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Nice work if you can get it, notot clear if he's been paid in money or bullion, but I'm sure we'll see. Intriguing that Farage is getting ahead of the idea that he might have broken the rules and be forced to fight by election over it. There's a whole murkiness around really how transparent he's been about the money he's earned. He knows that he can't go into an election really with this sort of financial complexity. He knows that, you know, endorsing gold bullion, you know, being a brand ambassador, you would' want to be PM, you know, you're not Jude Bellingham. He knows really, deep down, I think that That isn't going to fly, whichich again speaks to me that he hasn't necessarily it's just a possibility that he hasn't truly made up his mind whether he's going to fight that election When you're in politics People laugh at this. But there's no money in politics Oh their money if you're straight Right. if you corrupt this pro for buing a straight power. There's money in politics? That was Nigel Farage just before he was elected in twenty twenty four But miraculously, it seems there is actually money in politics. Forget the five million pound donation for a moment. There's also the five mortgage free homes he has, only two of which are declared. and then there's the littleittle matter of the gold bullion It at Night offarrage finally come clear about his finances. Welcome to the News agents The news agents It's Mateless. It's Louis. And here's a question to kick us off with. Would you buy gold? of this man How can you better your pension? And I say that because most of us have been very disappointed over the last few years about the returns on our private pensions. Well, I bet no one ever told you before that you can put gold into your pension and that it's been producing returns of over ten percent a year, year after year after year If you want to be in on this secret, it's all here. Direct Bullions's Gide to how you can buy and put gold in your own personal pension. Protect your pension Nest egg by clicking the link, filling in the form, and finding out more I thought think you' could going to say John Soopel. Would you buy gold from this man? He's more sort of the commemorative coin kind of thing, isn't he? He's getting there. He's getting John Soop little later in the programme. Indeed so this is though part of the latest I think it's fair to say strand of complexity to Nigel Farage's financial affairs. Unusually complex complex I mean He's raking it in for an MP. that complex, actually incredibly simple. He is loaded. So let's just go review exactly where we now are He is one of the highest earning MPs in Parliament He's now declared more than two million pounds in outside earnings since entering the Cons in twenty twenty four. He presents on a little known television station, but he also does paid speeches, social media promotions, cameo videos, commercial endorsements, and consultingency and ambassadorial work. This would be quite unusual for any MP even about bench MP, there are some high earning MP's normally in professional mean I think he comes second to Rishi Sunak. Yeah ye. And when you're coming second in the money stakes to so Soonak and to be fair to Sunonak I think he actually gives quite a lot of that away to charity. But anyway, yes. he's obviously particularly unusual for a party leader and a party leader who says he's most likely of any of the party leaders to become Pime Minister The latest ones we've just been hearing there He is a paid brand ambassador direct bullyion So literally a Gld company and we found out this week that he is being paid two hundred seventy thousand pounds For roughly twelve hours promotional work over three months, that is around twenty two and a half thousand pounds per hour. Nice work if you can get it, notot clear if he's been paid in money or bullion, but I'm sure we'll see. And he's received nearly seven hundred thousand pounds. from direct bullying. Overall And as you can hear in that video there, he is being used and emblazoned across Direct Bullions's promotional material, their website as an endorsement and key political endorser of their business and the idea of using gold. promote your pension. We'll tell you a little bit about Durick Bullyion because it's always good to know It was found about a decade ago and it sells phhysical precious metals as what the name suggests Gold coins, bullion bars, silver, And it doesn't really reveal very much when you go and look at the filings at compomanies's House because quote, Direct Bullyan is too small to publish full detailed accounts All that we have shows that the net assets of two point six million It's only about four times the amount. It has paid to Nigel Farage to date So they decided that literally a quarter of their off their earnings would go to Farage Oh, it's nice work if you can get it. He also has, of course there other complexities, he of course has become increasingly associated with crypto investors. and as we know, this goes to the central political issue. which has or donation issue, which has started to affect his politics, which is the five million pound gift, personal gift from crypto billionaire Christopher Harbourne before he entered Parliament should say that The rest of the stuff that we're talking about, including the gold buller money, it is fully compliant With parliamentary rules, it's all being disclosed and so on. there