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I think he was a tactical master cllass at the end of the. It wasn't. You guys act like Sack as the secondcond Cing of Jesus and completed about two passes in the whole game. Slot was the manand for next season, but my question is what actually happened in the last week or ten days? They sort of throw it out all out the window and go, we don't want him anymore. I would change the manager but I had have chang him to Chabiolon so. Soop of the league, I think four or five countes ag has a little bit of a fus I'd say a bottle job personally is going up one nill in two European Cup fininals and losing them both. It comes down to Sullivan. He promised this Champions League and delivered the championship. I think Ppp guuariola is the best manageing v in theremi League, but obviously, the debate is, is it Ppuariola? Is it say Alex Ferguson? Honestly, you haven't been around as long as I have. Villa are as big a pub as anybody in the Premier League. What he's done in the your old League is unbelievable You don't want to known as the Europ Lague man. You're gonna learn what it's like to be a real football fan now s. That's how I feel for you ' your head's a bit in the sand and it's gonna get real real quick. At no point in our has rain any. So the new team we're talking about there. There. a Champpions League one is it? that one silverm Hello and welcome back to the Fan debate brought to you by Skybet. I'm really glad to welcome Sha giving back to the couch show, Shay G' glad to have you back. Before we get going with the supporters What have you made of this season And also what has been your favorite moment Um, Well, youve gott to congratulate arson, haven't you? I think. Well, you do you always congratulate the winners, don't you It's been so long, I think, was it second three years in the bounce and bottle jobs call them what you want, but now you got to say congratulations. They got the job done, they got it over the line And you have to give them great credit because you know, whoever wins the league, you got to say well done. And yes, people would argue it's not vintage Arsenal or it's not vintage Premier League this season, perhaps. but I don't care how you get the job done, you get it over the line Aet and his team have done that. So so great credit him for that. Maybe he'll adapt next season and try and play a bit more maybe And what's the word You said it offensive football and try and play a bit more expansive maybe and add a few more maybe flare players to the sort of forward line and try and win it differently. but I think what confidence and belief that Arsen will get from this, what in the leag then it'll be. It'll hold him in good stead for next season. I think it'll be know for these players to get the belief they go on and maybe do it again I'm trying to think moment of the season. What sticks out for a moment of the season? They sa Sve for the season. Probably P probablyb Riah save, I think it was a Brrighton against Brrighton. I think that sa for me was phenomenal. I mean Pickford deserves a mention the one at Newcastle. Yeah ye. I tried not to mention that one, but. as an exx Leron player and obviously doing loveber at Newcastle. But I think Ra, I think this season had been for me to stand a goalkeeper and that save against Brighton was was world class and I think for one of the reasons they won the leeague and I do believe that Ra has had a brilliant season. He's up there with some of the, you know, Brindant goalkeepers in the past that arsenal Well, two answers with Arsenal. So let's start with Arsenal. We've got Mat the Arsenal fan twenty two years with I win in the Premier League got it done, parade yes. they look fantastic. All the other gooners how to celebrate and rightly. so but we'll start with the Champions League final I from a couple of days ago, Matt. I mean What's you feeling around losing the final? How'd you feel about it? It was devastating Eespecially when you're that close, you know, you've done all the hard work for it to come down to a couple of twelve yard kicks You know, we were on the verge of basically being immortal immortality. And that's what hurts the most, notot so much the concept of losing, but how close we were to what could have been. I was there and comeing out of the ground obviously, people would Heartbroken, speechless But everyone that I spoke to you said that they were as proud as they were gutted We know collectively as a fan base Like it's going to be doark tonight and light in the morning that we will this team will be back at some point sooner rather than later. There is belief amongst us. We're so together. Actually one of quite one of the board members, Ben Winston. who've said He remembers the feeling leaving Paris in two thousand six, but that was the end of an era And this is the beginning of one And I think that the parade came at a good time because it gave the players time to reflect on what they've done, what they've achieved this season. despite it ending on a lan. And I think it showed them how together. We all are how connected this fan base are. I was there covering the game and I had this feeling going into the game that everyone you spoke to with Arsenal fans. and I should I should make this point actually flew out with Arsenal fans, flew back saw them. I was there on Thursday, they were around us in the ground. They were absolutely brilliant. And the reason I say that is because Asen fans get so much sty for being that fan base online. I think we probably should all remember that there's all cranks online, isn't they? From every set of supporters including Arsen and my own. But the Arsenal fans absolutely were brilliant with me and you know our team all the way through, so we should mention that put say The feeling I got going into the game was almost that it was not a free hit, but you were just so happy and relieved to get the league done And after the game, I saw so many staff I saw Stewart, the photographer, who is now a good friend after they giving a bit a stick a few years ago. And it was that feeling of like You know, and then you had to pray Jesin. I seen the scenes there. It didn't feel like there was that much D disappoint. It didn't like devastating. I've been there with Lipool as a Liverpool find the last probably five or six years, a couple of times lost Champions League finals and it felt like, o yeah. felt like it took me weeks to get over with it as were ass and I didn't feel like that was And I think it's a good thing in a way likeike you say, wasn itt a free hit, but it would have just been the cherry on top. Yeah. But there's like I said, there's just a sense in us we're just getting started and we will be back there soon I think I think we'll be in Madrid next year as a bow prediction. Okay, I'll ask you that because I want to get to know that the nitty gritty of the game and the performance Do you think you can win the Champions League playing like that Listen, one hundred percent. I think it was a tactical master cllass that at the end of the. It wasn't. I don't think so. W' on target twenty percent. I tell you what, you know what probablyably shouldn't have been somewhere fourth right there If you win that, it's seen as a tactical masterclass. That's a merino masterclass. that, you know And you think of how highly regarded to say, Brian Clough is in this country for what he did in European Cup fininals when it were not they wantned that type of way. They were that type of team What I would say is I don't know if it's teta or it's the actual plays you've got in your attack are not quite good enough. But you had a favorable run to get there. I think And then obviously you didn't lose the PhD to not lose a game in the Champions League is unbelievable and not win it. I just think you'd have to you've got to get better at attackers or you've got to you've got to But then then look more knowing that we don't have the attack that PSG I mean, their attack is as good as our defense, maybe you could say Knowing that we haven't got that attacking threat like they do got to adjust tactically and we did that. We held them to, you know, all they got was a penalty. I didn't really I wasn't any point thinking oh, we're under the c air. I think it was a tact and we convert our penalties and we win and it is a tactical masterclass. If you went at PSC they would have exposed us like they did to enter in the final L year, beat them five Nil, you can't go toe to toe with something like that. They'll absolutely punish you on the attack. And we I think we adapted brilliantly and it just wasn't when you see you adapted, that's been the criticism of Asenal right throughout our test is time, hasn't it? This wasn't a one off game. This wasn't like a tactical sort of settle that we've not seen before. And the probably question remains around it is is it brereak on or a lack of top class players. what did you put that down to the manager or those players because when you look at the first half and I find it difficult to have a goen arrenake because they won the league And as I said, you didn't lose aame the Champions League and youve took PG to penalties But when I was watching the first half, they didn't create a chance. But I was watching it thinking You've still got a You've still got to make a few passes. You've still got to have a bit of if you're the best team in England and they're the best team in Europe, There shouldn't be such a gulf in actually the idea with the ball And it was only once, I think in the first half and I say I saw Miles D Biskelli get the ball and he ran through midfield, played it wide And I thought I don't think you I know you're not going to dictate the game. They're better than you're going get that But it shouldn't be such like where you couldn't keep the ball for two passes now you're on therege you're unbox. A Champions League final shouldn't it like that. We were letting them have it. Why I let them have it Because it was working until it didn't. We gave away a cheap penalty that didn't need to be done. hadad we have not that we didn't concede an actual in playay goal but you you have one shot and target in the game? Yeah But this was the game planned, Jam mean, we got to penalties. If you would have told me before You want to got to a penal shot I would beit your hand off for it. It worked. You think it's a missed opportunity. I think the pactical plan was really good actually. I do believe that too a certaingree there was a missed opportunity. I say that because obviously Dbelli was off, Carvaskelli was off, Marchinius was off extra time. And I think this is an opportunity now for Asenal to go tell you, why we don' anybody tells we can do something in game, but I don't think there was ever that belief within the game that they could go and do something I mean, Yockace was a struggle up frront. He really struggled to do anything any impact off the bench. I think he really struggled. If you can get someone in that area. Yeah, you can be a different team say I agree with that. I actually thought they were going to win it an extra time when you actually saw the players on the pitch. I think Arsen's team is better in extra time when when you actually look their four best players were probably off the pitch. Now I know it's difficult to in extra time Ione to a bit tired. and things like that. And I understand I'm not saying you should have took the games. I'm not saying that I just felt there could have been a bit more courage in terms of actually when you had the ball to get on the ball a bit. Mars Lewis Skele I thought was some there three or four times, but I just wanted that courage from the people where it wasn't like we got the ball back. Ray has gone long. We've lost it or we've had two passes, We've lost it, we all get back It was almost like you're the best team in England. You have not lost a game in the Champions Lag exhibit like S we can keep this So for the ball a little bit more, boys let's have this courage to I Open up a little bit not to leave yourselves open defensive but a bit more comeome on boys get on the ball Sometimes when you get the early goal something inside you've all been in placays where you've maybe got something to hold on to. That's the only thing I would say. and if you are what you're saying, this is the start of our journey in terms of going into the Champers League I think they just need to show a little bit more have a bit more arrogance. Yeah they'll learn from all. they'll learn from it. You know, we've not been here