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Joe Rogan, Experience. Tin my day, Joe Rogie podcast by night. All day ? Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping let it going. Hey dude. Good to see you, man. Yeah, Good to see you. What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is that what's going on? Thatice. Yeah Nice. That's fun. My friend Cam just got a gold tooth and I was giving him a hard time, but then I was like, Damn, I think I want one. Oh ye, you got to get one, they it get a gold tooth I have a c one of my I had a root canal, I've got a cap on one of them I think I'm gonna swap it out for a goldtooth. Do it Do it, fuck. Yeah It's. I got one of back here somewhere. It's just that little like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen. I know. it's just a little little outcasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's crraacking, brother? How you doing I'm I'm good, man. I'm uh It Stoke to be here see you? Stoke does have you here. Yeah, man. should I wish I was staying longer now we'll make the best of How long you stay and? how long are you in town for? I'm leaving after rightight after this? After you. Yeah whereere you headed Back home LA. My son is getting married. Oh. Congratulations. Thanks, thanks, which is such a trip, dude You know, like he's twenty nine And he's getting married and I'm just I've been kind of tripping out on that like, dude where the fuck didid that time A go right And like I'm so fucking happy for him. that He's been seeing the squirrel for seven years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean? Like R He knows and they' they've been Basically they've been married. You know they're just making it official now And I'm just so happy for them. I'm like, I' I tell them all the time. like so happy for you, dude, like You you know, he you You use some patience and some love and like mix it all around and put some time in there And you know shits like your your survival rate is going to be way better way better and that makes me really happy. And your happiness right. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you you've had such a fucking crazy chaotic life. He's by like slow down. give me a fucking yard and a pick and fence and whoa. tootally, totally. That's why like in, you know, in, you know, in the drift of everything. Yeah really surprised and I'm really happy he just like the brakes That's awesome. like make sure that what he's doing is real shit. Yeah, I mean, especially in LA with a rock star dad, it's like there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go Well you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles. Dude. So easy.ight? Because everybody else is doing it too. You're like, hey, I guess we're doing math. Oh fucking just I I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole And they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason. and then next thing, you know, they're all strung out and it's like LA is the hub of them Yeah There's so much of that going on in LA Yeah. And if you are have any sort of That sort of shit magnet attached to you. Yeah you know the shady friends and the most weird circles you just kind of S and all of a sudden You're just fucking Oh I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people. likeike that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking cook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find like sane balanced people that Yeahah, you know? Yeah They have their shit together. It's like it's almost impossible. So like you just compomparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around. and You're the fucking drummer in Motley Cw. I mean, you're supposed to be normal. What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of Literally a se of human beings singing along to your music Nobody can understand that. I know, man. Yeah, they've and yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. like I put them to workout on tour You know, just so we could hang out and spend time You're like You know get them a radio, all of a sudden they're part One of my sons is part of the lighting crew, helping those guys My other son is like, all he's all he wants to know about is like, Dad I want to be in charge of all the after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm gonna hit all the chicks. And like my son is out there just just stack of passes. come on back afterwards. come on back. L then watching him like Just just running it, right It's just like brings teer to my eye man. That's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, like how much of a dream does it feel I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre You, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They don't want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and then you're looking back on it, like how Fucking surreal does it all feel It's, dude, I pinch myself still Daily literally and u I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here I'm lucky I get to do this I always say to people like There's there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's Some luck Talent Ting of things that and when those things kind of all line up and it happens for you just happens at fucking supersonic speeds were Like a lot of it's a fucking blur. Like a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else like remind you're like, o shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like about crazy timimes. Yeah Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time like Hanging on. Right. fuck Here we go Did you get a chance like when you were coming up to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody give you advice on how to handle things? likeike what it's how weird it's going to be No I'm trying to think of any sort of a tour kind of dude on like how to survive the shit L no, Pull Keith Richards aside and say, Hey man, how about a few tips? How should do this?' still here I saw them at Cota at the Circuit of the Americas a couple of years back. Yeah. They were fucking incredible, man. Inredible. Insane. They're like, what is how old is Keith? Dude. Are they like eighty? He's gotta be. Mick is like eighty. B Mick is moving around and dancing and singing. 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This is on Halloween, I forget what fucking year some stadium, and I think it was Toronto We got to open for them And we're so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me Do this anyyway, we play we play our show back in the in dressing room afterfter we're done The Stonees tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy I was like, yeah, it goes he goes Mick and Bron and Keef would like to see you. And I was like Grad. I fucking head over there and dude, this is A twenty minutes before they to go on. I go into their their world and they got they bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up just slinging fucking drinks Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude They were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty like He fucking right Falling over with their guitars. twenty minutes before they go on stage. I'm like How are these guys gonna fuck? There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. There's no way. No fucking way. And all of a sudden we took a couple of photos and it was like, let's go to the stage and I'm like, oh, I got to see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there fucking lights go out Boom, they fucking I think they started with Star Me Up. on up Bana and gotot and It was like a switch flipped All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money Like one hundred percent fucking rocking out. I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just they're masters of the controls. They're like, Yeah, okay. I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go. likeike it's okay. I think some of guys that was a crazy level I wish I saw that I could barely talk. And then they went up there and fucking bpped it. I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a wild bull. you know? just wear a that's where some guys like to do it. I mean and rock I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. Yeah you know, You want to see something fucking inspirational. I'm going show you something. crazy. Always. This is Have you seen Jamie, have you seen Rick Springfield lately I did just see him and I was like, whoa, I'm gonna send you a video and it's gonna blow you away literally bananas This is Rick Springfield. fucking like seventy six years old. Okaykay. seventy six. seventy six. seventy six And he's singing Jesse's girl like he just wrote it Any ph Yeah. P startarted for put the headphones on. Bro put the headphones on it and back this up from the beginning. Well I just sent to you on Instagram. He's Click on the other link then the one that I send you on Instagram. because You can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible. likeike he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't understand it. He looks like a thirty year old guy. Yeah. And he's singing the song like he just wrote it Bro seventy six Crazy bark amazing man. Amazing. That's fucking inspirational Inspiration. Bro. seventy six years old and passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it. Yeah, totally. Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield. Yeah, good job, bro.uck j Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. I I've been sending that to everybody in my Fuck yeah. that is I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa. A lot of people in their seventy six are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on fucking crushing life. de I love it. I love it. That's gonna That's gonna be me still ten years Yeah. Oh yeah. Rockking shit. Well, I remember in the eighties, there were no old rock stars. Like no one was out there touring. That was an old rock star. You're right. You're right. And then the Stones released the new album, I think it was like eighty eight or eight eighty nine And everybody was like, wow, they're gonna tour again. It was almost like, areren't they done with this? Like they're older now. Yeah. And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while. Now it's not and people like, why are we retiring? Like why? whyy would I stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do? Yeah, that you love to do. Yeah. Now let me stop doing that. It was like a thing with hip hip hop artists too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. Yeah It's like it was like a young guysy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too and people realize like, o, these guys are fucking Like I saw R DMC went on or excuse me public enemy went on with I think it was I think it was Bruce Springstein. I think Bruce Springstein had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes. They're killing it They're still getting after it. That's the best, man. You got to love that. And I think that research call it a resurgence or just that style of like There's certain things that were that were really great that have you know stood the test of time. and I And I really think that The way shit is now, manen There is too fucking much. Like there's too much music Spotify releases like three hundred fucking thousand songs a day. Really Who the fuck is listening to all this music, dude. I'm in the business and if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up So I just, I think that uh excess of It's just static and it's really bllown a hole through for you know original stuff, you know, reallyally good stuff because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now I just I think that It's it's been a a cool progression that's that's sort of Fuel that I't know I'm making sense. I'm kind of No, you'reaking sense. You know what I'm trying to say? there's so much static now that the sort of the somethingomet has to be undeniable to breakth through. The authentic still fucking hulls water Yeah big time and you know. Well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it holy shit. Yeah. There's always going to be something that's exceptional. but I do agree. It's impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me ono it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy? Yeah then had your friend not turned you onto that You Never fucking know. Well, there's no real radio anymore. No. Right. So how do you find out? When I was a kid when I was in high school, like a new Motley Cw song came out, it was on the fucking radio. Yeah You knew. All right, the new album's out. Let's go get the new album Yeah. And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV, MTV came along Oh, the music video' out. the album's out But now it's like Anyone can just put stuff up You know, which is great. Yeah, which is also It's Look, it' it's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. Yeah. more people that are making music, which is awesome. But like It's the same thing with movies. Cagine you had to watch every movie ever made? Youd have to be a million years old we never finish Exactly. Sun no Powers in the day. Yeah. It is the same It's the same musically What's happening musically? that's happening with everything entertainment. films television shows There was An abundance of like it's just too How did How do people people got these, you know up S a TV packages where they've got subscriptions four thousand different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what what the fuck is happening here everybody? We got to like Peel it back a little bit, makeake it a little easier here. Well there's so many many options. It's almost like dating apps, right? Like if someone if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open be like swipe who's next? Yeah. Like people get they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's also the same thing with movies and TV shows. Yeah because if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for three seconds, you're like, fuck this movie What else is on B bit, you know, Okaykay, try this one. And you watch that for ten minutes. not buck this. I would like to see their numbers of like how long people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watched the movie to the end. Sure. I bet now it's like twenty percent Oh dude. if that. I'll bet yeah. I'm just gonna say a little bit more. If that. Yeah. everybody it's short attention span life right now. It's very sery bad for you. Yeah. Sometimes you got to just take something in. and that affects the people who create the stuff because you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six year olds here. and if my shit isn't banging within the first whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whver you' is If it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds. You're next. N. Exactly when that's just the world we're in. so that and that affects people who make the the stuff because They they really got to put best shit up front quick or else you're going to lose everybody. one hundred percent. And that's that sucks Yeah sucks They don't have to give into that. Noobody's got time for for suspense or Yeah you know fuck that. This summer, the cup is taking over the US. and only Draft Kings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. swweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. New Draft Kings customers sign up with Code Rogan, spend five bucks to get two hundred in rewards within twenty one days. That's Code Rogan in partnership with Draft Kings, The crrown is yours. 