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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. During my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night. All day What's happening. Buddy. It's a hell of fucking bell buckle. What is that? What is that? What's going on there? So this one is for a horse I have called Maverick Buzz the Tower that won reserve at the Futurity . And they give you a bell buckle if you win? buck A belt ling money. That's a dope belt buckle. Expensive belt buckle. So guys like you that understand horses, like if you saw someone with one of those, you would know exactly what that is right away. Oh, yeah. And that year, depending on the year, I'm going to know the horse Fighters. Fighters. I guess. I guess it's probably similar. Yeah. But then oh that guy won the thing in twenty twelve. He fought so and so on this same with me and horse. It's also so interesting to me how these these there's different sort of categories of interests that people have that you know, one person might not know anything I don't know anything about horses, but you're like fucking balls deep. You know , fuck everything about horses it's crazy. Yeah. It's such an interesting like pool of knowledge . The people that are really into horses. And when they start explaining, you go, oh , this is not as simple as oh that's a horse and that's a horse too. Like gen there'ets ic lines and there's certain tendencies that certain horses actually pass on to their offspring. Oh yeah. Oh it's crazy stuff. There's a stallion and I really like him. I've got a number of horses by this day and his name's Spook's Gott Whiz . And they're just incredibly balanced, real freely, very, very quick footed, big stoppers, but they see dead people, they see ghosts. So like what? Once every three months for no reason, this thing's gonna fucking check out . And I mean check out , just decide it's not safe here. We're going back to the barn. You can come with me or I'm gonna buck your ass off or I'm going to flip over , he just loses his mind. Whoa. And you never know when it's gonna happen. And his children have this as well? Yeah . Whoa . Just a little quirk. And that's but other than that, they're getting automatic. That's a big quirk. That's like if you have a corvette and decides to drive home. Yeah, a little bit, little bit. Most of the time you could go to the store. We all deal with it because they're worth it. I guess, but that seems so crazy. The horse seat. Do you really think it sees ghosts? He I don't know what he sees. Some kind of boogey man. A lot of them are deaf . So really? Yeah, why? So well there's a there's a gene. Typically if you see a horse with a white face and the white goes above the eyes , typically that horse is deaf. Wow . And so they can't hear , but they can feel the vibrations. So like that could set one of those horses off. Just anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it. Yeah, I mean, they're prey animals . Right . So wow. The deaf thing's crazy. I wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where they could sort of tune out distractions . You know, I would imagine if a horse is at a road . Yes, one hundred percent because you know this crowds are screaming and yelling is not going to bother them. Now if they start stomping their feet, I was going to show this one horse of mine and I'm about to run in the pen and all these guys are cheering for this Italian rider and they're all beating on the side of the arena And my horse checked the fuck . Check the fuck. Like a whole herd of elephant . Wow, I can imagine how weird that is for the horse. Yeah. Like it's being told to do something, but its instincts are like, no, yeah. We got to get the fuck out here of. I can't hear anything . That's nuts. The hearing thing there's a famous pool player, his name is Shane Van Boning. He's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, if not the greatest, and he's deaf. And he has hearing aids. And when he plays, he shuts him off. He just goes click and goes into this world his own just of balls and geometry and just doesn't miss. Just a horrifying person to play and because the fact that he's got that extra sense shut off like the hearing he could shut it off. It's not just that I mean he's also obsessive. He practices ten hours a day. I mean, he's an all time wizard like he's won the US Open was the hard est tournament to win in all of pool. He's won it five times which is just only one other guy in history Earl Strickland that's won at five times. Everybody plays pool like everybody a little Yeah, but then the levels to the game , like you start getting a professional pool player. Yeah . And they're playing a totally different game. It's a totally different just watching it, you realize like, oh my god, what am I doing? I'm hitting the ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm doing. My angles are all fucked up. Like this guy's playing that with English. I would just hit it straight. You want to spin up spin it hits over here and it's just it's the control the ball. It's just like they're part of the stick is the part of their body. The stick and the ball they're all connected in space and time and they know where that ball's going within millimeters it's nuts to watch like some of these guys they'll hit a ball and it'll travel. It's a nine foot table. It'll travel all the fuck away around the tip. It's like a twelve foot distance and it'll go in a two inch spot and you just go fuck me . It's great. then And if you do that at the end, you're deaf too. Like you don't even hear the cheers. You're just still in the zone. Just hyper focused. Yeah, just hyper focused. Autism probably helps too . If you have that , you know, a lot. Oh yeah, just to touch. I got a little I think. I think anybody's good at anything. Anybody's good at anything is either ADHD or autistic? Yeah . They tried to give me medicine for the ADHD. Did they? Yeah, I'm like fuck no. How old were you when they tried to give it to you? Oh, when I well, they did give it to me when I was a kid. Really? Yeah. What did they give you? And then who knows? But whatever you're lobotomized, right? And then fuck . And so I stopped taking it just because I was just like, you know ? And so my parents were like, fuck it just let him run around . My neighbor's kid they gave it to him when I when I lived in California, it was such a bummer. He was this wild little kid and they gave it to him and all of a sudden he was flat. Yep. And I was like, oh , and the lady was like, Oh, he's on medication now because he's hyperactive. I'm like, oh my god, not my kid, not my place. I'm not saying nothing. I just go to work. You know, I was single back then and I was like twenty eight or twenty nine and I was just so confused how you could do that and I kept thinking like if somebody did that to me when I was a kid for sure I would have been on drugs . If my parents knew about those options . could They shut me the fuck up. If I had the wrong parent, my parents wouldn't have done it. But if I had the wrong parents, one hundred percent I had all the traits that would have allowed me to get on the riddle in a row. Superpower. If you understand it, exactly. It's a superpower. Yeah , if you could find something you love. People say, how in the world can you write a script? You write all these things? It's not that hard. Like, once I know what it is, I can sit you could sit me in an airport around a thousand people. I won't hear them and I can sit there for twelve hours straight. Because you love it. I just get I just hyperfocus. But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of pop tarts or can't go in there. Physically can't do it. Yeah. It's not going in there. Yeah. That's that's the superpower. The superpower is you can find something you love and focus on it. But the way our education system is designed is so ass backwards. You take kids that are so ener getic and they have so much life and you just squeeze it out of them. Just sit still , stay put, listen to boring shit. And all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building and go do something fun . Wasn't the like essentially what we call the modern public education system found or really by the Rockefellers Yep, as a means to create work ers. Yep, yep. That's it. Compliant workers and soldiers. Conform just one of the reasons why they decided to start school so early for kids is the earlier you can start 'em, the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do. And the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this, that or the other thing, including all the trans stuff that you see in school, all the pride stuff, and teachers are working with preschool kids and they're talking about sexual ity and gender you're like they're fucking sex like they don't know what you're talking like why are you even talking to them about that? Because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause. And it could be anything. It could be your religion, it could be your political ideology, it could be being a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever. If you get kids young enough, you can talk them into doing almost anything. That's why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try to get guys in their forties with a family to strap a vest on. They try to get kids . This episode is brought to you by Create, the leading brand in creatine. 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Qatar , for example, obviously Russia, China, all these are enemies donating money to all of these various groups to divide to just eat away from the inside. Russia has been doing it since the seventies. Yeah. sixty's sixties. Yeah, yeah. That Yuri Besmoff, I'm sure you've seen that video. Yeah. Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Besmanoff, and it's in nineteen eighty four, and this guy is essentially describing what America is going to look like eventually and he's dead on just dead on. Yeah. Dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities completely poison their mind, push out any ideas of patriotism being a virtue, all the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered. Yeah. It's wild. Just look at who it benefits. That's it. That's it. It's real simple. Yeah, just look and see who it benefits. Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country as well, unfortunately. There's a lot of people that really love division and they can profit off of it and they can work an angle. You know, we're with you. And this is a big part of the problem with the whole idea of nonprofits nonprofits in theory are awesome . It's a great thing that people are willing to donate their money. Like wealthy people who are doing well say, you know what? I think my money could be best suited helping out other people. It's beautiful. It's one of the most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable when they don't have to be. They do it because they want to and they really want to help . Then you find out what's really going on and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and employees. Well, think about this. If I create a nonprofit to go solve, well, LA's a perfect example. We can look at the homeless situation that they have there, and all these NGOs that are getting all of this money . And the problem is getting worse. It's not getting better. Right. It's getting worse. But if I form an NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem , well then what do I what do I do with my NGO? Exactly. I got a money. Now there's no reason to give me money. So they don't create them to solve problems. Inside things are totally exacerbate the problem . Make the problem worse, make it longer, make it bigger. Look how big the problem is. We need more money. Some kind was doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry, industry, I say in air quotes, in California, because that's really what it is. They spent twenty four billion dollars on the homeless problem and no one can account for it. And they tried to get an accounting of it. They tried to do an audit of it and Newsom vetoed it, vetoed it. Like why would you want to know? Let's stop let's stop all that nonsense and build this fucking train track to nowhere that's never gonna get built. They have a mile of it. They have a mile of that train. It's only cost a hundred billion dollars, relax . Like things take time. They have a fucking mile. We're trying to choose the path. How about right beside the I five? How about that? How about right next to the flat fucking highway? Everything they do sucks . How about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? Yeah , it's like over a hundred million dollars still not done. And they have them, by the way, that's not a new concept. They have those throughout the West. Yeah. And they don't cost shit. They don't cost much money at all. And they fix them quick. They do it quick. It's just Yeah, they're done in a couple of months. Yeah, pour some cement , put some sod down, plant some fucking grass, and away you go. Where you go. But there, but we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that. It's a it's like, it is as goofy as it gets. And then you think it's as goofy as it gets and then you hear that Portland just okay, so this is going to be on the ballot in November. It got enough votes to be on the ballot . And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop animal animal cruelty? I certainly want to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty. So what does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching , no agriculture , no animals that get harmed in any way, no killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken. Nothing . No animals die. Anything this is a city ordination fucking vote Oregon is voting on this in November . No fishing , no fishing. What are you saying? Are you fucking high and no so no hunting, no ranching, ranching. You can't ranch. You gonna kill cow? What are you crazy? That's illegal in Oregon . And here's that probably sounds like a good idea to one of those people. And then but here's my question. All right, so let's do it. Let's just say let's just outlaw ranch. Let's just say fuckin' . Well, there's ninety one million cattle in the country. So what do we do with them? Just leave them alone, let nature take its course . Yeah, but there's but they're not but there's no there's no nature to take its course. It's ninety one million head of fucking cattle. And I can promise you this, if you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not gonna they're wandering the highway. Yeah . And then the bulls are out. Yeah. So you're gonna keep the bulls contained. No , the bulls are going to kill people. Yeah, and make more cattle, and make more cattle. Yeah. So now we have nine hundred million cattle in three decades. Yeah, and fuck all your fences. Bulls are gonna smash them . Bulls are gonna eat your grass. Bulls are gonna bulls are gonna stom p your dog. Like what are you talking about? I can't but it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just a vibe man . It's like and it's not even a well thought out one, but the problem is you don't have to be well thought out to get on the ballot . You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all of a sudden people are like, Oh, that would be good. Let's stop animal cruelty . And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. It'll probably pass. Yeah . I don't think it'll pass. According to this New York Times article, it was a guy, one guy. One guy. I got one hundred thirty five thousand signatures and got it passed to that level. I wonder how many of them are homeless people moved to Portland from Denver, from Southern California where I'm trying to figure out Do we have a photo of this dude? I want to see what this guy looks like. Show him by course he's from Southern California. Of course he is. Is it vegan? Oh, that's weird. I would have never guessed. Teacher. Oh, substitute teacher. Keeps getting centered . I lost it. What else? That's all I was saying. I didn't hear him very well. Well, they shouldn't. It's a crazy idea. Micholson. Yeah. Substitute teacher, vegan and petitions organizer. It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system . What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's the system? You talk about nature? What are you talking about ? Like they're going to kill each other stupid. Like what the fuck are you talking about? Is it somehow another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into a pen of sheep and tears them apart? Yeah he figured the chance of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland He's probably not wrong. Yeah, it's probably a good bet. Yeah. Solid bet. Yeah. Jeez, he was sitting there going Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon, where am I? You gotta go to Portland? Vegan. Go to Portland and take some medication and just fucking have a good time. There he is. There we go. Hey fella . He's already gotten too much attention from us. Yeah , it's there's a lot of silly people in the world and you know, like we were talking about with young people, if you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your show when he had explained to that vegan lady Oh yeah such a good moment. How cute does an animal have to be before you care if it can lives? Yeah . And what the actual like what life gets killed when you're just talking about farming , just food plow on a field? Yeah, just plow on a field. Or or go build a road . I want to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road. Yeah. And if you're riding on those roads, yeah, you're in that system. And then there's the bees . Like the amount of bees that die every year so we can have avocados as bananas. Yeah. Bringing them from Brazil . By the billions by the billions? By the bees. And they die. Bees and then on top of the so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right? Yeah. Almonds, you know what's fascinating and I'm gonna we can look it up almonds , the amount it's something like nineteen gallons of water is what you have to give to get one almond . Is that real? Yeah, yeah, we can we can yeah, it's fucking bananas My doctor told me Owls are gonna be good for you . Well, you know it's he said they're okay for you, he said, but you know there's a time in the Mediterranean where they were poisonous they have strict in them . And it's one of the first domesticated plants. And what people realize, whoever homo sapiens or neananderthals or whoever's wandering around, they're like the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree H ere okay from this one not okay from that one so they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat Oh, interesting . And so that's so the almond originally . This episode is brought to you by Wild Pastures. Here's a deal folks. 