before twenty years now and certainly not being in Ateta. and they'll learn from that. And I think that going into the next season, we will have a little bit more arrogance about us. now we know what it tastes like to win Do you think it was a penalty I M Wek. I think no is the answer I think if the referee did originally give it, I don't think he would have overturned it and that's what's frustrating. He was very quick to give them a penalty, but no interest in ours. So something Yeah, but from the referee's angle, you would have thought that was a penalty as. I don't know, it's too of a grreay area. what I didn't like at all was emblown half time on the corner I' never se. was amaz. Mate Sucker wasilly Daddy Olver to the corner last year. What you want to do Give give them an extra two minutes And that's a player that didn't turn up. You guys act like Sac is a second Cment of Jesus and about two passes in the whole game. Well the way that he was instructed to play by Aletta was to track back and help defensively, which he did superbly and unfortunately, he couldn't getting in on attack. I think he did his job defensively. I would have loved him to be a bit more ruthless going forward, but that wasn't the game plan Wen't bl that on him. it would have been slightly different if you hadn't scored so early course we were holding onto the lead and his job wasn't I don't think to get another one, I think it was to hold on And I think he did well at that. he just When you do that, you then nullify his attacking strength Gabriel was fantastic. L' him in Salva brilli in the game, but were you surprised when you even went for the penalty? Was there anyone el that you were looking and thinking, you know, why was a cent of I takaking it? It is very easy to have this debate. I think if you're a professional football, you should be able to convert from twelve yards. I know it's obviously the highest pressure penalty in the game comes down, I think, to bottle. whoever's there and wants to take it, takes it. Remember By Munich Chelsea in the Chamber Lag V vital. I think Noyer took Byn's third because he thought fucky, I'm having this And Gabriel probably did the same he was a bit Likely he's fearless Got hit the target, aren't you? twoo didn't even hit the target. Keper didn't make a safe. How can you lose a game in a Champions League final where the other keeper hasn't made a single save Well you hit him off target. you fighting for penalies threing it up and nowhere to be seen in it. I thing this is what comes down it comes down to bottle and Gabriell obviously being a leader, said, I'll have this and he missed. Do you think it Yeah I respect Gabrielle. I think it was like not a show by way, but obviously the fifth penalty ticker is normally like the glory penalty. Yeah. And you normally have like a more attackking mind the player taking that one. Well, I think Gabriell wanted to grab the headlines and think f I think the I think that why not take a second or third and why do you have that I'ted off the page of them either. I said that to him before. say, I think Dct. Ros should have took the fifth and he's going to take it a defender then why I tell you why chance to turn it around then. You don't get that. The problem with the fifth penalty takeer and this has happened a few times. and it happened to Ronaldo in a tournament a few years ago, right Some people do want to take the fifth penalty and be the glory. I don't see that with Gabrielle. It's not just the glory though, it's also you can be the one that has to save it as well. Yeah, exactly It's a pressure penalty But the reason why you wouldn't waste one of your penalty takers on your fifth one or say let's say your best one or your number two because it might not get there And there's nothing worse than your best penalty taker, not taking a penalty in a shoot out your best penalty takers have always got to take for me. One of the f four it's never all if you don't get there, then you've missed probably two out your first three. so Yeah. and we did miss one, so we needed someone to step up and slot it and get us back in it. I did. As these records not good for Penelies either it? Palace as he struggled from the I don't if you'veen of penalies for Brter Palace as well. I think he took a stop a step penalty always Pallison then said I won't do it again. He mached the penalty against Liverpool in the shoe out of the community shield And there's a video of Tyk Mitchell afterwards looking at the big screen and he's taking the penalty on it and he says you've got to put out in a bin mate and he's like, yeah, it's done. And yet he's done the same thing again. I think it's just muscle memory a lot of the time because it's a higher pressure thing, you know If you change your penalty tried and everything in that moment then maybe you're more likely to miss, but I think he was waiting for the keeper to move and then anyone something think there's nearly too many variations likeike he stands up straight and then he runs to the left and he does a little like passast feet and then he's I mean, it's very. Beuse it was say before but you made a good point. I mean PSG cok doesn't make a save in the game doesn't in the shoot out or obviously doesn't get anywhere near the goal, doesn't cover himself in glory there with the as a w I thought the keeper actually does well because he doesn't move. Is it hard not to move in a situation? Very difficult not to move, Yeah, it's very difficult not to move. and I suppose maybe it just stood there in a sense that Can we read the run up? And then the thing is Ezy has to put it in the corner, doesn't he has to score because I think he passes in either corner, it's obviously stantly obvious the goalkeer hasn't got the time to react to keep it out then. but I think somet thingses you can do too much like he starts straight to the ball, then he runs to the left and then he does fast feet and then he does a stutter Sometes there's too much going on there in the run of. you You know what I mean? way John Oldember would do that. a shim legue but a lot of them were doing that straight. a lot of them were straight onto the ball and then all of a sudden everybody't?'t. Every player has mr. Penalty, it just's unfortunate. you know, it happens. it happens John Terry, Mr. Penalty was crying and he came back and won it It happens But I also saying is I don't think Asz's record from the penish spot is good at all. Nice. I'm surprised that hes been stepped up to take one He missed one against Newcastle where he was waiting for the caper to moveull Similar sort of fail And he barely moved and obviously he' just put it down the middle because I think it sort of spun his head a bit. Yeah you know if If you're waiting for the Cper to move and they don't move, it's going to be a proate. Can we talk about the fucking Premier League a Lets get back to it because you said you said that you think this is the start Yeah What do you think Asenal probably needs personnel wise in terms of maybe to take it to another level in terms of for me I think I think you still need to center forward in a left wing. I've felt that a year ago and I still feel the same. Now even though we've won the Premier League I still think there's probably areas where you could improve. one hundred percent. I think we need to build around our core stick together and block out the noise. Now these players have got, you know, they know what it tastes like to win. I am hopeful that they will get addicted to that feeling If there's ever any lack of motivation, they can now go on their phones, look up the scenes from Tuesday night Look at the old people crying. Look at the smiles on their faces when they're on the top of the bus at the parade That should be enough for them to go out because they know what it feels like now and No, city I think just landed their plane and we've just got off the runway and now it's time for a long. Do you think no, do I think this is a great opportunity for arsen to really sort of kick on and be like a almost the dominant force for the next year or two because the other Big six, if you like I think F of them. Besides yourselves, have' all got new managers? Yeah I out of you, I' se see Have I got that right ye Artata is the only one to have won it Yeah so what I'm saying is you know think there's going to be teet and problems with some those right into the Premier League Is that one of the reasons why you see this is like the opportunities that you've got to grab it there. Yeah,'s there' We're comfortable one I think this is what I was saying before about we know we're going to go in. We know our future. These players, this Gaffer they're not going anywhere. whereereas there's uncertainty around everyone else So yeah, we've trusted the process couple of bumps and there was points where I didn't trust it early on A few years down the line, no one's denying that Altterz been given license to go out and spend the money, but he's got the recruitment right. He's got a team full of players that he's handpicked that he loves that is that he's turned into a family and everyone else is sort of kicking off a little bit. yourour gaff has gone Sorry, man, I'm I think you'll be alright next season. Three games a week could h about us. Yeah. And obviously city there's a big change. God knows what's going to happen to them. So your players going to be exhausted next season because you went all the way to the Carabel Cup final to the FA Cup semifinal, Champions League final. They made the sem mean they got knocked out by some spies from the All right quarterfinals. Then they're going Then they're going to the World Cup, right And I think there's more games this World Cup, right? It's a biger World Cup And then they're going go again in all the comps. and we know Ateta, he likes to play his favorites in every competition. You're gonna see D De Rice is going to be now. No matter how successfuly you are we can spin it in a negative. Unbelievable. I know, donon't get to the Champions League final again or the any good cup finals Is that not going to be a thing with this I think we'll be all right But listen, you think you'd be al right, but myself and Gareth are in this position last se isn' talking about Liverpool kicking on won the league and here we are now, Gareth and We haven't got a manager twelve months later after IA sllot coming in in season one and winning the Premier League. Was it the right decision to part with RA sllot I think ultimately, yes, although you know right now, it's still pretty raw from when it happened, obviously Saturday afternoon I've got mixed feelings about it. know I felt when the news come through, I thought, well why now? Because Everything pointed to the fact that he was going to stay. There was talk of a new assistant manager coming in. He'd said himself in multiple press conferences, I'm involved in summer recruitment. I expect to be here next year So You know, I was kind of looking forward to going on all ofig and sort of forgetting about him a little bit and then bang and it's taken everyone by surprise, you know, you listen to all the The report as you cover Liverpool week in week out. It's come from left field that they've decided to suddenly do it. And when they're saying it's based on data and it's based on a review, well, you knew what the data was and you knew what all the problems were you know, last week So I didn't really get that U Equally, you know, the other side to me is I'm kind of relieved in a way because I was worried that there was a bit of a Brendon Rogers type feel about it where next season could be derailed. quickly, you know, lose a couple of games, it goes toxic early and then what are you doing? I knew are you recruiting? I knew what manager you're going to get at that point and you know, you've missed the transfer window and all of that kind of stuff. So There's a part of me that thinks if you're going to do it, well at least it's done. they're talking about a new manager being in place before the World Cup even starts So that then you think means this time to have a good runner by the five or six players we probably need. Yeah, I'm a bit like you. I could I could live with whatever decision the club made reallyally, I'd got my head around them staying And I could almost justify in me head and go Okay, listen. There was injuries, there was new players come in. the situation with Jota He's a Premier League winner manager The sala situation on the pitch and off the pitch must have been a nightmare to deal with. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but you can imagine the feeling around. you think,, okay, he's moved on You I've got your heads around him in a little bit. Now I was a little bit that I would change the manager bu for this but For a certain manager, I wouldn't just changeing for anyone. It wouldn't be a case of any stuff goes and then we're looking for the manager. If you could to got it like I think in my head like a top manager, wh it was say this MDK It might but that was never going to happen. but I had a changed in for Chabolanto So As soon as on launch, we're goingone to Chelsea I was like, no, I think I'd probably keep him And now I'm it looks like it's going to be Iriola who is I think we'd all say fantastic to what he's done ab bornouth But if you'd just said to me a few weeks ago We just suck on each slot andm bringing that old I be being a little bit like, o, I'm not sure. I don't because And I say this with all the clubs that Especially the big city. the clubs we associated with winning the title. When they make an appointment I look away and think When I see that fellow winning the league. winning that they club the league and The thing it was called back to with slght is we had a manager who won the league And I know the performances this season was so poor and the results was so poor, but it was the performanceces more than anything. so I can get it and go and I get it. I just think a manager from Bormemouth who's never had much European experience managing the Champions League or r certain we've done that in England three games a week I do think it's a risk. I do. It is a risk where you know, I think anybody's at risk. Anyone's a risk. Yeahah. any move is a gumble. I think there's maybe a little bit of a deth of available top class managers as well. I mean, you know you look at Merinios ended up going back to Madrid and things like that So you know, Ery K is the one I think we would have all loved and we would have walk to the end of the day to get that man, but you know, he's lifted another the Champions League. he's going nowhere. So That's that done. And then who else is there And with it, I O, I think like I've w like a style of football and it feels more Liverpool. I've got to be honest. I think one of the problems is L season such a tough watch. You know, we were going to Anfield and we were just like, you know, the thing you were looking forward to was having appoint with your mates not the forty. And you know, you adds You know, you have Walkins, you know, basically saying I know what I know Liverpool that's out of a at the back and I know I'm going to find space And I'm going exploit it. And you know that was sort of quite telling as well. It was all the problems with set pieces. There was the start, the games as well, which really did my head in I mean, if we playing manion I say that on field, I expect whoever's wearing the red shirt to go and get stuck in go and win the firstace second balls and all that kind of stuff. We didn't do it And then it was a repeated that at all. my woody with that garotin and is when we talk about hereol, I think we're going go back to that style. Of course, our manager plays his style Theyveve they've recruited for an Rish slot style, which was not quite y and cop was a bit more controlled When're saying the football wasn't great, it You're right, it wasn't. It was slow, laborious, but it wasn't a case of the manager being defensive. He had a lot of attack and players on the pitch. My thing is now Isac that' like a te K I'm not sure they are those type of players. That's my money. So when we said the football was slow, the pressing wasn't there, it's because we had Vts McCallister in the EZak doesn't presses doesn't play too much. Jacaka doesn't really press. You almost put all these talented players in And he couldn't play this style that we associated with clop we saw bits of in his first season And Liverpool went the other way and went so The reason I said about Alonso is because in the back of my mind I was thinking, this is the guy who's got the best out of the Florian verts in terms of bioveric. So we know Your most expensive player and hiss And he's one with them. he's got the connection with the supporter so That's the one that I'm a little bit like if you were going to change and why would it not be that launch? I think that's where the questions start to go upstairs is you know, if you're doing a review of the season, why doesn't the review of the season include Richard Hughes, who's the director of football? Michael Edwards who's the CEO of football because they're the people who are responsible for the recruitment and for buying those players of that profile And, you know it felt like all season, you know, I have sympathy there for sllot and that, you know, he's he's going to a a gun fight with a knife almost every week because he hasn't got he hasn't got the squad. I think there's there's an extent to which any manager would have struggled with that squad. I think Perhaps could have got more out to them. Perhaps it could have been more fight the tactics might have been different. Maybe the set pieces would have been different whatever. But equally, you know, it wasn't right, it wasn't done properly. And yet them fell as apparently keeping their jobs and they've only got years one year each left on their contract. So there's that uncertainty there as well. And so far, nothing's been said about their roles. And in fact, It seems that Richard Hughes has now been allowed to go and recruit another manager And in Iola, he was work before. So I find all that strange and one of the one of the people one of the things one of the explanations really as to why they haven't gone for a long was being people saying Well, he's too big of a figure and he could have been too close to the fans and the nerds, if you're like don't like that. They don't like a manager, ha a not Well I tell you what, listen, this idea and I've said this fe and this goes back to Chelsea as well I'm sick of these directors of football. listen, and by the way, I've got great respect for what they did in terms of being there with Clop. But the longer Kop's not there Be the people at the top at Liverpool, Michael Edwards, especially even they under Brendon Roggers and it wasn't great. Club comes in and Michael Edwards and his team obviously a passed that and do a great job But the most high profile recruitment team I've heard about in my life, everyverybody talks about them like the fans have got them as these gods. As soon as Jagen Klop goes, it seems to drop off again. So Jagen Klop the star That's what it looks like. Great managers make good players even better. That's what the great managers do. That's what they've always done That's what I'm looking at a bit. So this idea that like you can just get anybody in there as the coach and this is what Chelsea think is well, just get anyone ass the head coach. We do the recitment. manager doesn't matter. we just flip them It matters at Liverpool. Yeah. And that's my little thing about Alonso Iola I Iiola is on a brillion job, but it's a big jump Burnouth to Liverpool if he is the guy with alon so. you've got the playing career the CV, the managers managed been managed by What he did that lever Cues and playing in a European getting into a Europe go cl as well as win in the league he's managed R. I know it didn't go well, but he's managed at that level, that sort of scrutiny, that pressure and that's If they chose Iriola above Alonso because of that Well I think that's very woody and full of a pool goen for. If they've chose Somebody else because I also want to play a back three or it's a style of football. mayaybe it's a little bit too much like slot. Okay, fair enough. they want to go to the high pressing game again. But as I said before, I'm not sure all of people have got the squad right now I was going to say it's worrying that you mentioned that B bringing the assistant manager in from Holl and whatever that was in the pipeline. Aland has just gone to Chelsea a few weeks back. so it looks like there was at no stage They spoke to Alonzo and Slot was demand for next season So is it the last three or four games that they've really gone this is not good enough? or you think at that level or that size of football club you know, that the well run, the best run football clubs would have a plan in place And the plan was for Slot to be there next year. So my question is what actually happened in the last week or ten days? sort of throw it all out the window and go, we don't want them anymore. Do you think that gu something happened very l? I'm not talking about like a couple of days ago. I mean, I spoke to someone around the club and they said that The last four to five games of the season actually made a big difference how poor Lver people went and how they sort of limped across the line to get Champions Leue football. They made a big play out of that sort of light So the That was the storew that broke the campasar. Yeah, it would make sense that wouldn't it? Be I think you know, Liverpool have been incredibly fortunate to be in the Champions League next season and they almost fell over the line. It was almost done to other clubs underperforming and not grasping you know, the chance to go and get in it themselves because You know, there was an opportunity there where at one point where we were looking at what we were looking at man I said and saying we can catch them there and then It just tailed off And you know even even the very last game of the season we could have most start in the last couple of secondeconds of that game So you know, there was no controlled Chelsea was tat of while I was speaking to No I was not here today, but I was speaking to Rory last night And he was saying he couldn't believe that the state they're in They were able to come to Amfield, go one knill down and then start exing the game and Liverpool are just passive and we and meak and just letting them havey and letting them come at them And I think that was Woody and that was obviously the game where ite a few, you know, fans decided to start booming and there's stuff being in the paper since that apppparently slop when absolutely offers head with with the players after that game as well. So if they've had a reassessment, then I can sort of understand it because Back to what I said earlier, you start to worry about how's next season going to be then and how quickly can it go wrong? And you do they've gone to great pains from the briefings it seems to say, this is definitely not down to we asked the players and the players didn't want them. I kind of think we're bound to say that And is there is an element of it, I do wonder how many of them actually wanted to play for them next season because I found strange in that last game against Brentford I don't know why careiss is Jones as a scouser sccoorered in front of the cop and then didn't celebrate and in fact looked angry And I thought, what's going on there? What's in his h? How don't you celebrate that moment And then even viril and, you know, after the gamees ended Jn the pitch just stared enough at the stands And again, I thought, well is iside that? what's going on there What's going on inside his mind And Canate is obviously gone as well U Bizarrely only six weeks ago, when he was basically, you know, left at the diabi, wasn't it? He was saying You know, speak to me soon. you'll see, I'm still. I'm want to take more control. I'm going to be a bigger figure of the club Now he's gone going on there. You know There's loads a little bit where you're like you're wondering what the hell's going on and maybe we never find out until autobiographies get written in a few years time or wherever It seems like a lot of mad stuff's going on behind the. But you know what? I'm a little bit with you. and I I st when you look how bad last season was you can't complain too much about the change. And as I said, I could have gone either way. but what I would say is A big thank you to Hannie Slots. Yeah, you one is a Premier League title. And if someone has said the day Yeen Klop. announced Steamers' League and in the next two years, win the league and willll get Champions League football season after would have all that you end off that one hundred percent. best day of your life because, you know, children being born sad and things like that. because We didn't get to celebrate that other title properly And you know, all I ever wanted to have said it on here before was the lads I've always gone the foot here with. We always said