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The opinions expressed in the following episode do not necessarily reflect those of the Minds of Madness podcast Listener discretion is advised In february two thousand eight twenty year old Jeremiah Berry and his father Jack, led a flock of sheep deep into a Colorado canyon For generations, Sepherds had used the towering rock formations for protection keepeeping their flocks safe from the elements and predators Any coyote or mountain lion, brave enough to enter, had to navigate narrow winding passes where escape rs favored the prey, not the hunter D should have been quiet father and son working together in the solitude of the Cyon Jeremiah and Jack Berry didn't have that kind of relationship somewhere along the way Things had turned dark between them And on that day Deep in the canyon silence something inside Jeremiah finally snap Join me now As we unraveled the dark secrets within the canyon secrets of abuse. troue. and a father's disturbing influence You'll hear about a trail of evidence that would reveal the truth. Ab a day that took a sudden deadly turn A shocking confession, and a son driven to seek The ultimate vengeance Nestled in the southwest corner of Colorado, sits the quiet town of Cortz the heart of Montezuma County population of less than ten thousand, it's the kind of place where everyone knows everyone close knit community built on hard work, Tradition and resilience truly sets Cortz apart, is in its size The landscape surrounded by towering sandstone cliffs that stretch into the sky. Against the endless blue horizon They stand like ancient sentinels Holding stories of the past within their weathered cracks Although tourism plays a role in the town's economy, s core Cortez is a place shaped by agriculture place where lane still matters generations had made their living from the soil Racing livestock tending crops carrying on a way of life. That has long defined the region beneath the rugged beauty and quiet simplicity Dark secrets can still take root. In early two thousand eight Barry suddenly lost contact with his brother Jack Then months passed in silence Cs No letters . First told himself It wasn't anything to be worried about jacket always been unpredictable But as the week stretched into months That silence started to feel wrong by April The unnease had settled into something heavier feeling he couldn't ignore So from his home in Arizona the phone and called the state police Within hours, That single call set off a chain of events. One that would cross state lines leading investigators straight to the small town of Cortz, Colorado Jack had made his home Detective Cox of the Montezuma County Sheriff's Office was about to start a missing persons investigation And the first person he was going to question was the last person to see Jack alive. His son Jeremiah At first glance, Jeremiah Barry didn't fit the image of someone at the center of a police investigation. with a slim belt Wire rimmed glasses and hair pulled neatly into a ponytail He looked more like a graduate student than a man, being questioned by law enforcement There was something bookish about him an unassuming presence kindind of person you might expect to find tucked away in the quiet corner of the library When Detective Cox first started speaking to Jeremiah, the conversation was casual He asked him if Jack had given any indication about where he might have gone Assuring Jeremiah, this was just a wellness check They simply needed to contact his father to be sure he was okay Jeremiah didn't hesitate told the detective that his father's disappearances weren't unusual Jack had a habit of taking off without saying anything much about where he was going It was nothing out of the ordinary He's good at not being around where you need him So this isn't the first time or anything like this No I deadless all the time You always create some kind of incident and then a lie to go with it Last time he said that he got lost in a canyon and couldn't find his way out and then he broke his leg Detective Cox pressed further, urging Jeremiah to think back to the last conversations with his dad. Jack mentioned any plans, any place he might have gone For a moment, Jeremiah hesitated Damn Almost as an afterthought, he offered a crucial detail Jack and talked about a cabin in Montana You ever been to this cabin in my town O I don't know if he had See, I don't know because been there but he tells me he had account This is the first time anybody's called and said that he was missing Okay, why do you think somebody would call and say he's missing? I have no idea The only person that would care would be my grandmother Jeremi's reactions set off immediate alarms He wasn't just calm about his father's disappearance. He seemed genuinely confused about why anyone was concerned too him This was just Jack being Jack. His father had a long history of going off grad, disappearing for weeks at a time sometimes months without telling a soul And besides Jeremiah claimed The only person who ever noticed or cared about his absences wasas his grandmother Sandra? So when police interviewed Sandra Her instincts told her, something was different this time Somet was wrong And it was Jeremiah, her grandson who had unknowingly planted the first seed of suspicion Because the story Jeremiah told in the interview room didn't match what he told his grandmother Acording to Sandra Jeremiah had already given her an explanation for Jack's disappearance He told her Jack had run off with a new girlfriend Two of them had left town together Heed for Utah. That were true. Why was he telling police something completely different Did you know him to have any girlfriends or Is there anybody he would travel with that would come get him Yeah B her name Have you ever seen her or yeah Well surely She's from Utah. She So Stinny about hair up to