Moving Forward and Protecting Journalists

We're great to see you. We're going to give you a minute to come on in to join us. We have a very special special not she's never she's not even again. She's family. I consider her my younger sister , Ellie Leonard , Ellie's here is one of the most incredible writers here on Substack, but somebody's special when it comes to the FC files. So we have and that has a lot to do with a lot of the stuff we're going to talk about. So come on in guys , mash those hearts , make sure we get a lot of as many people in as possible because two things today they're extremely important . A, important to keep the Epstein files in our in the news and there's nobody out there that like Ellie, not only does she write about it, she talks about it, she reports on it, but she also does readings from the files almost every other night, which is, you know, the most important thing. You keep it in the news, you keep it in the spotlight and you don't allow them to change the change the narrative . And with that said, there's coordinated, uncoordinated plan, fun . We're not going to get into exactly because we have not enough investigator work to understand if these are , you know, strategical , you know, operations that are being glad together or these are just some nuts out there that want to get some fame , but they're trying to do it on the wrong person . There's been a major attack campaign that's been going on Ellie Leonard here not only on Substack, but on Threads on other social media platforms . And they're using the Epstein files. They're using the Epstein surviv ors, some of them, which we're not going to get into, but some of them that are deeply hurt and using some of their weaknesses to be able , I don't know what they're trying to do, but either way, we're not going to let them get away with it. And later in the show, we're going to talk about some of the ways we're going to stop it, some of the ways we're going to make sure that they don't allow this to go on because it's not dividing our community. Nobody's listening to these people. It's everybody understand s who Ellie is, but it's hurting the Epstein survivors. And it's hurting Ellie's herself. She's a human being because she's still a person that has to read these messages. And you know, and to all of us that sometimes people look at us and say, well, they're personalities or they're used to it, they're on there all the time, they get a lot . When you get hate, hate is but when it's one thing, but when you get attacked on something that's very personal and dear to you and like your family or like something like the Epstein files or it's personal and it's very it goes beyond the point. So that's why we wanted to do the special live. I want to talk about this and that not just talk about it, not just bring awareness, but at the end of the show, I want to figure out how we're going to stop this and how we as a community are going to allow to use our voices and to be able to figure out how we're going to stop it. But before we go into all that craziness, hello, put that aside because we're going to stop it. Let's talk about important the important stuff, some of the stuff that's happening on in the Epstein files . it com Whenes to I know we had Leon Black that was appeared which didn't get any even close to enough coverage that it should have because obviously Trump's distractions we had an incredible win by Katie Fang on a lawsuit that now and I love it because a lot of people were saying, Oh , she should have even filed it. She has no standing, no standing. Well, she got stand to and you got to stand . You know what I'm saying ? And you know, and it's we'll talk about Maxwell. Nobody talks about has a new bid to try to get her conviction overturned. Nobody's talking about there is a lot. A lot . So yeah, so I'm going to let you go into what you think is important. Let's touch on so br weing'll everybody up to speed on what's happening . Okay, so the main thing is that we're in this kind of swath of, I don't know if you'd call them depositions because they're not under oath. They're interviews, but a house oversight committee of major players in the Epstein case. So we had Leon Black this week. We had prior to that we had Leslie Groff, who's one of the main assistants. We had Sarah Callen, we had Bill Gates . Tomorrow is a man named Doug Band , who not very many people know who Doug Band is. He is Bill Clinton's assistant . And if you are digging through the files , a lot of people know about Bill Clinton's email address that he didn't himself use very often, but somebody used all the time. And if you just look up W JC yeah, WJC, that's his email address domain . You will find the weirdest emails where they are talking about spanking and it is between somebody who's redacted and Gallaine Maxwell that is most likely Doug Banned. She was good buddies with him. He was an assistant to or I don't know executive assistant to Clinton . I don't know what his role was , but they were very, very, very close. They talked about going out to bars, like they were just very tight. So that is who is being interviewed tomorrow. Leon Black, it's very interesting because none of these have been under oath , I believe since maybe was Darren Inc. I can't remember if the ones that were videotaped were under oath, but you know, since then, like what making all these people have not been under oath , but they can perjure themselves that they lie . But you know, you kind of you're listening through these, I'm reading to Leslie Groffs and you're just like, nah, you know, this obviously doesn't really add up here and here , but it was so bad with Leon Black. And Leon Black is somebody who was one of Epstein's paying clients , billionaire, you know, very arrogant, had mistresses that he walked down , you know , the ab and in New York why he was just very confident with himself, but he was also a very big perpetrator in the Evcene files. He is in these unknown survivor journals . Like he's a lot of places for being very violent. He's a bad guy . And so they went and they started questioning him and he was arrogant. He would not answer any questions . And so in the middle of this questioning, they subpoenaed him and so now he has to come back and speak under oath. So now, you know, because of his behavior in that interview, he is now being subpoenaed. So he has to come back well, again, we have this like long list of people who are going to be interviewed Alan Dershowitz , you know , pretty scuzz bags, you know, run of the mill That's kind of what's going on right now. And so right now what I am doing is I'm going through Leslie Groff's interview transcript, which is really, really long. Hers is probably about one hundred page longer than they usually are, so she had a very, very long interview . I am finding out some really interesting pieces of information that I didn't know before, like there's something called decoy flights, which is where they would set up flights and they