Protecting Children and Future Legislative Action

Well, well, well, it is another Monday in America following the june holiday weekend that I did my best to celebrate every single moment of as we move into the last week of pride month . It has been a hell of a time in New York and I am super excited to find some joy in summer . But in the midst of all of that , you can't deny the fact that we are being oh led by an Epstein cohort of pedophiles and lunatics and sociopaths that the President of the United States has turned the reflecting pool into a literal swamp . And that wired magazine last week dropped a bombshell that Peter Thiel has a bipartisan cohort of people who are interested in everything from starting a cult to dating advice. We are living in a wild weird world and because of that, we're doing a special afternoon edition of the Danielle Moody Show . I am so excited that you all are here, so buckle up dear friends and let's get into it Hello, hello , Damn nation. As you all know, Wajahat Ali is on a vacation. He's still doing lives, but he's on a vacation . So I am very excited to welcome to this special afternoon edition of the Danielle Moody Show . The fantastic creative mind Ellie Leonard behind the panic writer on st Sub . She is also contributing editor , contributing writer over at Blue Amp and an author and knows all of the inside, outside , all sides of the saga and the tragedy and trauma that is Jeffrey Epstein . So I thought, no one better , no one better to bring on to help us unpack what Ellie, we started talking about here on the Danielle Patro last week, the wired bombshell article that came out . And so I just want to I want to briefly remind folks . So here was the article . Leak exposes members of Peter Thiel's secretive dialogue society . M thanore two hundred of the world's elites registered for a retreat whose agendas run from panels on cult building and sex to prepping for World War III . And it was wildly bipartisan. So Ellie, I just wanted initially to get your reaction to that article last week. You know, I try to be really , really objective about it because I have this is not the first version of some of these elite clubs that I've come across in my research or in my life . This is a thing that happens. We have dialogue, we have something called the Renaissance Weekend. We have something called the Yellowstone Club that happens in Montana every year . These are these connections , the guest list is always secretive prior . They are very wealthy people, wealthy individuals. They're often people that we really like . And so you have to wonder like what is the intent behind these is it really this weird and wild and like gross , you know, subject matter that they're sort of infiltrating via the wealthy elite or do people just go for certain topics and they just go for like a day and they know what I mean? Like I was trying to objectively not want to cancel everybody who was on that list because 've been right. I've been studying the Estepin files are. a There lot of lists in the Epstein Files where I'm like, Dude, what are you doing on that list? You know ? And so, you know, I've been asking around and a lot of people, especially even in independent journalism, there's a lot of people who've been invited to these who have not gone . But my concern with them and you know, there is dialogue in the Epstein Bales. You can find people talking about this actual meeting of the minds. I don't think Epstein was ever invited, which I find very interesting why he wouldn't have been invited, but the people that he knew , someone named Ian Osborne, who is his PR manager, who was hired by Michael Wolfe for Epstein . He would go to these . They kind of were complaining about it because Peter Teague never actually attended, like he just ran it but didn't go . It is just very interesting what the intent was in the ick factor that I get from these things and I'm speaking as someone who's been to like the New York deal book, the New York Times deal book, which I put in the same basket, you know, it's just like billionaires talking to billionaires in a vacuum. Like it just, I think it does no good for society . It's the idea that they are then going to take the messages that they learned and they're going to push them on the rest of us middle class people, right? And the main one that is the thing that was a big deal all through Epstein's later years and is a big deal now is AI and just like making sure that we're okay with it in every commercial on T , in everything that we do on our computer, it's now going to pop up in our Microsoft Word. Like it's that idea that they need to make us okay with AI because they are the people pushing AI and that's kind of the ick factor that I get, but it's just like it is one more of these events where the people who they affect don't get to go like we're priced out obviously. They're fucking we aren't getting invites. I mean, I'm not getting invites to any of these things . And yet we're the people that it will ultimately affect. They will put a data center in our backyard and we won't have water, right? So that's more the ick factor I get from it. I think I kind of feel like wired jumped on this a little bit as a smoking gun, whereas if you do a little more research, like there's lots of event lists for that, there's lots of invite lists. Like it's not terribly secretive, but I just want people to know that there are many, many, many iterations of this across the US. So like the Yellowstone Club is the one that I want to know more about. They meet down by Rupert Murdoch's property in Montana and it's all the tech bros. And they get together and they make decisions for the rest of the world every summer in secret . And again, like you have the Renaissance Week and the Renaissance Week and started in Hilton Head, South Carolina. It occurred right around the time