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That's wildpastures dot com slash rogan. Relatively water intensive crop each time hundred gallons of water per pound That's so crazy . And then oh my god, here's my new look, I'm a writer, right? So words matter to me and when we when we misuse them in our society , it just bothers me. Right? So all these things that we're calling milk, like almond, almond milk. Right. And I'm just determined to call it almond juice that's what it fucking is. It's not even almond juice, it's not like work . It's almond tea almost. We're taking almonds, pulverizing them and brining them in water essentially, leaching out the flavor of the almond and then add a bunch of shit to it and sugar and water. Loud and lot of sugar. My friend Duncan was like, Dude, almond milk is good for you. I go, You're looking how much sugar is in there? And we were on the phone. And he goes, holy shit. I go, yeah, man, that's why it tastes good. But my doctor told me I had oxalates in my diet in my blood test. He said your oxalates are kind of high. Are you eating almonds? And I said, Yeah, I eat almonds all the time. He's like, yeah, cut back. He goes, That's where it's from. Really? Yeah. Find out how much oxalates are in almonds. I just listen to them and also it's a lot of like a lot of that gluten free flour stuff . If you buy a lot of that stuff, it's like almond flour a lot of the times . Right. Almonds are a high oxalate food. Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys, and appear in urine, which may increase kidney stone risk in susceptible people. Yeah . Almonds contain about two hundred and ninety six milligrams of oxalate per hundred grams, roughly four milligrams per nut, putting them in the high oxalate category . Yeah . Yeah, he said they're not bad if you just have them every now and then he goes, but don't do it on a regular basis. Yeah . There's a lot of stuff that has high oxygen. If people don't think about it, they can really fuck you up. Kale, for instance. Like I used to drink kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me you really should cook the kale. Cook it and then filter out whatever the water's in it. And I go, really? I go, why? He goes to oxalates. He goes, You want to cook the oxalates out of them? Really? Yeah, that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones. With some folks, they drink a lot of those green smoothies , which I used to do every day. I used to take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch of apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all up and drink at the beginning of the day. I thought I was doing a good thing . And he was like, you're just blasting your system with oxalates. And I was like, oh, why ? Yeah, I know some fucking eggs bro. He said bacon, have some bacon. I'm like, fucking bacon's better for you. Like my journey of figuring out what to eat was a long one. It was a long one and thank God I got this podcast because if I hadn't had all those conversations with people where I realized like oh so we're like now and the food pyramid's completely flipped, which is hilarious. Yeah, but it's like I've had enough conversations so I realized like, oh, all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they're giving advice and it's weird. It's weird how much bad advice there is for food and for health and for fucking fill in the blank. Almost everything in our society. The food pyramid was created by Johnson and Johnson. Yeah, it's John One of those. Yeah. How do we get people to eat our shit in the morning and then again at lunch? And then well, the one thing that we can't control when they talk about the one thing that we do not have this massive industrialized meat product ion because no there's no economical way to do it. They'd do it if they could. Harris Ranch, which you've probably seen off I five in California's the closest version of that. But what is a feed yard, right? Where you get them together and feed cattle for ninety to one hundred and fifty days before you go sino off and slaughter them. That's the closest thing there is to an industrialized beef industry because it's a very inefficient way. It's way better to farm , right? It's more efficient to farm than it is graze cattle. So you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you can't farm at the end of the day . You want to graze cattle are great at taking protein from poor protein sources and metabolizing it, right? So you graze them in real rocky terrain with native grasses that you can't farm, can't tell it , just can't , and it needs to be eaten by something or weeds will overtake it, right? Because grass grass grows better when it's being grazed . And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it. The most centralized it is at the packing house, right where you've got four packing major packing houses that control ninety something percent of the beef industry . And that's starting to change. COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher to sit there and get their product out, right? And find small they start popping up. People have opened these USDA facilities that don't process eight hundred head of cattle an hour they maybe do fifty , or fifty a day and now people can go there because they're a USDA facility they can buy beef directly from them, buy it from the rancher , right? And you can control where your food's coming from as opposed to what was happening where you'd get a bunch of if you're going to go get a burger you're eating some Australian killer bowl, right? For the most part or something from Brazil and they or you're not eating something that you want to eat, right ? When you go to a nice steakhouse , the steak s there are they're going to come from most likely Texas , Iowa, Nebraska , Montana, there's select areas where people are spending that kind of attention and time to raise that kind of quality of beef, right? And it's been done by smaller ranchers. It may be a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people . You know, four sixes is three hundred thousand acres, but there's twelve cowboys. Wow. twelve cowboys for three hundred thousand acres is nuts. Yeah . How do they keep track of everything? I mean , we break it down into pastures and then you have and then the pastures fall under the terminology is this. Let's say oh if you're in Guthrie there's a there's a camp and we call it south camp because it's in the south and it's responsible for fifty thousand acres , right? Which is broken down into multiple pastures that are between seven and ten thousand acres. There's one big pasture in that camp. It's like fourteen thousand acres . And so then you have North Camp, you have what we call then we have camps around the town, little town of Guthrie. So you break it down into the responsibility of each cowboy's somewhere between thirtyty five and fif thousand acres . Wow . That's a hell of a responsibility . Yeah, that's a lot of work, man. A lot of work. You know, what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone , it got people like really attracted to the idea of brutal hard work as being romantic . Yeah , you know, people like really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were just like so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busting their ass and working all day hard fucking work and then just hanging out together afterwards. And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romant ic to people that it just really resonated with so many people . They didn't even know that they liked that. Well , it's uniquely American and the amount of freedom that is so we move somebody out to South Camp and we go, okay, so here you are. There's your house at South Camp. See in a week or so . Go figure shit out . Keep tracking the cattle. And you give a string of horses and they work their horses and they ride that property. They know every inch of it and you don't ever you don't we don't we don't have weekly corporate meetings. How do they get supplies? the house stocked in advance ? Yeah, go to town , you know , towns, which is an endeavor, right? Town's ninety miles away. So you go to town once a week, right? Stock adventure, stock up, go back. Wow . Yeah, but it's a crazy life. And people in Correct, not every this isn't true of every cowboy. There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch and that's the life that they know and that's what they want to do , right? But they still go off to college . Like almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree . Like they went to school . Wow to study . What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy? I mean, there's quite a few of them Texas Tech. I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program. A bunch of the guys on the sixes went there. TCU has a ranch management program, a good one, Texas A and M You know, we have a we have vets that live on the ranch. Obviously we breed a ton of horses . And so our vets here Colorado State is an excellent veterinary school for large animal vets. Obviously Tex,as A and M is a phenomenal school, Texas tech as well. Those are Dude, how the fuck do you pay attention to everything? You're running a gigantic ranch and you have about forty eight TV shows . How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, How the fuck is he doing this? Like, where does he have this time ? Part of it is if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew is the same crew I made Wind River with when we had no money . I remember one time I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP , Ben Richardson and there's not a producer. We haven't se en anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at seven below zero in northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck off to Hawaiian. Nobody would know for a while We have their money and they don't know. They don't actually know where we are . They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie, which we did . And it was incredibly difficult, but that's the same team that went over and did Yellowstone , which is then the same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown with me and then eighteen eighty three, twenty three, Lioness, Landman, all of them . And we've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are now First ADs, I've got camera operators that are now directors . So we've promoted from within. So everyone understands the way we do it. And it's so freaking efficient. We don't ever have, and you know, 'cause you've been in this industry forever , these people will have meetings upon meeting upon meeting. They'll have a tone meeting where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and try and talk about the tone of the script. What wouldn't you read the fucking thing? We have to have a meeting about it. How about we don't have a meeting about it? And then they'll have a they'll have a and this is also networks. They love this shit so that they can have a reason for their existence, right? These middle management people. And they want to do a prop show and tell where someone's gonna come show them all the props that we're going to use . Really? Well, we don't do that shit because I'm like, I need your permission to use Bic lighter I'm going to use in this fucking scene . How about I just make the decision ? And how about we use the same bit lighter in all these fucking shows and I don't ever have to pick a bit lighter again? How about that? So we just stream lined it and made it to where it's so efficient. Typically a TV show will start up and they'll prep for twelve weeks before they start filming . We do it in four . Wow . Well that, makes m sakesense sense. It that it's streamlined 'cause I've been on shows when they first start out and it's chaos and there's a lot of network involvement and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once it gets going they go Oh you guys know what you're doing leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. We're there from the beginning now. That's beautiful. We haven't missed if you don't miss. Right. Well, it's like you don't miss. Like you don't miss with the writing, you don't miss with the storylines. Like, you don't have any duds, man, which is incredibly incredible. It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows and all of them be good and all of them be, you know, like very addictive. You know, Landman is so addictive it's that show . It's about something very serious and then I can just throw shit at him. Yeah. Let me just take a bunch of old people to a strip club. Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius. I love that guy. He's so good on that show. It's like it was made for him.. It was made for him I mean, he's done so many things. I went to Billy Bob before I wrote a word and I told him. I said, If you don't do this, I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to chase my tail. He goes, What is it? I said, I want to do. I said, basically, I want to take your character from Bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run an old company. He goes, You want the guy from Bad Santa to run an old company? I said, That's what I want. He goes, That sounds fucking awesome. Well, it's educational too. I mean, a lot of people like have no idea how the oil business works and you watch that tell you , Jesus Christ, what a crazy job. It's an insane job, and and the other thing about it is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum in every single aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it, and we can debate how bad it is or isn't and or not debate it. The reality is we don't have an alternative. Like it does not exist . It simply doesn't exist. And we could sit there and say, well, when this no . You sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum fuels is cold fusion and we're thirty forty years from it , being something that we can rely upon and reduce little nuclear reactors, like it ies, like the size of this coffee pot. This episode is brought to you by eight Sleep. 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How long does it take before these disasters? Like that sounds funny. Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city is an awesome idea. Having everyone have their own nuclear power plant sounds fucking crazy. You know, how many assholes are gonna cut into that thing? Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves. So I don't think we should be giving I've done it. I'm like, well, how bad can it really be? There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that someone can die in the house. No, we don't know. We're nuts . People are nuts. If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants . Not with these monkeys. Not with the human beings that we are today, our current form. We're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house . Fuck . Yeah , so we're we're dependent upon it That's why we're in Iran right now And also because of Israel. But I mean we're in Iran . I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil. The Strait of Hormuz , it's like, I think it's forty percent of the world's oil supply passes through there . Yeah, like Christ . No, that's and and I think also China . It's a big play against it's a chess piece against China. That's what I think. Yeah, all of it is fucking terrifying. What and I'm not saying we should have or we shouldn't have, I'm not commenting politically, but what those guys, those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster. It's crazy. Whether I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying. Right. The team was sent and then the team . I mean, can you imagine? If I wrote it in a movie, people will go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor. Right. They're gonna fly a bunch of SF dudes, drop 'em off on the roof of this high rise surrounded by the fucking Cub an special forces and they're going to kill all of them and then they're gonna fucking snatch him and his wife, go back to the roof and just fucking fly away . That's what they . And they're do going it to with sound. They're going to disable everyone with a sound weapon. Like what? Like there was do you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome that people were dismissing this is horseshit. This is bullshit. Yeah. Like no, they're talking about people that are in Havana that, they've been targeted, something zapped them low level frequencies made them nauseous. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela. Who knows? The discombobulator, that's what it's called a classified secret weapon system. President Donald Trump claimed U. S. forces used during the january third operation to capture Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro. He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses, preventing them from firing back . So it's both it disables the people and it disables their weapon system . What? That's amazing. What the fuck are we doing? Official silence would ask for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions. Trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to talk about it . He says they press buttons He claimed the defense forces press buttons and nothing worked disabling both Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel. He also referred to it he also referred to a sonic weapon being used against Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress fucking Ay man . I would love to see what that look s like . You know, I bet they have video too. Yeah, all we're in GoPros. I'd love to go into a skiff, just show me the video. I won't say no. I want to see what it looks like. I just want to watch. What does it look like when somebody gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled? Like apparently they just fell to the ground in agony. They couldn't move. Yeah. And they just went and shot everything frickin' SF snipers just frickin' on top of that, just raining down on them. It's crazy. Like that guy thought he was safe . Crazy. And there's a famous video of him saying come and get me. Oh yeah, bro. Yeah, be careful. What bear you poke? Yeah. Also, it's like we none of us know what the tip of the spear technology in weapon systems is available right now. We don't know. They don't tell us. They don't tell us. Obviously, no one knew this fucking discombobulator thing existed. This is science fiction . Yeah, right if this is twenty years ago, you'd be like, That's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh shit, they used it. It's not just a concept. They fucking used it. What else? What are they? What are they cooking out in the desert in the middle of Nevada? Who knows ? Yeah, think about this for that to be used , there's something four generations past that. A hundred percent they're playing with now. Yeah, one hundred percent . You know, this whole UAP world stuff . Like when they start talking about UAPs, all of my bullshit alarms go off, all of them. It's like, I don't believe if you knew things you would tell us. So I don't believe you're telling us the truth . I think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades and decades and some super high level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system and they have that stuff flying around in the sky. And I think that's what a lot of people are saying. That's what a lot of people are saying. That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there because I think there is. But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing that's ours . Yeah , testing. Yeah. Testing, stuff with it. If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses . Why would they not go hey guys ? Fire up that fucking missile and take we found this blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing . Well, I think maybe every intelligence species that's tribal and territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution. And if you look at human history , you know, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night. Jesus crying and how many Ottoman Turks got killed and his famous methods of putting people on posts and separating them down the line on the road so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him, they just see the enemy stuck on skewers and in geometric patterns and shit. He would do them in like stars and stuff. He was a vicious motherfucker. And he's the motivation behind or the, you know, the inspiration behind the Dracula. Yep. And I was reading about that guy. I'm like fuck people have always been awful . They've always been awful . But they just like as time goes on, they get a little less awful , a little less. Like we're a little less awful now than we were during Nazi Germ any. Not totally great . Not collectively. Right. Certain ly we're still willing to do genocide. Some of us are, but it's less less approved. It's less are horrified at it. It's like humans are getting a little bit better. It's not as quick as we'd like . And I think if I was an alien lifeform, I would say you have to wait this out. It's like if you have a kid, you gotta let the kid fall down , stumble stumble. You got to let him get hurt. You got to let things happen. You gotta let him fuck up and figure it out himself. You got to figure this out, make it right. You fucked this up. You got to give him a chance to become better . I think as a civiliz ation, I would think the same thing would apply. You have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt and get past where it's at right now. And I don't think you do that by intervening and like grabbing us by the hand and show ing us the way. I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other and just sort of pay attention to all the different international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve. Yeah, that's what I would do if I was an intelligent life form observing people. The interesting thing that we're as a civilization facing now and it's always happened in some capacity when a society gets wealthy, really wealthy. And people start to question wealth and how can we be more equitable and it comes across like compassion, but it really comes down to a debate of what is more valuable to a society. Is self determination more valuable or is equity more valuable? And by equity, what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit, everyone . So you take them off , we're not in a monetary society anymore. Now you're working for the collective, and you're hearing that word throwing around a lot. These days the problem with working for the collective is who decides who picks up the trash and who decides who gets to go represent your nation at the Olympics, who gets to decide who gets is someone going to let me go make TV shows? Which by the way, I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard. Right. So now I don't want to do it . Well, then you got to go do this, well I don't want to do that e ither. And that's the problem. And then they force you to do things. Yeah. And then so then they do that. And so with guns. Yeah. So then so you either have self determination in your attempt to be collective, you have to surrender that. And then you're surrendering it to who ? And now you have a dictatorship, no matter what the fuck you thought you had. Yeah , it always comes back to that. You can look at Marxism and Leninism and what Lenin was talking about his hopes, whether they were his hopes or not . But it devolved an authoritarian regime very , very quickly. And communism, socialism, fascism , Nazism, they're all very, very similar. The differences are superficial. I think Inran said that they're just superficial variations between the exact same thing , which is the evil of the collective . The evil of a collective and human beings desire to control their people. Yeah. They love to. They and anytime you give them a chance where they could feel righteous about controlling people, they jump at it and they have an opportunity to classify people. There's good people and bad people and the bad people, you can do whatever you want to them. They're the other . And that happens with every groups get into power like that and tell you what you can and can't do. And you're seeing that being embraced shockingly, more and more all over the world. People are embracing more government power and more government control. And it's really crazy. It's really crazy to say. It's unique. I think that number one, I think in thirty years when they look back , like we are still suffering from a society from COVID, like still and not so much from the disease itself , but from our faith in the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media, whether it's pharmaceutical companies . And the way that it was manipulated to gain power for a political group and it was effective and so when something's effective, then people just keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective, right . We did that in our military with the win's hearts and minds, right? So that all comes from Japan, right? We're going to win the hearts and minds of Japanese. Well, the Japanese surrendered , like their emperor, who they looked at as a god , he told the people of Japan after we dropped two freaking nuclear bombs on them, hey, we are going to endure the unendurable. We are going to surrender. It's the only way that we can salvage our nation. So they willfully surrendered . And then our government goes, look, how great this hearts and mind stuff's working. It's not working . It's not working at all. And then they tried it in Vietnam, didn't work, tried everywhere else that we've had a conflict we've tried it, and it hasn't worked yet because what it was based on was flawed, right? Because they chose to be subjugated at that time . And making that choice kept them an independent nation. So our government are and it's so dangerous what we're seeing . You can like Trump or not like Trump. It doesn't people are going to like presidents and dislike presidents, but now define the rule of law because he happens to be the head of the federal government and openly def ying the federal government. The repercussions of that are going to be OK, fine, you can't stand this man. You think he's a terrible president, and you're not going to follow his laws , but that's the new normal now. So when a president gets in that you do support , then the other side because we've established this precedent, they're just not going to follow his laws either. Right. And now we've eroded the rule of law . And yeah, and then what happens? The slippery slope is very dangerous . I mean, I was saying that when the ice raids were going on because I was like, okay , I am not in favor of illegal criminals being in this country . However we're setting a very alarming precedent where you have masked militarized police with no ID that are running around the cities snatching people up . Like this could set a precedent that could be used by the left if they get into power for something different than this being than just for Ice. We've already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets and that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending them out to snatch up people. And a lot of American citizens are getting caught up in that trap too, unfortunately, and then they have to get released Like that could be bad if the next party gets in. So if the Democrats get in next and they decide like maybe there's a new vaccine a new COVID strain happens. Some new pandemic happens. Whatever the fuck. And if you don't get the vaccine, they're going to arrest you and then they start the same . Yes. We saw it in I think it was Minnesota or whoever they had the National Guard on the streets, but they had people enforcing lockdown s. And so they had people walking down the streets with fucking guns, yelling at people to get in your house. Over a cold . Like this kind of slippery slopes, you might think, No, we're just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants. I get it. I'm with you . I agree . However , the way they're doing it, doing it. I'm not even saying there's another way or a better way. I'm just saying you want to get them out all at once. Yeah, that's the way to do it. You want to get them out quick? That's the way to do it because they got them in quick. You're right. They open the fucking border, they helped people get in. But now that they're in, the if you're going to get them out that way, you're setting a weird precedent . You're setting a precedent that could be used in other ways. Yeah, that's the challenge is okay we're going to we need to enforce the law right, or don't have them, right? They've enacted no new laws. These are the same immigration laws that were on the books when Obama was president and Clinton was president. The same rules. It's the methodology. And And and yeah, you got to you got to sit there and weigh the pros and cons about okay the pros of trying to eradicate this issue. You can't give it a deadline. Yeah, right It's slippery. It is slippery. And again, it's what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And these politicians right now who are doing all of us a tremendous disservice in Washington, I feel our elected officials , because they're not thinking beyond this next election. And maybe they never have. They never have. Right. But they were better at hiding it, maybe. I think there was no internet.. But true I think that's what it is. There was no social media. But I think we've reached a point as politicians talk about eliminating the electoral college, they talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminating packing courts, all these things because' their sides not in power. And so we're just going to take the structure of the government and totally rework it to benefit us temporarily , but then those same benefits that you have now will be used against you. Yeah. They will one hundred percent be used against you . I think the most important legislation that we can pass right now is term limits . I think twelve years tops in Congress, and I think probably twelve years in the Senate , two six year terms in the Senate . That's more than enough time. Yeah, that's a lot of fucking time. That's enough. We don't need any one else. I mean, I don't know how it's become how the fuck does Nancy Pelosi worth four hundred million dollars? How the fuck? Well, I know how she gets in on all these fucking IPOs. Exactly. Right. She's going to pass the legislation that allows Visa to go public and then she's going to get a big chunk of it. And then when she's confronted about it, look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking lie to him. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. No public. We know you did it. We could look at how much stock you own. Yeah. Fucking liar? They all do it. Yes. They get people calling out Rokana on T.witter today Fucking rich. Everyone's getting rich. Yeah. They get paid one hundred and seventy five grand a year and they're all fucking millionaires. Super millionaires they're all like she's intensely wealthy. That's almost a half a billion dollars. That's nuts as a public servant. That's nuts. Yeah. It's insanity. And it's , you know , that's what we're used to. We're just we just we know it's bad and we just accept it. And people are busy and they have families and mortgages and shit to deal with. And so they complain and they keep on trucking. Yeah, I mean, I have, as we discussed, I have other jobs. I don't have a pile of time to dedicate to get tough for me to talk politics because I don't have hours in my day to sift through what's real and not real on Instagram or social, whatever. I'm not on that shit. But I can't it's hard to form an opinion because man, I don't know. And I don't know where to go to get honest news. Not the news. I know that I can't turn on the fucking news because they fucking been lying to us they stopped being imposed I don't know if they were ever impartial . But I know that I remember there was a guy I was a kid. He was running for president . His name was Jack Kemp. I remember Jack Kemp . And I want to say it was Dan Rather. It may not have been. It may have been some other newscaster . And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates for president . And as he's introducing all of these various politicians, he's saying so and so Harvard graduate and law professor from here and this former senator and this and that and the other and this person here and they get to Jack Kemp. And he goes, back up quarterback and born again Christian Jack Kemp . And I'm like, wow, you just sunk that dude . Everyone else, you gave what their jobs were and talked about their accomplishments of this. You just said he didn't start at quarterback and he's you call that his religion, dude. And that's the first time I ever remember I'm like, I know your opinion. I'm not supposed to know your opinion. You're supposed to be supposed to be giving me news. Right. You're supposed to be giving me honest, unbiased information so I can make a decision. And you're making a decision for me or trying to. Yeah . And they've gotten so as news became entertainment, I mean , CNN's the worst thing that ever happened to news because it's twenty four hours. And now all of a sudden there's not twenty four hours worth of news all the time, right? There is during a war, right? You can show us news, you know, war footage the whole time and talk about the war and why war and why no war, but when there's not, you gotta make some shit up or push an opinion. And that's where we've gotten with news now. Now news is piss him off and scare the shit out of them. Yeah, that's how we keep them watch ing. And that's the business model. It is now. And it's also piss him off and scare the shit out of them, but ignore certain things that your sponsors wouldn't like you to talk about. No . This is why, you know, Tulsa Gab bard in her final act as director of National Intelligence as she's leaving , she had that she gave that press conference about Fauci . And she talked about how he lied in front of Congress and that he absolutely used American tax funds to fund gain of function research through Eco Health Alliance and through the Wuhan Lab in Wuhan, China . And you know, no one's covering it . This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With visible, you get unlimited five G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's five G network. The perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at visible. com plan start at just twenty five dollars a month or get our premium visible plus pro plan and save ten dollars on your first month when you use promo code Rogan , an exclusive offer for podcast listeners . No. And by the way , didn't we all know that already? Well we knew it, but my parents didn't. You know people that just like read the news papers and watch TV, they don't know. I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as COVID coming from the Wuhan lab studying COVID. Right, right. I've never you've got fucking news anchors keeping a straight face saying it came from the wet market. Did you ever see John Stewart's bit on it that he did on the Colbert S Nohow.., you never saw it No. Oh, we need to play it. Let's play it because it's so funny because Cobert tries to like stop him from doing it and push back. And John, he's a great comic. He just gets up from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it really over Colbert's like trying to cock block his bit. He's like, it's like it's a funny bit and he's getting the way I'd like to see if you have information on that, I'd like to see it and he just keeps going. He keeps plowing away. It's very funny. And it's in the middle of it, right? He was a this was a courageous step because he was doing this when calling it out and saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan China was somehow or another conflated with racism . Remember that? Yeah, if you said it came from Wuhan, China from a lab, you're racist. Like how did you pull that off? Like how did it like no one saying anything it's racist? It's like it's from fucking China and it seems like Eco Health Alliance funded it and it seems like we funded Eco Health Alliance . That's a lot of fucking paperwork . And by the way, there's studies on the fucking disease that they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website . They're posted on the fuckin' my favorite was when you catch all this shit about Ivermectin . And literally when that happened, I went, Oh fucking look that up, but look up Ivermectin. And studies with ivermectin and a study pops up on the on the CDC website while people are telling us to not take that shit and it talks about the efficacy of ivermectin and antiviral properties , specifically COVID nineteen. Yeah . So it's on the government website that the fucking drug works while they're telling everyone to not take it. And they're mocking me for taking horeseam st warmer.. Watch this This is great. This is great . No, you stop because he still wants to put out that establishment position . I'd like to see any evidence. If you've got any evidence Yeah , well wild times in the news because I think from then on that sort of sent a shockwave through the majority of the population where just whatever trust they had in the news just got severely eroded. Yeah. And if we don't have good news, if we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind of adrift. And then you get locked into fucking conspiracy theories and eco chambers onl ine and you can get trapped in them too, and that's not good either. Yeah, then there's nowhere to go get information. Has anybody in NBC, CBS , CNN, have any of those people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech Fauci and had any sort of a reaction to it , I'd like to know that from what I was reading online, no none of them had. But this was as of yesterday . I don't know whether or not that's changed. I don't know if they were preparing an article and they wanted to make sure that they got all their ducks in a row . I would think pretty much any time the head of an institute begging for a pardon when he hasn't been charged with any crime , is a pretty good indicator. You might want to look and see if there's been a crime committee. Is he begging for pardon? I mean, he was Fauci Fauci was like, he had he had attorneys, this is part of that deal. He had attorneys reaching out to Biden's camp the last day when he got the pardon. Jeez, the very last day. Jeez . It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when Rand Paul's questioning him and he's talking him about specifically about what defines gain of function research . And all account, by every definition, it's gain of function research. And Fauci's still saying, you do not know what you are talking about with all due respect . Even though even though he's a doctor . Grandpa's a fucking doctor and an actual doctor. And then they say well you're an eye doctor. Well, that's my specialty. But before I became an eye doctor, I became a general doctor, which means I studied all the same shit that fauci studied. Yeah. You have to go through medical school before you go pick a specialty. So four years of studying the entire body before you specialize in whatever you're going to specialize in. Well, it's also then if you read RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, you find out he ran this exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic . It was the exact same playbook. That's what the Dallas Byers Club is about. The Dallas Buyers Club, that McCon nell movie, about AIDS. The fucking villain is Anthony Fauci . He's the guy that's stopping them from getting alternative medications . That's the guy that wanted everybody to take AZT. You know why? Because AZT had already been approved . They had already used it as a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was too deadly. It was killing people quicker than cancer was killing them. So the first medication they gave people when they had an immune system that was compromised was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people . And they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic. They were giving it to people that tested HIV positive. And then you know about the PCR testing. So the PTR says Kerry Mull us, the guy who invented PCR testing, said publicly about Fauci, does not know what the fuck he's talking about I don't think he said fuck, but does not know what he's talking about and that it's not supposed to be used to detect a disease in a person's body. And that if you ramp up the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID, where we got some, by some estimations, eighty percent false positives because of the PCR method, because they were ramping them up so high. And so they cut it back quite significantly and that reduced the amount of false positives they had. But there's a lot of people that got tested as HIV positive that probably weren't. And they put those fucking people on AZT , and AZT kills you . Well , yeah, nuts. Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a serious but unproven political bombshell. They're reporting that Gabbard alleges what Gabbard alleges stressing the documents are disputed and under review and highlighting how polarized the reaction is. Mainstream print , Jerusalem Post , Money Control Newsweek summarize her accusations, emphasized that COVID's origins remain unresolved, and note that the claims about Fauci sparking COVID or lying under oath are heavily contested , not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reigniting a long running fight over lab league versus natural origin. Look, that fight is over, kids . That fight's over. If you're saying if you are in the news and you are saying that there's still a long running controversy as to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin , shut your fucking dirty whore mouth it's not. The fight's over. It's a fucking lab leak. They say the new documents will need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators and scientists before any firm conclusions can be drawn. Okay . Right leaning media highlight her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on the cover up narrative, and give prominent space to Republicans like Rand Paul. Why does it more centrist or mainstream outlets present it as a straighter news tone, often pairing Gabbat's and GOP's quotes with Fauci's past denials and nothing there is so far, no judicial finding of perjury or criminal conduct. What I've never understood is how this became a left or right So stupid. When Fauci , who's a career bureaucrat, right, through , I mean, when all this started, there was a Republican president. Yep, right? And then he's served that Republican president. He served the Democratic President before that and before that, and then he served a Republican . I mean, he's been there for fucking fifty years. Yeah. It's been this dude. It's not political . It shouldn't be political. There shouldn't be a right left side to this. It's, hey, a career bureaucrat fucking lied to us. He used the exact same language when he was talking about AZ T as a medication for HIV that he used for the COVID vaccine . The reason why it's the only medication is because it is both safe and effective . Guys a monster. Yeah. Like he's one of those guys like throughout history where you're going to look back over time and you go, holy shit, this one guy's lies, this one guy's aspirations, this one guy's career fucked so many people over . Yeah . And I don't and I don't understand why Democrats would want to fall on that sword with. There's no reason to align because people are stupid and they just decide that because a Republican 's a president and the anything the Republicans are pushing has to be bad . And that stupid fucking division, it's so it's so silly. It's so silly. It really is. Because the same people during Trump's presidency were openly saying, are you going to trust a vaccine that's created under Trump? They were all saying it. Yeah. Kamala Harris said it, a bunch of Joy Reed said, they all said it And then then they they bet their entire political livelihoods on it. We deserve better . We really do or we don't. Maybe we don't. We fucking think they're good . We're so silly Such a fucking silly group of human beings. We are . That's fucking wild. Not all of us though . You know, I think less of us now are think it's going to be way harder to divide people the way they div ided everybody in twenty twenty. It'll be way harder now . I think most people are just not buying it. And as long as people wake up to this left versus right nonsense, it's really just a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other. Oh most of it Oh for sure. Most of it. Even the ice stuff that we were talking about. Hey folks, do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest fucking ice protests were all going on in the same place where they found all that fraud? That these organized massive protests were all occurring in the same place where that Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud . Yeah. Shocker. Got a crazy. Didn't they pass, didn't California pass a law Shirley law to prevent specifically that guy from fucking poking around here in California? Yes, yes. I mean, they've even referred to it as the Nick Shirley law. The idea is to keep people from investigating fraud, which is outlandish . That is outrageous. That is a crazy thing to emphasize. And the thing is, well, you 're people are showing up at daycares and looking in, right? They shouldn't. You're right. A hundred percent. People, random people from the internet should not be showing up at day cares with cameras . I agree. However when there's no one in that daycare for years and years and years and they can prove that fucking millions of dollars are being earned by that daycare and there's no one in there because it's a little weird. Isn't there a not fully passed into law? Not yet . Isn't there a video of that kid like walking up to one of these and these dudes get out and like drive off and f theyuc'kingre bentleys . I don't know if those are real. There's a bunch of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something like that. And so they were just engagement farming by pretending and like the guy would show up and they'd go, what? What are you talking about? I don't have no idea where he is bad acting and they get a Rolls Royce and like it's just bullshit. It seemed like bullshit to me. I mean, I'm sure a bunch of those guys made a bunch of money. And I'm sure there is a lot of fraud . It's just like they're admitting it. Minnesota is admitting it. They knew it was going on forever . You know, and then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that voted against this idea . So one of those ladies that was killed, like there was a lady and her husband that were murdered in Minnesota and she was one of the few people that voted against providing Medicare for illegals . They were trying to they were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals and she was one of the ones that voted against it. And she was killed , the guy who killed her said that Tim Walts sent him to kill them . Now I don't know if he's full of shit. He easily could be. He's a fucking crazy person. He's a murderer, showed up at their house with a mask on and fucking shot them dead and shot a couple other people too. It's like he's, you know, obviously he's fucking cracked out, but kind of weird , kind of weird that the lady who wants to vote against this obvious fraud . This money that's being somehow another funneled around through Medicare. Like one of the things that Elon said when he was on the podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of the biggest fucking problems. And he was looking into a doge. He goes, I almost don't want to talk about it because I don't want to get killed. He goes, It's that bad. And this was before all this Nick Shirley shit. And now you're seeing it. You're like, oh, now I get it. These hospices that they have, these fake hospices in California and then all the Somali daycare centers and all the different things like these people just miss autism. The autism diagnosis went through the fucking roof because now they can have these autism centers. So they just diagnose their kids as autistic and then they're raking in all this money for treatment . It's crazy how much fraud there is. Hundreds of billions . 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I mean, they've been aware of it for it's always taken place , but on the scale and he tried and he caught resistance to the point that he wasn't able to do his version of a doge . Right, which was which was his intention. He gave a big public speech about it and tried to look into it . And if you're stealing hundreds of billions of dollars , hundreds of billions of dollars , what wouldn't you do to protect that? Exactly. And that was Elon's point. Yeah . And also that money for sure makes its way into Democratic coffers. And probably Republican too. And whoever the fuck is going to be whoever's whoever's enabling the fuck? Who's ever gonna who's ever going to help out? Whoever wants a piece of this pie is a juicy ass pie. It's a hundred billion dollars pie. Come get something. That'll almost bill you a rail system in California . If you get a mile of track or a second Google bridge, fucking car sales, but have you had that guy on? No . No, he wants to be on. I'm sure he talks a lot shit about me. First he was saying Joe Rogan is not a fan of me, but I'm a big fan of him. He was like saying all this doesn't he have his own podcast? Yeah, because that city that state is running so well the governor doesn't have a lot of free governor. It's so smooth. If you ask him, he'll tell you'.ll He tell you how awesome. No, he'll give you stats. He get the status . People are moving there in record numbers . No, that's not true. It's not true. It's it's the all the stats, the positive stats, they were already going on before he was the governor. California is an awesome place. The fucking weather's perfect. San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses. There's always been a bunch of super wizards up there that are creating some of the best technology in the world and that has nothing to do with him. Has zero to do with him and all these problems that their inept government has caused because that's the real problem with him as a governor. That's a real problem with Karen Bass as a mayor. It's a real problem with whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco. It's bad government. It's not upholding the rule of law, not keeping people safe, being empathetic to people that are shooting up on the street over people that are trying to walk their fucking kids to school. Yeah. Like what you're doing is bad for society. It's bad. And it seems to me that for the most part , for the most part , if you are the mayor of a city , and when I was writing Yellowstone, the governor of Montana at the time, who was a Democrat, I called him and asked him , I said, Hey guys, talk to you about what it's like to be a governor. What did you think it would be and what did it turn out to be? And what he said was Steve Bullock, is this name . He said, Well, I thought I was going to , you know, make all these changes and do this and shepherd this and I learned that I am the CEO of the state and that my job as the CEO of the state is to take care of the people who live in the state, the employees of the state , attract business here, attract tourism here, and try to make the state make more money and make lives better . That's my job. Infrastructure and city management and people management and tourism. That's my job. And to even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president of a city, you're the CEO of the city. And your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash, put out the fires , deal with the sewage , keep it safe. Like that's it. There's no social anything , secondarily, possibly , but run the schools, like run the city . And you have in a lot of these big urban areas where they're so agenda driven and they're pushing a social agenda and they're not running the cities . They're not run ning them at all . And so they're running into the ground . And it's tragic to see because San Francisco, like you said, it's a beautiful city. LA used to be a fag place where you could go and make your dreams come true. San Francisco was awesome ten years ago, just ten years ago. I filmed my special triggered in the film war in San Francisco in twenty sixteen. It was great. No proble ms. It wasn't homeless people everywhere. It was normal. It was normal San Francisco. Go to a cool restaurant, people were cool. Always been like a smart city, interesting architecture. Always been a great city. I lived there from time the I was seven to eleven. Yeah, I loved San Francisco . It's unrecognizable now. ten years. That's it. Ten years of fucking asin government and also So this homeless thing, when you realize that it's an industry, the homelessness is valuable. Having homeless people on the streets is valuable because you can get more money to deal with this obvious homeless proble m. The more obvious the problem is, the more money they're going to throw on it. They don't have to fix it. Well, there's no there's no intention to fix it. Right. They're giving out free needles here. Yeah . Get high here . It's and I was just somewhere where my first experience seeing the homeless in this magnitude . And the one thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung out on drugs. Like this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke . Like the zombies leaning against every corner and to me it's cruel , right? Yeah, like if someone's to that point and you want to help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some more needles . How about you pick them up off the street and you take them somewhere and go look,, there's a curfew here and you ain't doing no drugs. We're going to clean you out . And some aren't going to want that. They're going to want to go back on the street and do drugs . And the addiction and the consequences of drugs that are that I had surgery they put me on fentanyl. I had neck surgery and they put me on fentanyl. There's high, then there's that shit. And that was done by an anesthesiologist. I wasn't self medicating on a fucking parking lot, right? Where did you get done your neck? C sixty seven blue ? No, no, no, no, no, no, I had the dissected disc, yeah. Just cut some of it down. Yeah. It's okay now. Yeah . How long ago'd you get that done? Is that maybe three years ago? I wish I had two years ago. Yeah, three years ago. If that ever happens again, don't do that. Don't No. Well, it'll happen Yeah, I'm sure it will. There's other ways. There's a way. Yeah, there's PRP can help it en Regicine help mine. I had a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck. What's Reginic ? Reginicine is they used to have to go to Germany to do it. I know Payton Manning went there, Kobe Bryant went there and Dana White actually flew to Germany to get it done. It's like an advanced form of platelet rich plasma where they take your blood, there's a process to it. Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't remember what the process is , but they spin it in a centrifuge for like ten hours and then you come back the next day and they inject it and it makes this very potent anti inflammatory and they inject it around wherever the injury is to the disc. And it provides like within weeks , amazing relief. And for me, it completely cured it. I had a point where my fingers were going . Yeah, that's what German go back up to work. Yeah . So German physician, Dr. Peter Welling, the treatment focus on blocking a specific inflammatory protein interlukin one . So they take the blood out , they draw your blood and then the blood is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of a natural anti inflammatory protein called IL one RA . And then they spin in a centrifuge , separating out the protein rich serum. The serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue . Dude it was remarkable for me for knee injuries . I did it a bunch of times. I used to do it they moved used to have to go to Germany and then Santa Monica, they opened up an office. It's lifestyle medicine. That's what it's called, right ? And then that's where I had it done . And it's incredible. Like I had it done my entire back. Like there's a picture of me on Instagram with a bunch of these fucking tubes in my that's me right there. A bunch of those tubes, my hairy ass bag . And it was incredible. I mean, it really fixed so many problems that I had . It's great for specifically for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff like that. There's a lot of good biological options. There's also decompression is very important. I have a harness that I attach to a pull up bar and it straps under my chin and I just like let my weight drop down and decompress my weight on my neck. I do that every day. And then I also have this thing called a decks three is a dex two or decks three . You hang forward . It's like Teeter makes it, you know, that company makes those decompression tables, but this one's even better because you just hinge from the hip. So you're not supporting it at all with your leg s and it's just your back. It just goes like pop, pop, pop like you could feel one of those. I'll show it to you. We have one out here. We have two of them out here actually. Right. Right out yeah in the gym. It's they're they're the shit. I have one at home. I don't I will not have one. I have to have one. It's so good for just decompressing your back . But you need to decompress the neck too. Anytime you're doing anything if you're deadlifting or squat, obviously you're lifting a lot of heavyweights. Anytime you're lifting weight, you got to think all that all that pressures on your back, all that squashing down, and you got to do something stretch it out. Stretch it back out . But there's ways to heal it now without taking away the disc. So the problem is every time they cut away a piece of your disk, you got less disc. You got less disc. Yeah . So the good news is there's some treatments that they're doing now where they're actually injecting some sort of a hydrogen. I've heard about this. Yeah, into the disc itself . So I asked Brigham from Ways to Well about that and they're looking into it and they're trying to apparently this is not being done widely yet. This is like this just experimental, but they they think they're going to be able to do that. There's also some places like CPI , Cellular Performance Institute down at Tijuana. They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs and it causes a disc to regenerate tissue and get thicker and healthier. Really? Yeah . Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and big wave surfer and bow hunter, he went down there and he said it was remarkable. He said within a couple of months, it's like a thirty to forty percent increase in range of motion, really, decrease in pain. Yeah, you could feel it. It's kind of an annoying process because once you do it, you can't really do shit for like six weeks. Like once you I think it's six weeks. Well, that's what the same with the surgery. You're not doing shit for six weeks after that. But you can't lift weights. You can walk. You can walk. You know, you it's all the whole thing is like let everything take. Like let it take, let it heal up , don't do anything stup id, don't reinjure it, don't aggravate it. Like give it a chance to actually do its magic . Yeah, I'll look into that for sure . But any neck injury or back injury, they're such a motherfucker. Anytime your back goes out, you're like, everything you do is like, ah , it's so hard to do anything. It's like you realize like how nice it is to be healthy when you know, whenever you get hurt. Yeah. No back pain. That's's what that kill ed my stepfather. Back pain? Yeah. Did you just get on pills? Yeah . Yeah I have a friend in the family that did that. Yeah, he was in, I remember one time we were fishing up in Wyoming and he just like was, well, I can't do it. Back hurts too bad. And he went in and had a surgery and made it worse, which is . Which is a real, real risk when you start messing around with the spine . And so yeah, and then it was , you know , those are serious pain. Now we're talking oxy. Yeah, now you're in just now agony. Now you're on the clock. Yeah. And you can only do that shit for so long. Yeah. Now you're on the clock. Oxies are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying. Yeah, so terrifying how readily they were handing them out too forever. Yeah . Do you ever see painkiller that the Peterburg thing that he did for Netflix? No, I didn't. Fucking great, man. So Matthew Brodrick plays such a great creep. Oh , he played the sackler brother the sackler really. Yeah, the head of the family that started this whole opiate problem that we have in this country. It's fucking terrifying because it's all real. And those fucking people never went to jail. Who knows how many people are dead because of them? Yeah . Yeah . They generated fucking billions and billions of dollars, killed a bunch of people . Ruined countless lives. How many lives are people that were connected? Your dad gets hooked on that shit. It ruins your relationship with your family. You wind up being all fucked up 'cause you grew up with a dad who strung on pills. Yep. No, gener ational. Yeah. Generational damage. Oh god . And these guys put their feet up . Yeah. They go to a fucking nice country club and have the lobster. Cocksuckers. There's so many of them in this world. There's like that's genuinely evil. Yes. There's real demons That's a real demon. Like people want to think demons live in hell and you know, that's that's kind of or may not be real. No, they're on earth. There's demons . They're right here. Yeah, and they justify it. They figure out a way to justify it. And they're around a bunch of other people justify it too, and they can just immediately dismiss any pain or suff ering because they got a huge amount of profit from it . Yeah . Yep, those are the fuckers. Those are the fuckers. Yeah, they're out there. And it doesn't take many of them to create like real carnage. I mean, think about that. Think about the opiate issue in this and it's still going. It was the gateway to fentanyl, right? If you think about it Yeah, it was the gate way to fentanyl and it was it was also like they were doing those pain man pain management centers down in Florida where they just all they prescribed was pills. So you would go and like I'm in pain. They're like, oh, Taylor, we've got the solution. It's right next door. And you go right next door to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has, like, they don't have Bengay over there. They have toothbrushes. Oxy. Yeah, they've got oxygen. There you go, buddy. This is the solution. Yeah fucked. Yep . Yep. That's the real drug trade. Yeah, right? Yeah . I mean, the cartel is basically getting the scraps. They're making trillions of dollars off sc raps. Well, think about this. Did you even know what fentanyl was fifteen years ago? I never heard of it. No . I don't even remember when we first heard about it, but when we first heard about it on a podcast, we were talking about it and we found the amount that's lethal and they showed it next to a penny and they're like what? Yeah. That can kill you . And people are taking that and they're mixing that in cocaine. Holy fuck. And they've been over zombies on the side of the road. Yeah . Philadelphia's bad too. There's a bunch of cities that are just real bad with it and it doesn't have to be that way . And what's interesting is this I b inogitainiativee that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are pushing in Texas and that I went to the White House to get Trump to be involved in and they're trying to make this so that it's you have a right to use or right I think they call it right to use a right to try for people that are addicted and they're trying to make it more readily available and accessible to veterans . That's the thing that could help all these people. What is it now? Ibagaine. Do you don't know what that is? No . Ibigain is it comes from the oboga tree in Africa and it is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use at all. It's not fun. Nobody likes it. It's not like a trip, you see zombies and fucking hang out with the aliens. Uh , you go into this very dark experience for like twenty four hours where it like replays your life to you in a very uncomfortable way and also somehow or another rewires addiction in your brain. And for a large percentage of people, just one dose is good enough to get them off of everything. Whatever they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, coke, whatever the fuck it is. But for two doses, when they do it twice, it's significantly better . And it doesn't just do that. Rick Perry, who was the Republican former governor of Texas was staunchly anti drugs. He's said this is his main focus in life now is to promote this. This is his goal in life because he did it and he had an incredible reaction to it and he knows so many veterans who have done it. It's incredible for PTSD . Somehow or another, it has neuroregenerative properties where he went there and they said he went to his doctor before and doctor did a whole scan of his body and he said, Look, you've got a certain amount of age related brain atrophy. It's like it's fine, but it's normal that you're seventy three years old or seventy four years old. So he goes and does the IB , sees his doctor a short time afterwards, and the doctor says it's twenty five percent less atrophy than when you got the last scan and he explains to him the whole eyebogain thing. He goes back six months later, it's all gone . He has no brain atrophy anymore , which is bananas . So it's regenerating brain tissue . It's making his brain work better . And it's just pharmaceutical companies aren't going to let that shit out. Well, they're they didn't like it. They didn't like that. I bypassed them and went straight to Trump and told them about it, but Trump was very open to it. He said, What are you looking for? You looking for FDA approval? Like, let's do it. Like that's literally what he said. And then a week later we were at the White House and he was signing it. So it's incredible. But if so many veterans have had to go over to mostly Mexico, but Costa Rica, there's a bunch of different places that they go where they can have these IBA retreats and these guys have had incredible results. Marcus Latrell, he had an incredible result from it. He had a real problem drinking. You know, obviously he's the, guy lone the survivor, the movies based on his experiences over in Afghanistan. So this guy, you know, he's done it, he's gotten over it because of that. Like there's a long Sean Ryan, long list of guys who have had this experience and it completely changed them. Wow. Dakota Meyer did it. So many of these guys did it . And because of their stories because all these veterans , then it like kind of opened up the idea to a lot more right wing people that would maybe be like more hesitant to accept something like this. Then on top of it, no recreational use. Like no one's like, boy I can't wait to do that again. Everybody's like, holy shit this suck. I d hadiarrhea. I threw up, I felt I was horrified for fucking twelve hours. It apparently just takes you through every aspect of your life, like review, like a movie. All the times you've ever hurt people, you see it from their perspective. It's like yeah, it's like very it's a very dark experience for a lot of people, especially a lot of people that have fucked up a lot of their life, you know ? Wow. Yeah . But if those people had access to Abigail, all these homeless people that you see strung out. If instead of just giving them needles in an iPhone and like profiting off of it, if somehow or another these assholes can figure out a way to profit off of these centers, we could bring people in and give them Ibergame retreats. Maybe that would be a nice little fucking exit strategy for all these grifters that have been profiting off of the homeless industrial complex for so long. Yeah, well, you know, they're not trying to solve problems . No, no, they're trying to make money. That's what I was saying earlier when we were talking about charities. That's the saddest thing that I have come to the realization that most non profits are fucking scams , like most of them , most of 'em . And this guy was like reading off like the average amount that these people that are in charge of the homeless program in LA are making. It's an extraordinary amount of money . It's a great living. They're not doing it because it's like some sort of a very charitable thing that they really want to save the world and help people they're making tons of money they're their performative entrepreneurs, if you think about it, come up with a problem , then go pitch some version of Karen solution to a government and take the fucking money and never solve the problem because as soon as you solve the problem, if you do somehow accidentally solve it, then go find another one. Yeah . And I think that's one of the reasons why shows like Yellowstone in particular that show like people that are proud to work hard and really get like deep satisfaction out of that life. And there's something about that that really like it resonates with people. Like there' s a better way than just bullshitting people . There's a better way than fraud and nonsense and all this political horseshit that's pumped down your throat every day. No, how about a fucking just a sleeping bag and the stars. How about that? Just lying there with your horse tied to a tree? Isn't that really what everybody wants? Doesn't really everyone to cook their dinner over a fire and laugh with all their friends? Because that's what they really want. That's really something good. Simple. Something real , something that really 's like, there's it's not that simple because it's hard to do all that shit, but there's something about it that's pure . It's pure. There's no ifans or butts. You spend a lot of time outside, right? And the entire thing's an endeavor, right? If you go on you go bow hunting, you know, you're going to you're going to practice, prepare before you go , then you're going to hike your S in somewhere. You have to set up a camp . And all of these are tasks before you've even gone to do the thing you went there to do, which is going to be another task, but the completion of them is the reward and the fact that you're doing it yourself. Everything done yourself. I think that's and that's why people are so attracted to the life. That's why I've got, you know, third generation cowboys that went and got a degree in ranch management to come back and make , you know, three thousand dollars a month and couldn't be happier. It's wild, isn't it? It's really wild when you think about it. It's wild what people actually gravitate towards they say that have ever you seen the Werner Herzog documentary Happy People? No It's called Happy People Life in the Tiga and it's all about these trappers that live on the Tiga River in Siberia and all these people do is trap and hunt and fish. They don't have any other way to make a living. That's all they do. And they're so fucking happy. And they're all laughing together and drinking together and hanging out with their dogs and their dogs are sled dogs. And so they're on snowmobiles and the dogs are chasing behind them and the dogs hunt with them. And these fucking people have like zero mental illness . And when they're talking to them, they're talking Russ inian, so it's all translated. But what they're talking about, like the way they talk, it's like that this is how you're supposed to live. This is real life . And they're all happy. There's a guy I'm going to get his name wrong. It's like Primager, something like that . And he in the sixties. Premikan. Premikan, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the guy lived in Alaska. Yeah. , went up said bucket. Yeah , went up into the way into the wild and built by hand a cabin and lived there and documented it. Brought us a little super bre cakamera whatever film the whole thing. Yeah, and filmed himself . I mean, he lived for thirty five years. He was eighty something years old when he finally was too old to get through another winter when he came down and he just built this cabin and just lived, hunted , fished, grew potatoes had to . Yes . Brenneke, Prunaki, that's how I say his name . PR O . If you haven't, if you haven't watched that documentary, it is fascinating. It's amazing. Yeah. Look at the different what is it? Oh, they 're much they've got , but why do they show twenty twenty three This guy, when he documented all of it, you know, it's so attractive. There's something about the way he's lived. And he's by himself, which is also wild. Like, how do you not get lonely? No, there's that . I mean, I'd lose my fucking marbles. I need people. Yeah. I need to talk to somebody. I don't think I'd be liking that. But I don't know, but it's so attractive. But the notion of that kind of self reliance. Yeah, no, there's something about it that's like deeply ingrained in our DNA . It's not just that, it's like it's a healthy interaction with the wild world. There he is. Look at that guy. Made all that shit himself . That's what's crazy. Yeah. The whole the whole thing, I mean, he made his own tools, he made 's really wild. I think he was a wasn't he a lumberman or something like that? I can't remember if he was Look how fucking pretty that is. My god, this is right in front of his house . He just build a house out there ? Alaska's amazing man. I mean, the winners can suck at Dick, but the just the actual being there in the place and the people are they're clearly like extraordinary people. Like when you go to just even hanging out in a bar in anchorage, like you guys are different. They're like more reliable , you know? No matter where dirty people No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to have to be tough. Yeah , you have to be. And they were laughing about some guy who got stomped to death by a moose because he was throwing snowballs at it in town like okay, like that's something you guys have to think about. You might get stomped to death in front of the ATM machine or maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a thousand pound animal . Yeah, well you can catch a cow with their calves and she'll stun what so it's a book Preniki says he turned his back on a on tedious fifty hour work weeks and moved to Alaska to do a thing to completion. He built a cabin when he was fifty one and lived there for more than thirty years. Wow , wow . Where is that area? The Twin Lakes in Lake Clark National Park? I don't know . There's another guy that lives up there that lives near the Arctic Circle vice guide to travel did a piece on him years ago. It's same kind of deal. He lives in a cabin and he's been up in that cabin since the nineteen seventies. He didn't, he never saw nine hundred eleven. He saw a photograph of it years later. He's just been up there in the woods. All he does is he hunts caribou and he has them all like hanging up like frozen because it's frozen outside. Like that's outside is his cooler. And while they're there a grizzly tries to steal his stash and he has to shoot the grizzly. It's like it's crazy really what's that called? It's called Vice Guide to Travel and it's Heinmo's Arctic Adventure is the video series . And what's interesting is this is like the early days of Vice when Vice was really cool. And they get this fucking nerd with glasses. It's probably from like Williamsburg who flies out to Alaska to hang out with this guy. And the guy like these journalists were like hard core . These young kids were, they knew they were doing something kind of crazy. And they would go to war zones. Like, that's how Tim Pool started out. These guys would go to the fucking war zones and get shot at. They had bulletproof vests on and shit and they'd be doing investigator like real investigative reporting. And so this guy did just really went up there and hung out with this dude in Alaska for like a week and was talking to him. I was like, what's what's so great about this? And he's a very intelligent guy. He's not the guy who's this guy Heimmo. See if you find that. Did you find it? I was looking around there's I mean, they're still posting stuff. There's the last Alaskan. Excuse me, the last Alaskans. Oh, he's still posting stuff. They have a YouTube channel. Oh, wow. Himo and Edna. Oh, wow. He looks older now. They're talking about podcasts here a second ago. Oh , interesting. They're talking about podcasts. Our podcasts. Oh, because we talked about I don't know, I mean just as you heard your picture popped up. Oh, that's it. That's me talking about him. Yeah . See if you could find the vice guide to travel because that's where I found out about him . So this guy's he's like one of the last people that's allowed to live up there. He has like a notice posted on his cabin because he's grandfathered in. I don't think you could build a cabin up there anymore . That's not this is afterwards fifteen years ago ? Might be it . But I think it's called Heinmo's Arctic Adventure . Yeah, Himo Himokorth, Himo's Arctic Refuge ? That's the article . Yeah, I mean the vice website isn't really one of the most well kept things on the internet these days Putin Arctic adventure. I'm