would tell the girl's parents that they were going one place and then that was just a decoy ticket and then they would fly them somewhere else with Epstein. And that's very clearly in the emails. And she's discussing that. She's acting like it's no big deal. And I just thought that, you know, that's not something I've ever heard about these decoy flights. And so anyway, that's what I have been working on as far as she 's lawsuit. Katie's Fang's lawsuit is so valid and so provable and I could, you know, I could just list off a hundred different things that are violations in the Esteen Files Transparency Act. You can find missing decades in the emails. You can find people who are redacted based on their reputation, which it says clearly you're not supposed to do, people who are not reacted who are surviv ors, you can find things that have been pulled out like the three hundred and two s for the for the survivor out of Hilton Head Island in South Carolina. There's just it's like every page there's a violation on it. So she has such a valid lawsuit. You know, the only way he's going to get passed is just by breaking rules like Trump because also I was looking up. I thought, you know, if he if it's proven that he violated the Epstein Files Transparency Act, like what are the next steps? And it's like, oh he , you know, Todd Blanche would have to punish himself . The person who's supposed to punish somebody for breaking an act is the head of the DOJ. Well, that's also Pat Winch. So that's going to have to get figured out, but it's a very, very valid case. No, I agree with you. And there's interesting parts about everything you just there because I mean from what I'm hearing what I could just add a little bit to it. So Todd Blanche as far as the Katie thank you, I agree with you. It was an incredible case. I'm hearing though that Blanche is going to basically just disregard and say that certain things they can't disclose. The other thing is I'm hearing from the House Oversight Committee Comer is going to be like you said, he's very confident that Black is going to come in and he Dershowitz and these people and from what I'm hearing from my sources and the ins ight is this is now being done to paint the story because one of the things he said very properly he said is they're being brought in not under oath . It's sort of like a round table situation. When Blanche first came in, a garcia and Democrats stalled out if you remember and I think they balked and they didn't even because it wasn't, you know, under oath or anything like that. So they tried to paint a narrative because of what there's certain things. I saw Comer today on ECNN. He came out talking about, well, this case is very and this is what I wanted you to touch on a little bit, Ellie, because this is something to do with also what I'm working on. You know behind the scenes, I'm also working on a case with the survivors that if it works out, it's going to be very powerful to be able to get accountability. We're working with the lawyers. And one of the things he said is that a lot of the of the survivors that he's there that the oversight committee is finding out sign NDAs that there was a lot of NDA signed. Can you talk a little bit about what that NDA whole thing and and because I have my own ideas, but I wouldn't I'm guessing for the ones who were prior to two thousand eight and when he was bringing girls in every day from the high school , probably fewer NDAs happened back then just because they had, you know, three a day. That'd be tough to keep up with. But once he went to jail that first time, he got very structured about the systematic ways that he brought girls in for massage and from where and how after his arrest after his arrest he got really freaked out and so then he started like panicking about like the visas and making sure every girl had one of those Einstein visas. And so that's how he got that system started . But then he for all the assistance before and after that first case, they had to sign an NDA to work for him as his assistant. And many of them were being abused as well, but they had to sign an NDA. And in Lesley Broff's transcript, which she was never sexually abus ed because she was thirty five when she started, Epstein was not interested in her in that way. She was considered too old for him , but when she started, she had to sign an NDA and in it it said if she broke the NDA , meaning one of the main things in it was she couldn't say who his clients were. She was not allowed to say who his paying clients were, right? Those are all the people that were trying to figure out. If she said who his paying clients were, she had to pay him one hundred thousand dollars for doing that. So they were very locked down because they didn't make enough money to pay anybody one hundred thousand dollars . And so all the assistants, you know, Sarah Cohen, who's making twenty five thousand dollars a year, they had to sign this NDA that said they wouldn't talk about the things they knew inside the house . Now obviously, that NDA is an old and void , but now they're, you know, they're in the legal system and they in the case of Sarah Kellen, she will not talk about it unless she's given immunity again . And so but there definitely were NDAs all along the way. It's interesting to hear and it's not interesting put yourself. I'm not surprised they were NDAs. I'm sure there were because you know, even the structure as we've spoken about , you know , Epstein was more using a local, you know, pedophilia ring than he was from I don't know some of these poor families and underprivileged girls locally from Palm Beach area or where he was around and then after his arrest that's when he started going out s more European European girls trying to, you know, get and also getting into that, you know, NDAs and stuff like that . I'm curious to see why Comer's bringing up and that's what I'm saying to NDAs now when they would all be null and void. But he was using he was using where he was like, well, Todd Blanche is going to come in. And I'm sure he's going to come in, but we have to take a look at some of these deals that were made by the DOJ , by the NEAs, that so he was making it seem like there were deals done by the DOJ with some of these victims and some of these survivors. He was saying that some of these victims themselves happen to be the victimizers also by bringing other girls in that, even though they didn't know it themselves, but they're painting up. That's what the DOJ. The DOJ painted them, give us a little bit more about that . So okay. So in the case of like the assistants, there were four assistants who were given immunity in the first court case and they were called co conspirators in the case . That was likely something that was created by Epstein because if that if something with that was broken, it would benefit him. It would not benefit them. And it was to keep them from speaking. Like everything that was done, NDAs, everything' with the DOJ was to keep them from speaking . They were not told about that plea agreement, at least two of them. I know Sarah Cowen and Natie Marching Covid did not know about that plea agreement at the time. Sarah Cowellen claims not to have known it until two years after the trial. She didn't even have a lawyer. They were never spoken to by any law enforcement officials. Nobody questioned them . And so they didn't know why they were considered co conspirators , but they were told that that meant that they couldn't speak, like they couldn't say anything or they would get in trouble . And so they didn't. They were afraid . But then separately, you had the NDAs that were within Epstein's world that were penned by Darren Dyke and his legal teams that kept them from saying anything that went on inside the houses, inside the island , you know, that type of thing. And those they were, they were very fearful of those because financially he had a hold over them. He paid them just enough to survive, but not enough to save . And so if he came after them financially, they didn't have anything to pay for that. They didn't have their own lawyers. Every time they got a lawyer, it was him giving them a lawyer. It was one of his lawyers . And so they were really in a bind . Again, it is, you know, you question whether someone is a co conspirator or are they , you know, a victim or is it a little bit of both ? And how do we grapple with that ? And so these transcripts are a little bit eye opening because I don't think we're all the way . But there is definite reflections at least in Sarah Kellen's testimony of grooming and somebody who came in very young and very naive and had nothing and how manipulated they were financially and with that like power struggle . No and that's what I'm saying to you. Like I'm with you on why Epson was you. I was curious why Colmer was bringing it because the NDAs would be null and void . The DOJ deals, I mean by the court ruling by the would be irrelevant. All these deals was but he was using it was like he was prepping already basically Blanche's testimony that there are certain documents that they want to see, but they just can't see it like for some reason he's saying I want and the reason I'm saying that is I want people to understand that Coma is not somebody that's looking for transparency. The oversight committee, you know, they come out there, even though they're being pushed, they're being pushed because there's just overwhelming evidence. It's just overwhelming . They're they just it's like they're being pushed by a raging river that they're trying to stop. They just can't stop it. But if they could, they're doing everything possible because any one of these testimonies if they would be properly having him in front of the public under oath, under testimony, we would be having a totally different case. No . Right. And I just think that that first case was so not transparent. We don't know what happened there and why he was given what he was given , that I don't think they're going to give up that information very easily because that exposes everybody who was at the DOJ and on Alex Acosta's team , you know, because Maria Villagia at the time, she was the lead prosecutor in that case, and she wanted to bring a very long list of indictments against Epstein. And she got kicked off the case and he ended up with two . And the plea deal allowed him to leave his cell twelve hours a day, six days a week to go to a business that he created just to have a place to go. That happened to be down the aisle, you know, down the aisle from his lawyer . It was guarded by people who worked at the jail. He played the, you know what I mean? It's very, very corrupt . So I don't think we know everything about that trial. I don't think we've seen all the documents from that trial and they are going to be very, very hesitant to let any of that go . Yeah, no, I agree with you there. Tell me Elliot, what about the Maxwell? What's give us the lady Greatest? What's what's she trying to do? She's vying for pardon's prize. Yeah, that's that's what we know . So after that whole fiasco in the situation room that we found out about that was last July , which then led up a week later to her being proffered by Toblanch to then a week after that exactly being moved up to a minimum security prison in Texas . Then this week we heard that Todd Blanche now seek very quietly under the radar he now has the power to move people up and down in the prison system based on favor . So if you, you know, treat him well and you are a benefactor to him . I would have known it before. I would have never fired him as my lawyer . So now you have the Golden Maxflow situation. And I have said from the very beginning that she holds the power in this case. She is the kingpin. I still believe that she controls Epstein's money, that's that lump sum of money that just sort of disappeared when he died that is likely offshore part of the Southern Trust could be with her husband. Not a lot of people know that she has a husband named Scott Holman . So she has options right now. She can completely clear Donald Trump and get a pardon, like walk away with a pardon and then he is Scot free. She is Scott free . Depends on how she feels about him. I don't know, you know, I know in her statements, she says he's a very nice man. I didn't know very much about him, you know, kind of . But she also has an option, and this is my opinion , that when the midterms happen, if it flips , if the power flips and the majority flips , she can turn state's witness against Donald Trump and probably get some sort of benefit from that with her sentence, whether that is being let out, you know, what I mean? Like a neither are good. Neither are good. She should never be let out . Interesting. Wow, right now, where she is right now at Brian Texas prison camp , the standard prisoner there has a sentence of five years and there are no sexual offenders in that camp. She has a sentence of twenty years and she obviously has a sex trafficking charge against her . So she's not supposed to be there. I mean, that's very, very clear. She's given a lot of benefits. It's very , you know, the other prisoners say they their families can't come visit because she has her people coming to visit and everything's kind of cleared cleared away for her . So she clearly has a lot going in her direction, but it is up to her what happens next, which is frustrating because she is a child abuser and she shouldn't be going anywhere. And I think that again, that's probably the main infighting in the Republican Party is Glaine Maxwell because, you know, you have a good chunk of Republicans who are like, She should never see the light of day ever, ever again . And then you see them kind of pulling away and leaving Maga over it. And then you have other people who are so on the side of Donald Trump that they're willing to give her a pardon to let him be free as well I have a couple of things I wanted to just add to some of the things you were saying there . First of all, as