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This is the hardest game that can be played in this tournament. All those players that playing that game will remember that game for the rest of their lives. Did you basically just call Lin O Mesessi, the James Milner of Argentina Un? This is a global production Hello and welcome to the Sports aggents. Now of course we're going to be getting into England today. No chappers, Nedham's coming on in just a moment and we're also going to bring you some inside Iel on Manchester City's new manager Enzo Morereskca. We're talking World Cup cult heroes as Cape Verdes Vazinia prepares to face off against the one and only Leonol Messi of Argentina. And with Mexico at the Aztecca up next for England, we're looking back on what happened last time The men's team played at one of the most iconic venues in world football Nada Vanua, how are you Super Gabby. how are you? Yeah, very good. I feeling Today Relieved actually They could leave Well, I I didn't believe. I'll tell you that right now know. I was starting to be a disbeliever. Oh dear dear dear. Do you know you always believe? Yeah, I always believe. some I don't know whet this is a good thing or a bad thing, but for me like Im first I'm not as emotionally attached to like the team being as successful. L I like certain players on a team and so on. but because in my life' been times wor we D declare we're talking about England C conongo, obviously. Well, we could have been talking about a different game, but yeah, that's a very good point. That's very well done. That's a very experienced broadcaster. But I think so when it comes down to these tournaments, I do find it quite hard to talk England in particular, becausecause being in England it means that people always judge them based on their own expectations and anxieties as opposed to relative to the rest of the teams in the tournament and so on. So all these issues are they've got a poor right back or it's a poor this or it's a poor that I say, well, talkaught me through Spain. Taght me through the N Germany Taught me through Germany. but Taught me through say what would Portugal like when they drew that game Nil Nil. Like a lot of teams have their issues. I think France and Possibly be Argentina, are probably the two that look a bit clear right now. England going through I watch I watched the game. I was watching the game and I thought they are the better side in this moment. They create enough chances to wherear more often than not. They will score one and if they score one they will score two And it happened and it's a bit boring to say because it's not really great for the storyline But in some ways it was unexpected, wasn't it? Something you said there as well resonates with what Harry Kaine said at the end when he's been asked multiple times, what did you say in your huddle? And he said, I told them that we have to enjoy this because other teams and he pointed to other team other teams look like they enjoy their victories. And I think he probably had seen Norway the night before and thought They're celebrating that, like they've celebrated, you kind of winning the semifinal. And actually what the point it was making was it's difficult to win World Cup games, knockout games. So therefore, instead of England pretending that they are the out and out favorites and they shouldn't celebrate until they win the whole thing, celebrate in the moment for that game Yeah. And then get your head down and get ready for the next game. Are you in that school of thought? Oh thousand percent, but I think one of the issues thatort of Harry has and other people have is the sheer number of celebration police in England is like almost infinite. So o see why they celebrating? They just beat the Archongo. Well what should they do? What should they do? They've just They've come back from one no down. They're a long way from home. A lot of time money, emotion, fatigue' been invested into this moment and they made it through to the next round. like Harry is talking about, the importance of going through those next rounds and he For as good as he is, I think another big asset is his experience. So when he says that, he can probably look back at times when he didn't enjoy the moment. But as we've seen through this tournament, every team is celebrating those moments. you had And Bapee when's come off the other day. Y Didio D shant bow to him like these are big moments that galvanized groups, teams, support staff, fans, everything. So I'm glad that he said that because I think he means it. He means it. I think people follow. And of course he's the story of the game. And he will know, as you said there, what it's like in tournaments when England have not been allowed to kind of almost show their emotions. But was there a moment at all in that game, especially in the first half where that old fashioned thing that we thought Garary Southgate had got rid of, that old kind of like cloak of the heaviness of the shirt. Did you worry for a little bit at all that that was there No, I didn't. And again Maybe this is one of my issues, I think in terms of this country side of things at times is I can be quite like told about