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Welcome back to the Petapixel podcast. We have an amazing show today. Lots of crazy news. There are giants in the photo editing community merging and being acquired. some very interesting lens technologies is coming out A very popular photo spot that everybody loves to take pictures that may no longer be accessible. Nikon's doing something they've never done before. And there's a crazy new camera that has no screen. We're going to talk about this. You definitely don't want to miss this. Now I am Chris Nichols and I am being joined by my lovely friends here at the Petapixel podcast, Jaron Schneider Hello There he is and Jordan Drake. Hey, hey, hey But we are also joined by a special friend today, Matthew Grocutt, coming to us from across the pond in the UK. Matthew, thanks for joining us here today on the podcast. Great to be here, Chris We got Matt here becauseain our main story of the day is pretty interesting. I think you guys going to want to listen to this. It is about what press trips are really like. Matt was able to go along with Jordan on a recent press trip to Germany. so he's got insight from a first time around what this whole experience is like. So he's going to talk about that. And Jordan, I believe you have a question for us to get us all to become even more solid friends than we already are Yeah, so this will be no surprise to Chris Nichols, but this weekend I did a night of camping. And I'm very curious What is everyone's relationship with camping? Is this something you enjoy doing? Is it something you did as a child What is your most dramatic camping experience? anythingything like that. I want to I want to hear like your personal relationship to it. Why don't you go first, Chris Oh, you know, I didn't have a father figure in my life, which is why I'm all so screwed up now. and that means that I didn't get to go camping as a young man because you know, that's typically what, not always, but typically what a dad would do. I don't think my pososh mum from the the snobby areas of Tokyo would really know a lot about camping. Yeah, I didn't do much until maybe I was a teenager and then maybe I would go with like a friend might have they would be camping somewhere or you know, parts of like day camp. I went to day camp. That's not really camping.'s not campingamp That's just like outdoor babysitting, right for young people during summer vacation. But you know, I got to do a little bit. I mean, that being said, now, I own a trailer and we were there, of course, camping with you And I'm firmly firmly entrenched in the whole fishing, camping boating thing. I think if you take a kid and you deny them a lot of stuff, in a lot of cases, they will actually take those things up when they get older because they feel like they're missing out. So ye there we go. That's my sad story What about you turn I also didn't camp very much as a kid, notot because my dad didn't want to, but because my mother didn't want to. Chris's mom and my mom are very similar in their proclivities. But I started camping more once I was jeez, I guess outut of college even. L that was the first time I really even did later. Yeah, and I did it with my friend Elliott and we would go camping places just because we lik hiking and going you know, fun outdoorsy spots and I still enjoy it. H. But I haven't gone in a while because there's no one who lives near me who likes to campps and I don't don't we don't do it for ourselves Oregon's got some of like best camping in the United States of America. Yeah, I know. There's lots of outdoorsy stuff here. so it's disappointing. I don't camp as I'd like to. I would definitely do it. I don't mind sleeping on the ground does Andy like sleeping on the ground? She does not. She does not. So that might be an issue too. That' fact. Yeah. I mean And also I mean, car camping is pretty luxurious camping too. That's what we typically do. And it's like even that's not now. And also my dog hates fire Oh wow. He doesn't enjoy He doesn't enjoy the campfire. All of your life partners are getting in your way here, Jaon. I know. So I was thinking maybe at some point me and Elliot, we would go camping just us again, even though he's got a wife and two kids now, so he can't get away very often, but I'm gonna see if I can make him do it. We can go camping by ourselves again Like we were kids M Doid the British camp or do they just colonize?ike Do they just cheat someone else? Wow. We had them on chores and camp. It is very different actually, because camping for me in the UK it just reminds me of music festivals. When I was a teenager in my twenties, you know you go I haven't actually been to Glastonbury Festival, which is the famous one, but I've been to lots of others like Leeds and Reading Festival And it's a very different experience. you know, it's not out in nature. You wake up and it's already twenty five, thirty degrees, but you went to sleep freezing so you've actually got a lot layers on. So you wake up and you're completely dehydrated, you know,'s probably a few beer cans knocking around So yeah, it's not that that wholesome experience that I would like to experience, you? Don't don't don't in the UK, don't you call it caravan? Isn't that sort of the term? Like when you go up to the highlands or something and you and you sleep in a trailer Well, that's a little different now because I guess in the US and Canada, you might call that a motor homeome we have static caravans in the UK. So they're like caravan parks. So you can just rock up, rent a caravan. I actually did this when I was a kid. I went to North Wales, a very beautiful spot called Angle State And we'd rent a caravan for the weekend. and yeah, it's lovely, you know, but it's I don't know, it's families and young kids and that kind of thing. It's not really for me right now. Yeah. Jordan I was not into it at all. My parents were, they often say that we went camping once when we were children and we didn't make it through the one night. It went poorly for us. justust rained out Everything was awful. But then I married into a camping family. So that's been a struggle for me because it's not my natural state of being, but my wife has elevated everything into a full state of glamping at this point. Uh So yeah, we like sleep on proper mattresses, all that kind of stuff. And I was kind of ambivalent about it until we had kids. and now I'm just like, oh, this is great. like have a good time. ry you can really put all all the bells and whistles on it. Oh totally Yeah'amping, right Yeah, you just put like some pocket like the lithium batteries and everything like that. You've got all the comforts of home But you can still smell like a campfire, which is the end goal. So I'm making it work. There will be further, but I am going to do my longest tent trip ever coming up shortly. So we'll see where ten days We camping for ten days. See, that's where a trailer comes in really nicely. Yeah That's going to be That's not glamping anymore updates to fall That's gonna be Glastonbury basically Yes. hopefully We got we got a great show. There's a lot to talk about. We got a lot of viewer responses we have to talk about. I am apparently having a baby with some stranger. so wow, that'll be funine. you're going to want to You're going to want to stick on the. So let's get to it Guys, I talk about pedapixel memberships A lot Yes you do. The reason being is publishing is not only extremely difficult, but it is also expensive And to do it with people who write those words and don't use AI to do it We take we value that very highly. 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So over the last Six to eight months We've been adding perk after perk after perk And now I've been percolating And I feel like at this point We have a seriously excellent membership program that not only helps us continue to pay excellent editors like Matt here bring news to you on a daily basis to help keep Chris and Jordan employed and able to keep giving you excellent entertaining reviews. and I type I type with these three fingers on each hand endlessly, endlessly for the petapixel. com channel. And I want to be able to buy my Coke zero stillill so I need some money. Okay, well, yes, just a little bit. So what we did is we partnered with some excellent companies to help bring more perks to you. So the ones that you may be aware of, you get five percent off all of your pre owned camera gear orders from kEH dot comot I know I have to specifically say pre own camera because they do sell brand new film and they do also sell brand new cameras. 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I know. wild. was like I was like, what is this? nineteen eighty six? It was a time machine to a better time. They actually have a drum scanner. so that's what they're using, which is reallyally nice. tenen percent off all their lab services so that's film development That's film scanning and that's printing. all of it, ten percent off flat Unlimited And then the last one is you can get an app for managed for planning your photo in any weather called Atmos, you get thirty three percent off an annual subscription to Atmos So there they go. That's total perks, one of those perks is just supporting us. But the other seven perks are legitimately perks And we would really appreciate it. if you're not already a member, consider joining because at this point, you're losing money legitimately losing money a All right That's the that's the plug. Let's get into the news. Top story of the week Matt you wrote this. Adobe has acquired or is in the process of acquiring AI upscaling company, Topeaz labs was that That was my head exploding. This was very unexpected. Yeah I thought it would make more of a popping sound, honestly. I've imagined your head exploding many, many times and I figured it would make like a Yeah, like I don't know, more of a pop, more of a compressed anyways. Well you it could also be the sound of you like grunting as you explode my head with physical force. So using psychic. Sry, whereere where we guys? So both both companies have agreed to the acquisition slash be acquired. But we haven't gotten a value. We will get a value because Adobe is publicly traded. They will have to release some information somewhere about how much they spent on this. They may not say directly. It may be hidden in some lines of but we eventually find out U This is a pretty big deal because Topaz labs was considered N not an alternative, but at least just somewhere you can go that's not Adobe. Adobe had been integrating Topaz's technology into some of its in Photoshop tools lately, like along with their efforts to allow you to put really any U I tool into Adobe. you can now do some others like TPaz But like integrate them in as plugins. Yes. No. Oh, it was actually in the software. So I don't own because I've installed nothing. in Adobe Cameraa the prompt do you want to denoise with Topaz? I see. So I so T has nothing and they so this was already sort of integrated and I'm guessing they saw enough of a return that they felt like they should just buy Topaz There you go Very interesting out of Dallas, Texas, the Alberta of the United States of America I mean, Topaz is one of these companies is quite interesting because I know many photographers that use them. You know there's always this peripheral software and people like, o, I use lightightroom and then to use anything else Most people, it's like, no or some very secure thing, but a lot of people you here use Topaz to denoise. And this is especially I would say even more prevalent a few years ago when deenoising and uprising was still kind of in its infancy like quite a few years ago and adbe people were using T. Yeah, Adobe was bad at it. And so people like, Yeahah, I always go back and I run it through toaz. and that's really how they they built their name and their reputation and they have a very solid reputation for the quality they put out. And it's interesting now because everybody's kind of caught up to some degree, but Maybe it was always there And they're good at upsaling as well Bs Yeahah What did Jeremy say in our meeting, Matt the morning when this happened, he' like, Oh yeah, I used to like to a pass back. but