Can you imagine that point when we won the league You know, and we never got to have that pointint when we won the league when it was the COVD season. So Anest Lock got us that moment that we dreamed of for all of our adult lives to have that pointint after we won the title. So for that on the slot on the slot when then when he was announced a liiverical manager. for you excited about that? Are we going like because you mentioned Ao there before and says, well I'm not sure. He's coming from Bournwouth. Can he do the job? Oh. Was your mindset when Slot got the job? I'm happy with this guy? Yeah, I mean, it was a bit like people weren't quite sure who he was or know too much about it, but you'd had that, okay, win in the leeague with fine old obviously played European football. Listen, we watch your eyO every week. No one can say you don't love watching Bormmouth play. If Bormmouth are on the TV, you're watching the mind and you think, Oh, we're going to watch the game. So you get that. The point being is How he plays And I said this the end of last season. we were talking about Chelsea Magers was on Monday night football And we were looking at Chelsea's options And Aola was there. And I actually made the point so I can't go back on it. I said, I think Aola is making a mistake orave even bouth because I think the next thing he needs to prove is brilliant manager a great football, high intensity. He needs to prove he can manage a European season with the way what he asks of his players physically and And when you have a yord, you've got to rotate and you've got to move So All these things come into and I thought that' would be the next step for him just to prove he could produce the goods in a European season And then he' get his move to his next club. It almost feels like it's a year Not too early. Listen, Yeagen Klopp was probably manager minds and that' to one improve that approach your Dan with that style of football. Do you worry that in Iolas can will run them into the ground too early and they're like That's the feeling. so, you know, do they their injuries If you look at most of his seasons, I think the second half of the season they drop off. I think last season was the first time I think they've had a great second half of the season. Normally they're up there the start of the season. So These are the things you have to take into account, and then does the intensity actually have to drop off a little bit. so you're not actually getting the full ola because you're getting too many injuries, you got too many games and then he's actually going to be more of a football than manager. You're on the ball more at Liverpool then you're out of born with I mentioned I would have swapped on a slot for Chabolantso, but He's goingone to Chelsea How do you think he'll get on there Well, they just obviously didn't last long at Real Madrid. that's my worry. They say that players at Ral Madidg are running the club Well, he'soing another club that feels that way at Chelsea that players have to say and perhaps you mentioned before about being a head coach and stuff and it feels like even the pers B at Chelsea are nearly picking the teams of the time and these are just sort of coaching the players on on the traininger, but I don't think that'll work with Alonzso either. I don't know. I don't know if the club can step I think they've got a couple of directors. talk about one director football, they got two or three directors footbble bringing all these different players L's a little thing shed. I wanted to mention before you carry on is they've actually changed this title to manager rather than head coach, I think that that Osea Well, I mean, I'd like to think that Javi coming in as well had had a big say in what how he wants the club to be run before he's even signed the contract. You know, he kind of ps a beat on them. you got to pick him. you got to leave Enzo out because he' mentioned you wanted to leave the club then give him the captancy when he comes back and all this, they can't have all that Chavy has to be in charge, but again, it just seems that Chelsea has spent all this money and They're no further forward In fact they're going back Rroad, aren'tly? they're going back. And I suppose the perfect kit will be Alonzo at Liver, but that's gone now. So now can he do it at Chelsea and he will as a manager done so well as you mentioned the Llivery prison. In a sense fld at Real Madrid, You can call whatever you want. You can call it the players are running the club. but people look at it. It didn't work at Real Madrid I think you mentioned it four points off top when he get sacked, but it just didn't work because if he got sacked, that's the bottom line Now there's pressure on that position because we see how quickly Chelsea go through the managers. But again, what he done at Lliverru and won in the league and being on beaten and It was just amazing what he done there. so sort of what's this what's this spacees they say? The other one the big one is Pecquariol leave and it's hugeoss, isn't it for the Premier League really and you know, one of the greatest managers we ever seen Psibly the greatest manager of all time, I would say, but do you worry where this leaves city? when you think of Sort of Ferguson you in Manchester United, you think of Venlee and Arsen. look those huge figures the Premier League. Do you think this could take a you know, couple years to see I mean, as's well, running know, Hugo of Vianazon there and I have to play withugo at Newcastle and he's You know, look at what they wind do doing in January, bringing in Gehi and Semenu and stuff So I think the players are there and then again, they'll go again this summer, Oviously big players leaving Bernardo silver Jhn Stones is leaving Obviously the managers the biggest one, you know, he has talk about being a head coach, but he has been the manager of that football club. He has it all the say. with everyone coming to the club. So there will be a trepidition a little bit or a little bit of worry from the fans and the people at the very top of Man City Can Moresca, I think that's the talk is not done yet, but Marscaa is the man he's been there before as an assistant, off course, he knows the club well Can he sort of keep the reins, keep this club ticaking on? By I mean we're taking on win the Premier League get back to the Champions League finals. That's where Manchester Cydy belong now. You know, they're they're not going to take a step back. They want to keep pushing hard. what do we? Absolutely. Well, you know, I think there was an inklland in a lot of city fans when Pep signed that two year deal that you might just do one and go And I'm really glad I didn't go last season because that had been a proper, you know dampening to go out Only winning a community shield wouldn't have been, you a good way for PP to go. But he's had, you know, ten seasons, twenty trophies. like Jamie said, I think he's the best manager we've ever seen And Yeah, you know, the dream the dream ending would have been to see him win in, you know, another Premier League title winning a Champions League but to get two trophies in his final season to go out And I hope he had a truckle watching, you know, Gabrielle sale that penalty into the sky, you know, what weir'd come in there is? why would he have a chuckle there? Well maybe he wouldn't, but I think a lot of safans safe fans would. it was Harland's picture about that? Yeahah? I on social media. I have to ask Harland man, I don't speak for Harland, but you's speaking for Pe guuariola. I said, I hope he had a chuckle. I don't know if he did Well yeah, you know, like like Say said, you know, Asenal were the best team in England this season. They won the league And Pep couldn't get that one over the line He got two trophies twenty as well like I'm sure you know, a Palace fan to win three trophies. how good that is a villa fan winning a trophy, Liverpool win the league last season. The Westteran winning a trophy Arsenal winning trophy. These are like monumental days in history for these clubs and PPs managed to do that twenty times for City. So A You are me eighteen twenty. If you don't count, C. just said the Palace one three trophies, mate. so I've just counted it. So yeah, you know, winning a treble, getting a hundred points, winning, you know domestic quadruple. but now that is all going to come to an end. It has come to an end. It's not necessarily the trophies, but pet guuardiol' re raining it the trophies that come to an end. I don't think the trophies will come to an end because M proven winner, you know, Lesie got them promoted to the championship. He takes on a way bigger role. youre saying anybody can manage Manchester city I'm not saying anyone can can manage. I'm saying M a resk is gone and beatating PSG three in a final the Cuub World Cup Last summer he won treble at City I believe, he's credited to an extent with he won be the w that when he was at city won the Champions League is part of the back room stuff, didn't he and obviously he's been at the club before he knows the club Aarent I believe he's credited with Cars' the fourth choice keepeper liiv in City a back four of four centre backacks. I believe he was involved with that tactically. So you know, if he gets the job, which it looks like he is going to proven he can win trophies at Chelsea he got to there last season. he's walked away There was talk as to whether maybe walked away because you know the control of the players what was going on was did he not have enough control and he seems like a strong head. So I'm personally pretty happy with Mereresca. peopleeople talking, Would he be the right move? I'm pretty confident now that the way Peps left the club you look it like he said You know, when Venger left Arsenal when obviously Fergil left United there was talk that maybe they were on a massive downward, but You know, Fergy did win the league in his last season. wasas that group of players prepared to go and keep winning? It wasn't. So I think this city team You know, they've got to prove themselves next season. They've won two trophies in Peps last season. what have they got And I think you know, Moreresskca can of go and do a job He's in a decent position to do so. I think I was a fan of Masca at Chelsea. was a really good manager, coach. I looked at the games when he came up against Liverpool he g give Liverp a really tough time, really clever with how he did things. Oviously worked under PEP And before as well So like that I think iss a really topop co competent manager., obviously he' not Pcu at all, we will see, but I'm only asking this because this is here by the way. As Pb Guardi on the left because he thinks no nobody nobody might be around the corner. Nobody knows the verdict of that Bar three man panel. So somehow magically knows then I don't know how's done. So Le's Pep. if anyone's going to know whel though Well, I mean That would be breach in every part of the contract And why is that why you've got a manager and who's got championship experience we need lead to experience by the time? I think there's a way. someomeone said there's a way that you could get relegated and we could stay up. Yeah, Is happen The book's been closed. We saw Bruno Fernandez get getting assist because the season had ended. so think I think your chananceces of staying up,ate, I think you're clutching to be honest at that. Can I ask you a question? Go on, Mate. What do you think went wrong for Citity this season What went wrong for City this season? I think ultimately the squad itself had some good heads in it had Bernardo, silver had stones are on the way out We dropped too many points in games where we were winning effectively in the league, that's what went wrong. in the Champions League, we had a very poor first leg against Real Madrid, the second leg, you know, we started off terribly with a red card. So the Champions League was gone In the league, those games like West Am away We were ahead and Drew Totham away, Brighton at home, Chelsea at home Sundland away These were games we should have won and the majority of those we were leading. And we didn't get those points. And then when we finally got you know close level just ahead of arrsenal with five or six games to go That work whyy were you dropping these leads so frequently? because manity that's not like the city that we've seen for the last ten years. Yeah, that's true. Well, like I said, you know, it's a young it's a transitional season. it's a transitional team and in that season, like I said, we've won two