things, I just watch it for what it is because come the end of the game. if you were P put it its way, if youort of watch that game as a neutral without all the history of England and some of the failures and stuff that they've had wouldould you see the game in the same way? And the thing is you probably wouldn't. And I think for those players and those who were involved on the field like Dar Congo did a great job to get to that position through qu going through qualifying some tough qualifying games and you know, in the group stages and to be here, England were creating enough chances to where I thought he was going to happen because the quality of play that they have, whether it's Kaye Bellingham or others is always going to give them opportunity. And I think for Congo to win, the conditions have to be perfect for them to win. Whereas Frngland, they don't. So I wasn't having those doubts as such. and I think realistically For all the games where they are the favourite and they are the protagonist. I think it looks a certain way, which maybe some people don't love. But they are the better team, they were the better team, and they won the game. and it's not really a surprise to me. And of course, it takes special players to keep England know out and when that attack was working actually quite well in the second half and and Passsey, the goalkeeper had some spectacular moments that were then acknowledged by England. Yeah, for sure. you know, to be You know, what this is bit like is like at the end of every season, say, for example, if we talk about the Premier League the goalkeeper that makes the most saves place for the team that's probably lost the most games because he's had to make the most saves because of the pressure that he's under. So I thought the goalkeeep was exceptional yesterday. I thought disappointingly probably could have done better for the Harricane first goal Given some of the saes he's made beforehand, but he's still a hero He's still a hero for that team to keep them in the game the way that they did and also look at the fact we're talking about who was the best player for them? we will say the goalkeeper. So what does that mean for how the game was really going? So yeah, there's a huge sense of pride for the way they competed against these superstars from front to back of England and you know on a different day maybe they get a better result, but for this tournam of football we can just find a way to get through the rounds as we've seen with them you know participate in the last two European Championship, Finals Gby. Eactly. and there always has to be one, For all that. and you have kind of just touched on it slightly England's defence, which is the area and right back is the area with Rice ending up there that is going to be talked about probably at nauseum over the next few days. Yeah, for sure. And this goes back to my original point where we judge England in particular according to our expectations, not the reality of say the challenges that will face them. because going to play against Mexico, which you know I'm so keen to talk about. Let's get on to it. Yeah, which Okay I'll be one second. I'll be one second. I apologizeise every audience so keen to talk about. You could say well it's not the best right back and so on and so forth, but they probably people could probably couldn't name five or six players left in a tournament that would cause England such significant issues that they will regret having a specialist there I think that position is part of the bigger process and I think they can make do with what they have and you know still be successful. Okay, Mexico at the Azteca. let's just build this up for what it is because I think, you know, a lot of people Oh, Mexico well know how hard can they well, how hard can they be when you're playing them at two thousand two hundred meters in a stadium that they have rarely lost in a home crowd who are beyond fanatical in a city that will literally not let England sleep in the twenty four hours beforehand to me is the hallmark of like, oh, it's the start of a great story about a successful run to potentially lift the whole thing because you traveled to that place and you found a way to win. And I think that's the result against D ArCongo Frngland is one which raises belief. evenven though people expected them to win, it's the manner in which they did it. the sort of fight that they needed to show to be able to do it against an incredibly competitive D AR Congo side And now all these issues that people are speaking about for Mexico who are, you know they've got the home advantage, they have the altitude. there's like the pollution in the air. you've got the fans who will be outside their hotels. L you still know in your heart of hearts that England are good enough to be able to overcome that adversity because the Mexico team is a veryery good team It's not one of the favourites for the whole tournament. England's still going to be arriving there in my opinion, as favorites and some of the issues in terms of attitude and something from a physical perspective, I'm sure for the influence and the money that England have, they've tried to probably put them in hyperbaric