when Jane Doe Four was there and those missing files from the Epstein files that we discovered . And now it's moved to the West Coast and they invite great people to their guest list, but it's always really secretive . And so I don't I don't know why the secret iveness exists. I think it doesn't help in a time the times that we're living in . But I'm not quite sure if this is the smoking gun that Wired wanted it to be, but I'm also still very open minded about the whole thing. Yeah, I think , you know, I like your phrasing around the smoking gun, right? Because I just want to I want to walk people through again kind of what Wired had put up, right? So folks , it was a trove of internal records from a secret society for powerful figures in the U. S. politics, finance and tech was left exposed online, Wiired confirmed, naming participants in its events and revealing sensitive personal details they were assured would stay private. The Group Called Dialogue is a private invitation only organization co founded in two thousand six by Peter Thiel. It convenes U. S. official s, foreign government figures, Silicon Valley executives at off the record annual retreats. Dialogue has spent two decades declining to disclose its members. A directory in the website's code was revealed was first revealed by the Swiss hackavist Maya Arsen Crumu , known for exposing the U. S. government's no fly list and breaching the surveillance camera company Vercata , Cremu tells Wired the directory surfaced via an anonymous tip, Wired independently verified the contents. And I guess, like, to your point, Ellie , my thoughts are , of course, these secret retreats and events like happen all around the country, all around the world . I think that what is most disconcerning, particularly in the time of Epstein is the fact that these people , right, unelected people together are making decisions about eight billion of us, right? Like it is a group of two hundred some odd people, at least that was revealed in this dialogue that are sitting around pontific ating on , I would argue, not your words, but mine. I would argue on how to extract the most amount of money make life relatively difficult for everybody else so that they don't have the ability to push back, right? And they can continue growing their wealth and their power . And because it's secretive, right? We don't know if the people who we have elected to represent us are actually working on our behalf or if everything that we've ever known is just a fucking front. Like because that's what it feels like to me. It's like it's like the more that we claw back, the more that is revealed of this onion, it's like everything is rotten to the core and at this point you just, don't even know what to believe about who's in control. And if democracy has always been the illusion of the people having power , but like it's always been a secret cabal of people making the decisions for the rest of us. Yeah, money breaks you. Like you can't there is no democracy with wealth , right ? You can't go represent your constituents if you have I mean this is just I'm really bad at capitalism. Like I just like I feel like you can't have a certain amount of money in your bank account and turn around and help your neighbor. I just feel like it's impossible . And so when you go to the inauguration and you see a stage filled with people who were formerly, you know, quote unquote, Democrats , and yet all of a sudden they're supporting a really not just a Republican president, but like a fascist, you know , criminal war criminal president. I'm comfortable saying that . It's because of money. It has nothing to do with politics, it has nothing to do with social justice and caring about Medicaid and caring about, you know, veterans benefit. It has nothing to do with that. You now have a trillionaire who is basically working in the White House again . These are the people who are making decisions for us while we are not even living paycheck to paycheck. Like paycheck to paycheck is a myth . We don't pay ourchecks do not stretch two weeks . And so these people are supposedly, you know, on the Democratic side making decisions that are supposed to help us. But when they're going to these tech conferences that ultimately hurt people, especially in rural communities, where places where these data centers are going to go in , where people buy up land. Like there's, you know, I moved to the East Coast from Montana and Montana is such a hot spot for people to go in and just like secretively buy up land and create compounds and do weird shit . Like that is how they continue to hurt the American public and they do it under the guise we vote the same way you do. But it's like if you have a hundred million dollars in your bank account, it doesn't matter what party you represent. You are now separate from me. You are separate from my family, you are separate from my neighbors You can't represent me. You can't come in with a trust fund and represent the people who are on welfare. It's just physically impossible to do. You have no like it's like I don't know if soci os pack tend to lean towards becoming hundred millionaires if having a hundred million dollars turns you into a sociopath. It's like what came first, the chicken or the egg . You just cannot walk in somebody's shoes with a hundred million dollars in your wallet. You can't do it. It's gone . Yeah, and I think that that is completely right. And so it's appalling then to watch people who literally, I always call it the lottery mentality , right? It's like one scratch off away from being like Jeff Bezos. One , you know, scratch off away from being, you know, the next Musk is that America has always had this lottery mentality where you have people that aren't, even to your point, living paycheck to paycheck, that we are all essentially in layer of working class . Like I don't even