far as Maxwell goes , so pref erencing to there's a book that came out with Naggie Aberman and Jonathan Swann . And I want to make it right away. I'm not a hater and neither one. You know, I actually know Jonathan Swann's wife, B etsy very well. She's used to be a reporter. She reported on me, have no issue with them. But with that said, I have an issue with the way they wrote the book. Not about the book. There could be I don't care about stuff about Donald Trump putting up, you know, with crazy glue googl magnets, you know, that's not breaking news. That's not so that's something that I expect to be in the book . I mean the fact that they, you know , just like you did at the timeline right now , they reported that a week before Blanchmat with what's her name Max ille Maxwell. Blane Maxwell, they had this whole meeting in the situation room. The sad part is I reported that same meeting. I remember writing that story me and Wash actually I wanted to watch the show to break the story. We did this whole thing about how you, know, Vance is trying to put together they're having it and it broke and then find that video Yeah, we have Nick asking I have Nick's Find that . And we were talking about them. We were saying that and they knew the information . Think about how things could have been different if they would have broke that news and reported because that's extremely huge news to use the situation room to be able to do the biggest coverup because the president doesn't want to use the FBI, the DOJ. You had the heads of the FBI DOJ , and the CIA, I mean, every top intelligence community sitting there figuring out how to cover up the biggest coverup already in the history of not only the United States that was blowing up to be in the world just because the president didn't want it out there . And that and the fact that they did that, it was horrible and you know, and survival not a time to sit on information. Like we're not living in a time to sit on information if it's helpful no, like no is that important . Exactly. And that's why I want to lead into, you know, what we're going to talk about right now about people trying some people making money off the Epstein files, you know, and this is simply what happened, unfortunately, folks. You know you could massage it, you could say whatever you want to do it, but I spoke to a lot of the Epsen survivors and they were extremely upset. They put a letter out. A Lisa Phillips came under an interview and they basically said it, I mean there's no reason if you have that type anybody out there that has information to be able to use it one way or the other. And that's where we're going to get into somebody trying to use that information that gets Ellie and used because of these information to do. But right before we do that, Ellie, we do that tradition. I do want to make a comment and do a shout out to Lisa Phillips because Lisa's working on an incredible and I'm going to help her. And you're going to help. We're all gonna help because she had a great idea. It's her idea. So she's lobbying parliament in the UK to open up criminal charges against Maxwell . So this way in Goff for it, Trump pardons her somehow or if she gets off somewhere here in the United States that this way she will be right away remanded or you know that she won't be able to just go and live a free life that she'll be a convicted felon in the UK . So one of the things is we're going to help her and whatever she needs to be able really good idea . So that's one of the things we're working on right now is to hold Maxwell accountable in the UK and some of these people and others. And we got other things we're working on. We're not going to I just wanted to throw that out there. But with that said, I want to definitely switch over to what's happening. What has been happening for a while now on all over these platforms. We've been having a lot of attacks happening. So first of all, attacks on people not agreeing or disagreeing with what somebody said , did agreeing with somebody they liked , attacks bots. We've had , you know, we definitely I report that we operatives that are coming in here trying to divide the community, trying to do it. But we also have people that are just trying to monetize the situation. We also have crazy nuts out there. You have all kinds of people out there that are trying to somehow be a part of the Epstein Files . For somebody like Ellie myself, the Epsom files are very personal. This is something we've devoted a big chunk of our life too, and it's personal for a lot of different reasons a lot of different things. And this is what we eat, breed, talk about, discuss every day, we deal with the survivors, try to help. So when somebody comes attacks us, especially Ellie on something like this, when it comes to do with the reporting on the Epstein files, it's personal. It's more than just some sort of disagreement or attack. And for everybody out there, anybody out there that even listens or doubts or things or talk to people like that don't belong on our platform here. It's just neither or Ellen or any of us need you. You have plenty of places to be, enjoy your life, have a good one but you're not part of the majority of the world because the majority of the world wants accountability, the majority of the world wants justice and that's what Ellie tries to do every day. She doesn't have to do it. She sits here, she has three kids home and the sick part is to that person, who knows that person who helps you that you're watching right now, personally for me to you, the fact that you wrote about Ellie's daughter and the epilepsy, if me and you ever come face to face, you better hope I'm off probation by then because I'm unlock you like those. So that's just personal. You know we 're it's just, you know, you don't get pinnacles, you know . So but going into why don't you give us a breakdown a little bit what would you be going for? And then we'll talk about how we could figure this out . Right. And I'll start with the caveat. You know, there has been a lot of drama and stuff on Facebook and some or Facebook or that come and blast from the past . I would just recommend to people , you know, because a lot of times someone will hop in your DMs and say, this person said this about your terrible thing or whatever , go to that person and talk to them first privately before you write an article about how terrible they are. I think I've seen a lot of that where people are just trying to out people as they did this to me or this person like if somebody says something that you disagree with or you feel bad about , go to them personally and work through it 'cause ninety nine percent of the time, you probably will . And then it doesn't become a big public ordeal or a mess or something divisive . I think the more we can remember deal with things on a personal level and a private level before we take it to a public forum , I think the better off will be. In this case, I don't really honestly know how this started. I have been