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Hey, did you miss us? Because we're back. It's the Petapixel podcast, and I'm here with Chris Nichols, much requested by the fans, Jerren Schneider, much requested by the fans . The same people who are here every week. This week? I don't know if I much requested. I think Chris is like a requirement. Like you have to show up. Chris or no one to watch. Dude, this minecart's going off the rails quick. Jordan, bringing it it back back. Br line really quick. Guys, you might notice we missed an episode last week because we were traveling and as a result, a bunch of news is piled up. So this week we're going to address that . We're going to try and work our way through a mountain of news and get you all some interesting information and usual segments as well. Your favorite tech support. Tech . My favorite. Yes. Absolutely . Giving back people . But before that, I want to mention as well, like things were a little bit different yesterday because all of us were on camera , which is a little bit different . And I'm really curious . So Chris, you were shooting with a different camera man . I was filming myself and Jarin was also hosting also with a different camera man. I want to know. Yes. What was that experience like for both of you? How'd it go? Oh man. Well, I mean okay, I was working with Levi Hallwells, who's a friend of ours for a long time. Yes, he's a legend. He's a very skilled editor . You know, he makes tons of short films. He's helped us out on a lot of episodes, best and worst stuff, trail cameras, all the rest. So yeah, of course it went very smoothly. It was very easy because we've worked together many, many times. So yeah, it was great. It was comfortable. It's always nice to catch up. We had a beautiful day yesterday . Yeah, yeah, nothing but nothing but nice stuff. Ooh, and we went to lunch in Calgary. There's the Far East Shopping Center, which is right next to the Harry Hayes building downtown. And Fa Huai is there and it's very good. Fa Huai is one of my favorite, but there Levi took me to Chengdu Street food and it's like Sichuan cooking and it was some of the best. He had Danda noodles. I had the spicy beef noodles . It was one of the best meals I've ever had. It was so good. What? So that good. Tung du street food. You know, now I ordered the spicy beef and appropriately, had I ordered spicy beef in Sichuan when we were in China, it would have killed me. Here in Calgary, it's very mild, right? But still, I mean, that's calibrating for the predominant culture, but amazing taste. Wonderful food was so good. I even went up to the lady at the end and I said, That was so delicious. It was amazing. And she's like, yeah, it is. I know, yeah, it is delicious. I don't need you to tell me. Yeah. She was like, yeah, it is. It's so delicious. Yeah, okay, great. You should leave now. Yeah, you're okay. So she fully agreed. Anyways, great experience. Wonderful take me then when I come here. Yeah , one hundred percent, Chengdu street food. Oh, gosh, I got to stay for enough meals because you guys keep talking about food, so I've got to stay at least for three dinners at this point. Incredible, incredible. To answer your question, Jordan , I was outshooting with for those of you who watched all of our videos, including the How We Made A Movie and Alaska video, you may remember a reference to Dima, the doing pull ups. He's shot. I wouldn't yeah,' hes got laundry powerful . I went and found my own tall white man to video with me the two Asian men got two tall white men. Yeah, Dima is Levi's not that tall just for the record just about Jordan. Levi's like , I know you're both bad for our posture for the record. Yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of looking down at a screen. Yeah , Demi usually props it up against his chest . Anyway, Dima is joining the pedopixel team actually. He hasn't we haven't published anything from him yet, but he's working on stuff. You can start to expect here soon, probably in July he's making videos on Mondays , but he was helping me film the episode on panoramic cameras that I've been working on. And so that episode is now, I guess you could say it's in the can. It's like ninety, ninety percent in the can. We have some more shots of the cameras to get because yesterday , while nice, was the hottest day it's been here all year. It was reached ninety five. We were out by some waterfalls, so it wasn't that bad , but I was popped when I got back. Like I clearly was like, alright, that was that was exhausting. Nice shots though, nice shots. I don't know, maybe I was mostly there for the, you know, the environment beautiful environment exactly the best time to do shoot waterfalls is like, you know, in the sun in the middle of the day. Like I was ending and I don't know fair enough. We'll see. I don't know if any of the pictures come out great, but it's most excited to see that comparison because you're very passionate about the subject and there's a lot of people out there that want to buy expensive film and blow it as quickly as possible. And a panoramic camera is one of the best ways to do that. So I think it's going to be great. I am legit excited to see the comparison between the cameras. I did have to do a whole segment on why do you even want to do this when like you could just use crop on a GFX? What did you get like four shots out of one twenty or something? Three shots for it. Four. You get four. Four. That's like bangers. You can yeah, you can get one , maybe one banger per role and then you don't have to worry about having filming left in your camera that you need to like finish the role before you can finish that role real quick. It's not hard . If I got a role developed from that and it was they were all bad, I would take me and the camera into a volcano and this happens to me all the time. Yeah , where I just get like a completely like this roll sucks . Happens. Yeah. There you go, Jordan. There's your answers. Perfect. And how about you, Jordan? How about you? Well, I have behind me here, you might see the silhouette of it, the little Insta three hundred and sixty Luna Ultra here . So I was reviewing that, but because I'm primarily looking at it as a device to film myself when Chris is off on Merry Adventures , which is definitely or vacation if he ever wants to take one , I want an option to film myself that is a little bit easier . And I gotta say, I was disappointed with my ability to speak to a camera, but the experience of using the camera , that rocked just to be able to like set it up on a table, have it track me, switch the lenses, you can remove the screen, check everything, adjust camera settings really easily without walking back and forth constantly. You can do playback while you're still standing there in front of the camera as well with audio. So yeah , so far you'll have to see what I think of image quality, everything like that, but just in terms of a tool to make your life easier , if you have to film yourself, this is probably the best thing I've found yet. So very early recommendation. Now, Jordan, of course, I don't want to get too far into it, but you're playing with this Insta three hundred and sixty. We have also touched the DJI and so obviously we're going to have a comparison for the viewers coming up shortly. Should be exciting, hey? We've seen both. Yeah, exactly. We can't talk about the DJI in any length yet, but testing is ongoing. I can say that. And one thing I want to throw in about filming myself is the most valuable thing. Like it's great to have someone to check composition and frame and stuff like that. The most valuable thing is when I just flat out misspeak someone to say like, Hey, you called that camera the wrong thing or whatever . Like there were large stretches where I've called the DJI the pocket four K because that's a black magic camera that existed. And there's a lot of those in the Luna and I'm going to be editing them myself. So I still like to go out with a friend when I shoot these episodes. But overall we got through it and you can stay tuned for those results almost immediately after this podcast comes out. All right, we should start the show Guys, I've been working my butt off. Make pedapixel memberships so worth it that you would be a fool . So how do how am I doing? Here's here's all the perks. 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So yeah, I don't know why you'd be listening to this podcast if you can't stand us, but if that was the case, still makes sense to sign up for a pedopixel membership for all those sweet deals. This podcast sucks. I only watch Jared Poland, but I'm still gonna get a membership 'cause damn the perks. The perks fine. You know what? I'm not even done. I'm currently trying to add more. There will only ever be more perks than this. I'm trying to get more in here. I'm talking to two other companies right now about adding perks. So stay tuned for more . Also , I'm just reminded, Chris is wearing a harperfinch shirt, and so am I . Jordan's shirt's got Japanese on it, which is sick, but I don't think that's a harperfin shirt. It's not a harpinch shirt, I'm sorry. We're working on the drop of shirts right now. The next pedestal drop. So stay tuned for that as well. It's coming soon. All right , let's look back to what you were just talking about because yes , last week INSTA three hundred and sixty announced fully Luna, Luna Pro, I believe it's what that one's called right. Ultra Ultra. Ultra . So here's the thing. There's supposed to be another Luna. I don't know where that is. I haven't seen what happened to that. But this wasn't supposed to be launched when it launched. Now, by the way , which is why we're scrambling right now with this overheating test that's going on right behind me. And a little spoiler for that episode too. This thing's been going for almost an hour and a half on four K. Pretty respectable overheating performance on that. Yeah , the original date that we were told for this thing was supposed to be sometime this week . They were aiming for the eighteenth , which is, you know what? When they're going to get their review because that's when we put it on the board . But what happened was last week BNH just had it available to buy and you could pick up in store . So like people were doing it. In fact, I know someone who went there, bought it, picked it up. The thing was it was a brick because it requires the app to activate it so you couldn't turn it on and do anything with it. But I think Insta three hundred and sixty was like, well shoot, they can see all the specs because it's in the manuals there. It tells you everything about it. So like that had effectively broken the embargo. So they moved it to the day after that , pushed it up a week and surprised all of us. So like what's funny is like an hour before that happened they had just told me that they were confirming the eighteenth of the day and then like an hour later like actually know it's tomorrow . So there you go . Yeah, there's some drama going on and we're going to talk about that here in the news. Like Jordan and I were in Toronto for the DJI event and I'm sure you saw a lot of other YouTubers influenced stuff out there as well showing off the new product. So yeah, it's weird that these two companies are making a product that is so similar and there's obviously some drama there and they're releasing at very similar dates. And so who knows? it like Was a sneaky way for Insta three hundred and sixty to like beat DJI to the punch? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Wild. But that drama continues, doesn't it, Jaron? Yes, the drama is basically I think DJI was just waiting for Insta three hundred and sixty to launch this project because as soon as this thing launched day after DJI filed two lawsuits in the United States asserting patent violations . One of them is a set that is based on design patents, and the other one is based on utility patents . They're claiming that the look of this they own in a patent. And then there's a couple of the design patents for like functionality of not design pens sorry, utility pens, functionality of how it works and what it does. Yeah , not entirely surprising. And this lawsuit had been in progress essentially since they revealed it at NAB. So like they were just sitting on this, waiting for it to hit market . Well , twenty four hours later , Insta three hundred and sixty countersued and is asserting violations of five utility patents that Insta three hundred and sixty holds. So these two companies are about to go to court and try and get each other banned from selling the product. And the reason INST three hundred sixty says it's countersuing is because DJI is suing them and the only way for them to defend is to do the same back . Wow . I can see why DJI is doing it , but it's mostly because they can't sell this product in the U. S. It's not being imported . So like I guess they don't want anyone to sell anything like it here if they can't. I mean it's interesting they filed in America as well . You know, it's an American lawsuit going on even though DJI can't sell there. Sorry, Chris, I could jump in. No, no, no, I mean, it is, it is fascinating. I mean DJI being banned from the states to sell any new products, that's a huge fiscal loss if Insta three hundred and sixty can make a similar product and sell it there, right? Like that's a huge huge opportunity for instance three hundred and sixty at the same time, like look, if we look at it from DJI's perspective, the pocket has been out for many, many years and it has a very unique design structure . And yeah, the Insta three hundred and sixty ' s are very similar to that, aren't they? I mean, it doesn't take back there. It probably looks a lot like a pocket to people watching. It really does, right? You know , and so I get it. It was also fun. Like first off, I want to say Toronto never been, amazing city, loved it. Everybody's super friendly , cool architecture, great art community. Like it was a really great experience. I really enjoyed it. But it was interesting that nobody does events in Canada and then all of a sudden DGI for the first time does an event Canada like this brings us out to a Canadian city as Canadians for the first time. And it's like, yeah, because they can't do something in the States. It's one. They're doing one in Mexico while we're recording this. So they've done like America is the meat of the DJI press event sandwich the events of the bread. Yeah. It's become a battleground. It's become a battleground. And I mean, it's it's exciting. It's exciting for us to all learn about and watch and listen to. So interesting by the ways, I'm fairly certain these two companies hate each other. Yep Yeah., they so absolutely despise each other . And that is leading to them being particularly petty and vindictive . And they're fighting it's classic, it's classic corporate battle , right? They're fighting in the exact same arena . There's lots of extenuating circumstances. Sense how much they despise each other . Well, and yeah, we've already reported on with the three hundred and sixty cameras DJI getting into that market , specifically that there are employees bouncing between the companies bringing all of that intellectual property along with them . And I can say , you know, the app for the Pocket four , the non four P, definitely out there right now. And I've been using the Luna and yeah, those phone apps are the same app basically . It's really very both companies make drones, both companies make microphones, right? Both companies make gimbals, like they're just on top of each other. There's one more brand that I'd like to squeeze in here because I'm going to cover them because there's there's really no reason why we shouldn't. Are you guys aware of extra tech? I am aware because I often search for things to see if they're suddenly available at B and H Photo before they pronounce . And it says like, yeah, that's not out, but you should take a look at the Extra . So I am aware and I am curious . So we're talking with Extra . It is my understanding that they will be sending us units of their extra , what is it even called ? It's not called it's okay, for those listening , Extra is DJI in a trench coat. It is exactly the same product just distributed by a different brand . There's been investigations not by us by the like I think the Verge did it where they went and looked at Extra's app , and it's like it's DJI's app. Like DJI's code is still in there . And they're making their version of the four and four P. It's the same product . It's exactly the same . My it's the Muse. Is it called the Muse? The Muse two, the Muse two Pro, I think, is what they're called. This is how you get a DJI pocket in the United States as you buy an extra . And it's the same thing. So yeah Someone in the video . Someone so here's the thing. Somebody commented like because DJI is suing Insta three hundred and sixty , DJ is obviously going to sue extra, right? Because they're doing the same thing. And it's like, well , no No , I'm sure there is a very nice legal licensing agreement between DJI and Extra that makes it okay that behind the scenes that's how it's done. But if there is someone who is quote ripping off DJI, it is it would be extra since it's the same product . Very weird All right, Apple at at WWDC released, this is not an exaggeration , one hundred YouTube videos in the span of twenty four hours, I think it was one hundred eleven YouTube videos in the span of twenty four hours related to new tech and app development and software development around everything that they announced at WWDC last week. And in one of those videos , they strongly detail an update to their raw processor , which is almost a decade old now . And so this will significantly improve the software 's ability to interpret raw data . And what they're showing is vastly improved sharpness, vastly improved low light performance. And I want to also make sure if anyone listening, this is not for just Apple Pro Ra . This is for all RAWs that they support. And I think the jump between where they were and where they are headed is really, really cool looking. Like that is a substantial improvement. Yeah, and for Mac users, it's easy to tell if a raw file is supported natively in the OS, then you'll be able to see a preview, you'll be able to hit the space bar and it'll pop right up for you. And yeah, you might notice that doesn't look as good as when I bring it into my dedicated raw software , that little preview. And for me, because I use something that natively uses Apple's Kodec, that's Final Cut , if I bring raw files into Final Cut, they look bad . So I don't do that. I use other software and screencap them or export JPEGs to show what the raw files look like . So having something that's a little more compelling is well a little more current, honestly, is actually going to make a big deal for people as well if you want to process some of those raw files on your iPhone or your iPad, that means you're going to see these same benefits as well. So this is what the explanation is from the developer that is on the video, his name's Hayward. The initial raw data parsing and demosaicking process is integral to all raw processing software . All that raw image sensor data has to be interpreted by software before it can be viewed or processed. This is the essential function of Apple's core image raw processing engine, which is seeing the update . And I'll put a couple of the side by side examples here . So I guess the thing is here is like I'm not a Mac user except for the iPad. And I've never no, well, I don't know, because I've never used Apple Raw because why would I, right? I mean, the results were bad before. You got Lightroom, you got Capture O ne, why would I use it? Right? So and I never used Aperture because I wasn't I wasn't a Mac user back in the day then . Yeah. So it's like if they're improving this, this is great. I guess the relevance is, what's the support going to be like , why would I use this compared to Lightroom or Capture One ? You probably wouldn't yet. And I think yeah. The reason I'm excited about this is it should affect Photomat Pixelmator and anyone, any app that relies on Apple's raw processor cut. So I incorrectly assumed that this was something for their iPhone support. And that's that was my mistake. and it's not This is their actual overarching raw technology, which if they're trying to improve, and clearly they are, that's great. I mean, fantastic. Why not? I mean, we have talked about how it'd be nice to have Apple come back with a raw processor. The big thing is still going to be though, is it going to be enjoyable to use and is it going to support models quickly, right? And I know that you that's more an issue for us in our industry than it is for the average user of course . But in some cases, it was an actual use case for average users . There were some OM cameras that went like seven years without support , which is crazy. Bananas. That's got to, that's got to be improved. So that's one thing we mentioned in here is like, it's nice that they're updating this, but they also should be a little more diligent with adding new cameras to the system. They're a little slow. I still I'm skeptical about the use case, not so much on a MacBook, but on iPad and mob ile, I still feel like the IOS is just awful for previewing images, for letting you go through your photos quickly. And I've brought these up to Apple and they've addressed it zero, zero percent. So I'm really surprised by that. But yeah, like previews, absolutely terrible. There's no easy way to like close your files. They build up and get really slow . Quick looks, I still cannot go back past the first photo that I've opened. I can only go down the list, but I can never go back past. It's weird, just weird stuff, I don't know . It makes it frustrating to organize, move , that kind of stuff. You have to use third party apps, which yeah , so I don't know. I mean, the only thing we can all agree that is going to be useful is if you send someone a file and you open it on an iS device , if that's a raw file, it's going to look less trashy now, which is great. Yeah, but you're still not going to necessarily process it, right? I mean better thumbnails is fine, but that still doesn't help most people , right? Yep, but the results look better, sure. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm glad they're making they're changing it because it's kind of odd how long. So like if you look at the history of this, like they were updating their raw processor, it looks like every two years or less for a while there. So Raw five was in twenty twelve, Raw six was in twenty fourteen , Raw seven was in twenty sixteen, raw eight was in twenty seventeen , and then nothing until now . So they really sat on Raw eight for nearly ten years and we're finally getting raw and eye at the end of this year. Now what I will say where I was kind of going with is clearly Apple is using Airquotes AI based technology to improve their image quality here in the pipeline and machine learning, deep and all that kind of stuff, which is perfectly natural . But I kind of feel like Apple is maybe going to start to slowly push more into this AI world. They kind of have this reputation as being the one manufacturer that's like, Ah, we want to keep things real. I don't know about that anymore. I think that's changing quite rapidly. So we'll see that 's a story for another time. Yeah, well , I want to wait and see for this to actually get released and actually see their next piece of hardware before really casting judgment on that , but I'm there with you . So I just want to quickly mention this. The company that owns a huge number of brands , including AOL, Event Bright , Evernote, Brightcove, and recently purchased Filmic Pro, Vimeo, and We Transfer, those are the ones that we would know about. And if you would know those brands, you would know that the company that bought them is not making them better. I was about to say all products that have improved dramatically over the last few years. Sarcasm. Yeah . Filmic Pro went from being V filming app on iPhone to being completely ignored . Vimeo got awful and their pricing model got atrocious. We transfer got way more expensive and slower and they were also using AI , they trying to train AI on what it was being trained . Yeah, which is they got called out for that. Anyway, that company is called Bending Spoons and they are based in Italy , but they are attempting they're going to IPO in the US because that's where you IPO if you want to make tons of money . And they're looking for a twenty billion dollar valuation now after what their entire business model is to vacuum up brands and make them terrible and exploit them as much as pos sible and fire everyone who works there. That's the other thing I thought I want to mention. In the case of We Transfer and Filmic , one hundred percent, they fired everyone from both those companies within a month of acquiring them, at least with Filmic. With We Transfer, they fired all of their devs within a month, and then they fired everyone else within six months because they had like a separate division that was doing other stuff that they hung around for a little bit more. And I know this because I knew people who worked at We ed Transfer. Probably once those devs streamlined everything properly going forward to keep it stable, then they're like, okay thanks. See you later bye. They move everything internally into their office in Italy and then they dump 'em. So this what? I'm thinking Blade Runner is going to be the post apocalyptic model. You know, like I kind of go back and forth, you know, Jordan and I've talked about Jordan's more like Terminator two. I'm like, I'm thinking more Blade Runner. How about cyber ? Cyberpunk's pretty close to it too. I mean, cyberpunk a Blade Runner very similar but yeah that's where we're heading to, but you might all burn in a nuclear holocunos, but I'm thinking it's gonna be Blade Runner. Anyway, these are the good vibes. You listen to the podcast. Because like when Filmic got purchased by Bending Spoons, they seemed the people the founders of that company seemed to be genuinely excited about getting like what they thought was going to be an infusion of resources to make the app better. And they were seemingly surprised when they all got laid off. So like if there's ever a company out there that thinks, hey we could get acquired by bending spoons to make our product better. No, that's not going to happen. They're going to great news acquire you. You can probably get a payout, but then you will not have a job. Let's come back to a happy place. Viltras is they make me happy. Viltrox last week announced two new portrait primes, a seventy five eight and a ninety F two . I do love compact slightly slower primes . Yep , Chris, what do you think? Yeah, I'm, you know, excited to play with them. The Evo line definitely represents a very affordable way to get into it . I have not touched these yet, but I'm looking forward to playing with them. But I have used some of the other evo lenses in the full frame lineup . And I like that I mean Viltrox seem to be building lenses very very, you know, like there's nothing flashy here, but they're built well, they're solid. They got nice construction, they feel good. I love the addition of aperture rings. I feel like more and more lately I'm really getting on the Aperture Ring like thing. I'm getting on the aperture I want . I like it. I desire it. I like having it. Yes. So these are APSC only Chris, which means they aren't actually seventy five and nineties. They're even deeper than that. Which is easy . I kind of want seventy five just to be seventy five . But I mean, like, so have already made evo lines in the full frame lens lineup for like eighty five's and stuff. And they do, I think, already have, if I'm not mistaken, fifty six millimeter lens es, I think that's already a thing. So this is really to kind of give you, I mean, Jordan's favorite focal lengths that he really likes to have. One twelve. That's what the seventy five comes out to ninety perfect portrait perfect portrait length and then the nineties going to give you that sort of one hundred and thirty five that Jordan loves. So like this is this is designed to be that tighter capture soft soft background really, separate your subject , you know , as far as like not having a lot in the background to worry about. Yeah, I'm nice that they're making APS ceilings because it seems like manufacturers have no interest in doing so. It's odd. It's not available on Canon . They should try because Canon would be open to this. It might take some time because we've seen that before, like a little bit of a delay, but I'm even just looking at Z mounts now , adapting those big one point eight full frame lenses, which are actually pretty pricey over to this. This is a much more compelling option for the people who are actually grabbing like Z fifty two s and ZFCs and stuff like that . Yeah. Nikon of, course , need all the support they can get, right? Yeah. And Fujifilm it's always nice to have more stuff on Fujifilm. I don't know that Fujifilm makes anything long like this, hey. The ninety Middle F two is one of my absolute favorites . The ninety L ninety . eighty macros are a pretty nice alternative as well. Never mind. These are cheap. These are they are cheap sheep, which is what Viltrox is, I mean doing well. These are all both under five hundred bucks the cheese auto phone four hundred. Yeah. twenty nine the ninety is three hundred and sixty nine. I mean, if you wanted to get into photography and you didn't have a lot to spend, Viltrach certainly is making a strong argument for picking up crimes and I bet they performed just fine. I mean, that's what we're going to test, right? But so far, Viltrux has proven themselves to be very consistent. You know, the autofocus is working well . There'll be STM motors. That's fine, you know, and accuracy's always been good. I mean, I detected everything I had in any shoes, but they also tend to get bouquet down pat pretty well. So this would be very popular for wedding photography, fashion work, anything like that. I think that it's going to be great for commercial shoots. So yeah, eager to play with it. Well, this should come as no surprise, but Zeiss has discontinued its Otis DSLR lenses. I'm actually kind of surprised it took this long. They had a lot of inventory, I'm guessing . So yeah, the Zeiss lenses for Canon EF and Nikon F amount. fifty five , eighty five, and one hundred are all marked as discontinued . Yeah . So okay . Yeah, makes sense. It is a shame that we haven't seen a mirrorless version of the twenty eight or the one hundred yet before replacing this. So that means there is still a gap if you're determined to have all zeist for the three D pop so you can jump on forums and talk about that extensively. Yeah. I'm not referring to . There's nothing stopping them from making more mirrorless Odus lenses in the future. I mean, that's, you know, they are still going with that . Yeah. I never used these and I think because in the DSLR era, I could not rely on myself to manually focus for photos with any reliability . Yeah. Back in the day, these were the sharpest lenses we had at the camera store . There was a real appreciable benefit to using these very big , very expensive lenses back in the day for sure. But not anymore ? No. And I mean back in the day, they did give you something unique, but that doesn't change the fact that they are huge, physically huge to mount on the camera. I mean, the first time you the first time we saw the Odysse, I guess maybe the fifty five mill is the first time I sort of experienced it. And you're like, this lens is humongous. Like it's gigantic. The image circle it projects is huge . So much glass. And then you saw Sigma kind of copy that trend with their art series of lenses, doing the same thing, oversizing the lens, making the corners really good because of that, lots of light , like, yeah, it was, but they were big. They were physically big. But you know, DSLRs are big. We were all stronger men back then. You know, I don't know, it's happened now . My back has gotten very tired over the years . Yeah. No, yeah, weak arms and poor back. So I'm all for like tiny APSC lenses. Govilde trucks The next two stories are very Jordanesque. So we're gonna lean into your knowledge, Jordan. The Sinelux sixteen shoots super sixteen film and digital video simultaneously . It looks cool. The thing that rocks here because I experienced something pretty similar with the Cod ak Super eight camera recently where it had a video tap coming out . Now that was to help you focus and frame things up. There was no optical viewfinder on it. The downside there is it was basically just giving you an auto exposing area. So even in low light, it didn't reflect your actual exposure that you were shooting. The focus was quite difficult because it was always just shifting the gain midshot, even though that had no representation of what was happening to your actual footage, I remember saying, like, I