Closing Thoughts and Future Research

Hello, hello, hello . Happy Wednesday night. My days are all mixed up because I work from home and now my kids are home with me every day . All day long . We're adjusting Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone is having a lovely now summer vacation . I did an interview with Amy Hogart today and they're all just dying in Europe of heat , but also I don't think I don't think AC's are as prevalent over there as they are in the U. S. We love to just sort of eat up energy, but the IC is really nice too. So I felt bad because she was just dying . Today , we are going to try to be productive in the future of the Obscene Files and what happens next . I picked today's deposition very intentionally because some of the options coming down the pike , one of the biggest options coming down the pike is that Gallaine Maxwell could receive a full pardon from Donald Trump. Now that could be for two reasons . A it could go two ways. Let me put it that way . A , he gives her a full pardon as a thank you because she's going to say that he's completely unavolved and clear his name and then that would that would grant her a full pardon or B , we will have the midterms and during the midterms there's the potential to completely flip the house and Senate to where Glene Maxwell could turn state's witness against Donald Trump and get the full backing of the United States Congress to then give her protections if she's willing to come out against him. So she holds the keys . I don't want her to have anything good . I absolutely believe everything I've read and the people who have told me that she is an abuser and a violent abuser and a manipulative abuser and a pedophile . And I don't want her to have anything good. I don't want her to be moved up . I don't want her to have puppies and yoga and, you know, food delivered to her herself. I don't want that for her. Something that I wanted to pull up today , I'm going to click over just because I find it relevant is that is not it hold on . That is our why are we doing that now? Hold on. There we go. Okay , remove, add to stage. There we go. Okay, so this is Liz Oyer . Liz Oyer is on Substack. She is an attorney. She's a justice advocate. She used to be a part attorney for the DOJ . She stopped doing that in March of twenty twenty five . She's really, really good. She is a great investigator and she has found out some pretty big things so everybody, you know, go subscribe to her substack, but also today she posted this. She says, I uncovered a bombshell that hasn't been reported anywhere else . It is a new rule the DOJ quietly adopted, which gives the Attorney General tremendous new power to punish political enemies and reward friends and donors. Please watch and share. Okay . What does that mean ? That means if you're peeling up paint or walking by the reflecting pool and appear to have peeled up paint , they can give you the full force of the law, make new rules about how long and how harshly you can be punished . But if you are somebody who is in jail like a Galane Maxwell and you do what they ask , you can be like bounce around, right? And that is what we have seen. That is the result of , you know now, this infamous meeting that took place in the situation room where they decided, you know, what to do with Glaine Maxwell, what kind of interview to give her, eventually got she got the profer. We will probably read the prof er at some point on here because I think although there is an actual recording of it , it is something that we need to hear out loud. So I would like to put a stop to all of this . I would like to make it so Tod Blanche can't do any of this. Again, he has violated the Transparency Act left right and center . He moved Glenn Maxwell up to from a low security prison. So I just want to clarify, she wasn't at a maximum security prison before. She was a low security prison in Florida . She was moved to a minimum security prison camp in Texas . The minimum security prison camp has prisoners who have a sentence of five years or less and there are no sex offenders. There are no sex crimes . So she has a twenty years sentence and obviously for sex crimes. So she's not supposed to be there. That is very clear. So today in order to sort of pursue this idea making it more known to the world what Golane Maxwell did, what she was punished for and also the voices of her survivors . We are going to read Virginia Geoffrey's deposition from the civil lawsuit that she brought against Glenn Maxwell in twenty fifteen. Now this was a civil defamation like libel suit. This was not a criminal court case because this was prior to Glain Maxwell going to prison going to court . This was because Virginia DeF rey alleged that after making the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein , Golane Maxwell had defamed her, had said she's a liar, had made all these public statements to discredit Virginia Geo'ffsrey statements . And so Virginia Geoffrey sued her . She asked for compensatory damages, punitive damages , a declaration that Maxwell's statements were defamatory , and she wanted to cover her attorney's fees. Now eventually , Maxwell gave a lengthy deposition. I don't think that's in here. This is very long, so maybe it is in here, but it's mostly Virginia Georeffy And in the end, in twenty seventeen, because this happened in twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen, they settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. So that is where we're gonna start today. I'm going to see if we can see this because the way this is a little funky, but the way it's set up is I don't know if you can see this. There are four pages per page. If that's too tiny, I'll just pull it down and we'll just do this, but we're going to try. So I'm going to add this to the stage . I'm going to put it down here. There we go. Okay, also before we begin up in the corner, you will see a little QR code . is That for the SOR website. That is Virginia Geferre's website . I'm trying to hold that let me get this right here . I want to make sure we say this properly It is for speak out, act , and reclaim. That's what it stands for. And it provides a safe and empowering space for survivors of sexual trafficking . Now as of yet, as far as I know, there's no donation link set up on this website . I'm hoping that we can make that an option soon or work with them to have some kind of an option for donations to just help victims of sex abuse in the name of Virginia Gufre . But for now , this website provides resources for people who have been harm ed by sexual assault , counseling , opportunities, phone calls, places you can go to get the extra help or just to educate yourself more about this epidemic that we are fighting against in the past. We're trying to right the wrongs of the past but also stop it from happening again. So that is the QR code for today . Next time I will probably have a different one . is There a long list of foundations that need our help . But again, in your community, there are local charitable foundations. I don't know how else to say it where you can donate your money to provide help for sex abuse victims. So I if you got an extra couple of