or didn't say may because should in may means it doesn't have to. Right . When it says must , it must. So it says it must say this athlete who participate in this competitor in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with you blah, blah, . So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is . Their own rules say it must be included. I've never seen this language. It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with these in regard to these races. So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are. If they had just the waiver, even if they had a link, like okay, right. So if they said if you are going to race you must, be held to the standards of this race. Right. You can go visit them on this website. That's fine. I would be like, oh, that was my bad. I didn't do that. Right. They never mentioned it. So if somebody said, like, I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympi ans at all before this. I just thought that it was another maybe you could get a TUE for I didn't even know what TUE was, but because I just it's not my world. My world is bow hunting and I just try to get in as as good shape I can. You're not trying to do it for money. You're not doing it. I've never won money. I've never been on a national team . If I wanted to be , if that was what I was going to do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take THC , you know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition . So you know how long THC is in your system. Yeah . So you took it the day before, but you didn't, but you're still going to test hot run high. Yeah, but as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning? Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race and they could determine whether or not you're actually intoxicated during the race. That's how Nick Diaz got popped Takinori Gomey . He said his fucking levels were off the charts and that was . I don't believe it was . I believe that was I think that was Pride and I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States and they had it in Vegas, I believe. See if that's right it was a long time ago . I want to say this is want to say like two thousand five. It was a big win when Nick beat Takinori Gomi. Takenorigomi was one of the big stars over in Pride and Nick he got him with a go go plata, which is a crazy submission off your back where you use the shin against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and nasty . But they said he was off the charts. He was high as a kite when he was fighting , which I fucking love You're not allowed to do that. And I think for good reasons, I don't think you should be allowed, but look , the reality of these drug tests are is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition and they're a regular user they're going to have a lot of THC in their system . R Theyight just. are . And so you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. That's that's so what year was this ? Apparently, the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at one hundred and seventy five was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. doctor Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that so it was Nevada a result of fifteen is considered positive . But Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of fifty tests positive for THC. They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was one hundred and seventy five. This creates a unique situation. I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did. I don't you know , listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived. Yeah. I don't know if you can make that argument that help you win. I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. You know, he probably could go out there high and fight more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyway. So he was one of the best fighters on Earth at the time. He's a world class fighter. The idea that that helped him win. It' likes yeah prove it it's a stretch of. He was beating everybody anyway. It's a stretch. It's like I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing nine thousand people or having them, you know, like well it's also be realistic about what you're saying what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug it's not even a drug, take that peptide in twenty twenty four for a broken foot . There's no fucking chance that helped you win a marathon two years later. It does not help other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot . That's not performance enhancing. No, not but this guy's kind of a hater. Not even kind of he's a hater. It was which I understand. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I admitted that I took it and it's like at that and I actually that night I remember I didn't even know when that was I. f ucking can't remember when I went to WAS twelve. I was like, I don't I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even fucking remember. So then I got a hold of them. I said, No, I need, you know, the details of my treatment and you know it was in November of twenty twenty four and I'm like, okay well but anyway that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell , I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC one hundred fifty seven. And it's like I didn,'t know when that was, but I just kind of because he was like coming at me, I'm just like, no fuck off. It's like, I do all this. I don't know whether it's proved or not, has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm a fucking bow hunter. So I was like kind of wanted just shit on him at that time . Well , he got what he needed because admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal because it's banned just for them , not for me. And that then he could go to Usada and say, Oh, this guy took a ban and they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like they're in a position where I don't know, it's just like so much the public knows about it so much that it's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit and I'm just like I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's just like I'm not trying to win a fucking my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it into like, well, that's not fair to the other people who performing clean. It's like it's not we don't even know who's what people are taking. It's like, I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful. Everybody else just lies. Yeah , well maybe maybe lies, maybe doesn't. But the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to peel injuries. And if you're going to run marathons like the way you run them with very fast times, you're probably training really hard. If you're training really hard, you're probably going to get injured. Yeah. It's just but it's a hater thing is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar. so this is the thing. He's attacking your character, but it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. Sky's an elite athlete. No one knows who he is. Yeah, you know, that's part of the problem. Yeah. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times , like, that's like, how's that possible? He's eighteen years older than me. Fuck this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them. No, no. Or yeah, I mean and I get that. I mean, I'm a human too. I understand how that can happen . But like to call me like a doper trying to discredit everything I've I've done, it's just like it's so not even real. The approach to use is to just be honest, lay it all out and leave it alone. Yeah . I don't think like going after this guy and talking less shit is in any way beneficial. I don't I don't I want him I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't like he was talking shit about Truit. I didn't even that it's just it's just haterid. He just sees Truit running with those fucking perfect jeans on and looking all handsome. He's also a little too buffed to be a marathon runner, which drives people nuts too. Yeah. And then he also won the world pull up challenge. Like look, when someone breaks the world record and pull ups, that isn't a fucking extraordinary human being, period. And if you discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that, well, you're a fool This isn't just a regular person, right? This is a person who broke the world fucking record for chin ups or pull ups. Yeah . That's a crazy thing to do. Yeah, to do thousand s of pull ups in twenty four hours. Rip your fucking hands to shreds. Yeah. That's an extraordinary person. For him to not recognize that, he's being a bitch. Yeah, it which is fine. It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have and especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say you know how some people would say , Oh you,'re interested in border security, like protecting the border . Racist . Right. Racist. You're a Nazi. Right. You're a cheater. So to say that I'm a cheater or a doper , you don't have to say anything else because you're just like that guy so now I'm kind of tainted by with that language . When the fact of the matter is this is years ago , I don't take any I mean I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other bull shit trace gives me, but like the level of doping I know about, I don't know shit. I don't even I don't know EP. I know we've talked about this before, but I don't even know really what EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something so there's more oxygen . But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs . I'm just like I don't even take test osterone anymore because I run better low , which is weird . And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, like stream long distances, your testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing at these huge races with low testosterone or higher estrogen, they perform better. And so I'm just like, man , maybe I don't need the TRT, maybe and so I haven't like I had I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of ten . And anybody who's a doper , they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, I don't care if it's meth or fucking testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper, right? So I haven't done it because operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run . But low body weight too, that's a big yeah, I'm like one hundred forty eight is what I got down to when I was what do you right now? Like fifty two. Wow. When I met you, you were in the eighties . Yeah, I was just lifting. I just I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day . And I wanted to be like, I thought like for hunting, I needed more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for like one hundred forty eight, still very strong compared to like a normal one hundred and forty eight. So I'm still able to do the task I need to do, carry heavy loads when I kill. Optimized. Yeah. So yeah. Well, the big factor is the weight because I'm pretty heavy. Yeah. And I notice the difference. You know, like I've lost when I hunted a few years back, I got down to the one nineties early one one hundred ninety two or one hundred ninety three and I felt way lighter. Yeah. Like you would think ten pounds because right now way two hundred and two this morning. You would think ten pounds is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. When I work out and I put a twenty five pound weight vest on , it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin ups and push ups and dips. It's amazing. Yeah. And it's only twenty five pounds. And you think about how many people just normally carry twenty five extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on, you know , well and I've told truth this too it's like he's heavier but every guy lining up to run Olympic trials qualifier or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like one hundred and forty . So I said , which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity. Yeah, I mean, you got to be light. Yeah. So I said, you can't be one hundred and sixty and compete. What is he at now? He's like fifty eight. And what is he trying to get down to? He's got to be in the forties. Got to be like one hundred forty guy's gonna look like Skeletor. The guy the guy who I just ran with who ran Eugene and set the course record and all that, he's one hundred thirty five, probably like six one . Whoa. That's just the name of the game. Right. Like the East African super light, the guy who just broke the world record in the marathon, is like one thirty five or no one fifteen . Geez. A tiny little guy. So it's like makes sense. That's just that's just performance. That's just what it takes. A huge engine, a light body. Right . And so like to paint me this way when I was turningo to avid a surgery, haven't taken BPC since then it's just it's kind of just I think all you can do is state your case and I think you just did and you just did it really well and I know you and I can speak for you . You are as honest a human being as I've ever met my life. You don't lie about anything. And you are and it's also why you work so hard. You work so hard so you don't have to lie. You're an insanely hard worker. I didn't I didn't lie about this either. I mean, that's what I just said, yeah, I did. I didn't remember when, but good looked it up, here's when it was, whatever. Yeah, this guy's got to get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with him on a Keep Hammer Collective. Yeah, I mean, I don't I would talk to talk to anybody. I don't, you know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time. People, there's a there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them. And so you kind of form a n arrative and then you fight that narrative, you know, you attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. Yeah, they like to turn someone into an niven a person. That's how people have to do that with war. They love to do that with it's easy to garner support with keywords using keywords that nobody could defend would be like, okay, we got that'll work right there. And so that's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper or the racist that's why those words are always out there. Yep. It's like 'cause they're powerful. Exactly. That's exactly. And when you, you know, when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words and it buys you some time . Yeah, there's that. And there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing . Really? They think they're justified in what they're doing. Really? It's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit. One