trophies in the league, maybe maybe at times we did lack the experience If Arenal would have done what city did we would have all have said' bottled it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah he bottled it. Arsenal haven't got well I don't think if Arsenal had done what city had done we' have said. you said it's a new team it again's a new team. It's partially a new team, yeah, but at no point in our is reigning the new team we're talking about. He's t Chumpions' League, one is it that one silvermate?' t. Anyway. Yeah, what was a question again, sorry, I got it. You' just trying to get more thinking time. you said it was it's a new team. So the experience' what I'm saying today the trouble winners. Yeah, but in Arteta's reign at no point did Arsenal get, you know from miles behind close and then not make it, not get it over the line. Arsenal were heaps and bound, whatever the word is, they were miles ahead of city And ultimately what happened is You've lost that huge lead and when they when they did lose that big lead again, they kicked on like a champions team do and they won the league. So like like I said, you've got to credit Arsenal. But with this city team, we were miles behind. we created those problems ourselves. No one until maybe I'd say February March, when we started picking up points when Arsenal dropped off when we beat in the League Cup final, when we beat them again at the Eiad. at that point people said, Can city go and do it? And we didn't do it. We didn't do it, but No no arsenal season under Arteta anyway compares to the city one here where we've caught them and they're not quite got there. if that makes sense. Top of the league with I think four or five games ago has a little bit of a bottle job Well, it's not is it bit because you led this season for like three hundred days. I'd say a bottle job personally is going up One nill in two European cup finals and losing them both. It's a great deflection. It's a brilliant deflection Looking back at Ppp Guardi all's time at City, how much of an impact he had on the English game? It A amazing yeah. I mean I think the way he's revolution we spoke before, about how he's changed the game and a lot of teams play that way. And we see managers comeing to the Premier League and do different things. but you know you see different managers, not just in the Premier League, you see around Europe and you see even the championship, you know playing out from the back playing through the thirds. the way's changed the way he's changed football, I think is incredible I mean, one thing I' disliked a little bit, you know, for example, some he's very structured in some of the systems he plays in a sense takes the freedom we look at Champions League the again, Carver Skelly and stuff. likeike if he was maybe in a PEP team would he be more saying, you know, I want you to do less trebles. Trebbles sort of keep the keep your shape and all that kind of stuff. So somet things you can be over coached when you won twenty trophies in ten years, you can't really critize too much I don't know. I think he'll be missed not just for Manchester City fans I think the Premier League is a huge personality when it comes to the to the Premier League around the world as well. And it's a big big shoes to fill. It really is. Has Moresca got the personality to do that Only time will tell, but Pep Guardioli goes It goes with a lot of, you know, people saying like what what a what a number lable Unbelievable career's had but But of course, anyone who's worked on him, any player he's played them, it's just every day was a learning curve the sort of levels he goes to, the depths he goes to when it comes to coaching of. I think even even his bundits we probably learn from when you're watching your Monday night football think of what's PPs doing, what systems he doing, That for me is one of the reasons why I said a few weeks ago And I think he is the the I think For me, I don't need to debate whether he's the best manager They in the Wales or maybe of old time when he finishes just the Premier League. Now I did a newspaper column that ruffled a few feathers but I said, like you Jimmy that? No. I think Pp Guariola is the best manager weout in the Pimy, but obviously, the debate is Is it Pep Guardiola? Is it say Alex Ferguson? Now Before you get ono it, I'm going to make the case for my defense of why I went for them. I mean, the trophies speak themselves Obviously U I think the football and the influence he's had on the game and almost everybody's trying to feels like copy pap. And it's not just playing good football. It's like Even Liverpool g can clop out a spell where they put Trent Alexander Aynolds in midfield from full back. That was Packy was doing that a By Munich. You know, things like that when he first came to English football, I think he had a midfield where he had sort of debrin and silver as almost number ten and one sentim midfielder. And I remember Gary on Monday night Fotball, a guy who won seven or Premier Lague titles saying, you can'tin the Premier League playing like that I mean, he was proven wrong but I could understand what he was saying. You think you need power, you need that strength in the Premier League. He won it like that. He's changed the team that much you don't even you don't even remember the missing anybody. So company left, we'd say one of the best center backs Davard fillld that arguably cities Or certainly probably the top three or four players ever S J Auguir or one of the greatest strikers. you don't remember them missing them I think he even the league got no center forward once season? Yeah, it's funny. So the point and when I'm comparing it to sort of Sankx Ferguson as well, who As Adam knows, I've got unbelievable respect and admiration for it even being a Liverpool man. They did the treble that United they They won the league four times that United didn't do in a row. They won a domestic treble. It's like I was making all these arguments when I was making and I'll go see you Adam, because obviously you your fig is mad I get that is that an argument when I'm making these four or five arguments, why I would sort of put peppers. move Serallex in the Premier League What would be the argument against what I've just said? I think when you look at the club that S Alex Wosen took over U Well took over a side that had already won the league. Yeah United were a long, long way away from that. He had to change the cultural the club. you had to change the accademy and how that was working. had to do everything Yeah have to put the roots in to be able to grow something from there I think you look at the period as well between nineteen ninety to two thousand one Fergie won twenty trophies in that time as well He won the treble large nucleus of accademy players and In his period that man was like nineteen ninety two? two thousand one He won twenty trophies and then obviously between aller one and twenty thirteen, he won a lot more as well I think you look at the players that he did it with the academy and all those kind of things that came through. I think in Fergue's time at United only He was only the top spender three times. It's kind of like this myiff that Fergy outpent everyone and you know he was always spending money. and I just think When you look at the amount of times you revolutionize the team as well, kept changing three or four different squads built those The managers he came up against as well. I don't think he'd be allowing A his slot or Aret to take his title. He was coming up against Venger, the greatreatest arsenal Manager Ev Marinio. I think Jen Klopp gave him a bit of room for his money, didn't he? Jagen Klopp was unbelievable, obviously. I wouldn't say Liverpool's team was the best Premier League team they've had in that time. but the Chelsea Asenal teams work U ninety nine points. ninety nine and's all even points le'sty That's what I said. Yeah, That's what I said I said the Chelsea team was the great team. he came up against. the Arson team was the greatest team he came up against. the Liverpool team Obviously was the one that Pet went up against but I think when you look at the way he did it as well, and for me, it's one hundred and fifteen Big reasons why we got to look at that. Adam listen. I have to look at that. you know, comes out and s you're guilty I wouldn't look at that and go, that means Pep's not a good manager. I'd look at the hierarchy and a lot of that goes before PP. I'm not trying to defend City here But in that time Man youited have spent more money Man city in that town we're talking about, didn't he Yeah, we've been horrendous since Fergulf, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's not, it's not about. He's about the war in any way bying the Well is obvious a great culture not arguing against that, but you have to look at the clubs that they both came into anderg Ferg youind said that's interesting you say that I talk I agree, Man City, I think' won the league a couple of times with different managers. They were obviously always going to be top three or four. scraped When Ferguson came in and people say how bad the club was you know Man United better than me. I'm saying this from afar. I remember sort of the early eighties when Atkinson, M Uner were always there or there aboutam I knowah but I if you't if you don't win the league you are cup team, obviously. So what I' saying is, but you're always chasing Liverpool. you're always in the top three or four When he took all that. And I'm trying to knock Vegas in. I'm just saying this thing that e coming man united are terrible Manel Non eighty five, eighty six should have won the league The season before Ferguson comes in The season is faceful season ninet ninet to finish second In eighty seven, eighty eight is farful Cesason. Mion I said then as a Paul seen because of Paul buys in the boat making that eighty eight, eighty nine, you were twelve or thirteen. That was on the back of Bying Neil Webb or Paul Lns or Danny Wallace players you brouought in Jim Lighton in Gt It didn't That's why That's why a little bit. And I'm look Fegus and I've said that' absolutely adorable What I'm saying is it took him a bit of time to get going. It wasn't just the club, it was He's a lot of bu that didn't win But he was also investing a lot of time into the academy changing those things. And I think that's massively important for a club is super important when you look at the academy record that we've got so I think they The statue of the club at the time whilst Manchester and I were one of the biggest clubs in the country, it was still a lot different and then People always throw the Champions League thing back at him as well,. early stages, you know, we could only pay three foreigners in the team in the early days. and then obviously we had a few slip ups Solely Pet Lost against Monaco,. I think we lost against Monaco as well in ninety seven, I think it was a Dortman game when we lost against them byy a lever Cz and that was a bad one b eventually you got there and w two of them so But if you were talking all around like the whole careers would you still put who would you put on top Fergson? But Fergie did at Aberdeen was unbelievable. Last one the two finals. If you look at the team we had in twenty eleven We shouldn't have even been in that fight. I think we had Valencia, Raphael, Fabio Darren Gibson scored in a Champions League semiinal, like Ferdy was working his magic at that point and he had to compete with You say we spent a lot of money in the PP Gateola era, which which is true From two thousand five onward Fergia had to deal with we sold Cristiana Ronalda for a world record fee. We brought in Gabrielle Holbert to have Valencia and Michael Owan He was dealing with the Glazer and look he covered up for for him a little bit at times as well, which United fans didn't like but he was dealing with the Glazer ownership that weren't really investing in the team in that period of time, it changed from twenty thirteen onwards. So I think you have to reditergy Mpian and for me. She always old great. I couldn't get less way I think. I'd be this same. I' go back quite a far, obviously been an older fan and I remember the first season, you know went we went toe to toe with you that season and we dropped off at the end But I agree with Adam. I'd put Fergie above above Pep. simply because all the reasason I was just thinking when he was talking, all the reasons Adam said he's totally right. United weren't nowhere near whereere City were when Pp came in. And with all