keep forgetting to check the spot meter because I look at my frame, everything looks good, I roll and then I'm like, oh, damn, I'm five stops underexposed here , where this is really trying to make the digital interface as close an approximation as possible to what you're actually capturing. So if you've got a DIT there on set, you can be like, look, here's the look of the stuff coming in. We can be making editorial decisions. They can be doing rough grading even is their intention , just predicting what the sixteen millimeter film is going to look like coming right off of it . So you can start that entire process while you're waiting for your film to get developed, sent back to you. It's a proxy system, so then you just slap your actual sixteen millimeter footage in, all of those edits you made to the digital version are applied , which is a brilliant workflow that'll work incredibly well if all things work well here. But I am a little concerned there saying like we're doing some development on emulating Super sixteen as closely as possible so you can grade it, which is something that dedicated companies have str uggled to do for a very long time, things like film convert and stuff like that . So just starting from scratch to do that seems very it's a very big lift compared to like designing hardware. Those are two totally separate skills. So we'll have to see how close this digital image actually looks to the sixteen millimeter film that you get out. But even if it's a ways out, at least to be able to just hand that off to your editors with sound sync while you're working , it's going to open up a lot of creative possibilities, but is going to be expensive. I will tell you like crazy expensive. sixty to ninety thousand is kind of what we're surmising at this point. Like yeah. Yeah, they're saying like comparable to some like high end airy sixteen MM filmmaking cameras. So that's kind of what you're looking at. And if you look at the cost of shooting and developing sixteen millimeter film, if you're doing a full feature film on it, then the cost of the camera is actually going to be pretty marginal at the end of the day. Right. So do we have this is doing a pretty clever thing where it's simultaneously like skipping not skipping frames, but in between each frame, it's doing a digital and then a film exposure, right? Yeah. How is it doing that physically? Do we know ? Well when it's exposing the other part of the image, then your gate is closed on either the digital or the filmmaking. It's yeah just like one hundred eighty degree shutter that's swinging around and when it's exposing one part, it's not exposing the other. So you still get a smooth look of motion and it's just doing one after the other. I mean, there may be issues with like very small offsets or something like that. I'm curious . But I assume that the camera and the sound sync and everything would be compensating for that. And I'm not a mechanical engineer. No, no, yeah, sense to me. I'm just curious, I'm curious to understand how they're getting the digital sensor and then the film into the same light path , like, you know, one after the other at high speed. I don't know how that works. Yeah, there must be a thousand dollars . Yeah . Jordan, can you ex plain to me the benefit of Super sixteen? I don't really know anything about Super sixteen as a format. I mean, it really sits as a nice middle ground. This was your classic independent film film stock way more affordable than Super thirty five, but it's grainier, but it does have a real look to it without looking amateurish in the way that a lot of super eight film can look . And people are using it regularly for that particular aesthetic, like one of my favorite recent films, Happy Christmas, all shot on ' sixteen to have kind of a nineties indie film look to it. Or there was a recent episode. It was a standalone episode of The Bear. It was someone's name. I forget what it was, but same thing. Shoot it on sixteen so it feels a little bit grittier . And yes, it does definitely have a look . The grain is very visible, even if you're looking at it in like two K, especially like four K, things like that . So if you're looking for a vintage film kind of look, it's going to definitely cut differently than digital. Where if you do like a beautiful scan of Super thirty five film, like, you know, if you're watching something on a beautiful four K disk , something I do regularly, then yeah, it can look almost digital at that point because it's so clean . This still has a real grittiness to it, and filmmakers are still using it. Interesting. Well, cool. All right. I don't think we'll ever be able to get one of these for you, Jordan, but if we did, I know. I'd love to talk to someone who's shot it. That would be fun. It sounds like shooting an episode with this would be wildly expensive. Well, you need a crew. Hang on , because looking back, we had the cinematographer from Severance on sixteen mill imeter on the award winning episode there. There you go. So maybe maybe she'll shoot something on that and get her back on the show. That'd be awesome. You're right. That episode did have that was a really good looking episode. Okay ,, ye likeah him. The next story is also a Jordan story, but I have some light input on this and as well, metabones, a name that I haven't heard in a long time . A long time. In a box right over there that I haven't opened in a very long time. Yeah, I remember the little plastic case that it came in . They have upgraded their EF to Micro four thirds adapters and are promising near native Micro four thirds auto focus performance with adapted lenses , which is a big statement to make . And I don't know, here's how it says, They have unveiled what they call true PDAF technology, which metabones promises to improve phase detect autofocus and in body image stabilization performance, such that an adapted lens is, quote, often practically indistinguishable from a native lens. Boy, this would have been cool ten years ago. That's exactly where I came to is. We used the older metabones like everyone else with the Sigma eighteen to thirty five , we'll touch on that here in a minute . But yeah, it was a manual focus solution. You could do like point to point auto focus for stills photography . You know, if you're doing like macro or reproduction work or something like that , but you couldn't use it practically to capture action. And there were endless updates to make this a little bit more consistent, but it just never quite got there. And then at a certain point, everyone sort of moved on past that as we started to see more full frame, mirrorless cameras that were capable video shooters. That was the big gap there for a while. It was like, you want to use a DSLR or do you want to use a Panasonic GH? Those were your two options. And if you wanted a GH, these adapters were essential. That's not the case anymore. So yeah, it feels like I'm glad they got there eventually. I'm sure there are still some people using this, but the market for it has really gone away at this point . Yeah, the speed booster like portion of using the eighteen to thirty five sigma was just like, this is the coolest thing ever . On that note , this only works in some specific circumstances. For one, yeah, they note that the optimal auto focus performance that they've promised here is only on the Panasonic GH seven or Panasonic G nine two . Okay , those are both cameras with phase detect autofocus. That makes sense . And then they have a list of supported EF lenses that work with it. And it's a pretty long list. Like we've got tons on here from Canon, from Sigma and from Tamron, but I'm looking and there is a glaring outlier here that is not on this list . Jordan Yeah, the combination , the aforementioned sigma eighteen to thirty five , which was basically the default lens for GH four and GH five shooters for many years is not on there, which is definitely disappointing. One thing I do think is yeah, one thing I think is hilarious is a long time ago Chris and I went and talked to Panasonic and that was the combination I was using and I was like just make this and then they made the ten to twenty five F one point seven shortly thereafter , which made this combo a lot less compelling because now suddenly you did have eighteen yeah that would get you a good normal zoom with shallow depth of field. I think it's also this might change in the future, but it's also important to point out that a lot of the latest OM system cameras are not well supported on this, right? You can use them, but you're not going to get that same functionality. So there's lots of caveats and Yaubutts in this metabones release. I really liked this company, man. I was a big metabone fan thirteen years ago . And like it's just like seeing them in the news in twenty twenty six was like, Whoa, blast from the past, bro. Yeah, but I'm not buying it. Well, we got a lot of news. We gotta get hammering through here. Well, there's more. This one is somewhat tangentially related because the word panasonics involved. This is weird because this basically never happens to Panasonic. No , but it does it did happen here . They released the update that they announced actually when we were in Osaka, Chris, they announced that they were bringing an update to the S nine that would give it the full functionality with the new app . That functionality did not go well in implementation . We've linked to some pictures. Experience if you if you guys are in the story, there's a link there that says the words experienced major issues, it goes to a Facebook link . I recommend taking a look at these major issues because ho boy, ugly . We're getting some striping and some image quality issues is the best way to say this . How odd that this happened to Panasonic , although I was talking to Jeremy about it, and we sort of have to remember that not only are we dealing with different users attempting to upgrade this different ways. Now this actually happened when you tried to update it through the app, which is one of two ways that you can do this. There are some communication things you have to think of. What version of the app or what version of the phone with someone on? Then what version of the camera's firmware was someone on and are they updating too? And like these are so many permutations of what these developers have to think about when they're deploying . It's not easy. It's not easy at all. Yeah. It's not surprising this happens. No . But it's also interesting. I would say, 'cause Panasonic's not alone, hey, I feel like a lot of companies lately have been doing some firmware updates that haven't gone as smoothly as they would have hoped. So yeah, it's obviously a very difficult thing. You have to support multiple devices, multiple kinds of smartphones and apps. And as you say, like , it's not an easy, straightforward process . You could argue it was actually far more easy and straightforward in the dark ages when we would have to put an SD card into our card reader, download a file off the internet and upload it though