bucks, go see what's in your community, see how you can help, and we can go from there. Okay , so this is just one exhibit from this defamation lawsu it . We're going to hop to the beginning . I don't know if that is too tiny for you to see. It's too tiny for me to see. So I'm going to be reading off these paper . And we're just going to start at the beginning of Virginia's deposition . She is being interviewed by Laura Manager on behalf of defendant Glene Max well. So there's two lawyers, Laura Manager and Jeffrey Pagliuka, Pagliucia, Pagliuka , who are on behalf of Golane Maxwell. So they are going to start interviewing her. So this is Ms. M anager . She says, Good morning, Ms. Geoffrey . Good morning, Laura. Can you please state your full name ? Virginia Lee Geoffrey . Where do you live right now, Ms. Geoffrey ? Redact . Alright, and who lives with you there ? My son , my other son, my daughter, my husband, and my in laws. And when did you return to the US for this visit ? I believe it was around Thursday, the twenty ninth, I think . Okay , and who traveled with you , myself ? This is twenty sixteen, bear in mind . Yourself? Yes . Are you able to travel freely between the US and Australia? Yes . Are you married? Yes. To whom ? Robert Gufrey . All right. And did mister Gufrey travel with you back to the US ? No , alright . Have you taken any medications ? Excuse me, any medications in the last twenty four hours I have taken I have a cold, but I have taken non drowsy cold tablets and some DAQ . All right, anything else ? No . All right. And what is your current profession, Mrs. Geoffrey ? I'm a housewife . All right, and how long have you been a housewife for the last ten years since I've had kids? Alright, and what was your profession in twenty fourteen ? A housewife ? All right. Any other profession ? No . All right , you understand that you're under oath today . Yes . And you understand that if you don't understand a question, you need to let me know that . Okay , and ask for clarification . Do you understand? Yes . You also understand, I'm assuming that you have to say yes or no in answer to a question or you have to make a verbal response and not just shake your head or something Yes . So the court reporter can get it. You've been deposed before, correct? Yes . Do you understand what it means to be under oath ? Yes . What does that mean to you ? To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? All right, and what is the word truth mean to you ? To be honest , is there more than one truth ? Is there more than no, there's no more than one truth ? If you are confused by a question, you need to let me know that so I can clarify the question, okay ? Okay . For example, if I asked you the question, were you sexually trafficked to foreign presidents, do you understand what that question means yes , what does it mean ? Was I lent out for the purposes of sex to a foreign person president ? Alright, and what is the answer to that question ? Yes . And if I ask you, have you met any foreign presidents, do you understand what that question means? Yes . And what is the answer to that question ? Yes . All right. And if I asked you which former president have you met, do you understand what that question means? Yes . All right . What is the answer to that question ? What is the name of the person? Yes. Who are the foreign presidents that you have met? I honestly can't remember his name at this time. I'm a very visual person, so alright. Can you describe him then? Yes, he's Spanish. Okay tall, dark hair. Alright, anything else? And he's got a foreign tongue, accent . And what age approximately was I or was he? Was he ? I'd say in his forties . Okay . And where did you meet him? I believe it was New Mexico. New Mexico Possibly New Mexico. I'm sorry, it's really hard to go back and remember lots of different events and lots of different people . Okay , and is that the only foreign president that you have met ? I've met a lot of very high powerful people and I wasn't just introduced to them as who they were. It's only going back through photos in time to be able to realize who they are and what they are now. So it's hard for me to distinguish who I've actually met and when and where I've met them . So your knowledge, to your knowledge, you have only met one foreign president ? To my knowledge at the time, yes . And is there anything that might change your knowledge at a different time If I were to see more photos of other people , I mean I've been able to distinguish the majority of the people I've been lent out to, but who's to say there's not more . All right . If I were to ask you questions , how many times if I were to ask you the question, how many times have you had sex with Tom Pritzker ? Do you know what that question means? I believe so. All right, and what is the answer to that question ? I believe I was with Tom once . Okay . I would like to ask you about your prior sworn statement. You understand you're under oath today, correct ? Yes . All right . You've previously made statements under oath, correct? Yes . And you've previously authorized pleadings to file on your behalf, correct? Yes , by various attorneys, right ? Yes . All right . You have included in your sworn statement allegations about my client Glaine Maxwell. Correct ? Yes . And did you review any of those prior sworn statements before appearing here today ? Yes . And which ones did you review ? I'd have to see which ones you're specifically talking about , there's quite a lot of statements I've made , right ? And which ones do you recall having reviewed before you attended this deposition today ? I've reviewed my affidavit. I'm not a lawyer, so I belie donve't I know legal terms to half of the, you know, legal jargon of statements, which they are. If you showed me, I'd be able to tell you if I've seen them or not . Okay . So to your knowledge, can you identify any sworn statements you've reviewed before attending the deposition today ? Could I name what the statement is right ? The actual piece of paper that has the title at the top ? Right? No, I don't . Can you describe it in any other fashion ? I don't understand. I'm sorry. That's all right . You have to tell me if you don't. Do you have any reason to believe that any of your previous sworn statements that you have made are not true . No , Brad Edwards, her lawyer steps in. I just object and ask that if we are going to ask the witness questions about any of her statements in whole or in part that the witness be allowed to see the statement, review the statements, and then answer your questions. Back to Miss Manager. You may answer the question . Can you reass the question? I'm sorry . Do you have any reason to believe that any of your prior sworn statements are untrue? I have no reason to believe that my prior statements are untrue. Has anyone told you to say anything or say something that was not true in connection with this case? No, ma'am . Alright, I'd like to start with a lawsuit that you filed under the caption Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein. Do you recall that lawsu it? I believe so . Ahead here . So they bring out exhibit one marked. I'm going to show you an exhibit that we are marking