racking my brain going like I don't know what set this off. I don't know if I had done something. I don't think I don't think it was anything personal. I think I don't think it's go ahead. Yeah, I just well and, I had again, so we had been dealing with some epilepsy stuff. We had just come home. My daughter had a seizure, and that was kind of, you know, you just in those moments, it's not a good time to go after somebody. And it was on my radar that this man and I am not going to name him because I don't want to give him any more publicity than he already has. I'm not going to give it to him , but he just came after me. And I and I, you know, like the one or two times that I responded to him, I said, just basically get a life. Like go do something important with your life that isn't this, right? I'm not gonna deal with this right now. I said, go get a gym membership, go do the fiber arts, go do something with your life. I'm not going to do this right now. This is not for me . And it became all of a sudden and it got really threatening. And I reported it to Substack and Substack to their credit looked at it and said you're right, this is a threat and they took them down. And when they take someone down without giving them time to pull their articles off their substack and you can look in their bywas or whatever. It's because they consider them a safety threat to people on substack. So someone is pulled off with no time to remove their articles. It's because Substack took the threat seriously, considered a safety issue for other substackers and removed them, and that's what happened . That just launched a campaign against me on threads that has been day and night . I've been doing the non engage like I, don't engage with this person, I don't write about them. You know what I mean? I'll say things, but I will never mention their name . And it has become , you know, a campaign of misinformation, obviously. And a lot of it's really simple misinformation where it's just like, well, I could, you know, I can prove that that's wrong, but I'm also not going to engage. And that's that is really tough. I would say , you know, because you get trolls, trolls exist, but when somebody really campaigns against you to discredit you and monetize off discrediting you , you know, there is like a roller coaster of emotions that go with that. And I was really surprised at how I kind of responded emotionally to the whole thing. I was really depressed over it. I felt I felt very bad . You know, I was talking to my husband about it, but I wasn't really talking to any of you guys about it because I just thought like, I'm new here . guys You must deal with this all the time. I'm probably making a big deal out of nothing . And then it just started to feel really scary. And he started to say things that indicated he knew where I lived And at that point, I reached out to one of one of us and I just said, What do I do? Like what rights do I have? And this person said, You go to the FBI tonight and you report this tonight . And I said, Okay . And then I started talking to people that I knew who had done this for a long time and they were so validating and they were like very clearly, you know, because I started to worry about like, you know, who's going to believe me over this person who's saying things about me that just don't exist? You know, what do I have the credibility to be believed? And again, it's like a microcosm of the story we're living in right now. Like who's gonna believe me if I speak up . I went to the police. The police didn't really take it very seriously because it's a, you know, it's like a cyber crime . And so I ended up reporting it to the cyber crimes, but it is it is, built built and and built and built and this man who does this, he has a history of doing this . He has gone after other survivors and I had one in particular come to me and be like, you know, get as far away from this man as you can. He's not safe . And then he launched, I guess a couple days ago, he launched like a full website about me. Like just the full like, he, has turned me into a full time job, and he launched this thing that was just, you know, so long and just filled with screenshots of things that I'd never seen before and making claims about like phone calls that I've made and record ings that he has . And I just was like, it was just so messy and chaotic that I just was like, I'm not, I'm not going to read this. Like I don't I'm not gonna invest my time and energy into reading this, but it has just become so chaotic and so upsetting and and again, it's just like me continually ask myself like why me? Like what did I what did I win that I'm this target for this person? Like, you know and, his whole his whole thing is he wants to be a journalist who's taken very seriously, but he's not writing about stories. He's writing about other journalists who are doing the same thing as him. And I just don't I don't understand where that vibe happens and why you would go after the people beside you instead of like the story in front of you . And so I've continued to not say his name anywhere on a public platform. I don't want to give him that , but I have continued to report him and they have something called an IC three through the FBI, which are cybercrimes where you can go through and you can list off, you know, the websites that have your name and they're discrediting and everything like that . But it just at this point it's still day and night. I mean, you can go, most people probably know who he is by now. You can go to his threads and he is still writing about real name. Threads. If you could do, Elliot, if you could send me link or the where we could go to and our community could everybody go out there and file also a report with the cyber crimes division saying look, this is what's going on. This is our platform. This is happen ing. And so they take us seriously. So they look at this because this is not a joke . It's one thing when somebody goes out there and makes, you know, comments anyway, but he this is a person making websites. This is a person that's starting to build a following on hatred against the reporting Ellie's doing. And also Ellie earlier today, when Minia spoke about this, I made some phone calls. Also, there you go. Ellie just put that in the link right there. Cyber crimes reporting Yeah. Copy that right now start spreading it. Keep putting in the link so as people come in there seeing it and also we're going to add when we put this out later, we'll put it below . I And'm going to for our Wolf Pack, everybody in the wolf pack, you will get a letter with this later today. Jenny J is going to put it out and we are going to also have a campaign of making phone calls and emails sent to all the authorities and also what's it called Meta that host the pages and all of these social media is not the only one. There are others out there that we need to start this is serious because there's also I'm not gonna name his name. There's another guy similar to him