due respect to Pep he's a brilliant coach and he has revolutionized football. But the three clubs he's managed have he's had so much wealth is you don't put Louis. I'm not in the worst car why would P Yeah hes had everything he could have possibly where' Fergie built an empire And yeah, you can say he did that when he first came and got that run res up butot then he dropped offer. But to come back from that whilst building that academy. My only thing was it seven years to win the league. I just think if you wouldn't get it was a different t. the multiple evolutions that he had at the time D different kind of minds as Rbert because because obviously talkking about pep like revolutionizing the gameverted vert fullbacks in the midfield, false nines and like. Ferry was more an old school manager, wasn't he? that but the way he ran the club You mentioned the accademy from top to bottom and how they rebuild that whole club? I think Alex Fagguson is the biggest character, when you think of the Premer Lague, you think Alex Fes, don't you think you don't think of Peinams like his press conference or mind games or mayaybe bust ups with his own players. He was a huge I was trying to get I was Fgy was he always brought a good number two, didn't? consistent tactical he was kind of more of a all school manager like but he just evolutioned on every few years and like I said the rebuildt and they rebuildt the team knew what ideas was he was willing to tackle them on board.ote the votees coming out. The votes coming out I just think the Champions League finals just for me. they weren't just winns. they were they were they You also lost ch against a poor Chelity team C decided, but I'm talking about when they come up, they come up against two great teams, Messi and Ronaldo win both teams. It was Ferguson Pecuardiola. I know you're saying one of them it was eleven, we didn't have. Okay, but the other game was still a bit of a And By the way, they had some injuries that day. I think Yayaori played center back the let's put it to the vote He's going Pacuariola. So Las Feguson wins One thing on Fergie though. I remember Fergie's last game at Manchester United and My dad turned into me and saying, and this is what you're about to go through you went You're going to learn what it's like to be a real football fan now son Yeah that's how I feel for you because your head's a bit in the sand and it's going to get real real quick So it writes Adam, So' up being a real football fan He Are you going to need to go through a few ups and downs again this season with Michael Karak in charge. Are you happy with that? I'm happy. yeah, I mean obviously they were't Like I think Rabo made the point earlier, you see realal Madrid getting a Marino in and The world isn't of managerial talent out there it feels at the moment. And I think Michael Karricks brought A little bit of calm and measuredness to the Manchester Unite. I thing. We're going into a summer without The hysterory that we usually have when we get a new manager and we're thinking, o what players is he going to bring in and how are we going to play? And the idea of all these new managers seems to be better than it is when they actually get to workking on the football pitch and I'm really excited to see what he can do. I'm looking forward to this summer. But he just all feels very calm and I think he deserves a lot of credit for what he's done at United. He's calm things down He's got results on a football pitch C crowd's bouncing again. It feels great to be back in the Stretford end and at old travel and you could feel it under the Amorim it just kind of got a little bit I couldn't be asked really, like, you just turn up and you'd be like, we're going to see some boring football again and the manager's going to gaslight us after and It's just going feel crap. and I think Cari has made it feel a little bit calmer and just I'm looking forward to this season. Obviously it's the Premier League next season, I think it's a little bit open. I think Asenal obviously the overwhelming favorites going into the campaign, but you look at all the other clubs, you don't know what Lverpool are going to be like. we don't know what Chelsea are going be like. We don't know what city are going to be like. And there's a big opportunity there to maybe challenge I think the goal has to be to get into the top four. that has to be the goal for the season But if you can get yourself into December and you're not You're not too far away there's no reason why we can't we have to have a big summer. because you finished third this season I had this little little debate with Gar at the end of the season after the United Liverpool cameame about I'm almost saying, don't get kidded by United this year because I think it's a little bit of a I think I use the word false economy in terms of No European football didn't even get to a quarter final of I think you went out in the firstair of the Bld Cup competition, I think. So what I'm saying is that's not normal. That's not going to happen next se. And so It's going to be different. but on the back of finishhing third And you're saying a little bit of a situation with other clubs. Are you expecting a title challenge or would you I would you start off the season someone off would do Champions League football now would you take that for next? Oh yeah, but at the same time I think if you look at where, let's say we compaare this season to what could potentially happen next season, I think a lot of the points that we dropped were at home I think you look at you think the Everton, West Ham, Wolves, Bournemouth, etceter is at home So it's not like we have to get better against playing against Man City and man sorry, Arsen and all these teams We have to get better playing against those teams at home and obviously. Pressures change once you are a little bit closer to the top. top two teams or a top one team and If you are in a title race, you start to see players acting differently That wouldn't be the goal for me at the start of season. It's consolidate, get top three again and see where we can go. there might be an opportunity to open up and I think if we can invest wisely in the summer what eighties? I think that midfield has to get Um We have to go big in midfield. in a similar way to last summer, we kind of went Let's address is front free and we bought in three quality players, I think we have to do the same with the The midfield I'd be looking at threeree players in the midfield as well. Any names Um We're being linked to Edison at the moment. I'm a little bit torn on that one. I don't know too much about it granted, but From what I see what I have seen, I don't feel like he would be a first choice for us. But if he comes in as like the third option, I don't mind that. I like Mates Fernandez at West Ham. There may be an opportunity there I still like Carlos Belabber despite him having a little bit of a flatter season this season. or Maini could become available if things change at real Madrid U But honestly I don't think we'll get Elliot Anderson Fernalo Silver's best days are behind him. and I don't think he'd ever come to Manchester Unite anyway,ange. But he's been relegated to two seasons a row by the way, so Fernande. Yeah, watchatch out.. I mean, Ruben Am rem mated him, which tells me he's probably a good player to Dest. But I think if you look at The two remaine is Adam Warton I think we need one of those kind of top players and then two players that can can rotate and come in You just mentioned because of the upheaval in other clubs, there might be something where you maybe maybe challenge for the title shake. Who'd you think would finish higher next season Manchester Unitedoran City Oh Oh no. what a bad question. M We're as close to you as you were asked thirteen thirteen seasons in a row. We' finished above United. So that's like asking don Birerming that I think you're in for a massive shock now. They're not last you're not. I don't I don't think it'll be that big a shock. I think Manity will definitely finish above mind. and way I say is because you've se.re going to be Chan Lague. Well, you know it's going to be Chm' Lague season and as you mentioned the other Cup competitionions as well. I think that'll be a huge in their squad unless they go get six, seven players this has to be the aim, I think. That's I'm saying like because at the minute they're wafer th thing and it's been okay Saturday to Saturday And that's probably worked in Karak's favor as well. he's got the job because I mean Brun's got play this season and and he's got all these assists but Kick If he's going to real Madrid on Wedesday coming back, you know, playing Bourouth the away in the Saturday, twelve thirty. likeike there's so much extra strain on that squad. So I definitely think City will finish abo both them because I do believe City will go again this summer as well and strengthen where a new manager wants to strengthen as well. And these players are hardened up to Wednesday, Saturday, whereas the United P players aren't I' tell you what you said it was a bad question you have a vote. Well, youve got to bear mind there's going to be a fifty five point deduction. Exactly. Well, if that comes under you know what I mean? That'll be close then. Yeah Yeah I've just. Howave we left you so long On the back of such a great I think he's not se he's not saying nothing because all this managerial chat he's thinking I'm just going to put my h on, right? Yeah No one mentioned Ununa Emray for the Liverpool job or for my' not wor about matter how long it takes to talk about a team that won a European Cup final, or not the European Cup, but a European final. I' might be we sit here and white my turn, What was it like Jph to be you there? Yep was You know what? It's this, I've gott to be honest and I probably speak like I I didn't want an Arsenal to win. I don't like to see me rivals whenin you know, a big trophy someone at the backstairs pointing his arms up. you an Arenal fan is o go I'll explain up there Premership side League. Yeah not sport. who's your te Okay No but it's interesting. I've seen you throw your hands up. I could but the point I'm trying to make is I was delighted of a villa and I was delighted of a palace. But if it was at Chelsea Arsenal M United Nland City who I see as Liverpool's rivals, I would never want to see them win a European trol f. Unfortunately, that makes me a bit sad because that means you don't see Villa as a rival Maybe it was maybe if you were in the Champions League, I'd feel differently. but the fact that it was the Europa League. So do you not put Viller at that level now then? No. you think Villa can challenge the Preimer Leue season or? The only thing that will stop us next season and we'll obviously get into that is our recruitment Again, we're going to another summer We're going to have to have your money to spend now this summer. We're hamstrung again. this is the fourth season in the row. We're going to go into summer with who knows who's got to leave? you know, there's big talks of Morgan Rogers going and having to settle, you know Lvel the books again be very how can you ever compete? This is the problem. We compete because of one reason in Iama, you know, four seasons in a row' been it and we finished European qualification every season guably if we had't lost United that last gam last season would have been three champions Lague qualifications in a row. We've got two in a row. He's put the first trophy in the cabinet. first European trophy for forty three years, the first trophy of any kind for thirty years and with all of the managerial manigaounds going on. I think last time I come, Jammie asked me who You know, do I think Unim is the best manager in the Premier League? I said no. I said I think he's number two behind Ppp. I will upgrade that now. He's now comfortably the best manager in the Premier League without any question. What is that to do with Villa since he came in seventeenth under Gerard to qualifying for the champ for the confference league in that first season, which was No one would have even ever said that when he walked through the door. could he qualify for Europe and then to do it consistently for the next three seasons. this season. I mean Spurs won the Europa League last year finished seventeenth. We've now won the Europa League and finishing European qualification. againain, we've had best player missing for half a season got injured in January. The two of our three midfielders got injured for two months. Everybody wrote us off. I was