aren't any limits on outside earnings for MPs and so on so that's all within the rules. Obviously the crypto donation or the crypto gift that was given to him, which initially said was for his securities, Th thenen he said it was a reward for Brexit. Then he said it has nothing to do with it with us. and if he wants to buy a load of Ferraris with it, then he can That is now subject to a parliamentary inquiry, which very intriguingly in the last twenty four hours, Farash has posited the idea that he will be forced to fight a by election because the commommissioner and the standard the privileges Committee could come back and say that he has broken rules. So already intriguing that Farage is getting ahead of the idea that he might have broken the rules and be forced to fight by election over it. Yeah, I mean, depending on what the parliamentary commommissioner finds, if there is a breach, first of all, we don't know if there's an actual breach, but if it's deemed significant enough to be a suspension more than nine days, then Farage would face a recall potentially and then he would be forced to face a by election. If the commissioner finds that there is a breach, but it's you know deemed less serious, it could be a suspension of mere nine days in which case Farge would not have to fight any recallpetition or any by election. We should maybe just talk about the houses as well because Nigel Farge and his partner have managed to build Property portfolio, we think of around four million pounds over the last decade. Again, nothing illegal about that curious that from their five homes which the timees says span, Surrey, Essex and Kent And all but one were bought with cash since twenty twenty Only two of those homes have been declared under the land and property section of the Register of Mmbers interestnterest. So two out of the five declared. And as you say, Lewis, it's It's certainly not prohibited to make money. You are allowed to make money and a lot of people would listen to this and say, well, he's probably actually made from Gold buullion what a lawyer would make in an hour. You know, it's a sort of it's a very dramatic way of kind of getting your money, but it's probably no worse than a lot of other people who've worked in sort of slightly less glitzy roles than this. But I guess what we're talking about really is A, what has been declared, so there's the transparency question and Ferar certainly seemed really uncomfortable L week, when he was being asked about that five million pound donation, which he claimed was for security, and asked whether he had spent it and asked what he'd spent it on. Nigel Farraage, please what has happened to this five million pound gift U with all due respect, what hass it got to do with you Well, because it speaks to the position of you holding off It's initially we were told that it was because of your personal security and it would pay for that for the rest of your life. Then apparently it was some kind of reward for campaigning for Brexit. I am told we have two different stories, which is the truth. I think you're contradicting yourself there, aren't you? Well, if you tell me what happened with the five million pounds, then we're solved It's an unconditional gift. I can spend it on Ferraris if I want. that' been entirely up to me. Why did you say it was a personal security then becausecause the it was given as an unconditional gift, right So is that there's that whole murkiness around really how transparent he's been about the money he's earned. And then there's the second point, which I think is in a way more salient, which is this is a man who has always tried to claim he was for the people. you know, the people that had hard times and had shit lives and were being ignored by the big parties. And he's raaking it in from gold bullion. whilst he's also talking about getting rid of workers' rights, getting rid of the minimum wage getting rid of the protection for people in their employment. And I guess that's where we're just curious to see the effect that this might have overall on the standing of the party. Yeah, look. I think we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this is a really really unusual situation We've had prime ministers who have been rich, Ry Soonak, for example, or easily the richest And with some complexity to there financial arrangements. but right now we've got He's just an MP obviously at the moment, but he's a party leader, a party which is led in one hundred and fifty polls or so who says himself that he is on the way to being the next Pime Minister. And we have never had and we've just considered Nigel Farges', Financial affairs currently encompass multiple substantial commercial income streams Brand ammbassador roles for investment products Large personal gifts from wealthy supporters, which he didn't initially disclose, links to major political donors, crypto investments and relationships crypto products, by the way, which he drops into conversation now and again before it was known, an ongoing standards investigation into disclosure and significant property holdings. Now that is just unusual for British politics. It just is unusual And, you know, I think what's also unusual about it, and you've hinted at it, Emily, is Fargi's response to that. which is very often to try and just brush away concerns When he's asked about it, as he was, for example, the five million, he says, What's it got to do with you Why are you asking