chambers and give them all these science to help them be able to compete to that level, but you still have to play the game. And I think if England are wise enough and experienced enough to just play the game that's in front of them, then I think it will be tough, but it won't be impossible. But I think we're sort of to a certain extent making it sound like it is impossible to almost protect the emotions of those that think it might go wrong. Of course. You know what I mean? Yeah But that again The England team, in my opinion is better than the Mexico team M have had really good moments, but they've not been great. they've not been perfect and they are making history if they continue to go into the tournament. But I love it just because if I was playing now and if I was playing at a World Cup All those players that play in that game will remember that game for the rest of their lives because the noise will be like, unlike anything else they've heard before. Most people have probably never played once in Mexico. They've never played to a crowd that have that level of passion, neverever played at altitude, never played in those conditions. And it's at a World Cup. This is peak likeall storyonic. Yeah, iconic. Well they Th these players won't been alive when Maradonna was busy beating England in a World Cup back in nineteen eighty six. But they will have been told the stories, you know, and they know their football folklore. And we'll get on to Maradononna in just a moment, but on altitude, if we can I know you've played when you were playing in the MLS, you've played at fairly high peaks, haven't you? L let me let me Correct you one of the few times I will correct you. It was not fairly high. It was high. Okay. It was high. It was I think it was thirteen hundred meters, yeah. Compare that to playing in the UK. It was high g. I went over there to join them after I signed And I was told by my fitness coach Henry that like it'll give you a few weeks to sort of get your legs under here, you know what I mean give you some time to adapt, and I was like, I'll be fine. Like I've played most of my life. this is nothing Gabby every day was a struggle for a very long time, a very long time and that was just not just playing That's how do you feel in the afternoon. How do you feel when you walk up those stairs just a little bit too fast I feel at nighttime, you know, these This altitude is a key factor, but only so if you've got a good team and for my rail Salt Lake team when I was there. Like I loved playing in the summer when we had a good side because you could almost guarantee that we were going to go on a winning run at home. We'd go through long spells and defeated because for many, also the temperature was like thirty five to forty degrees, which also helps But there's a point where people come over and they know it's going to be tough, but they can't predict how tough it's going to be. And as soon as the game starts to enter a phase which suits the team that have their physical advantage then you start to see the suffering from the opposition and some teams would suffer to a result It was never as simple as they anticipated and there was a sense of like ego like, no, it will be fine, I will be fine. As if you've ever been altitude, you're fine until you're not. And at the moment you're not. You can't look to the side and ask for help because the opposition going to be right on top of you. I haven't performed in a sporting sense at altitude, but I did do the Inca trail. so I was up in Machu Pichu whichich is obviously the Andes. And yeah, like you say, everything is affected. Every single thing is affected, isn't it? in terms of your bodily functions and how how you digest and but they're presumably, as you say They're in and out for one, so you can't even acclimatize in a day. There's no point kind of even thinking about that. But they' have done whatever they can with hyperbaric chambers and you know exercising with oxygen masks and you know to try and give them a sense of what it is going to be like. Will they? Will they at all try and alter the game plan? Well too cool. I think they have to. I think they have to. and I think they have to certain as well. I think they have to just because If they make the game a high paced game, it will not suit them Let's not say that Mexico that is the only way that they can play because that's obviously not the case. But for England, if they're going to go and press high and press high early Are they able to maintain it? The likelihood is that they won't be able to. So maybe this is a type of game for several reasons, not necessarily just because of the altitude, but from a noise standpoint like these players Most of them will probably never have played in a stadium where the amount of jeers and whistling and booing that will be given to them every time they have the ball, you know, like that that's such a rarity. Like we could be I've played in some games where you could be ten meters away from someone and you're trying to give them information and they cannot hear you That's what this game is going to be So in terms of understanding your teammates, understanding how to the correct decisions