but that did yeah and you can't. I mean that does that does actually avoid a lot of issues that does avoid clearly the app communication situation that yeah something went wrong in the wirelessness . Sure they will solve it, but yeah, it is difficult to deal with. Yeah. I think it's really interesting that every year I'm like, who is the King of Firmware Updates? Is it Nikon or is it Panasonic? So Nikon you just got a little bit of a leg up here because last year they had their Tamaron incompatibility issues this year Panasonic's having their app issues. So let's see who takes the crown in twenty twenty six . So there was a Sony update recently that I don't think bricked any cameras. No, we that was part of our news story. It's like Sony has released firmware and not bricked any Yeah, it was a big deal. I cheerly, I believe. Yeah. So Sony this year's winning, which is crazy. What a dark horse in the horse ? All right, moving right along . Chris, your favorite camera and the world's favorite camera from twenty twenty five is seeing a twenty twenty six drop. The Kodak Charmara Millennium Edition was announced today . It's bringing with it seven new designs, including that includes one secret, special hidden design because these are blind cuz that worked really well . Yeah . These are Y two K themed . They are identical internally to the previous one like from hardware components. They did change the filters and they added new frames that you can take with inside this app. And then, of course, the externals are all different that are supposed to take you right back to the heyday of Y two K the turn of the millennium, which, you know, I guess I'm the target audience for this camera. Obviously I am going to well, you know, yeah, I know you're right wants to pretend that they are there you go . Okay, so I'm the target audience for Gen Z to try to replicate and relive . And you should leave it alone because that was my generation. Don't touch it. It was a perfect generation and it should never be never be touched. How do I feel about this, Jaren? Like clearly the Charma is all about marketing . They did a great job on it . Obviously, they're you know, a lot of their a lot of Rito's cameras are going to be fantastically designed. The same company they made the snap pick A one by the way for anyone listening which is actually a nice little camera. Yeah. But you know what I like about that is that people might buy it and continue to use it in the future. And I'm really starting get this not nice feeling about all these companies making this e waste. And I know that's always been a thing. It's not like a new thing, but it's starting to bug me more and more and more because like the charma, the original charma exploded as the must have Christmas gift for photography related peeps and it, you know, it was going to like , you know , seventy dollars, eighty dollars, one hundred dollars , you know , people were all the stores were trying to cash in on this. And it was very rare, and very expensive. And like let me tell you , it's a crappy camera. It's a POS camera. Undoubtedly. Of course, yeah. It's a one point six megapixel piece of garbage, but like the idea is that it's cute . And some people actually like the crumpy pictures it takes, but like these were so they though? Do they though? Do they though? Because I know like we should ask Sarah Tang who was part of the pedopixel team. I'd be curious to know. Yeah, I'd be curious to know because like everybody in their dog bought these and then you go it's so fun and it's so small and it's not my keychain blah blah blah. And then you look back and after a while you're like, yeah, these photos are garbage and like the frames are cheesy and yucky and like am I really gonna still shoot this? Am I gonna be inspired to take pictures on this two months from now? And I think the answer is for the most part a resounding no. And I know there'll be a couple people like yeah I love it. I use every day. But most people I think they're like, where is that thing? I don't know, who cares ? Or they give it away or they sell it in a garage sale and it's just a waste. It's okay. So Sarah says she loves this. Firstly, this is like, this is great. And I asked Chris is asking if you still like your mini cameras. I do, but I'll admit, they hardly ever get used. There we go. But the idea , the concept always good. Is it though I threw this up on threads a little while back, but I haven't talked about it on the pod is when Chris and I were shooting the Sony one to four hundred millimeter at the zoo , shooting birds there in this wonderful little enclosure. A dude right beside us was also shooting the birds with a charmora. Yeah . And I bet those pictures did not turn out. Go ahead. I bet you sorry, I bet you that was like his first or at least very early experience with the camera. He's like, oh, this is cool. Someone gave it to me. I can't wait to try it. Of course, you're like, can't wait to try this. It's so fun and cool. And shoot, you're like, Yeah, this is neat. I'm taking pictures. And then you look at the photos and you're like, that's cool, aesthetic. And then later on, you're like, I don't want to show anybody those. They look awful . And like kids aren't playing with these. This is, you know, it's not something you would give a kid and like, oh, have fun. No. Like my daughter tried it and she's never asked about it again. She doesn't want to have anything to do with it. That's exactly what I predicted. I think they're cute key chains. I don't think they're very good cameras . This reminds me Jordan. What did we see? You saw it and you pointed it out to me in Atlanta, you're like, look at what camera she's using. Oh Dan. Oh yes , it was the Oh what was the name of it? It was our very first Jerin gives us a garbage camera from like three years ago because it's a big it's a big camera with a dash cam stuffed in the middle of it. Yeah. And yeah, the model number is really going to bug me now because it had a hilarious name. But if you've seen one in the field, she was taking out a group of like preschoolers or kindergartners or something like that. And yeah, their school trip photos were being shot on a dash cam. She looked like she was having a blast, man. She was using it . Yeah, she was following around. She was snapping pictures with that piece of crap. Looking through the faux optical viewfind er that doesn't match the framing at all, so that'll be interesting when those get back to her. Look, I was charmed by it when I was shooting it for the one day and then I was like, that's good, I'll never have to do that again. No, that was the charma you were charmed by.. Oh yeah No, no, that thing's awful. It was blue . Now I got to look it up. I wasn't traded here that I made you use that zoom lens that had it was essentially like two tubes with plastic lenses between that. Oh, you're talking about, yeah, yeah, yeah. One that Jordan had to shoot with where it made you sick because it was so jelly. Yeah. This is fine. This is great. A one for the Snapch A one cook from redo, re two, re . Reteto o Reto, Reto that redoes everything, but like this is great because this is a nice camera. It's got beautiful styling. It's still cheap. It gives people an experience and this is doing the opposite . This is this is giving you a camera that's basically giving you disposable camera image quality, but you don't have to keep wasting disposable cameras because they're not great for the environment. Let's not kid ourselves. So like this keeps that those from being made and it's great. So I'm all for this. And I have to admit, the new term of the styling looks nice. Like it does look cool, no doubt, but it's just style. It's just it's just skin s on otherwise plastic crap. I'm gonna be digging for a while. I don't know. And I can't wait to play with anymore. Or garbage camera. Let's see. Garbage . Chris likes that word. Trash. While you're digging through that Yep . Chris, your shirt is directly isolated. How fortuitous to this concept. So you talk about loca p all the time in lens reviews . Antitunal chromatic aberration, which is where you get color fringe in the foreground and background out of focus areas. And it's very hard to remove and post. Yes. So Jeremy wanted great article. Great article , deep dive on what it is and how companies are trying to correct for it. And so he spoke with Fujifilm, Cannon , and one more company was in here too . I think a few in there. Nikon. Yeah, it was Nikon. Yeah . And essentially it was like, what do you guys, what is like the scientific physics way of dealing with this? And then also, there is a way to deal with it, but what are the downsides to doing that? Like what happens when you actually fully address the loca issue? Well, then the lens becomes ridiculous, like the amount of glass you have to put in there. So these guys are constantly balancing calls and demands for smaller lighter while also knowing that they have to try and correct for aberrations as much as possible too. It's a balancing science. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great article. I mean, as we've talked about many times before, like the whole thing with lens design is, as you say, it's a balancing act. If you push a correct in one way, it might take away from another . The answer to really make a lens corrected in a lot of different ways is to use very expensive glass, thus a very expensive lens , or to also use extra glass, which then has its own issues with weight, size, other refractions you have to deal with. It's a very cool, very complex science and art, and the people that do it are incredibly intelligent and I don't even want to pretend to have even a basic understanding of what they understand. But Loka, it's a great article. Everybody should read it. I mean, Jeremy did a great job. It's very comprehensive. It's neat that you get to see a perspective from different brands and how they deal with it , how modern technology has made a lot of these changes possible over time , how a lot of these issues weren't necessarily an issue back in the day, like in the analog days or not as much of one, but are more so now. Like it's really cool . So definitely check it out. And the fact that our lenses even take photos in the first place is pretty incredible when you look at all the design and research and art behind it. There's speaking of not incredible , the NBD camera , no big deal camera . And the keyword I was looking for was worst. The worst camera we've ever reviewed was the name of the video. So dude. Again, I've completely erased that from my memory because that's what I do with traumatic memories. And you're right. We saw her in Atlanta teacher with kids using one and you were like, wow , NBD. Yeah, I never want to touch that again. Anyways, Loka, thank you for Thank you for letting me have that digression. You're right. There's a local bat here Loka Bat that is truly impressive levels of Loka like the top of the photo is purple or it's like tealish green blue and the bottom is like bright mag ical magenta. It's