before they used AI, I feel like it was better. the DNoise was better before they integrated AI, which is I haven't used it before but that. Well the shareholders wanted to hear AI, so they had to implement it. I do think it's interesting because this is largely before you get to the proper editing process. like you're getting an optimized image before you get to work on it. So I can see why Adobe would want to like handle all ends of image, you know, right from the initial prep I don't hear about a ton of people using editing tools of TopPaz. It's really like, look, I run it through. They're deenoising, they're upscaling kind of stuff and then I get to work in Adobe or whatever else you want to use. So yeah. I mean Clearly there's a relationship there And Adobe just wants to have everything because that's late stage capitalism. It's in a battle with Canva, the domination of the market, right? And it needs every single weapon it can get its hands on Right. And A' internal development has not been as leaps and bounds better over the years as it used to be So as that company has not done as great a job innovating internally The other option is to acquly a C if I'm not mistaken, I mean, they've kind of been sharing is the wrong term. I'm sure there's licensing agreements. They've beenicens they're licensing their technology to other outfits as well, right? haven't they I don't know. I would thought It would not shock me if that was the case, but I don't know I can't say. Pretty sure they have. But yeah, anyways, so I wonder if that's all going get shut down or if that's still gonna I mean, I wonder how many, we didn't know that Adobe was using Topazed in deegradated fashion, right? So I'm sure we're gonna to see changes I mean that sounds like a license It sounds like Adbe licensed it. And and now they're just like, well why do we keep licensing it? Wasn't Higgsfield? what's Higgsfield AI or something did something like that Jeremy wrote something about it anyways Anyways, I think a lot of people are using upscaling from them. Sam Yong's Schneider Kreichchnach Bay Hagnock Lens Trinity, F two point eight holy Trinity of their own, is complete. with the announcement of the full frame Autofocus sixty to one hundred and eighty millimeter F two point eight telephoto Zoom. It's so small Yeah. Yeah. I mean under seven hundred grams for Telephoto, telepoinate Zoom. And we used to The standard was always like, oh, yeah, it's around a knched. you know, it's like two kilos if you want a seventy to two hundred or something like that. And it's just been getting smaller and small like I remember the Sony seventy to two G master Th Tamaron with the seventy to one hundred eighty like they're getting really, really small. like that's less weight than an old standard Zoom used to be to get into like telephoto portrait, event work kind of range. So I hope it's good, but traveling. This thing and it's not that expensive, like it really makes a strong argument for itself. Chris, you've already reviewed the other two lenses in this Trinity fourteen to twenty four to eight and the twenty four to sixty to eight I recall you being kind of meth on the fourteenth to twenty four. I don't remember your thoughts on the twenty four to sixt Yeah, I was going to say like, I mean, they're fine. They're good lenses, but they didn't blow me away.. And so that's kind of interesting. So when I saw that this was coming out now, they've got this sixty to one hundred eighty, I was like, o, okay, like, you know I'm happy to try it out and see. Telephotos typically tend to be quite consistent. You know, I would argue that it's harder to make a twenty four to sixty is certainly like a fourteen twenty four, like better optically because it's such a push of the envelope, whereas telephoto maybe tends to be a bit straight more straightforward But yeah, like it's seven hundred and thirty grams. That's not bad. you know, it's a little bit lighter than what you would get out of like Sony. It's very similar to what Tamron would make with theirs. So a little bit lighter than the Tamron. but There're always useful lenses. I'm happy to try it out. We'll see how it goes Yeah we're big fans of the seventy to one hundred and eighty, so an alternative to that would be very interesteresting to me So you guys don't mind losing twenty millimeters on the long end and gaining ten For the size difference, think I think it's a worthwhile different doesn'tatter. I assume this won't accept teleconverters. That seems to be a very common trade off with these new compact telephoto lenses I didn't see anything there in the press release regarding that, but but still yeah, for portrait work, things like that I don't think the twenty millimeters is going to make a big difference and the portability is really impressive I mean, look, it's neat to see a lot more third party companies now making auto focusing options and Zooms, you know, getting away from primes and stuff like that. And it seems like a lot of these third party companies have had that kind of journey where they all started making manual focus primes that you know were affordable and did weird stuff like you know, Astral and ultrawide that other companies didn't necessarily want to do at that price point I think we saw a lot of companies like TT Artisans do that and Viltrx do that and Lawa do that as well. And so now we're seeing this evolution now where these companies are now making auto fooccus what I would argue are like general purpose lenses, right? directly competing with not only the original manufacturers, but also companies like Sigma and Tamron. So For the consumer, you're just getting more and more options and we will endeavor to try to give you as much information as possible. when we it's a good word. I like those words. We will endeavor to give as much information as possible so that you can make an informed decision given that there's so many choices nowadays. Matt, do you have a lens in this range I have the sixteen to thirty five for my cannon U so No, I guess I not them tell I think No, don't I don't have a tell you. know, I've been twin with buying the canon one hundred to four hundred because it's And it looks lovely and light and It just really it's been a long time since I had a seventy to two hundred And I think I would like a long lens again just to shoot. So I'm in the market So, you know A you develop But you're also at. Yeah, you're in Canon. so your options are limited Well, yeah, that's a problem, right. problem. Well, this next one you've got opinions on. So as a bit of a precursor, I'm not going to talk about everything that Lka announced last week for a couple of reasons. One, we're going to talk about Laka here in a little bit with Matt about his experience there In addition to the SL three P SL SL three right? Yeah, SL three P. We also got two new lenses. One of them After closer inspection looks really similar to a lens that already exists that might be a rehouse. I don't know for sure But the lens formula of the one hundred F two eight is Real similar and by that I mean identical to sigmas one hundred and five two eight So I was originally excited because I really liked the idea of them bringing back that Amount lens because that's how they've marketed it. might not be an armount. It's not what I thought it was. But what there is is a fifty millimeter F one point four and this is unique. We were unable to find any lens that looks like this. and the thing that's special is that they happen to make the most compact fifty millimeter F one point four across all mirrorless autofocus mounts So likea isn't known for making things compact. M not an L mount. right likeike the M mount out of necessity because you can't block that little viewfinder there. But they don't really try and make their cameras and lenses small for SL. No, L they've all their argument has always been like we don't have to make them small, so we'll make them as good optically. And then yeah, this seems like a real about turn. But Matt shot this lens a lot more than I did, right, Matt I kind of fell in love with that lens, I'm being completely honest. It's funny you talk about the dimensions because I thought it looked absolutely fantastic on the SL threepe. It was a dream to shoot. the I mean I'm real su good for it wide open fifty mill and that I just kept shooting F one point four because it was as we'll get to The camera was nailing the focus, but it was Yeah, was liberally. I mean, I yeah, I can't say enough nice things about it really. Jordan, you shot it as well, didnid't you when the the coach did. Yeah I got to shoot a little bit of photography. We did some panning tests, and we just walked a little bit around Betzler together. I love the out of focus look. It's not like clinically perfect. It is very swizzly. like there's a lot of cat's eye and this lens wide open. Okay But the actual bouquet itself is really clean, the specular highlights on it. It has a really lovely again, like kind of a character lens. U, it's also Creezy expensive. So this might be my only chance to play with it, but I did truly love the images off of it. and it's nice to see a lens that's like has a unique look. Like I do feel like when Matt's photos when they arrived from it, I could immediately tell like, oh, yeah, that's the fifty one four as opposed to some of the other glass in the collection. So yeah, it has a real appeal and a real aesthetic. You mentioned the price uh the I think that's another thing that' stood out to me, because that one hundred millimeter F two eight is twenty thousand seven hundred dollars But The L a fifty one four forty thousand nine fifty So it's like, One of them says we made this here in Germany and the other one says this was made in Japan and for us So yeah and I think that's the other thing too is I think this one is made in Germany. So this is a Lica original, which is very cool And I would like us to try and get like a like us to get one of these for a full review They don't have any yet and I don't even know if BNH is not showing an actual pre order date availability yet either. So we don't know when this is actually going to become available, but when it does It's high on the list of things for us to take a look at, especially in Elmount where the only other really great there's two other great fifties, right? There's one from Panasonic. Yeah, the Panasonic is a big lens, but it has a focus clutch. It's a wonderful lens. And then the Sigma one four, which is just technically spectacular. different look than this Yeah, so there we go Moving on This is another Matt Groot story. California has announced plans to stop people from taking a very iconic photo of Big Sir's Bixby Bridge. Boy, that is a thumb. There's a specific little spot. It's not really a turnout. what's kind of. It's a small section off the road that gives you a great view of the Bixby Bridge, the ocean and the mountains there in Big Sir And they are saying that this is becoming too popular and that it is causing traffic problems Matt why don't you finish the story? because you wrote this Um Basically, there are local reports of big tailbacks, stationary traffic because there are multiple people Probably more tourists than locals they're stopping. they're pulling over on the side of the road. Where there is no parking, apparently there was twelve parking spaces. But they closeed that off in the hope that traffic would keep moving, but obviously that didn't work. People are just going to find somewhere else to pull over and take a photo of this beautiful bridge And yeah, I mean, they're saying that it's it's dangerous. It's in a particularly remote part of Big sir. so They're going to erect these these no parking signs whether it's enforceable or not I mean, I'm not really sure because you know, people are very photo hungry. they want it for the holiday photo album Jaron, you have been to Bixby Bridge? Have you been one of those people who pulled over to take a photo and inadvertently cause some traffic No, because when I went, there was never anyone there So this is like You doing it before it was cool Well, I knew about it, but it wasn't like a social media must have photo. I remember going out there, I've tested lenses out here were back