me? Yeah. Now this again is highly unusual and I think you know needs more focus and attention Imagine if Kstarma had said When he got the two hundred quQid glasses or the suits, what's it got to do with you Imagine if you'd said that, what's it got to do with you The accusation rightly of arrogance, of complete arrogance and impropriety that would have come. It would have emblazoned across the front page of every single newspaper in this country and l every single BBC bulleting and broadcast bullet And yet Farage, I think is paying a political penalty for this. But it is not proportionate or commensurate with actually what, you know, frankly, that isn't you cannot say that If you are hoping toome Prime Minister of this country. Of course you can say that. If even probably if you're a backatbench MP, you could probably get away with it. Certainly if you're a private citizen, good luck to you be brand ambassador for goold buullion for anything you want to be. However savory or unsavourory the company might be, crypto, arms companies, tobacco, you name it. You can do it as a priv. know your message to John Sapl, isn't it? Well, perhaps. But the point is is that You can do whatever you want to be. But if you're choosing to be in the public arena and not just in the public arena, but setting yourself up as the next prime mininister, you can't tell us all just uck and not paying attention to it. I think that's exactly right. And I think the interesting thing is you don't choose to endorse Gold Bullan or crypto by accident, right? There are lots of other brands that you could have adopted rather than those. And so this keeps telling me that he is copying the Trump model. Now yesterday, we learnnt through a nine hundred page document that was released that Trump has been making one point four billion in the last year alone dollars, admittedly. But that is about two million pounds. twoo million dollars a day since he came to office, right? And so I think something is going on in Farage's head which is one step behind where the British public are because he's still looking to America. blueprint. You know, Trump is still his role model. If Trump's going to make money on crypto, if Trump's going to put his face on the Bitcoin, if Trump's going to get, you know his kind of gold bullet, his gold bars whenever he goes to the UAE, then why can't I do it? It's really working for him. Why can't I do it And I guess the answer to that is because it just doesn't really work here. It leaves a really nasty taste in the mouth. And we don't understand why America seems to be asleep at the wheel. We don't understand why they seem to be absolutely fine with what's going on there. But my sense is that it's not going to be that easy here because people particularly in crunch circumstances where we are talking about the cost of living every single day. People look up and go Why would you be throwing that in our face? Yeah, I think that's completely right, I think as ever Reform make their mistakes when they think we're the United States and they think our politics is United States politics. It's not. Thankkfully Our politics is not so far gone. In fact, I mean, you know, The Epsteins scandal is a great example of this. Where has the political price been paid and the penalty been paid? Not in American politics, maybe to some extent around the edge, been in British politics, right? And that's because our democracy still is healthier when it comes to the expectation of certain standards. Our voters are not so polarized as they are in the United States that basically there is a huge number of people who no matter how brazenly corrupt Trump is, they'll support him anyway, rightight? That's not British politics. And if you listen to politics, people like Lke Trill, they will say this thing about the five million is coming up independently. in focus groups in polling, and you can see that his personal ratings and his party's ratings have definitely taken a hit. since it. And I think there's one other thing about it though that it might hint at, not just they' taking inspiration from America and misreading that. To me again It hints at something we've been talking about for a while now, which is is Farage's heart really in this Is he in this for the long haul becausecause what it speaks to me with at least the possibility of is that he's keeping his options open. He still wants to make money. He's himself He knows that he can't go into an election really with this this sort of financial complexity. He knows that, you know, endorsing gold bullion, you know, being a brand ambassador, you't want to be PM. you know, you're not Jude Bellingham. like for good to say, he knows. Well not yet. He knows, I know. I'm not sure I'll take that worse for Ajul Jude, but anyway He knows really, deep down, I think that That isn't going to fly, whichich again speaks to me that he hasn't necessarily it's just a possibility He hasn't truly made up his mind whet he's going to fight that election, partarticularly if he thinks it's going to come in twenty eight twenty and cash. There's a lot of bullyion to be sold in three years and the rest Funny you mention Lu Trill because he's going to join us in a moment Horseshoe Online Casino has a special offer for you, New Jersey. New users can get five hundred bonus spins in their first month on games like huff and lots of puff and more. It's simple and rewarding to play your casino favorites. Download and