The Search for a Boring President

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience During my day, Joe Rogan podcast my night all day and I was talking, my father said open me and he goes, You know what's a good thing about you? You never smoked them down to the filter. What a good kid. What a great family . What a great family. My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was always like, God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid. Yeah. And then I had to do a play once with Adam Ferrara and a couple other people. And I had I was supposed to play this something that a bunch of comics wrote. It looks funny little scarce thing. And I was supposed to play this like tortured liberal arts student and it was like smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like fifteen fucking cigarettes while we were doing it and I would throw up. I had a fucking horrible headache. I was like my God, I'm so high. Wow. My arms don't move right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all, and you just smoked fifteen in a row during were you like an athlete too? Oh yeah. Oh, so that totally fucked you up. Oh, completely fucked me up. Yeah. No, the first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible, but I was like, this is great My body responded. I don't know how like what you had is the very normal experience. It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, ooh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool. I go now, I kind of get it. I get why you guys like this. Interesting. But I had we were doing this thing and I had to always be smoking. So we had a rehearse. We were doing it all day and I wanted to try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them and then I liked them. So I kept smoking them. Yeah, it's it's a tough thing because the thing about and I've been sober fifteen years from alcohol and drugs and I look at people that are really drunk. It doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good. It looks good like it always looks good. You never say to yourself like that person is going to lose you'll get sick and die, but you never go, they're going to lose control of their life. Right. So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're having one, they're cool, it's fine. They're using it to help hang on. Yeah, and I never look cool with it. It's like you look at an actor doing it or someone at the Con film . Yeah, someone like that . Timothy Chalamet has one. He's the size of one and he has one. And I go to this fine . Probably in France or something . You know what I mean? They all do shit like that. So you'll see that you go to get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses. And cigarette holders? Yeah, that's your next move. I just got along stems with the cigarette at the end of it. Like nineteen twenty. Yeah . Like nineteen twenties and no it's and it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible and it destroys your clothes and it's very bad for your health obviously . But it is one of those things that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you? It kills you and we're raising the price every year. How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the fucking cartons. When you buy them, I was in London and you bought one , there was like a dead baby on . Photo . They were like low birth weight. Yeah. I was like, this is terrible No one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere. They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like they don't understand the way we eat gluten . They don't get it. There is there's something called Toby Carver , like where you can just like just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff . But for the most part, the portions are smaller and people are more behaved in that sense, but they drink more and they smoke. This is it . European World Cup fans losing their minds over taco bell, ranch and unlimited refills. Yeah . Oh yeah , because they get sick. When they come here, they get sick because there's chemicals in our food. Somebody was telling me they went to Bucky's and there was the soccer teams were at Bucky's for the first time and they just fucking couldn't believe it. Of course . Imagine that's your first one of the first experiences you have in America, you walk into a Bucky's and you're fromech Czoslovakia or some shit. It's one of the most American places as you've said that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also like a weird theme park of food And all kinds of other shit that you could need. Yeah, this guy, dude , LMAO at this is a gas station . Yeah. Well, do you see how big they are? Yeah. The first twenty four million views, that's hilarious. No, it's completely alien to their culture to have a place like that where you could go buy the costs are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and things that you would keep like, you know, like it's all they all think were preppers because if you go to like a big grocery store chain, you're buying food a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for like the wee k. They have small refrigerators. Yeah, small refrigerators couple of days. They don't have refrigerators like we have, but also they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poisonous. Right. They also don't think and they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think they're like they're going to lose access because of some race war . You know what I mean? Like there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs that does seem slightly paranoid. Oh yeah. Well , the news media over here ramps you up. Oh yeah, and you know, yeah, start thinking about stockpiling gold. Oh yeah, yeah. Listen when I lived in LA, when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built. Right. That Toyota and Cruise I got, I specifically I go, I need a bug out truck , like a truck where I could store a lot of shit in it and it could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car. Right. I need a car that occasionally ship might go sideways and you got to get the fuck out of here and you got to drive through the desert. Wow. And you and I've left L. A. multiple times to make that drive, not in an apocalypse car but, because of fires because riots like sometimes fires got to get out of dodge. Three times I got evacuated three fucking times when I lived there. Yeah. And it got as close to like burning my fence down. It's part of the LA experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding, but there was just overturned cop cars on fire and it was like riots. This was twenty twenty. So I just got in my car and I went, okay, I drove to the desert. That's part of the LA experience is fleeing. That's where Palm Beach is. Yeah. Yeah. Palm Springs. Palm Springs. Yeah, you flee. Yeah, you flee. I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. So how does fuck there's no water? Well, you know what it started? It's money. It started because when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within two hundred miles of until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly two hundred miles from L A. Oh that's why she is yeah . That's why they started. Hollywood that, you know, they were like, We own you . You can't go anywhere until the film was edited . So if you want to go on a vacation, you have to go there. You know, what's interesting is like Pasadena was where all the producers live. Yeah . There's beautiful houses in Pasadena man. Mid century modern, beautiful incredible places like estates that just seem completely out of place. Totally. Beautiful. From another time. From another time. Yeah, that's the thing in LA you get the vibe that Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's not Hollywood, it's Hollywood sequel . Like you're not living in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second version of the thing is. Right. The second of the thing is the second version is TikToker. Yeah, whatever it is. It's not it's not what it was in every seems a little bit like a museum or like it was cool twenty years ago or fifteen years ago. You know, somebody recently said this and it's perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming Detroit. Interesting . Yeah. The only thing that might save it is the weather . This episode is brought to you by Create, the leading brand in creatine. 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See terms at casino dot draftkings. com slash promos ends july twenty second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern time . The weather will help the industry dried up . So the big industry in Hollywood , regardless of whether or not it's the biggest economic industry, the biggest industry in terms of like cultural value and getting people to move there was always show business. Yep. And that's they barely make movies anymore. They overtaxed and over regulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries . And most people are making things all over the world and very few things I think at one time it was like eighty to ninety percent . Now it's twenty five, thirty percent shot in LA. Wow. It's a big difference. That's a giant difference. Well, that arrogance of like, this is the best place in the world. Everyone's gonna come here no matter what. Right. That's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever defends California talks about how great the GDP is. We're you know, we're the fifth we would be the fifth largest economic . You know, he starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics and this is like instead of acknowledging we've got fucking real problems people are moving for the first time ever more than they're coming here . We're losing all these giant corporations that are leaving instead of that, it's just this we're the shit. No one's doesn't matter I'm very big on California. I'm bullish on California. Right. It's always going to be amazing here. Well, it's what every empire said until they fell. Yeah, right. Yeah, there's we are the thing. But people don't want to ever believe that things can fall. It's so weird. We'll walk right through the Colosseum and well listen never happened again. Right . When we landed in LA , I looked to the right and that warehouse was on fire with eighty five billion or eighty five million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that was on fire. It was like a multi day blaze and you're landing and you're looking at the window and you're just seeing the warehouse on fire and then there was a car fire on the four hundred and five . Like I saw my house have an apartment there now, but like as I was going to my apartment there was a car on fire and as I was landing the warehouse was on fire and you start thinking yourself, somebody doesn't want us here . Like somebody wants us out . Like it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature. By nature . Well, by nature, human nature. By bad decisions, by Which is nature. Yeah. You know, human nature is nature nature. And the stupidity of humans is it's no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct. Do you think it comes back? Any shot, any chance? Something has to happen . Right Something. big has to happen. I mean, there has to be something that completely shifts the way LA looks at itself . You know, it has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits. Right. A big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch of people that are in the empathy industry. Yeah . And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that. And a giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of show. I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there. And the owner of that casino was talking to me and I said , What would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to L. A. vastly worse. Yeah, way worse. And he was telling me he goes, we have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area . So you have a lot of people that are not for whatever reason productive and they are living in one area and everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive . A hundred percent . Which is what happened in New York in the nineties. People hate it. They don't want to admit it, but what happened in New York in the nineties was like they did, clean up a lot of the crime and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing. A hundred percent. But that's what Giuliani did. That's what he did. Yeah. And he's demonized. He's demonized. He's he's demonized. He hasn't he's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died his legacy would have been amazing . But he's hung around for a while and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, howdy just cleaned up New York City and then left public life. It would have been like that guy. Right. But he hung around a little bit and you know, got involved. They always have to hang around. They always hang around. You're gonna do shows. That's always gonna do stand up. That's right. You're always gonna do shows. But he did such a good thing and then it was like just yeah, just exit. Who's also, you know, who was easy to make fun of like the time we was sweating and his dye Well, that's what what I I mean mean for him. You know? He's melting. He's doing a hair conference in a parking. Don't die hair. Yeah. A hundred years old. It's okay to have gray hair. It's just these guys , there's so much silliness on both sides. You know, there's so there's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy, right? You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City. It's no job. You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence and they , you know, and I think a lot of that the AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to , I think it might I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides and I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's I think it's going to be the next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy , your own rights, what right s you'll have, like I feel like that will be it might take precedent. Instead of like these cultural fights that people have been having for a while , it might be like people might be demanding autonomy , you know, from artificial intelligence. The problem is going to be if you can't demand if you if you don't have a voice anymore. And this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England in England their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrest that people get over there for fucking retweets and likes, retweets and likes. That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet. Arrested. Not even retweeting we ' allcause know if you like you're a piece of shit , you should retweet . We all know that . Retweet itself. So and if you're gonna go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway, if you're gonna get locked up, wonder if you got tweeters for a retweet versus a lightweight. I'm sure Your Honor, my client just liked this. They were confused. They hit a button. So as soon as you have people that feel like the reality of the world they live in is not being represented and they're not allowed to complain about it online because if they complain about it online they get arrested . So right now it's for immigration primarily. This is the right one . But that could change that could change. Well, it does seem to be that they feel that there was a decision made by somebody that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way . They can only offer their like if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it. It's their country. They should be able to say , I'm worried about increased levels of immigration . You know, and they should be able to say that in an inequent way , right? Right . So what they're doing now is they're policing certain words and I think certain ways of speaking and they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now some things clearly are an excitement to violence , but you know, the internet, people speak in a colorful way. People talk using irony. Some people are trying to be funny, some people are so I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, this person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying Right . And there's also people were getting arrested for saying that there were rape gangs. And there were and there were there were. And so this new report , who released this new report that said a quarter million people . It says UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far. So this is april first, twenty twenty six . But I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago . And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful. I think that's a legal social media post is which weird. So legal social media posts. Right. Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there. Excitement to violence is a violation of their law. Right. So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's not clearly not an incitement to violence. But what would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs? I was just there for twenty one days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for twenty one days and you talked to different groups of people and London is a global city. It's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York . And you know, I think one of the things that , you know, they're they're used to diversity there. And so they're not full on panicked about different types of people coming in . But there is undeniably a real problem outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy is stagnated . So you're bringing people in. It's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do. And a lot of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion, whatever it is. There is a cultural tension there between , you know, immigrants migrants coming in and this the very established society that's been around for a very long time. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra processed kibble still the st atus quo for most dog owners. Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know I buy one, the farmer's dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. 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And so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor. And then this guy says no more pride flags. No more pride flags. Yeah , they're inching towards what they would like , which is Sharia law. If you ask for sure, most people who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress. They're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing. Right. So you've got to factor that in. But at least a percentage of them. There's Sharia Law would be a great idea. I think there's certainly a yeah , I mean and this was covered up too a lot of the grooming gang scandal there. Yeah, so we're looking at it right now. It says this is on national review the UK horrific rape gangs. So this but there was this the rape gang inquiry report, right? So who put this report out ? Members of Parliament and restore Britain party leader Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators had limited powers such as inability to compel witnesses or require sort of document production that could corroborate some of the most heinous victims . Viewed with those limitations in mind, the independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terror ism that occurred nationwide for decades . Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously, I mean , I think they said it was two hundred fifty thousand girls. And this was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame anger against the, you know, population of migrants. Right. Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this, obviously. Obviously. But it is something that , you know, in a free society, everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them. But in that crazy that in the under the guise of progressiveness Yeah, you've enabled rape gang s. Well, one hundred percent, it's crazy. But it's also incredibly it's not shocking because the ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now, whereas basically if the goal is to just eliminate You know, whatever it's being called, like this patriarch al white male dominated society . And if you want to get rid of that and that's the end goal , a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle. Like a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal really is to kind of decrease the power of people they disagree with , you know? So I mean, it's like you know , you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design . And I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's it's odd that this is all happenstance because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So I would imagine that at some point , you know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this , it's they're part of the EU and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So the EU is a supernational organization that would basically say, here's how many migrants you have to admit. Here's your carbon emission standards. Here's your, you know, monetary policy, whatever it is. And Ireland is kind of in that, in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty. They're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supernational organization that primarily seems concerned with the economics because if you bring in more migrants you can artifici grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children. So a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about how do we grow this economy , how do we get cheap help and how do we get workers? And a lot of it is you're getting third world migration. Some of it's genuine refugees for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration, people are coming for better life, hard to blame them . But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's a question. If you lived in Ireland , do you get to have a better life ? Do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that ? And no one seems that concerned about that. Like these citizens who've lived forever in these countries whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know , Britain, UK, you know, things like that , those citizens to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems that they're having there. Well, it's really interesting to watch because if there is a plan, I mean, it's not interesting. It's kind of horrific. But if it's interesting can be both. It can be both. Sure. If there is a plan, like whose plan? Who's plan and who's benefiting from this? Like why would you do this? I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters that don't care that nation states have cult ures and histories and customs and that doesn't really that doesn't bother them as much . And they're basic they're basic , you know, response to just deal with it and to call everyone a racist who questions it or to say everyone's jingoist or ethnocentric or anti immigrant or whatever, they shut down those conversations . And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world and they don't believe in a world of nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power economically from those people and then eventually they want to take it culturally and every other way. So they just want to go around the world and say here',s the way every country will look . Here's the economic policy of every country . And if the people in those countries don't like it and they express that on social media, they're going to get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use, you know, military authority to fire water cannons at them or shut them down or use gas or whatever. And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're going to inf iltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing , which they do all the time . So it's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living, but I think it is clearly someone's design . This is in happenstance. None of this has to happen . We don't have to invade countries , sponsor coups , steal resources , and then like drench communities in guilt and say now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with that. None of that has to happen. That's a strategy of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this. Do you think it also has one of the factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're going to pay attention to what the government's doing. Well, one hundred percent. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're going to be willing to accept new laws. New laws, new surveillance policies. And you're going to just say I want peace and I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it. Yeah . And I think that's very possible, but it does feel like it's it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across . But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include non binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa . Yeah, good luck . But I mean that's but it's amazing the people that would be most opposed , the people that like if you do bring those people in, the people that are going to hate the most are the people that want them in the most . Yeah. They're the ones who are most likely to say we shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here and no person's illegal. And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not even the people bringing them in. They're being used. Right. They're being suicidal empathy. Their empathy is being weaponized, it's being used . People right. So people that are manufacturing this reality are using those people . These are the same people who really don't care if people in this state over have healthcare. Right . These are people that haven't spoken to their sister in two years . And they care a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever . But we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be an IS . We got rid of Qaddafi, there's slave markets in Libya. Right. So we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe . We destabilized all of Europe and you know, you can't take us out of it. You can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of it. You can't take the US and Britain and France and a lot of other powers that have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through Western countries, European countries . Yeah, fun . It's going to be a fun next fifty years . It's kind of crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from nineteen ninety eight from Paris. Yeah , versus today. They showed like nineteen ninety eight and then they showed twenty thing. And you know, listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes , different groups of people . You know, but then you look in Ireland, this guy just got beheaded in the street , which I'm against and I think is wrong . And he beheaded some guy a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded or damn near beheaded, tried to. And there's a video of it . And now Belfast, like, you know, it's probably quiet a down now, but they were like tremendous riots. They were like burning things down because they're like, we never got a vote on this . We never got a vote on on bringing the people in. Yeah. We never got to vote on that. No one ever asked us how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly and what we were prepared to do. No one ever asked that . People don't like to admit, but it an arm pedopulation it's much more difficult to pull things off hundred percent population hundred percent and that's another part of the problem with UK and with Ireland and all these places. It's very difficult to have a gun. Diversity also relies on a very productive economy. So New York City works to do to the degree it does because people can go out and get jobs because the economic reality of the city is that it can support a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people , but when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of the UK , that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell. Harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well . Like the people that have lived there forever not thriving, they don't feel great . Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling to find work . So that's part of the problem. Do you think that this is being done with a strategy knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society. Yes. One thing I believe, this is what I believe . I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house . People pay lip service to the idea, but there's there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age who have never owned a home and never will . And no one's trying to no one's wants them. They've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game and they live in a little apartment. They type, you know, they're on a MacBook , they're getting radicalized in any direction. They're upset , they're on dating apps or whatever, but they don't feel like they have a foundational core to their life. No one has really , really even given them the idea that they're going to get that. So I think that's just one of the things where they're basically saying like, no , you don't need a house and you're not getting a house and forget what owning a house was. Like forget that that doesn't matter. And I think part of this is because they know same thing with healthcare, there's no real movement to give anyone health care in this country. And if it is, it gets shut down immediately . So on the positive side, you might go, well, they know that AI's coming and that AI is going to do a lot of stuff with health and it's going to help extend life spans but also on the negative side they go, A's going to disrupt the economy to a point where like we're not going to have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of without a steady income or they don't really know what to do. We're going to have a lot of wealth that's existed , a lot of capital and we're going to have tremendous inequality and we have a lot of joblessness . So for sure, I think that they're they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape because they're selling the country off for part s and this is both parties and this is like they're selling it off for parts. So I mean obviously there something's coming . Something's coming for sure . And I don't know when it is, and I'm sure the AI thing's overblown to an extent and I think so much of our GDP depends on it that a lot of these companies are lying but anthropics are creepy these are creepy companies , you know? I mean, they're just creepy . This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home. But if disaster strikes, you want to be prepared, even better if it can be stopped before it happens. So check out Simply Safe. 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And they took over India and Pakistan , but if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that big other than the army part, what they have is robot armies. And then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is going to be like a million times smarter than the smartest human that's ever lived. Right. Like this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital god, and it's going to be controlled by not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by select few groups of people. And that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them. Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels, or you're not going to get a vote on . You know, like I think the reality is that eventually they're going to go, do you want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You got to do X, and Z, you got to believe X, Y and Z and I mean, that seems to be coming . And it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get them scared, they'll this is what we learned during COVID, like they will back down. They'll they'll go along with a lot of stupid shit. They'll go to they'll go they'll try to find comfort and they will listen to people that they deem to be worthy , you know? They'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government. Well, you have all these studies that come out, you know, this is the thing that I like. I love London and the people there are great and they're fun people and everything like that . But they have a, you know, because they get healthcare, they get a little more from their government than we do. There's more trust in their government than we have in our government. And there's positives to that and there's negatives. But they are a society of rules and customs and order and it is a bit different. So I think they are more likely to go along with the grand plan of the government more so than the United States where we really do question what's happening than people in Europe or the UK overall? Yeah, well that makes sense, right? They have socialized healthcare, they have isn't their education paid for completely isn't university . Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life. Yeah. There's benefits to that. Totally. There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said that like in this country. It's foolish that we don't have that we don't pay for higher education. Like the more educated people, the better. Like the less losers the better. Part of our country is , you know , where we do we manufacture a lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths. That's what our cult doesure. A lot of sociopaths. A lot of sociopaths a lot of people that don't give a fuck about anything a lot of people that don't care about anything. that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right? It's celebrated. And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony it just ins,pires all these eat the rich people . The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe America. If you had to describe it in three words, it's just out of balance. It's out of balance. It does and it's hard because we've got three hundred fifty million people . It's hard to bat, you know, and it's like , what do the people in Menlo Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarcy? Like, yeah, I get it. It's a weird place. You have all these different climates , habitats, people have different interests . But I think AI might unite people because like the idea of this as such a powerful force if people don't start getting cognizant of it eventually and start , you know, talking about regulating it or anything , you know, I do think it's it is going to be , you know, a very strange time if people you know, just ignore it forever . It's gonna do something weird. I'll tell you that. It's not gonna be normal like whatever's coming over the next twenty years, no one is predicting it. I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity. How about Peter Tiels like that whole Antichrist thing? Yeah, he doesn't hold. What is he doing? He gave a fucking lecture on the Antichrist. He's a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And a lot of those guys are moving into this interesting area of this is this is God wants this like Jady Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously, and I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the Iran war for sure . I think he's by far one of the only people in there going , let's calm it down, which is why a lot of the big donors are slinging mud at him, you know ? But again, it's just he just released a book about faith or reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book. Haven't read it. Fun beach read, JD Vance is reconnecting with his faith, great , inspiring, amazing. We'll get to it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier . But you know, it's also interesting because like some of his donors are huge tech guys. And it's all of these worlds existing together where you have this world of people who are trying to build a god and the world of people who already believe in a god and trying to get all of those people in the same tent . That's interesting. It is. You know ? Imagine if that's where God comes from . If this is a natural process for human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation. Then what happens once we get God? Like once we just let's say we bring this God and then what happens ? Nirvana . Nirvana? Yeah, we all merge . It becomes perfect . Interesting. So we all merge and that's perfect. Fine. Don't worry about it. We're all gonna merge with the machine . Interesting . Because people do believe that . At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel, going, man, I see where this is gonna go. Right. This is gonna fuck my whole gig up. My whole gig is making weapons on a stone and tying them to a stick with tendons. Right, and then chasing an animal and spearing them. And now these motherfuckers invented guns. Right. And these motherfuckers invented arrows with every progression of technology, like good bow arr andows technolog y changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a horse. Well, that's like new innovation. Right. Ride a horse now. Now you can move a lot faster. You can get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel. All right, drag the wheel, put a card on it, now we can carry stuff with us. Right. More than the stuff that you could put on a horse. Right. Get a couple horses, they pull a wagon. Right. Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't need horses anymore. All right, let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed Australia Pithecus, Manhattan in twenty twenty six, they'd be like they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They'd be horrified . But do you think like if we showed Peter Tiel twenty fifty, he'd go no that's it . that' Lsike what I want . Like whatever twenty do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's gonna be? No. Interesting. I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sentient. I don't think it's possible. If you if Elon is correct, if Elon's correct then there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings , and somehow or another is why would we let people govern? Why would we let people build that st upid fucking rail station in California that's cost how much money and it's produced what? How much was done on things? Why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that? But if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's gonna go, we're not building a rail station for these fat fucks . You know, I mean seriously, it's gonna go Why would we build a rail station for these people so they can get drunk and go fight each other? How about we get rid of them? Well, maybe it's we don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there. Create little mini wormholes all over the country. You don't need a car anymore. Just press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks . You know, we'll do something Yeah , very strange . I just look at technology and I go it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop around twenty fourteen , twenty fifteen, a lot of the new things started that came in made the world to me very impersonal, corporate, sterile and cold . And the experiences that you get now, like I, you know, there was like if you, you know, I went with a friend of mine. We were in a McDonald's and like you order on a touch screen. There's nobody there. There's some nine year old kid going, Hey, I ordered a McFlurry, some woman screaming at him. Where's the receipt? What's the receipt? He's like nine. He's like, What? There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything . You take people out of everything and then you don't also they have no purpose . Right. Especially when you consider the high number of unemployed people and checked out people. And then people that have whatever their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people but teachers watching their phone playing podio games. There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose . They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to. But some experiences are much worse now than they were before they were digitized. Like I do think there was just pressing a button and getting something on Amaz on is much easier, but there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and like going to different places and seeing people and the struggle of getting like the thing you want . It was something, I bet you were expending energy, you're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. If we destroy all of that , what happens to the human psyche ? That's my question. Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from like whatever the age of the internet kicked in. So it's like what ninety four or something like that. I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up and then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before without real threats totally . Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online. Well, people are very, you know, attached to idea that have to weigh in on everything , that they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything . And the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time. Yeah . And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense , which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person ? Am I do I have the right thoughts about this thing . Am I being, you know, so that to me is also another level of stress where like you would have never had to. There were people when I grew up that just were really good at one thing and they didn't need to have an opinion on something that was happening , you know, world away because they didn't have the knowledge. And they weren't forced into that. Forced into expressing that opinion. Yeah. And they were able to live in in a very a much simpler way, in a much happier way with real genuine connections to people . And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now like the generation that's coming up , you know, the younger people they seem better off like the Zoomers or whatever they are . They seem to be a little they have a little a dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little, you know, they have a good sense of humor. They're skeptical, they're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions , you know , turn out a lot of garbage. And I think they're they're into , you know , some of the crypto stuff. They're into like, you know, they're self starters, they're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with and the generation directly under me , they're all institutionalists . They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved whether you're at NYU or whether it's the state department or whether it's a board or whether it's or whether it's a nonprofit that commissioned to study that pro,ved the thing . A lot of these kids do not think for themselves. And they're not kids. They're in their thirties, by the way. And they're in their thirties or forties. They don't think for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad. It's racist or it's it's it can lead you down a road that you don't want to go on. It's , you know, whatever, it's misogynist, it's homophobic. Like whatever questions you're asking like why do the padres get why do the pad res have wear gay uniforms? Like that doesn't make any sense to me . Like as a gay person, I never said why I need the padres to be gay. Why are the padres gay? How does the what does the padre's uniform look like? They're making them wear like gay things on the uniform. Like pride stuff. It's like pride stuff. I don't think it's a dildo on their head, but I think it's like pride stuff. How many playing dearborn? It's not going to it's not going to go well, but it's like why is Citibank gay ? Why is Chase Why is Chase gay ? What is it ? Why does this help anyone that a corporation is trans ? Why is Chibani Yogur transt . What's the point of this ? I don't understand. Does this get people health care? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy it makes people happy? It makes some people happy that I worry about because I just don't understand and it makes more people angry. And that's why gay marriage has lost eleven points in support . More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all cool with however people want to live their lives. A lot of most people are, but they're like, why is my bank gay ? When did my bank come out as gay and like I'm okay with it if could somebody have told me like what are we doing? I don't this doesn't make anybody's life better . It is the it is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance. It decreases it because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat . And at the end of the day, it's like if I went to a restaurant for example , I have no problem with scientology on record . By the way, I like it. I like cults, I like cult s. Children have too many rights, put them on that boat, whatever you do, see org, make them work. Don't rape them, but make them swab the deck, whatever they do on that boat . And I don't have a problem with scientology. And I don't like the people who leave scientology and then rat on it after it got them all these movie parts. I think that's fucked up too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats. And I know you've had some of them on sorry , but I think they're rats. If you are do something for thirty goddamn years and get rich and famous , shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try to go on your new era is that you're gonna dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich ? Anyway, but if I went, say there's just an aside . That's just an aside . It's truly. But it's the way I feel. Stop Tom Cruise. Yeah, hangs in there. Hangs in. Can you imagine how gross that would be. In there. How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise went out and he's like, you know, Scientologist really Build Shut the fuck up your top gun . Your top gun this worked, whether you're gay or not, they covered it up. They covered it up . You said you did something wrong. They said, We'll audit you, we'll put you in the box. You're fine. Give us some money, live on this mansion . It's all fine. But if I went to my bank and it was just all scientology for the month of June , I would go, this is a lot . Do you know what I mean? So to me I think it's like this weird aesthetic politics that people have where they just they need to pin ribbons on themselves and go, I'm a good person. I have no problem with the polyamorous org happening at Chase or whatever . Just shut up This whole country right now is being torn apart by people who need to feel like they're good people and they need to project their life onto other people just to just live and let live. People disagree with you. I have good friends I disagree with, like on fundamental things foundational things and I don't care . I don't care because I think they're funny. I think their lives are funny. They're bad people . Many of my friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them to other people I cared about , but they entertain me. And that used to be okay. You used to be able to go, I like that guy. He's entertaining. People go, he is crazy. He was in jail. You go, eh , you always minimize. You minimize that. You go, sure he was , maybe , I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone fell down the stairs. He's fun sometimes and you should be able to do that. Not everyone's gonna agree with you. Not everyone's gonna agree with you. It's okay. You got a life is too short. No, you want that. You don't want everybody to grieve. No . You want to live in a world of texture . Yes. Yeah, you want to live in a world you want to have the Joey Diazes of the world. Totally. You want to have some wild people out there fun. And the problem with the generation under me is they're all very like this and they all went to the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like this orderly way of processing information and they're all afraid to like they like say things they, see them in a very well the well the rape gang there gangs that are raping. Well that's bad but there's a lot of I don't know it's been proven and there's a lot of racism. Like they just always they're so afraid of having an independent thought because they've been programmed their entire lives. They don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives to belie ve a certain set of things and their self worth depends on those things mattering the school you went to, the internship you got, the corporation whose dick you have to suck sometimes literally to stay in it . That is where they derive their self worth from . So their entire world crumbles if you challenge any of their ideas. This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With visible, you get unlimited five G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's five G network, the perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at visible dot com start at just twenty five dollars a month or get our premium visible plus pro plan and save ten dollars on your first month when you use promo code Rogan, an exclusive offer for podcast listeners . Yeah , and it's it's very confusing for young people , you know, because the whole thing acts like a religion. It acts like a cult and you have to kind of go along with every aspect of it or you'll be excommunicated. Yeah. You'll be kicked out just like you get kicked out of scientology. You get kicked out and if your life is and it's sterile and it's corporate and boring and and that to me is one of my biggest problems with a lot of people that I speak to is that they seem genuinely afraid use their mind for more than you know what the allotted functions are being afraid to express themselves or they're going to entertain thoughts in their own head. They want to avoid the punishment. Yeah, you know, it's scary punishment. Have you seen this new Army hammer movie that is out now. No, but some vigilante movie. He's great fan of him, big fan of him, think he's great, love everything he's doing. And I like it. I like you can't get cancelled. People come right back. Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, I mean, if this movie's gonna bring him back, I should say. I mean, what did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls. He was considering he wanted to eat a couple of people . You know, is that a problem? But is it real? Is it just crazy talk? Even if it even if it was, is it consensual or not? I mean, is it just saying wild things? Like what is it? Listen, what is it? He's his fantasy was that we wanted to be accountable . That was his like fantasy. That was his kink . Now it was fake, but if he was in a situation where it could have been real, yeah, he would have tried a heart . If Army Hammer , if Army Hammer had the money to arrange this and some people in our country do , if you have the money to arrange it, he's trying to hurt . one thousand percent . And by the way , does it make me hate him? Does it make me hate him? As long as a person was dead or ready, I'm against it. I would never do it, but if you told me, this is how open I am to different people. If you told me Army hammer , there was somebody died and there was a heart, and Army hammer a hammer tried a little bit of the heart, I'd go, hey , fine, live and let live. Do you know the story of General But Naked? No . General Butt Naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't want to fuck this up. So let's be let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia like after slavery was abolished. Right . And I think Liberia has had a series of civil wars, like really crazy, brutal ones. And in one of them, there's this guy named General But Naked and Vice covered this guy . They interviewed him. And essentially now he's a priest. He's a preacher. And he gave his love to Jesus Christ and saved. But back then, well good for him. He would talk about how he would go into war completely naked and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army and cut their heart out and eat it for protection . That's certainly an extreme way to do it. So he did that , but then he found Jesus. So it's okay. Well, it is certainly better . And that's wouldn't the Mayans kind of do that or was that human sacrifice? They did a lot of human sacrifice. Yeah , along with the Aztecs. What happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? I don't want to fuck this up . So Liberia was established in eighteen twenty two by the American colonization Society as a refuge for formerly enslaved and freeborn black Africans to relocate to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over several decades, roughly sixteen thousand freed slaves known as America, Liber ians migrated there . While envisioned as a sanctuary, the nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor and human exploitation. Yeah Interesting. See if you can find that general butt naked guy though. This whole story is fucking crazy. Is this it? Okay . Geez. Yeah. Formed his own militia of several dozen fighting several dozen fighters known as the Naked Base Commandos or But Naked Brigade , most of whom were children as young as nine, operating under the Monrovia area with his unit do say you his name ? Blahi Blah blahi I'm not sure how to say his name became known as wearing only shoes and magic charms and eventually adopted the Nom Dugur General Butt naked. His fighters followed his patterns of dress , which in line with his distorted emulation of animist tradition, believed he could believe could make one immune to bullets, defund his wartime activities and secure a steady supply of drugs for his fighters . Balaji allegedly traded locally mined diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in exchange