to make in a game, trying to manage it. I think youre Fland get through this test tick in like a lot of boxes because I could make the case. I could make the case. This is the hardest that can be played in this tournament because you are playing in away game. Like you're playing you could play the US, you could play Canada, but the way that the Mexican fans are, the way those conditions are make it so that like this game is incredibly unique, but I still believe England will find a way to do it, but I'm looking forward to see how that is except for the fact it's one in the morning Yes, we need a plan. I don't know. I can't decide whether I'm going to go to bed at nine and set an alarm because if I try and stay up until one, I'll start snoozing and then I'll thenen I'll be grumpy. that. We cannot have you grumpy can't use alcohol, you know, it's not a time for trying to you know drinkk your way through tequila What about to Ka Slamers through the evening just to try and get talking about for England team or for you, that's the thing. One of the descriptions I heard about what it's like to play at that kind of altitude is having a plastic bag around your head. And that stayed with me. That kind of because you think, oh my gosh, that's so it is suffocating, I guess, that feeling you just can't get enough air into your lungs, there'll be oygen tanks in the changing rooms weren't there for them a half time. The drinks breaks, even though it' only be around, we're seeing twenty three, twenty four degrees will be very, very gratefully received. I imagine. Y Yes.. Yes. This is true. And to be fair, that bank analogy I see it now. now that now that you've said that, like I I felt that before Obviously, because we had altitude when I was playing in MLS, it didn't mean we were going to win single game because we still had to make the game our type of game But I think with the quality that England have if they show enough like personality on and off the ball and character and have a real genuine belief and understanding of what they need to do and they stick to the plan It will be tough regardless because for Mexico, like the football culture in Mexico is E to them. That's why they'll be outside England's hotel room, playing drums to whatever time in the morning. Like we're thinking, oh, do we stay up to one to watch the game? They're staying up to like two or three in the morning just to play drums outside like the opposition's hotel. So again, it's an incredible moment and I think it says a lot about the passion but also the story that will be written should they come out on the other side of it So let's go back down you know the history books in nineteen eighty six and that World Cup where England had two experiences of the Aztecca. They beat Paraguay there three nil And then in that was in the round of sixteen, then in the quarterfinal they came up against Argentina and in Argentina with Maradona who were South America's team I mean, this was, you know, this isn't just playing a country in South America. They were and he was an icon of the continent Yeah, this It' you know what eighty six? I've got this sort of like subconscious bias towards nineteen eighty six and maybe I dont know what? it's because I was born in eighty six. So I wasn't alive for this In terms of that sort of football history and, you know just loving the game, looking back at all those at the time, VHS is of World Cups. which then turned to DVDs of the Wld Cups, which now turn into YouTube shorts of World Cups. You know, you can see how significant game in that era was because for somebody who essentially in Diego Marona to have cheated a nation also scored the goal of the century in the same game. I think it says a lot about his legacy and how some people look backad because they go Maredononna was a God. It was a god not just to Argustina. The fact you said for all of South America is remarkable in itself because you will never really find that level of love from a continental standpoint. becausecause mariadona being successful usually comes at the expense of those who are in the surrounding areas, those who have the same aspirations Yeah, the hand of God. The fact we're calling it the hand of God almost spins over time like it's a positive Oh it had to be Diego. He is a God. everything is great. Like I've recently watched a France documentary on Netflix about Raymond Dominic and the qualifying through Tiar and R's hand, That was not the hand of God. I remember against the Irish. That how was perceived in two very different ways, but it's such an acc. Eespecially I mean you could still talk to Shay Given about that they're not over it. No. and I understand it and understand that completely. and I wonder how many of the players understand that sort of history of the Aztecca, understand the history of You know, that game and I just can't imagine that Jude Bellingham's dad has not sat down with him at some point. And you know, I don't know, is he how old is Jude Bellingam's dad? He's probably Yeah probably like it's probably not too far from my age. so he was like Yeah Yeah, I remember it really. His dad told him. his dad told him. I love it though because like history