beautiful and by beautiful I mean heinous. This is the kind of thing you're trying to avoid. Yeah, it's wild. When you see Loka, I didn't really looked for it before until you pointed it out. And now when I see Loka, all I could think about was like, good lord, that would be hard to remove the post. You know, what you could do is you can make it black and white. That would fix it. Yeah. And so yeah, you can , although I mean, it's all about your light rays coming to the same point. Ideally, that's what you would want every time. It just doesn't always happen. But you know, Loki can also manifest in a black and white image as like a loss of sharpness as like a a bit of glowy kind of thing. Like, you know, it's that's why we test for it. And anytime we don't talk about loc in our videos, just so you guys know, it's because it wasn't an issue. Like it was a is nsonue . We just don't even bring it up. But we always test for it when we can, especially on lenses that will normally exhibit like very fast aperture lenses and maybe telephoto more so. But we test it on everything and if it,'s an issue or if we notice it, we do tell you about it . Because it is important to understand these things. It's not only fascinating, but it does affect your images. Sometimes more than others. All right . One last thing , so this story is being written right now , but I do want to cover it because there is a it appeared on some Japanese rumor sites slash news sites that Cosina had patented optical design for the Zeiss Otis Melens is the ones we talked about earlier , specifically the eight thousand five hundred one four. So here it is last week, Japanese photography blog Assobinet published a Japanese patent application filed by Casina that appeared to show the optical design for the ZISOTIS ML eight thousand five hundred one four . English language media followed earlier this up week, speculating that Casina may have designed ZIS's new Otis ML Lenses, which themselves reflects ZIS' serious recommitment to the photography space after a relatively lengthy, quiet period . So I knew that Casino was involved. It's just not something that anyone really wants to talk about from a business perspective because it doesn't make sense right. But we got a quote from Zeiss and they have said that they actually , these claims that they were developed and made by Casina are incorrect. Here's the quote. The optical design and mechanical concept of the Zeiss Otis ML family is the result of Zeiss's own development building on decades of our lens design expertise and the heritage of our renowned Otis lenses, Zeiss is and remains fully responsible for the concept, specification, and design of these products. As is common practice in the optical industry, Zeiss collaborates with selected manufacturing partn ers for production. Such collaborations, however, do not change the fact that the underlying design, performance, targets, and quality standards of Zeiss lenses are defined and owned by Zeiss . So there we go . I yeah, you know, and it's an interesting story. I think I really would love to meet the people behind Kosina. I think that's a fascinating story because Kosina is one of these Japanese manufacturer s that you might not have even heard about or maybe in passing . They have been for decades making products under other people's names. And it's a really interesting story, I think, there. I would love to get behind it. I mean the Epson RD one, all the Vitlander Besas, the Vitlander lenses are all made by Cosina. The Nikon FM ten was an affordable mechanical manual camera, Nikon branded made by Cosina. You know, it's it's one of these things where they've made so many different optics and camera systems. Like very few manufacturers do that, right? Like as a sort of third party making both bodies and lenses across multiple brand s with multiple license names. It's kind of interesting. So I really want to delve deeper into the story of Cosina and what's behind all that. Who these people are? Cosina is very difficult to communicate with and I say that literally . They all their English is basically non existent. And I had a weird situation where I can't email them unless I'm in Japan . Oh , like, I've tried to emailed them successfully when I was in my hotel room in Tokyo . And then I came back and there whatever email firewall they use blocked my emails as soon as I was no longer in Japan. Yeah. So maybe I should try and email them again this time using V aPN and see if I can get my email to go through. But again , maybe the whole point of making stuff under other people's names is that you don't have to do the marketing, right? Like that's that's kind of maybe they love it that way. They're like, we just are we , build it and they sell it. It's an interesting dynamic Okay, last one, which you could barely consider our main story is while we were in Atlanta I saw a Nikon S three Millennium edition on a shelf and I'm like, oh, I want to play with that. And I did. And I wrote an article about it. And then someone from KH happened to have the one hundred five and two point five for the S series that just had one, heard that I had the millennium edition, brought it to the Beers and Cameras event. I shot with it that night and it reminded me how much I love that one because also they made it slightly different updated version for SLRs, but it's basically the same lens. And it shoots the same and the pictures look basically the same. And I was thinking to myself that reignited because last year I wrote a story. It's like, I'm starting to get upset that Nikon hasn't remade the one hundred and five twenty five. Right. And now I'm even angrier . So the thing that I brought up was Nikon's classic lenses, and there's a group of them are like revered and loved to this day. Is there a reason why we can't see a heritage series is what I'm calling it in quotes. Nikon, that one's free. You can have that. Call it the heritage series where they just releasere the same optical formulas from back then and there's two ways to do it. I argue . You either take that optical formula and you rehouse it with autofocus or you take that optical formula and most of the and just rehouse the mount and distances to work on mirrorless cameras and it's manual focus only. I'm fine with either of these. I'd prefer the first one , but I've seen in some comments that there' re they don't think some people don't think it would be possible to give me autofocus on these older designs. one hundred percent it would. Okay that's what I wanted to ask you, Chris. Hundred percent it would. It's not going to be that it's not going to be I don't know it's not going to look the same. It's not that the issue is it's not going to look the same, right? Because like those old manual focus lenses are using mechanical helicoids, basically screws, right ? Screwed barrels. And that's what's moving the elements around. So if you rebuilt it, obviously you can put an old school formula with old school glass and the same old school design onto moving elements and drive them with motors. There's no issue there. It's just the lens isn't going to look the same. It's probably going to be a little bit bulkier. Physically. Yeah , physically . Yeah, of course you don't yeah. So that's what it is, right? Like you kind of have to have the spacing for for screwdrivers and STM motors and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, of course it's possible . Why would you do it is really the question? And I think Nikon doesn't want to do it. Nobody wants to do it really , because first off, there is still a large number of manual focus lenses out there that are working and that you can buy for relatively expensive money. I wanted you to put on adapters and you can use them on your cameras to get the look, right? Lots of people are shooting these old lenses on modern digital bodies. Especially in ideas . These fountain lenses are very popular for a certain look, right? Jordan? Levi Halls rock in his nicores all the time. Yeah, we used one on walk down to water. I mean, the I think the point there , even outside of Jerem wanting auto focus is we really want these things chipped. So exift data carries server because yeah, it is frustrating to shoot video with Nikon lenses manually punching in your focal lengths and everything like that . And just to be able to automate some lens corrections as well would be a really huge upgrade if they were to make these things new, for sure. That has though been somewhat addressed by companies , aforemention likeed C,osina, with their vot shirts, Nikon F, Nikon F mounts which are avoiding what I want, which is I want I know. You want the classic look? You want the classic look? I want my one hundred five twenty five That's really all I really want. But okay. But Jeremy was saying while they're at it, they could do the twenty eight to eight, the thirty five to eight, the fifty five one two, the eighty five eight, and the one hundred and thirty five two F two. Yeah. Sure. Great. I'll take those two. If that means I get the one hundred and fifty five, that's all I care about personally selfishly. Obviously, the optical formulas are not a mystery. They have all this information. What would be difficult is now having to retool your optical factories to rebuild these lenses and to design around them some sort of autofocusing system and all that kind of I mean it's just I don't know if they feel the demand is there. Cannon's not going to do it. I mean, you could ask this question of all the companies, right? You could be like, Rico, redo the entire line of Pentex . Kalend, they got so many of them. Yeah, but there's only like fourteen people with came out and DSLRs that are alive that have these cameras. So there's no more than to I know your point. I know what you're point trying to make . You know, obviously Canon's got a long line of very beautiful rangefinder lenses, FD lenses like been pretty vocal about not looking back and look will never look back as I say. So yeah Nikon has looked back . Yes. So yeah, and I think there's such a huge dearth of classic looking lenses. I know Jeremy you brought up Voidlander. A bunch of people are like, Oh yeah, I just want Z Mount Voidlanders because aesthetically they'll match really well with my ZF ZFC. Here's a great way for Nikon without a whole bunch of R and D to just have lenses that aesthetically will match really nicely with this without the ugliness of that F mount adapter tu be, which they haven't made a vintage version of yet . And then the other thing , if we're looking at this is it doesn't have to be Nikon necessarily. Like I think stage two or three of light lens lab, this would make a ton of s ense. It's like, hey, we're taking vintage formulas and giving them chips and model focus . You know, or Typoc someone could do that . That would be a great option for third party lens manufacturers to try and rebuild these moder withn conveniences. I mean, you could, you could argue that a lot of the Chinese manufacturers are now already remaking lenses in a more old