listening to all Cniv the podcasts everyone say when they were trying to predict their top four for the end of the season. noobbody mentioned Villa again. And I've had it again today. Now nobody mentions Villa for anything. I understand that we've got this problem with finances. So we are constantly having to sort of fight that all the time and try and be very clever with the way we bring plers in and out. but he's managed to do all this on the low you, I think our net spend since Emory Cyman is lower than Burnley. Which I agree what you've just said in terms of being the best manag.' I said that a lot. I think over the last year or two that Besides Pppuariola, when you look at what he's achieved or his body of work I mean, winning at Oper League for is it for five times now was it? Five times? Five times I mean How is he not on that shortlist for manager of the year? And also un belieelievable can ask manager. you think Un Emry would Do you think he could walk back into arrsenal win us the league and get us to a Chamzeag final? you'd have had the confidence in Emory that you've given to our Teta and giving him the freedom that villa of given, which was never going to happen You would be multiple Premier League Champions by. I'm a big fan ofrttera it's only I mean, and' the Premier League but he' won two trophies in seven years. Yeah. But Artes has spent one point one billion since he's come in. And you go to a Champions League finally sets up like Sam Aladas you're acting like Viller a massive underdogs. Uayami iss a terrific manager. You've really seventeen four years and we've got a lower net spend than Burnley. Yeah. you've got a What manager can do what he's done in that time with that budget. But then what's the next Don't forget what's the next step? The N next step was to win a trophy, We've done that now. Yeah And now the next st is to go win another one. But next year the key for me next season is Trump Champions League qualification again. We need that two year qualification because when we did when we weren't When we got a Champions LeagueQification two years ago, that really helped release a little bit of the financial shackles And then we dropped into the the to the Oa League albeit with that meant we could go and win it But that then created this problem where we've had to comply with European regulations, which is insane. And now we've qualified again for the Champions League. So next year, hopefully things will lift up a little bit more. And then if we can do it again I mean, all I ever talk about when I'm comeing here is money and it's sad It's sad because we've got a manager. We've got an ownership that can compete with anybody in the Premereag. We've got a manager comping because of clubs like you. No, they didn't come it, they got generated by clubs like them. justick it It' it's absolutely sing that we've got everything to compete at the very, very top. It's sad how much your club's ripping off your fans as well, isn't it? You know, ninety nine pounds ifs for Champions League football in it?'re absolutely sh J But just going back to United I then He's an elite manager, my opinion, E elite manager and we're not we're not we're talking about I was the Remberid job, The Liverpool job's still on the table. And then you're talking about the net spend less than burning. Yeah Do you worry from an ass developer point of view, the go O one of these clubs eventually going Now the way I say that is because he's handcuffed and he's qualifying for Europe just one the Europe Lague he's an elague manager But ifump something part of his brain must be like I can go to Real Madrid, I can go to Liverpool and be a Premer Lague winner model This comes quite a lot. sh, to be honest and that's my worryt the moment, though, I don't see that because what he's building almost utterly pointless to do what he's done in four years. And like I say, if he does get another Champions League qualification next year at some point these shuckles will be released and then he can hopefully go and really, really have a go. And I think to set the sort of the foundations he has and then not go on and take advantage of what he's built would be a real shame Yet, obviously in another two years time, if we're still where we are and a a bigger job come I always said Rail, Madrid Barlona, Tpe clubs were the only two that could possibly take him away I don't see a Preier League currently giving him the he's got like this go god like head No control that Millado And he won't he wont get that on other place. And I totally agree with what you're saying about the money side of it. and you know Villa do you know, these pricices and season tickets have g up five percent again. and I've always sat really on the fence. I sort of I understand that football, like in many things is so priced But money in football is ridiculous isn't it from every single aspect. playlers' costs, players' wages, agents fees. And clubs it's a it's such a shine that clubs fail. they have to cost on to fans because I'd love it to be twenty quid. I really would but it's falsey a false economy though. what they lose is generations of other fans comeing bring bringing your kid that kind se the clubs have to make and they have to live I don't think they actually profit anything off it. I think it's very, very cheap to start trying to charge Fans that have made your club. You look back hundred years, it's these generations. you look back in history. These are the people that made the club. one hundred percent I don't think we should be this is affordable thing. This iss not a rastingilla thing. Yeah I'm not saying, I'm hounding. Liverpool had six wee for the owners back down. There was a something going on at the city bo six, twelve months. Yeah. and by no means houndingingill I'm just saying J for. Yeah next season, we've got one of our stancies out of You know, we've got three stands. We've got thirty seven tays in the Champers League next season And are we are the only team in the Premier League that has to constantly battle finances. So I sort of understand what the club's processes, I don't agree with it. I think I think it's wrong to charge night onQuid for a ticket. They put that out there right now. It's wrong But the clubber thinking, how on earth do we get to a point withith what they have given us You know, a trophy, four years of European qualification, brilliant games, brilliant nights of Villa Park, beatating B by Munich, beating Paris S Gimance not for everyone obviously. But you know, doing doing all these things and having and having the time in my life I've had over the last four years, which I couldn't have dreamed of when Stephven Gerard left on the day when we lost to full and four one It's ins signign So for me at the moment, I'm sort of saying I will accept it. as long as we keep pushing forward. And all line the problem is where's the line? Is there not a line We're as bigg as club as anybody in the Premier League You've got to remember that mate. Honestly, you haven't been around as long as I am. Villa are as bigg as club as anybody in the Premier League. And if we can't release the shackles and no offense to Liverpool, you know, you're saying you know four hundred million spent the summer, and you're saying the squad wasn't capable of competing We spent net thirty million. Weve won a trophy finished. I think'sbieable Ill have done that. sorry to interrupt you, but I'm really curious about Emy. If you think that he's the best manager comfortably in Preier Lague in chase talking about all these other need was No no siffing around for him because he I think clubs have, that's the reality. There's a lot of. I think people think I think to be to be Un I Emory, I think eventually At some stage of his career will want to win the Champions League. O What he's done under the Eur League is unbelievable Whether you're a player a manager, you're want to be known as theop Lague man the next level is the Champions League. He's had a couple of opportunities at what we'd call as the elite clubs in terms of Patdis Sanjaman and Arsenal and it hasn't quite worked. Now is that because he doesn't have the full control in terms of running the whole ship like he does at Astinall and also is probably as His style of management, not obviously I've never been managed by him, but he's Almost micro mananagers doesn't need there's players and meetings. Now whether the absolute superstar players you know, the best plers in the world would sort of want U and I Ey in team meetings every day I don't know that that's always Yeah that's probably one of the reasons why But when youre actually look at his body of and what he's want and the clubs he's being at Right now when you look at the Premier League and we've got new managers at most of the clubs. and I know you're thinking Areta But it's our Tester's first job, He's doing a brilliant job But's won the Premier League after seven years. He won one FA Cup. I think he's still got a few more trophies to go where he could have a body of awake where you could look at what Uni Emory' done. Yes, at lesser clubs and he' still probably hasn't proven himself as the real elite giant Champions League Cub, that might be next for them in terms of And I think he's a good point. and I think why I think he probably didn't work at Arsen and maybe not so much at PSG is that he went in and tried to put his philosophy into those hyper massive clubs, massive personalities, the biggest players in the world. But what Avilla is doing now is put this like I say, foundation in place. So if we can break through the glassroom, if we're close to doing now then he can start bringing those. zy. and then they will have to. buy into what the club is you know the philosophy of the club is. And I think that's a lot easier to do when you've had four years to build something than leaving and going to around Madrid and saying from day one Five hour meetings, lads. now we ain't doing that. But A villa it you come into that group of players that know that it's a five hour meeting and you either say, yeah, I'm up for it or I don't sign. Wh I think that's a lot easier way to sort And I think that's where he's at. That's why I say over the next two, three years, it's going to be critical to break that real real think the challenge for the Premier League table T years I think eventually, yeah I was delighted that you w I really was and I was also delighted to see Crystal Palace win. the confference League Danat. I mean, what a time you've had over the last one? Yeah. A couple of years. Well, you can look at sort of thirteen months really with the FA Cup final the community shhield in this and, you know Obviously it's easy to come on here and say time of my life, but it genuinely has been You know, you look back to twenty ten And the club was going to be liquidated. We had to go to Svle Wednesday. we had to get a draw. We had nine players in the first team that summer We've since done thirteen straight years in a Premier League, been in two FA cup finals You know, every single year it's very easy, I think, for neutrals to look at Oliver Glasner and say That's the guy that's completely changed it and he has. You know, he came in and he said, I'm not a magician and everyone's like, well you're a liarer because you've come in and you've completely transformed the club It's not just Oliver Glassner turned up and suddenly we became this team. You know, there are foundations, there are all sorts of players that I could name Across the last fifteen or sixteen years that have built us to this point But one thing Oliver Glaster did do which've changed the mentality and the expectation of the squad. because I think if you look at Roy Hodson, the definition of a safe pair of hands. You know, if someone came in, wanted to stabilize, kept us in mid table. we were never going to be relegated, but it wasn't a case of us aiming for the stars and O of a Glaz they came in and said, why not And I think it took Not just the fans and the players, but the ownership as well, six to twelve months to sort of understand it was possible And for us to get in the FA Cup run I mean, we went to fullham in the court of fininals And it just felt different. You know, we won that game. We took Villa apart in the semi, probably the best ninety minute performance I've ever seen out of a palace team and Justin would probably back up. We battered him that day played city in a final. no one really gave us a chance from a neutral perspective, win and won that Th then goingm win a community shield against the Premier