has been made there like for real football in history, you know, with that moment from Ariona and just that worldup itself generally And I cannot express enough how excited I am about this game, not necessarily just from like an English standpoint, but You can see the story I can see what it means like if Mexico win that's one of the biggest results in their history in that stadium England win. It's one of the biggest wins they've had at any World Cup that could potentially propel them to go a lot further. And again, you know, for those who are into the football history side of things, on that very field We've seen the goal of the century from Diego Maradon, and without that and without him, maybe someone like Messi, for example, wouldn't be perceived the way that he is today by the Argentinian team. But there is a difference in the way he is idolized, isn't there? It's just ever so subtly, I don't know, there's something Is it because he's so clean cut and he's so perfect in every way, it seems, you know, with his beautiful family and his very decent behaviour. and he doesn't get into any scrapes.'s not associated with, you know, particularly bad behaviours, his weight doesn't fluctuate. He's just kind of perfect, isn't he? Cookie cutter perfect, messy. And there's a flawed genius to Maradonna. Does he resonate more D D did you basically just call Le Omessi, the James Milner of Argentina Un? Is this the comparison we're talking about on sports agents today? You, it's interesting you say that because speaking to like working around the world and so on you get a chance to speak people from different countries and you see how they perceive certain people And through our lifetime, it's funny, because at one stage, Messi was perceived as a failure in Argentina. because if you not it the vast majority of his goals have been in the last two World Cups you know, by a country mou. So some of those other years were like the magnificent failures of somebody who could never emulate and have the same level of importance As Marredononna, this is Messy, I believe that retired from international football as well only to come back. Exactly listen, sometimes you just need a break. but then he's come but then he's come back And he's an icon. He's in that team and all those players adore him Everyone in the crowd adores him. You could argue so many people from around the world adore him And the way that he does it If you saw him, he just looks like this normal guy that's just walking around the place. his humility But then he's almost like golike presence coming together is something that shouldn't exist. And I think for Maradononna, the way that he was suited the moment I think the way that Messi is now suits this moment because with Messy, you have the comparisons to Ronaldo and you have people making real big cases that he shouldn't be in the team because he's too old Nobody mentions Messi's age until he does something good and then he say, look how good he is because like at this age wasas Ronaldo was like, Well, he didn't do this, Well that's because of his age. Messi is like He's a God, the way that he in football, the way he sees the game is very unique to him. And when you see that level of like uniqueness or whatever the correct word is, you think of L likes Maradona and without Maradononna the adoration that he had. I don't think Messi's adoration would have been the same and maybe for even for all the quality he has, he would have been moved on from the Argentina scene much longer ago when you he wasn't scoring the goals that he was expected to at the World Cup. I think when you look down the history of World Cups, there always emerges in every World Cup an unlikely World Cup hero and in Argentina and Cape Verdy coming together. We have one of those, Venia, the goalkeeper for Cape Verde who has made some spectacular saves and has become an icon and has grown from a kind of tiny fifty thousand Instagram following up to I think the last count seventeen point a half million. And right you know so. Yeah. I mean this is what the World Cup could do for you, influencers prractice art. How you do ye and and that is going to and they're going to Messi's house, you know, they're in Miami. This is this is where he plays his club football. So, you know the whole of Argentina will be there, but also Cape Bird will will be there as well And it'll be it'll be some coming together, won't it? it could produce another Great iconic welcuut moment Listen, it very much could do, but I feel like Vazinia's momentum might be dying after this game if we're going to be completely honest. I think they've been inccredible on that time when he helped when when he helped keep that clean sheet under You know, it wasn't even about the performance. You's said the end of the game when you see tears streaming down the face of somebody who most of us don't know. like his teammates know him. the people from the country know him. We don't know this guy's forty years old. nineteen eighty six, by the way, it's all connected. It's all connected And it meant everything to him. There's something about these World Cups where you're reminded for as much as you have people who aspire