when I was at multiple times back when I was at imaging resource. So like this is like I need a this is a wide angle I need a lscape photo. All right, I' go get a landscape photo. because I hate taking bad photos for reviews. like I kind of want to try and get a good picture. So I remember one of the last the last time I was out here was with my dad And in this picture in the lead of your article, there's you can see the other side of the bridge, not where the iconic photo spot is, but there's like another section across the bridge from it. I pulled over with my dad there and we were actually shooting some rocks in the ocean because I had a telephoto So we were up top looking down and I remember it was windy and cold Yeah my w. It looks absolutely beautiful for sure. I don' understand. Can understand why? Have you shot it, Chris Yeah, my wife and I traveled through and that was probably about thirteen years ago and we I shot that. And I remember looking up spots like big sururf course, beautiful. I want to get nice photos. I saw that photo. but it was not it was like not on like a reels or Instagram or anything. This was on like a website, like, you know, which was getting very rare at the time, so that's how you'd find that out And I did the two stops and I don't know if the other one's open. So technically, there's the parking lot. We parked there, we shot, you're quite close to the bridge when you do that. and you can kind of go down into the hill a little bit and you can shoot up into the bridge and you're like right near all the beams and stuff There's further further I guess before that, if you're going south, before that turnoff, on the bend, there's a private piece of land. It's like this little spit of land. it's very small. It wasn't really fenced off or anything like that. There was no signs, but you could pull in there and there was like a broken down foundation for a very small home or shed. and it's like all full of like graffiti and stuff and whatever. So kids would like go hang out there and drinkins sure And there's a viewpoint off those cliffs. That's the more iconic where you can see the bridge with the hills beside it. Anyways, yeah, it was beautiful. It was great. I loved it. And honestly, when we drove through there, there was nobody else there. There's maybe two other people parked under the bridge area. There's nobody at the drinking spot. So the making babies spot, I assume. And so yeah, we had that whole place to ourself. We did not make a baby there, but we did get some really nice photos. Yeah, I will say that this area has used to be before like you know, social media says, you have to take a picture everywhere. Like people would definitely know of the spot, but it wouldn't get crowded. L have maybe two other photographers there with you who were interested in it, but it was not like there was no lineup. So it was never a problem. I was actually sort of surprised to hear this is causing problems and then I thought about some more and I guess I'm not that surprised Meta should pay for a parking lot because their app is the problem here. These are all people taking Instagram reels and photos. so ye The thing is this whole area is an erosion risk. Um, like did this Chunks of this road this bridge is attached to have been in and out of service for years. In fact, there was it's farther down this it's farther south than this was where there was actually major landslides that took out the road for years. They've only been recently fixed. I think Yeah, I think I think one of the reports I read mentioned that the whole entire section has only recently been reopened after work So it's kind of a new phenomenon. Also it is summer as well, so it will be particularly swarming with tourists right now, but it's still a long way to go. so I guess it's just going to get worse for locals U Allright. Moving right along Nikon did something that it has never doneone before Released. the wireless free. Nikon Z sixix, three on B and H what it has done before is release cameras without any wireless connectivity and sold them specifically to like government contractors or businesses U directly. So it has made these before, but what it hasn't done is made them available through a retailer And what we heard was apparently there were enough demand through the retailers to make a few of these available so that you didn't have to go through Nikon special orders to do it This camera. is more expensive than the one that comes with wireless. Yeah, I mean, the first thought, of course, is always like, oh, so that means you get like a more affordable option. That's why like people might be clamoring for it. No, that's the opposite Um, Wh why would whyy would people want something like this then? I mean, there may be requests in specific like work sites, things like that. like we don'tort anything that can se or receive a signal in there. I don't think that's unprecedented, which is why they're doing it you know, commercially. whyy would I guess my question so I mean, I understand, yeah, like there's certain situations where you don't w want to have GPS available or any sort of trackable wireless connectivity or anything like that where it'll interfere with other systems that are in the area. But why would like, you know air quotes like the common person want The hps. Js Does it make the battery last a little bit longer Well, you can disable it. You can turn them turn off T turn the wire offight. Okay. So now, I mean doesn't. I guess some people the analog experience. sayay you're astoid photographer or landscape photographer. you're in a remote place. You just want to be one with nature. You don't want to be looking at Bluetooth or wireless maybe I mean I'm spitballing ideas. What I really want to know is who they were they making those cameras for in the first place, right? Like it must have been military, someomeone who government want show up on the on a on on a Bluetooth list or nteresting say about NessA because the Z nine which is what the model they send up into space to see whether that still has the Bluetooth and WiFi and it does. Oh Yeah it does So those are a different special edition camera. So they're different special edition So they change the firmware on those to boost no the deen noising on so it still works on faster shutter speeds because of the cosmetic radiation in space. They also change the FTP protocol so it's a bit simpler Um, But yeah, it's it it's it's not NASA. It's not they still have Bluetooth and wireless there because I think they will still occasionally use that to transmit photos. so makes sense Yeah. I don't know. it's it's bit of a mystery, isn't it Well, I think when we did our documentary with Blair Bunting, he had a modified icon S seven two, I want to say And I believe that was part of the firmware was removing communication protocols on it if I remember correctly. That I could see when you're in an airplane and you have to have directoryion with Yeah If you can't yeah, that's probably the perfect example of where you can need it. But yeah, there you go. I mean, obviously this means if somebody has it, they're not going to be able to use at the apps, you know, know there's no connection to your phone, no remote shooting, that kind of stuff. Hey, man, to each their own. if there was demand, then gu I guess there was demand. Tom and Trp used Snap Bridge eight years ago and they were like I don't want a wireless connected icon. I don't even want that matter what. It's gonna be better now But yeah, it was a rough stretch there for a while So top comment, further evidence that the demands for I want a camera that doesn't do video because it will be cheaper are Oh God Yeah, pay four hundred dollars more for this We've hit this up endless times. Why is this camera more expensive? Because less people are going to buy it. If you have a camera, it doesn't shoot video, less people are going to want to buy it because some people shoot video, it will make it more expensive for you Please stop demanding this as a way to drop the prices of cameras. It will not work because a lot of people use them as hybrid devices like the four of us in littleittle squares on the internet right now. Stop it Basic supply and demand Gods announced its very first camera. Yes. Goodoockx is a camera manufacturer now. But Chris, Tell me What's special about this Godox C one hundred So what's special about this Godoc C one hundred is it looks like a I don't know, CO detector. It's like, you know So This is the first thing that appealed to me. o, no, I'm going to go even further back. So Jarren absolutely sends me all sorts of terrible e waste products all the time just messaging me like, hey, Chris, I'm gonna make you review this. ha haa And it's like awful garbage stuff. And so my normal reaction is like please don't do this. I don't want to play with this. This is garbage. This is not going to bring me creative joy. please know So then he sent me this from Gododox the C one hundred and he's like, yeah, so what do you want to do with this? I'm assuming no, right? And I was like, actually, that looks fun. I would totally shoot that. And he was he was taken aback al Jeordan says that I broke him, but Yeses Th these are like just Whatever I'll take it. All right, so for those only listening, what Chris is describing is it's about the size of one and a half credit cards It's the thickness of credit tenentimeter. It's pretty thin. like Yeah. it has half of it is just a plastic block. The top half is a transparent screen that has very little information on it. It'll show you the battery life, what mode you're in, your current frame because you can change the frames on this. Your shutter spepeed, ISO and aperture, I'm assuming the aperture can't change and your battery life. What this does is it's displaying this through this transparent screen that is fifty percent light transmission. so you do lose a little bit of light when you're looking through it because becausecause it's a LCD display right. It's a display squeezed between two transparent panels And you take pictures with a button in the middle. based on what you're looking through in this little square. And you have no idea what the picture looks like The only way to do that is to plug this into a smartphone or a computer later. This is not the first example of this we've ever seen earlier this year at CP plus Sarah and I saw the Asscura booth And Ascira had this basic idea, this exact same thing, except theirs didn't have any type of way to adjust what the transparent screen showed. It was essentially these black lines were drawn. printed graphically on the little screen. And so that was all you had This raises that up a little bit and actually adds some technology into it and makes it more responsive to your active shooting. That's the only real difference. The concept is the same. It's basically look, I mean in practice, why I wanted to play with it is because it looks like an interesting shooting experience. I've never really shot this way before. You know, and it's very small, very compact and it's like super basic. I'm sure I'll hate the photos out of it. This thing only costs like thirty bucks ninearsch. It's half a megabyte, is it? the file size? So yes, depending on the size of the frame, it also depend on how much color or no color is in it. this does affect how much noiseile Yeah. it's somewhere between three hundred and twenty and five hundred and seventy kilobytes. They didn't give us an actual megapixel resolution for this. It probably be awful. It'll probably be awful. But Godox is a big name and to put their name behind a camera product is interesting. So that's partly why I want to play with it You know, where's the appeal? I don't know. like There's no difference between using a pointint sh camera with like a viewfinder that you bring up to your eye and look through This is the same idea, but it's a window that you hold at arm's length and you compose that way, right It's going to be different from a spatial awareness kind of standpoint. It's going to definitely look very different. I mean, it looks like you're basically holding up No, like A flash card with a window cut out of it. Yeah like a gay look Yeah, it's like, I mean, the window's large. So