think that there is a like we're all we're in the service class is what I say. The service the serving to the one percent . It's based on your education level will tell you whether you're in middle management or whether you're in, you know, or you're like shining shoes, but in any capacity, like that's what it is that we're doing. We're in service to this elite group. And I just don't understand how they're consistently able though , to make it seem like or to create these avatars and pitches that then convince average American people to be like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll know better. Like Donald Trump, I'm just like, you needed to live in New York City for five minutes and you'll understand like who Donald Trump has always been and what this city and what this state has always thought about him as a fraud, as a huckster, as like a deal star, right? Like that has always been the energy about Donald Trump. And so to turn to this man and you see these white working class people and they're like this is my guy and I'm just like how fucking dummy there's so many metaphors that go through my head when I think of that. I think of stock holm Syndrome, I think of like abused spouses and how they say, Oh, my husband's a good guy. You just don't understand, you know ? I think of the Met Gala and how everybody's like, Oh, it's the greatest thing ever. That could be me . Look at Inan and you're just like, do you want to understand these people are spending a hundred million or one hundred thousand dollars for a ticket to show up in wealth while people are like a block away are homeless on the sidewalk and don't have enough to eat. Like it's just this it's this imaginary mentality that the king and queen will feed you. You know what I mean? That the royalty will feed the poor people, but it's like the royalty don't get to be royalty if everybody is fed, right? If everybody was fed, there would be no royalty. There would be no wealth. There would be everybody would survive. And then they go my, oh god, that's communism. That where everybody doesn't have enough. No, everybody would have enough . I wrote a piece, I don't know, months ago , where I just took the top ten wealthiest men in the US and the top ten wealthiest people in the US are men . And I said, You know what? Let's just give these guys one billion dollars to live on for the rest of their life. Let's say they live till they're one hundred years old, right ? And then let's take the rest of their money and put it back into the needs of the U. S. The youngest person of those ten was Mark Zuckerberg. And if he had a hundred billion or if he had one billion dollars to survive on for the rest of his life, he would have forty four thousand dollars a day for the rest of his life. If you had the oldest person, he had something like forty seven million dollars a day for the rest of his life , and homelessness would be gone, medical debt would be gone, school debt would be gone, like school s would be billionaires. Fort four thousand dollars a day. Like I don't know how to spend forty four thousand dollars a day, right? And so just the idea that these people are continuing and this was before we were considering a trillionaire, right? The idea these people are sitting on this, they're not donating it anywhere. They're not doing anything for the good of society. They're sitting on their wealth while people starve to death , you know, while people are ripped from their schools, homes and cars is not a democracy. Like that's a lie. We are not living in a democracy. And it's frustrating to me that these secret societies or whatever exist because even if people that I think are good who vote like me, you know, stand up for the same cause as I do , if you buy a ticket that only the people who can attend have to pay sevent een, twenty, one hundred thousand dollars to go , like, that already for me, if I could afford it would be a no because it says that you don't get to go, but I get to go, right? And if you, you know, when I went to the Deal Book, I went there as like a press worker at the New York Times. And I remember writing to Andrew Rossorkin after and I said, you know , you had like the head of the auto workers speaking to a room full of millionaires about how to fix the auto industry for workers . And then you had like David Zazlov speaking to a room full of millionaires about what to do for your SAG employees. I said, why not fill the room with the SAG employees? Like fill the room with the auto work ers who actually will ask the right questions about their lives and their jobs. And he said, you know, if we do that, if we fill the room with the people who this matters to , those people will come speak. They won't show up. Right. And that's the deal. That's the deal. They won't do this unless unless it's a person with a million dollars in their pocket who's coming to listen because it's a vacuum . I mean, I just I guess, you know, we have all been razledaz led by wealth and celebrity, particularly in this country, right? Like when I travel and I notice what I notice is so stark about America, Ellie is how corpor atized it is. Like America might as well just have a seal that is like all of the logos of corporations . And the most startling thing when I like when it really like came up for me , I spent New Year's Eve in Kenya in Nairobi and I'm watching BBC and I was watching like all of the the balls drop around the world . And you know, like, you know, their celebration around the around the world as the clock was striking midnight . And in every country, it was about the culture . It was about like unity , it was a was it something that was very inspiring , right ? And very connected to the culture and the citizens of that of that particular country and place. You get to the United States when it was our time for the ball drop and it was like Kiss