school way basically because of their cost. I mean, TTRISI's a good example of that. I'm going to put out and I'm going to put out maybe an unpopular what I think is a truth here though because I have a whole line of Nicor lenses. I've used them my whole photographic career . I consider myself quite familiar with the system and I would just say and maybe this isn't a popular opinion, but frankly, they're not that good Coptically . Okay , that's why like I know it's , you know, I know I don't want them to be that good. I know. I know it's a vibe, I know, it's a vibe. But like on a modern digital sensor, these lenses don't do a great job. And I know it's a vibe thing. And I know for video, frankly, video is not pushing nearly the same resolutions in a lot of cases. So it's like they're not that good. Like they're quite soft wide open. They've got serious finetting, like lots of lots of chromatic aberrations. And so yeah, I get that you're buying it for the vibe , but why would a manufacturer decide to make a series of remakes on lenses that people might shoot and be like, Blah, these things are not very sharp and there's all sorts of weird color and whatever on film, yeah, it's it's, I don't know, I'm just saying, man, like we got to be able to be realistic . They're not very good . Which is why I could see Nikon being like, let's make a twenty eight millimeter F two point eight modern prime lens for the Nikon ZFC and ZF that looks like an old lens, but absolutely delivers the resolution requirements. Let me hate that too. If look, I would be fine if all those lenses I mention ed were remade with modern yeah optics. I would still get the what I want, which is a one hundred five twenty five. Sorry breaking news the Oh it overheats not ultra overheats just sh y of three hours in fourteen twenty four pound very impressive performance. Sorry about that, everyone. And it's really loud when it does it. It lets you know because it's designed to be used away from the camera. So that makes sense. Yeah. Well, as usual we've left very little time for tech. No, we have plenty of time. We have plenty of time. Here we go, tech support time. No, no, we got to do what you would up to? That's true. We did do a little bit of that when we entered because we talked about shooting different episodes. Yeah sure. What have you what have you guys been up to ? I saw Disclosure Day, the new Spielberg . And I am a late day Spielberg apologist. I think West side story is a masterpiece. I think the Fableman's also a masterpiece. I think this is actually as weak as the three, although it's definitely his most popular of his late term output, but incredibly well made filmmaking. If you're looking for like old school blockbuster . A lot of people are saying muscular filmmaking where the camera is moving a lot. There's a lot of practicals. They drive a car through a house. When you drive a real car through a real house, it looks really different from CJ Hogwash we see on Netflix Fun movie. I don't think it all holds together, but Emily Blunt should get an Oscar for it. She rocks the house in this thing. I think it's her best performance ever. I shouldn't see this movie. I have not seen it. I think you'd like it to it. It's another Earnest Sci fi movie. Like I said earlier in the year, like Project Tale Mary will not be cool. This movie also will never be cool. It believes in the goodness of humanity , which is get it spoiler alert , which is timely for sure. But it was a great time in the movies. I brought my kid and he really enjoyed it as well. So this was my first time. I've never been able to see Spi aelberg in the theaters with my kid. West side story was COVID and we're not watching the Fableman. He doesn't need to find out about Seth Rogan just totally cheer like hooking up with Spielberg's mom . So this is a great gateway for him. I think that's a fetish for you though. I got married. I got married. What? No, not really. I mean, I'm effectively married for many, many, many years, but I did get the new Ring Con three smart ring thing and I'm wearing it because I won't wear a watch, but I will wear this. So there you go. I'm married so all you ladies can stop hitting on me and on top of that , it'll now measure my blood oxygen and my heartbeat and all that kind of stuff. So it's cool. Seth Rogan too, Chris is off the market now. You can't break up his marriage as well as Spielberg. Well, he could. You could break up my marriage. That hard. I was ready to believe that. I actually went through the whole ceremony. Yeah. What else did I do? A coffee cup fell out of my upper drawer because it's up in the upper cabinet and I caught it right before it hit the countertop , but then another one tumbled off that hit the cup that was in my hand . They both smashed. I cut my pinky finger open really badly actually. I'd like to tell Levi, hey, I got it, I need another half hour. I'm bleeding profusely . But yeah, I'm okay. I'll be okay. But yeah, did that. Lastly, just enjoying being in the garden. It's really nice. Our peonies in Alberta are about to open. I know you're like , Minor. I know, isn't that crazy? Just about to open. It's a late kind of season that way, but like bees are flying around and birds are coming to the feeders and the fish are happy. So the backyard's become an oasis of joy for my family ? I went to the coast this past weekend lovely photos. You made my wife Jell House. Instagram post. Yeah. Yeah , we went and enjoyed coastal food and I went there and I was like, I want to take pictures. I don't care if they're any good. We'll see. I took a bunch . But I went to my favorite places to go and I had never been there with my panoramic cameras. So I went there with two panoramic cameras, three panoramic cameras actually 'cause you guys had my I had a TX one, I had my VZ six hundred six seven and I had my Sasquatch with me. And I photographed the VZ with a two hundred ten millimeter lens , and then I shot the you just got so much . I did. Yeah. I wanted to get some examples with the T ten. And then I shot with the ninety millimeter on my Sasquatch, and then I shot with the forty five on my TX one . So I've got to drop that film off, but I greatly enjoyed fried fish. I went to the Prontops and got myself a Prontop . We had pizza . So there's a pedopixel fan who lives out there who said, Hey, I know a spot that might be pretty for a photo . It would have been if I wasn't melting. This place was so hot that we were in a heat wave over the weekend . But there's a restaurant there called The Salmon Berry, and I'm like, sure, we'll have dinner. Amazing pizza, like actually legitimately amazing pizza. I was very impressed with the pizza. Asparagus was good. So anyway, thank you for the recommendation. And yeah, just really enjoyed the coast. It was really nice, really good time to be there. We had been planning to go since February, so we really just laughed on the time. My battery died. I'm gonna swap it out , but with that will lead it into tech support . I'm going to read this with a blank charger battery screen. You guys get to enjoy that. This is an email from Casper . You stated oh wait, I'll do this one after this for me one.'s're going to So do we from Elliot Chicago first. Hi Jenn Jordan and Chris. I've been thinking about Chris's idea about wanting a square format digital sensor for a true digital TLR and I have to say Chris, even the guy who occasionally channels his inner get off my lawn about some new photo trends might be on to something here. You're dark and right square sensor could benefit working photographers in a way that going beyond the TLR concept . The Fujifilm GFX one hundred RF is the clearest proof of concept we have right now. That camera select'sable aspect ratio show exactly how a single sensor can serve multiple shooting disciplines depending on context. A score sensor would take that idea and run with it in ways that could genuinely reshape how professionals work. Chris, you take over while I change my battery . So Eliot keeps saying, here's what he keeps coming back to on camera flash consistency is a big one for me personally. I shoot corporate events and gallas. I don't always use a flash bracket. And one of my regular clients specifically asked me not to shoot vertically because the light changes with on camera speed lights. With a square sensor, I shoot everything square and cropped whatever orientation I need in post. So that's really cool. Same thing applies for photographers with mobility issues I'm paraphrasing now physical limitations that make rotating the camera difficult. You know, square sensor, you don't have to move things physically to do portrait landscape . So all these things, photojournalists who are working in unprecedented environments could just make choices later with aspect ratio. It goes on and on. But yes, social media. Like what really I want to get across is that Elliot from Chicago is clearly a very intelligent human being who knows exactly who's talking about. And yes, this is a beautiful idea . And thank you for bringing up as well that like I want the digital TLR square sensor with two different focal lengths because you obviously don't need a viewing mirror kind of thing . Two different focal lengths in a digital TLR because I think it would be an awesome shooting experience. There is something to be said for waist level shooting like that. The cameras look beautiful. That's an experience that a lot of people haven't had. I want it for the shooting experience, but Elliot does bring up some good points that would also have practical benefits going forward. So would I personally want to crop the sensor down to different aspect ratios? Maybe not, but that's always an easy alternative. I want it because I want square . I think the square aspect ratio is underserved and incredibly beautiful as a format . But anyways, Elliot, you're a super smart person and I really appreciate your feedback. You're absolutely one hundred percent right. And this idea is gold and I don't know why anybody doesn't do it . We were at Fujifilm recently chatting with them and while I wouldn't shut up about them remaking the TX one, Chris came from the other side and told them they needed to make a TLR and like they weren't exactly perfect . They didn't like we didn't know this, but Fujifilm did have a TLR in the past that they could. Yeah, they could link to the Fujika Bread. Yeah , they have the heritage. They could take GFX wafers and just make them square and then make like beautiful medium format err quotes, TLRs, digital TLRs with two folk links. Brilliant, brilliant Jordan has nothing to add. I got nothing . Okay The other one that I started reading from Casper is to me. Jarin, you stated you don't like the Peak Design Travel forty five L Travel Backpack . I do use it daily and understand quite well the problems. I have tried to find a worthy replacement for it for some time but it is a very practical backpack on a bus and public transport, sure as long as you don't have to wear it for very long. However, when traveling abroad, I do find