hair, black hair I that's the only person that I've ever seen him drive a lot with or go with Detective Cox listened carefully to Jeremiah But he was holding back one crucial detail somethingomething Sandra told them during their interview. something just as troubling as Jeremiah's conflicting stories The last time Sandra spoke to her grandson, told her He was weighed down by a secret Once so dark, he warned that sharing might destroy the relationship forever A secret That would make his grandmother never want to see him again At the time Those works have been unsettling Now They took on a chilling new significance Jeremiah claimed he couldn't remember the name of Jack's mysterious dark haired girlfriend But his sister, Rachel, had no such trouble The woman's name was Joey, and she had a young son named Brandon pololice could track them down They might finally locate Jack assuming he was actually with them Given Jeremiah's ever changing stories One minute Jack was in Michigan. The next, he was patrolling the border Divs had reason to doubt this leap too then Rachel revealed something else Something that would take the investigation in an entirely new direction Save more on what you need to get the job done right. Right now, at Lowe's. Get fifteen percent off, select custom entry and interior doors. Plus, save eighty dollars on the D Walt twenty Volt Max two tool combo kit, now just one hundred sixty nine dollars. And at the Lowe's Pro desesk, bring us your materials list and get a quote in minutes. Handwritten, a photo, or even a sticky note is all you need. Keep your jobs moving faster and on budget At lows. Valid through seven eight while supplies last. Selection er is by location Have you ever considered surrounding your house with a moat to keep it safe? 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Berry family those walls didn't protect Ccealed nightmares truth buried beneath years of silence Darker than anyone could have imagined What seemed like a simple disappearance was about to unravel into something far more sinister Hearing questioning Jeremiah began opening up. describing troubling signs of his father's mental decline But even that, was only the beginning He was trying to work at the Ecelsiia opponent He was trying to work there for a while But then he started thinking that People were going to throw them into the machines and chop them up Why would you think that? Because he's crazy I when you said crazy crazy out me likeike he hears voices. God talks to they would just c say to them lots of things. God sometimes tells him to kill people And God says that the government's after him. And so there's wires everywhere Jeremiah spoke in vague terms about his father's mental state and capacity for violence his sister Rachel, reveal something even more unsettling She didn't just give the police the name of Jack's girlfriend Joey and her young son told them her father had murdered them both The revelations send investigators racing to find Joey desperate to confirm whether her father's claims were true But when they located Joey and her son B very much alive It suddenly became clear. Barry had made the whole thing up which only raised more disturbing questions Why would a father invent a story about murder Was he using false confessions of violence to control and intimidate the people around him The murder claims have been a chilling detour But with Jo and her son accounted for Detective Cox refocused on the real mission. Finding Jack And for that, he turned his attention back to Jeremiah aroundround the twenty third is the last time you saw him. he was We're at Eolog. He' on He was going to go check on a job. And then He left and then he came back And then I was out with the sheep and when I got back, he was gone Yeah it's. So just over the course of one day you saw him that morning and then he was gone by that night Jack and Jeremiah lived and worked on the same property, but kept their distance Jack stayed in a trailer on the orchard where he worked as a handyman Jeremiah lived at the Dg Hotel boarding kennel on the property he shred in living quarters with Elizabeth. the women who own both businesses, Jeremiah had moved in six months before Jack and might have played a role in getting his father hired at the orchard When investigators interviewed Elizabeth, her contempt for Jack was immediate and unfiltered That What she said next put her on the list of prime sauce packs. She called Jack a terrible person, a freeloader Kind them in who butcher livestock and roast them whole over an open fire without permission It wasn't just her disgust for Jack that caught investigators' attention. It was what she told them about his increasingly erratic behavior In particular, she described a chilling incident from late two thousand seven. Jack had, in her words Gone off the deep end threatening to kill his daughter, Rebecca, along with her husband and children that is rage with psychle Brief calm. followed by another violent outburst And each time His daughter and her family werest targets The only thing stopping him Broken down pickup truck. Elizabeth admitted, feeling so terrified, she seriously considered pulling the pistol out of her bag and shooting Jack herself And she wasn't the only one who was afraid of him Jere I confirmed that. His father had threatened the lives of his sister and others in his family Th threats had been very, very real He got in a fight with my sister, Rebecca because he told her that these Christian people paid her to wear a wire to record him And then that same day, That was he got a fight with her and then when he came back Th he threatened to kill starting to kill my mother My brother Johnny. My sister Richel, my nephews and my sister are Bck. and leave me and my brother Joshua Despite the disturbing details about Jack's behavior, Investigators were still no closer to answering