for guns and cocaine. Let's fucking go. He conscripted many of his fighters and according to some accounts laced the food, he fed them with cocaine along with showing them Jean Claude Van Damme films and to explaining to them that killing people was a game in an effort to uproot the fear of death . His fighters he and his fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities, although the exact extent of the crimes they committed have been subject to disp ute, frequently discussed the alleged atrocities he perpetrated which according to Balahi including murders, cannibalism, and human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the naked base commandos were ultimately responsible for twenty thousand deaths, a claim which has come under criticism. Okay . Yeah He's alive now and he's religious. Preacher now. Yeah. Have him on, and I bet he's a lovely person. That's the thing that by the way, I would hear an open invitation. He's open invitation. Looks good . He's led a full life and there's something about someone who has led a full life This man has letterful life. There he is . He looks like Beetlej oke naked . Wow . Crazy . It's a imagine seeing a dude naked with dong floppin running at you with an AK forty seven with kids blood all over his face? I mean that's I mean that's disturbing, but I imagine that there are very rich people in our country seeing that and paying good money to see it. One of the things we were talking about with before the show started we were out in the hallway. We were talking about how there's a giant chunk of the world that's fucked. Yeah. And what's coming in England , it's not like it's not unusual for other parts of the world. You know, if you go to Karachi, that's totally that's what life is chaos. Yeah, like just chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles and that's what's freaking people out. We live in a very privileged, even the poorest and the worst , which is obviously, you know, it's not to minimize their struggles . But if you go to any of those third world countries , you're very aware of privileged you are to live in a western country . And you know, it also makes a lot of sense why the people in those third world countries would want to leave them and go to other places for opportunity. And I think immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on America and it's had a lot of positive impacts on Britain and other countries. And it's not it's not the idea that immigration is all bad or all good , it's the idea that like you have to do things a certain way because you know societies are fragile. This is what we're learning. We're learning that societies are more fragile. When I grew up , that wasn't a common thought that our society was very fragile. We thought it was very strong . We actually thought nothing could break us. And then you look at a couple of years of a pandemic and and most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look the same . Commerce has changed in a dramatic way. The Iran war proved that, you know, militarily our military is obviously brave men and women are amazing, but like the changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult. It's hard to look at this Iran war as a victory. It's almost impossible unless you're completely dishonest. I don't think anyone is looking at it as a victory . So I think our vulnerability to threats foreign and domestic, we are more aware of that now than we have ever been, how fragile societies are. So when you demographically change a society very quickly , which has never happened historically. It took wars , long periods of immigration . Now it's overnight people have to adjust to a new cultural and sometimes economic reality that's a very disruptive thing. And societies are very fragile, and you've got to be very careful about how you alter and change a society because if you do it too quickly, there's a tremendous backlash and you have to make sure that people want it changed , that people are on board with it . Not everyone, no one's on board with everything, but like if you went a lot of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities, they would probably be very pro immigration and because immigration has a lot of clear benefits to them . They get food delivered all the time . They have access to a wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring. A lot of them are awesome, a lot of great food, you know. So obviously, but again, if you went out into the suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies have stagnated, areas where maybe you've had scandals like this, grooming scandal and things like that , Sweden , whose crime rate is skyrocketed because you've brought in a lot of people from other places that are selling drugs and not all of them, obviously, but like if you look at that and those people have a much more negative view of it because they don't connect the benefits of it because they don't they don't feel them in their life. Right. They were living pretty sweet. They were living good. They were living pretty sweet. They're riding their fucking bicycles and eating heroin. Pretty safe out there. Pretty safe and doing what they wanted to do. And then , you know, you have this influx of people . You now have real poverty. You now have a lot of people brought in people that came from a war torn country or a war torn country. Yeah. Not everyone's gonna be general but naked who becomes a Christian pastor and is probably lovely now . You probably see him in HEB, you're like, sweetheart . At a few people , children may be, but now it's better . That guy, not everyone's going to convert. Not everyone's going to be, you know, you're going to bring people in that people are products to an extent of their environment , like we all are. So the idea that like women have less rights in these countries. So the courtship rituals in these countries are different . The familial relations are different . That's just the way it is . So and a lot of people there like that . So you know , why would why would those beliefs and systems of change just because you happen to be living in Ireland? Right . Why would you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or inherently get more respect than your wives, daughters, sisters, whatever . And I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the entire Islamic world. I think there's a lot of diversity in the Muslim world. And there are lots of countries where there's arguments that women are safer than they are in America. But there's a lot of countries where that's not the case and women have far fewer rights and it's pretty barbaric . And I don't know why those attitudes would change when they are in a different physical location. The spectacular bizarreness of it is that the really kind left wing people who oppose toxic masculinity . Right. Oppose this sort of society that's that we're talking about this this male dominated society like you're inviting in something that literally has that as its doctrine. Well, they think it can be tamed . So here's the thing with those people. They love a challenge . This is the I can fix him version of it . And to an extent, cultural attitudes do change over time . People do assimilate to certain practices . That's not a completely ridiculous thing to think, but they really believe that once all of these people come to these countries and see how great it is to be a childless forty year old woman working in data entry at a large faceless corporation that's gay on pride month . The corporation goes gay and when they see how happy or he or they is living in a society where you don't own anything. You know what's interesting about family? I just spoke to a comedian who went on a World Tour. He was in India and he was talking about how poor people in India don't live on the street. They live in slums, which it's better to live in slums than the street because a lot of poor people are with their families and they won't cast their family out Family in America almost means like nothing. Like we've kind of we've 's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing and like that 's reinforced. Like I am in an argument with my father. His wife has different political views on certain things . So we haven't spoken in a little bit . My cousin's getting married, and I told I have a therapist now that I've had for six months who I don't know if it's good or I don't know if you ever know if a therapist is good or not. And I told my therapist , you know , my dad and his wife are going to be there and I haven't spoken them, but I love my cousin and I want to support her marriage, want I to go. And my therapist goes, well, you don't have to go. No . My therapist goes , if you feel like it's going to make you happy go . So therapy in our country has become a way to kind of enable sick people to just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing and it is reinforced how little family means because like doctors will tell you, yeah, fuck it. It's your father who cares . So it's basically a thing where like I think when you go to these other countries and you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are in family and culture and tradition, and then we come from a country where like almost very little is. I'm not saying people don't have great families here, but like , you know, America is about you and it's not about if you don't agree with your sister, fuck her. If your mother disagrees with you, block her. That's our country . And in other countries, that's unheard of. Like that's unheard of. Like it doesn't happen . And you know, the comedian was explaining to me like in India there's like a lot less of a drug problem in certain areas and he would and he was wondered why and he goes , well people don't want to do drugs to like disgrace their family, even poor people, even poor people be like, I don't want to be a drug addict. My family's gonna think bad about that. Whereas here , there's people that will shoot up in front of their parents . You know what I mean? Like so it's just a different like culturally we've gotten to this point where people are having less children . Family means very little. So then what is replaced that? It's clearly the state and corporations. An ideology. An ideology. So they've replaced families and communities. Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most of the time. Yes. A giant percentage of the interactions you have with people on social media . This episode is brought to you by Traeger Grills. If you enjoy food and I mean really good food, Traeger is a game changer. This isn't just a grill. It's the ultimate way to c ook outdoors, delivering unbeatable wood fired flavor thanks to the all natural hardwood pellets that fuel everything you grill, smoke, or bake. That's it. Just wood and fire and flavor. And what's truly wild is how easy it is. Just set the temp, load the grill, and let Traeger handle the rest. Grill steaks, smoked ribs, even baked pizza, all on one grill. 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It's precisely that's pure molecule thing years ago an awesome documentary. You know this Andrew Gallamore guide, you know what he's doing? So he's what is his exact discipline? Is he a psychologist ? He's doing these things in a country where it's legal , well you fly there and you do a five hour DMT experience like intravenous . He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist and a writer. One of the most world's leading experts on psychedelics very interesting guy . And he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place ? To Ayahuaska. That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems a little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better and they can keep you there for a long period of time . Illusius, okay? So like the Illusinian mysteries from the from ancient Greece . So this place it's in Bacquia . Am I saying that right? In the Caribbean in, March of twenty twenty six, and the aim is to study DMTX and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities . So one of the things that he's saying, so he was just on someone's podcast . Maybe Danny Jones? He has been on this podcast as well . But one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place that you can like it's they're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an Ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT and some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a fifteen minute experiments.e Inadst of that , they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like there's actually a place that you can go. And by regulating the dose somehow or another over a prolonged period of time, it allow s you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable. Okay, it was the basement. That's what it was. So it is AJ from the Y files , which is an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to somewhere new, it unlocked what's always there . These guys are, they're trying to develop like maps of what this is. So they keep experiencing they're charting out different entities that you experience. And there's a bunch of different ones that you experience. And one of them I've seen multiple times is jesters. Interesting. And these bizarre looking psychedelic jesters interesting. I wonder if they were the original jesters. I wonder if like the reason why jesters dress the way they do with these dangling things off their heads because this is what you experience in this psychedelic state and they're trying to recreate it. But what they have done when I've done it is mock me and make me realize that I'm taking myself seriously. Like one time there was like fract al, there's millions of them. I don't know how many and they were all giving me the finger like this. Wow. And I was like, and it was and I said I go, Oh, I take myself too seriously. They go, Yes. And they were like that. That's it. It was like there's little corrections of your psyche that take place during these experiences. Interesting. It's very weird. I'm scared to do it. Well, I'm scared I'll go in and it'll be fractals of JD Vance Yelling Jordan Sorrow. Yeah, it's old JD you need to learn about AI. No, I don't know. I find it fascinating. Well, it is. It's definitely fascinating. Chase Hu justghes in the is podcast and he did it some where in the United States where they did some five hour DMT experience and he was, you know, it's like changes you. Whatever you are now is a totally different version of who you were before you had that experience. Interesting. Which is like life over over day after day, month after month, week after week, year after year, you become a different thing. You're a different person than you used to be. Sure. But sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience can make it abrupt , and then you instantaneously become a different person. It's so it's so fascinating because we are having all these conversations about aliens and entities and human es and whatever. I think it's connected. Yeah. I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there, that have been there all the time. You just lack the ability to see them. You're tuning into it pharmacologically. Like they're changing the chemistry of your brain and it's not an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. DMT is produced by the human body. It's produc ed in the brain. It's produced in the liver in the lung. You need the releases when you die? I don't know. Maybe it's very poorly understood . It's there's not I mean, there's been some work done on it. One of the big ones was Rick Strasm an. He wrote a book called DMT the Spirit Molecule and he did this. It was really kind of brilliant. He had an FDA study that he got this is all like government approved studies on psychedelics under the guys he wants to, find out how bad they are for you. Interesting. So he told them, we want to study the dangers of these drugs. And that's why he got all the money. Yeah. And so he writes his book like this is amazing. Smart. And by doing that and then studying they studied the Cottonwood Research Foundation. They're studying where DMT is coming from. So the thought was that it's coming from the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like literally a third eye in the middle of your head. But now they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't really the human body produces it. That's the most important part. So the human body produces this of the most potent of all psychedelic chemicals that transports you into another world. Like how weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place. Now, whether it's perceived or a hallucination , the experience is the same . So you can get hung up all the time on the oh, you're just seeing things that aren't there. These are visions. Okay , maybe . Maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real . Like it might not be something that you could put on a scale. It might not be something that you can measure with a ruler, but it doesn't mean it's not real. And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions that we have an understanding of all that exists with all that we know about bacteria and molecules and cells and the mitochondria and then subatomic particles and like what's the just the reality that we've observed is so f ucking bizarre. The idea that we know what's real and what's not real and you could say, Oh, it's just a hallucination. The reality is you go to Tim Hortons, you get yourself a donut, and you go to work. Right. No, I think I have a feeling that what that experience is you being able to see something that exists around you. Well, a lot of people are very hopeful . I wasn't one of them per se, but this idea that like we were on the edge of some disclosure that the government was going to start telling us things about extraterrestrials and like remember that? Well, the creepiest one 's like I'm going around was that they had brought together a bunch of pastors to talk to them about disclosure because disclosure is going to disrupt the fabric of society so greatly the question was what were they going to tell them? And so what I have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about UFO's was that they were told that religion was created by aliens to keep people in line and that humans are the product of accelerated evolution and they needed some sort of an origin story that made sense with rules and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something to worship because without that, people are lost. And so that these aliens have created that. Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference . He's the president to say that. Yeah, I got to talk to the president with him to get on there and go. Guys, listen, just we don't know what's going on. The streets are homose. They're open. They're closed or open or closed. Who gives a fuck any more? Anyway, there is no God . You were all created by aliens and you were told a bunch of lies about it . Good luck, keep going to work , markets up. Straight, straight's open, markets up. It's not even that there is no God. It's the God story that you've been told is it's formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain to accept and understand and that there's probably a true story to all of it. If you go back far enough and if you got the actual events that they were trying to lay out, there's probably there's too much of too much of stuff that's in the Bible that like is that historically verifiable ally.. T Butot do you they didn't tell people that because they thought it would be too disruptive? Well, here's the thing, there's a lot of stuff that, you know, when you talk about the Bible, right? You're talking about a series of stories , especially when you get to the Old Testament. It's a series of stories. And some of these stories aren't in the Bible that were a part of the religious canon of the day. And one of them is the Book of Enoch. So Anna Paulina Luna told me about she's like, you really have to read that. And I was like, okay, like she was so adamant about it. I'm like, okay, let me read it. So I listened to on tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to do it. I'm listening to audio book. It's one hundred ninety and five degrees. I'm sweating my balls off. I'm dying in there and I'm listening to this fucking crazy account that is in the same dead sea scrolls as they found the book of Isaiah. Totally. The same collection of these religious texts. And it's all about how the watchers came down and mated with the daughters of man and chose them as wives and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim, which were giants that ruled the earth. Like this is in the Bible , they talk about the Nephelim. In the Bible they talk about Enoch. Like he's referenced in the Bible. Right, but the book of Enoch, the stories that are in the book of Enoch are fucking bananas , like completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it didn't align with the Torah, the Torah, the Talmud. I forget which one, but they decided like this contradicts some of these stories that are in other religious texts, so we're gonna keep that one out. Interesting. 'Cause it was a collection of these things that's all together. Who were these rabbis? Exactly . Right. I mean, who are all these people that wrote these things down? You know, I have this bit where I read out of the book of Ezekiel, and there's like hilarious parts of the book of Ezekiel. And then there's also parts that sound like it's they're talking about a UFO . these Like profound experiences. And then other things we're talking about a prostitute. It's very funny. Right. But this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations of stories written down, passed down generation to generation, written largely intact once it was an original piece. So like they found the book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls and it's identical to the book of Isaiah that is a thousand years newer . So that was older than the book of Isaiah that they had by a thousand years, the oldest one they ever found, and it was verbatim. Right. So they once they got these stories down, they wrote them over and over and over again, and like priests would learn to do that and monks would learn to do that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over and over again as part of the practice . And someone knows in some subterranean part of the government , they know something or many things that they're not going to tell people because it would be disturbing or disturbing. The story about Jimmy Carter. The story about Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in nineteen sixty nine , he had some sort of a very strange UFO experience that was very real to him, very bizarre, saw something . And part of his thing was once he gets into office, he wants to tell people. The story is that he was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality of the UFO experience, like what it what it really is. And he was crying that he wept openly . So what could that mean? Like what would that mean? Well here,'s kind of good . He was yeah, pussies over here. He was a bitch and this habitat for humanity I never understood. I thought it was I think he's a genuinely kidding. Genuinely good person. Of course he was became a president. Yeah, he was never enriched himself. But he was also if you read books about him, he was kind of an operator too. He was kind of he was into the peanut stuff, right? He was a peanut farmer or something. Yeah. You know, he was nobody gets to be the yeah, he was sweeter . Sweetest . Sweetest. One of the sweetest of the president, but so they who is doing this explaining it's just the men and black people from the depths of Raven Rock or Cheyenne, military or wherever the hell they are. What they could be doing is covering up years of lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these black ops programs and the way they can get out of jail because if they go and tell yeah, if they go and tell the government, oh yeah, by the way, we lied to Congress for fifty years . There's no solid verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried, of course there's no solid evidence. Jamie stopping in the arc. He's an Ark. He's because Carter Crowd over a UFO story is based on second or third hand anecdotes. Those are my favorite and is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources. I think it's true . I think it's true. About his nineteen sixty nine sighting, Carter describes seeing a strange light, but did not mention crying or being emotionally shattered by it. But I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure. You got a full briefing. You've got to live with that knowledge. So he's got to go around now and Richard Dolan, who's by far one of the best guys to read about UFO s and UAPs, very balanced guy and like very evidence based guy. He includes a lot of crazy stories but he never goes along with them. Yeah. But Richard Dolan's really good. He's got a bunch a bunch of books. So I don't know if it's true. This is this podcast is the J im Barbara Guy Real? He's the guy that said that he actually had to move a UFO, right? With a helicopter? Yes. I haven't talked to him. I was just watching it, but it's too long. These UFO guys , it's all three or four out like it's not Jesse Michaels does a lot of very in depth ones with these guys. Long. But the good thing about that is if someone's like really fool shit after a couple of hours, you kind of say , you see tendencies that maybe they're they exaggerate or make things up or they leave stuff out or whatever it is . 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People say it's a domestic, it was domestic. It was us. That's what I've heard. But then could be China. Could be China flexing and pulling their dick out. Right. Check out what we have, Motherfuckers. Who knows? Who knows? But there was a lot of things that those things were doing that we don't know that they can do. One of the things like they were flying for hours at a time . And so what's the fuel source? Because it's not batteries.. Downed U S. pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation. Whoa . Well, they're probably getting drones from, you know, Tony China. China, Russia. Of course. So the highest end of high end government drones that we don't know about, who knows what those fucking things can do . Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with smaller drones below their bigger drones like legs. One of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN, real alien shit. Another source told CNN, the pilot described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air . Holy shit. When did this happen? Thirteen hours ago this was posted. So thirteen hours ago this one F fifteen got down. Bro, how nuts is that ? They got taken out by alien drones in April in April . Whoa . So he ejected from the aircraft, the Iranian drones hovering in the air moving as one in a formation that resembled a jellyfish. Fuck dude. Yeah, I mean, so there is a there is a chance that it is R, it's DARPA and it's all of these countries that are , you know, you have these black projects, they have these secret defense projects and they're saying it's extraterrestrial. I think if I was running an undercover operation for as many years as these people probably have been doing and with Eric Weinstein thinks he thinks it's like a separate branch of physics. He said there's a bunch of physicists. So where did they get? This is the story of the we went and did a crazy invasion to get these guys back. Oh, this is those guys pilots, yeah. Oh, this is how they got taken out. Oh, wow. This opens up a lot more questions. Wow, wow, wow , right? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Use the heartbeat thing. That was the whole, right? That's what they said. What was it? So the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat, his very unique heartbeat in the mountains where he was hiding. Wow. And everybody was like, well, that's bullshit. I don't know. I don't know and it's based on some sort of quantum something or another. What is it called again? And then the fucking Whitehouse said, did you see that today? What is that? What? They posted something on their pop that they're gonna announce about quantum computing. Oh cries. Do you think that God's making a joke about Q with it? That's sort of why I asked if you guys had seen that . What's the joke about Q? I could I'll find the pose. Okay I think they have drones that move like UFO's. I think for sure. Where are they getting this technology? I don't know. Do you think it's possible extraterrestrials are giving us technology . It is possible . So the reason White House will be Q posting today was just trolling at one down and it says and by Q we mean quantum staying. Stay tuned. Look how much they're trolling. They're the most committed people I've ever encountered. Yeah, they're fun. I've never encountered people who are so committed to anything. The UFO people are close. Sure. I mean, the CUB people are ten years in going, trust the plan. It's coming . And you go, guys , it's unbelievable how dedicated they are to the plan and that it's still morphing and going in different directions and the data centers are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine . They're not data centers , they're still going and that level of commitment is what America is about . It's about that. It's about not giving up . Yeah , don't give up . Don't give up. You're too deep in to give up. My advice to anyone in that movement stay in it because there's no there's nothing good on the outside . Reality is not good. Stay in that movement, take it as far as you can. What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing? No idea. What was the quantum heartbeat thing? What was that thing called? How do they locate that gentleman? I don't remember them never coming out and saying because people were speculating that like how could you even do it? I think that's right on the podcast next day and I was like, that's not how quantum stuff works. Right, but I don't know if they know that for sure. Sure. So they don't really know what the technology is , but what was the technology that the government described? Because they described it as very bizarre and there was a name for it that involves something quantum . And they said that somehow or another they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat. Right. Unique heartbeat from I think was like, was it seventy or seven hundred miles? seventh this was posted in the New York Post. Secret never before use CIA tool that helps find air men down in Iran. If your heart is beating, we will find you . Wow . So this is it . Long range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat that pairs with the data pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise . And so what is the range on this stuff? Because they were saying it was forty miles, I think they found this guy is what the claim was. But didn't they say the range is up to like seventy miles something along those lines. So I don't know if how long have they had this? Right. Is it even real? Yeah , but this is the thing. It's like, is it real? Like, so this is a post that's in the New York Post and I think it was from did someone release this as a statement? Like what did they do to say they did it ? The confirmation . So lf Saturday morning their CIA director talking about yeah there you go. CIA's missing American forty miles away that was unclear . Okay, that's Trump saying that so these are two different or three different speeches all going in together. I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference. So here's the other thing . If that technology doesn't exist , right and they just made that up to cover for technology that does exist. So maybe there's technology that does exist. That's some sort of large scale satellite imagery of the Earth it gets down to like a grain of sand. And they can find anybody anywhere . They can just find out where the plane is, scan the area. Bam, there he is. There he is. Okay, we don't want to say we have this. Right. What are we going to say? Let's say we have quantum heart rate to go magnetometry Yeah, we can find we can find we could and find Joslaine Maxwell in New Hampshire when that came out people, were asking you why couldn't you use? She was in New Hampshire. Yeah, where is, you know, whatever happened. Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented. That's right also possible. Well, there's still missing people. Guthrie's missing still, right? I don't just we should haven' mtissing people then if that technology exists. That's a weird thing and my heart goes out to her . But that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that's a weird one. And didn't they like they looked at family members as suspects . I think they looked at family members as is she back and I think she's back to work in the story. I don't know. And isn't she back to work? I don't know. What did you say there's a break in the story? No, I think the story got updated recently. Yeah, there's something about a note, ransom note claimed Nancy Guthrie died after abduction and well, well that's a well, you're not going to get ransom then . Second ransom note claims she died. Yeah, this is Blue 's hours. That's a horrible ransom note. So someone posted a note saying that she died, I want money. It's a ransom note that says she died. What about what if she died? Just give us reading headlines. What if she we're sorry she died, just give us what you want. It's not a it's not a specific amount of money. It's just give what you feel is it's like church, give what you can. We're sorry she passed away, give what you can. We're not going to say a specific amount of money. So the note sent days after the disappearance. Oh, so this is not new. Indicated she had died but contained no request for payment for the release of her body. Three people familiar with the matter said though the existence of the note was known the spec,ific contents had not been previously disclosed. So it's just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she was dead. It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like if someone's involved that knew them. I mean, I hate to think that, but it does feel like it. Was there a request for money? What was the first request? Originally yeah, I think it was a bunch of Bitcoin or something they wanted. Let's find out what it was. It's a harmful thing obviously like to know. But it does seem like me say inside job . Well, someone certainly okay, the real is involved. Maybe not. I don't know . So this is all bringing up stuff about rebat. Ask AI, press AI mode . You can't do it. Okay, put it in there. Put it in perplexity. How much do you think they ask for ? I bet ten million . ten million ? For mom . Five ? Five let's see Tens a lot Multi million dollar payments in cryptocurrency mostly Bitcoin with amounts ranging from about four to six million and set deadlines sometimes with escalating or else consequences. Terrible This is insane, but think about it, is that random? I guess it could be. It could be, but there was there was some concern that it was concerned that it was something that a family member did this. Yeah. Who knows? It's sick . Yeah . The Bitcoin thing's weird too. Like you could transfer money in Bitcoin. There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast and it was like a meme quint thing and that was like a platform or whatever. And then I was like, but there like identities were shrouded people knew who they were, but they were also very secretive. They didn't want to get kidnapped. And they split their time between Dubai and London and CA, you know, came to me and they were like, Hey, they want to give you a bunch of money and I go, what are they? And CA's like, Well, you know, it's crypto, they don't, you know, I mean, demons from hell, no offense. Love my people. But they were, I was like, I got to meet them . I got to meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and like ask them what their company does, everything like that. And then immediately once I requested that, they said, Okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and talk to you about the company. I said, I can't, I need to know like know like I , you know, whatever they pulled the offer and wouldn't meet. Interesting. Yeah . Yeah . So there's there's all these shit because by the way, here's a great way to fuck someone is to advertise on their show and then go by the way, the money came from Russia . Yeah . And you didn't even know that. Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right wing? I'm sure it happened to be a part of some . It's hard to know who knew what , but like it's great is what a great way to just make people appear compromised. So when somebody when you go, where's this money coming from? Maybe it's an intelligence agency. Maybe it's ours, maybe it's someone else. But you start going like,, All right I need to sit down with you, have dinner with you. It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who like if these guys were legit or not, but the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that something was up. Also, a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing young long form shows for YouTube creators told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super packs because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically and not only Democrat super packs but like super packs that are associated with certain issues and things like that . So what they're going to start doing is getting behind content and, you know , funding longer form things on social media platforms and things like YouTube or whatever. And then those companies that are kind of in the background of this will then say, oh, we have an audience of five or ten million people watching this. We can put political ads on it and whatever else . So I mean, this is kind of, I think, the future is going to be all many things like this . And when you can do it through something like crypto , like if you can hide your identity, like who knows if it's even a real company. It could be a company designed entirely just for influence. It's very questionable. You have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world, and you know, you have the world of international crime syndicates like they all live in that world . And I'm not saying people that are into crypto inherently suspect in any way. Obviously they're not. But there is a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligent stuff in the crypto. It's like obvious. Clearly clearly whenever there's money , the amount of money that you can make in crypto is fucking bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right? So whenever there's money in drugs, right? Like this is Iran contra. Yeah, there's money in anything. They find a way to get a part of that money. I think what concerns people partially about this administration is some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned with some of the coins and some of the , you know, crypto , Melania coins legit. That one I love. But the rest, I worry. No, but I think I it think's a fair concern with 'cause it's a legal concern. It's legal, but it's like should it be is it should it be it pay. It should it be for sure I mean there's some freedom to you being able to make your own coin back it with money, I guess. But it's also a way that you can launder money. And it's also way you could pay people off for stuff. And do people into spending their money You know what I mean? Like I think a lot of people yeah, I mean that poor girl huh? Poor girls they got, her. got her. They They got her. They got her. I hope she did well on that. That she didn't really not. Certainly in terms of what she could be doing. Sad ly because they get mad at you for something like that? Well, they don't like you anymore. They did the wrong thing and Anna said no. I also need two or something. I also don't know if she was gonna be Meryl Streep , but it was listening. Girl makes more money than anybody . It's true. But I think it could have gone on longer than it what a society we live in . I mean, I just that just hit me. That just like hit my brain that she makes more money than anybody. It's true. I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card the end of Maga. Yeah and that the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama was a man Well it's just the greatest thing for if you're a deep deep hardcore and I don't even mean like the American First Principles. I just mean like you're along for the ride. You're here for the part. There's a lot of maggot people that I'm friends with that are deep, they're not political. They're along for the part. They like the party. Right. They want fun. Florida, it's four PM, they're drunk . You know what I mean? And they're in for the fun and it's hard . They have like they have like boat shows and regattas where like a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags. When they're watching that UFC event in their house in Saint Augustine or Tampa or fucking West Palm, whatever it is and that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man . It's the culmination of things that you they're not gonna be that . It's hard to beat that . That would there were houses that cheered when that happened. A hundred percent how many do you think over the whole country . It was audible in Florida . Florida, I know for sure was audible. For sure, people cheered and it was like, listen like outside bars. Yeah, you know, it was a party. The fights were good. You, you know , it's like to me it's like there's this, there's this every cultural thing has a moment where it just explodes and it's over after that, you know, it's like Hunter Thompson has that fam ous quote about it where he was part of this thing and then it just, you know , we saw it happen with like celebrity culture. A lot of it like that imagined video during COVID was kind of the ended that. people Like are like, shut up. Yeah. Like really, it was like they did that video and they didn't know it at the time, but people really started to turn on them and they were like, Just shut up. There was the other one, the BLM one. Totally. All of them. Same sorry to be white or whatever it was. Same shit. Same kind of thing. People just said, okay, enough of this . And I do think that every movement just gets to a point where you've done all you can do, you've done all you can do. And when you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight on the White House lawn and you're asked if you have anything to say and you scream, Michelle Obama's a man. That is the clock is struck midnight . That's that. I mean, I don't know what else you could do . That guy, Josh Hokit, yeah , you know, that's like he's got a stick. Like he's got a character. Totch fun. Incredible hoke. And so he's basically like a pro wrestling bad guy who also is a really good fighter. Right. So there's a real problem there. What should have happened winning? Yeah, and he says crazy stuff. Well, they probably in retrospect Yeah, if they wanted to avoid this. Yeah, probably shouldn't have had him fight on the White House launch. Sure. Because if he said that at the T Mobile Arena or Madison Square Garden totally outrageous, sure, but not that big a deal. But it's the yeah, but here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should have made an undertaker like entrance . Let's go in. All of a sudden the lights go light on him. And then the light goes on on the balcony Michelle Obama she comes on a cord that she flies over . If Michelle Obama had made an undertaker like entrance and got in the stage and then body slammed like can you imagine unbelievable? That would have been amazing. The country just exists for ratings now anyway . It's all it exists for . It's just that's all we're doing anymore. That would have been unbelievable. Here it is. This is what you guys are thinking for sourced assistance. Yes, yes, yes , yes . She's in the ceiling the entire time. Obama comes down . You see, Trump, Trump starts doing his dance . He's doing his Trump dance. Michelle Obama comes down. She's got a cape . Bro, it would be the end. It would have been un fucking believable. And she would have been president next . She would have been president next with no election, no election . Vance is going to stand up to that . She should have descended from the rafters in a cape , fought that guy, you know, you know, choreographed body slam . It's fun, fake . And then she does an upper cut and then he's on a cord and he sails out unbelievable missed opportunity. Missed opportunity . Because why not ? Why not have some fun ? Yeah, why not? Why not have a fun year they said or some wrestling event there? They could still pull it off . They could do it. And if she's smart, she hears this and she's on her phone with her people . Don't sue them . They were going to sue them. They thought about suing them. It's like, what? Stop with the suing all the time in this country. Do something fun . I agree . Too much suing . Well, there's there is this moment where the UFC thing was going on where like the planes flew overhead where it just like, I'm like, is this even real? It's it was it was it was wild. It's such an amazing spectacle . It's hard to top. It was pretty amazing. That's what I mean piece of entertainment. Of course. It was also the only UFC card in the history of the where every fight was a knockout. Yeah , it's this was the this is senior prom . Everyone's got to go to college next year and, you know, wherever they go, this is it. This is party. Jackie 's a moment after senior prom or you know, some party that you have sen your summer of seen and you're looking around at all your friends you're all high and drunk and you're looking around and if you're smart and most people a lot of them have this thought they go this is never going to be like this again right . This will never be like this again. We'll never be able to get together on the White House lawn and do Motor Cross and watch UFC and call Michelle Obama a man . It started when he walked down the escalator. We went through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot. Who knows who did it? No one knows, no one seems to care whatever fine moving on. But you know, he's he's, you know, he's gone through many iterations. There's he's been out. He's been in. It's the most it's the most interesting story really in recent human history and this is the party to throw and it's wild because we're not going to win the Iran war. We're not going to win the Iran war. It seems very clear that it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out with like a decisive victory. So instead of that, we this this we did this . How was there no open investigation into the assassination attempt? What happened there? Because that's where Kent said that told the story. You want to be honestly done. Do you know who you put in charge of it? If you want it truly, and I'm being very serious . If you want an honest investigation, put Israel in charge. Joe, if you want if you want it done right , have them do it . That's all I'm saying. Have them do it . Just have them do it. I would trust think you they should look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as well. I would trust their conclusions . Have them do it . That would be my thought . Just a fun thought. There's a lot of people that think it was a hoax and that it was a setup. And if it was, I've said on my show, just tell us how you did it because that's fun too. It's fun. Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally and Butler sued the United States . Two men who were wounded in the shooting They're suing James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot during an attempted assassination of Trump. Their attorneys filed federal lawsuits against the United States for their life altering physical and emotional injuries, claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was shot in the stomach while Copenhager was shot twice . Yeah. Pursuing ever end in this country. But there's an arg ument that was negligent to negligence . Remember that woman, Kim Cheetle, who was in charge and then they put her back in a bunker She was in charge of the Secret Service. Kim right, that's right. She was like, Cheney's assistant slope . Yeah. The roof was too sloped . They shocked the guy. He didn't even fall, he didn't roll off the road. Like the whole thing the slope of the roof that they were on was steeper. If it's a faked assassination attempt, I don't care. I want to know how it was done and so does the rest of America. Produce a special where Barry Weiss interviews Donald Trump about how they faked the assassination attent ion, put it on CBS , where she's doing and she's taking over CNN now . So I think and she's now isolated herself on the sixth floor of CBS where she can no longer see the staff and they cannot approach her. Is that true? That is correct. And she is guarded by guards. What? Yes. Where did you hear this? This is in the news. She is she's in a bunker like dictating the PO during nine eleven except it's Barry Weiss at CNN surrounded by guards and no one can and it's like it's like a militarized zone . She's in a militarized zone . Barry in the bunker and Ellis on at the gates . Yeah , is this real? She's unbelievable. By the way, I like her more now and she hates me and that's sad. Why's she hate you? Well, you know, I've said things, but here's the thing I like her more than ever. Did she start hating you after your hilarious impression? She's turned on me , she turned on me a while ago. It turned on you how? She's texted me and was like, You're part of a world in which people are anti Semitic. And I'm like, Well, what am I, what? What am I doing? And she's like, You're part of this thing. And I was like, well , that's like what am I why am I ? What is this guilt by association? I don't like this. Part of a thing that's anti monit oric. Yeah, like, you're part of a cultural space of anti Semitism. I'm like, so she 's connecting you to antii sem connecting to all these different people because if the thing that she hated and the thing that she crusaded against was this whole idea that like she's applying the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is like , if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody, you endorse every one of their views. Or if you question something like Israel, you hate Israel, or you hate Jewish people, which is insane. Right. And that was I thought she was the one who was like, we should have nuance on the transition. What happened to that ? What happened to being able to question gender ideology and all these things? Like why aren't we, where's the nuance? Where's the, why aren't we holding space for nuance , Barr CBS news boss Barry Weiss poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah, this is what he just said, right? Yeah, I saw that. But she's living her best life as people would say, this is what she was meant to do . And when someone steps into their truth, I support them and she has stepped into her truth. She's exactly where she should be in a bunker guarded by the military while she systematically destroys CBS . She's stepping into her truth. This is what she was there. She was put there to destroy it . She was obviously put there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make it work. She was put there to just destroy it . And she's doing it. Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that they were going to get? I don't think they can I think they said, listen, let's just put her in there and see what happens because who cares? Like the it's like legacy media institutions are dying . They're not turning around no one's going back to watching the evening news and they know that. These are billionaires, not they're idiots. The Ellisons are not dumb. They don't they said, let's have a little fun while this thing goes . It says she took the helm of the struggling organization last month with a mandate to shake it up following David Ellison led Skydance takeover of CBS parent company, Paramount in twenty twenty four, Paramount Skydance bought Weiss's online outlet the free press for a cool hundred and fifty million as she became editor in chief of CBS News. Yeah . That's a lot of money for the free press. Well, no because if you look at the podcast writings, it was you and then she was number two. Wow . So that's why. No, she would get seven thousand YouTube views . And it seems high. It certainly seems like a lot, but you know, when you take into account her cultural impact , it's interesting because like when it came to her like pushing against woke ideology that had infected the New York Times, she seemed really reasonable. And there's this very famous clip of her talking to Brian Stelter, where she talks about the world gone crazy. Remember that the world gone mad ? Yes. Well, she's like very brilliantly lays out why if this is what you're saying, you know , when people are saying that silence is violence and not actual violence is violence. Gone mad. Right. And she lays these all out. It's so brilliant. Well, there's got to be room for nuance. Like october seventh was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this. However , you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not number one perpetrator, you could call it I call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want. Doesn't matter. It's a campaign of mass murder where a lot of people have died, civilians have died, many children have died, people that are innocent have died. And they're doing they're starting to do something similar in southern Lebanon . And they're now talking about Turkey . by Going, the way, Turkey also is a Turkey's a native fucking country . So the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli government or Israel or our relationship with Israel or the money makes you antisemitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender . She fought against that manician good and evil, black and white , she fought against it. And she was right . She was correct to say you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas and when should they be able to make a determination about how they want to live their life? And like when is it appropriate for people to call , you know, to designate between a protest and a legitimate and a riot and the silence is violence and all of that stuff . She had pretty logical opinions on all that stuff. But when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue. No, she is all in for Israel. And that's fine. That's her choice and total and I get it , but it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, The president's great because we're going to Iran because the president's great. He's the greatest leader of all time. And then he goes, well, this didn't work out like we thought we're going to make a deal and we're going to try to, you know, and then Mark Lewvin goes , this is a failure . This is a blunder, this is a strategic thing. And it's like for who ? Is it for us? It's not a failure for like it's clearly a failure for us, but like it seems like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally , globally, but certainly regionally . So who's it a failure for? And that's a f air question. And I think it's like there's you've got to be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered as someone who's like a conspiracy mongering anti Semit, whiches is like very there's a scroup of people that are , but a lot of people just want sanity and this is not this is not sane. And just like you were talking about with the banks forcing that shit down people's throats that 's gonna make them Yeah . Yes. Same thing. Nobody understands blowback. Like the CIA term blowback when you go into a country, kill everyone, and they go you like us, right? They go, no , not really . We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall. We're going to build a mall. They go, No, we're going to we're going to bomb you and try to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you shut down conversations and and in order to shut people up, you got to pay them or kill them . That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're going to talk. They're in if you don't if you limit that they're going to get angrier and the blowback is going to be intense . Well said, yeah. Yeah, I mean that's entirely accurate. CBS News, I'll go on. That's the thing. I have her beef with her. I like her. I like it. She's in a bunker. I will go on to that show. I'm there. The things that I thought was hilarious, it was some fake story was that they were going to bring me on for sixty minutes. Everyone keeps saying that I texted you about it. I'm like, are you doing sixty minutes? I thought that was wild, but why not? I mean, what, you know , half the staff is left. One of that guy, that guy Bill Pelley just got out. Yeah . She got out and then she's got that doco , whatever his name is in the evening news crying like a psychopath. Who's that? He's the guy who does the CBS Evening News and his first his first episode he's in Miami and he's crying can, you get that up? It's unbelievable. He's a cracker of the news. Why is he crying? He's crying because he's he starts talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable . This is the guy who was selected run the CBS Evening News to be the anchor of the CBS Evening News . And like he does this thing where he's in Miami and they take him out of the chair because they want to start she shaking it up. Barry' shsaking it up. So instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to like visit his childhood places and he starts sobbing in a I forget it was like a restaurant or something. Jamie you can find it crying for some reason he's crying in like a restaurant or he started he gets like choked up and it's deeply uncomfortable and it's really weird and he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood . It's like unbelievable. This is the guy . Embarrassing first day CBS EV news savage by staff. It's state TV . Whoa. A conversation with one of his handlers during an ad break. Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony, how do you say his name? Doc Docupol, DocuPul . We did it at Barry's request and because CBS News did something right on this . I wish she had him crying. I wish you had him in his in that restaurant . So his Marco Marco Rubio's moment is what he's talking about. No he's, in Miami and Docopol, yeah, I mean, yeah, this is psychotic. If the watch so he just keeps crying . Maybe that's his thing. You know, like George Hamilton is tan all the time. He's crying , he's talking about yeah, look at this . Look at this. This is the anchor of the CBS evening news. So he's being interviewed. Yeah, can we listen to this? I can't Facebook's weird damn. Doesn't let me control the player goes to show up . Can we get a second here? Get a ticket from the beginning so I know what he's crying about? What? It makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean anything would catch it. You know , I don't even think this is your favorite place in the world. Why? Why South Florida and Miami? What? It makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean anything would catch it. You know , 'cause you only have one child hood, right? So let me get a second . I can relate. This is home. People will to help people understand why I have such a reaction . Florida is where I grew up We didn't get a lot of sleep. My grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins . And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood, but we left because my father got in some trouble with business. It's like we laugh about it now, but he was a drug dealer . But he was a drug dealer. He went to jail. It's kind of a ha thing that we say now, but the reason it's so emotional for me is because I feel like I'm laughing. It's kind of a ha ving. He's this head of the CBS evening news, he's the anchor of the CBS evening news . This is what drives everyone so crazy about the world how fake everything is . That's the guy . That's the best guy for the job . This is when I grew up, you would go see Whitney Houston and go fuck she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if she smokes crack? She deserves it . You watch this and it drives you insane. You go, this guy's crying, his father's a drug dealer . This is who's the best guy for the drug. He's gonna have to report on death, like murder war , famine , whatever and he's crying in a fucking in some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father. So they had to leave Miami . No one believes anything's real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world. People go, that's the guy . That's the anchor of the CBS Evening News. It's crazy. This episode is brought to you by Takovas. All right, guys. If you want boots that are made right, you got chetcka out to COVID. Their western boots are sturdy and clearly built to last, but really sharp and premium too. 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Let's find out what his exact complaints were. Yeah, let's find out I don't know what they were, but you know , Barry chairs the meetings there and really goes on and embarrasses herself and on the calls and stuff has no idea what she's talking about. And so here it is. Following his criticism , news editor Barry Weiss, sixty minutes executive producer Nick Bilton at a staff meeting. Pelley was fired by CBS News. What did he say ? When CBS fired Pelley, Bilton wrote a cover letter, which obtained by the New York Times, Bilton stated as follows antipathy antipathy to the future of the show has come through loud and clear and we have I have heard you therefore write on behalf of CBS News Inc. to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause effective immediately. Next day Weiss said, I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect . Okay so what did he say Pelly accused the new CBS leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political story and to include assertions that were not verified instructions he says he ignored. The collapse of values at the top has become untenable. The leadership at sixty minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold dear are gone, and so I must leave as well . Wonder what exactly they meant though by the falsehoods in a political story and including assertions that were not verified ? Well here it is . It says the story CBS intervened on was a report about the twenty twenty six protests in Minnesota and the falsehood CBS asked for was to describe protester Renee Good as driving her car toward the officer who killed her, which Pelle said contradicts video evidence of the event. That's correct. It seems to me that he was the lady was trying to turn the car away from him , but it did brush up against the guy , which is enough for him to decide the killer. Well, I know but it wasn't it was not she was trying to run him over. No, and I think it looked but however that guy had been dragged by a car very recently . So he's probably filled with PTSD. He almost died. I think he got dragged like three hundred three hundred yards rather. I think it's fair to ask three hundred feet. Yeah, but I think it's also fair to ask at this point, like, what is the media ? Like what is the media? Like older respective Arry Wise, but like, so it was a heavily inflated price for the for her blog that she sold and YouTube channel, whatever. It's clearly there's clearly a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own all of these companies and we're asked to believe that she's the most qualified for the job, even though she's never ran in newsrooms. She didn't work her way up the rank. She's an op ed columnist, an opinion writer, and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense. We said it before. And then she points hires this guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami about his dad. And it's like, who the hell's that guy? So I think it's fair to ask like , do we have any trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left and like people that work there are leaving and saying I'm being asked to insert things into this? It isn't true. Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car towards the off icer. That's not that's just not technically correct. Right . It seems like she was steering away. Why would they want to say that's not correct when you could just see it in a video? Like if you were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing you would want to do is contradict something that's obviously verifiable . So that would for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility because that's essentially what it's doing. It's such a short term play. Yes, but I'll tell you exactly why. Okay . Because their main demographic is seventy year olds who are having strokes on their couch . They're not verifying this. They're not. They have a very old audience that is not online savvy. They're not looking at many angles. They're have cataracts and they're hearing this and it allows them to dismiss it as , well, she did the wrong , she drove justifiable shooting. Yeah, I don't think they're but somebody's motivating them to do that for those shoots. Yeah. Why? Yeah, well because she's in the tank for Trump because Trump promised or maybe didn't promise, but like whatever he's useful in the sense that he's going to go in and topple the regime in Iran. He's going to sue all these you know, or he's going to bring Harvard College to heal for whatever the hell they did . And you know she believes that and again, a lot of this is just connected to her view that you know, Israel's interests are always one hundred percent concurrent with America's and Trump gets that and he understands that. So she's in the tank for Trump, which by the way, if Biden would have invaded Iran, she would have started protecting him. It doesn't seem like it's she doesn't care that much about a ton of issues. It seems to be that this is her big issue. That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people. Like how much influence do they ever really have on this country? That's what creeps people out because I think no one even really considered it before october seventh. It wasn't I mean, I'm sure people considered it. Nick Fuentos considered it. It wasn't like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people. Right. It wasn't until we started realizing first of all, it was APAC . It was the weirdness of the New York City Mayoral race . Yeah, of course. Very weird, where they were all like, We're going to visit Israel. Like what? Well, it's also in direct opposition to the stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair the United States and to make it great and to elevate it and to focus on the United States and to not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge, very popular plank of his platform and to not waste money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in these unwinnable wars . And there was such a gaslighting campaign. The Secretary of State came out after the Iran warn goes, well Israel is going to attack him anyway and our bases we're going to be vulnerable. So we had to join. And then he went no, I didn't mean that . I didn't really mean that. We're partners. We both think it's a great idea. And there was tremendous pressure on him to do this. Yeah . And, you know, it hasn't worked. And it's it's clearly not in the interest of the United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran. Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is. Lots of, you know , people from all walks of life don't believe it, but there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot of money and that are incredibly powerful and they are really pushing this . They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes . Empty like or unconventional weapons like crazy bombing campaigns. They're pushing troops on the ground . They don't care what it takes. Iran has to be either completely destroyed or it's just got to be a chaos zone . But for the regional ambitions of Israel, they can't it can't exist . So I mean, again, not in a paranoid conspirator wayial because I don't like the victim stuff either. There's a bunch of people in America being like , I can't get ahead because Jewish people are successful. I think that's a stupid road to go down. That's a victim road. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it when gay people do it or anyone, any group of people I hate when they drench themselves in victimhood. I think when you become a victim, you lose autonomy over your life. It's insane. But I do think there's a fair there's a fair question to ask about what is, you know , what is the motive of certain massive big donors is the motive the strength and prosperity of America or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel? That's a fair question . Yeah . And like, what about the rest of the world ? Like how much are we putting ourselves at odds with the rest of the world? Indescribably the worst PR ever . And you know, people cannot ify , you know, you've got to be a very ideological person to justify , you know, southern Lebanon , Gaza, Iran, perhaps Turkey. This is starting to feel like like this is a friend you have who you make excuses for for a certain amount of time. And then your wife eventually goes, they're not allowed here. You can't go out with them. They're a problem . They have a fucked up home life . I know they're fun. I know you share values . I know they enjoy each other, you know each other for a long time , but here's the deal. They're not coming to the house and it can't be around the kids because , you know, that's what it's coming down to. It was even worse than that. The thing that drives me crazy is the negotiators. When they get negotiated , then they wind up whacking them. They kill all the negotiators. Stop stop killing the negotiators. Yeah. And stop bombing Lebanon. Is this Iran deal gonna work? Is it going to work ? You know , stop bombing Lebanon. I think we're at odds now. We're in the last two years, we are now '.s It we're at odds with Israel for the first time where Trump is really at odds with them and he's had enough. And I think he is starting to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war . And I think on the other side and that's and and Vance , again, for all the disagreements I might have with Vance about certain things , he He is the one of the only people in that administration who does push against the continuation of this war , which is why a lot of those neoconservative donors try to destroy him because of that. I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of things I don't like about him, but there's a lot of things I think are good about him. I think there's and it's not like I don't like about him per se , I worry about , you know, some his relationships. How many of these relationships you think are like necessary for survival? I'm sure all of them are. And that doesn't mean they, but they still need to be criticized and looked at. Oh yeah, they say one hundred percent not justifying it at all but I'm totally I have a feeling like no completely autonomous person is ever gonna make it through that maze. Never , never. But I think the job is you turn the heat up enough where maybe if everyone's going to do ten horrible things they do two . Right . So I think it's it's certainly the job of anyone who looks at this stuff to look at it and go, yeah, what is going on ? What is happening ? But I will say for all of the tech, you know, things that I find a little, you know, it's a little like what I do I do think that