Reflecting on Justice and Future Proceedings

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It is Wednesday, june twenty fourth and he spent thirty years on death rope Kim Kardashian paid to get him. out of prison. now the state of Oklahoma is trying to put him right back And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ in what has been a thirty year Saga an ordeal and robes, they keep writing new chapters on this story for this death row former death row inmate. That's right. And yes, saga is a really good way to put it. We're talking about sixty three year old Richard Gossip. And yes, he spent nearly three decades on death row and it wasn't until last year, twenty twenty five, February, the Supreme Court of the United States overturned his conviction This is significant. And then, yes, just last month, he is released on bond. He walks out Of prison for the first time in nearly thirty years, Thanks to the Supreme Court and yes, thanks to Kim Kardashian. Who paid she footed the bill for him to get five hundred thousand dollars. She footed that bill. She is not the only celebrity who has been a part of this. I think Richard Branson is the other big name that I've seen, but a lot of groups are this isn't just an anti death penalty case. This is a case where a lot of people think this is a guy who is innocent who Robes was on death row for thirty years But when you think about how close he got to dying several times in that thirty years, that's the kind of stuff that'll give you chills about the death penalty in this country. Babe, he had nine execution dates. Think about that. The governor of Oklahoma. throughout the years, it wasn't always the same governor actually scheduled his execution nine different times. and three of those times, he nearly died. One of them, he was moments away. We'll get into that in just a moment, but he has been through If he is innocent Can you imagine what this man has gone through over the past three decades? Yeah, and as we talk about there, Robes, how close he's gotten to death He got close and he wasn't saved because there was an issue necessarily with his case where people talked about His innocence. No, these were technicalities and having to do with drugs and whatnot. But we will get more into that and how close he came including several last meals that he ate. But Robes, he was in court and the reason we're talking about this now is because he was just in court waiting for his fate to find out Robes whether or not they're trying to put his butt right back on death row The answer there is no. However. Crect. So he was trying through his attorneys to have this judge go back to the beginning of his case and actually have a preliminary hearing where they even They had to actually go over whether or not there was enough evidence to proceed with a trial. That's what his attorneys wanted. The state of Oklahoma said, Nah, the Supreme Court, yes, may have vacated his conviction, but they actually said he needs a new trial. And so the judge agreed with the state of Oklahoma and set a trial date now. And this will be his Gos of's third trial. He actually gave him the date of september twenty eighth. So just in a few months, he will go back court to face murder charges once again, but there is a difference. This time the state of Oklahoma will not be seeking the death penalty. They will be seeking life in prison But again, this is a guy. who didn't kill anybody, but he is the one who is who was credited and convicted for putting the whole motion whole highire murder for hire in motion and he got the death penalty. Robes, this case is a mess It's a legal mess in a lot of ways that have to do with prosecutorial misconduct misconduct evidence being withheld Robes, you don't have to be a lawyer. You can watch just a half a season der And you know one of the biggest no nos is withholding evidence from the defense. Of course he should get a new trial. Correct. And to kind of go through how he's now on his third trial, in two thousand one, his first trial was overturned because or the conviction was overturned because they ruled the gloss of didn't have adequate So he was retried in two thousand four where he was once again sentenced to death. And then yes, now in twenty twenty five, the Supreme Court overturned that two thousand four conviction, saying that there were trial errors and that the state used testimony that it knew was false. and that is the reason why he is now getting his third trial. Well And again, Ro, this is there was was a NapPU violation that they call it this is essentially if a prosecutor is up there and you hear your Your witness Give a false statement, you are under obligation to correct They didn't They call this a NAPU violation. It is a clear and plain as day. You know your witness is lying. You're supposed to correct it They did not. Yes. And it's significant because the witness was truly the only evidence that the state has against Glossub. So this all goes back to a nineteen ninety seven killing in Oklahoma City of best budget inn owner Barry Van Triese. Now Barry Van Trise was Glossip's boss. And so prosecutors say that Goss had a murder for hire scheme where he asked someone else, a worker there. His name is Justin Sneed to kill Van Tree so that he could take over the motel. That is the prosecution's theory. and that is what two different juries actually convicted him for that. He was the mastermind. So Justin Sneed, the man who actually admitted to beating This motel manager with a baseball bat, he is the one. He got a deal with prosecutors to get life in prison took the death penalty off the table if he pleaded guilty and then testified against Glossop Which he did, he took that deal Um And he is the only direct evidence of the direct link. Now they have Other type of evidence, circumstantial stuff, but the only direct evidence that they do have happens to be this guy. So it's not a stretch ropes to call this guy The star Witness. T. gave false testimony testimony though Robes wasn't directly related to the crime itself and what happened. This is fascinating the Supreme Court made this ruling that he his due process was violated for Glossop because this guy gave up G up there and the testimony in question had to do with his medical background. It had to do with whether or not he was bipolar and was on lithium Rose, I didn't think much of that, but the Supreme Court ruled if the jury had known about this background, known that he had a violent background, known that he was on lithium, known that he was severely had a severe mental illness, it might have changed how they viewed him as a witness. Rose, that makes sense to me. Absolutely. And look, Judge Sona Sotomayor She was she wrote for the Supreme Court in their decion I thought it was interesting how she put it. She said had the prosecutors corrected Sneed's false testimony, his credibility absolutely would have suffered. And this is what she wrote. That correction would have revealed to the jury not just that Sneed was untrustworthy, but also that Sneed was willing to lie to them under oath That makes sense. you know who dissented Thereere' Darpers Claimant Thomas dissed in this and his argument was it didnt it wasn't material to the case itself He said even if they had known all this stuff, it wouldn't have necessarily changed the outcome or changed how they viewed this guy. Okay, fine. But Robes, the guy got up there. It didn't sound like why is it that he was bipolar? have anything to do with him whether or not he's recounting the story accurately about the murder O Robes, if you're willing to lie to me on thoseath about the most basic make yourself look better. And they said they were billing him as a choir boy almost. The prosecution was saying, Oh he was just a sweet kid, didn't have violent tendencies and he would never have done this had it not been for Mr. Gloss. Wow. It's also of note, I think, just given all of that that the whole reason why Glossub's case ended up at the Supreme Court was because of the Oklahoma attorney General He said in twenty twenty three that he was going through boxes of new evidence and it basically persuaded him that Glossip was not given a fair trial. Now, he doesn't necessarily believe Glossip is innocent. He's not saying that, but he did believe that he deserved a new trial. So for the Oklahoma attorney general, To make that statement, that is significant And so he asked Scotus to stop Glossip's execution They stop the execution Um And Rob, we do a lot of these cases and executions in the country You got to have a fair trial. I mean This is no matter what, you got to have a fair trial. So he's still in he's out of prison st still Correct. He's living with his wife. He's got a bunch of stipulations. He has an electronic monitor. He has a curfew. he can't go out at night, a lot of monitoring going on. But yes, he is free until trial, which is huge. But yesterday was huge in that it was possible. this could have been over. Yes. Yeah, the judge goes say up, not enough evidence here or have the preliminary hearing He said now we're just going to go forward. So that's significant. Bro, September, this is going to be huge now. This has been thirty years. Will we finally get an answer and he will finally learn his fate ultimately? Yes because Justin Sneed is going to go back up on that witness stand and testify once again. This is certainly going to be significant. And so yes, he will have a third time in court fighting for his life. But when we come back, we're going to tell you about the three times Glossip was nearly executed, including the time It led to a seven year moratorium on executions in the state of Oklahoma One thing we've learned is that life doesn't always follow a schedule. Summer especially can be a little chaotic. Tvel, last minute plans, late night with friends. 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