cam brought to you by Nipia. This brought to you by Nippa every honestly, like it was so fucking jarring . Yeah, it was so jarring because I had just spent like the majority of like the last few hours watching these like beautiful architectural buildings and things light up and the people celebr ate and you know, what does this mean for the country for the next year blah blah? And you get to the United States and I mean every fucking aspect of New Year's has been commodified every fucking thing . And you realize again, when you pulled out of it for a little bit , like how that has been made to feel normal. You sit, you watch television and what do you inundated with? All of the advertisements for every type of medicine that you can take for every like every pharmaceutical, everything has like some type of stamp and seal on it . And it's disgusting it's disgusting and it's in but we are we are so fed with it right to the point of nausea that we believe that that's the only thing that you should strive for, right you? should That be striving to be able to have the stuff because the stuff then tells me that I am somebody , right? Like if I can access this stuff, these places, right? These logos, these designs, like then like I am somebody and it's just I think that America has done an extraordinary job jamming celebrity, culture , wealth hyper capital ism down our throats to the point where like we think that if you don't have a side hustle, then like you're not working hard enough. So you should have a nine to five, a five to nine , and then a nine to twelve. And that's how and that's how you should be able to live your life. Right, right. And you know, like there's so many examples of that. I'm living in the middle of like World Cup chaos right now just because of where we live and like the amount of advertising everywhere. And whether it's advertising on the World Cup or advertising the World Cup on McDonald's or and feeding it to your children through YouTube and they go mom, Oh I have to, go to McDonald's because I need to get the World Cup plushy or you know, whatever. And it's it , you know, sports is such a big one for advertising. And I get the sponsorship thing, but it is, I've always found it to be so weird that like when you go to a stadium, like I grew up with the Mariners in Seattle , that the stadium can't be named after the team. It has to be named after like a cell phone or like a . You know what I mean? It's more like yeah and there is one stadium that does not do that and I got to work on a project and I'm not a big sports fan, you know, I'm not very good at following sports, but like I worked on the it was like a documentary series on the history of the Green Bay Packers. And the Green Bay Packers is the one sports team that has always been owned by their fans. They do like little tiny stock drives every twenty years. I mean, they're very rare. The stocks are not worth anything, they don't grow, they don't shrink. It just means that you are a part owner of the team. And so their stadium, Lambo field, is totally owned by the f ans. It is not advertised or sponsored by anyone and they have had enough money from that in order to keep it fixed and repaired and everything that they have needed to do and it is run and owned and the decisions are made by the fans and not by corporations. And I remember thinking that that was just such a beautiful story and how easy that could happen anywhere. I think about it on social media when I think of like the horrible shit show that is Twitter now. Like how easily that could be a subscriber run platform where people made their own decisions about what goes on there instead of like one guy who's, you know, blocking everything , but we don't do that. We do sponsorships, you know, where even on substack, we're asked to like be sponsored and say, you know, this is brought to you by such and such and such. And I feel really weird about that. I will inevitably probably have to do that at some point , but I don't feel comfortable advertising for somebody that I don't also know their corporate morals are. I don't know where they put their money. I don't know what good or bad things that they do . I would just like to present the work that I do without having to say like, but I use this skincare product or right . You know, I always tell my husband and this is like totally a piping, but I was like, if I was ever rich and famous, like, do I have to do perfume commercials? It seems like everybody does perfume ads and like I don't ever want to do that. Like that would be ridiculous. I just feel like it's the stupidest at anyway, sorry, sorry no what? That would never happen, but Leonard spritz smell like In my model career , it's like socialism and community . No, but it's, I mean, that's but that's the thing, right? Like that's what it means , you know, and I want to go I want to go back to the, you know, the list of some of these people because this is what it means to gain wealth, right? It means to buy into capitalist engine and be able to extract as much as you possibly can. So of course if you were to get into a position to be able to say, well , this company wants a piece of you and this company wants a piece of you like would you be crazy to quote unquote be leaving that money on the table? And it's like, it starts out small , but then it turns into this shit show that we see right here , which is like our politics AI and oil AI oil, right? Like this is, I mean, here are some of the people, again, folks. This is about the wired magazine . Most bipartisan bipartisan international list of people . Everyone from Westmore to Cory Booker to Jared Polis, right ? You have then you go Julian Castro , you have You have all of these people that were invited, Neil Cat , who you listen to on a regular basis, right? On MS Now , right? You have Ezra Klein and, you know, that