the one question that mattered the most Where was he As their interview with Jeremiah continued, so did their suspicions his shifting stories position is the last person to see Jack alive. detached way spoke about his father. Midel suggested one thing Jeremiah was holding something back You know, we're trying to figure out where he's at and And why nobody seems to have heard from him. Mths now the No, I don't spe on that a little bit. I just know he has a girlfriend because that's always where he is making more chs. Jeremiah doubling down that a mysterious girlfriend picked up Jack have tried another tactic. How was your relationship with your d We get along Do you guys argue much or No. BeCause before that, I didn't really talk to him. I didn't s him five years before that ' I don't reallyish in a out of springs and then even my stepmother a divorce And she left and so then I came back with my mother I wouldn't say we're friends but we're not enemies. This is really not a father he just kind of comes and goes. So it's in Hong Kong. So you don't have that fatherly attachment to him When your dad threatened to kill you Your brothers and sisters in the mount, how that make you feel You m man Of course. I think you would make anybody mad, but I didn't think you were going do it Let me ask you this in your heart of hearts Would you believe that your dad would have killed them or could have killed them? you You may be my mother, but not the kids I own m. Why do you say your m? My d hates my mother Over the years, Jack Berry had built a complicated family tree, thirteen children with four different wives and girlfriends. tangled web of relationships that could have strained any father's son bond. But for Jeremiah and his father The divide ran much deeper, and this investigators would soon discover It wasn't just about family tension It was about control Far and something far more disturbing. Did your dad ever abuse you kids Yeah account disagreementally Like he would make fun of you. making of all of this and you beat the crap out of all of this are no actually that option. He beat the other chs but he even be step out of me Detective Ellis couldn't ignore just how often Jeremiah described his father as crazy But when asked about his own mental health, Jeremiah was quick to deny any similarities. He didn't hear voices like his father. He didn't struggle the way Jack did However, he did reveal That mental illness did in fact run in his family His grandfather had struggled too Sandra, Jeremiah's grandmother confirmed that His grandfather, Jack's father, was a man known as Reverend White Horse preacher but not the kind that led Sunday sermons or stood behind a church pulpit In the mid nineteen eighties, Reverend White Horse led something else. Devil worshippping cult One that practiced the unthinkable Ritual cannibalism ide we There's some more Jeremiah also revealed that his father just didn't follow in his father's footsteps He had embraced them and that Jack had been determined to pass the legacy on to Jeremiah They tell he is cannibal too. They thought he was, No he was He was How do you know this Every they meet people. Who does he make you eat Tech Mexicans are very illegal whoo kill them He did You actually saw him killing these people Yeah, Is think that I should help him How many would you estimate there were That Save more on what you need to get the job done right. rightight now, at Low's! Get fifteen percent off, select custom entry and interior doors. Plus, save eighty dollars on the Walp twenty Volt Max two tool combo kit, now just one hundred sixty nine dollars. And at the Lowe's Pro desk, bring us your materials list and get a quote in minutes. Handwritten, a photo or even a sticky note is all you need. Keep your jobs moving faster and on budget at Lows V valid through seven eight, while supplies last. seelection varies by location Searching Jack's trailer only added weight to Jeremiah's disturbing claims inside the cramped space Investigators found animal' skulls scattered across the floor It her in the corner adorned by candles and a hand drawn pentagram evidence of something dark Something ritualistic Jeremiah spoke with obvious distress as he described his father's attempt to pull into Satanism and cannibalism. But when investigators searched Jeremiah's own living quarters, They found something that told a very different story Among his belongings, investigators uncovered evidence that mirrored his father's practices. including his own drawings of pentagrams. which begged the question just how much of Jack's influence had really taken hold When you say he tried to make you help, how did he try to make you help I of love becausecause he was a meat cutter And he was teaching me how to cut him up So that it would be the most tender. You would have been how in n turn And do the kill him in the house where you guys live? Yes for thepment And how would we go about that? or he didn't killer in the house Where were you tell them I had no idea where he would going because I didn't know would go. but He would tell him that he would have them in the back of his truck I want you You would take them inside the house that next where we're to chop them up As disturbing as Jeremiah's claims had been, he wasn't the only one with stories about their father His brother had a memory of his own too A discovery so nightmarish it was impossible to forget. A memory of opening his father's fridge, only to find a woman's hand inside The nails were painted, jewelry still on the fingers a hand Svered, but eerily preserved. As if waiting to be claimed. So when you would bring them into the house, they were already deceased. It's a big, you know, it's a lot of work to handle a body like that. What? I mean, where would we store them? How would that work I wouldare they'd already be chopped up the sections you' never have to go help