to win the whole thing, you have people who aspire to just have a moment there And they represent far more people than we realize. In Voenia an icon for for Kate Verd. and I'm sure today after the game's done iss going to be asking for a messy shirt the same as everybody else. But I've just got this feeling it's going to be picking the ball out of the back of his net once or twice, possibly a few more times. Does he ask him then when he's picking the ball out the net? Yeah it's tricky isn't it? It's tricky. I suppose this is maybe when the seventeen million followers like say, Ohh, do you want to do a collab post? Let's swap shirts. I' hold this so you can say you want to tag you Leo. But you know, it is interesting with Vazinia because there are there' been so many other like iconic players and moments across all the different sort of worldorld Cups and For me personally, you know, whether it's looking at the likes of being born in Nigeria, it's the likes of like Roger Miller. Yeah or Rer Miller was I the one that sits out for me from nineteen ninety. Exactly, or like Yikini in ' ninety four, first golf in Nigeria, at a Wocup and that's the Wcup that I remember more so from a Nigerian perspective, but the one I sort of that sticks out the most in my mind was the one in two thousand two because I I'm revealing my age a bit here, but as a positive, I'm going to use it as a positive. I'd just been given like break to do my GCSEs, and that's when the World Cup was beginning. And in doing so, I'm watching that one in South Korea and Japan with time and seeing say Papa Buba Diop and that Senegal team and seeing them win against France Papa Booby upop that you know died six years ago with muscle neeuron disease, I think it was. Around that time from two thousand two, I would then make my debut in two thousand four and the Premier League is now full of a lot more Senegalese players. And I know that there would have been a springboard from seeing them play at that world that World Cup. And what that result means to them is's still probably one of the biggest results that they've ever had and to see him score. Through a chaotic goal, the ball drops his feet dance and celebrating the corner at the time We mentioned before about celebration police. L when people score goals like that and celebrate the way that they do, the celebration police get muted on their microphones because nobody cares. realal enjoyment. so they were beating the World Cup holders as well and that was that was even more, you know, if you beat Senegal obviously played France in this World Cup. if you you beat the current France team that P probably means you're going to win Wor Cup in this World Cup. Yeah exactly that's. But that was yeah, it was a beautiful moment. and in a continent they never hosted the World Cup before. It had so many ingredients to be a moment in time, didn't it Kep reminder to catch up on our previous episodes on YouTube, Global Player, or wherever you get your podcasts, and make sure you subscribe or follow and leave a review while you're there. After the break, Gillan Balligay on what makes newew Manchester City mananager Enzo Moresca tick Granger knows when you're procurement manager for an office park You're not managing one building, you're managing all of them. And to stay ahead, you need to see through walls and around corners Light's about to fail, filter's ready to clog, HBack on its last leg. If you wait until something breaks, you're already behind Count on Granger for quality products, easy reordering and twenty four seven support. Call one eight hundred Ganger, click Granger. com or just stop by. Granger. For the ones who get it done Ezo Marresca was always Manchester City first option from the moment he became available. There were two people who recognized earlier on that he was a manager capable of handling a club the size of Manchester City while continuing the legacy of Per Bortola. Former director of football Chiki Becketein, himself. Chickki has been heard saying that if he had to start another project somewhere else and Pb was not available, he'd go for Enzo Buardiola, who was asked about his replacement once he decided to leave City, remembers very well the first time they sat down to talk football. Pep had different categories of greetings for the many people who wanted to visit him, from a simple handshake to staying for lunch after training. With Ezo Launch became a coffee And another and then another and then hours of conversation to the point that everyone else had left by the time they finished Andso did a great job as Manchester City under twenty one manager winning the league for the first time. and it was PeP's choice to make him his assistant during the trouble winning season, even though he knew it would not last long because Ans's objective was always to learn more about the methodology Plied as a number one After that season, EnO received offers from both the Premier League and Leicester City at the championship Ped suggested he chose the Premier League because it is so difficult to get out of the championship Porenzo was not afraid of the challenge. and the rest It's history What has Anzo Mareresca been doing