like the window's like basically half the camera size, right? And you're just pinching this and holding taking photos, but I don't know. it looks like a medical device to me. It's so strange. So I want to play with it because it's so strange. Yeah I'll probably hate it. We'll get a lot of questions on the street when you're shooting whichich I think is almost part of the appeal of this is like, what is that really But it doesn't look like a camera. Yeah. It doesn't look like a camera Well make c's You know what? it's doneb. We'll see So review cancellled It wouldd be good for street photraphy if people don't know it's camera. It could be ultimate creeper camera if that's the way you like to shoot. I don't really like to shoot that way, but yeah, I did think that. This is easily the most popular story of the week, if not for the past couple of weeks on Petapixel. What I'm noticing from a lot of comments is Folks will say, I can't imagine ever wanting this. Why would anyone want this? What's the point of this? And my response to that is, I don't know, probably because it's fun Some of the people who comment on this website and on YouTube, and everywhere are just they lack whimsy. You lack any sense of joy in your heart. You are a cold broken person. that just can't imagine but please get a membership No look, I guarantee like I mean, I don't have a ton of whimsy either, but I guarantee I'm gonna to probably hate this camera The idea of it is silly and interesting enough that I'm shoot it. It's so cheap that it's not a particular it's not a huge reach T decide to try it. But make no mistake. I will probably hate it because I'm assuming it's got a fixed rechargeable battery and the photos is probably gonna to be trash and people will hate it. charge it'll die. is my at least. My guess is this is this is twenty nine dollars equivalent if you're in China. My guess is when it becomes stateside, it'll be closer to forty forty to forty fivears. which is still Not insane But not thirty dollars.'s rais roable Yeah it's still reason. But we're going to play with it U What story guysys, it's finally started. A legacy survey of space and time has begun The three thousand two hundred megapixel camera that we've now seen twice, once when it was in Stanford and once when it was installed in the VRC Ruben Observatory in Chile has begun its ten year mission Make a time lapse of the universe and it will be taking U seven hundred, three thousand two hundred megapixel photos Every night ten straight years. Isn't that cool It is cool. And you should definitely check out the video if you haven't seen it already. we explain ye, we explain quite fully the concept, the idea, the science, like it's a really neat project. But effectively, you're looking at like a ten year long time lapse of the entire southern sky. They'll be able to identify moving objects, find new planets, spot asteroids It It's going to be really, really cool. I I thought it they'd started already. So what they were doing was is they were they opened up the Observatory for science as it was being prepared for this. But now it its mission starts.. It's not open for that anymore. It's doing it more fun games. It's it's it's started. This is what its job is. Are they looking for signs of life Of course. that was on I think they said that they were hoping they were going to find. They're looking for a lot actually you're taking that out of the that was cut out of the episode, but they did specifically mention that as part of the task for this The idea being that you're going if you take this time lapse, and it's amazing how fast this thing moves because you know, to shoot that many photos every single night, you're basically scanning the entire Southern sky. you got to be able to move fast and take a lot of photos and then they still have to be really, really good quality. But yeah, I guess the idea is that you're going to see over this span of time movement and changes and variations You know, you'll see stars being born, hopefully and some dying. like, you know, it's all kind of this this really you got to consider it as taking it over this period of time and taking the same shots over that period of time. that hasn't really been done beforeight. It's like tapestry, isn't it? It's like an old school tapestry Tell totalallyory It's gonna to besolute so cool. This whole project is neat technology is neat But The one thing I'm thinking about right now because you mentioned that it's got to move quick They told us that it was possible for one person to spin the actual like head because it's gased so well They didn't let us do it, but they said it was possible one Like thousands of tons, but it's like it's on like a layer of oil. So it's floating basically on this layer of oil. So yeah, it has almost no friction. It's pretty cool. Yeah. suuper, super neat. cool. Well it's a lotent on Hey's one It's a lot of editing for someone Well, yeah. ye. the cool thing too is it's like they've got a whole custom made I guess pathway for all of this information to go from South America like under the ocean up into North America. they played for thaton It's wild. Yeahah. So they got the old f out. They can't store loally all of this. they said one day they could store locally. It was a very short amount of time. Yeah it was a little Terabytes of data a night or something like that. And I think they could hold about two weeks something like that. It's in the video. It's been a while. We have a lot of numbers in our heads guys. If we don't remember the exact number out you just check it out. The link in the description below to both those videos there are in the articles Prefacing this, the story we want to talk about here, why Matt is here Many of you this idea And you're not I don't blame you for this these press trips or press junkets as some call them are vacations Esentially you go out there, you are treated as kings for however many dames it is And you're just relaxing the whole time and they are buttering you up And then you just go and you write your article and you make your video and every and they feel like they've won, they've bought you. got you That's how it works Uh, that I would like you ' it's been so long since Chris Jordan and I have ever been on our first one. so I don't actually remember too strongly. the sheer exhaustion that I had the first time I went on one of these, but I'd like you tellell the listeners What a press junket is really like Well, I first just want to say I was actually one of those people because You know, I think it U, you know, I was sat here wororking day after day on the pet Pixel news desk Jar and Chris and Jordan are off on another exotic press trip And I'm just there grumbling into my cup of tea, Thank I love it. You know, they're having a great time in the sunshine I don We're just text any pictures of the drinks that we're holding at poolide to Matt the whole time Tends I was wrong. because so a few weeks back me in Jordan, we were in Germany and we were at the Licka factory and it was inccredibly tough. likeike it was the toughest week of work that I've had in a long time because it's It's just non stop and and He's you know I've watched a lot of pet pixel YouTube videos and it was like sort of breaking the fourth wall. All of a sudden, I was inside of one and I was seeing just how much work goes into it. I was seeing you know, Jordan sort of just come up with it all because we didn't even know why we were there initially. and Jordan just comes up with it all Uh just on the spot, you know, he's thinking about what he's going to say and we have literally got It's just a matter of hours to putap together this video. And you have to your brain has to work so fast because you have to to put all your thought into a succinct speech. and Yeah it was, I mean We were there for what, three or four days and I I think I had like a three day recovery Like I remember waking up in the hotel Oh yeah, the day of my flight back. and I couldn't even move. It was it was, you know, it was I mean, we were tasting Japanese whiskey with Richard Butler and Chelsea North that Did that yeah, that last night Yeah that's true. It got a little bit heavy. That was nice. but But But ye it was, you know, I guess I've just grown soft, you know, sitting here on the news desk just, you know, helping myself to cups of tea and whatnot as much as I want. But yeah, it's it was it it was really, really tough going. And you know, anyone out there thinks that they're just having a golly is absolutely not true So I wanted to touch on like there's different types of these events, and you actually came for one of the most difficult ones, which like you said, is where you don't know what the product is going to be. and not only are you trying to put a video together, but you're trying to form an opinion in real time. And we've had some of those issues where it's like Your opinion kind of shifts over the course of using a product for a little while. So it's like, is the stuff we recorded earlier still going to match and be useful after you've spent more time with it? So you really are kind of and you shot a lot. likeike that's something I really appreciated having you there, Matt is we shot a lot of different subjects, things like that And I could almost feel like your comfort with the camera and opinion shifting as we were doing it. So it's like, how much do we save for the last day how much do we get done early on in it? You know, there's a lot of decision making like that that is gonna to be hopefully invisible to the viewer. That's our goal. but it's definitely a process when you're there. where sometimes we get the product before you leave on the event and it's more like, here's an opportunity for us to really shoot it in some cool locations and things like that, but we have a pretty good idea of our perspective on it already. Yeah, so do For different cameras, you get different lengths of time Yeah There's lots of different situations. I mean, we have to remember that sometimes the camera is, you know, as we've talking about going to be announced at the event. That's always a mad scramble, right? And because that implies then that the embargoes up. So it's like cameraas announced. you guys have it there. and now it's kind of a race. No I don't want to say a race, but you want to get these things out as quick as possible. Well they were doing all We had that exact thing happen. We were the exact same time Chris and I were in Osaka doing the Lumix LX ten or L ten L L tenX. And that's what happened. They effectively told us, here's the product and in Eight hours embargo lifts. Good luck. Yeah And Chris and I made the choice to be like, yeah, we're not hitting that bargo. We're going do full review and we're going to take a couple of days. Yeah So you know there are different challenges when you do these different precedents. So sometimes we'll have the camera yet, we'll have an idea U And it is going to be different for every different outfit. Everybody outfit, everybody's going have different approaches. You know, I think Jordan and I we always got into a sort of very industrious mindset when we did pres events from the very beginning for TCS I think part of that was we had a real sort of I think you'd agree with the story that we had a very sort of kind of ethical concept of theyve they've paid the money to fly us out there. We should work our hardest. to make use to that. You know, Jordan and I never wanted it to ever be like a vacation. and we didn't want our viewers to think that we were on some amazing vacation doing that. You know, There's only one that we can really talk of that was a vacation straight up. But But we'll talk about it. but really like our mindset, I think I think we've already proven over the years, like Joe and I work very hard. We're very industrious. We want to get stuff out. And on these events, I mean, a lot of other creators like, wow, you guys, like you just don't stop, dude you? Likere you're out getting sample. We got to get talking points. 