to his credit , he's the only one in there and you can tell and it's not that I have some inside knowledge . They're only attacked. He's being attacked the most by the people that want the war to continue. Yeah. And I think he knows his political amb itions will be completely destroyed by a continuation of this war . So I look at all these people not as human beings, even though they are human beings, but I look at them as like they're running the show, they're running the country. So they all have ambitions and it's hard to know their hearts or heads or how they feel from one day to the next . It's very difficult. So I think when you look at them, you look at them and you go, yeah, he's a he's calculated and ambitious, but he also is the one being attacked by people that want the war to continue . Tucker Carlson, who again, I have agreements with Tucker, I have disagreements with Tucker , he the attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Meghan Kelly are wild because of this issue it's not a myriad of issues. It's this issue . Yeah, undoubtedly . And it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent. It's so transparent and the whole world is seeing it play out. And it's the amount of gaslighting that you have to keep pumping . Yeah, it's it's not sustainable. Well, to say that this was not in the interest this was in America's interest. You have to do you have to you have to jump around logically so much . Well this is also the problem with the justification of what happened in Gaza when people will try to say Israel, like Gad was saying they're doing the best they can. Like look at the drone footage. Fly over that. If that's the best you can do, that's craz y. Like it's better, is that better than a nuke? Because I don't think it is. It's like it's inhumane. It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread out over two years instead of one black. It's inhumane, it's evil. It's children being killed. It's mothers being killed in front of their children. And by the way, october seventh was inhumane, but I shouldn't have to keep doing that. I shouldn't have to do that. But it's also october seventh. You know, the people that got killed, those were the ravers, right? Right. So those are the people that were anti Netanyahu. Those are not the people that were also killed, I think, probably a lot of like mud, they dragged people out of their houses. They killed a ton of hope people that were situation there. Like Like it's also like why did it take so long to respond to that? Well, this is another very interesting, very important question . Yeah , because there's a lot of people that say it's a state the size of New Jersey and the security failures are they're pretty wild and there hasn't been a real investigation into them and Netanyahu's kind of prevented that and they've kind of made it illegal to question that in Israel. Like people were like writing about that and going, what the hell's going on? But like illegal? Well, there was, they've made a law and you can look this up about things like this in Israel because during wartime, they haven't had an elect. They had an election ? No, since october seventh? No , right? Right. They haven't had an election because of the war, right? Right. And the Ukraine hasn't had an elect. Nobody's had an elect. So if I'm living in a country and the leader of my country just wants to be in a war forever , there's no democracy. Well, you know, Clinton said that. Clinton said that about Netanyahu. He said he wants to maintain a war. I mean, he said it openly in an interview. Right. And then he maintained power. And then a nice chubby intern showed up . Oh, I wish. And I know I could go back all the internet and all these busy bodies was around. He was the first guy to go viral. So I mean, that's the thing. You don't have elections, you don't have people looking into things. And by the way, that's not the only thing that should be looked into look into but look at everything . Right. Where are the nine hundred and eleven docs? What happened? Can we know? Why can't we know anything ? Why can't we know anything ? Yeah Yeah , you know ? This is all of it. It's like release all we're all adults, release it. Let's see what happened. But I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure no one did anything naughty. I think this is all kind of breaking though. And I think there's one of the breaking one of the things that happening with AI is like all these things that they are protecting us from they're going we're going to find out that stuff. Well here's the thing. I mean, I met you in twenty nineteen . The first time I met you was twenty eighteen. Big Jay Okerson was opening for you in Toronto. Oh wow . Yeah , but then I met you in twenty nineteen and that's what six years ago, seven years ago . They were crack s of it breaking then, but almost invisible . Like you couldn't see them now you have fallen like huge sinkholes opening the reality that most people have accepted for their entire life. Yes . Big. Yeah, big , big . And you see like this Tulsi Gabbard, this press release that she did, this conference where she's talking about Faux didn't yeah, all that. We're getting information now getting information that let us know that the entire system has been completely corrupt ed for a long, fucking very long time. Very long. And it won't survive. It clearly can't survive the way we're in , is it forty trillion dollars worth of debt? It's close, right? It was at thirty nine. No one thinks that's getting paid back. Yeah, who we owe it to? Tell him to go fuck off. Right . So we have a lot of is China . But like no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar is the world's reserve currency seems to have a limited amount of time. I don't know, but this is what's discussed. No, I mean, how does the system survive this level of information? People are not going to you think that this whole race to AI, this like Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now , like the future of whatever the United States is kind of depends on us getting there first. Right? I think part of it if we don't get there first, then it's probably a rap. If you really thought about it, like if China gets there first if control of resources and everything shut off sure. Like whatever how if it's weap onized my worry is that in the guise of fighting China, we're going to become China . You know, so I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially having like saying palancer should merge all these different government databases . So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data all merges. And who's doing that? Palancer. So you go, and then they go, well, China's got a credit score. Well, what the hell is that? What the hell's this? What? So when Vance comes out and goes, I'm worried about a credit score. It's like, okay, hey buddy, me too . What the hell's gas . So it's a little bit of gaslighting in that sense too. They're like if China gets all this stuff, you're all going to we lose and you go, okay. So it's almost like China will enslave you. Let us do it first. Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. That's right. Everyone's going to be on their best behavior. We're going to be watching them. You heard that quote. Yeah. Everyone's going to be on their best behavior. This is what these world economic people like that , they don't have an interest in you owning a house or farming land or starting a business or they don't have any interest in that. It does not serve them at all. It did for a while , but they're economic projection is that that's not going to be possible for you . So what they're going to do, they're building bunkers, they're hoarding all the wealth . And they're, you know, heavily invested in all this and AI one of the reasons I think that we have to try to deal with Iran is all this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups , it props up all the AI, a lot of it. A lot of that money is coming from Qatar and the UAE and they're and armed basis getting is blown off the earth in those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war. And they're a huge financier of American startups and some AI startups . So like one thing that I wonder about all of this is just how much this just does seem now to be a high level chess game about the future and what is and isn't possible . But the only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island. That gives the Romanian people are really excited. They're really excited. I believe they burned the Prime Minister's house of the president or whoever, they would just start lighting houses on fire. And that's coming, by the way, they just did it in Belfast . That's coming . People starting to light things on fire's coming . That's coming. I'm not calling for it. I'm not saying it's good , but it's coming because voting become fake . No one cares . You know, people on threads murmur, murmur . It's fake . It's fake . It's so obvious. It's fake . Ax murmur it's all fake . So the only and you know what? Again, I'm not calling for it. It's bad, but fire's real . If you ask the people at Palesa Malibu and whatever RP, like the Palace, stupid mall, I liked it. But this is real. People are going to start realizing that this all this technology has just been set up to give you this idea that you have some effect and all the while Jared and Ivanka just go by an island . That's what's happening . But maybe it's fine. Have you gotten any invites to any bunkers? No . No no,. They're not . I think you'd feel differently if you did . I don't know. I wouldn't know you've had invites to do interesting things. I've had invites to Teal, and I've said no because I think, you know , he'd probably sit me down and go, listen to me, you fat fuck, you're gonna shut your mouth . And I'd sit there and I'd go no, I think it's, I think if they were going to invite me, someone goes, This is the guy who dressed up as Christie No's husband with fake tits . And they go we can't have a mirror. But by the way, absolutely, absolutely. If somebody said to me, a few people are gonna survive and it's just gonna be you and these people and everybody else is gonna die , it's tough. How fun would it be though? Is it fun ? Is it fun if the whole world dies ? And I'm just sitting and having dinner with Jaddie Vance and his wife . I mean, is that the with Peter Teal, me and Usha and Jade just eaten steak? Yeah, I mean, is that, is that what we want? I don't know. Probably not. Probably not. What's the best case scenario? The best case scenario is a new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness and spirituality and a healthy attachment to technology and religion and you people know, 's people's , you know, a common kind of a sense of morality and together and love for community that's not enforced by governments, corporations and armies ? Hm . I'm not betting on that, but that would be good . Well, there's a battle, right? Yeah, there is a battle. It's not like one side is clearly going to win. We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty , but humans today way better at being people, way kinder and nicer despite all our problems than we have ever been in the past . Yeah society is generally at least in first world countries safer than it's ever been in the past. Yeah . And it's also there's more opportunity to do things now because of technology that's ever existed before. So it's not worse , but it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like if you had to choose between living today the way we're living now or living in nineteen seventy six in San Francisco. I'd be like, go fuck yourself. I don't want shitty brakes and live with these fucking people that don't know anything 'cause no one has the internet. Fuck that. Yeah. You're better off living today. The communication you would go see Janice Choplin and you'd be smoking weed and a burrito would be fifty cents and then you would go into a park and fuck and then die And it might not be as bad as one thinks. And who knows? I didn't live during that time. So I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You get stabbed, whatever. Like New York was more culturally interesting when there was crime. I'm against there being crime because New York couldn't have existed it can't be nineteen eighty three in New York now. Times Square is a mall. Timesquare right now is a TGI Friday . But sure used to to be be chaos chaos, but it can't be chaos forever. But again , in that city, do you get the Ramones? Do you get right? All of that stuff probably not? No. Probably not. No, you need some chaos for art for sure. You don't get chaos. You don't get chaos from TGI Fridays. You don't need that kind of chaos. But I do think that there's a time for certain things and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward, meaning like it would be crazy to think about New York in the eight today . Like no one's built for that life today. No one's even built for that. Like one of the reasons that wars don't work anymore is not built for it. When it built it used to be built for war, people used to be built for war and they were built to like just be like, yeah, somebody calls me and I just go die. You know, there's like a petition on the door and it's like report here we're going to war. People are built for nobody's built for that now. People file complaints with door dash. I file complaints. nineteen eighty one Rolling Stone magazine called West forty second Street located in the heart of Times Square as the sleaziest block in America. Yeah . Now it's probably prime real estate. Yeah, I mean, listen , there's there's parts of it that are, you know, it's all prime real estate there . Whether people like it or not, it's not necessarily, you know, better it's better because it's safer, but it's worse because it's safer Nothing's all one thing . Nothing's all one thing. There's still great art there. There's still great music and comedy and theater and all that stuff. Is it as good as it was? No , no . But again, it's just because the people that are doing it are amazing and they're talented. But like culture is so decentralized now and fractious, it's nothing can stay cool Everything that popped, you know, what's depressing me about New York is it's become like it's become a place where people just go on Instagram and post a you know, when you used to go to dinner in New York City you would eat French food or food that you could never make at home. You've never even seen. You didn't hear it. They would treat you like shit. It was fun. Now you go to these places because Taylor Swift went there. You have like they just do like a high end version of like a Totino's pizza roll. They put truffle oil on it. Here's a French d ip, here's a burger, people with their burger. It's just a basic bitch mall city now. That's really what it's become. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths there making lots of money and good for them , but it's becoming a suburban city. It's a city where people talk about chicken salad. It's a city where people go to Wegman's. It's just a different city. It's pilates and toddlers. It's all great. It's fine. I don't want to see people getting shanked, but it's not what it was. It's just not what it was. It doesn't have that same magic and nothing does it does nothing really does and it won't come back No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know if that's good or bad. If I live there, I mean who, knows what the fuck 's gonna happen now with Mom Donny as mayor? I mean, that weirdness where what is that guy's name? Ken Griffin, the guy who's billionaire guy's in front of his apartment? Yeah. Billionaire guy lives here. He's got so much money. We're going to take it. Well, they don't tax it. Well, here's the thing. It's all fake, it's all fake. Mom Donny's Trump. He's smart, he's sharp, he's good looking and young. He just all crap. It's YouTube. It's like, look, billionaire guy. Ken Griffin is a palm Beach building a house worth a billion dollars. You're not going to do anything to Ken Griffin. You're a city employee . The mayor is fake. Like it's like he'll raise taxes maybe if he can get it done but he can't. It'll get dirty or crime will go up or it won't. It's kind of whatever it's just not, you know, I think it's not it's it's more just the corporations rule and guys like him it,'s like Bernie Sanders. He's the version of the socialist you get. What does it even mean? He has a bunch of military industrial complex jobs in Vermont , sweetheart of a man but has not gotten one goddamn thing for thirty years worth billions, has three hundred million has the C themlinton sandbag him because they're working for God only knows who, the Goldman Sachs and the Devil and he goes and says, Hillary's great, they're all great. It's all great. The system's fine. I lost. They get sandbagged like twice . And he doesn't and he doesn't burn it to the ground. He won't burn it to the ground because that's the version of a socialist you get in America. I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying like that's clearly this is you throw the bone to placate someone. It's also they're playing a game and his game is to stay relevant to keep being a politician, keeping a senator from Vermont . You stay there forever. Everybody loves you, Ben and Jerry's Vermont is a lily white state of Frozen people. Of frozen people and it's just a bunch of lesbians. And I think Alec Baldwin now 'cause he shot someone. Does he live there now? I think he does, but I don't know. And I like him. Shout out to him. We've all moved on . But I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he has to do to please that demographic of people . What do you think happens in twenty twenty eight I think I think the donors want Rubio, but Rubio's kind of a buffoon. Why do they want Rubio? Because he's not Vance is more isolationist than Rubio. And I think Vance is more in league with the tech people, whereas Rubio