who I'm trying to think that maybe they could be linked together You're gonna know who this guy is. I just didn't tell you that he follows the survivors everywhere. He actually showed. Oh, I think I know who he is. Yep. Yeah, he's not and me and them almost got to a fistfight in DC last time we could and he oh even attacked at subsequent Julie Kay exactly. I mean he's a perfect example of people like that that are literally going attacking you trying to rage or whatever you want to call off of it, but I think it's I think it's more because I think it's an operation . I think it's an operation that some of these rich people are hiring some of these offers. That's what I want to start looking into Ellie because I think it's not just, you know, because this is persistent because it takes money to do this also to build a website, to go after you. He's not making any money. See, it's one thing like if you know you go after people and you you see make a lot of money off social media, these people are not making money, but they're causing enough disruption. I'm watching it's not the money that they're making, but it's enough disruption because if they could just put a little doubt into what you said and they and then to use the survival. These it's too professional in that money and to do this is not just somebody that didn't agree with what you said and I and he's going after, I mean, I'm his prime target , but he like even, I think yesterday, he was trying to link you. He's trying to link Zeb. He's trying to link Waj. He's trying to link a whole bunch of people Tara Palm Mary into it . He's trying to link the Blue Hamp Media Life, I'm a contributing editor for Blue Atti is trying to reach out and get everybody to respond . But it was really interesting in this process and what kind of got me to speak up more about it is there's a woman named Marilyn Thompson and she worked for the posting courier in Hilton Head Island or in Charleston in South Carolina . And she and Mitchell Black wrote all the pieces on the Hilton Head Surviv or. And so I was also writing about that at the time, and we had spoken a little bit at the time, but it was just me and just them writing about it. We were the only ones kind of digging into this day and night . And they did a fantastic job, and they were very kind to like include things that I had found in their article. And it was it was just a really nice deal for me. I'd never been included in anything public before. After that she she so's like a Pulitzer prize winning writer, which she doesn't want me to say, but I'm going to say it . And you know, after that, now they've both left the post in courier and that is what it is . But she came to me and she called me out of the blue. She said, Can I call you? And I was like, Okay, Marilyn Thompson, you can call me. It's amazing. I was like, yes . She called me up and she said, I just feel like you're getting harassed right now. Are you getting harassed right now? And I said, Yeah, I am getting harassed right now. And she's like, I just had a feeling . And she's like, I'm getting harassed too. I've been I've had a lot of up tick in, you know, the pushback that I'm receiving. And she just we had a really nice conversation and it was very much off the record, but it was just kind of the idea that that this is building like that, you know, we've lived in this bubble for a while as independent journalists where we're kind of protected by Donald Trump's rage towards legacy media because he's like going after CNN and so he's not going after us , but that is sort of a limited amount of time before he figures out that this is where the news is coming from and it's not coming from them anymore . And just that that threat and that pushback and that you know where you feel like this feels more coordinated than it does random , that is going to amplify over time as we start to like what Katie's doing, like literally pushing up against the DJ and theO Trump ad ministration then puts a spotlight on, you know, she's now an independent journalist and we don't have the things that people have when they work for newspapers or television stations like we don't have legal departments and we don't have that protect us. And so what do we do when they come after us? And somebody mentioned today that there should be an independent journalist union. And I was like, that's kind of a cool idea . But like just this idea that there needs to be a system in place if this is where the news is coming from that we can go to so that when this happens to me, I don't feel like I can't talk to anyone about it, that there's a clear message that this happens. If it happens to you, this is the person you call , these are your legal options, these are your criminal options , so that it's not such a mystery because again, for me, I was going like , I'm probably going overboard with this, right? Like these people have been in journalism for thirty years. They get this all the time. The way I'm feeling is probably just because I'm naive and this is my first time experiencing it. But then it did. It got to the point where he was talking about my child and the things that he was posting. And I was like, I cannot have that. Like that cannot happen. And I'm like talking to my kids about protections and I knew that it was past the point of like trolling and you know, Twitter, it was past all that and it was very, very, very personal. And so, you know, I've reached out to people that I know who have done this a long time and they were all like, oh yeah you have options and it was really really helpful and I had a lot of validation and I felt better about it . But it is it is something that is on the rise . It is something because , you know, again, we're the ones digging through the files. The newspapers are not doing that. They're not exposing things. It's us that's exposing things right now. And so we are the greater threat for someone like Donald Trump or Todd Blan che. Like the reason Katie Fang has her lawsuit is because people are digging through and finding the things that violate that act. Like newspapers aren't doing that . That's one hundred percent. And the fact that like I said , it's not that, you know, some people are saying, you know, don't give it attention. I was the first person to say to Ellie, don't give it pay no mind because I get death threats every day and call, but this is different. And this is why I want focus on state because it's different when somebody doesn't like something, he sends you email, you know, and but we're living in a different world right now. We're living in a world where there's people out there that whatever word you want to call it passionate, crazy, obsessed, whatever you want to whatever adjective you want to give to it, but it's dangerous. I mean, people try to shoot presidents, people are getting assassinated at , you know, town halls . They're, you know, people shooting up schools. I mean, we're living in a time where politics and where some of these things, especially