thing that I did, I think part of this I don't want to be demonized about with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized. But one thing I think a lot of people because as you said, a lot of people are taking these peptides, a lot of people are doing the TRT stuff , I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened as far as distrust in the health , I mean basically our health and wellness category. Like it started maybe with Obamacare . People are having trouble getting in their doctor. Doctors quit because it's too frustrating. So people we've had a hard time getting medical treatment like to be healthy. And then COVID happened and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said. So I think people like they see that the writing was on the wall. They couldn't get in their doctor. The doctor was like just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up, right? And it feels like it was after COVID for now like you got a ways too well and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to they want to help you feel better. Like live like an optimized life like you're old but you don't have to feel old. And so they're like , they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we don't need to do that. But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it and they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here, this, this or that, we could add this this, we could try . And then of a sudden you start to feel better and you're like, Well, these people care about my health . The doctor, what did he care about writing prescriptions? And then the doctors, they're playing a totally different game, as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched. Right. So it's no wonder that waste wells and like these other treatments may be bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to be on board with that because most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians . They reg'reular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy and that's me. While they're working a full time job, most of them. Yeah . Well, I think you laid your case out and I got a pee. Yeah. So let's wrap this bad boy up and bring him home . Congratulations on your bear hunt. You got two giant monsters. Oh yeah, we got John and Jenny. Yeah, shout out to John and Jen Rivat. Yeah. I'm gonna try to come next year . Love those guys . Love those guys . I love that place they have up there too. It's crazy . And for people who don't know , these bear have no natural predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves . They're ruthless predators, opportunistic hunters. They eat each other . Just to put that in perspective, in Alaska, they're flying out of helicopters, shooting bear. Yeah, because there's so many of them en notough for getting killed. So they wipe out all the ungulates. Yeah. So it's like it's an issue. You just don't know about it. You know, people don't know that Alaska is flying to helicopters leaving bear after they kill them. I know and everybody thinks of bears as yogi yogi, and booboo and you know come for a trip, take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real shit . Yeah, yeah, I know it's I remember when you know I've told the story, you know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we're out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah, they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies. So that's like crazy. That's quite a way from where we hunt now just because that crazy grizzly starts coming in the bait that's all got to get out of there especially I like to sit on the ground and they need to start hunting then up them up there too . I know you know this is the when they changed that law in BC they made it a fucking disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now. Yeah. And it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And it's ballot box biology. It's people that they're trying to be good people. Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah, these cruel assholes. They just want to shoot this animal for its skin. Yeah, fuck them. They just want to show what a big man they are by killing an animal. Like that guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like he's like, he's like, oh, I understand deer and elk honey, but not bear. It's just like, well, you don't know what you did ? How was that bear? How's that any different than deer and elk? My daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy because Steve Ranella taught me a recipe called Bear Candy how to make this like it's like a you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal, but with bear it was fucking delicious and I served it for my kids and my daughter, I think she was just trying to like jostle people up a little bit. I ate . Well Jin makes some badass bear stir fry. Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, I was like her bear meat is fantastic. I was just thinking to myself, Mountain Offs has those new freeze dried meals. Maybe I need to get some right and dehydrated. Get some bear meat in there. Yeah. Because those things are good. Food. He does it all in a dehydrator, then it rehydrates it in camp. He vacuum seals his own stuff. Some of those meals do. Yeah. Well, it's the best way to do it too if you want to eat clean. If you want to eat clean in the mountains, get a dehydrator for that energy because just like in Ultra's and performing, what you're using for calories matters. A hundred percent. So especially on a long hunt, if you can like we had I had some mountain ops freeze dried in there like chicken alfredo , that's just fucking good calories. One hundred percent. And also electrolytes. Boy, it changed for me when I started using element, when I started throwing an element, my water when I was out there. Giant difference. Get those electrolytes. That's the first thing I drink in the morning is an element. Yeah, because I know I run every day. I know I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much I run. For sure. Like I run so much like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat and wet clothes sitting on my skin has makes all these sores from running for hours in a wet shirt. That's crazy. And so guys wear their nipples out , they have to put that yeah, that happens. I wear like , I wear like a bra sort of well it's like a little running pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces and it's like just being wet but that's crazy . It's big sores on your skin from a t shirt. It does just from being just started running in silk just from being warm, but I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, it sets me up for the whole day to be able to perform at a higher level . Even just some sea salt and your water like you need minerals. Everybody does need electrolytes Let's wrap it up. Yep, all right. Brother, I love you to death. Love you. Awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to come on here and there's all very important stuff to talk about. And one more time, that number for everybody. I want to call that number. I know. Call you call your sinners. two zero two two three four three three one two one. Say roadless rule needs to stay intact. Mikey can suck a big fat one. Yeah. Bye everybody