'cause like, yeah, we want to be able to do these things to the best of our ability for the viewer And we want to get that information as accurately as possible. This means like where there's so much to go over. But everybody's going to have a different approach to how they want to do it. Some people do take it a bit slower. They just kind of like get the information, go get some samples and then they go home later days later and they compile it all together. And I get that mindset. For Jordan and I, because we've always shot on location, that's our specialty, we want to shoot at that setting. We want to be in that environment and show the viewers like look at the beauty of this amazing new place that we're experiencing as well for the first time I think that's just really compelling to show and to watch as opposed to back in your office afterwards being like, okay, well, take my word for it. Osaka was great. Here's the samples, right? So there's different approaches there It's much harder to do we do with a single personure. Arguably impossible to do arrguably possible. Yeah There's no way that I feel anyone could have pulled that off what we did in Germany with just one person. It was It was just was just too much going on. I've got to say, I thought Geordge and I were working harder than anyone else on that press trip And we feel that way. that way. You were correct, you probably were because most teams you cannot do it. And they they tell us to our faces. I cannot believe how quickly you got that out. That's one of the things they'll say. I cannot believe how much you're working right now. I can't I can't believe you got so much done. I can't believe how much you've captured. That is a const thing we're hearing king that's our Yeahah, that's just how we do it. That's. That's how we've always done it. It's not. It's not better or worse than anyone else's thing. We do beat ourselves basically to death. but doing It's really cool because it feels almost live. I mean, I know, it's not but has that sort of energetic feeling to the videos, which I think is great for sure You know, the other thing too I want to address is like These events, so they do vary, as we've talked about the scope, what the intention is, like what they want you to do. Sometimes they're very structured. We're going here, then we're going here, then we're going here. That was actually kind of a point of contention early on becausecause of course, the event planners, they want you to have the best experience possible, right? They want you to have like all the opportunities U They want you to and they do legitimately want you to test the camera. and a lot of people could be cynical about that and be like,h, you know, but they're setting up models and professional lighting. Well In those situations where that's taking place, there are a lot of potential buyers that are going to use cameras in that situation. So why not see what that result is going to be like? And then over time, the event planners have maybe changed things and said, OkayK, let's do more free time. You just go explore on your own. And some events are very much like, we're going get you there're going do a briefing, go for it, right That was actually very much like the Panasonic L ten where there's like, do what you're gonna do. Yeah, we like that ' we can then build our own experience, but I don't mind the curated ones as well as long as we still have time to do our testing and whatever Make no mistake though. I mean, like look, the manufacturers are flying you out there. They're putting up in nice hotels, they're taking care of most of your meals, not all of them. They're not paying us on arariums or stipends. That's you know like you're still on your own dime, which is why we really appreciate the petapixel. com memberships. But they're getting you out to that location. And u They want you to have a good time and they do put us up usually very nice places and they do feed us well for the most part and stuff. And it's like, yeah, that is part of the experience. That makes sense But It is just such a work environment and it's such an intense experience. and you really, for me personally I don't see these as things where I can relax and be treated nicely and whatever and have a nice hotel room. I barely sleep on these things as Jordan Ketest. U I'm up at four in the morning. We're out on the streets and we're shooting. It's like For me, the beauty is I'm in a location I've never been. I do not want to take any more samples in Calgary than I have to because it's Calgary. and you guys have seen this for decades. If I'm in a location, as a creative person, I want to be out working in that new location. And like, yeah, you guys are shooting like racing cars and stuff. You don' How often do you get to go do that, right? That was so cool I'm actually a bit of a motor racing fanatic. So when they said that we werere going to the Nerberg ring, which is this iconic racing circuit Formuler one worldorld champion Matt V Stappen was going to be competing and it's actually it's a twenty four hour race as an endurance race I was just like overwhelmed. It was so cool Um no you know But at the same time I was what at the time we got to the circuit, you know, we got up at four o'clock in the morning to get there and I was I was on the cafe as much as I could fighting to stay awake. It was it was it was tough, but but you know, you know we are a totally independent organization. And, you know, they might be flying us out there, but everything that Jordan says is entirely his own opinion. You know, he and same with Chris, right Nothing is then they're not inluent, you know, they're not saying, oh you have to say this about the camera. you know, everything comes from you know toal truth. So I thought that was you know, as a kind of a fan, then being involved, it was pretty cool to see I you know, I think there's ' sorry, Joan ahead. One thing I wantan to point out is like you always get comments where it's like, o, this is clearly sponsored. It's like, didid any idea what a company expects from sponsored content. So like, Jordan's conclusion at that video would be unacceptable if it was paid for If a company pays for something, they only want good So they want you to have only a great experience and only express those great things. The It is baffling to me that someone would say Well it's clearly paid for. when at the end of it Jordan's essentially like, yeah, you're probably not a smart decision to buy this gam. Like that's never going to happen in sponsored content. Yeah. I mean, this brings us a good point. I want to talk about this because L is a good example of this One of the most valuable things about going on these trips and one of the things that I do very much appreciate. I would consider like a luxurious thing is when you get to go on these trips, you get to reconnect with a lot of the people that are in the same industry as you that you work with. So you become friends with a lot of these creators, right? I mean, there's too many of the list, but you've seen our collaboration stuff. like They become like a family and you get to hang out, you get to talk, you get to reconnect. That's wonderful. I love that aspect of it. And you also are there to make connections and build relationships with the people behind those brands, right? Not only the higher ups, but also the people that are, you know that are planning your trip and that are getting you set up and then the people that you know, providing you the gear all throughout the year, right? Like it's about forming these important relationships, building these reputations, you know All these camera companies know how we operate. They know what we will not allow them to do. mean like that's all very clear. It's never like this Uhanded thing of like, hey, guys, if you come blah, blah, blah and you say this, you know, we'll take you to this cool place. No, it's never it's never like that, notot even a little bit Not even a little bit. They do want you to have an interesting location and shoot some very cool events you would not otherwise easily be able to shoot because they want you to test the product. And I always look at that as not a bribe. It's a great way to test the product, right? You can push the product to see, will this autofocus with fast cars? You know can I use this in low light conditions? these They're planning these events. like you know, if we go birding, it's like, can this focus properly on these birds, right? L So I don't look at it cynically like that. and at the same time, you build these relationships with these people, you really get to know them, you get to know the team. It's important to have that support Germany iss a great example because Like has brought us out many, many times to review these products, and then throughout the year, they're giving us lots of products to review. And they know that our reviews are going to be completely impartial. They always are. And the SL three is a great example because when I reviewed the SL three, I was like This is a silly camera. Don't buy it. like it's expensive, it's overpriced. It's basically a rehouse panasonic. And I still do feel that way, but it's like it's not a great product from a practical standpoint, I don't think I personally wouldn't do it. That's my job. And a lot of people in comm like, well, you're never going to Germany again.ood, good job with that. And then of course, what do they do L loo and behold, they're bringing you guys out to play with the new camera because they're not looking to it's not. They've got people that they buy Yeah Absolutely Those people are bought, that's a completely different industry. but That's not what we do. orr when we do it, we explain very clearly that's what we're doing, right? So yeah, it's And that's a lot of work It's I do think it's important to call this out. There are other companies that will blend The two, the ones that they buy and media, they'll put them essentially in the same circumstances. And then there are other companies that will treat them completely different, have two completely different comps teams that manage them and these compM teams don't talk to each other. So they don't even know who the other person is managing And so there's a very specific instance that's happening right now. where you will see A weird NDA situation And a bunch of people who are sharing things that we haven't shared. And the reason that's happening is because those people part of the paid program And they clear things with the paid group and they are sponsored then there's the media isn't, which is us, and we don't have those same rights unless we really push to get something done. And it's very difficult because they don't want essentially, they don't want to not control the narrative at this point. They want everyone to think a certain thing until the review period So it's very frustrating for us when that happens. And that's happening right now. I'm not going to go into the I'm not going to call anyone out by name or call come down. But if you're looking around this thing I'm describing, you should know exactly what I'm talking about. And we're just as frustrated as you. You're like, why does this person have content out? And then you guys don't? Yeah, you know, there's lots of stuff there that we have to navigate around The industry has changed. I mean, we've always consider ourselves more journalists. You know, That's why we endeavor to get stuff out so quickly too, because we treat it like we're the news. You know what I mean? Like this is a new product. We want to show you the information to get out to you as soon as possible But yeah, like the world is shifting to spokespeople. That's always been there. It's not like a new thing, but like the world is shifting to spokespeople. We're not spokespeople in that way. We are media still we go on these events. And I really treasure that. And I hope you guys at home that watch it treasure that too, because we're few and far between now, and there's not many outfits that are like that anymore I get why people would also be cynical and confused because honestly, the lines are completely blurred and it is really hard to understand. and you're seeing content from many different people and we're not all on the same playing field we want to at least get that message out. But at the same time, like, yeah, these are great events. they can be fun. You get to see really exciting places. I'm super