guessing that the article was the first thing and then they went and followed up to make a video and that's what this is . Yeah, I don't know if yeah, maybe that's it. Yeah, see it presents Hymo's Arctic refuge. Right. That's probably it. They could have just changed his name on YouTube. I think they did, or maybe I remember it wrong . Either way , this guy's premise is that this is really how you should live. This is how people , yeah, that's the guy. So he's this nerdy cat is hanging out . He looks so out of place. Yep, this is it . And he's got this caribou that he shot and they're hanging frozen and he just saws off a piece and throws the frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it over wood and this is how this guy lives and that's all he eats . He's just eating caribou and salmon and he lives up there all year round, man . And it's I mean, he's just happy . And this is the weird part about it is how happy people who live like this are . Because I think that's in our brain. That's how we're designed to exist with nature . Yeah, designed to be hunter gatherers We still have the same DNA as people that live tens of thousands of years ago . And you know, cities started what maybe ten thousand years ago in some form, right? Yeah, depending on who you ask. Yeah . You know, I think we're a little wrong with that too. I think they're starting to change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of stuff like Quebec, Teppi and Turkey, they found these immense structures that are eleven thousand eight hundred years old that were buried that this guy who was like I think it was a sheep herder in the nineties found it . Yeah, it found like a stone that was like sticking out of the ground weird and he kicked it with boots like, knocked him dirt off and then he brought in some archaeologists and then they discovered this massive complex , these like huge circles of giant stone columns or three D animals carved in them. And they carbonated the ground and it was intentionally covered up somewhere around eleven thousand plus years ago. So they're like really yeah so like what the fuck is this? Like they didn't even know like what the civilization was, like why did they build this? What's the purpose of it . There's a lot a lot of people that debate whether or not what's depicted on it is a calendar. Is it a marking of an event? Does it show the flood? Like what is this? It's weird stuff, man. Like really weird stuff. And I think there's more of that than you'd like to that makes people comfortable. And archaeologists are very hesitant to accept it. Well that whole that whole deal, right? Like your relevance being upon you discovered this thing yeah when they when they found the clovest point so then we're dating everything off of that and anyone finding anything else is going to render that guy's discovery less important and you know there, was at one point we thought there was this logical evolution of man from homo erectus into homo sapien. And now we know that there were at least four , maybe five species of humanoid living at the same time. At least five . Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil. Most people are going to die and their bones are going to be gone within a hundred years. Yeah, it's just what we've been able to find and we're basing an entire science upon incredibly incomplete discoveries. We're basing an entire science on a very limited number that can even possibly exist . Like Like I think if you take into account how many dinosaur bones they've found and then how many dinosaurs existed and for how many hundreds of millions of years dinosaurs existed and you realize like , oh , like most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't even know how many different dinosaurs that we've just discovered a new one recently. We don't even know how many existed that we never found fossilized. Yeah. If they didn't run through some lava pit or tarpet or something, how would you know? And every so often some new form of ancient human pops up and we're like, oh well what's this one? What the fuck is this one? There's weird ones. They're all over the place. There's a fucking ton of them. The Denisovans, there's the one in, I believe it was in China, the big headed people. They're quite a bit larger. These are in Texas. Yeah, that's Glenn Dinos Vaallurey State Park . Wow. That's Glenrose, Texas. That's crazy . How crazy is that? Look at those footprints. That's so nuts . That is so nuts . The dinosaur left those , how long ago? one hundred and thirteen million year old dinosaur tracks. What the fuck man ? And you know, we're just lucky. So what is he what that thing and how much did it fucking weigh to imprint into that ? Which is now granite, right? But at the time, it's probably some mixture of mud and ash from a volcano that came together. Right, probably some version of that . Right. I wonder what the animal was. Do they know which dinosaur it was? Picture of one here, I don't know if it's the one I just guess that's the one they assumed was there. Point printers are so dope That's so wild . Wonder who the first guy found that was? It says it was discovered after a drought, so it would've been that's even cooler . So it was underneath the water the whole time and then they're like the river dried up completely in most locations line for more tracks to be uncovered here in the park. Wow , that's sick that's the animal? Believed to be, I don't know, yeah, they wouldn't know for sure. Belong to two types of dinos, including acro thosaurus . Yeah, I think I don't think they've found any fossils or anything to be for the record . That's even just crazier, right? All you find is the feet. Think about how many died there. Think about how many just got eaten by other animals and shit out and I mean most stuff that lives , I mean, you know as well as anybody , you very rarely find skeletons in the woods . No, the mice are going to eat them. Yeah, something's going to eat. Most of what you find in the woods, within a couple of years, everything's gone . But like was the last time if you're a hunter, good luck finding a dead mountain lion . They must die. They must die. I don't know anybody's found a dead one. I've never found one. I've never seen one. There's thousands of them. They die. Where are they? Fucking nature takes care of everything. And that's what would happen to most fossils. Yeah. That's why most fossils don't happen. When people die, they don't get fossil This says nineteen oh eight, a local school boy found some of these. Wow. Look at the size of those next to that dude. That's crazy. Imagine if you ran home and try to tell your parents found some dinosaurs. They wouldn't even know what dinosaurs really were, I bet back then. How would they have known? Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious . There's so many so many knuckleheads online . But I mean, we don't we have a very limited amount of information that we're basing on the entire history of Earth on planet. What would you describe that as a nineteen ten three towed giant lizard? I don't even know if it's I don't know how would you even be sure that that was a footprint. Come look at this, and then you gotta tell everybody else in the town to come follow you out there to find it. Right. In nineteen ten, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs? Well, I wouldn't think they would have found some of the bones. I'm sure . I think we figured that out, right? I think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding in the eighteen hundreds ? Isn't that what it was? But yeah, it's not I mean, if you think about how many different things died and just were absorbed by the earth, just eaten shit, out , swallowed up, just destroyed by time and erosion and never became fossils . We're basing the entire history of the planet on a limited amount of information . And that information , it never gets younger. It always gets older. The more stuff they found , like they found a modern version of human beings that pushes the timeline of humans back another three or four hundred thousand years. And that keeps happening. Well, they thought that people crossed the Beringland Bridge were twelve thousand fourteen thousand years ago. And now they've pushed that back ten thousand years ago. Yeah, they found those footprintss in White Sand, New Mexico and those are twenty two thousand years old. It took a giant flood to come wash away layers of sediment. Revealed that's why it's so muddy around it, I guess. Wow. And then they started digging. That's fucking cool That is so cool . And this is in nineteen fifty two they did that. No, no, no, nineteen oh eight. Nine oh eight. The pictures are from nineteen fifty two they must have just kept maybe it flooded again fifty years later. Floods do happen here fast. When did they first figure out dinosaurs? Like what was the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered . On your ranch do you find like a lot of like arrowheads and like Native American stuff? The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah. Every time it'd rain , you'd find these points. Dutch it enthralls me. It's so fascinating. You pick up some arrows. I found one in Nevada while I was on a mule deer hunt. I was in the high desert. We found this little tiny thing I looked down and I go, Oh my god, it's a fucking arrowette. And you just think, some dude, who knows how many hundreds of years ago shot thousands thousands. Yeah. We found a bunch and my mother took him to Fort Worth to the museum and they dated them. And some of them and they could look at them and they'd know various styles, right? And they go, oh, this was made by this is twenty two hundred years old. four thousand years old. This is when they started doing this. We have one here. Like one here somewhere. It's a big one too . sixteen seventy seven was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described. Although it says they've been digging people have been digging them up for thousands of years, but they didn't know what the fuck it was. This one says he even thought it belonged to a giant human and then this is one for me. Oh yeah , look at that. Yeah, a friend of mine got that off of his ranch . Remy Warren told me that's probably one they used for fishing because it was so big . Interesting. Yeah, I thought so too. I was like, that's interesting. Because I guess when you're dealing with old boats that didn't have a whole lot of power , you really wouldn't want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get enough penetration to get through the rib gauge unless you were really close this would be more on a spear . No, it would be on an arrow. It would just be something that you shot at a fish because it's easier to penetrate than like say a buffalo where they would use a smaller head . They're just trying to get penetration . That's fascinating. Just amazing thing. You're finding just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet, no books, no nothing , just flint napping using tendons . Yeah . And then trying to practice with those bows and figure out how to do it while you're on horseback too it's crazy . So where you grew up on the ranch you grew up, you'd find them all the time? All the time. What was the oldest shit you found? Come man I can't remember but I remember it being thousands of years old, a few thousand years old . But we had a like my mother had this wicker basket that was like this big and it was full of arrowheads. Yeah, wow. You'd find them and just toss them in there. That's crazy. Yeah. It just makes you think, like, how long did people live on that land? How many hundreds thousands of years did people live on that land? Yeah , yeah . And or pass through or have battles or fucking knows. Yeah . Or when you find them like we found them, I mean , every single time it rained, you there was this stock tank behind our house and you maybe it's half mile up to the stock tank. We'd walk that road and you could find four or five . So was that a trading depot? Was that some place where people went to trade? And then I always think like how do you lose that many as hard as they must be to make you think once you've shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow because you spend hours making this they must have shot so many for so long . They might I mean, they're probably shooting him every day. They probably had somebody back at camp making them every day. There's probably some guy that's his skill. Yeah .be May that maybe when people got older , they couldn't couldn't hunt, couldn't run. Right, you know, maybe. They sat back in. Right . Yeah, and that guy makes the arrows and maybe somebody else makes the bows, and this guy's going out and shooting the deer and bringing him back . When you're doing a show like eighteen twenty three , how much research did you have to do to try to get that right? Because that was in my opinion one of the best theatrical things that I ever watched, movie or television show that I feel like nailed what it must have been like to try to travel across the country, to be a civilized person living in the city and try to make your way across the count ry and just experience the wild shit those people saw. Well there's a few things so a lot of research , but interestingly I had my family had come one side of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas in the eighteen forties . And whatever great, great grandmother journaled . Wow . I had to journal . Holy shit. And then I started finding other journals. There wasn't, you know, some were published and and reading about just how fucking dangerous it was. If you think about it , rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers because no one swam, no one could swim . And most of the people who came into either the port of New Orleans or Galveston , they were European . They were German, a lot of Germans. There were a lot of central Europeans that came that came and they were promised free land, right? There would be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip with before they've even left Germany or Croatia or wherever they were . And so by the time that they landed in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and the group would, you know, they have chipped in all this amount of money and they've got guides and they would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons and off they go and they had no idea. No, and a lot of them had never fucking ridden a horse in their life . Much less fired a gun , much less they're in a completely foreign area. Like they don't and they landed in Texas, most of them heading to Oregon because that area was the most similar to where they were from in Central Europe . And for whatever reason they didn't some didn't get that far, some maybe never got past Waco or Fort Worth or wherever . And then off they went and and the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease . Obviously there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes depend,ing on the time of year the era, right? By the eighties, that was largely not an issue, the eighteen eighties , but bandits sure were a real issue because there's no rule of law. Right . Right. And we can look at there's plenty of bad people doing an awful shit today , and we got all sorts of laws. Now imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go to a place to where there's no laws. No law and no enforcement , no help, no nothing. Yeah, you're on your own. You're on your fucking own. And there was a bunch of people that had been living like that for decades just fucking people up. Waiting for you. Just waiting for you. Waiting for you , here they come. Let's get them. Yep. And that was what their thing was. Yeah. No , so river crossings were incredibly dangerous . And then trying to if you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fuck ed . Truly fucked, 'cause you could pick the wrong way and run out of water . Go wander around in the circle, you get up there on the Great Plains to where it's flat and there's and you don't know how to read the sun. You don't know where you're going . People go out there and make giant circles. Yeah . I was reading something about that the other day that people tend to, for whatever reason , always walk in a counterclockwise direction when they get lost and that even if they're left footed or right handed or left handed it doesn't seem to matter. Humans when they walk, if they get lost like in the woods , they walk in circles and they almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction. And so this article was explaining that if you find yourself lost and you think you're running into the same places, most likely you should veer towards the right because you're most likely looping towards the left for whatever reason. People tend to do that. What if there's like a scientific explanation Put that in perplexity. See why people move in a counterpart . Plexity doesn't know shit. It doesn't have any tracks. Woodsmanship . I never understood getting lost. the In wilderness, I didn't understand it. Really? I can understand not knowing where you are , but you know, but I never understood getting lost. Well, you must have learned how to use a compass early . Yeah, or the sun. Yeah, right. If the sun comes up in the morning and you're facing it, right then behind you is west, to your left is north, to your right is. Some people have zero experience in the woods though. People tend to loop often counterclockwise when lost because small errors in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate, and humans also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias whose exact cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird? Wow . That's so weird. In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight without landmarks almost always end up curving into large loops instead of moving a straight line. People told, rather, to walk straight without landmarks. Wow. This happens because without internal clues, oh external clues like the sun, distant objects or a visible path, small random errors in balance and body feedback build up until the path bends enough to close into a circle . Wow . That's got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days. And then you pass the same dead tree and you're like, oh my god , we walked in a fucking circle . Pedestrians everywhere exhibit a counterclockwise bias, wired to walk counterclockwise. During COVID , scientists studying social distancing noticed people seem to prefer moving counterclockwise . That's so weird. Tendency is fundamentally individual rather than a collective . What does that mean ? So every individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of people just following the leader . Pretty wild . So when people get lost but some people have just zero experience being in the woods at all and they just don't know where to go. They're where are we? And they just they just fucking freak out. And then they panic because they think, What's out there? Oh my God, I want to die. Yeah . And you realize that once you're out there, that nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. No, it doesn't care at all it's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive. It's not interested in what you want to do at all ? Nope , nope, not at all. It's