what Emily and I, what we report on, what we talk about other independent journalists is extremely dangerous. Extremely and that's what we talk about. You know, and yes, legacy media is different. They are covered by that shield of when, you know, CNN people, don't look at that reporter. They look at CNN. They don't have usually have , you know , a problem with the reporter. They usually have a problem with the organization. You know, and then the reporter also has somebody backing them, lawyers, this, that, the other thing. Independent journalists have nobody, you know, they're out here not . That's why when you see somebody like that go after Ellie, you have to wonder because he's not making money off of this . There really is no benefit. This is either there's a sick obsession where it's no good or it's an ow, that's one or the other. You can't I mean maybe there's another you can't I mean it's funny because I was talking to my best friend yesterday and she's like, Yeah, I told you to ignore it and it would go away too. And she's like, Why was I wrong? But it's because you can block someone everywhere and all they have to do is log off and then they can see everything that you write. And so like everything that I've posted has been screenshot and added to his post. You know, I obviously have all his email addresses blocked. He has a million he has a long list of email addresses, a long list of like copycats on every social media platform two different two or three different months . And still I'll have other people reach out to me and be like, Hey, I just need to send you something. Is that okay? And I was like, oh yeah sure. And if somebody who works for him sending like a twenty nine page PDF of him sending, you know, this manifesto to me, right? Like it still gets through because he has other people who are on the platforms who watch the things that I do or send stuff to him. And so it's like it's very hard to just do nothing, say nothing because everything I do becomes the next thing that he says or promotes or , you know , makes fun, you know, like he one thing was, she's living up to her name. I'm really, you know, she's the panicked writer. She's panicking, you know, because he was terrifying . Well, well, that's interesting. It is and that's what people say, please don't don't assume that this is just somebody not to give error. This could be an object the way he's I mean, people don't go websites about somebody just because they want to prove a point. I mean, this is a this person's spending all his time and energy into basically trying to discredit information about what Ellie's writing about the Epstein files. Just think about that. That is either like I said, either he might not be well or might not have some kind of personal you know got somewhere you know ticked off then you know something happened in his life which is no good or this is an opt. Just think about all the other players like we've been reporting on here that are out there talking, trying to cause distraction. This didn't just come out yesterday. One of the things we should do, Ellie, also is we should put together a letter and post and have all of us sign it since he's bringing all of our names into it. I should you should put a list of names there, me Washer, we should sign it denouncing this person . You know, and we should post it everywhere saying this is a bird. We should like put a statement saying this is the person that's trying to whatever. We'll put together some kind of thing. And also we're going to speak to the wolf pack to generate and put out some meal. But we're going to put a stop to this guy one way or another because it's not healthy guys. You know, Ellie should be busy right now being a mom to her kids and somebody out there that's getting information to this community. You know, and a lot of people say, Oh, Ellie, don't worry, it's easier said than done. Yes. I'm just telling you, it's easier said than done because when you're the one that knows that you open up your phone and you're looking at these disgusting text messages and then you know it's easier said than done. And I'm a man and I go through it and I go through it in New York May . Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. You know, I agree with you one hundred percent. It's not a joke. yeah, I was just gonna say like you were asking if they can do a go fund me. I don't think I need a go fund me at this point. I have had multiple lawyers step forward and offer to like help . Yeah. So I think that's we're good there. I would just say the biggest help and this is, you know, for me or for anyone is if you see kind of a threat on any social media platform and a significant these are threats and I will say they I mean this is probably the standard. They are more towards women than towards men, but this guy is he goes after everybody. Report them. Like it takes two seconds to report a threat. And if somebody has enough threats reported, then a place like threads will pay attention. I had, you know, when I wrote my piece about this , I asked other people, you know, to show me what threats they'd received and they were terrifying. I mean the death threats that some of these women journalists are like I was just like, oh okay,, mine is not yet discussing and they've been reported and threads doesn't do anything. So to substack credit, they followed through and they did something about it . But I would just say when you see things like that , report it for people because that can be really terrifying for anybody one hundred percent folks. And we're going to put and when we put out this for those of you that are joining late when we put this out in the next half hour or so we'll put all the information down there also we'll put the link to where you could put a note to the cyber task FBI cyber task division. Also me and Ell offieline we',re going to put together, we're gonna figure out put together a layer, not just for this individual, but he's not the only one. That's why we want to make sure there are others on other platforms that are going. There's one person individual that follows the survivors where they go. He shows up and where they are giving speaking. I mean, literally I don't know I'm out with some of the survivors and they're like, oh my God, love, when we were just in like somewhere like Kansas and all of a sudden he showed up there is that he showed up. Yeah, he posts on his Twitter like, Oh, I'm having pizza at Kansas. Like, what are you doing in Kansas? At the same day where the survivors , it's a little it's scary folks. It's starting to look like a sort of bullying, intimidation on the way of some of what they're doing. So this might not just be some creepy stalkers it could be, but it also could be a very powerful , you know, up psych that's being put together before at all because look who they're going. They're targeting people that are starting to uncover things. They went after me, they go after Ellie. They're going after Zev. They're going