fortunate of the places I've been able to visit and photograph in. And so I do treasure that very highly. I just I don't I don't think we let it change how we're going to review a product. And I know it's easy to say, oh, there's confirmation b buias like It's just not how we've ever done it. We're kind of pigheaded that we just review products the way we've always reviewed them, regardless And that's just the way it is. And I will say honestly, it's none of any we don't we don't announce this to the public because it's frankly, not anyone's business, but we have had certain run ins with brands where there are hard times and there are like ah really was not the review we were hoping for. I like I don't just tell you. that wasn't we were hoping for. That's how we saw it. And they're like, Yeahah, you know, so yeah, is there tension in the background? A are the companies always happy with the way that we say things? No But that's our job At least as we see it This' a rubber feak behind the curtain, guys So yeah before we move off that, I do want to quickly throw I want to glaze Matt for a little bit for someone who had like jumped in without previous experience with this, onene thing a lot of people don't understand is the conflict of testing versus shooting And I remember a couple very specific times like when you were shooting actually an excellent model with a nice lighting situation. And I'm sure you just wanted to make good pictures and interact. And I'm like, hang on, no, the SL three really had a problem where it would foreground focus if you had a bright foreground. So we got to test that. So we're dragging out lights in the foreground and stuff like that. U And yeah, it's that constant balance of like, I want to take good pictures and exact same thing when we're shooting. Like you said, you're an automotive racing enthusiast and it's like, well, we got to test rolling shutder and, you know, all this. And I'm sure you're constantly, I find the same thing. I'm like, I'd love to just go shoot some pretty video right now, but I need to test blank, blank, blank and blank And that one was very unique as well because there were only a certain number of sideline passes So we were alternating throughout So you'd get like five minutes on and then flip over to another member of the press. So are you going to spend that time taking great photos or you're gonna get your testing done. And yeah, I gotta say, Matt handled that situation really well, but it's very difficult to make those decisions in the. It is very difficult, yeah. Yeah, it's a totally different way of shooting your ey because obviously to me as I've always been a photographer and I just want to take really prettyraz pictures, but you're absolutely right. You know they're saying, well, it shoots forty frames per second and It's got great ail focus and you have to put those things and those claims to the test. So yeah, I learned a lot and I apologize if I was just Be beautiful photos of the beautiful model, to apologize. Oh, dude, it's I mean, Jordan has to deal with that with me too all the time. I mean, it's like, yeah, creatively you just want to go do it you. And I mean, petapixels change that a little bit, which is great. N not even a little bit a lot, which is great because there's definitely more of an environment of let's use the cameras as an experience and talk about it that way and when which I feel has elevated my photography quite a bit in the last few years. Whereas, you know, if it's too technical, then yeah, you're not getting any samples that you're really proud of. Maybe you're getting ones that you're technically showing off. So yeah, there's a balancing act regardless. These events and especially the way we approach them are very stressful, It's a lot of work, it's very little sleep. there's not much dntime. Your downtime is then like, look at the content, look at the photos, what I've analyzed them. You start to build a timeline, you know, like plan out what you still have to cover, retest things, right? I'm going have to ask the executives this tomorrow because I'm not sure how this works still You know, there's a lot of that. So it's's it's fine. It's dynamic. It's it's a lot of work Suffice to say they are definitely not relaxation. There's nothing relaxing about it. I cannot think of one relaxing time except Thailand. U. Um Yeah, man it' but it's a lot of fun. And it's a really dynamic thing and you get to see a lot of the people that you love over the years. And so in that regard, I would not just I would say that's the luxurious part of it. U All right, if you guys have any follow up questions, I'm happy to hear them. We've had this conversation briefly in the past before, but I likek I just wanted the makeake sure the context of someone who'd never done it before is in there. because For what it's worth, the publher at pedapixel used to feel the same way Matt did. He's like, Why are these guys out going on vacations constantly? And then we sent him on one He has not said a thing since. So I should go to show you that yeah, oh, wait a minute, No, these are hard and these aren't very rarely fun. There are fun aspects But they're not you're not just out there Living it up Never No. All right, moving right along What have you been up to Jordan Okay, so I mentioned I only spent one night camping. Chris spent two. Well, there's a reason for that I went out with my buddy, Chris Mccki, who longtime viewers will know as the busker in the Nikon D seven thousand video. That's that's long ass take. My old guitar player, one of my older friends, we had a great time. We went out and saw Saint Paul and the Broken Bones, a really cool like throwback soul band at a brand new venue here in Calgary, the Spruce Meadows Um Ara something. I don't know, Equa something. It has it's a horse place. So it's horse themed concert venue. Dear God one of the best Top five shows I've ever been to awwesome time. And I used to see a lot of shows. So yeah, if this is recent memory, topop five shows doesn't mean much. When I was young, I was out a lot and if you have any vague interest in like, old school, funky, soulful throwback music. It's awesome. and my favorite thing about it is The lead singer sounds like everyone from that era except he looks like a slightly overweight accountant with a bit of a neck beard. So you see this guy walk out, you're like, this this is ain't gonna to be nothing. And voice they throw down amazing band greatreat venue. so great voice. Check them out if you haven't yet. Its That was a fabulous night Can you just I in a bit more about the whole thingene Do they have Gosco mules or what was You can actually Whatline theme do they have? So show jumping is huge here in Calgary because we have the Calgary Stampede, which is a big like western show. So Spruce Meadows is for are bets to go out with their horses U do show jumping, racing. They have some other stuff. They had cororgi races going on before the show. So I got to see the little dogs with small legs go really fast. It was great But yes, they've now put a concert venue into this. And they also do our soccer is all held there. So they use the horse jumping areas for our like It's like a semi professional soccer league. and those games are a lot of fun too. We've been to a few of them. I was able to squeeze two days of camping. It was wet, wasn't it? Jordan? lots of mosquitoes And then we went my wife and I went to a concert when we got back So we alsop yeah, it was great. us and a couple friends went out and we saw stars opened and then Broken social scene played set and then Metric, it was fantastic. So that was really cool. We had a good Canadian music time. Yeah, other than that, it's just been getting the trailer all ready for our ten day excursion allt together But yes, it's working okay. There's some leaks I gotta fix. That's super fun. L. If any of those Canadian artists cross the ocean, Matt, are those things you're aware of? Broken social pretty big. Yes. Broen I know there So I' I don't actually live in London. I live in the city of Birmingham, but I'm actually down here because I'm going to a couple of music gigs carrying on with that theme. So on Thursday I am going to a festival. Now I wonder if you've heard of any of these bands I'm going to go and see the Kaiser Chiefs Yes, Hehead of them? Yes. Yes. I predict a riot U I'm going to see Bement Jacks No, Got nothing. I'm going to see Roger Sanchez.'s he's like a he's like a European DJ Hooney Dijon, she's from America U and David Rodigan. he's like an he's like a DJ from Britain. So maybes just Kaiser Chiefs. The Chlan play as well Okay. ye. o Um And yeah and on Saturday I saw a few of my friends and we went to see a DJ in South London. His name is Gerd Jansen and he is from Germany He was great. So it was little German him. Yeah, Gir Danon. Yeah play he plays really happy funky music. It was brilliant. a great time. exxcept it was like thirty five degrees and I almost melted, but that it Googl and gir right U So in addition to swapping out the I've been using it since we started this podcast. This is the the venerable original ESR with its outstanding touchbar here on the back. Everyone loved the touch bar. Yeah. This had been my podcast camera forever, which is why occasionally the battery would die because back then you couldn't charge through USBC while it was actively shooting So I would have to have multiple batteries. I have swapped I'm now testing the EO R six V. It's sitting here with that that lens you guys tested the one with the twenty to fifty. twenty to fifty. Yes. guns. And yeah, I don't have to worry about the battery dying. And if I look slightly different, I should, I mean, I think I look a little bit better as far as like goes. The ten thousand eighty output should be a little better on that than The fan will still kick on occasionally, which I find to be quite odd Don't love that. It's not on right now, but it was on earlier. It's not the greatest sound And it's kind it's kind of loud. We'll see. And then the other thing is I had the audacity to write a story over the weekend. Oh I thought I was allowed You thought was good. Yeah, I thought we were allowed to just, you know throw things out there and enjoy ourselves. I wrote an article where I'm like, I think it's time for a panoramic camera from Fuifilm. I have made this statement before, like on this podcast and two Fujifilm's face at least three times And several dinners. Yeah. like I make it clear that this is something I want But apparently writing this article, how dare I want something? Wh Why would I want a specialized camera when I could take existing cameras and just, you know pretend You're attendive Is that one of the most commented stories this week, Jaon? Because I saw them starting to as soon as you posted it, I could see like the little the plus one and plus two in comments were engaged. All press is good, press, Jared. C fifty nine comments N sometimes we get over one hundred fifty nine' Yeah, good, but you know, whatever. But the nature item was not like Hey, fun idea, Jaron. Yeah like two people were the comments were like, cool. On threads, I got a lot more support. There you go. We gott to appreciate the support. There's always angry people on the internet, but you gotta just remember this people supporting you, those are the ones you gott to listen to. It's very easy to listen to the negative. I'm not giving up. I want this camera. I would be over I don't want the camera, but I'm happy that you want the camera I think it's ridiculous, but I'm happy for you. But there are cameras that are that exist out there that I don't want, that other people love. Let people like things. There you go All right, we're going to bring back a segment here we haven't had for a while. Never read to the comments. It's the segment where we make sure to read every comment. and as we re we read every comment. Jord, and I'd like you to take this one I noticed it and I tried to erase it from my memory immediately, but you wouldn't let that happen. I did the exact opposite. I saw it and within In twenty seconds it had been texted to both you and Chris. So Yes So I'm going to get close to the mic and I'm talking about like old school soul music. We're