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Predictions offer Void in New York ends june twenty eighth Terms at DKNG dot co slash audio Well, think about some of the songs from the past that would never pass Mustard today that are just amazing classics, like whole lot of love So a whole lot of love. you have a minute and a half fuck sounds with symbols before it comes back to this insane guitar solo. Yeah, right? Yeah rightike It's like the most bizarre song ever. Yeah. kindind of drum soloy, kind of Yeah And And classically Freebird, when Leonard Skinnard released Freebird, they're like, no, no no, this song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a seven minute song. You got it This is never going fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world. and perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. Right, Right. You know Yeah. Freebird, when that dude gets going you see it live and everybody's f whole fucking place is going off. the greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race and their record company was like, it's too long Yeah. People don't have any attention span for this guys. God, even back then people were fucking hating. Well, it's always the people that are the money people. because all they give a fuck about is money. and you're in the creative side of it and the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it and they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a Rolls Royce. You're like, come on, suck that dick Let's go. And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking nickelback over here and this guy over there and there's always a new band they can push and pimp Yeah And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice because they advice their advice is based on making money. Yeah. Yeah And for that and for that reason When we were on electro records, They were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label. That's ever awes. We allowed them once and he came in and started making like making changes or adggusting edits and stuff We're like, O Yeah. You'll get it when it's done here. Oh God. so gross. Yeah, dude. here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no N not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking song's in All he knows is it's too long. Yeah, and we got to Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of they're just involved with other great creative people and that's what they sell. That's their business is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome Yeah It's very weird. Like you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called D I think it's damn coold vampires or coold Damn vampires. It's a great fucking song about fucking tongue twister. It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry and it's about these vampires just sucking blood out of these artists and was a great song the great line of the song trying to make make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work That's what they're doing. but they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight and they're I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. And let me tell you something, kid, I know music and that drum solo seconds too long. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm going to show you these statistics. Yeah We've got a guy. We got statistics. We got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are to And when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy We got to stop them from tuning out Totally because I want to get a Conis egg. I want to get one of them fucking two million dollar cars. These kunts, they're just they exist in every everyvery walk of life where one person is like creative type it's not business oriented. and you need a business person. Yes. So the business people come in because someone's gott to sell it, you're not gonna to fuck it sell it. Yeah. What are you going to do Youre to make your own record company, You to hire own executives and do your own promotion. getet the fuck out of here. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up And how many guys are guys? and ruined their careers because they listened to them Man You know the Billy Squire story Billy S remind because I think Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He wr that song Lonely as the Night. my God. I love Billy Squire. Dude, the stroke, he was fantastic he did One music video where It was like very effeminine. It was like really weird. Oh was it when it was he was in his pajamas or something? It was really weird And everybody was like What is he doing? Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance. Yeah. I don't know. No one knows. Prayed God, it was his idea Because Elise like he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever. Yeah fine.. But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song was like very the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. Yeah. He was like, you know, his shirt down to his you know, open up down to his pants. Yeah f and he was a bad mother fucker on stage sayanging his ass off. Yeah He's a star One music video tankedem. I think it was my kind of lover. that was the song where See if you can find what the video was. This is it Thisone made on I found A about it about this whole thing ye. So like this is it. Yeah. so it was very weird. L what song is it? Can you hear So it was somebody else's idea is that that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy Looks like the guy doesn would tell you Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands and his knees. Yeah. It was weird It was very weird. what song was it You know, like if he was like like look at this. Look at him skipping around and it was a very odd that guy That seems like the type of guy that would give you the better advice. Something me tonight That's the name of the song N familiar with that title? Yeah, I don't know you. but I know I guess. That was remember that. And everybody's like, nope Yeah, that's a rarap And that guy should have had like fucking fifty giant albums. That guy was amazing. Yeah. suchuch an incredible singer, man. So lroud mee tonight. nineteen eighty four. Oh Yeah, we'll cut that part out, but you can see him dancing around. Like look at this.. Don't do that, buddy.. What is this? Yeah, don't do. We need you on the ground swarming R. Hopefy hopefully it was his idea. Yeah, and he was just my God, if this was somebody else's idea. L I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more more free. I want you I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees, I want you crawling That is what I want you to do. I want you like this. L you barely can cral. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. Yes, dude Oh my God. What did you do to him? Oh my god. What did you do to him? No I hope it was his idea Despite its maor success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video which was described as one of the worst ever in a twenty eleven book. I want my MTV the uncensored story of the music video Revolution showhows Squire dancing around in a bed with pastel colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined and he later fired his managers He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies, while Squire remains steadfast. the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. otherther commentators are less certain, well I'm pretty certain I remember it. remember I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah. the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That's just gay, bro. ' Billy Sire was the man. I mean, ye, he could have been another John Mellon camp, he could have been he could have gone on forever. For sure.ike what the fuck, dude? eighty four, One song, one music video inssane That is really crazy if you think about it. Yeah. It's nuts Well, that's the craziest thing about we think about like the success of Motley Cw and bands like from your era. The fact that you guys endured for so long Like still to this day. Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God, I get stronger. Fucker. Like you get pumped, man.' That song's a drug. Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how. on how rewarding that is to like sit back and like, I don't know, the Super Bowls on and the fucking kick offff you Yeah we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it throw kickstart my heart on. We'll cut it. we have to cut it out for YouTube' get docked with Oh fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, goddamn it. with Tommy Lee, motherfucker. Yeah, right But this this fucking here. This fucking song. Oh was this live? Don't give me a live one. Give me the actual one., That was one of the most American songs that's ever been made. ever. ever. That song is fuel you know That song is fucking fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. You know, like songs like that, they really do give you energy. They really are like a drug. Yeah, they're definitely They're injected Yeah, like changes your state, you know. I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild the power that music has, like the rightich kind of song. you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like a fuc like I get fuck Yeah. Goosebumps, bro. If something comes along that just and it gets inside you Yeah, it's fucking infectious and all of a sudden you're like, dude it's taking over my whole body I'm fucking tingling. Yeah. Hir standing up And you're like, what is that? Yeah. What the fuck is that? Like I want a fucking btle that up and try to recreate whatever that is. Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have ever done, of one of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that like they like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. L a great joke is awesome the first time. But after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power. the third time it gets a little boring A great song. I can listen to that sometometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, I just want to hear this song, one song over and over and over Wh that fucker out. Whar that fucker out? I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feels fuck good go. And every time it comes back I'm like fuck. And we're back, You know It changes the frequency of your actual soul. Y. Your body gets moved by it feel different. You I want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit I saw somewhere recently and this just goes along with that feeling euphoric feeling you get the right notes or frequencies hit you I saw that through sound certain frequencies like some dude in China, some doctor in China Or is it Japan has is this close to healing fucking cancer through through sound through frequency Really? Have you No, have you heard that? Sen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't bother because you know, it I just fascinates me because There is those frequencies out there that you know about them, four hundred and thirty two, four hundred and thirty two herz. H you heard about that stuff Explain to people so that Well, it's just Um there's some weird U what do you call it? conspiracy theories about Originally Our music like Bach Beethoven back in those days was tuned to F hundred and thirty two herz And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. A some point and people say Hitler changed tuning the pitch of music and now everything was raised four hundred and forty instead of four thirty two? Yeah instead of four thirty two. Now it's at four hundred and forty. It's up and it's and the frequency is more aggressive. and it was it said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know, angst crank this music. Well, they were also given a mh Excuse me. You were also given the meth. 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I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff if the any sound be or healing. frequencies If you've heard any of that I know people do sound baths where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone like that it's making sounds Yeah and something to it. But just think about like we're saying with Kickstart My heart. L when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel.. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. Obviously, sound has a profound effect on the human body. And It's not just like you inter there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot of there's a lot going on. the voice of the singer, you know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocket down on stage. sure. That also contributes to it, but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing sickness. I'm sure. I mean if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room like Get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something Yeah something Nice T be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting like things that give you good feeling and good energy. I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home. you know you're in the mood to not really listen to music, but ar music where it's just playing in the background and I'll I'll just put There's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. and there's like high deth shots of these just beautiful you know bonzaaya trees, koi ponds bigig Milwaukee Bonsi, like And it's just So chill And with that music and I just I just put it on and it's kind of on a lot actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to like just like I little Yeah, puts you in a different state. Puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah I dig it, man You got really into Bonzai. Yeah, dude How did that start? All the all the times that we've gone to Japan Every sing every time I went there I always went to to the Japanese gardens or the temples. and I would just I'd walk around and just be like my jaw on the floor like I've never seen anything this fucin Peaceful and beautiful and. just like I don't know, it just came over this feeling that every time I went, I came over me. and so I started studying Yeah, this is like eight years ago I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down you know, down the down the tube here and figure out what that what that is and how I can get this some of this into my life. and I found some fucking videos on June Bonszai work on trees and I started and I haven't stopped and it's been Hands down, the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into man like I'll be out there for hours every day. like I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on And I got like a workshop, dude. It's like a there's like in progress workors on the bench. there's other ones on bending there's ones thatm you know Treating for pests, you know, it's a whole world and wiring everything, training it to where you want to go ing It's just it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours, I just I don't know, man, I just check out. How many years have you been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now, I've been doing it eight years. And so Is a Bonszai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it? Yes, Yes. Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible beautiful artistic shape You' small. Yes, it's you're you're basically you keep kind of darfing it. And the and everybody gets us confused And they just think Bonzai is like That's the tree. Bonsaim means tree and pot That's what that means actually. It doesn't mean the actual Bonzai tree. It means tree and pot and How long has the study of Bzai? How long has the practice been around? Dude I have no idea And and you find that other parts of the world now that you get into it. I mean, there's in Taiwan And China There are some fucking insane bons. and I think it actually originated in China And the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it their sort of their version. But I think it originated in China if I'm not mistaken century China and they brought that l Fuck, dude. W. Fucking wicki Lee over here. So don't you have a tree that's three hundred years old? Yes, I do. Over three hundred. Two of them that are over three hundred years old. So someone was working on them over three hundred years ago. was Either that or it was collected maybe a hundred years ago And then over that time, it's just past that they've been back like what you'll do But it's a part of a tree that's three hundred years ago. Yeah, it's it's still it's the same tree. Right. But it's just it's never been It's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree? The three hundred year old tree? No, no, no, that's just that's just a small juniper that I have. It's beautiful. The three hundred year old one is is a redwood It fucking on it's like this and it's smashed into pot about this big That seems rude. It's about It But Redwood, it seems rude. And if you go to like Northern California and you go to the Redwood forest, Yeahah, they're fuckings Those things are wild. insane. That Redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through. Yeah, you know. Yes. they cut a hole in it in like the nineteen twenties or whatever. f. I can't believe they did that, but the tree' still alive. and you drive through the tree It's so crazy Yeah, that that that one I showed. Not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to Bzai shows Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. just now like just this year entered a couple of trees. That's awesome. The rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know, what a cool hobby. Yeah, it's fucking rd, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. Totally. Like greatreat balancing tool. You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of a lot of you know, my pers musical buddies, like they they're all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what what's up what the Bonds are? They're curious. They want to know. Yeah because maybe they've seen M, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me in the Yeah I want some of that. I'm not sure. Well there's something about like a Zen garden that you associate with like Bonsai peeacefulness and clarity. Yes, you know, just peace of mind this clean mind. Like your mind is pure. You're like you're really in the moment rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uberats just You know what I mean? Yeah's like there's something that's very spiritually attractive to people about those practices. Yes. and that's it too. It really has a lot to do with sort of the the culture of all of it. like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to you start to realize that everything the at least the Japanese do is with such fucking purpose. like you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, oh, I get it now serious rules about how they buildild his E end garden, you will never find a straight path I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down. when you get to when you get as soon as you walk into a garden, The number one objective is to get you to slow the fuck down and there's no straight path and everything You don't nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always, even if they're if you're going across a lake or a pond There's never a straight very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arched or the bridge zigzags. Frost There's never a straight line and what that's how that's What that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner take it in and fucking be present. And that's to me It's like That's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of Right All the time So you know It's just I get I don't know how to explain it something it's hard to explain that state, but that's what I that's what I get from it and every day it's the best way to start your day, man, it can only get fucking amazing after that because you you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rroud day. like do you know what I mean? Like Yeah like, I'm good. Let's go. Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens that's so attractive to people. Yeah. It's obvious there's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and way it's artistically pieced together. It very exciting to people And you see it, man, I don't know if you've noticed something you had to notice. you see it in a lot of the like newer architecture. A lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that It's sort of very minimal. Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that. R It's really. U Yeah. Yeah, it's more It's more peaceful, in the actual design itself. versus like some house with big gin ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere. And like, oh, ye sl down. Yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views and I mean, the views just kind of view, doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having you know a beautiful winding sanctuary to Yeah to to cruise through You know, I think nature is very therapeutic And if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden It's very therapeutic Oh That's a way better view. The view of nature is a way always a way. look You Whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings like, wow, this is crazy in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. Right. R. I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me at least, I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there.. I like to see trees. Yeah. I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. You know, it's funny, dude. I tell people, I think I was a fucking tree like in a past life because I'm like, maybe you were a tree too I'm like you, like I don't know if you're like this and gnarly about it, but Every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees Whether it's a big city or wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings, I't you know, up and or're down, I'm always like looking for the tree. Yeah, it's's just I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants, or they're very connected to nature period. It's onene of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park A have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window you look out, you see the whole park like straightice This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big And it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around. L, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. all feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Oh an amazing one. Yeah It's fucking huge. Like how many acres is Central Park Let's find that out. Let's guess Gess, a thousand acres If I had to guess, maybe two thousand acres, how big is it eight hundred and forty three acres So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world. And you see all these giant crazy fucking buildings and then N no. in the center Beautiful. Fucking props to that those people or whoever that didn't sell That space How many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty ass building in the middle of it? We don't need eight hundred acres, five hundred acres. that's plenty Penty, plenty plenty. We'll just make those five hundred acres even better and no one's going complain Yeah. put a bunch of money. Yeah hats off to whoever listen, whatever going to do. Whoever like held that down going know them man. They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with Ari Shapir, Sane Gillis and Mark Norman is protect our parks. Oh, but we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit.' called Protect our parks because Ari on one of the early episodes was ranting and raving about they're going to fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings and they wind up doing it. They killed the park Yeah man They just w to suck out all the trees and just make money, these dirty bitches. Oh man. prettyre soon everybody's gonna have no place to go, man. Yeah. Well, I think central Park is safe and That's the greatest park in the world. Yeah It really is. The greatest park in any city in the world. It's so crazy you mentioned that because on the way here, I was I looking through Instagram and I saw Sorry. that this happened Um someome dude got killed. One of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing just fucking launched and you see the dude The horse flips the cart then the dude gets flung out and he dies, he died on the way to the hospital. Why did the horse reak out Do we know what happened? I don't It didn't show it. It just showed like somebody else has had footage of it like just Horse freaking out. Ouch. And then peeling out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, o man, dude, you know, I love horses and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. Yeah. I get that people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah ye yeah. It's not right. No. horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields in the mountains. a horse is supposed to be running around and clicking around on the asphalt. dude that. They're like. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then Yeah. And I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, which is kind of crazy. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. J just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, whyy this fuck is this cow? This was likely an accident because Yeah, the driver, I guess they call him wasn't Dude Dite spot, like left to see What? Yeah. He left his never supposed to leave seat. says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage and when the family was climbing back in Horse got spook Oh no. It to happen very fast Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out Oh Fx man And you see it just go and just make kind of a hard write and the buggy just uck fllips over into. I don't fuck with horses, man. Yeah, dude. I don't ride them. I have I've ridden a horse before. I don't like it Dude, I same here, I've done it. I got my ass thrown off one Yeah. and I was like, I'm good I'm cool. It's just not was good It's just, I mean, look If you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. Sure. You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them. I get it for entertainment purposes. It's like I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. and the elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugarcane and you know, you pet them and you hang out with them. and then they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sureure, come on up. G lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back. and they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that I could have just hung out with them. That'd have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them. Yeah, ye yeah like king chimp. King chimp on this bigig ass fucking elephant lookook at me. You know, it's very weird. Yeah. It's weird But you know, people like it and they're beautiful animals Oh my Godd, they're beautiful. I don't need to ride animals I get it. peopleeople like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me. Yeah. I' look at them. I'm with you. Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like they're bonded to that animal, like no other animal. Oh yeah I know a few that are just like horse whispere kind of shit like where you're like, whoa This is This is some next level love. Yeah, they do a lot of there's there's a therapy with that too. They doine therapy for a lot of people. I did that one time. at a rehab. they took us to have like a couple of days with just with horses And it was cool, man Get it. Yeah. G it. Well again, it's like just like the trees in the forest, it's like something peaceful about horses. Yeah, you know, mostost of the time they' especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out. Yeah. ye. You them up and pet them and they like it and it's like It like Yeah. pututs you in check big ass teeth freak me out when When you're fing and're like, you don't to get your fingers in there, dude. People have been bitten by them too. Hpers If someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you, like Yeah, bro. Oh do Yeah, that's got a fucking D you imagineed? all that jaw power? Dude, This size of their fucking head cllamping down your hand. Fuck you. I want a carrot bitch Give me the fucking carrot. That's so rd you can smoke in Yes. Oh man Yeah, I smoke cigars. Of course. I'll fire up with you. All right Hm How long you been smoking You ever try to quit I have and I quit for this was a few years ago. I quit for like Fuck Almost made it a year And then I was like, I got I feel like after a few months you're out of the woods. Yeah. I don't know just didn't didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man. We'll brought you back Um You know what probablyably because I was drinking at the time. like They kind of go hand in hand. if you'reing a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke. Chances. chances are and I don't know, man. I was just You're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like Where's a cigarette It's just, I don't know, it's like rock and roll. L they just go together for some reason. So I failed Well, why did whyy did you quit originally? What it was the U was the thought behind it Um I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything, you know, you just like, that's it. fuck everything I'm just going to take a break and fucking hit the reset button onn everything. I think I was going through that phase because I hadn't never tried that. triried everything else, but nothing. Oh And yeah I don't know, man It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery. Yeah. and then and you got and then you know, you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still and I'm like, he's fine. And like I've gotten I've gotten my fucking my lungs and done the whole like Puvo like body scan to see all your shit And They're like, you're good. I'm like, Are you sure? Wait, let me see the like, you know, the paperwork different Les or a different guy. like because That's fucking impossible. They're like You're good I was like, all right, so there's really no reason to quit. Well it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer or the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer but M cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high So if you like let's find the numbers. Put it into perplexity, please. Let's what percentage? of cigarette smokers get lung cancer And I think it's less than five percent. I think it's a very small number And then you got to think people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? Oh yeah, that's crazy. I don't. And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant. they only smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less. Yeah Like so what does it say, Jamimie It's still calculating orry. And isn't there something about like nicotine? like when COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. and I never got fucking COVID. Yes. And it was like Yeahay, nicotine. Well, there's something about smoking cigaretes. It's supposed to be like really good prevent COVID and it's really confusing to be so crazy. Yeah, tencent to twenty percent of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer withith many studies landing about fifteen percent. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that fifteen out of one hundred current smokers will get lung cancer over the. But that's estimated from a study, another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer People who never smoke have a one to two percent chance or lifetime risk of lung cancer Yeah, people who never smoke Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer. But smoking still causes about eightycent to nine percent of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie that we forgot to look up. there is some sort of a study that's connecting People that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets. like so they have like they use a lot of olive oil Oh yeah, ye olive oil seems to protect, it's a very controversial statement because People think, Ohh my god, you're promoting cigaretes. I don't think're promoting cigaretes I just think that they're just looking at data. these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems. Oh wow. Yeah, whichich makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You gott to think it's gott to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. Yeah Itakes sense that it would apply to smoking as well. Yeah, ye so smoke 'em if you got it. fucking ide. Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fuckking go. Dipem. Dipem like shherm. Have you ever tried shherm? Yeah A long time ago. Did you who? Yeah, fucking high school days, man People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets still but smoke still face the full very high health risk of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers But there was an article that I had read connecting it They were talking about Europeans ye herites, especially meditating rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables and whole grains, tea, olive oil and wine. poolyphenol intake is linked more to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long term heart disease risk and overall overall mortality in observational studies because that's the other thing about cigarettes, it's not just cancer. it's also heart disease And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti inflammatory effects Current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. means for smokers haters You have to have some vices ost of the people I know that in alcoholics anonyms, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes. Yeah. bigig percentage of them. Rripping cigarettes. Yeah. 'causeuse it gets you a little high. Yeah, but it's like a very manageable high. Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like,, I'm all right. Yeah, it's just like a little lightheed. Yeah. But also like good for cognitive function You know, Oh Like, you know, Pink Floyd when they wrote the wall, they werere highest fuck on cigarettes. Th guys smoked cigarettes all day long. What? Yeah. Yeah, those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes. Get out of here. Yeah that coffee dude? Get in there Fuck, yeah. Thank you, bro Yeah Yeah Tony Hitchcliff told me and he's a giant cigarette fan Stephen King said that too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing. Oh whoa. Yeah, I said the Synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore Wow It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed. quit smoking. That's wild. Yeah Hh Doesn't that make sense though? it does. I remember Um quuitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better I Wha, shit. Yeah. like everything you just tasted better. Yeah Of course, it's pound in a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink It's gotta numb the inside of your mouth in some way dull your senses. Somet. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah scco. Clog up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude. A lot of creative people swear byy cigarettes, man Hm I think there's there's some benefit to it Yeah Hopefully Now I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many Like super creative people and a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco. David Killmore says he never smoked cigarettes David Gilmore But didn't Roger Waters says this I think goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigaretes but it's more about their marijuana and hasash she smoking? Tacco. So Tony Hanscliff spread misinformation and here I am repeating it. He might have been He could have been told though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told than like. Well, Roger, ye, we all did hang out with Roger that one night That was pretty dope We got to see Rog Waters live and we came on the podcast, we hung out and then we went to see his concert. It was insane. Oh wasn I bet it was fucking row. An another legend was still like full power on stage. incredible. That's the best. The show was amazing. and it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. So the show is like it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing Yeah You know, and his is so politically loaded. So it's you know, you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs like when they're playing the walls like Yeah, I remember seeing one of those tours, I think maybe it was, I don't know but the wall slowly building over the whole. Yeah When we went to see him, Ari was high his fuckking on acid and he's c crying in the middle of the show. He's crying like. It was fucking phenomenal. Oh my God. Dude. I don't know if I could handle that Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus. L get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just gonna go see the concert. I'm about doing that. Yeah, dude Fuck around all those people I'd probably I don't know if that'd be a good one. Probably not a good one, but Ari iss experienced passenger You know what I mean? He could ride some waves. Good boy. He could ride some waves without throwing up Do you ever look back and just say God, it's a wonder I'm still alive I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do I shouldn't technically be here Right. Maybe you shouldn't, I don't know, who knows We all got our thing but H man, I'm really lucky to be here And I think it's because I want to be here like You know what I mean? Like like I want to be here. likeike I want to fucking see pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be I mean the year two thousand, I where's my fucking spaceship? look Right, You know, like Where is that? There was supposed to be full Jetssons Bro They're extremely late or it's never going to happen I think there's a real problem with people flying around. They lied. The problem with people flying around is you got to catch them Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them.? Yeah. If people are flying around like way too much r the bank and they And they just go off like no, no, no, no. you can't have that for everybody. Yeah You cant have people corral in nice Very clean lines We can block these lines off, very obvious paths. U lights to start. offer them in helicopters, put a spotlight down onem. S follow ' them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the Jetsin ike that's not fuck. I want that, dude. I want my own little Well, they do have flying cars now. I saw some. There's a couple, there's like one company called Jet onene It's like this little looks like a little, it's like a one man droneop I'm like Yeah me and my manager were always like, Should we fucking get a couple of these? You don't w want to die that way Yeah, let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah, it's probably needs a little bit more time for it to be soup, but yeah, man. because I mean, think about like how glitchy early cell phones were You know what I mean? De wr that shit get ironed out. Yeah. the egg heads work on that for a little bit polish it up nice. Yeah fix all the bugs. Yeah. It's like I don't know what happens when those things crash. L you get warning when they're about to die. like do you Do it run out of batteries? Is it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and die? 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Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Yeah. People are very stupid. Dud peopleeople are stupid. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago And that's exactly what That's about. It's literally We have gotten to a place where everything to me, like we are at pick stupid proportions where youre just like Not a day goes by where I'm like, That's fucking ridiculous. That's stupid Like howstute like How stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track It's called Stupid World. You live in LA. is one of the stupidest fucking places on Earth Dude, I know It's fucking insane. I'm like and I'm doing the same thing too. likeike why do I live here? I mean, I love I love it there the same amazing. There's always in the back of my head is why? Look, it's one of the most beautiful places on Earth. The weather's perfect. Yes. Most of the people are very friendly Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like it's only a percentage of the people that are that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The most The majority of the people are cool The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit It's like slowly the film business is like dried up Yeah like completely dried up television completely dried up. Late night TV. it's it's dried up, man. And then that was fueling a giant part of like what made LA special I know. and it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore and they make it intolerable. make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes and they punish you with regulations, they punish you. they make it everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal. Yeah. And they get surprised when people leave. L what do you want? Yeah. What do you think you're doing that place L you guys didn see the statistics. stop fucking gaslighting the world. rightight? You to fuck this place sideways and you want to keep doing it. And the weirdest thing is, you know like You know, you hear and you see, Oh man, fuck a bunch of people are leaving LA. and Part of me is like Fuck y us Get the fuck out of here. There's too many people here. So go thenen I realize Nothing's really changed and I don't really notice that people have left Traffic still the same. A bunch of shits exactly the same and you tell me this many people left, I don't see it. Well and I wonder if that's not not maybe a I don't know a hype atist Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers are real. peoplee have left LA, but it doesn't matter. You could lose five million people in LA still too big The traffic's banana dude it is fucking ridic It's retorant. Yeah. it's If you want to go to Orange County at four o'clock or shoot yourself, Like it's a real that's a real decision. dririve to Orange County at four o'clock in the afternoon. you' like what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. Yeah. and don't even think about hitting the four hundred five All like th No, you're gonna have to go some sideways. Yeah. You're gonna have to go you're gonna have to use ways. Yeah And Yeahah. And I And even then you're fucked, Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA, God bless you. Dude, God bless you. Yeah. How do you do it? I don't know. People do it every day They just w want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice. Yeah.ice. I got to work in L.A fuck it I'll just drive in every day. J fucking Just all fucking mad and just. I would get up at five in the morning and just go to the gym That's what I would do. I' get up five in the morning, drive to LA. I get a membership in LA. at the gym That way I'm driving with no traffic, at least one way. att least getting there. I have no traffic. Yeah. And then you deal with the home commute. doing it to both to and from fuck you I'm not doing that. It's too gnarly. I'd rather get up at five in the morning. I would I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day minimum in their car And they really live twenty minutes away If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in twenty five minutes. M That That's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time and you realize that kind of time You're wasting wasting and you're never going to get back and you're like, what If I do this con consecutively every single day I wonder what add that time up over whatever However many years and Ill bet you people would freak the fuck out. Yeah you lost years. I just lost years of my life in the fucking car. Yeah But the good thing is, one thing that you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. Yeah. And books on tape are amazing. And you know, podcasts too for some people. Yeah. But for me it's a lot of it is books on tape because like youll get lost in a book And it doesn't even really bother you that much. And one of the crazy if you have a Tesla My Tesla does auto driving So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go I just turn it on and it goes I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does Everything Dress. And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel ust like this. Oh to make it look like you're No, you're supposed to like stay contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road, but you don't have to it all Now, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know what happens if you just I think it shuts down after a second probably starts to recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. The reality is like that as a stress decoupler There's nothing l. W, man, the best. You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half. instead of like constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're just chilling and you can get just like listen to your book on Bunza Yeah. No, that is that is nice man I don't know about you, but like if I start like You know, you start reading a book Just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading they get tired. So you get more in listening to it an auditory version of it rather than for me, at least sort of sort of eye stressing on reading and doing all that That I gets tired and then fucking lose interest Yeah, that's that's there's definitely something to that. reading always makes me want to go to sleep. Again,ne thing especially reading at night it helps you fall asleep. Yeah. But there's there's also something about reading in your head Because you create the voices and you create everything like you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape. But with audio books, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing.. Like if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audioobooks in the gym, I listen to audioobooks in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that all together makes is a couple of hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read I don't. I wish I did, I don't. Yeah. So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening That's the thing because especially at the gym. You can get a little J just distracted and you're like, what the fuck did he just say? and you have to back it up. and Oh yeah. that happens. I generally I just shut it off. I'm like this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention. Yeah, Yeah What did they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it. Yeah people people people think they're multitasking. Right. That doesn't fucking exist. You really Yeah, whatever You're sort of multitasking but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul Thank you very much. Yeah. You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things And if one of them is very simple and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. Right, right? If it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing, you're robbing attention from the things. Yeah. there it is. Yeah it is. Well I've always find that like my best workouts are in silence like you don't it's so hard to work out. like you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. And if you add in a bunch of stuff Acept music Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different. Sure books. It's like music, you can listen and then stop listening. you could do be in the middle of a set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just just gives you some energy in the air. Yeah Music is the ultimate companion for working out. Yeah. no doubt, no doubt. So much so that David Gogins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating I think was' cheating you know, because he's just a pl. Total psycho. Is that that like u is that that like Ultrarathon guy? Yeah. Okay, I thought that was the live forever guy. the Oh no, no, no, that's Brian Johnson. That's the guy like has his son's blood injected into. Yeah that dude. I'm sorry. I'm confusing this. David Gogins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy SEAL who run I think How many ultra marathons did you running a month Something insane He runs one hundred mile races and he's's like an insane fitness freak And when he works out is these workouts where like famously he'll take like professional fighters and they work out with them and they can't keep up and they're just throwing up and can't can't believe how much this guy works and he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up He finished eight one hundred mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends So he ran eight hundred miles in eight weekends He's a nut And he does like hell he'll be like at home and just decide I'm going to do a sixty mile ruck right now and just like throws on a backpack gets outside and starts rcking. And they'll just do sixty miles. and soll go out there for hours and hours. just decides. this is what I'm going to do and I'm not stop until I'm done. He does it all the time. Wha. He's in insane shape and he's fifty Wow.' in He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. Oh from poundnder. Fom bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations, doesn't care, keeps going. on bone on bone But it's just a maniac It Sos complete and total man, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow. That's amazing But that'sating. It shows you I like to cheat I like to use that music. I like to cheat I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself maybe, but why would I when I I mean give me that fuc give me that fucking music. Yeah, if it's cheating, I'm going to cheat at that. Yeah, that's that's that's not cheating. I don't think it as che called inspiration. Yes. It's an awesome supplement. That's what it' so c. There you go. But for him, it's all about mental strength so he considers it cheating use that mental strength like to your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, You can't always count on that music The music's not always going to be there Okay U I guess so. He kind of has a I get it. Yeah do what you're doing. But what he does, he kind of has a point. Yeah, I could see that what he's focusing Yeah, no no no distractions. Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says I'm gaining knowledge I' must believe him. I believe him because he's's think he's going into the dark realms of his mind, you know dude. Iense suffering, running one hundred mile races eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious other work R while he's run That's the real like deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are, run eight one hundred mile races in eight weeks. Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck am I doing? No dude, you got this, You got this. No dude, you're an idiot. No, bro. Fuck yes I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons just crushing down negative thoughts crushing down weakness You know I know Fuck. It's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy. Yeah there are dude. It's pretty crazy. I bet you've met every variety of just about. Oh my God That's funny. B on I know. there's some crazy people in this world. Yeah, there is. But we need all of them. You know, we need our Tommy Leees, we need our David Lee Ross, we need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful is that there are so many different people. You can meet someone like, fuck I never met a guy like him. That's nuts. Yeah, that is what it is wonderful Isn't it wonderful? I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived practically the other I feel like it just about I mean, you've been famous since what year like what year did Motley Cw really break out eightighty eighty That's nuts. Yeah. Boy, that world was a different place. Bro. The world was a different place, no internet No, no cell phones. No. Who was president in nineteen eighty Was that even Reagan yet Almost When did Reagan become president fuck Reagan was president when I was in high school. who to fuck? That was in the eighties Ye, Jamie? Started in eighty one. eighty one. So nineteen eighty, Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck, whoo was Pident Bush? How to be Jimmy Carter, right? That sounds right. Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan Yeah Yeah. So it's Jimmy Carter And Ronald Reigan Whoa, dude. Wow, isn't that nuts. nineteen eighty. What was that scene like Rro That was I' still to this day Um Um Motley did u We did this movie called The Dirt and it's based on our Autobiography. from you know certain years from this year to this year. And it kind it kind of like It shows how it fucking was and O one of the coolest things ever is when You know, I'll see you know emails from fans or questions from fans And they're like, Was it and these are from like, you know, eighteen year old kids are like, was it Really like that When you guys were rocking shit like that. I was like one hundred percent, they're like Fuck. We' And they're bommed. They're like We will never ever get to experience that. Fuck. It was just full on til the wheels fall off. No You could get away with fucking murder Literally there was no phones and no This was at a time where anything Anything goes prettyretty much How old were you in nineteen eighty In nineteen eighty I was U eighteen Jesus Christ. eighteen, seventeen? So you're blowing up at eighteen years old How the fuck did you manage? know dude. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like nineteen forty, rightight? It's like it's not world. I know. Even the font from Motley Crw. Yeah, looks ancient Totally wow God, dude. What that does that even seem real when you look at that picture Um, Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop to the wrinkles in the fabric. That's what the whisky whisky Too fast for love Fucking great song. And that fucking drum riser That there with the lights in it. Yeah My dad fucking And my dad myself and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude Like it had fucking switches My dad was a mechanic. And so my dad built Europe He's like a jig newer drum Riser. All right, let's go Dude, he my dad would built us a pyro Fucking heat. drilled out or c cut these big big Oh blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood. And then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder, and we'd be out in my backyard, dude in the neighbors is and be all of a sudden it's like Fire There's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard. and the neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And my dad like he just he loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers And then he would drive he would drive me to the gigs And, uh, in his van with all my shit like I had the best dad fucking ever. That's awesome. Yeah. And here's a mechanic, okay. Look at this fucking set up, bro. This is nuts. Oh dude Right? The hamster wheel Yeah That is crazy. Yeah That's not. But you were doing drums like halfway upside down. The thing was gyroscoped. It went around, you know, right to left Back to front What is it like trying to play the drums from that position though? That's got to be very weird. Dude, it is insane. like I had to Like I had to change so many dynamics like think about it instead of gravity Instead of gravity, pulling your hand down, right? Right Now you've got to push Oh yeah upside down. so it becomes three times harder physically and And also you had to make adjustments. So I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals They're foot pedals for your base drums, right And those are change driven pedal footboards. So when you go upside down They fall So I had to put springs, I had to put springs underneath the petals to keep them taut So they would stay up. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah. So I had and with symbols, they they They're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside downside and make all these crazy adjustments technically pull it off, but We figured it out with the hi hat too because the highi hat would, you know, the two symbols that They would just if you're upside down, they just They just go open, they open So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit. Why did you decide to do that? Like what was just something Brad This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. If you're looking for a new tent, jeans, gear, or anything really, there's millions of options to choose from And finding the right one can take days or longer. At least when it comes to hiring, Zip Recruiter has a solution Check it out for free at ziprecruiter dot com slash Rogan. 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Switch today at visible. com plan start at just twenty five dollars a month or get our premium Visible plus pro plan and save ten dollars ten on your first month when you use promo Code Rogan, an exclusive offer for podcast listeners. You know what? That all started Um And it's kind of been my thing throughout history and Every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course, everybody's like, what are you going to do next year? What are you gonna do next year Um, That's sort of like that's where it all started and it really started when I went to go see was fucking Travers Do you remember Pat Traffver's band? No. Boom, boom. Oh go the like. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, anyway, they were cool. and I went to go see them And Tommy Aldrich was the drummer and This is before, Motley. I'm just like, whoa, dude, like a fucking kid standing on the chair my fuck y Right and his drum solo time And he's about us. And he's he's fucking ripping, dude. All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding. and I'm looking around. And I'm watching people go get a beer, people go on to pee going to get a t shirt, going out to the lobby to fucking smoke a joint. I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving and I'm like Where the fuck is everybody going? That guy is Murdering. the fucking drums right now and y'all are like He failed to capture their attention From that moment on, I went I need to figure out A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see. It's not like a guitar right right where you can see Oh there's the that's the roller coaster. That's that's the that's the crucifly dude. That's so dope. That's the light the latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium. That's crazy dude And look it and then it It starts It starts twirling as it's going down. Oh my go you're upside down. That's so sick. Look at that dude. That is so sick The audience must go d Nanas. Yeah att one point the roller coaster comes down and it's literally almost just they could almost touch you. Wow. Look at that shit, dude I think that is How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums? Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked It's nine minutes total. Must do a lot for your core too, right?. hold yourself. Dude I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards.. I go back and do it backwards. And by the time I get done I'm sitting there with the oxygen at the cor Well, Mick does a guitar solo, I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio. It's insane. It's like shadow boxing for minutes at a time. hardcore, super fast. Yeah. I've always admired the on theching back. Yeah, just constantly and you know what that's like man. after a fucking minute of that you're like No, The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like if you didn't play drums for like a few years and then picked it up again and started again, it'd probably take forever to get that endurance back. Forever, dude. Beause it's so like when you're going off, dude, you're so fast. you're going so fast. D It's like everything's fucking moving, you're pounding, your feet and everything like fuck man.. I know. It's one of the most athletic things in all of music. It really is, man. and I had this I was like Okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking High school Untill today, right And I'm like, that's fucking weird And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. like I don't there's no, I don't like diet or or have some strict you know, regimed food program I was like I'm gonna a fucking I gotta see I got one of those This was years ago. It was like a pedometer. you clip onto your shoe like joggers would use it to see how It was like the old version. you just clipped it on your on your shoe and it told you how many miles you did like a little tachometer, not a tachometer. Yeah. I know pedometer. Pedometer. Yeahah So I'm like, I get one. I clip it on. I'm like, I'm wonder what how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two hour show I don't know, fuck, who knows I know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm After the show all I hear is ringing in my ear And I'm fucking Rct R. I'm done And I fucking took it off after the show and I looked down and it said thirteen point three miles. And I was like So that's why I don't fucking. That's why I'm just skinny fuck And like I just I sweat it out Travin Barker. sameame deal. Same deal. Yeah. I mean, he works a as well, but it's like same deal. Yeah. ye It's like incredible amounts of cardio. The amount of I wonder how many calories you burn in a two hour show. It's gotta be off the charts. Yeah, that I haven't measured just becausecause it's not just jogging. it's not like you're running thirteen miles. Obviously you're sitting still, but the pounding of the arms. Yes. and the breathing You gotta fuckking. Yeah. It's like God Yeah, everythingthing's going, man, you're firing on a cy For sure the most athletic thing in all of music. For sure Nothing even close Right? Yeah. No. I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not not nearly. Drums are like it's more like a sport. It really is. It really is. It really is. L you don't see a really out of shape drummer. No, you know? It's almost like you can't be to keep up. No, I know. and everybody's you're kind of like You're the fucking heartbeat, man. you really everybody's kind, you know People say you're you're only as good your band's only as good as your drummer And that's really fucking, it's really true. and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drumer, but Drummer has a lot of responsibility, man. Ebody, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving. 'm I'm responsible for for a lot of that. I'm not saying it for all of it. You sort of set the pace You know, u And and you you're making people physically move. Yeah likeike and that's that takes That takes a lot of work. you know, the amount of energy you're putting out, you're getting back and you're seeing it and you're like, fuck I'm driving here. Yeah. And that's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's draining, but it's fucking rat. I live for it. Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own? Um, I I didn't really take lessons. I learned on my own until I mean, like kind of early in in high school. played in the marching band That wasn't really like drums. that was like more like drum chore stuff like rudiments and drum chore shit, not really the whole kit until later I got to school my high school to let me You're sorry, mate grade school to let me borrow with the drum the jazz drum set school and I bring it home and then I started just like listening to my favorite shit and I would just play along And so I never really took any physical lessons. I just It was just in me, man. I was just like really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got it Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way that like you're taught or did you just figure it out on your own? J I just figured it out on my own just probably just moved on from the forks and the spoons. It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own Yeah, like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down left handed. He just made it work. Yeah. Yeah. justust figured out how to do it on his own It's really interesting how with You know, when you just Get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out. And then doing it your own way. Yeah of course, and then whoa, then you got your own thing. which that's wonderful, man. Well if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like you play or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays drums are so much it's like it's so much more powerful now than ever before. I know, man. and then That thing happens, I don't know if you've ever been around like like a drum circle The more drummers there are, like all of a sudden it just it becomes this This thing it grows into this tribal like Dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm Yeah and fuck it's so powerful. It's like, you know I don't know kind of It's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano. R playing the right chords W them cry. right Yeah But yeah, that's funine man. There's nothing better than in rhythmen I live for that shit. No, I can d. I was getting in trouble all the time at in school ' because I'd always be like Always, always Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep, sorry back in the back of class and be like You're making like water drip noises? around for a leak l last clown. Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture. L from the beginning of human time, like people pounding on drums pp for Yeah they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah, you know, to keep make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild. Ist that cool. You know, they knew even back then, there's something about the sound of drums That's important The heartbeat. You ever fuck around with bongos Aw, sure. Yeah, those a lot of handed instruments, bongos, conongos I just the last couple years been playing A handum People call him hang drum, hand drum You know them? Have you seen them? They're like they look like a fucking flying saucer. Oh yeah. I have br Yeah. and they're really melodic, really beautiful Zeni sounding instrument. That's cool because it's percussive and melodic So you can come up with these really bitch and depending on how the instruments tuned and That's been a lot of fun. that's cool. like sort of A different kind of rhythm, but It's it's a it's a soothing one. It's Total opposite of the aggressive shit. Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long, just experiment with different things M. I love that man. There's I'm always searching for a new sound, you know, cuss sound that moves you, makes you I don't know, it gets inside you. R alwaysways on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker like you know, find something that sonically sounds. like a drum, it could be a drum. It's not and I'll make it I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. and all of a sudden, you know you know, I don't know, hitting on these elorns or something sounds like a wood block pitched way way down, it sound more sounds like a note going, o I don't know, like I'm just I love I love percussion and rhythm. so I'm always fucking around trying to find find something that moves us, you know That's my job. Yeah. That's cool I to hear a movie, man. It's a cool fucking job. Yeah I like it man. It doesn't suck. No. It doesn't suck. No. When you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do Do you have a beat in your head? Do Do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? L how do you do it? You know what? it's always different. I wish I could say I had like a a thing I really don't, man. likeike it it'll be Something happened to me or something I'm experiencing ark a word or A chant All of the sudden, you know, then that I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great and I'll start with a beat than add guitars. It's never really there's not really like a format I just kind of go with whatever sort of inspiring me at the time feel like I need to write about Bang Yeah, there's not really like a way. I know a lot of people have a sort methodical way like, well, I start with the lyric first. alwaysways the lyric first. Nothing else is important Okay, dude. why don't we why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? Actually, no one's going to like a true drummer. No one's going to even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to Stay listening Right or to move it. They're going like, o, this is nice not the like is not the key moment when you're like, oh This is called before you've even heard of a lyric or a melody That's that's kind of ob thank priority is like, is it moving me? Yeah. Okay let's go. It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway. Yes Be there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize. Right. And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better. It's going to give you up more differentiffnt results, right? Yeah inststead of being that okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same if you keep using the same method Yeah. When you write, do you write down on paper or do you just yeah. Yeah, paper You ever write on computer or do you ever like just write in your own head? You ever just like I used a computer a lot too A lot for excuse me for demos, that's a really quick way to you know, where I can I can present a song to the band where you know fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll bring in demos that Totally created by. Yeahah just sound really sound finished, you know, It's like, okay and then And we'll go from there. So Yeah, I I always try to like You know, not not finish everything entirely because You know, when you're in a band with three other guys who also create kind of leave it open for that, but But yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded sort of