and carry it out And then what would you do? Let chop them up and put a little fzer Jack's ex girlfriend Joey had a lot to say about him police, she painted a picture of a compulsive liar. A man who couldn't seem to tell the truth about anything Over the years Jack had spun elaborate stories about his past. Claiming to be ex military CIA and almost consistently An not work job as a meat cutter at safeeway onlyn made the stories more disturbing giving him the technical knowledge to describe his supposed crimes of murders and dismemberment in convincing detail One memory troubled Joey the most. The night Jack brought home a package of meat Wrapped in paper. instead of the standard store packaging She remembered the taste. It was different Unlike anything she'd had before Dan when investigators followed up with Safeeway They made a chilling discovery The store never used paper wrapping Only plastic shrink wrap. desespite the disturbing stories and cryptic details One question still remained Where on earth was Jack The search of Jeremiah's living space only heightened investigators' concerns among his belongings They found his personal journals private pages filled with unsettling thoughts glimpses into a troubled mind One entry stood out scrawled across the page Frantic, uneven handwriting chilling words. Sill him. DeVeles knew this was his moment to push Leaning in He steered the conversation back to Jack His voice measured Delliberate Jerem might have think should happen to someone They were responsible for his father's disappearance This psychological tactic, known as minimization is a method designed to make suspects to suggest their punishment. Investigators create an opening At this point, admission of guilt feels less threatening and encourages a suspect to confess if Your dad's missing And somebody did kill him kind of punishment do you think that person should get M of what he did to them Oh So what would make it okay? or no life It wouldn't make it okay Bye you think that if someone went out and intentionally killed him they should deserve a second chance. I don't see anybody killing him if that And if somebody was, Yeah, I think had to deve a second chance everything. Deep down somewhere, you know what I just like to give him what he deserves But would I act upon it? No What Jeremiah didn't know was that investigators were already holding a crucial piece of evidence away inside his backpack They found his father's wallet. Discovery Every story told about Jack's disappearance started to unravel Jack had really walked away vanished without a trace. Why would he leave behind something as essential as his wallet Dives knew they had an opening armed with this new evidence the inconsistencies in Jeremiah's stories growing knowledge of his troubled past They decided to shift their approach Instead of confrontation They offered him a way out They suggested that anyone with his childhood Anyone who didn't dirt what he had might have eventually reached a breaking point Now All they had to do was wait and see if Jeremiah would finally tell them the truth Did he put you in a situation like that where he had to make a decision Yes And what was the ultimate result What you guys think Are you saying you killed your guy? Yes How did you kill your dad, Damma? I saw him. Where did you shoot him at in the head We're at O in the woods Years of abuse. Dark rituals and fear had shaped Jeremiah's entire existence But something happened that day in the canyon something that finally pushed him to the point of no return After everything, he'd endured After all the horror he'd survived, Why was that day different Was it finally shattered the last threat of restraint in his twenty year old mind. Here's what we do, now, Jeremi, you're dead was a rotten bad Okay And he didn't do right by you and your siblings Okay that we do know that. We know that the hell that he put you kicks through. Okaykay, That's what we figured out. We need to get this ironed out. I promise you it'll be better for you in the long run Right. Okay, so you shot your down, then what will happen And then I chopped them up with what with knes and hatchet. at its own terms Part of his body And then I just stress to another part. disposed of work torch that where at I invent After years of abuse, rage and very trauma Jeremiah had finally snapped And he didn't just kill his father. He unleashed on him. In a frenzy a pent of fury. He stabbed Jack's lifeless body over one hundred ninety times Each wound, telling a story of years of suppressed rage But once the storm passed, he became coldly methodical chilling precision. he disposed of the remains step by step. Encasing some bodies in cemand leeaving other parts for the coyotes. Whatever was left was burned ash until only fragments of bone remained T Sve more on what you need to get the job done right, right now, at Lowe's. Get fifteen percent off, select custom entry and interior doors. 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Selection d is by location Dectives now had the who and the how behind Jack's disappearance But there was still one question they couldn't answer Why What had happened that particular day in the canyon finally made Jeremiah decide to murder his father He told me there, but I told him when I was supposed to have a sex exchange so that way I could be his like wife because He wasn't supposed to sleep with women because he wasn't supposed to have any more children because he thought that were gonna to take his kid. and turn it into the antichrist The night that this occurred was a bate night And did he actually rape you that night as well? Yes So after he's finished, he puts his stuff down you get the pistol And you shot it Despite an extensive search, investigators were only able to recover Jack's hands, feet and head. the rest of his body was never found impressed about the missing remains