as defendants exhibit one . Brad Edwards on. Can I see that for a second? I'd just like to make an objection on the record for the misidentification of this document . While there was a lawsuit filed under the style of Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein, Jane Doe was not Virginia DeFrey, and the lawsuit that's now being handed to this witness is Jane Doe one hundred two versus Jeffrey Ep stein . Is that the document we're talking about? Miss Manager says, Counsel, if you have an objection, you should state the basis for your objection in a non leading, non suggesting manner. If you have any other record to make, you can do so in a pleading filed with the court . He says, Sure, my objective, my objection is you've misrepresented what you've handed the witness. I want to make sure that the witness is hold ing what you actually want her to be holding, as opposed to the lawsuit you said that you were going to hand her. That's it . Miss Manager says, Counsel, I will ask the witness questions about the document. I did not ask you any questions about the document . She turns to Virginia Gufre. Ms. Jufrey, could you please take a look at what we have marked as defendants exhibit one ? Do you recognize that document , Mr. Dufre I believe so. Yes, yes, I do. And do you see that the counsel on the last page, I'm sorry, not the last page, but the third from the last page are mister Josephsgbur and M iss Ezell from Podhurst Orsak . Yes . Were those your lawyers? Yes, they were. And did you authorize them to file Jane Doe one hundred and two vs. Epstein on your behalf? Yes , I did . And is that this complaint that's been marked as defendants exhibit one ? I believe so . In that document, if I could ask you to turn the page, well, I'll turn to page nine and paragraph twenty three . Would you like me to read it? No, I'm just did you find it? I can see paragraph twenty three . Okay . And do you see that there are allegations about a miss Maxwell contained in that complaint ? Yes, I do . All right and do you understand that to be Gallaine Maxwell? You do understand that to be Glaine Maxwell, my client ? Yes . All right, and Ms. Maxwell was not sued as a part of this case, correct? Brad Edwards. Objective form . And Virginia Geoffrey says, does that mean I can answer? He says, S,ure you can answer , and the other lawyer says, right . Mr. Edwards, if you understand the question, answer it. Virginia Geoffrey says, Yes, Miss Maxwell, sorry, repeat the question . Back to Ms. Minnett for questioning . Was Ms. Maxwell sued in this? No, she wasn't . In this case that's represented by defendants exhibit one ? No , she wasn't. I'm sorry for interrupting you, but no, she was not sued at that time , no . And why not? Brad Edwards says, I'd object and ask the witness not answer that question because that would be privileged attorney client privilege inform,ation that was between Ms. Jufrey and the Podhurst Ork firm at that time, so I'm instructing you not to answer. Ms. Manager says, All right , Miss Jufrey, did you make a decision yourself whether or not to sue Ms. Maxwell as part of this lawsuit against or Jane Doe one hundred and two versus Jeffrey Epstein . I think I'd been advised not to answer that question . This is a different question . Oh , okay. So your counsel can assert a privilege, but that question did not call for privileged information . Brad Edward says I and she cuts him off. I'm asking about what you decided to do , whether you decided to sue Ms. Maxwell or not at the time , Jane Doe , one hundred and two versus Evstein was filed. Grad Edward says, and I disagree and I object that this is invading the attorney client privilege and I'm instructing you not to answer . This manager says, can you answer that question without revealing any attorney client communications, whether you made a decision to file the lawsuit or not? I'm going to have to listen to my attorney and not answer that question All right . I would like to show you some documents that were filed in what we'll call sorry buddy buddy what we will call The CVRA case, the Crime Victims Rights Act case. Do you know what I mean by that reference? I'm familiar with that. Okay . I'm going to start with one on or about december thirtieth, twenty fourteen. We will mark it as defendants exhibit two . Brad Edward says, Thank you . Miss Manager, all right. Ms. Jufrey, you recognize defendants exhibit two ? Yes. And what do you understand it to be? I believe this is when I was hoping to join the CVRA case . Alright , and do you know when this document was filed ? And actually, just to be clear, about halfway there's actually a second document that was filed. So this is a composite exhibit. Let me be very clear. So after page fourteen, I'm sorry, thirteen , there's a second document that is styled Jane Do number three and Jane Do numbere four 's corrected motion pursuant to rule twenty one for joiner and action. Do you see that ? Did you say page fourteen ? It is on the fourteenth page of this document. Do you see that? I do. And so this composite exhibit two has both a motion and a corrected motion. Do you see that ? Yes . And were you were both of those pleadings authorized by you to be filed? Yes. In other words, you wanted to join the CBRA action in or about december thirtieth, twenty fourteen, correct? I'm not aware of those exact dates. There's no dates on this. But I did try to join the motion, yes . All right. And if you can look at the top line of the document , yes. Does it say entered on FLSD ? Oh, it does too. I'm sorry, yes. That's right. So does that refresh your memory as to about when you first sought to join the CVRA action? Yes. December thirtieth, twenty fourteen, correct? Yes . And the corrected motion was filed a few days later, correct ? Yes, correct. If I could turn to defendant's exhibit three, which was january twenty first . Brad Edward says thank you . Miss Manager, do you recognize this document? Yes I do . What do you understand this document to be? It's a rough background of the years that I was abused by Glorianne and Jeffrey . All right, and this is something I believe that you on page fifteen signed . Is that true ? Just let me have a look . Sure . I think I'm actually missing page fifteen. Oh, here we go . I'm sorry. I'm looking at the numbers on the top right. I apologize. I believe there was some cover page or something that was excluded . Brad Edward says and just for the record, I'm going to object to the relevance of this document. I'm going to allow the witness to answer the question, but I want my objection on the record this manerag says, Okay, simple objection relevance . Virginia says, Are we talking about this page? Yes, the one with the black box. Yes. Do you believe that to have contained your signature? Yes , alright , and you executed that on january nineteenth, twenty fifteen . At the very top of the page it says january twenty first, twenty fifteen . The date it was filed. Is there a date just above that signature block? Oh yes, sorry, yes, there is. And what date what date was that ? The nineteenth day of january twenty fifteen . Okay, and this document is something that you believe contains the truth, correct? The best of my