produce them. It's Really beautiful that You know, Motley Crw hit in nineteen eighty, hereere we are. Fty six years later And you still love it I know. That's so awesome. Isn't that correct That's what everybody wants in this life. Something that they're passionate about that remains passassion days and if anything grows as a passion Still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you Yeah. nineteen eighty The world was a different place. Think about where we were in the universe in nineteen eighty and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. L we've moved how many fucking million miles? Since nineteen eighty. I know. that's that's hard to think about. You know, have you ever seen what the You know, we always want to think about The sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space? The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary It' like we're sat there and we're just spinning around. Yeah and everybody else is just fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in nineteen eighty, we were in a totally different spot in the universe That's crazy That is The world was different. peopleople were different. information was different Our version of reality was different. Everything. Everything was different B And you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers, to fucking sidekicks, to iPhones, to the internet, everything like Remember the motorola brick phone? Oh yeah. Yeah, dude, you're a pimp if you have one of those. L. Look at it, this is what it looks like. This is see most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. Oh, it's how our solar system actually moves So look, the sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Isn't that crazy? Where iss Earth there Earth is the third planet from the suun. Oh blue one right there. So just think about that. How many rips? Yeah, how many rips have we done haveave we done since nineteen eighty How we're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in nineteen eighty How far? Let's ask this, how far has the solar system moved through the universe since nineteen eighty? Let's ask Perplexity that Oh my go. That This is one of the best uses of AI. Stupid information like. Yes. Yeah, it is It is I'm going to guess one hundred million miles Just a wild guess I have no idea A hundred million Well, let me see what it looks like Roughly two to three, I think a light year is a trillion miles Whoa dude. twoo to three light years through space. Okay, how many miles is a light year put that in Right, But how many miles is a light year? I think it's a trillion mo Fuck we're going in A light year is five point eight eight trillion miles Dude! Okaykay Oh, think about that Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crew bust out onto the scene. Dude. Think of that. And a trillion is a thousand billion. Y. a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth move through. So it was like two to three It was two to three light years Okay And each light year is how many trillion? five point eight eight. How out that So you're dealing with roughly teen plus trillion miles. Dude, we're old. O and fuck. nineteen eighty I was in junior high school. I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking travel. Yeah, fucking travel. Yeah. But that's that's a freaky thing to think about how how we're in a different place in the universe. thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to I don't know I just just think about it Dude, you know how many miles I fucking traveled, bro? Yeah teen plus trillion trillion justust since Motley Crw busted out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at eighteen? That hada be nuts It's fucking bizarre, dude likeike I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine ha' The fucking I don't know. the keys to a fucking prettyrety much anything you wanted to do, try What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making Cheddar firstirst thing I bought was at was a fucking dream car. It was a fucking eighty two Corvette.. T top. Nice. T topops popped out What color? It was champagne cold. Oo, Nice. Yeah It was kind of silvery gold, kind of a. Yeah Fucking rd, dude my don' know when you were a kid In eighty two, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying Because in ' eighty two, they were still dope looking. But pull up a nineteen eighty two Corvette. Yeah, they're still like Mangs look like hot dog shit in eighty two. They look fucking terrible Terrible. Camaros looked like shit. everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah Like that's still dope today. That's the color I had dude. Look at that That's the one. Look at that. makeake that bigger Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. It's one of the only American cars from nineteen eighty two. that looks dope today Like pull up a nineteen eighty two mustustang H nineteen eighty two Mustang is going to make you want to vomit. I know a lot of people that are like fans of the Fx body. Oh no. lookook at that. What is that? C looks like a b.. That looks like a gremlin. It looks like straight horssehit.s whatever the fucking Russians did to us M st cars Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That That is fucking disgusting. That is dude. Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a nineteen sixty nine Bos twenty nine Mang. Here a go. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker. right Look at that. fucking. Look at the difference between nineteen sixty nine and that. fucking dog shit. He's a shitty too extxtended grandl the fucker. lookook at that thing. America That's a real car. But they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs and they all make garbage except Corvette Yeah Corvette still stuck with that style because Cvettes were fiberglass. So they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes, you know, they had those cool swervy lines to them they kept those. until Oddly enough, the nineties, they started getting shitty in the nineties. Yeah. Look at you Dg. Yeah, there it is. Look at you Dg. Wow, that's crazy. That's nut stupid. I wonder who's got that car I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's nineteen eighty two Corvette. Somebody They have to. You know that thing's still running Yeah, probably, hopefully. Yeah. Well they a lot of those they take them and make resto mods out of them now. They put like a modern engine and brakes and everything so they handle better and modern suspension.edi immediately fucking mee and my buddy just car and fucking put a Welcome blowered and an injection on it. is fucking insane dude in the glove box. This is before like now we have, you know a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know U you know, straight pipe shit loud as fuck. This is before that And we we made a couple of cutouts in the glove box, like if the cops are to come You just open the glove box and take these two' like choke levers and you pull them Pull them out. And the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers so just be like h And if the cops were coming, you just Push these two choke lovers in fter the mufflers they' all quiet do Yeah, they have switches for that now with lot of cars like custom made cars, they have exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes. Yeah Yeah, that must was going That must have sounded fucking amazing. Dude so rd. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like those are two things that are like completely connected forever Yeah, anotherother fucking rad car that I never got, but I always wanted to was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh yeah the big fucking pipes blown right J loudest fuck It like four inch exhaust, like yeep, dude, that shit' thrody and just tiny little c little fiberglass car. Yeah. Go cart with a four hundred twenty seven in it. Crazy power, no weight at all. It weighs nothing. Yeah. It just does burnouts the whole time. oo much. I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. but it freaks me out. It's like there's no protection here. If you get in an accident, like's like nothing to this car. You know. It's like you have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield. you're behind the wheel of an engine, justust a giant engine with four wheels. Yeah, you're done One badad move. prettyrety dope. Yeah super rd Yeah, like one of those likeike look at that fucking dude. I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sick of shit radical looking. it's Oh lookook at the flared wh The thing is too, they make a lot of recreations now. Yeah. the old ones are worth like millions of dollars. Dude, I know. Yeah. But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing.ure. There's a ton of recreations now and they're fucking great. And they look the same and it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who fucking cares? J drive it. It's awesome. Yeah. if you just look at thing. G bro look at That' slim. Carbon fiber. Oh my goodness. look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber Fuck let's. I must weigh fourteen pounds. Let's go get a couple, dude. Dude, who's making that Click on that link. Who's making that fucking thing Yeah, it probably is Why no, yeah, classic recreations. That same company that does those dope sixty seven GT five hundreds They're making a classic. recreations. a thousand horsepower. Oh dude. dude weighs two thousand three hundred pounds. That's nuts Thousand. But the body the carbon fiber body is only eighty eight pounds Unbelievable it's two thousand p two thousand pounds of suspension, frame and wheels and engine. and that's it L at that. That' sick. That's so sick. That's just straight trouble right there. That's gonna to get in trouble. Yeah or not or just enjoy yourself. Just fun. Yeahah. But it's America fuck ye. Fuck, I love those cars What else did you buy that? wasn't horse by now. Preposterous. Yeah. What else did you buy that's nuts Um When they first came out Um Me and my base player bought like almost fucking At the same time, Ferrari had come out with the testerosa. Miami b car Totally, dude. Yeah Yeah I had a car broker find me a black on black one. Oh man. And it was just like fuck. Okay This is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You byye. Fucking car for two hundred at the time, two hundred fifty thousand dollars for the Testarosa. get it shipped from it came in from Florida. to L.A. I'm pulling the plastic off the seat. This is brand fucking new back it down the fucking car carrier And I'm in the dudees' kind of show me, you know, what's up and I fucking I look in the you know to the right of the steering wheel There's like a L like looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up that where the stereo would be I open it up And I go Where's the stereo The guy goes. Oh, Ezo. believed that the music that you should be listening to. is the sound of the engine And I'm like Well, that's fucking radin everything, Ezo, but But bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking Cank shit loudest fuck here and breaking the speed limit. Like come on Who does that? And so I had to guy I got a stereo at the time there was there was no subwoofers there was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop There's no room too So you could you could get a bazzooka tube behind the seats R and some fucking, you know for subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors. Dent door speakers.. They're only decent back then. Yeah and had alpine receiver but. And I got it to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that like much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo. It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. but It did sound incredible. And I totally get it. L There should be sound those things make. This is just like it's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound the muscle carar sound the musclecar sounds my all time favorite. But there's something melodic about this Ferrari and just It's like just like it. Oh, there's a sound that it has it's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road and totally You know, bunjor no Wh. Yeah fuck Yeah, man. Oh Th those things are There's something special. And again, it's what is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's You know made into an engineering form. Yeah that we get to play with. Yeah Basically a race car. Yeah, you know Like a friend of mine we were talking about like Ferrar, do you think Ferrar is are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one? Yeah. No, trust me, they're fucking' worth it. Yeah. Like yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it really for a normal person. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that I think Ferrari fucked up on big time Is took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. Yeah they fucked that up. Porsche's the only one who kept it. They're the only one smart enough to realize like there's a part of the experience that you got a fucking the gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari. Yeah Yeah Bring it back to cut the shit. Yeah guys are silly Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released? Which one? The Ferrari That was dog shit Dude, they fucked that up.ardct. That looks like a joke. It looks like that looks like something that someone made to get engagement online. like it's fake, but it's real I know. I couldn't I was like It looks as this those nineteen eighty two Mustangs. Yes. It looks like a picture the Ferrari electric car. Oh yeah Look for our Look at it, dude It looks so boring. What? And so nothing Look at it even inside, you like this looks like cheap dog shit. Yeah Yeah I don't understand. I don't get it either I thought it was like a joke I know. you know, like, you know, like look at this. it's got suicide doors, which's kind dope. That's kind of cool. But you know what, it's really dope on a sixty five continental, Not on this fucking thing. Look at ugly you ugly fucking Monstrosity. That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites sixty five nors. Oh yeah. fucking. I know a guy who's got one for sale, That's a resto modoto It's a sixty five black convertible with the suicide doors and it's just don't It's mint and it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine and it's got fuckking into a perfect suspension and it looks so radical. There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the sixty five. The convertible my that's my jam Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah. You might as well be parking a yacht It's like a fusking boat It's so big. It's so big It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now I want you to pull up a Ferrari four hundred fifty eight Italia So I think the four hundred fifty eight is their masterpiece. I think it's the best looking Ferrari that they ever made. Yeah. There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the four hundred fifty eight It's just they nailed it. You look at that Oh my God, look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art. It's so beautiful. And it it's a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. when you drow also doesn't have a manual transmission which sucks a fat dick. but other than that, go back that last picture that you had of that one. Look at that one. Make that picture. Look at that color Oh, it's a shitty picture. but God, it's fucking beautiful Amazing. Those are beautiful. Now think of the company that made that Also made that go with that black one right there, where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh So Look how sick that is. Yeahep. And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released It you Thank you for doing that. How dare you. I bought an F eight the Tbudo. Oh, which is very very similar to and that fucking car No they make incredible cars. They make incredible and somehow or another less douchy than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like There's something about a Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated. you know? Yeah. Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like look at this douche bag. fucking meanewhile, Lamborghinis are awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. But why is that why are they like attached to I guess because It's kind of like I don't know I don't know, maybe rarappers or something started scing. I don't know started leasing too It doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious's more obnoxious. The doors Yeah maybe just like just too showy. I know I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrar. He's a rich guy and he loves Ferrars. I can't to l him Why not? He's like it's just I feel like a douche bag. Okay I'm like, okay. I know what you're saying,'s there's a real thing there, but I don't know why. becausecause Lamborghinis are fucking amazing. Yeah, they fucking too have an amazing sound. Oh different from Ferrari. higher winier, but but they bark. I mean. Like what is the latest Lamborghini They have some crazy new one that they just released last year. that It's insane It's as wide as a fucking trailer. It's huge. Era and I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini. Yeah, me either. I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose Um whichich one's that Temoreno I Temerario, Temerario. Alex Amazing Yeah, W. that's pretty No There we go. Hurricane. That's another six. Oh, the hurricane. Yeah That's a little smaller and lighter, I think Yeah, dude. It's also amazing. you give an eighteen year old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive. I know I know. Oh dude uck Yeah, Th those kind of cars will We'll definitely check you keep you in check too because It's not until, you know over one hundred miles an hour, getting closer to two hundred miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like It hits you. you go If I make one king tiny little error here It's over. It's over. It's over. Yeah. The motor' in the fucking back. Yeah. And if this thing runs into off the road or whatever It's just going to accord in R into me and you're you're you're done It's kind of amazing you just buy one You know, I thought about that now. like they have the new Corvette ZR one. It has one thousand horsepower from the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership. If you got the cash, slap down some money and you have a thousand hars per car that goes zero to sixty in two seconds. and you just go out there and like Be. just good luck. be safe. Yeah, like what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? Like that you don have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things? Totally. or just, you know Racetrack only, whatever. Right. But imagine you're an eighteen year old rock star. Here you go. Oh dude. You've got one. And back then the Corvetttses like yours, especially when you put a blower on it,, those fucking things had no traction control They had no anti lock braaks, There's no nannies. There was nothing to protect you. No. It was just madness. This is pure madness Did you ever take it to a track or anything? No, never did. Have you ever driven around a track? Have ever done that? Yes That's fun. Yeah, that is fun That is fun. I went to I spent some time at the Skip Barber school. Oh really? Yeah. I The Lver in me has to fucking learn about everything of the apex and study.. Likes there's a lot of Gld and you know, technical things about driving. Oh yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn at fucking a hundred miles an hour, you're going to fucking die, you know, I was like I was definitely going to spin out. Yeah learning learning how to do it was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize like the lines that you take. Yeah. you don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge and Cutting the lines to make a quicker time and knowing when to brerake and knowing when you would accelerate and it's so interesting. It's a lot, man. Very technical. Yeah. A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like No, no, no, no, there's a lot of decisions to be made. There's a lot going on especially on a really windy turn like this that's what Cota looks like. That's the track circuit of the Americas and that one is like there's so much to s and Yeah There' a long straightay you could really fucking get after it right? Yeah. And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot of times it's about the braking. Yeah. I mean, f Braking and turning. Dude it' like that's one of the things that I say like is really worth it about having money is like experiencing a great car Because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes Even though you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around. it's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it're like Yeah It's an amusement park ride. You know, it's not it's not just you're not just driving a car. You're You'reute experiencing something that, you know, the other people are if you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electra car, you're not experiencing that. No Yeah. No, no, you you're just grooving on the emblem Yeah ye Yeah, they got you Yeah. That could have been a hyundai easily. J I couldn't believe it. I was like they did not do this Well, I hope they rebound. Yeah. I hope they like smack somebody who made that and go, Hey, bro. They will. I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone and it fucking looks like it. No. That's what's got. That's why it's got on Pones. Yes. No. That guy's awesome. How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay. I would ask him before I even talked to him about him, Im like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an escort, like fuck you. Okay. get the f. Yeah All of a Prius. go eat shit, eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you. Out of the design room. cant You can't design a fucking Ferrar just because you made an iPhone. You're gonna make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No, it's gotta look like art, you motherfucker.' paying a quarter million dollars for this thing. And now a lot more I think the electric cars I want to say three three hundred thirty. I bet they're going to sell two Right. T retards. Yeah. Two fucking super rich retards are gonna to buy that fucking thing. Nobody gonna spend four hundred thousand dollars on this electric thing Yeah. Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking Yeah, I know. What the fuck you guys know. What is the the latest one, what is the the What is their main one now The sleek w's the advanced version of the four, five eight, likeike the one they have now like, what is it called? SF Oh was it called? S ninet S ninety. Yeah. That's what it is.. SF ninety. That thing's insane. Yeah Gorgeous. Yeah,. That's a gorgeous car. My favorite. How do they go from an SF ninety? They're selling that at the same time as they're seing selling the suanka junk? The SF ninety is one of the best looking cars ever. Yeah. It's incredible.e. We'll pull a picture of one of those, Jamie And you dude, have you've seen the body? I love the La Ferrari body style and the Lafer art. Yeah, that's it That's the one. Oh dude That's got some La Ferrari in the ass end. Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made John. on their website Yeah No, understand This is all the cars that they make and all the cars they like, that's gorgeous man. That is gorgeous to hit the laa Ferrari to at the Look at that thing. Wh. What is the F eighty Click on F eighty Oh my Gorgeous Gorgeous When this says all models They don't have the What is it what I was looking for I was trying to find it? I went to the website to find the newest car I know, but I think like some of them it's not the newest car. like might have been like last year, a year ago No, it's real, Jamie. just Google for o. I'm just saying just Google pull up an image of Ferrari twenty twenty four Ferrari SF ninety Rem'll see it. it is O the win That's a that's one that's like prime for racing, but you go to images, please? There we go That's it. So how does the company make that Like look how gorgeous that is. That's incredible. That's so beautiful. I know. How does the company make that and then that Johnn Ivy piece shit. Fucking thing. There was like three dudes, one dude like I guess designed the iPhone and there's a there's two other designers involved. They probably worked for Lamborghini The public They're probably spies. you know, they infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squires' Music video. Dude, that guy hass gotta be stopped that guy He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I can his stferrati Yeah, I can thank them. I took Ferrari. down withound One whack ass. like an electric car. I sold them a phone design. Yeah. just You know, that's what happens. Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart that are autistic around that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey No. Yeah, no it go What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went. What are we doing? I don't know how the f who signed off ever got green lit by someone at Ferrari. Yeah. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes,. Yeah U Fection. No no Nbody was doing that. I don't get it No, but you know ies make blunders. Yeah, you know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record. You know what? It happened. It happens It happens. I get it. I mean Ferrari still Ferrari, they'll bounce back but, you know, guys. They can always go, Hey, we're not in the electric car business. okay? We fucked up. Well, that's what they probably should because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them You know, like the Porsches, the Taicans, like Yeah those audies, like the audi ones that are just like a couple of years old, there you can get them like half priceed. Yeah. Nobody wants them. I know. Nobody wants electric cars, especially use electric cars. Yeah, that's weird. It is But if you think about it, like electronics we think of as disposable You know you don't want to buy someone's phone from ten years ago. No, no, right. So you don't want to buy a Tesla from ten years ago either. No, right? Beewile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. Yeah a ten year old Tesla. It's a fucking awesome car. Yeah. But you don't want it. Yeah. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. Y. Enggines, That's a different story Yeah, you know, like a two thousand five Porsche still very valuable. People love those things. Oh yeah. those things have gone through the roof Lately lik but the porsches. Yeah just know so many guys that are just like buying them up Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, People like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars, the actual experience of it. Yeah. you know. Yeah. It's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are going to want to see live performances more You know And no doubt, yeah. I think they want that experience, the experience of like raw live, something that makes you feel alive. something All about the experience, man All about it Are you you guys are touring again? Yeah, coming up mid July, we're out. How fucking pumped you for that? A couple of months. So pumped because I've actually the We've been home. We just we we did a big stadium tour. with Deff Leopard all around the world. That tour was twoo and a half years long. Do that's insane. So And I started to realize, I'm like, fuck I can't remember the last time I've been home with the with the break like we intentionally were like, let's just I can take a year. More than a year off and in Um It wasn't until twenty sixteen was the last time we had taking a taking a break Um So for me O It's just been fucking wonderful. I I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home And You know, going now going into summer now we're getting ready to go back out, but just having that time at home is really fucking cool. So I'm super p. The grass is always greener, dude Right you know, when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking rd. And then after a while you're like I'd shoot my own mom in the back. I sleep in my fucking bed You know. Yeah, you know, and then with then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here Right. You know, I got to go fucking goo do the shit. U So it's I don't know, it's a weird balance, you know, you're you're happy until it's too much and then You know