play today. M be twenty one plus and physically present in New Jersey. mininimum wagering within five days required to unlock bonuses. Full terms and wagering requirements at horseshoe onnlinecasino dot com slash promos. If you are someone you know is a gambling problem, call one eight hundred gambler So we all know Exactly two weeks on. from the Makerfield by election and We know the top line of that. We understand The ultimate result which is putting Andy Burnham into Downing Street within a matter of weeks or maybe days But what I guess we haven't really analyzed in the last two weeks is what this has done to the sort of shifting plates of politics, the other parties and how they are starting to ree examine their own fortunes in relation to Burnham Labour government rather than a starmer. Government. Lutrill is here more in common we have been through the sort of the Makerfield experience together, Luke. but I guess it's quite interesting now to work out how the parties are starting to sort of reimagine themselves or redefine themselves for this era. What are you kind of what are you seeing So I think there's broadly If you look at what make feelld taughts, it was that You need to do three things to win in British politics today. The first thing is you've got to unite your block Right And by the block I mean the left block, which is Labour, Liberal Democrat green and the right block which is Tory reform restore. So you've got to unite your block and Andy Bernam did that really well in Makefield. you the greens got squeezed, Liberal Democrats got squeezed that the total opposite of what happened in the local elections just a month before. So I think there is that increasing focus on how do I demonstrate I own my block And we're already seeing that in the Greater Manchester by election with the Greens and Labour arguing they're the best placed on the left block. because you also then get the tactical voting. The second thing you've got to do is juice up turnout, right? In a way that actually, you know turnout's not been as big a feature of British politics. What reform showed in the locals was they could get people who don't normally vote And that was always the worry in Makerfield for Andy Bernam was would people actually come out in a by election because they didn't for laborour and locals, tick you do that. So it's when your block, it is out, get the turnout. and then the third thing is then you've got to still, we haven't abandoned, you know, we haven't moved away from you've still got to reach people in the other block, right? Because those voters count double. You know, If you're in a labour reform marginal and you're labor and you get a reform voter back, it's onem off them. one added to you, Tory liib M marginal, one off them, one to you. So it's this much more kind of complicated approach to electoral competition that we're not really used to. And Andy Burnham showed himself to be the master of all three, and I think the other parties are now thinking and in particular reform UK will be thinking, well problem that we've got is a, you know, with the Tories winning Abereen South, we don't necessarily, you know we thought we had the claim on the right block and the Tories have shown they've at least still got a pulse way People are turning out to vote against us the anti reform motivation is very high and tactical voting against reform is very high and they're selecting candidates who are slightly too polarizing to win over cross block voters. So I think you know in the locals reform tririumph on all three in Makerfield, they basically fall flat on all three of those tests And that starts to become a real problem for reform because we know is in that wr block are motivated more than anything else. by wanting to get labour out, to have a with government of some sort. And if reform keep losing It allows the Tories to potentially say Well, look actuallyually, if you want a right wing government, reform are so you know polarizing that they're going to keep losing because the left will unite, We can actually win on the right. you can't. So it opens up that battle for the right a little bit more in a way that Probably a few months ago, we'd have been like reform or you know dominating that bl. So how much I mean, we spent the first half of this episode talking about Ngel Farage's money problems or other notot money problems, but the scandals surrounding money that he's received or made U Is that actually playing through? I mean, it's a week on from that sort of rather temper tantrumy round of interviews he did where he got increasingly ross with people asking about the money and started talking about spending on Ferraris. And I'm trying to work out whether again, this is sort of bubble stuff and the rest of the country just doesn't care because they've bought into him, they like what he stands for, they like the kind of rip it up and start again factor of Fage, or whether that's starting to lose its shine I think it's a bit of both. So what I would say is you know, and we've spoken before about the fact that you know reform voters are not homogeneous block. know If you think of the people who voted for them in twenty twenty four as the true believers, when you talk about the five million with that group, they He wasn't an MP. Wh shouldt it? It's the second fifteen percent, that group who, you know, are sort of like, well, they're not Ieologically purist reform. They're much more we've just got to