knowledge at the time, yes . All right . Did something change between the time then and today that makes you believe it's not all accurate . Well , as you can see, in line four, on page one, I wasn't aware of my dates . I was just doing the best to guestimate when I actually met them . Since then I've been able to find out that through my Marlago records that it was actually the summer of two thousand, not the summer of nineteen ninety nine . Oh, I'm sorry, are you back on page one on the first page . Okay , yes. And you're talking about line four ? Line four. Paragraph four or line four. Oh, sorry, number four, the paragraph number four . Ms. Manager says, OK, what part of paragraph four do you now believe to be untrue? And she says, in approximately, Brad Edwards says objective form, but you can answer . In approximately nineteen ninety nine, when I was fifteen years old , I met Galaine Maxwell . She says, Okay , I know now that it was two thousand that I was sixteen years old when I met Glaine Maxwell. So when you sign thised document under penalty of perjury stating that it was true, you no longer believe that to be true, correct? It was an odd mistake. We had no idea how to pinpoint without any kind of records or dates or anything like that. I was just going back chronologically through time and that's the best that I thought it was. And now I know the facts. So it's good to know. Okay , so now you believe that a document you filed under oath is no longer true, correct? Brad Edward says objective form . I wouldn't say it wasn't true, I was just unaware of the times and dates. Again , is there more than one truth, Miss Roberts? No. No, there's no more than one truth . All right, so the document in which you swore that you were fifteen years old when you met Ms. Glaine Maxwell is an untrue statement. Correct ? Objective form or at Edwards. From now on, anytime I say objective form, that will be Brad Edwards . It's not that it's an untrue statement, it was a mistake . So it wasn't intentionally trying to say something that wasn't true. It was to the best of my knowledge that I thought it was nineteen ninety nine. And when I got my records from Marlago I was able to find that it was two thousand and this was entered before I found out the actual dates that I did work at Mar Lago . Okay , so a document that you filed under o is now you believe to be untrue. Correct ? Objection, asked and answered . You may answer , answer again, says Brad Edwards . Again , I wouldn't say it's untrue. Untrue would mean that I would have lied and I didn't lie. This was the best knowledge at the time, and I did my very best to try to pinpoint time periods going back such a long time ago . It wasn't until I found the facts that I worked at Marlago in two thousand that I was able to figure this that out . And approximately when did you learn those facts about the dates you worked at Marlago I would say it was mid twenty fifteen . Mid twenty fifteen is the first time you became aware of the dates. I don't know the exact if you could just let me finish . I'm sorry . That's all right . Approximately mid twenty fifteen when you learned the true dates that you had worked at Marlago . That's correct. Sorry . And based on the fact that you learned the fact that you had worked at Marlago in two thousand, you became aware in mid twenty fifteen that you had met Ms. Maxwell in two thousand , correct? That's objective form That's correct . All right, and you became aware in mid twenty fifteen that you were not fifteen years old when you met Glaine Maxwell. Correct . Objective form. That's correct. Okay, and who provided you those Marlago records in approximately mid twenty fifteen? Brad Edward said I'm going to object, and to the extent that this invades the attorney client privilege, if it was your attorneys that you spoke to and learned this information or received this information from , then you're instructed not to answer. I cannot answer that question . Miss Manager , did you yourself look at the records in the middle of twenty fifteen regardless of who showed them to you? Brad Edward says objection and to the extent that they were showed to you or shared by any of your lawyers, you're instructed not to answer the question. It invades the attorney client privilege . Miss Manager. Did you look at Marlago records in the middle of twenty fifteen or south ? Brad Edward said she's not answering the question. Ms M.anager said , what O gnround s is she not answering the question? Bri Edwards, I just told you it invades the attorney client privilege. If she learned , I will instruct her if she learned by some other way than her attorney sharing the information with her , then she can answer the question . Ms. Manager, I'm not I'm asking you not to tell me whether your attorneys showed you the record. I'm asking you not to tell me the source of the record. I'm asking you if you personally in the middle of twenty fifteen looked at the Mara Laga records. Brad Edwards same objection, same instruction Miss Manager, I'm going to show you an exhibit filed on I believe, on, or about february sixth of twenty fifteen , defendants exhibit four . Brad Edwards says, Thank you . And drawing your attention to the headline that says entered on the docket febr ofuary sixth, twenty fifteen. Do you see that? Yes . All right. And declaration of Jane Doe three. Do you see that on the first page ? Yes. And it's the CV in the CVRA case, correct? Jane Doee one and Jan Doe two versus the United States of America ? Yes . All right. And do you recognize this document? Yes . And what do you understand this document to be? I believe it's more reason to why I should have been added to this EVRA case. Brad Edward says object to relevance counsel Miss Manager, okay, and again, if you look at the last page of the document, paragraph sixty seven, the last page? Yes, the very last . sixty seven, yes. All right, it says in paragraph sixty seven, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct , right? Yes. And it was executed on or about the fifth day of february twenty fifteen. Correct . It's a bit smudged, but it kind of looks like a five . All right. And then there's a signature block that's redacted that says J ane Doe three. Correct . Correct . Do believe that you signed this document and it was later covered up by that block . Yes . All right. And again, is there anything in this document that you believe today to not be true? Brad Edwards says I just asked that you read through the entire document and answer the question . Miss Manager , have you seen this document before , Ms J.effrey? I'm sure I have, but it's always good to refresh your memory just looking over something . Alright , they pause for her to read. Thank you for giving me the time to read that over , certainly. So have you had a chance to read it now? Yes . All right . And what parts of this document sworn by you under penalty of perjury are not true ? Again, the only thing that I see is a mistake that I made . I first met Epstein when I was fifteen years old . Okay, and that's in paragraph five . That's in paragraph five on the first page. All right, and everything else you believe to be true . Yes Okay , if I could now turn to what