since the turn of the year? Mostly Resting, actually, in his house, in London with his family But there were also trips to the Maldives, Salerno, Marbeia, He's done AI courses, He's been reading dis cards, this course of method He spent hours Tal in sports and leadership with volleyball coach Julio Easco and basketball man Etor Messina, two geniuses of the trade And as always, it's been watching games, obsessively studothing how the tactical game is evolving But the moment his next move was confirmed, he went straight to work alongside Oobiana, making some changes in a squad that has got a lot of potential did not win the league the last two seasons and need to improve in Europe. He's not just a head coach, He's a manager in the Buardiola Mld That means Full power over play decisions, style of play, the entire technical stauff. He is the boss Where does's footballing identity actually come from? He learned a lot from Mancellotti He was his manager, Pellegrini, he played under him as well and then assisted Pegrini Vesam. but his mind blew up play at Sevillia. He remembers one specific where theol' Barterona game where he steamed Sevilla barely touched the ball That's the moment positional play got under his skin. Fom there he obsessively studed Guardilloas Barcelona Bay and city What's interesting is that he doesn't see positional play as fixed, same as Guardiola He says it. as evolving, moving, transforming itself, constantly adapting. And he's obsessive about detail because for him, that's where the gap to the elite actually leaves. How does she work day to day? Long days, early starts, late finishes But sure meetings, ten, fifteen minutes, brief videos And more importantly, no rigid routine. His whole philosophy comes down to one phrase, read the moment of the team. He adapts training around the calendar, fatigue, emotional state, competitive load. Some days it's all video, S days it's freedom of a meeting. Some days, tactics get compressed into a single session. Andjo Marz come can raise his voice of Nippy Analytical Meticulous but never dogmatic He knows what he wants But having been a player, he reads well. applyers need to So fascinating insight there from Guillam Baliget on Enzo Moreskca and how has he has grown and how he has found, you know, the things that kind of stimulate him as a football manager and where he's found his methodology, I guess. Did you know all of that already No, I didn't to be honest. and through everything that reported and Geam was sort of alluding to there as well. The thing that stands out the most of me from a perspective of somebody who does support Manchester City like I will put my bias straight to the front Is isn't the fact that Se Guadola likes him, is the fact that she could G a stein likes him I think shei could Gistein in terms of like important figures at Man City. He has been as important. you could argue maybe more important to city across his time becausecause he helps Quadill to be able to be himself. and to express the way that he wants to play and the way he wants a football club to be. And his judgment, if you look at people who've worked alongside him, they trust him anything and everything and for him to believe that Moreresca was the right person to replace somebody who is an icon in Guadiola for the club. I think that's very, very significant. So I'll be interested to see what he's like when he has sort of raange, but then also I like the The fact that his approach isn't as rigid as some people would have it seemen When he's talking about some days is this, some days is that previously Yeah, previously in terms of you know what I'll make the point. I'll say Italian football culture. It can be very, very rigid. In terms of this is how we do things and we will not busush from that. This is like the culture that we have. We doing them well on the world stage. isn't it? Do you know, I can't even say anything because they wanton the Euros. Like the fact that they' global stage though. I'm sure they'd quite like to have been at a World Cup in the. Yeah without question. three withithout question. But this is That's an interesting point and I'd love to talk about that in the future as well because there are questions being asked about the Italian way, not least of all by one of our peers in Cess Fabrias guess questions, whyy do you not sign Italian players It's because they only know how to do one thing and play one particular style and he doesn't believe that is the future as such. So from Rasket to 've been under Guadriola been the placeac he's been to, had the career that he's had and to understand that, you know you need to be adaptable It' which Guem said it reads the room and the mood of what is needed that day, you know whichich is very hard when you've got you big squads with lots of different personalities. But if it doesn't suit everybody all the time, but some people are getting what they want when they need it, that's kind of the best you can hope, isn't it Because you you're not going to get what everybody needs every single day And I think so it made me think wider about management. I thinkin about management in the BBC and management in kind all kinds of places that I