was there. And again, these people suppose sorry, let me go back . Oh, I was just gonna say, they're like ninety percent not so great . No , they're not. But there are people on there that I like, but like not so great . But not so great, but like here, so here's the thing. It's like oh dear. It just started raining. And I have all my cushions outside. So anyway I'm like, and I'm like, I meant to take them up before . Oops . So I mean, when you see this list and I know again , you're like at the beginning, I don't want to write off everybody. Like some people go to these things like to be in the room, but it's like, I think that there was this analogy that said that if I'm invited to a table to sit and there is like a table of twelve people and one of them is a Nazi, then like you're sitting going to the table. You're sitting on a table of Nazis, right? So if you're invited to this event and it's being run by the devil, right? But you're just like, well, I'm not a devil worker. I want to see what kind of panels he has. Like, what the fuck does that say about you? Right. So we're living cancel those people. You know what I'm saying? Like, what are we supposed to do ? Right. And if you were a person with any kind of a platform and you're invited to anything, I would assume you you're looking it up pretty hard these days. Like you don't want to be somewhere where you know something just happens to be connected to such and such or like someone in the files or and I think of, you know, looking at the top and I see Cory Brooker and Ted Cruz and it's like, you know, there are a lot of rooms that I would like them to sit together and actually come to a consensus on really good things that help the American people because they're politically very opposite . This is not that room, you know, talking about AI and Oil and and with Elon Musk and, you know, all these people that are hurting , you know, and potentially taking away elections . And like, that's not the room that I would want you to be in if you're representing me. I would want you , you know, to be like these people who are going to, you know, Delaney Hall and standing out front and getting pepper sprayed. Like those are the people that represent me, right? Those are the people that are doing good for their constituents and going to like AI tech conferences were not sold on AI. Like my job, I have a small business . It was ninety nine point nine percent taken away by AI with the press of a button. Like I am somebody who was affected by AI . And so you're telling us that you're representing us and you're fighting against Project twenty twenty five or fighting against the big beautiful bill or all these things that they're telling us that they're fighting on our behalf against these bad things . And yet you're going and you're sitting down sharing a meal with the people who are doing those things to us and you're sitting across a table. Again, like you said, not sit at the table, don't sit at the table. It feels simple, right? It feels really simple , but I don't know . I you know, and I guess to me too , you have done, you know, truly the work around , you know, the Epstein files and and and also trying to continue to keep that conversation top of mind for people. And so again , for you, when you saw the list of people that was released by Wired and your research with Epstein , is it your belief that like this cohort just went away when this man died , right? Like what I mean, like because it just feels like Ellie that like every time it's it feels like Jeffrey Epstein is like the new seven degrees of Kevin Bacon. Like it feels like everyone that we know Republican Democrat independent is like seven degrees or less away from fucking Jeffrey Epstein. So like how do you make sense and how should we be making sense again of this of these lists and this exposure to this cohort ? So Jeffrey Epstein was one guy. He was very powerful. He had a very high position in this investigation , but he wasn't the whole system , right? The whole system has been in place for decades and hundreds of years . I live right next to Teterborough Airport. I see those little golf streams fly over my house every day. There are billionaires going back and forth all day long over my house . When you have a billion dollars and you have no consequences, you're a Les Wexner, you're a Glen Dubin, you're anybody in this in this list. You're a politician, you work in academia, you run Harvard . There are no rules for you. They don't have the same rules that you or I have. And so they don't have the same ethics that you and I have because they know that there are not consequences for the things that they want or feel that they deserve . And so this idea of underage girls, well , you know, you have all these men who travel the world and you have Alan Dershowitz and you have all these people who say, well, I've been to Italy or I've been to these other countries where the age of consent is fourteen and it's thirteen and I'm global and I so that's what I consider myself to, you know, what is mature? What is, you know , could this girl be of child bearing age? Well, then she's considered mature. You know, this stuff didn't stop with Epstein. And certainly the people, in the files who are involved directly with Epstein have had no consequences. Like, I'm sorry, being forced into early retirement when you have a billion dollars is not a consequence. You're going to go live on your yacht, right? You're going to go buy another island. Like that's not a consequence . But you have all of these people and it's like nepotism and it's it's a certain generation too. Like there are younger politicians and there are younger celebrities and there are younger people who were not in the files just because of simply their age. They probably would have been if they were old enough . But you have this entire generation of