going go late night. We're going to go into the microphone here and this is gross. I don't like it This is a little message from our friend at Raty double X, only two X's. Chris I've been watching your video for decades, crying emoji. I'm not sure why crying emoji. It's laugh crying. It's like laugh crying. Yeah, laugh crying. L so Okay. Like laughing so hard, you get tears. Yeah, that still doesn't make sense to me. I don't feel like you're watching emotion accurately in this statement, but anyways, keep going You are so sweet Cute Okayilty is charged. Yeah. Yeahah. We've seen things like this before and it takes a turn I want your baby Smile with guys I don't like the way he said it, but yeah, you know, like I got a lot of love to give, I guess. So that my is that acceptance I don't know doesnt want. It doesn't say I demand, so are you gonna o I just thought I was contractually obligated, Jaon. I don't know how this works. I'm going have to read my contract again and we'll see. There's nothing about need to create with our. We'll put that as pending. We'll put that as pending. Yeah. I mean look, that's that's a pretty nice compliment if you want to have my baby because like I don't know, there's there's some you you might change your mind My kids are beautiful, but man, can they be handful sometimes And you got stopped in Germany by a superfan Remember folks f with an asterisk around it, because yeah, he was like, reallyally great to meet you, Chris. Tell Jordan, I'm a really big fan U And it was incredible because it was like, I just have this I have this M ten. Does anyone in your group know how to use one of these cameras? And it was a like a press event So that also was pretty awesome. So they they got a picture of me, Chris Nichols hanging out awesome. And I definitely passed the message on to Jordan Drake that he's a And so what nine months from now, you're going to have another baby? That's cool, man. Congratulations. That's awesome Three more comments from this was on the most recent review you did Chris, which was a double feature, two revs The Vill Tx. quQuickly, I want to address a couple of these things. One comment from Ron Chappelle says Yet more lenses that won't be made for Canon are F Our lensmakers punishing Canon for locking their RF mount. In this case, I would say the answer that is no. You still need a license from Canada to do it. Viltrox probably doesn't have that license and isn't pursuing one But my guess is because there's not a ton of demand. I don't think Canon pushes their APSC cameras that well. And so Yes, while there are lenses from Sigma and Tamaron, I just don't know if Vhil Trox is like, Yeahah, we should jump in there and try and command O, I say that's fair of what is already a tiny market. Well, also we've seen this pretty consistently where a lens is launched in other mounts and then RF later. They might almost just be trying to see like, hey, is there a lot of demand for this before they bring it over? Or maybe the application process with Canon just takes a long time. It could be either of those things Don't Tottally give up because we have seen plenty of lenses that are announced for other mounts and then later come to Canon RF. But it has nothing to do with these brands being mad at Canon for not letting them and Well, there's a lot of rage to go around, but Yeah But they're not going to not sell a product if they can sell a product. So that's not how that works U Zaapa Blues demands you say it Bocaa Yeah. I hate this. It's not off it's not it's boquette. And it's a Japanese word, you know, to refer to the out of focus or blur of an image. I don't know where booca was perpetuated. I know a lot of creators say booca. I know a lot of people say booca, a lot of executives say booca, you know who doesn't say boca, Japanese executives They don't say ba. They say bouquet and that's because they're Japanese and it's their word. Ands to be like literally a bquet like a flowers. The concept is the background looks like a bouquet That's where it comes from. That's what I was told I don't know if that's accurate becausecause it would be from a Japanese word. I know when I American words all the time. But's true B Boke is a Japanese word B OK E in Japanese, you know the E sound is pronounced at Okay whichich is Japanesed which means blurry or hazy. That's where it is. It's just like it's just like the Japanese word for blur. U and it's been kind of huge came Yeah, and you can use it for a lot of different things. It doesn't just mean photography, it's anything. I scared to say it for a really long time I'm from the north of England, so I probably thought it was pronounced Ber Bca Yeah, you know, and yeah, I mean, everybody pronounces things differently. and I think that's beautiful, but a lot of people in the intern get really mad, but it is bquet. And if you look, I mean you can look at the etymology, you can look at the pronunciation guides and Wikipedian stuff, it's all bquet. So this BCca stuff this or this's got to stop. Yeah, it's gott to stop We have successfully transitioned. from a young man who was a booa guy to I have moved to Boqu, and it's okay on the other side here. It's fine U lastast one is Chris, you say there's a this is from that I got to zoom on this guy's name because it's too small here. Matthew Gurred U He says, Chris, you say that there is a lack of lenses in that focal range for APSC, but and then he cites Viltrox seventy five F one two Pro, Songyong seventy five F one eight and Viltrox eighty five one eight two I'd like to point out that two of those lenses are full frame lenses. One of them is not. The Viltrox seven thousand five one two Pro is an APSC lens. Samyang do make a seventy five m one point eight that is APSC. Nobody bought it. It's very obscure But that's one lens. That's what So yeah, if if we go through the Viltroux seventy five m F one point two proro is a huge lens. I mean, out of context, I was trying to say these are but no, I'm t it back. The Viltroux seventy five mil one point two Pro is for that, But that further proves the point that it's Viltrox that is tapping into this market. The Samyng seventy five mill abbsolutely, they do make an APSC lens. That's one example that does not make a market tapped and then everything else is full frame. So that really doesn't count. So yeah, anyways, I get what they're saying, but yeah, there's competition, but it's minor. So I still stand by my thing. This is a largely untapped market, which is what I said in the episode, and Viltrox is really the company that's diving in on it. Wait, if someone makes one lens, that doesn't mean the market's immediately tapped Chris No, unfortunately not. No, I would say multiple manufacturers have to make multiple lenses for that market because a thirty five tapped market. A thirty five on full frame This tapped hundred percent. That's a very that's overtapped market The well is dry. All right, tech support moving on This is a comment from YouTube from No one six nine zero five. As someone who's been considering building my first budget cinema rig Price and features, would the ILS be worth it? This is the Jordan this is the G. These are some Jordan questions coming up. I'm only beginning my journey and I can't find anything near that price point Yeah, I mean, it is super affordable, but in order to make it usable, it's going to require quite a bit of modification. Like a cinema camera, ideally, you're not looking at a two point six inch display on the back of it. You're going need monitor or run it through the phone app. you're going to need a cage to make that functional. And the biggest thing is just, yes, it is a dumb mount on that. So You're going to want to find older manual cinema glass, ideally for like a Super sixteen should cover that. the smaller sensor on it, but it's not going be a very cinematic look on it. Like I do think it would make a lot more sense find even if it's not specifically cinema camera styled U somethingomething like an APSC, like a Sony FX thirty or something like that. You're going to save a lot of money in the glass in the long term. There's going to be a lot more options available for you and I just think it's the entire appeal of the ILS is solely for it to match with other GoPro cameras. You can get better image quality elsewhere. This is designed so you can put a telephoto on where your color and contrast will be ready to go out for broadcast Um crereate a movie with it I just don't think it's a very compelling option, which is why I didn't put a lot of time into the more basic Mission O or the ILS Because I think almost no one should be looking at those cameras Related, Daniel three D Trip asks Jordan, mayaybe you can answer this question. Would an Olympus Pro lens would the manual focus clutch be able to be used on the interchangeable GoPro So you won't be able to adjust your aperture and it requires electronics. It is technically by wire, but a very responsive system in those Olympus and OM lenses with clutches. So will not function. Sorry Yeah, the lens won't know it's attached to anything All right, let's listen to some speak pipes. Let me fire this one up. This one is from Alex, let's see here. this is Oh gosh, I got two Alexes in here. I sure hope this is the right one. Let's fire this one. seeee what this one is. I team I have a Sony A seven Mark for and I'm very happy with my photography with it Just starting also to get into video I'm typically shooting dancces in dark environments where it's not going to be acceptable to add more light Unfortunately Do like tooot its frames for a second? So I would like a recommendation from Jordan please. shouldhould I shoot Full HT is ten eighty p accepting the loss of resolution, or would it be better to get our lens to shoot wider than my signal twenty four to seventy and shoot at four K with a grump I found that twenty four mil is just a little too tight and AS tor I do love the podcast. Thank you for being here and I'm always really sad when you have to miss a week. Thank you Easy answer for you here. Sony made it easy because their ten thousand eighty p output is pretty bad So if you use that, it's going to give you a it is very heavily down sampled. You're going to get a pretty soft image at ten eighty sixty p. You'll get a much more detailed image, even though you're using less of the surface of the sensor, which will increase noise doing the four K sixty p with a crop But you can apply pretty aggressive noise reduction to that and still wind up with a sharper image than the ten eighty. U straight out of camera using the full width of the sensor. So if you can grab a wider lens, that would be definitely my suggestion. I'm going to move to Tim's email This email from Tim Hi guys, I'm actually saddened by the regular disssing of Yeshika The first real camera at age eleven was a Yeshika Matt LM, a TR LR and a poor baby's rooleet. I loved that camera. I can still smell its leather jacket and hear the clicking of the crank to advance the film And I like six by six films Someday I'll get around to buying a roole from KEH. They're still way expensive, but I'll use my petapixel membership, that's in allps. That's why I shouted it to get a discount. Thank you very much there, Tim. By the way, Jaron, I have family connections in Santa Cruz and when my wife and I were there in February, we went to Apta Street Barbecue. Yes, the brisket there is magnificent and let's not even get into the sauces Take care to Martha New York You know what, Tim? thank you Ata Street is excellent. I will I'm glad that you enjoyed it. but It's unfortunate about Yhika not being Yeshika anymore Sure, and that's exactly it. Nobody's dissing Yhka, the brand, the storied brand. I mean, they made fantastic SLRs, they made fantastic TLRs. It's just that they've unfortunately become a name that is licensed to whoever wants to make cheap E waste garbage and put the name on it. And yeah, that's sad and tough. And so what that's what we're dissing. That's what we're dising U moving on to Daniel. this is an email. Hi Petapixel team. I've been following Chris and Jordan's work for many years and I wanted to thank them for the thoughtful, entertaining and genuinely influential work they've done for the photography