try something new, the system isn't working. He seems authentic, he seems different. In that group, we've had more people say, Ohh, I'm not really sure about this. Now, the thing is it is quite complicated and complicated scandals are often less fatal and less damaging than simple ones. which are easy to to explain. So it's not that they're writing them off, but interestingly in focus groups for the first time, I've had people saying and voting reform in spite of Farage, and that was really unusual totally common in labour. Lads of people also have labour despite starma, but Farage has always owned it. And when you dig into why, there's a group of people who say, o, I'm a bit worried, he's a bit too divisive And you get another group of people who say he's too establishment And I think the risk for the five million is less the, you know ethics and declaration stuff and actually a bit more of a who is he for is he for, and we've obviously had his earnings declaration, housing And look, I don't know have play it like he has, you know, he has strong appeal, lots of people still like him. If you're Andy Burnham and you're able to keep going with the four Rs message, it becomes more difficult if Nigel Farge looks like he's for them, which is these sort of rich wealthy individuals that's, you know not benefiting you. And think I think that is a risk. I think he has to address that because it goes almost to the heart of his appeal. you know that he's not in Hock to people like traditional politicians are that he's genuinely for the people. I mean, I guess there is a world in which that is more helpful for reform because they can see a world where they can continue even if Farage isn't at the top of the tree, right? Wasn't that always the argument previously was that the party's nothing without Farage What you seem to be saying is it could be something without Farage. It could be And it was interesting in Makefield that you did start to hear people talking about other figures a little bit more so You know, like people would say, was he a Yusuf. I quite like him. But the problem is none of those figures the range of appeals. So if you've got this group of people who are slightly deterred by him, there's another group of people where he's holding the whole ship together almost. And I think, you know, I think the ory strategy, which I think is a risky strategy in some ways, you know, in part is if Farage falls under the proverbial bus. if he decides to step away, if the scandal erodes voting, then people will come back to us because he has such a hold on the right. But there is no one there is no one in reform with his cutf So let's talk about the conservatives because you said after the by election that you know they're probably still alive and breathing. But it's more than that, isn't it? I mean they're certainly being recognized by Andy Burnham, at least, as the sort of main party of opposition now, the one that he's going to sort of take on Yeah, it's really interesting because Kiia Starmer I think it was was it the conference speech last year where he referred to reform far more than he referred Dt mention the conservatives T the Conservatives And I think Andy Burnham realize you know I think a lot of Andy Burnham's pitch is rooted in that sort of traditional kind of left right economic clash, which actually in some ways squeezes reform out of the picture when the focus is on that rather than on social issues When you ask about who is winning the battle for the right, the Conservatives are still behind reform. There're about twelve points behind in our polling. But that gap has halved in a month, which in of itself good interesting. So previously when we asked who was ahead in the battle for the right Reform are ahead by twenty six points over the Cervatives. they're now ahead by twelve. So the conservatives have gone up I think from seventeen percent who said that they were the main party to twenty four, so not huge. But reform are also suffering slightly because slightly more people are saying restore Britain are the main party of the right. So you've got that. you've also got the fact that undeniably Cem we Badee knock his cutting through it Yeah You know, she comes up unpompted in focus groups, peopleople like the kind of she says it like it is, some of her quips, you know, cut through to people. I have a view that you know that PMQs matter way more than it ever used to because people are watching Social media clips. peopleeople just sort of send round social media clips or they end up on Facebook there and she's getting credit for that as well challenge though ease and it's really weird looking at the two graphs because you see Kemy Baideno's approval rady doing this And then you see the Tory vote And it's still flatline. It's still on tra wayay ahead of twenty one percent. but normally there then starts to be a sort of a bit of a pull up effect. and yet peopleeople are still saying reote for them again because they're they're still in the wilderness here They' still in the wilderness and ordinarily right? you'd expect that. you know, ordinarily you go back to nineteen ninety seven takes three parliaments to forgive But of course, because of reform, they don't have that opportunity to do wilderness. You know If they don't start getting c fruit, they'll be eaten. And as it stands, you in the Battle of the R right, you'd still rather be reformed than the Tories. And what about the progressive parties