wealth and politics and any industry that you can think of finance, everything that is all a giant club . And you can go in any direction as far as you want . You know, I was reading the other night I was reading the diary of the unknown survivor, which is just, I mean, it's really sad. It's this young girl who wrote in her diary, she wrote everything in code. She had magazine clippings, and it's from the late nineties . And she's describing the names of all the men who were in the C Suite at AOL in Virginia. And these men are all in the files. We've never heard their names before, but she's naming them. Like this is such a giant club of wealth and nepotism that I personally feel, especially in politics, that you kind of have to wipe away an entire generation of politics and start fresh. Right. Which I think we need to do anyway. Right. This whole dying to get out of Congress is I'm over it . But like we just need to wipe away this entire generation of people who are involved whether socially , financially, lobbying , you know, involved in some of the like the tech stuff where they were, again, having these closed door meetings at Epstein's house. Like they had secretive meetings all the time. People like Steve Bannon like people need to have consequences and then we need to wipe the slate clean and start fresh because everybody like it is very you're very hard pressed to find people who were not connected . And I've also said more than once, you know, if we were to do this investigation properly, like if the DOJ did their job, the House oversight, you know, everybody, if everybody did their job properly , it could literally collapse our economy because yeah , I mean what is what are what's her face, right? Former attorney general. That's what she said , right? Was like, well, if you really want us to like do this kind of investigation then it could upend everything . And where's everything ? Yeah , right. It would . Like are we supposed to just be like, oh no, let's keep this system intact that only again serves this one percent and allows for the continuation of child abuse and rape and all of these things. Like, oh no, if it means that like my Amaz on package still comes on time, we can the system. Right . And we need to people need to grapple with the idea that there are people that you really like and have looked up to your whole life who are involved with this and be willing to let that go. It's that concept of I've known this person my whole life, I've seen them on TV, I think of like Bill Cosby, like people who are emotionally drawn to somebody who's been on their television since their whole life or they've read their books or that was their old professor or whatever, you have to be willing to recognize that the people that you loved and trusted also did these bad things and be willing to let them go. If you can't let go of the people that are on your side who did bad things, then you can't let go of anybody and will keep doing this over and over and over again. And so you know , again, like, there are entire colleges, like universities Harvard . I think I heard you say like Harvard shouldn't even exist at this point . They are completely in meshed. And I spoke with, you know, I happen to have a friend that I grew up with and her husband was in the department that Jeffrey Epstein bought and paid for in two thousand six. Like he was in that department as a student. And he saw everything. He said he knew him. He saw him at the parties. All of a sudden they had all this money and their department was like, he's like, we had the best coffee maker on campus. And he was, you know, he was a foreign exchange student, so he couldn't afford to go home for Christmas. So he was staying in these apartments that were financed by Jeffrey Epstein . It was completely corrupt. He had an office there almost until the day he died. He had a key card at Harvard. I mean well after his first trial, right? Everybody knew like everybody who is a celebrity or a professor or whatever , everybody came after his first conviction. So to say that they didn't know didn',t it exist, nobody would have known it completely impossible. When you have a list of everybody who came to the Yam Kapur dinner in twenty ten and it is filled with people who are on substack and have big platforms and in the media and they say we just didn't know. It's like, I can show you a hundred articles that came out of New York City alone that talked about what he did prior to that dinner . Like you knew and you didn't care and you went . And that is continually what has happened. And that is why we are not litigating this. That is why they're making the survivors litigate their own cases over and over and over again because they don't want to. It's their friends . Yeah. And I just, you know, again, it always goes back to the George Carlin quote of it's a big club and you're just and you're not in it right and it's this idea that like this has been going on for centuries , right? Like this is, you know, it always finds a different group and with technolog y like has a, you know, a different tenor, a different tone with each generation, but it's always ever present . And to me, it comes back to right, the abuse of women and girls, right? That the more powerful and wealthy men become , the more likely they are to want to be able to abuse women and girls because the wealth gives you a accountability free list, free card, right? Like you will never have to be accountable to anyone to anything. And the more that you have, the more that you want, right? And that was this was the ide a of the sea steads that tech oligarchs have. Like we don't believe in nation states and we don't believe in, you know, rules and regulations. Like we want to live on the sea and like in this, you know, weird in Honduras and take over these, you know, low income countries in this new tech