all mark is defendants exhibit five , thank you. Mr. Edwards says thank you, Ms. Manager, I think I have one more. Ms. McAuley, it's okay if you don't, Miss Manager . I don't think I have all of them. All right, do you recognize defendants exhibit five ? Yes . What is the title of that document ? Declaration of Virginia Ge offrey And that's you correct? Yes And you recognize which case this declaration was filed in Yes Bradley Edwards and Paul Castle plaintiff vs. Allan Dershowitz defendant . All right, and who do you understand Mr. Edwards and Mr Castle to be? Mr. Edwards is my lawyer sitting next to me All right, and Mr. Castle is another one of my lawyers . All right, and they are in a lawsuit against Mr. Dershowitz. Is that your understanding? It's your understanding. You don't have to look at your lawyer if you don't understand. You don't have to No, I just don't know if I'm allowed. That's all right to say things about that, but yes, I believe they were in a lawsuit . Okay , and that's against Mr. Dershowitz, correct? Right? Correct . Object to form. I object to the relevance of the document, Brad wards. Alright, Ms. Jufrey again, if you could turn to the last page of this document and you see a signature on that page , I do. Whose signature is that? That is mine. And approximately when did you sign this document executed on the twentieth day of november twenty fifteen? All right, so you signed that on november twentieth, twenty fifteen. Correct ? Correct. All right. That was under penalty of perjury. Correct ? Correct . All right. If you can now turn to what we'll mark as defendants exhibit six . Brad Adwards says thank you, Ms. Mc Cauley's thinks, and Miss Manager says, Do you recognize this document, Mr Jufre ? I do. All right, what do you believe this document to be? I believe this is when I spoke to the FBI . Okay, and do you remember about when you spoke to the FBI? It says date of entry july fifth, twenty thirteen. Do you believe that you spoke to the FBI in twenty thirteen? I thought it was twenty eleven when I talked to them . Okay , I'm going to direct your attention to the bottom of the page . Yes . The first page, do you see that? Yes . The last few lines there have another date . Oh, yes, investigation of, yes. All right. So that makes sense. Okay . Okay, what do you understand that to be? And if it refreshes your recollection about when you spoke to the FBI , just let us know. Yeah, march seventeenth, twenty eleven sounds more right than twenty thirteen . Okay , and where did you speak to them ? I believe this was in the office of the consulate American consulate in Sydney. Sydney, Australia ? Sydney, Australia . Okay , and you were there in person with those FBI agents ? Correct . And were they taking notes when you spoke they spoke to you? Yes . Were they recording the interview to your knowledge? I believe they were. Okay , have you had a chance to review this report ? And I will make note for the record that there are obviously many plac es that are blacked out . Yeah or wheted out. Is that fair ? Yes . Alright, have you had a chance to review this one with whether out portions of it before today? Yes. All right, and you understood when you were speaking to the FBI that they were federal agents, correct? Yes . And that you were supposed to tell them the truth, correct? Absolutely. And do you believe that you did in fact tell them the truth ? To the best of my knowledge, again, when it comes to dates and times, I was obviously off, but everything else is absolutely one hundred percent true . Okay , and have you reviewed any have you at any time reviewed this document without those portions whited out ? I don't believe I've seen this document without the portions . Okay , so you don't know , for example, what's behind those other than what you recall . No , having told the FBI at the time correct . That's correct . Okay, I'm going to show you a new document . Okay, you can just put that to the side. Defendants exhibit seven . All right , Brad Edwards says, Thanks. Miss Manager says, and do you recognize this document? Yes . And what do you understand it to be? This was a phone conversation that I had between Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards . Okay, and do you see a date reflected on the front page? April seventh, twenty eleven . Is that when you had that phone conversation with them? If it's dated like that, it must be, yes . Well, I just need you to say from your memory, does that sound about right in terms of what you recall having been the phone conversation? I'm sure it's correct OK . I don't have a good calendar in my brain, so yes, I'm sure that's the correct date . Did you understand what it was being recorded? Correct? Yes . Okay. Have you listened to that that recording of phone call ? I don't believe I've listened to the recording, but I have seen the document . Alright, and again, you were speaking the truth at the time. You were speaking to them as lawyers and officers of the court, correct? Yes . And again, to the best of my knowledge when it comes to the dates . Okay and then the last the last document I hope is the big one. She says, all right, do you recognize I'm going to, I'm sorry. If I didn't say it already, this is defendants exhibit eight. Do you recognize this document? Yes, I do. And what is this document ? This is a manuscript that I was writing , I believe back in twenty eleven regarding some of my live story . And just to make it known, this is based on true events, but I wouldn't say fictional, but just based on true events. Not everything in it is not everything in it is and not everything is, you know, correct. So there's a few mistakes in there . Okay . Off the top of your head, do you recall any mistakes that are in there now without reading the one hundred and forty page document . Brad Edward said we're going to be here a long time . She says, Yeah, we could be here for a very long time. I mean, I'd say the majority of it is correct. Some names have been chang ed in order to protect other people . Protect their privacy ? Protective privacy. Yeah, I would say just not getting them involved in if this were ever to go public . Well, again, without readingre the whole manuscript , reading it, yeah, I'm trying to see if I can see something in there . Let me narrow my question and maybe that will help . Yes , is there anything? Well, first of all, did you author the entire manuscript? Yes, I did . Did anyone else author part of the manuscript? I'm on this right page okay ? Do you mean did anyone else write this with me? Right . No . That's all you're writing. This is my writing . Okay, to the best of your recollection, as you sit here now, is there anything in that manuscript about Gl aine Maxwell that is untrue . I don't believe so. Like I said, there is a lot of stuff that I actually have left out of here . Uhhuh . So there's a lot more information I could put in there, but as far as Glenne Maxwell goes, I would like to say that there is a ninety nine point nine percent of it would be the correct knowledge . All right , is there anything that you and I understand you're doing this for memory . Is there anything that you recall as you're sitting here today about