it more annoying. The shoulder straps are too uncomfortable. They're awful. The hip belt is too inefficient. It's badly designed. Those two things that I just are my words here. It's adding his own thoughts here. That's right. I'm going to Greece this summer. I'm considering bringing my STOP Telopa Dura Diamond instead. Better for walking around. I would love for pedopix to do a master roundup for the best adventure travel photography backpack. The reason why I don't use Shimoda is because I'm situated on the Norwegian west coast and there is an insane amount of rain here and the materials from Shrimota leak under Bergen rain. Really? Interesting. For the test, it would be more interesting in including a weatherproofing category where the materials are tested without extra protection. Oh without a rainbag, which I before. Yeah. I hate the rainback, so I agree with them on this one. You shouldn't need one. Of course, the definition of adventure photography backpack is quite wide. I use the Peak Design Outdoor forty five L for day hiking in Norway, god, you're brave. And a Nora Norona, Narona Sinksro P flex one hundred twenty five for camping. I am not aware of that bag. For me an adventure twenty five liter, like that's your full on adventure camping. You're camping, carry everything back. Yeah. For me, an adventure photography backpack must have rear access comf,ortable bush shoulder straps and hip belt that works. A sixteen inch laptop compartment, a water bottle solution, holder or whatever robust materials for monsoon type brain and easy to travel with sincerely casper . I actually have a suggestion that if you really care about the rain protection and don't want to use a rain bag the one that what was that? Garbage bag that was the solution in Alaska. No . I had a bag that I used in Alaska that I didn't use with a rain cover because I didn't realize that it needed one because the bag itself felt like it was good enough to not need one at all . I'm going to look it up here in because I can't remember the name off the top of my head. I will loop back to it, Casper, but that bag took some abuse in Alaska getting rained on for two solid days, and the interior stayed dry. By the end of it, you could see just a little bit was creeping in , but it held up. So I will I'll bring that up. I think it's called I can't remember the name is it might be Jordan or something like that. I use the Orvis roll top backpack but that's, like a general purpose waterproof backpack. It's not great for photography at all in any way shape or form. I mean, yeah, that's interesting you already tried the shimoda because my go to is always shimota. I think they make great backpacks. I love the way they feel they're comfortable. I've used them with the rain covers in rain and they're fine, but obviously not anywhere like we had in Alaska or what I imagine you say Bergen Norway would be like. So yeah, it's but they've always been so comfortable and I like the way that they design their bags. It'd be good to do a recap or a test out on it when we have time is the trick. I don't like the peak design backpack either. I don't find it comfortable or useful in the way it's designed. A new one is more comfortable. It's a hideous hideous bag Let's make strong bags, but they don't give you a lot of photo covers like space . So the one that I used, the one that I use and I will recommend this is the roll it's a roll top version. It's the top. It's from Naay Ivo, the Fjord sixty C . It's five hundred and nineteen dollars . It is expensive, but it has a very good camera cube and this thing repelled water quite well . It has excellent waist straps, so those actually do something. The shoulder straps are both adjustable on the back as well as on the straps, which is really helpful if you can adjust it for your height, your torso height. Like because Jordan and I, even if you shrunk Jordan down to my height, he would have a longer torso than me, so he would need a different shoulder attachment. So like the Nyaivo, the Fjord, this is a very good bag if you are looking for one still. I know I'm a little l inked to this because tech support we get kind of backed up, but it's still summer. So if you're going to Greece and you haven't gone yet, Ninega Fjord is good. I'll put a link to it in the description below. All right, last one is an email from Leon . Hey guys, you continue doing a great job. Thanks also for the terrific answers from Jordan on censored development milestones. That was probably a while ago, but good job, Jordan. I have two more questions . As more and more theaters and wedding venues have LED lighting, I am somewhat at a crossroad roads with my A seven C two. Electronic shutter results in horrible banding and EFCS still doesn't entirely eliminate the problem. Is there a way to resolve it with the same camera or do I have to go for another camera that is a full mechanical shutter? Do cameras with fast electronic only shutters Z eight, for example, get around the problem? That's question one. Yeah, for the most part, a faster readout is going to have less of those. You can still run into it, especially with fast scanning LED signs. These are really bad at sporting events, even if you've got a fast scanning digital sensor, it won't blur the readout on it so it can be still quite jarring, but yeah, you'll encounter way less of it. The only other alternative is if you can find out a shutter speed value using electronic first curtain shutter , which works with the lights in the venue , you can do that and then just keep shooting at it consistently . But if your sensor readout is too slow for the type of lights that are in there, it doesn't matter what shutter speed you dial in, you're still always going to have issues. So you could try just running through your shutter values, see if you can find a combination that works, but for the most part, mechanical shutter or a fast reading sensor is better. It's tough. That's why I mean this is one of the remaining reasons we had issue with the Pentasonic Gas nine and its option of not having mechanical shutter. It's like these do have some people will never encounter this as an issue, but it can be a real pain in the butt, depending on what you like to shoot. Second question, I currently use Lightroom Classic and it is SLOW slow Even working on a twelve megapixel JPEGs, opening files would take between four and ten seconds. The computer's hardware is easily strong enough. Files plus catalogue were stored on an internal SSD. All software is on current versions. Have you heard about promising Adobe quality control initiatives? Are there good working ways to transfer the Lightroom catalog onto good image catalog editing ing software from another manufacturer. Adobe being expensive is bad enough, but expensive and dysfunctional just doesn't cut it. Their recent stage requirements for importing external files was already quite unnerving. What you're experiencing is not normal . Something is wrong. Yeah, right. Mine's slowing down a lot as well. Four to ten seconds to open a single picture . Yeah. Image, that sounds way too . That's weird. But I mean, you know, I don't it's hard to say exactly what it is. It could be a memory leak or something. I mean, I'm having the same issue. I'm using a PC. I'm curious whether that this person's using PC as well . But yeah, PCs get loaded with all sorts of junk and then they become problematic and slow. And so like my lightroom takes quite a bit longer now to like open ing files isn't a problem, but like actually loading program. Yeah. It's annoying. And then exports and stuff feel slower . Like overall, it's just a ponderous my favorite word, process. And so I'm getting frustrated with it too. And you're like, wow, what do I do? Just format everything and redo it. That would probably help for a little while , but I don't know exactly why you'd be having that problem. But I'm with you. Adobe is not the best optimized software on systems for sure . I don't know of any way you could really export your catalog to different software. I think what might be causing a problem too is if your catalog and you're loading all those catalogues and you have a lot of catalogs and all those catalogs are full, that will tank performance . So my recommendation is to like remove some of those catalogs if you're not active using them or trim down their size. That might help . And if you're on a Mac , don't use the internal SSD . Use an external SSD. Unfortunately, Mac s ty arepically, I don't know if this is still case. This is the way I've always operated it, but the less stuff you have on your Mac itself, the faster the computer runs . I don't know if that's still the case, but it's I have been doing it for years and I've never experienced major slowdowns, so I'm going to go with it still a thing, even if I'm wrong . Anything to add, Jordan? Nope, I'm not currently using Adobe . Got it. All right, feel good story of the week. We stumbled well somebody sent this to us, a reader stumbled across this and it's out of Japan. This is actually the same guy who gave me that giant ziploc bag full of inspired film. His name M'arks sent. He me this tweet out of Japan. Someone went through the extremely tedious and expensive process of photographing a scene with color checkers on there with every modern available film in both color and black and white so you can actually see how each of these films reacts differently . And that is super stinkin' cool. So there's a he's got uploaded his two videos. You can stop the video anytime so you can kind of see the differences between how they render color and shadow and contrast. Yeah . And so you can decide what do you like and you can actually go get that film and have a better idea of what to expect . Yeah, very cool project obviously a lot of effort. Lot of time. Yeah . Yeah. He shot these at different speeds and at different I think different shutter speed s in some cases so that you can kind of see how it adjusts with the exposure value. But yeah, dope loving. Celebrate the people who do the leg work because we don't have to. So yeah, I mean I already know what I like, but for those of you who don't have a ton of experience with film and are reluctant to spend tons of money trying to figure out what colors you like the best or in black and white, what contrast values and grain and this kind of thing, this is super handy . So yeah, there you go. Made me feel good. Thanks everyone for joining us. Thank you guys. A lot of news this week. Glad we caught up. A lot of happens, especially with the week we had off. We need to get through our constipated tech support . Oh my gosh, we do have more. I know that we're behind on speak pipes. I will do a bunch of speak pipes next week. So that is a guarantee. And yes, next week . Next week we're back on our we're still on our normal schedule and we'll be on our normal schedule for several weeks. We have a huge list of stuff coming up including guests and cool topics. So there we go. Thanks everyone. 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