colonist, you know, imperialist mindset that lives free of rules and regulations so that they can rape with abandon and they can do whatever and everyone and everything is property to them to amass. And I think that the psychology behind that is what the darker side of money that we refuse to like talk about and everyone is just like, well, if you were in it, you would do the same thing. And it's just like, are you insane? Like there are there should be rules, regulations and boundaries for a minute. So as we wrap up today, Ellie, I just wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of close out your thoughts on these kind of societies that have always existed , but like what you see may be different about this time around that we are seeing if anything . I think these societies , I think the three main things that have always been targeted since the beginning of time are women , poverty, and people of color, right? Those three groups and it could be two hundred years ago, it could be today. When you have these men raping these children , you know, people ask how they, go did home and tuck their kids in the bed at night? Like all these people had children. How do they do that ? And it is because when they see these girls , whether they were in the modeling industry, whether they were from Eastern Europe and brought over on an Einstein visa . They didn't see them as human in the way that they saw their own children who had wealth, who went to private schools, who had the best of the best . They didn't even see them as the same thing. They saw these girls who were like, wow, three hundred bucks. Like, I've never had three hundred dollars in my life . I live in a trailer park or I don't have parents at home . That has never changed. Like we have not worked as a society to recognize that mindset . And so what I have always said and what we're starting to see with these investigations that are picking up in like France and London is continue to not litigate based on sex crimes . And because the people should be litigated for those things don't think that they've done anything wrong. Donald Trump isn't worried about somebody coming after him for grabbing girls in the Misteen America pageant in the locker room. He's not worried about that, right? He's not worried about Katie Johnson and all these cases with thirteen year old girls who've accused him of rape . He doesn't think he did anything wrong. Like that is what the nauyght nineties, right? That's growing up in New York and the modeling industry and the money and the parties. And you know, that's just, you know, listen to Michael Cohen, that's just how people did it. Like people were in clubs when they were thirteen years old. Firt with them . It's no big deal, right ? We are continuing go after people for sharing private information for financial crimes, right? All the al Capone stuff, tax evasion, we are not going after any of these men for sexual crimes against children . And until we do that, until we actually get that right and go after people for se xual crimes because then you have to recognize that they are happening in your communities, they're happening in your churches, they are happening in your schools , actually putting people in jail for abusing children , this will continue to happen , right? This will never go away until we start to send people to jail for the right crimes. And we have yet to do that. People keep saying like, Oh, France is finally investigating. They're not investigating for sex crimes. They're investigating for financial crimes. They're putting people in jail for money . And so we have to get that right . We have to put people in jail for the right reasons and start to have consequences for this. And something really , really simple that I am trying to push so hard for is across the US, thirty two states have age of consent laws that are under the age of eighteen, like sixteen, fifteen, like it's how many ? thirty two states. It is mind blowing. We still have child brides in the US and so I am all I'm asking everybody reach out to your local senators and say, I want to propose a bill to just raise it to eighteen. It's so simple. It should be really passable and easy to do, but like raise the age of consent in the U. S. to eighteen years old to protect children. That is a simple law and a thing we could change in this case moving forward to keep this from happening again . And but people have to want to do it, right? People have to do that and I don't think they do. I mean, I just, you know , that says so much , thirty two states where the age is less than eighteen . I mean, that is really that says everything that you need to know about how this country cares for children. It just doesn't, right? And at the same time, the rollback that we've seen in child protection laws and work and working and all of these things that have happened in red states , it's truly extraordinary. Ellie, this has been a fantastic , fantastic conversation. I'm so grateful that you could kick off things this week with me here on this special edition of the Danielle Moody Show. Can you please tell people how to follow you, how to subscribe, how to support your work? We're all, we're bad capitalists, right? That's why we're not we're invited to the parties . But we do need the support of those are that are watching and subscribing. So tell people where they can find you. Yes, well, thank you for having me on. I sent Wash a message and I said I stole Danielle this week. I will give her back when you come home . 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Don't forget to bring in your couch cushions out of the way. Yes, thanks Now as always, power to the people and to all the people power . Get woke, stay woke, stay sane. And in these extraordinarily dangerous times do stay safe. Thank you, Ellie. Appreciate you. All right, guys, thank you.