Going Maxwell that is contained in that manuscript? That is not true . You know, I haven't read this in a very long time. I don't believe there's anything in here about Glaine Maxwell that is not true. Brad Edwards says I just asked Counselor if you have anything specific to show her about Glaine Maxwell . Miss Manager said I'll ask questions Brad Edwards I,'ll have her look at it . Miss Manager says, I'll ask questions . Mr. Edwards says, I know, but I want the record clear that if she hasn't read it in a long time, she, Miss Manager, says she made the record very clear, thank you. She doesn't need you to make it to make a record. Brad Edwards, I'm not making records, but you're making this last longer. There's no need for this. This doesn't have to be an unpleasant process. I want her to help you . Miss Manager, I don't find it unpleasant. I'm sorry if you do . Brad Edwards OK. Well, then I object to the last series of questions to the extent that she is unable to look at what you wanted her to look at . Miss Manager would like I would like the next turn I would like to next turn to a document filed on march sixteenth of this year or actually let me rephrase that a document dated march sixteenth of this year, which we will mark as defendants exhibit nine , do you recognize this document, Mr. Jufre? Yes, I do. All right, and what is your understanding of what this document represents Based upon the title, it is the plaintiff's response and objections to defendant's first set of discovery requests to plaintiff . Are you the plain and are you the plaintiff? I am the plaintiff. Yes . All right. So it's your response to miss Maxwell's discovery request, correct ? Correct . All right . And if you look at the last page, or I'm sorry, it would be the second to the last page. You might see signatures of your attorney, correct? I see printed names. Printed , electronic signature. Okay , we'll have a little S in front of it. All right . Do you see that? I can see that yeah, the printed names. So if it's an electronic signature, then yes . All right , and the date on that is march sixteenth of twenty sixteen . Correct . All right. And so without revealing the content of your conversation, you assisted in preparing responses to discovery requests. Correct? Yes. All right, I'm going to show you the subsequent one marked defendant's exhibit ten and dated march twenty second . If you can take a look at that , thank you. And while we're at it, I'm going to give you defendants exhibit eleven so you can look at them together . All right , thank you . All right, so looking at Defendants exhibit ten, do you recognize that document? Plaintiff's supplemental response and object ions to defendant's first set of discovery requests to plaintiff. I've seen a lot of documents and they all look the same, but I'm sure I've seen it . Alright, and looking again at the last page or I'm sorry this time, it will be the third to last page. Do you see the attorney's signature and date march twenty second, twenty sixteen, correct? I do. All right. And then looking at the defendant's exhibit eleven, that's your declaration, correct? Yes, it is. And declaring under penalty of perjury as of march twenty second, twenty sixteen that the supplemental response and objections are true and correct, right ? Correct . And that you, that 's your signature , that is mine . And you are swearing under penalty of perjury that defendants exhibit ten is true and correct. Yes. As of march twenty second, twenty sixteen, right? Yes . Alright. And then one more on that, defendants exhibit twelve . Do you recognize this document? Yes. Okay, what is this document ? Plaintiff's second amendment supplemental response and objection to defend ant's first set of discovery requests to plaintiff . All right, and again, turning to the very rear section, I think you'll see your attorney's signature again and the date of april twenty ninth, twenty sixteen . I do see that. All right . And again, you authorize this document to be filed, correct , correct . And the statements contained therein are true to the best of your knowledge, correct ? Correct . And that's april twenty ninth . It's just a few days ago, correct? Yes all right. Did you review this april twenty ninth document before it was filed or served? Like I said, I've seen a lot of documents and they all look alike, but I'm sure I've seen this one . Okay . And if it's something that was served last Friday, does that refresh your recollection that you reviewed it before it was served on april twenty ninth, twenty sixteen . I believe I've seen this . And you were here in the US last Friday? Yes. So you saw it in person, correct? Yes, I was looking at a lot of documents on Friday . Okay , I believe this could definitely be what I looked at . All right, if I could direct your attention to let me see in that document , Brad Edward says exhibit twelve , mis , defendant's exhibit twelve to page, sorry, you're not the only one who's seen a lot of documents. Well , without asking you to look at the page, can you tell me what your between nineteen ninety six and well, in nineteen ninety six to two thousand two, what was your first job that you held ? I believe the first job that I held was in the year two thousand and that was at Marlago . Okay . And is that the first job you held as a teenager or at any point in time that you recall . Yes, that I recall . All right. Did you ever work at Tacobo? My ex boyfriend used to work there and I would help him out. I was never really I don't think I was employed there. He was my boyfriend, so I stayed with him there with him all the time . What was his name? I called him Michael, but I think his real name was James . Okay , and so he was employed there, but you were not employed there. I used to go there and help him out . Did you have a uniform ? I would have to wear a shirt when I was there. Yes, he was the manager, so Oh, a tacabo shirt? Yes. Okay, and did you get a paycheck from them? I believe Michael paid me. How did he pay you ? With a check written from Tacobell ? You know, I don't know, sorry, I just I remember he asked me to come in and help him out and that's I didn't really consider myself an employee there, but just wearing the shirt and getting a paycheck didn't cause you to think you were an employee Well , Brad Edward's objective form mischaracterizes her testimony . Yeah, I know I, mean it was, my boyfriend . I was helping him out, so that's the way I looked at it . Is there any other place that you wore a uniform and got a check from in the years from nineteen ninety six to two thousand? I did work at a publics as a bad girl but that was only for a couple weeks I think . Which Publix was that? I believe it was in Laksahatchee Okay, do you remember the street? No, alright. Where else did you were where else you were? Anywhere else you wore a uniform and got a paycheck. I volunteered at a bird aviary . What was the name of that? I don't know the name of it, but it was, I'm an animal lover, so okay , it's something I enjoyed doing. Okay, did you get a check from them? I volunteered. I think they eventually put me on some kind of payroll. I don't think it was much though . Okay , so what year were you