on the left? because If I went back a year. I mean Zach Polansky's just about to win leadership of the Greens. Everyone's son to compare him to Mam Dani, looks like he's going to be the force that takes on reform for the left And he's really suffering now from I mean, Burnham and other things, right? Yeah? Yeah, so his approval rating has dropped quite significantly and it now has a lower net approval rating than Farj which quite striking. giveiven where he was. I think the Greens are suffering from three things again. So the first thing is some own goals So the criticism from the Met commommissioner after The response on Gld' green, the cououncil tax, you know, things like that. againgain, it just goes to, oh, maybe not that different. It's the unpaid council because that's the boat you know, even and sort of things like mean not that many people care about not voting, but not being seen to tell the truth about it goes to this kind of credibility. It's like unraveling of who you are, isn't it? And bear in mind there was already some skeptism about the hypnosis stuff as well. It starts to feed a narrative. So you've got that for Palansky personally. You've then got the fact that. Polansky was a master of the attention economy, right? He knew how to cut through much more actuallyctually when you're not in the run up to local elections when the focus is elsewhere, it's just hard for the greens to get airtime. to that Andy Burnham, when you look at when we look at our seven segments, Kia Stahmer had crated with progressive activists the most left leaning segment. His approval was way way underwater The group that Burnham gets the biggest uplift with is that progressive activist. He moves into the positive with that group. millenn. They tend to be younger, graduates, tend to live in cities, sort of professional jobs, student loan is squeezing them, renting is frustrating U you know, there's sort of people who voted for, you know, Mandarmi, but you know, obviously has a wider coalition than just that. And labour have dominated that group So and Jeremy Corby got sixty percent of this group Greens took the lead with that group under Kia Stara and Andy Berham is getting them back So that's really interesting. So Andy Burnham could find himself bolstered actually without even having a row with reform by pulling in the greeer. And where are the li? And it goes back to that block ownership point, right? Yeah. Andy Burnham is owning that he's doing it together. The liberal' the king of the left. He is He is the king of the left. And the interesting thing about the liiberal Democrats is they were benefiting from some of that progressive disillusionment as well. And again, if you look at Arne, it's just hypothetical polling for the moment because Andy Burnham hasn't yet become Leader Andy Burnham takes from both the greens and the Liberal Democrats. actuallyctually the size of the left and right bloc basically doesn't change with Andy Burnham, I think the left block goes at one point, but he consolidates that left block around labour and turns a fairly significant deficit into a one point Label now it's only a point. count, but given that they are otherwise, you know seven points behind reform, it's quite a reversal. So you mentioned restore we always used to sort of call them the online party because most of Rupert Lowe's sort of Excitement came from sort of social media It does seem like they did pretty well at Makerfield Um They could definitely eat into a reform vote. Do you see them on the up or on the where are they? Well, they got nearly seven percent in Makefield, not as high as some of their briefing, but significant. and even if which if you look I mean,ou double the libDM, double the tourist right? moreore than. And if you look at you know, some other polling, they could be on three, four percent era of fragmented politics, three and four percent makes all the difference because people are winning on small margins. And that poses a problem. it poses two problems for aform One, just on raw arithmetic, they're losing voters, but second it poses another strategic dilemma for them because Restore Sorters are broadly two camps we find. One are a group who basically just reject the boundaries, societal civil boundaries on issues like race and identity. They want to embrace figures like Tommy Robinson, who Farage has always said no to. There's another group who basically think reform are just a bit too establishment and actually I've spoken to restore voters who think Fge is too divisive. so they're voting for restore. But those two camps, If you're in reform you then have to start say, well, that's three to four percent They should be voting for us, right? And if you look in twenty twenty, they actually take some reformed twenty twenty four voters So do you chase after them? Do you drop some of your traditional boundaries? Because there are some people in reform saying it's time to come together Yeah, right? Bury the hatchet Yeah Forget the leaders at the top. Yeah Yeah. But stuff some of that stuff and you see it, you know, when it gets on to, you know, things like rem migration and that type of thing on the other side of reforms goion, that second fifteen percent that they need to win. We don't want anything to do with that. that's not what, we wanted immigration controlled. We we wanted radical action, but we don't want our neighbourors, you know, being s out the country Rubert L's got this idea of