work thinking that's such an interesting philosophy because it really is also saying I don't know every day what the right thing is. you know I'm going to learn as well and adapt. and adaptability, I think is Very underrated quality. I think that's the biggest thing because adaptability, I think comes alongside a sense of humility as well. becausecause there are some people who will tell you that they know the answer to everything And the moment you see that they don't You'll never see them the same again And I think from his time in terms of what he was at Chelsea, there were certain things which he said which I didn't really like Initially was when the squad was massive and he was asked about like, what does it mean for stterling and these guys? He says, Listen, my father's a fisherman You know, he has a tough life. Th players not tough life. I didn't really like that too much. felt a little bit insensitive However when he then left Chelsea Look at the way that Kais Sedo, Fernandez and Kucarea and other people like this speak of him. they speak very, very highly and they say that he should never have left. And I think when you see players of that influence have an affinity towards a manager that from the outside probably wasn't seen or respected in the same way that those players with in the space did it. that it means it's more than just the tactics means there's a person in there that you know can manage and understand those types of players. And I think going into a place like City Like that man management side of things will be very, very important because the tactical like intensity of lac and bardiola might never be talked. But if you have your tactics and you also have the personable side and I'll go a long way. And Sometimes as well for those players, even though they will have loved working with Pp Guardiola, a change can be good, can't it And it can refresh everybody Let me. Without trying to sound negative, I'm just trying to be realistic here. every play would have loved working under Pck guuiola. I think every player would have respected him, but every play would have loved him because there were tons of players who weren't getting picked on a week to week basis. But that counts the same for like a vegor Slex Ferguson, like a cl opp an aretter. And because you know like there aren't many players that willll be out the side that believe that there should be out the side Everyone believes they should be playing. So I won't love the manager that's not picking me. But I think from Guardiol's standpoint The respect that he had in the football, which he brought out some of those players is very significant. and I think from a Chelsea perspective, Mereresca did a better job than many people anticipated, not least of all because he came, I believe, from Leicester City. And that he did such a good job at Chelsea that most people forgot that he was a manager in the championship not too long ago. So it wouldll be interesting to see how he performs But you're overall approving of that appointment. Listen, if I could go back in time, I'd go back to Guadriola's second season and just relive those previous nine years, but unfortunately things have to change Gabby so I am app pleased that somebody coming in has been there before. and I don't expect them or to be as successful, say they have been in that time But I think if Chiki Big Gerestein likes him I think he's got a good chance of being successful. And change is afoot again at Nottingham Forest. Perira apparently gone, Well he has gone, but apparently it was under pressure. We didn't Wh knew? Who knew? And Glasna is the man being tipped to replace him. So that'd be five managers in a calendar year I believe since last It's impressive. Yeah ' going And you know what you're getting into there, don't you? And you're going into a certainly what should we call it? a volatile work environment? Yeah. It cly it certainly is that and it sort of raises the question a little bit about what Glasnar was looking for from when he was leavingry Laving Palace. and I think He's He was P' most successful manager ever in terms of the FA cup win. you will even throw in the community shield and in a conference league last year. Those are the best years as a football club that they've ever had. So Glass is leaving for what sort of reason? Well it's going to stay in the Preier League It's going stay over place their peers a little bit less stable You know, he's going to a place where Was Who was it that Forest had the issue with in terms of going in Europe? Was it not a palace? Yes, it was yeah. So they swpped places effectively and So' issue with that Yeah as well It seems like a strange move, but there's something which Maronacis and others have offered, which he clearly likes and maybe it's the ambition because in fairness to Maronachis Fris Crazy he comes off at times. I think he's a very, very ambitious owner but it's just not necessarily found the right person yet they can possibly match it. So. Good ls Glasow. Interestingly, there was a clause, a mutual get out clause which expired on the first of July and the email was sent to Pererera just like moments before Thatores expired, yeah. Who who had