after they're not going after Akasta . They're not going after I'm saying with you and I'm not seeing they don't put up on the shit. They don't. Well, and also because they report what you're recovering See, that's what I'm saying to you. They're going after the sources of where this information they're trying to shut up the where the source are exactly because it's not that Ellie's getting too close, Laura, because Ellie's uncovering all their stuff because Ellie is digging through it because they never expected to have people like Ellie out there that's going to give up their life, their time and sit there nonstop the tediousness of reading , connecting it. It's like folks, trust me while I tell you it's the amount of voluminous amount of information. The reason why most of these federal agencies, they would have a hundred or a thousand people working on this case and breaking up with Ellie and does it probably by herself with some supporters and stuff like that. And they are afraid. That's why they want to go after it. So this either way, it's no good. Let's put that. We don in't care if it's or if it's some psycho or if it's some just person that's trying to do it. Either way it's not good. Ellie's part of our family. We're all here to defend each other. We're all here to protect. We cannot have Ellie worried about this. She needs to be concentrated on working. So folks, the best way to help, we don't need no money. This is we lcome support here. What we need is your voices. We need your voices to be loud and strong. We're going to put together a couple of different ways where we could make a difference. I'm going to also speak to some of the federal authorities and figure out who we could contact or maybe there's somebody where we could do it or but we need to make sure we start here because this is only going to work. There's going to be others coming up. I told you this is just the beginning. We need to put a stop, nip it in the bug before it spreads. So we'll figure out in the meantime, the one thing we ask of you is make your voices loud. Wherever you see this individuals , first of all, make your write your notes to the meta or threads. That's where it happens to be and also , you know, share, stack and pass the message off so people know . And you know, for me, like a lot of people are like, who is this person? I have no problem saying who the person is. I'm just not going to say it on a video because I don't I don't want to give them any more attention, but if you ask me, I will tell you who they are. And you know, don't offer to like beat them up. Like, we got to still be the bigger person . But I mean again, if you see people being threatened, if you see people being discredited , anything like that. Like yeah, it feels good to have somebody stand up for you and not be alone in all of this. So yeah, that's that's been the greatest experience right now. You got your community got you . This family got you . Take a deep breath . We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna, you know, I even apologize also. I was one of those people that first told you that just don't give them that Everybody did. Everybody because, you know, but, you know after , you know, the crusade he's gone on and to the fact he's gone now, it's now it's time that we need to act and we need to act swiftly, quickly, properly and make sure that not only do we act with this individual, but we use this as a lesson and to go forward for each other to make sure that love conquers hates folks. We say that for a reason because it's true. If you if the first thing you see, when you read a message, if the first thing you get hate , that motion will turn into hate and it will turn you to if the first thing you take a look and say, oh, you know, maybe that person meant it this way or maybe he was having a bad day or maybe he didn't mean that that's Bobby pushing my two he's one hundred pounds each. Every time he moves my whole office moves I'm sorry. But yeah, so you know, try try to I was going to say that's super important. Like in so many of these like misunderstandings or, you know, things that feel like subsecut is blowing up a little bit lately. I know people have mention ed that a lot . A lot of them are things that can be taken one on one off to the side. Like if there's somebody that you feel like is even if they're being rude to you or you feel like they said something like it's not true, like reach out to them first and just feel like , you know, did you mean this? I had somebody say that to me. I saw some text messages about me that said I had done some horrible things and I was just, you know, it shocked me if he 'll go away. But I reached out to them and we talked about it and it was a misunderstanding and it was something that just went right. It was just gone. And then so I just recommend if we can do that first before we go write an article about how much we hate somebody. I think that would probably fix most of these problems Sometimes people just substitute people love to write . Yeah, that's true, that's true. But folks, we want to thank you so much for joining us. I know it's the middle of the day for all of you out there. We love you. God bless you. Thank you . If you can, if you haven't yet, I'm sure all of you are because we have a tremendous family. But if you're new to the platform and you have not subscribed yet, hit that button up there and cross pollinate, make sure you're a subscriber to Ellie. Subscribe to me. Me and Ellie are here to be able to bring you guys information from different points. There's independent journalists, there's independent investigator, journalists, there's insiders. There's a whole bunch of different people give you a different perspective . And it's good to get different perspectives and not try to keep yourself in any echo chamber because none of whenever you're in any echo chamber, it always starts out good, but it always ends off bad. Trust me. But they tell you, it doesn't have to deal with things by yourself. Exactly. You don't need to. Exactly. Exactly. So just spread the love and support each other. And guys, like I said, if you can subscribe, if you can become subscribed paid subscribers, it 's what makes us able to do it because like I said , we all have kids, we all have families. We have chosen this as our main business to be able to go out there to risk our like our lives, our information, you know, sometimes our mental health to be able to be involved and bring you all this information and your support allows us to do it. So guys, thank you so much. Have an incredible day. And again, make sure that when you get this, don't just let it pass by. This is an important one. Make sure you spread it everywhere and make sure you make your voices heard because we need to stop the bullying, the bullying, the harassment, especially like Ellie said , Allie No I'm saying guys, you know , I'm here . I'm here anytime, but anyway, we'll leave on that . Ali, have a great day. I'll talk to you. Later