helping out in a taco bell, wearing a uniform and getting a check . I have no idea when it comes to years . Was it before or after Mar Lago? Before Mara Lago. Okay, and how Marlago was my first real job. So what was that? Mara Lag a was like my first real job . What do you mean by real job? Like, you know, fully employed, sit down for an interview and, you know , okay, so Tacabo was Tacab theell firste place you got a paycheck from Brad Erica's objective form . I don't know to be honest . And in what order did Tacabello, Publics, and Marlago Go and the Aviary sorry . Oh, I would have to guess. Do you want me to guess? Sure I would say publics, and then I think that's when I helped my boyfriend out at the Taco Bell and then I think the Aviary . And where was the Tacobel? I was living in Fort Lauder , I think it was in Fort Lauderdale. Don't quote me on that, but somewhere in Florida, Broward County, something like that . And who were you living with at that time? Michael. His name is James, but Michael. So you were living with Michael when you worked the Tacoboe, right? Yes, I was living with him. And you worked with Michael when you worked the publics, correct? No . Okay, so publics came after Talacabelle or before . I think it came, like I said, don't quote me on it, but I think publics came before it. And who were you living with when you worked at publics? My mom and dad . And who were you living with when you worked at the aviary My mom and dad . Anywhere else you got a paycheck from before two thousand ? No, not that I can think of. Okay, anywhere else you wore a uniform ? Besides Mara Lago and yeah, that's it. Okay , so how long was it between working at any of those three places and the time that you worked at Marlago? I have no idea. I'm sorry. Years, months . Oh, we're going to go back chronologically. I was trying to get my GED and I there was a summer break and that's when I started working for Marlago. So that Marlago is we know now is in the year two thousand , so I would have to say a month months. And what was the job you believe you had immediately prior to Marlago? If I were correct, it would be the aviary that I volunteered at . Okay Okay . And you believe that you were living with your parents at the time you worked at the aviary ? Yes, okay. And not living with Michael. Michael might have been living with me and my parents . Okay. So you recall Michael was living with you and your parents at the time you worked at the Aviary ? Yes. Miss McCauley objection mischaracterized his testimony . Miss Manager, and was Michael living with you and your parents at the time you started at Marlago? Yes . And what address was Michael living with you and your parents at the time you started at Marlago? My parents address . Whatever address you were living at the time you started at Mar Lago, she says redacted Loxahatchee, Florida thirty three four seven And is that when you came to work at Marlago? My dad is a maintenance manager, a supervisor. I don't know what you call it, but he worked in the maintenance department , mostly on tennis courts, working on the air conditioning, helping set up for functions, and he got me a summer job there. Okay, and you said you were on a break? Yes. What were you on a break from? I think like this is going back so long now, but I was attempting to get my GAD in and it summer came so school stops during the summertime here in America and I got a summer job . All right. And where were you in school? I don't actually know the name of the place. It's yeah, I know . A GED place ? Yeah, it was like I was previously in Royal Palm Beach High School, but I mean because of a lot of circumstances that I had been subjected to, I decided I wanted to get my GED . Okay , so you were going to an actual school to get your GED, that's what you're saying? Yes. And that school, whatever it was where you, were getting your GED was not Palm Beach High School right ? No . And it whatever the school was where you were getting your GED took a summer break. I believe so, yes. And that was in two thousand . Now that we know the date, the right dates, yes. And that's when your dad helped you to get the quote unquote summer job. Yes. All right, and that summer job was at Marlago? Yes . Okay , now tell me you sort of come to Marlago for the first time. He asked you to come, they called you, what happened ? My dad was very well liked there, so I think he talked to the people who were in HR and then they said for me to come in for an interview . To be interviewed for a locker room assistant . Mhm . They liked me. I had to go through a series of drug tests, polygraph tests. I mean it, was a very extensive regime to get a job there . Yeah . And then all those came back good. I started all when all those came back good, I started the job. So how long do you think it took for you to go through the extensive series of drug tests and polygraph tests and hiding them both in the same day . Okay, when was the interview? Was it on the same day or a different day ? I believe it was like a few days beforehand . Okay, and do you remember who you interviewed with ? No . Do you remember the title for the job for what you were interviewing? Locker room attendant locker room attendant was the name of the position ? Yes , yes . And did they give you any training? No . Did they show you how to work the lockers? Well, I mean, there was this girl who already worked there at the front desk. I think she helped make appointments and greeted people and then she just told me my duties in the locker room were to, you know, make tea. I had never made tea before, so that was that was fun . Learn how to make tea. Clean up after the ladies who had been in the locker room, make sure the bathrooms were kept nice and t idy. You fold the toilet paper into a little triangle. Everyone time someone went into the toilet, clean up the sink area. It was a very crazy job. Do you remember the names of any of your coworkers who you worked with at Marlago ? I believe the head of the spa area was Adriana or Adrian. I can't remember exactly . Okay, and the girl who trained me, I have a very clear picture of her face, but I can't remember her name. All right, what did she look like? She had blonde hair probably to her shoulders and it was curly . And how old was she? Say in her twenties . All right. Did they check your identification when you went in for your job interview or your it was very extensive. I'm sure they would have had to check and make sure I was who I was . So you had a driver's license, right? I believe so . Alright, and let's see. Did you move to a different position while you were there or did you always stay as a locker room? I wasn't there very long. So I was so I just one second . Did you always stay as a locker room attendant , yes . Okay, I just need to finish my questions for the court reporter . I know I'm sorry. I have a tendency of jumping in. Okay , if I can direct your attention back to defendants exhibit twelve at page fifteen and under the heading Response to Interrogatory number nine, do you see what where it says yes .iss M Joffrey , pronouncing Jo Frey, excuse me , responds as follows . Yes . Okay . It says you worked as a locker room attendant for