League Champions. and I know that people don't take the community shield seriously in terms of the elites But for us to be there, having won the FA company and win again justust pinch yourself stuff. and then obviously there was all the stuff with the Europa League being booted out of that going into the conference Around Christmas time It very much came the wheels were coming off. You know, Mark Gay went to Manchester City, Oliver Glasnener came at a press conference said he couldn't work under these conditions. It felt as though Everything had fallen apart and yet credit to him and all the players because As soon as the January window closed We got back to basics, We made sure that we were safe in the Premier League We never really looked like we were going to be relegated And as soon as the knockout games kicked in, No Forentina I know that both Florentina and Shakar by not teams to have the European pedigree in twenty twenty six that they did maybe ten or twenty years ago For us Yeah, it's made in territory. You know we're going into Europe. We've never been there before went to Florence, sorted it out of there, went in front after twenty one seconds against Shaktar and Krakov took him, you know, comfortably in the second leg and then to go into the final I wouldn't say I necessarily expect it to win because As much as you look at the budgets of the two sides and where Ro Vacana would come from, we're always going to be the favorites, but it's still Crystal Palace in a European final And we were just comfortable. you know, over the course of the game, I think we deserved it. I mean, Pino' free kick, I'm sure many of you have seen it. I have no idea it doesn't go in and And yeah, we saw it out and he's given me the best eighteen months of my life. You would is, you've lost your pp. Yes and no. I think I mean, I've said this to a fair few people We can't as a fan base expect to have this. It's not going to be the norm. It can't be. you know, you've already mentioned with Fast and Villa There are financial powers above us What he has done In many senses is hamstring future managers because they can't get away with saying, We're Crystal Palace, you can't expect to win things because we know it's possible So That sense before five or ten years ago of well, we can't be in finals. we can't go and do this. We know that we can do it. It's just a case of dancing through Rindrops. and hopefully Whoever comes in next has that same mentality because I think that's the key thing that has shifted over the last two years. Who do you want to come in Initially I wanted A downia Aola and I honestly believed that if it weren't for Liverpool making a change, it would have been s I'm not saying it would have happened, but I think there was a chance that we've been speaking to him for a fair while Obiously Liverool com in it's a very different. J just sorry for jumping in I think for most people are on the outside when it was I Ioa' going to go to Christ the Palace. No,, no dis smpect, but it felt like sideways I didn't quite understand what would What was the? I mean, listen, you know the probably the insides of the world. What were they th think? What was it? I always think far as I know, and this isn't me saying categorically, I believe because obviously Over Glazner told the club in October that he was going to leave it We've been speaking to him informally from sort of November onwards His north star prior to the Liverpool interest was always the Bill Baljob And I think Terzich has gone in there and signed a two year deal And he probably saw crystal Palace as this idealsort of not next rung up on a ladder, but an opportunity for him to potentially go into European football again. I think the key factor was that we were going to give him complete control of the transfer market in terms of who came in and who didn't. And if you look at Bournemouth with Semeno, with Kirkz with all sorts of players by all hamstrong financially. So I think he saw potentially an opportunity to have two years where he can bring players in that he wants, let the players that he's not that bothered about leave and sort of continue to boost Isn't that my? Glasnaner left orready had problems with the board. Glazar's situation is very murky. You know, he signed this two in a bit year deal made it very clear to the board that he wasn't going to be sticking around. No one really knows why. I don't I don't think it's necessarily a fooled out because if you listen to the owners There's no sort of crossed words I think it was just a marage of convenience that ran its course. but it's about getting the next one right now Right St done the man I was at the last game of the season, the three and no win against Leeds where I think even in the game obviously you were there. There wass no real feeling that I didn't get the feeling that going into the game that West I'm supposs were too hopeful that You know, it was going to teing around on that day You're obviously devastated But who who's the person you think of Almost like the reason why you put the blame at their door? where In a bigger scale, David Sullivan. I've got blame for Nuno, I've got blame for players, but it comes down to Sullivan and the way that he scammed the fans, really and we have been scammed. You know, you come in, proport yourself to be a West An fan, You tell us You know, we have to move. we have to move to uns to compete with the arrsenals and the Chelseaas and the Liverpools. We have to move to get Champions League football. The sightlines are going to be equal to Upton Park. Here's all these images. Look how brilliant it looks and then we get there. And someone said it on my channel, too he promised us Champions League and delivered the championship. So we give up so much And years of bad recruitment decision making, lack of ambition when it comes to managers has got us where we deserve to be right now, not the fans, but the club I don't think I've ever heard a fan bass some un happappy with the stadium move as West Am supporters It doesn't feel like anybody anybody's happy happy with that or can see any Cliff in any way. I mean, you get sixty thousand, what was Westam forty? It was about thirty five thirty five forty He. Is there no way you could see thinking in terms of what I'm, you know, more fans, more money into the club Supposedly by better players. We have more revenue Yeah boy. I just I look at it and I think because I've seen a lot of people in media say, you know, they had to take the deal. It was too good to turn down. Tottenham the chance to take that stadium. What did they say? They said We'll have it, but we'll justwig water to knock it down. It's not a football stadium. They saw the problems with it. They didn't take this beautiful deal. and yeah, you look at revenues and things like that. but When you're not Rumwell as a football club, we've got sixty thousand seeter stadium and we're relegated Bornemouth have an eleven thousand seatater stadium. Now they're playing in Europe Palace have twenty five thousand seet same. they have not only equaled what we've achieved since we've moved it, they've surpassed what we've achieved since we've moved. Sngl them were in league one. Now they're playing European football. You know, all these clubs did not have to move. It comes from the top. it comes from the structure and how you run as a football club. And we still run like a nineties football club. like we're in the eighties and nineties. We're thirty years behind every other club and how they do things. you know, when you've got an owner getting on the phone to, you know, agents and clubs going, yeah, fancy that player or you know, give me a discount on that What modern Premier League club runs are that? Our training facilities, I've just seen How are getting brand new state of the art training facilities Antonio, he came up in a podcast and said How when they was at Chadwell Laf and they was moving to our current one, they was promised it was going to be this new state of the art facility. and they said it was port of cabins So everything we sorry, do the fans take any blame what you say from West Ham? J just go back like obviously when David Moyys was there. They had a European trophy similar to youre talking about Palace and But the fans were on his case, weren't they saying, no, we want a different style of football. Do you think would you got to relegated a headad Moice state, for example, or was that the owners made that decision or was the fans part of that decision? would you say? Well the fans, yeah, there was definitely unrest that season because you know, we was playing the worst football ever, right? And this was this wasn't the football that Moyys played when he first came by the way. You started playing the counter attacking football And it worked and we liked it, but teams figured us out. And it stopped working because Keith's team starts paying us more respect. So we changed the style And it didn't work. but You know, we did we worked in Europe, but not in the League and we went back to. we can see in like six knills, five knills Of course we're going to be unhappy But that's not why he left he left because they want they brought in a director of football And they said to David Moooy is right Here's a new contract we take where the manager contracts a head coach contract. We want to be head coach. Moys old school did not want to be a head coach. So he left And when it comes down to Mise and I always get this a lot, you know, if you had Mise, if you have moise, all these other clubs, like I said, the Bornouth don't have Mise, pallets don't have moise. How do all these other clubs do? It's what you do after Moise You know, it's look, we just talked about Hodgson, steady stable manager You know, you don't think, how can you get rid of Hodson? No, they get rid of Hodson. You bringing something like Glasnna Emory like why could we never go and get these manag? They slapped down. How much was it Was it eight million or something? eight million that will' have Emory. No, we go who's free Lopateagi. He's out of a job he managed in the Premier League G Graham Potter Yeah, he's free. he managed in the Premier League. No no, we've just slapped him free Nil And yeah, he's managing the Premier League and he's just been sacked. Let's have him, M There's never any ambition. You happy you kn no stayed and you think he's probably the right man to bring you straight back up from the championship. He's won the championship asly beforeward will Yeah think puff of breath there give me a second here.ial my initial feelings was that in season I whated N no gone? I think he's bottled it This season. he's made a horrific job of keeping us up. When he took us over we were two points from safety And at the end of season, with're two points from safety. when looker we did well to cllaw back and we went on a little run, but there's so many games where he's just thrown it away. We was two nill up at Bornemouth, right take offff striker, bring them a defender. we go to draw the game. You know, the Newcastle result was where I really turned on the Newcastle game because You go into that game and game we have to win And you play a back five, a formation that we have never won in this season and new costs rarely lose against And you just think, like, why are you changing it? Like that run we had is when you started playing that sort of two up top system and you just change it for no reason. and he just goes negative and then twenty minutes in he's like, o. I've made a huge mistake I've got to change it up and go back to what worked and it's too late But I feel like ultimately it's probably the right decision to stick with him because We would have been on this looking for managers and it would have been like some like Scott Parker who good track record of getting you out the Championship, not a good track record of keeping you in the Premier League So the managers that we would have looked at Dish wouldn't have got rid of him before. So at least now we you know, can go and start focusing on recruitment because we' mers behind other championshiphip clubs. We've got to sell a load of players before we can think about bringing anyone in. But you think how quickly it changed to No this season before the Forestormmost Champions League probably going for M manager and he's as I said that as well. would that spectacularly? No. you know. All right, Listen, we're going to finish there. Thanks guys and that is it for another great episode of the fan debate brought to you by Skybet. catch it next time