ambivalent. But that's also part of the beauty of it, right? Yeah. When you're out there . Especially if you take yourself seriously . Yeah. You're out there, you're like, oh, I shit . It'll it'll test you . Yeah . When you're writing a thing like eighteen twenty three, like you're doing all this research and you read the diaries from your said you're great grandmother like great grandmother . Did you did you ever think of like putting some of those letters online so other people can read them? No . There's plenty of there's any number of published books of very similar journals. I don't think it'd be kind of dope for people to read about your great great grandmother. Yeah, nothing happened, right? Like interesting. We had frickin' whatever weird shit they had for dinner that night and, you know, so and so was rude. And you know, it was this and we, you know, we stopped in this beautiful valley and it was hard to get across the river and I was scared and you know,, but no attack s, no, it was pretty uneventful. They got lucky. It's just it's interesting just as a window into time. Yes, you know . Well, what's interesting really is how well written the journal was right because everyone was very educated . Was better educated. Yes. Yeah , yeah. And yeah, that's that's weird, right? When you read like civil war letters, and you're like, why are these guys so fucking smart ? I have letters from my grandfather who died in World War two. Love letters from him to my grandmother . Years of them you know he, ist enedl in nineteen forty one and then went off it became a they flew a B nineteen flew a bomber . And yeah and wrote all these letters to her . Yeah, I have all those and they're just magnificent . Just the way that people would just be so eloquent in a letter to, you know, your wife . Yeah, my beloved. They would write things like that. It is weird like the deterior ation of our ability to express ourselves , the common person's ability to express themselves. You wouldn't have expected that back then, I bet. If you could tell people about the future, oh, you're going to have the answer to any question on your phone. You have a small device in your pocket. It also acts as a flashlight. You're going to be able to pick that thing up and ask it anything you want and instantaneously it's going to give you a result. But all people must be brilliant. No, no, they have retarded . Because they didn't learn anything . Right, right. You can ask a machine, the machine's done all the learning. You just get an answer that you didn't earn , right? That's the word. Earn. Yeah. Yeah, just like equity. The problem with equity is he didn't earn it . Yeah The problem with having the same results as everybody else when you don't put the same effort. People in the eighteen hundreds often spent blocks of time, typically one to three hours at a stretch on letter writing and he,avy correspondence could easily spend several hours, most days . Wow. Most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task, similar to a modern email block, accepting that it would be take a significant chunk of their time. Wow . I mean, how important was the fucking mailman back then? Everything. The guy was everything. Everything. Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters nuts for a quarter. I mean, how much did they charge? A quarter was a lot of money back then. Probably was less than that. Yeah, probably half a penny or something if they had a well, they did have a half penny. How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a show versus writing a show like Lioness or like Landman? Like what is your do you have a favorite or do you like all of them? No No, I can't say I have a favorite necessarily. You know, the fun thing about Lionis , which is sort of I can't say it's ripped from the headlines because I don't I've tried to be I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and then fictionalize that . And the fact that I've managed to be right is pretty fucking wild . I thought surely in season two when I when I when I said that cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like this could be my eighteen month cancel vacation coming . And then it fuck it happened . And then it came out and, you know, the show came out within weeks of that and I looked I looked really like a soothere. Yeah. So that it's a lot of fun because it's so political and it's not it doesn't choose a political side . It just looks at the trade craft of espionage and how intermingles with our military it's just fascinating shit to me. It's just fascinating. But there's so many different things that you have to be aware of to write the shit that you write . You know, like is the Harrison Ford one thousand twenty three is that one That one is fascinating too because you got the guy who goes off to Africa and you know and he comes back and you got all these people that are trying to steal land. So it's not totally lawless but it's on the border of lawlessness Yeah Yeah. You're watching Montana in the twenties was fascinating. It was a fascinating place because you've got the twentieth century of the industrial revolution in full swing and you have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity and then you still you're still traveling by horseback . So very, very interesting . And so that 's a really fun thing to explore. That one dude was the evil rich guy on that show. Oh yeah, he killed it. Tim Dalton. Oh my god, that's right. Tim Dalton , who was bonned at one point , right? Crazy. Yes. Yes. My God, does he play a good football creep twisted. It's so good. Yeah. I forgot that it was Tim Dalton. That's how good it was. Yeah, my wife watched that and looked at me like how'd you think that shit up, dude ? Like I got the side eye for there's a couple of scenes where she's going like bro . What are you thinking? Yeah, there's a couple scenes I wondered myself. Yeah, I was like, this is rough. Like that's evil. Some of the S and M stuff is like she's pretty twisted . But there's people like that in the world. A hundred percent . Yeah. Yeah, reason. I'll tell you what, my computer, I just assume that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team because the shit I look up when I'm researching. I'm like, how to make a bomb? S and M practice CIA hot regions in the Middle East and it's all at once, right? Yeah . Yeah, there's no way they're not looking at your phone. No, they're looking at it going . Taylor's writing something new. Look at this. I think anybody that has an influence, they probably look at your shit no matter what anyway . Which is also dark. Like we don't even know how much actual real sp ying on people is occurring . We're just guessing. No, we don't have any idea. I think within the world of trade craft a tremendous amount. Oh yeah. I think within the world of , I mean within that world, I think when you're writing that, how difficult is it to really keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going on with espionage and like what tools they actually have available . Like are you making some up? No, I mean most of the , I mean, I'm sure there is some extremely high tech trade craft going on, right? For sure , tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition, all of these things. But a lot of it's also very low tech by design because it's hard it's harder to trace, right ? And it's a lot of leverage and manipulation . You're either bribing someone with money or blackmailing them. And that's typically those are the two tools that are being used the most in trade craft in the spy game, right? That's really it's leverage, leveraging individuals. And they're all doing it. Everybody , right? Every single. And then if you look at some of the and again, I'm not getting on any completely apolitical , but from a trade craft standpoint, what the Mossad was able to do with all those f ucking cell phones and pagers and shit ? Like not you want to talk about play the long game . Like build this dummy company, sell all these get all these devices to all of these people who are your enemy and start setting them off years later detonate . Insanity . I mean, it's genius . It really is. Insanity. Not endorsing it. No, but if the actual act of doing it to look incredibly the patience and the planning and the risks and that they were able to execute that is shocking . When you saw that in the news, did you think if I wrote that, no one fucking buy it ? Dude, I do that all the time in the news . The Maduro Rate, if I'd written it. Right. No one would know it. Right. They'd be like, that's too simple. Fuck out of here. That's somehow it goes down. Yeah. Even the Bin Bin Laden radiated a helicopter crashed . Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the fact that they were able to I. know And it wasn't as smooth as it was led on to be, but the fact that no one died, not an American invading the Venezuelan military base in the middle of Caracas, it's fucking insane. It seems like it went pretty smooth. Do you think it went less smooth than they're saying? I'm sure that there's elements of like I'm sure , right? I don't know how many the one thing I've learned with all my research into the military is any of these operations. There's actually a line in the upcoming line is where someone says, did it go smooth? And the guy says, well, smooth as these things go, right? Because that's because just by the very nature you start sticking a bunch of people in helicopters with guns and, you know, shit's gonna happen, right? But the fact that there were no casualties, no one was killed. No American was killed is incredible. Yeah, it is incredible. It's pretty groundbreaking . Like this is like a new benchmark for what could be possible in terms of an invasion. At least of a third world country . It's just shocking the difference in the te chnology that the United States possessed versus them. Well, and whether or not they were even available, no new brother that that stuff was available. Yeah, war is going to change very, very quickly with drones, AI and drones are going to alter the landscape of war . We're getting real close to some terminator shit. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like it's a good thing. No it's a it's a very, very you talk about adolescence of us as a species . We're seeing an adolescence in the teenage years of a new type of warfare and when it grows up, it is going to be a beast , a beast . Just think about it. You know, now they've got drones that are the size of airplanes. They can have a payload that is devastating, right? Beyond just simply a predator drone that's got a couple health air missiles or whatever it may have . And someone's sitting in a conx in the desert in Nevada can fly that thing halfway around the world or don't have anyone fly it, pre program it, and the thing flies itself . And that's give the drone a miss ion and send the drone off to do the mission and it's fully automated. Yeah. That's some terrifying shit. I bet that's a lot of what this UIP shit is too. I bet it's experimenting with that type of technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system . Because they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in the fifties and the sixties . They were working on anti gravity in the sixties. I don't think we're there. I don't know . I don't think we're there . I don't know. I don't know where we're at. I don't either. I don't know where we're at, but I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that they haven't done something. In fact, Eric Weinstein makes some really interesting connections between there's a college in Upstate New York, a university in Upstate New York that has a very over qualified physics department and it's connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie Madeoff type numbers. And he's like, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. And he goes, I have a feeling that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top secret above , you know, top secret access program that's going on . Oh, I can promise you, there's something. Yeah . I've always thought a possible solution to petroleum as far as transportation goes. And I've wondered why they've never tried it is using magnetic force , right? If you have you take a positive and negative charge and going to come together if you take a positive and positive or negative, negative, they're going to I'm not fucking scientist, but you know, it's going to repel, right? We've taken magnets and they push each other away . Well how can how can we not use that if you had a vehicle and the base of it is essentially a positive charge or a negative whatever it takes to make the magnets repel . And then your road base was essentially the similarly charged metal, wouldn't that wouldn't that make it some midge? Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make something like that really? Or put it in the road? Yeah, maybe. I mean , it certainly could be a potential source of transportation for the future. But I think the things that they're doing now probably relates to some sort of anti gravity propulsion system . And then there was that, you know, I'm sure you're aware of this. All those scientists that went missing or wound up being murdered? Yeah, dude. How fucking sketchy is that? It's a coincidence. From Los Alamos, all up there at the nuclear. Yeah. Coincidence . Yeah , yeah. Who knows? I mean, who knows what the fuck those people are working on and whether or not they made breakthroughs and they don't want other people to know or whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because they're aligned with whatever the conventional propulsion systems are and they don't want to lose money. This thing makes them obsolete. They can set back the signs for a few years. Or is it trade craft? Is it Russian or Chinese or Yeah, oh sure. And that's the other thing that Weinstein was saying is like it's really shocking how little these incredibly important scientists are protected . Yeah. They just fucking driving their v olvo to the university and working on top secret shit. Yeah. And no one's making sure they don't get whacked by China. Yeah , yeah. I'd be curious . And when they look into that, what was eleven of them? In a year fifteen over a course of a few years and some of them people are not they're going, this could be coincidence. But there's a few of them where it's like, okay, these people, like this lady specif was ically working on spacecraft metallurgy. This guy was specifically working on cold fusion. This guy was specifically like there's a bunch of them where you go, okay. Some weird, some's weird here. Yeah. Well enough to the fact that the government's looking into it, okay, there might be something here. The Justice Department's investigating it. They're trying to figure out what the connection is and what could have happened. But you know, it's hard after the fact to try to figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired from another country. Like they're not gonna tell you. Like how are you gonna know? You didn't catch him? Did you not catch them when they killed the guy? Okay, well, you're probably fucked. Yeah , yeah . Yeah , it's it's fifteen . Yeah. And they're all from that area. Aren't they Los Alamos around? I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that's part of the problem. It's like there's whenever you have a thing like this where people start looking for connections, they can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid . And so let's say if there's fifteen, let's say ten of them, ten of them are bullshit. Yeah. That means five aren't bullshit. If you know , if that's true, that's a lot. It's five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked. Yeah . And it's interesting that you'd have that many in this specific field in this period of time . Yeah . And they're not, you know , I would think of a scientist as being pretty fucking healthy , right? And I don't know about that . I think a lot of them are just in their own head , you know, and they're probably not even paying attention to their body. Did they all disappear? Different people died from different things. And one of the weirder ones was this one lady who was , I think she's the metallurgy lady, where she was hiking with her friend , and they were just hiking together and the friend turned around to talk to her and she was gone . And she was just behind nearly thirty seconds before they couldn't find her, they brought in cadaver dogs, they brought in search parties, never found her. And I think they might have found her body recently . They see they found I think there was a report a few days ago that they might have found her body I'd be looking real close at the friend . Just me. As a guy read scripts? So me and Joe went for a hike. I turned around and the fucker's gone. Hey, I don't know where I looked everywhere . I swear, I had just talked to him thirty seconds ago and he's just not there. I don't know. No sign of struggle. It's weird. Yeah . Yeah. Like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady falls off the cliff. They're like, Hey buddy. Yeah, what the fuck happened?? You guys arguing Can I see your text messages? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or the one that just fell off the boat . Oh, what happened there? I don't want to say it wrong, but I think she I think she was out in the Bahamas . I read about it. She was it a cruise ship one? No, no, no. It was him and his lady and they're out on a sailboat or something. And she was like the thing off the side. Yeah, he had to yeah, something weird. They're not buying it. Goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood story. You ever look into that one? Oh, yeah. That's right . Her and Walken and Robert Wagner on that. Yeah. Robert Wagner and her had a big fight, apparently . And then she just whoops . Nope . Not the same person as the metal Which one is this lady? But she was one of the scientists, correct? I believe she was one of the missing scientists. Which one was she? What was her specialty? Does it say which you worked on? No Administrative Assistant . Yeah, I remember this lady . Yeah The other one was her name is Reza . And the Reza one, that lady, she was the one that has the so she serves as a director of NASA Jet Propulsion Labor atory and she was in the materials processing group. She specialized in burn resistant high strength metal alloys and rocket propulsion metals. It wasn't she one that had like some weird videos what she had made ? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway , the whole thing's creepy as fuck wild . And she was hiking in the Angeles National Forest. Yeah, outside of Pasadena . Hm m. Yeah . That could actually be a fucking mount line. It could be, you know , or it could be a lady who's working on top secret rocket propulsion fucking metals . And they're like, this lady's a problem . Was there some town? I want to say it's Arcadia in California. They the mayor of that city. Yeah, yeah. Arcadia. Yeah. Chinese fly . I would have to think if you've how many people have you recruited that you finally go, fuck, let's try and get the mayor of Arcadia. We got everybody else. Yeah , they probably like worked her into position to run as mayor, you know ? I mean , and then with the hopes of she was relatively young, right ? Maybe you could go run for a state rep and then Congress and be the fucking president. There was there was a thing in the seventies called ABSCAM. Do you remember this? Yeah , where there were all of these politicians , a few Congressmen , some state reps , and they were all like Russian spies, or at least on the take. Right, right. Soviet Soviet spies. Did you ever see that show theed Americans? I didn't either. But I heard it was great. It was all about sleep or cell Russian family that was pretending to be normal. Yeah . That's fascinating. Yeah, that's real. They did that. They really had Russian agents pretending to be American cit izens? Oh, I wouldn't say had. I would say have. Oh yeah, no, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. And Chinese. Yeah. For sure. For sure . A hundred percent . Yeah. Plenty of 'em. A hundred percent. Yeah. Boy, how many Israeli agents are in Hezbollah or in Hamas ? Like probably or in the IRGC? Yeah, probably. They probably got a bunch of those guys in there. one hundred percent. Yeah , it's just wild . Fucking .' Its trade craft man. That's a fucking whole other thing . How hard is it to write about that stuff and like get it right to get it accurate? I mean I don't know you speculate a lot and you look at the past, right? Because there's been enough, it's funny because when they get caught never it's never that big a deal. Like there's always some it doesn't for whatever reason the, news doesn't there's we could pull it up. There's been any number of Chinese scientists over here and they were stealing this and they call it this. It happens all the time. See the ones that got caught trying to bring in bio they were trying to bring in what were they trying to bring in diseases or something? Something I was looking there's another one in Vegas recently, but it's like they have these biolabs that are like being run out of like an apartment or something . CCP linked bi o labs in American soil exposes major bio security gaps. Policymakers must act to improve oversight and biological research activity. Wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an Israeli agent and he got released and he took a one I think was in Vegas . Yeah pulled that up. That's the one in Vegas. Yeah, so this guy, he had all these fucking diseases in his garage. twelve hundred samples Conclusion is a conclusion of the FBI lab that the community could not be harmed by what was contained in that lab. What? Finding possible biological laboratory in a garage. Inside, investigators found refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids. Police said in the immediate aftermath, the home is also operated as an unlicensed short term rental . What is this fucking guy doing? Why so the question up yeah so the question is why does someone have this materials in a private residence, not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed medical facility of any sort, and then Homeboy got released. But check out the names on some of the violes. Oh boy . They located pathogen labeled containers with labels such as dengue, fever, HIV, and malaria, along with a thousand mice , or according to a federal report, federal government never tested the items, and the CDC only made its determination based on the labeling. What ? What the fuck ? So in that case, Chinese citizen David He faces federal charges for allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices . He does not face charges . He does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas raid and a trial in California was scheduled for April. What the fuck ? Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS and fucking dengue fever and malaria. No worries. Jesus, normal . So what was the Israeli guy the guy who owned the lab? There was like an Israeli guy who they caught who owned and then they released him and he went back to Israel and everybody's like, hey That's the same case, I think. It says Fed's drop case against Man arrested in Las Vegas bio lab investigation. What's his name ? Ori Solomon. Oh, Orry, what were you doing? Orre. ORRIE, why do you have the HIV? Orry , there he is . Feds drop case against man arrested in Las Vegas bio lab investigation. Yeah, I mean, why investigate? Let it go, guys . No big deal. He was only charged with illegal possession of a firearm in Nevada . His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. Well listen if he, doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is he gonna defend all his malaria? People try to steal malaria, bro. Gotta be careful . Oh boy. Yeah this doesn't seem like someone made that gun. This is too much fucking shit in the world to pay attention to and too much of it is so disheartening. The more you look into it, the more you're like , Is it all fucked? Is the whole world fucked? Like what is going on? And and my guess is because there are so many different two things, right? There's so many different there's no secrets with the internet and social media and phones, shit's getting out , but it's also getting out at such a volume that none of it seems to have an impact . Right. Right. Right so much . Right. Think about that in the nineteen nineties . Right. They're talking about that on nightline and this and that and meet the press and Chinese spies. This is Israeli , you know? That's news, but now it's just another the news cycles of flood . It's like you drop a rose petal in the river while flood's going by. Like it's gone. Yeah. It's here. It's gone. And it's a sensory overload and people are tuning it all out. They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done. Nothing happens. And the more people like that get released, the more people they throw their hands in there. They'd rather just watch sports. Yeah , yeah, just forget about it . Yeah, well, I can't believe Simon Schuster didn't send you my book. Yeah, well I don't know what happened. But I'll listen to it on audiotape. I'm glad you did the audiotape though. Yeah, that's important. Yeah. Pull up the you're going to fucking love it. It's oddly entertaining and informative. How did you have the time to write a book? So you're writing one hundred and fifty different TV shows. So you know what it is. Do you know anything about it? No . Pull it up. I just wanted I'm gonna try and I don't want to tell you what it's called. I just want you to see that . How to not die in prison? I taught you like it . So here's the so here's the deal . So when I lived in LA , there was a gym on Beverly Boulevard , right like Beverly and Sweetser and everybody called it Buns on Beverly because they had all the treadmills kind of right up there and all the girls are there and if you get stuck in traffic, you're staring at all their asses. That was my gym. So me and a buddy of mine shared an apartment together and we'd jog down there and work out every day. And there was this dude that showed up and started working out in there and this dude was jacked , but different than like the West Hollywood fit. Like this fucker was yoked and had all these crazy tattoos on him . And we became kind of like friendly and ended up kind of becoming friends. And his name's Tom Nelson. And one day I'm like, what have you been doing? He goes, well, you know, I'm just starting to train. I'm going to start personal training here. I was working over at the Vitamin Shop. Guys like in his forties. I'm like, We're in vitamin shop in your forties. That's kind of weird. And I said, Yeah have you always lived in California? I was like, Well, I've been here nineteen years. twenty years . Yeah, yeah. I said, Where are you from somewhere in the southeast I. And said, always You live in LA. Goes, well, no, I just got to LA. See, I've been in prison. I said, ow , how long ? Seventeen years . I said, ow , and I didn't ask anything else, right He does become a personal trainer and I'd see him over. One day we have lunch and we're bullshit and then I'm like what tell me the deal. He's like, Oh I was a fucking criminal dude. Like a criminal, like a real criminal. Like biggest drug de aler in Hollywood and armed robbery and ran over a DEA agent like I was a fucking criminal. But now, you know, when I was in I discovered, you know, fitness. I started working out and I'm like, when I get out , I'm going to, you know, he got himself in good shape. I'm going to start, this is my passion. I'm going to do this. So he was a trainer there for a while and then he opened his own personal training gym And I would go work out over there and hang out with him. He was a cool fucking dude. And it became the biggest private training gym independent in Hollywood. So I go off and you know, I start writing and I'm shooting Yellowstone and he reaches out and he goes, Hey, I wrote a movie about my life. I'm gonna send it to you . So he sends it to me and I read it and it's actually pretty good . But it's sort of a fun nineties kind of they don't make movies like this anymore. It's like it's the rock but we're celebrating the, you know, the guy was the fucking criminal . But it was good. I said, Hey, I'll pass it on to some producers , but nothing ever happened with it . Anyway, so COVID happens . I'm stuck up on this ranch in Montana, and I call him and I say, Tom, where do you get your gym equipment from? Because I need to build a gym because we can't go to a gym. I can't leave the ranch. COVID restrictions, the whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch . And he said, They shut my gym down, dude. So I mean, I'll sell you anything you want. So I sent a flat bed trailer to LA and picked up a pileage of equipment from him . And didn't hear from him again. He calls me maybe eighteen months ago, two years And I answered and he's like, Hey man , I'm in a bad way. I'm like, What's the deal? He goes, fucking a single father. I got a five year old kid. I got fucking colon cancer. I'm fucking dying and I don't I'm tapped out, dude, I'm a fucking sixty year old felon and I can't get a job, I can't do anything. Is there any work on your movies or anything that I could do? And I said, Well, first, colon cancer, how b ad? Like, what stage, what's this? He goes, I don't know. They saw it on an x ray and diagnosed me. And I said, Well, let's deal with that shit first. So I fly him to Texas where I know people and I get him in and he sees a doctor and fortunately the mass wasn't cancer. So they help him out, do the surgery, get that done. Then I say, well, I mean, I get you a job in a movie, but it doesn't pay very good in the hours or shit and you got a five year old daughter. I mean , you know, to just be a production assistant or something is not going to pay enough to offer it's not a great that's not a plan, right ? I goes, you think you could like just spot me for a few months while I try and figure your shit out? And I said, I have a hundred percent failure rate of loaning money to friends. It doesn't work, right? I'm not a bank and buying you ninety days ain't gonna fucking help. So but let me think , let me think of something . And so it doesn't take me very long. And I'm thinking, here's a guy who spent seventeen years in prison . And you know what I've never read, I've never read a how to not fucking die a travel guide to prison. So I call him back and I go I got it, Tom, we're going to write a book about my life. Kinda, we're going to write a travel guide to prison for the accidental inmate, right? Somebody who fucks up and they end up and they don't know how to navigate this place. He a knows travel guide. I said, I'm going to send you. So I bought a bunch of lonely planted travel guide to Thailand and Mexico and I said, look at these, right? It breaks it down. It tells you an overview of the country, then it gives you a glossary of the terms. They teach you the language. They talk about the food, they talk about where you stay, they talk about navigating the country. We're going to do that for prison. And he goes, I'm in. I said, great, I'm going to write all the intro I'dlluce build a structure walk you through it and you're going to so it's literally a travel guide to prison and it walks you through day one how to navigate the yard being processed in, the food, the commissary, the gangs, the diseases, prison riots, how to get a job in there, how to fucking make a shiv, how to do everything. Whoa. It's a bit is a tour guide to prison. How many pages? A couple hundred . It sounds awesome. It's the crazy hope I never need it. No, well read it. I hope they never need it. I'm gonna guess ninety nine percent of the people who do read it the one thing it'll do is tell you you don't ever want to fuck it go there that's for sure , right? And typically if someone's going there , I even say in the intro, I'm like, if you're buying this book because you're going to prison, finish the book before you get to prison . Do not bring this book with you to prison or you'll die on fucking day one. So leave the book at home . But yeah, so then we did. We wrote three chapters of it . I took it out and Simon Schuster read it, flipped and me and Tom got a book deal. That's awesome. So he was able to sit with me and we wrote it and he was able to take care of his kid. That's very cool . Yeah. Good for you, man, for doing that. That's really awesome that you did that. I know you're busy as shit. Like you having another project on your plate , not fun, probably. That's awesome. That one was a lot of fun. Right. Yeah, but not fun to take something else on. I mean, I'm sure you but it was it was it was a very entertaining diversion from , you know, from my other, you know, I can bitch about my other job , right? Bitch about something on landman or whatever. And then I'm going to sit down and oh, we're writing about smallpox today. Okay , there's some perspective. It's it's not quite so bad that Billy Bob is an hour late to work, which he's never an hour late to work, but you get my point. Yeah . Yeah, it's a sobering thing. That's a broken system. You wanna talk about a broken fucking system? Yeah . The prison an Alabama solution on the guy who did that documentary on the Alabama prison system. It's fucking heartbreaking, man. Heartbreaking I used to be roommates with the guy that edited all of those locked up. He would go and film those locked up. Remember those? Yeah. Go to Fulsum and Corcoran and all these prisons. Just dude, it's rough and not designed to rehabilitate, right? It's an institution that guarantees you're a criminal when you come out. That's what you'll be. If you weren't a criminal when you went in, which you clearly committed a crime and got convicted, but you're going to be a fucking criminal when you come out . Like the people, the guys like Tom who mean there's an eighty something percent recidivism rate in the U S , so for a guy to get out of prison and not go back to prison, the odds are fucking four to one against you. Like it's at least yeah . It's probably higher than that, right? I think it's eighty something eighty something percent, eighty six, eighty . Buck . Yeah, it's brutal . It's brutal . Well, I'm glad you wrote it. Yeah, I'll read it. I promise listen to listen to it. I'll listen to it in the sauna. There you go Thanks for everything man. Thanks for all the awesome shows. It's been great watching them. Dude, thanks for watching. You the man. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate you. Appreciate the guy. I had time to talk about one more thing. Sure . That UFC two hundred and fifty. Oh man, yeah. Justin Gates, dude. Yeah, I just had him on. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I know incredible. I saw him . Remember when I bumped into you at that fight in Vegas, that's the first time I'd seen him live and I go to a bunch of prize fights. I love boxing. And I'm watching that guy . If he had decided to be a professional boxer . He would his striking is that level like that dude he went to work that guy . Now he's a man I'm glad he's an MMA fighter because he started out as an all American wrestler and division one. He's like very he's just a great athlete all across the board and just his particular style of aggression is so well suited for MMA. Oh yeah,. It's just shocking that he's that good a striker and he was a wrestler. I know . He's he's just a wild motherfucker like across the board. But for him to pull that off the way he did at the White House was nuts. I mean his some books had him at six to one underdog and Eliot Tapori is so fucking good Yeah he's so good and he had him in sick trouble in that second round. I watched it again yesterday. The second round was brutal. I mean, Ilia was just destroying his liver. Yeah almost put him down. Yeah . But even in the second round, Justin still bloodied Ilia up, his face was busted up . Like he was getting the most damage to Ilya's face and that was a giant factor in the fight because I don't know what the accuracy of these reports are, but what's being reported is that he had two broken orbital bones and a broken nose . So both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken. And Justin was here a couple days later and he looked great. I'm nuts. It's just like he's very deceptively good at rolling with shots and, you know, he's fucking durable as hell and just very clever, very clever in how he sets things up and where he finds openings. And one of the things he kept getting off is he does like he does a collar tie into an uppercut and he got that off multiple shots. He did that with Phase two. He's really good with that move. He's a beast man. I'm just so happy for him to win. You know, I'm a giant Iliad Taporia fan as well and I think he'll be back better than ever. And I think sometimes a loss is like one of the most important things a fighter can ever have because they realize like you can be beat and you need to know that you're a human. You need to know that you can't just throw caution to the wind sometimes. You just engage in these wild scraps . Sometimes you have to be a little bit more tactical and sometimes you got to realize like you can't take everybody out and that's the case with Justin they couldn't take them out and he almost did in the second round real fucking close real close but you know that frickin' Justin, he can time that transfer of power to right at the end of the punch and just his hands are so heavy Yeah everybody says that too everybody who who he's fought said. he He's one of the hardest guys that's ever hit them, including Kabib, who's one of the old time greats. So Justin hit him harder than anybody. Yeah. He's a fucking animal. Yeah. It was impressive. And the fight was like to be there at the White House while that was going on and to have Justin so happy like there's something about a guy winning who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring . He didn't look like an underdog that night No, he did not after the second round. He didn't, especially the third . the O thirnced rolled around he dropped him and then he got a head and arm and snatched him down to the ground. It was like, holy shit, man, he's he's fucking dominating him. This is crazy. Yeah, it was wild, wild watch. It was wild . It was awesome though. It was fantastic. Should have been there live. Man, that would have been a good one. Oh, it was crazy. It was crazy to be there live. It just felt surreal. I mean, they had to fly over. They all