community I'm a seasoned amateur photographer and I also have ADHD. You recently had Chelsea Northup on the podcast, and I also saw her discuss her own channel how ADHD affs her work. Chris also mentioned in passing not too long ago that he has ADHD unless I misunderstood that I think you did. But that's okay. I mean, I probably who knows, man, maybe. But no, I am not diagnosed with ADHD, but I mean, I think everybody to some degree has some aspect of it My question is about travel photography. I usually travel with friends who do not share my passion for it. They enjoy it when I take photos of them. but when I want to really go out and shoot, I often feel I need to do that alone because I can't shake the feeling that I'm wasting their time. And my ADHD is more than happy to turn into a full blown stress response. Taking that time matters to me, because I'm often worried about missing details for getting a setting or rushing through a scene and regretting it later. So my question for Chris is, what advice would he give to photographers with ADHD in that situation, especially when shooting with other people? And what challenge has he faced or does he still face when it comes to ADHD and photography? For me, cameras with an EVF have been a complete game changer because they genuinely help me focus Thank you very much for considering the question, Daniel from Germany Yeah That's an interesting question. Like, yeah, so as I said, I don't know if I really have ADHD, but I think Any photographer shooting with other people faces this kind of challenge. It's not specific to that. I mean, you know, you hear this all the time, like if you're out vacation with your family, you, they're like waiting for you to catch up 'cause you're still back there shooting some thing that to them seems completely inane, right? How do I handle it? I mean, yeah, it is tough when you're shooting with non photographers. I tend not to. I really, myself, I like to compartmentalize when I'm being creative. and when I'm doing something else. And if I'm doing something else with family, I honestly don't like to touch cameras. I don't like to bring cameras on trips too much. I really don't like to split focus because I find that very difficult to do You know, either do the photography or do something else, donon't try to do both. I really don't like it. It splits my mind into two different places. So maybe I do have ADHG, I don't know But it is challenge. But I also think as a photographer, what's so important is that you maintain focus while shooting. You really have to be into a zone of allowing yourself to spot interesting light and to see details and to be naturally pulled and gravitate towards things with with you, disregarding any other distractions. That's how I feel at least when I'm shooting. I really don't like to to be distracted. Jordal the tests like he's often following me as I'm wandering off into some strange direction because I really I really think you have to do that to be a successful photographer, you have to allow your mind to go in the direction that it wants to go and to really focus on what has drawn you, what caught your eye, what drew you into that alley? Why are you going in that direction and kind of explore and have that journey. So I don't like to shoot with non photographers. Sooting with other photographers and creatives is different because they kind of all are on the same wavelength and they kind of get the same idea. But I like to shoot alone. I like to take pictures alone or with people that can work in that same that same mindset. othertherwise I feel my focus gets split and then I don't feel like I'm free to take the shots I want to take or explore the things I want to explore I'm sure family and friends don't mind that much that he shoots in photos, especially if he gets a nice photo Yeah. I think it's just really important, especially on vacation and stuff, just set the expectation beforehand. like, hey, I'm out there. I'm also going to be trying to take some pictures. If I'm straggling like Go ahead without me, I'll catch up or I'll meet at a different spot. And that's always that's never been a problem for me as long as that is. the knowledge going in, it's if people don't know you're going to be sitting beside that one branch that the light is hitting really well for five minutes and they're like, good God, we got a schedule to keep up here. That's when people can get frustrated. So as long as they know that's something that you're planning to take time for, I don't think you're going to make them mad unless they're bad friends or bad family Actually that's nothing we can help you with. When I told my wife that I was when we were going out to the beach a couple of weeks ago that I'm specifically bringing cameras and stuff to shoot. I want to shoot. I want to take lg. She actually went out of her way to like look for places that she thinks I would like when she knew that was important to me. And that's why you married her because she's empathetic. So like kind considerate. If you have that conversation with these people, they might actually see that it's important to you and want to support you Maybe' as Jordan said, they're good friends and good family. Otherwise but I get the challenge. I feel the same way. I don't want to burden people, I don't want to hold them back. And so that can be very difficult. I mean, I've even bothered Chris with how long I've taken to take a picture before because that's not true. In Australia, I know you were joking about how long it was taking me to set up camera into. I'm Tarer. I know how long it's gonna to take you to shoot that stupid panoramic camera with forty six attachments to make it work. ye. Let's do one more that all of us have something we can say about This is a message from Craig Hey guys, longtime listener, new subscriber. Thankk you very much, Craig Yay Th Those are his words. Yay, period. There's no exclamation point. It is yay period. appppreciate it. M. It says fist off, but I believe it's first off. firstirst off. The thirty five millimeter focal length sucks. That being what it is. Seriousy. What is your most used personal camera equipment from the last few years. What personal camera equipment would you grab if your home was on fire Assuming, of course, family friends and pets are all out of the house and safe already Even some of those friends, who cares? Oh, should we answer that?, Yes, we should. That's the one Oh the next one's easy the second half is the easy to answer. So this one first, everyone with I should grab my most expensive camera aroundound Robin Sure. wouldn't sell it and buy all your favorite cameras again. Yeah Yeah, Matt, what is it? If yourouse was on fire, what camera equipment would you grab I mean, Part would like to say my dad's film camera, the Canon AE one and all the lenses that I've bought for it over the years The truth is that's quite a cheap camera to replace. so I'd probably buy the Pro probablyably get the Con R six. Yeah,'s a tough. It's a tough. I was going to say it too. I'm like, Oh, the Niicon FE is back there. That's my first camera. I would, you know, that that obviously has sentimental value. Um So you know, I probably would grab it to be honest, even though that's it doesn't make sense practically. But yeah, like the GM five silver, look at that from Japan, got that, had to do it, hadad to do it. My black one's a beater and then I got this because it's so pretty. So I'd probably grab that because it's a Gilm Grays camera v time But u Yeah. That's a tough call Tough calls. overver GM five. There you go. Jordan I have my first camcorder here and that sucker can burn. I only hang onto it for novelty's sake because we made a video about it like six years ago, but it's still here. No, I mean, I would grab workhorse gear I really don't have a sentimental or emotional attachment to a lot of the equipment that I use That's a separate question, the house burning from what do I use the most often, which is unsurprisingly the OM seventy five millimeter F one point eight, which is my going out and taking pictures with the kids lens almost all the time. then that thing lives on a body. And actually, I'd be much more interested in saving my hard drives that haveve got all my photos on totally That's what I'm sentimental about, you know? because I can take more photos But I want to save the ones that I've already taken Good answer Mat U Not too long J Jere's got a lot of slides and bin. Yeah. Not too long ago my answer would have been saving my dad's FD F with an phatomic on it FT and phatomic, but recently after acquiring a TX one and is that is my child I would probably grab the TX one because it was such an arduous experience to actually acquire that near mint camera So yeah, and I can as Matt says, like that an F and an FTN are very easily replaceable these days. So and get it One of five, two, five, any timee I want. Mm He also asks, what's the best place to purchase a Woltencraft pilot travel camera bag, seven L? The Wolttencraft website says that says on the cart page, the total price does not cover import fees, handling fees, et cetera, which may occur during international shipping. Kind of curious how that would all add up. Is there a North American distributor that would eliminate all that stuff or is it buying from the Woltencraft website the only way? How did you get yours Chrress U I believe that they only sell direct, right Yeah, I believe the onlym sell direct as well. Yeah. Although you can find some other bags, but I don't know how far it's certainly not North America. You can, I believe, I'm not one hundred percent sure on this, but I'm pretty sure I've seen people posting like the Wcraft bags are available at like certain boutique stores in the area. You know, in Taiwan, maybe in China or Japan, I'm not quite sure. Uh I've I think I've seen that, but u Basically, it's just off the website So I believe you'll be able to see those taxes when you check out, you should be able to I mean, that's thing already online. Like you might get hit with duty, you might get hit with. I know in Canada, you're going to hit with GST on a lot of products. likeike it's yeah, it's just the way it is. And Craig ends with thanks for everything you guys do, alwaysways informative and definitely entertaining. You're welcome, Craig Final thing, Jordan, last week, you mentioned that you were going to look for tutorials. Did you get a chance to do that? or should I postpone that till next week? Dance? Oh, you should postpone that because I did not do that at All right. Very good. We'll skip on a concert and camped The feel good story of the week This is a story, another one from you, Matt. justust another banger An artist attached a game boy camera to a space telescope and took pictures of Jupiter. That's not so ridiculous ridiculous. And just to clarify, this telescope is on the ground. it's just taking pictures of space. Yes. didn' into low orbit. Yeah. Yes,ight I like that his Game Boy is fluorescent colors, like bright. And then he printed like. And then he printed it out on thermal tape. Yeah with the Game Boy printer Yeah, he's a real character this guy actually. He's like a scar punk enthusiastic. well known in the scene. Apparently he calls himself the good wizard of Sokow A, interestnting In a way. This is one of those things where it's like The same people who dislike this disliked my story about wanting a te. Whimsy. Yeah. Whimsy guys. J Whimsy. For once, remember that this is a hobby and you're supposed to enjoy your hobbies and have fun Remember that, please. Have fun This makes me feel good It's like kids sports Thanks for joining us this week Really appreciate it My pleasure, you. Check out the Lic SL three P episode and see some mat behind and in front of the camera. U nextxt week, we're bringing back Christy Odum So she's our guest next week. We'll excited for that. And yeah. thanks everyone for joining us. If you are not a petap pixel numberber, please consider it. Also a note, Jordan and I are previewing upcoming shirts that are coming to the pedapixel Merch store soon. These are some ideas that you will see coming up and you may have seen another one too. the bet shirt that's coming as well. So get ready. that's soon