the spa area, correct ? Yes . And it says records produced in this case identify the date of employment as two thousand. Correct? Yes . What records that were produced in this case cause you to believe that the employment began in two thousand . Is this going back to another question that I'm not allowed to answer? No . I have seen the documents and I know that my employment now is in two thousand . What documents did you see that ca use you to make that answer ? The Marlago employment documents are they your Marlago employment documents ? Um Pride Edward's objective form My name is on there . Okay, do you believe them to be your Marlago employment documents? As far as I can tell . Okay , so were you able to review your Marlago employment documents ? Objective form and respond to the question as it says right there that you respond correct Yes . When did you review the documents that you reviewed to cause you to respond to that answer that way? I don't think I found out till sometime m id last year, I believe . Okay , I'm really not too sure. You know, I'm sorry, dates and documents, there's too many to remember, but okay, you do admit that you filed in many documents that you met Glaine Maxwell in ninety eight or ninety nine, correct? Yes . And you do admit that you told members of the media that you met Glaine Maxwell in ninety eight or ninety nine, correct? Brad Edwards form , that was my closest approximation to what I can actually remember. So you told the media that you met her in ninety eight or ninety nine , form , again, yes, as close as I can remember . And the media published in the newspapers that you met Gallaine Maxwell ' ninety eight or ' ninety nine, correct? Form ? Yes, they did. And the news media published in the newspapers what you told them, which is that you were fif teen when you met Glene Maxwell, correct ? Form , which is what I truly thought at the time. Yes , okay . And it is not true that you were fifteen when you met Glene Maxwell, correct? It was a mistake that I made, yes . So that the printing in the newspaper that you met Gallaine Maxwell when she was when you were fifteen is not true statement of fact, correct? It's an incorrect statement as I have now found out that my employment started in two thousand . All right, and to the best of your recollection, you found out that out in the middle of twenty fifteen, correct? Ms. McCauley. Objection . To the best of my recollection, I mean , I can't pinpoint the exact date I found out, but yes , about a year ago . All right, now we're going to go through the lawyers. Ms. Pagliuka, are we all participating in this deposition or just miss McCauley? Same way you guys did. Miss Pagliuka, we did not, miss Manager, I did not. Miss McCauley, you both objected. Miss Manager, no , mister Pagliuka, no, we didn't. Miss McCauyghe, we can go back Louise. We can go back through the record. Mr. Pavloose, we sure can . So if we're all participating, maybe I'll have a few questions at the end of this. I think we should limit this to one lawyer and your state ment about two lawyers participating in the last deposition is wrong. Miss McCaulay, well I recall that she got a microphone because she said she was going to be objecting. So Mr. Pagliuka, I know. She put on a microphone and didn't speak through the whole thing. Miss McCaulay, well, we can take a look at back at the record. You know, it's not a problem. Brad, can make the objections mister Pagliuka, okay, let's take care of it that way then. Brad Edwards says, can you tell me when you're at a good stopping point? Ms. Manager. I was about to say it's been an hour . Mr. Brad Edwards. Yeah. Miss Manager. So this would be a good time to take a break. Brad Edward says, Okay, thanks. The videographer says we're going off the record at ten twelve. They took a recess from ten twelve AM to ten twenty seven AM . Flags where we will stop today because that is one hour for us as well . And then we will come back to this on Friday. So let's hi . Okay are you as frustr ated as I am with this and the lawyers fighting and the clear intent to discredit her for getting something wrong ? I just want to hug her. I just want to yeah , I know . Okay , anyway, we're gonna continue this on Friday . We will dig more into her actual deposition of the things that she remembers about Glen Maxwell and the abuse she suffered . Unfortunately, that section was not with a trigger , but there will be some that is triggering, so bear in mind . Again , before we close out, up in the corner, I have a QR code for the store website that is Virginia Jufreys Foundation . It does not have a donation link set up, but you can go get more information. There are great resources there. And then next time I will have a different a different QR code of places where we can help out raise money , make more awareness . Again, if you are feeling the pull to donate and help , I suggest you get on your computer and you Google resources in your own community. The best thing we can do is work close to home and find small foundational programs that don't have a lot of resources and financial backing and help in the ways that we can. I mean, it could be your food bank, but it could be anything like this. We did a drive , and I think this is who we're going to have as our next HURACO, but we did a drive, a t shirt drive for the Minneapolis Sexual Violence Center . That was a great example of a program that could use our help and helps people in that area. So suggest if you're just feeling generous to go see what you can do in your community to help out victims of sexual violence because there are a lot funny story . Thank you for joining me tonight . I will repost this on my substack and on YouTube and I appreciate you guys all checking in . And then you know, I and a bunch of people are on substack doing a lot of this research and investigation stuff . In hopes, again, two things , accountability for the people involved in this case that have never had accountability for their actions and for the people that they hurt and also moving forward how to stop this from ever happening again, which we were not there yet. So anyway , that is the goal. Keep on tracking, keep on working. If you want to do this too , I know there are other groups of people who are reading the files . All it takes is a laptop, a phone , a live link and just get up there and read. I do suggest that you declare any sort of trigger warnings if you're reading triggering documents, but this is the way to get people to recognize what's actually in the files rather than just be upset about the files . Again , so much mystery surrounding these files. We've been told we've been given three point five million documents. I kind of think we weren't given that many documents. I kind of think they told us a number , we believed a number, and we don't actually have that much. So let's keep moving forward, working hard , tearing through this silent information and making great change in our commun ities and abroad and you know, listening more than talking and helping where we can with whatever skills we have because they're all different. So okay, love you guys , I will talk to you on another one of these on Friday night. Bye