standing fielding a candidate in every constituency I mean, is that Ps, is that credible I mean I mean, he could do it, but I guess one of the challenges would be how on earth do you do the vetting for that as a party like Rore? I mean, it was interesting. I think at that point you probably don't need to. No, you probably Yeah, no, no, probably you're probably, you know, I mean, again, if you are sort of if your actual policy is is kick them out, send them home, then does anyone care? that's right I I think it is feasible think there then becomes a question of You know, do people ultimately when it gets to the election. And I think we'll have many more twists and turns. You know I can't tell you now who I think, you know, well if it were right now, if there was Snap election right now, reform would be the main party of the right, they would do well You know, given everything we've seen so far in three years time, if there isn't a Snap election So look, you know, full transpasia we were at the Spectator partarty last night and the question that everyone was really asking was what month's going is the election And more people that I spoke to think that Andy Bern would wait till twenty nine than think you'll go early. Do you share that? Yeah. I mean and look, if I were asked, that's what I would say to do because I leave it right toil the last year. Yeah. I think too many of the public now are basically Brenda from Bristol You're joking Nowot another one Oh for God's sake, I can't honestly I can't stand this. There's too much politics going on at the moment. They just want government to get on with it. They want to be able to not have to focus on politics and government and to start doing stuff. And look, I mean, even if you look at the hypothetical polling, right, let's assume that gets p. Let's Sbsume Berurn and ends up with thirty four point bououndnce on top of that St's still going to lose your majority on that. Why would you doy would Why would you do it when you've got three years Lou, we're going to end with one of your tweets. This is a bit of your work looking at the leader approval rating. And at the bottom as you said, Zach Palansky minus twenty two, this is for more in common. Nigel Farage is on minus seventeen, Ed Davy is on minus seven, so we're rising now. Kemmy Baadnock is on minus two, almost level with the sort of zero Andy Burnham is at plus five and at the top with plus thirteen, you've got one Thomas Duchll. The weirdest thing about that was you said that lots of people messaged you after that going Thomas Hookle, What's going on? The England manager was not recognized No I. was I was astounding. I mean, some people actually you tweeted it, you know publicly were like, who is this person? Why are they on? haveave you done a cont? you know, they were like, Ohh, I know sometimes you make up people to see if the public are just doing placebo. And then I had people in Westminster messag like, Who iss this person? Why are they on there? I becausecause he's German I don't know what it is, but it did reveal to me, you know that sort of You know, we talk about sort of people living in different ecosystems and you know, the public don't follow politics obsessively clearly. Carly lots of people in Westmin'sortics aren't following football because Anywhere outside Westminster, he's the only name that would ring any kind of bell, right? Yeah. Much higher name recognition And at the moment very positive, I suspect if we reran that tracker, well we will rerun it this weekend. We expect it won't be as high So we have to have Harry Cane up there. Yes. Yeah. exactly you had that one, you'd hope so. Lig, thanks for coming. It' brilliant Horseshoe Online Casino has a special offer for you, New Jersey. New users can get five hundred bonus spins in their first month on games like Huff and Lots of puff and more. It's simple and rewarding to play your casino favorites. Download it and play today. Must be twenty one plus and physically present in New Jersey. minimum wagering within five days required to unlock bonuses. Full terms and wagering requirements at horseshoe onnlinecasino dot com slash promos. If you are someone you know is a gambling problem, call one eight hundred gambler Now, a lot of us went through ninety minutes of agony last night, but if you think it is stressful playing for England, then just spare a thought for our own dear John Sopel. Soaps, where are you I've taken the wrong turning to get to Leicester Square in the studio today And I seem to be in a car heading towards Heath Airport on a flight at Tempast three this afternoon to Mexico City, where I'm going to meet my son who' traveling from Australia and I can't makes any sense of the time zones, but I think I get to Mexico tonight. He gets there tomorrow And we've got the game at the Azteca Stadium on Sunday So for about what sixty minutes of the game last night Were you still on your way to Mexico or were you not on your way to Mexico put my passport away I put my passport away, I'd folded up my shirts. I thought we're not going anywhere. I messaged my son who and it was the middle of the night in Australia And he'd woken up and said, Ohh well Nevermind, it was a nice idea And then Harry Cane did the business. And so here we are, we're on our way. and it's sort of been a bit stressful thinking, am I going? Am I not going? I mean, I know it's probably stressful for Thomas Toucum and the team, but honestly No thought with you