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Yeah I mean, like Kate Verde tying Spain yesterday. Yeah, which is a fabulous sports story. I did not know that game was going on. until after it happened. I'm still at the match I should say listen to us talking soc. No, no, I no, no. will not be talking We' not be using the right terminology. I'm Seta exxplain to me how MAR stands from Morocco point of like level of of world soccer viewership. So Anyway. Yeah. no, but it's been it's been a I'm glad that it's going on And I understand why people are excited about it and we'll get very excited about it in due time. Not being in New York City is just a huge difference You know It's like I'm thinking of a lot of really bad analogies, but the greatest joy of New York is that you didn't really have to plan for it. You just woke up one day and every different corner of every block was brought to life by some contingent of regional fans, right? Like every bar you walked into had a Vested interest And you know, had like a flag outside and a hundred people from that country inside and Um It's just like New York at its best. Yeah I mean, listen, I wasn't there for the for the giant NBA final celebration. and I presumably won't be there for the parade U I'd even put it up against whatever iss going on in New York right now It's it's a city that has a bar for every college football fan base. And for every national team in the World Cup. I mean, a lot of them are obvious too. It's right You go to the it's not even a bar. You go to like the French restaurant. it's become a bar for the for the purpose of viewing France, football games or whatever Yeah, it's There's more than one. it's just it's an incredible, incredible experience Friday night I was by the channel for USA versus Paraguay On Fox A couple notes for you. First, what a week? to watch celebrities watching sporting events. We did the NX, we did UFC, and we did USA Paraguay Mhm Some of the many celebrities that were in attendance Perry and Justin Drudeau M despite the fact that Canada was playing elsewhere. Tom Cruise and the Beckhams Yeah Mike Myers Kuka Nakkua. Bill Gates. Apparently S FIFA had not read Emily Glazer's recent piece in the Wall Street Journal There was a great moment where you think the FIFA people call Bill Gates like, listen, there's been some PR issue where he's just like you're going to tell me about you're going to be the one to talk to me, FIFA Right, who is more canceled? You were there Yeah, Bill Gates or FIFA question The great moment where John Strong, the Fox play by play announcer said that he had seen a George Lucas look alike on the jumbo trron. And then he came back from one of those hydration breaks and said, actually, that was George Lucas The fununny is it like, George Lucas is is like not the first or even like in the top ten of References I would make if I just saw a chubby white bearded, white haired bearded guy You know Maybe maybe if I was with you, I'd be like, yeah, look it's George Lucas,, it was a joke, but like So I got toa go to like Kenny looggins first and I mean, there's just so many. It would seem weird to see George Lucas, but he's I in the sorry, I can't. Cany logins have a wave beard? Kenney Roger is no longer with us, by the way. So yeah. well, right, All right, Pete Kenney George Lucas to be a weird, weird person to see in the stands at a sporting event, but his museum's about to open here and he's kind of been Is up there Is he on a tour We've been doing some stuff Ile of people go on tours for things that don't need publicity I mean, I know we're in an era now where everything needs publicity, but it's like your museum is opening. Like what what are the stakes here? U If we don't get ten thousand people in there in the first week, this thing's going under. Like Well, he's used to blockbusters. Opening weekend gross is very important to George Lucas. It's true There are also some political figures at the match on Friday The Fx camera found three men sitting together in a box I want you to listen to announcer John Strong here and notice Whose identity he wasn't quite sure of. So he was able to positively identify the president of Paraguay But he was not totally sure that was Marco Rubio What it turn at a strange angle? Maybe he just wasn't prepped for it. Maybe Rubio walked in right as he started talking and they u His little index card didn't have Rubio's name on it yet What a win for internationalism. is like I can pick out the president of Paragois. I'm not sure if Marco And we all know the president and of course that's that would be my bet. if I was doing it play by play for a World Cup game. I would just whoever the whatever the celebrities we looked at, I would react to them in like reverse ranking of how famous they were You know It's just like And the world stands still for the You know fifteenth Duke of Luxembourg or like you know, he's the eleven year old boy prrince. yes, okay. And there is also David Beckham. Yeah,id Beckham's there and I'm like, u Is that a former player? Does anybody w to film me in? Looks like a hoodlum Remember the whole national conversation about how much The network should show Taylor Swift during an NFL game. Oh yeah. my God, we've had like fifteen other versions of that conversation Oh' crazy. S sometimes involving Taylor Swift, Yeahah It just feels like with this, you can feel so much anxiety flowing through Fox People care about the World Cup, right You want to watch soccer in the United States, right Well, here's some celebrities just in Olympics in the worldup I mean these like, you know non annual like super You just just like super significant world events. You just don't know what it's going to mean for your audience at the time. and I guarantee you have placed a very specific dollar figure bet on how much it's going to be worth your audience, right? O I mean, like these all these companies are paying more then they You know, what was the who was it? or was it Skipper that said none of these companies are making any money off the NFL packages recently? There's a way to do the math where obviously that's true. and like all of the, you know Fox is definitely mortgaged to the hilt with the World Cup. you know, if it just you have to be nervous. It's still we're still in the We're still in the puppy do all guys phase of America's loveve Affair with soccer, You know like that could disappear in a second. You just don't know what you just don't know And, um But I think it's going to work out for thing it's a good b bet. There was been a controversy about Hydration braaks So a soccer match for People like Brian and David has two halves But during the World Cup, once a half, about twenty two minish twenty two ish minutes into the half There is now a mandatory hydration brerake For the players, even when the players are playing inside. And essentially, what people have said is, oh, this has turned soccer into American football because now it has quarters. And we know what happens when you stop playing, that means you can squeeze in a commercial Now Fox has gone to full screen Full on commercials In one case, they got back from commercial ten seconds after play had resumed. Yeah made everybody mad. Telemundo has decided to just put a logo in the corner of the screen. during that hydration break. So we're showing you the hydration brake 're showing you the hydration that makes more sense to me. That's why I never get about these events. It's just like there's exactly as many commercial slots as we offer. They're worth what we're asking, you know,'s like yes, you could have a giant commercial or you could pay us the same amount to put your logo in the corner of the screen You know, it's like that's what we're going to That's what we're asking for wasas an NFL fan, I am just I do not process commercials. I mean, there are so many And they are just so such a natural part of the game. It's only when you take us away at a real key moment and we miss a review or Yeah, an ill timed one an ill timed one. I'm just like But I do think that there's a there's a tangible distinction between the way that you watch the two sports. I mean, I would argue that I agree. There's an extent to which you just don't know ye I mean, largely we don't notice commercials at all anymore in sports But with professional football I mean, NFL football in particular I think it's gotten to a maximum payload where like I find it hard to pay attention to the game because' because my brain is so attuned to not pay attention to the commercials. You know, it's just like It's almost like you flipped a channel and forgot. You know, I'll start reading the newspaper and the next thing I know I've missed like three drives because it's just like it's all just static after a certain point. But you're right, it shouldn't bother us too much. I do think though that there's a very different way like I was going to say, way that you Watch the two things and part of soccer is just the immersion Right? partart of an end I can imagine it does didn't bother me, but I can imagine. I mean, I totally buy that it bothers people and that it's a legitimate crie. I don't know if that's really Americanizing it so much is just You know, making space for the billions of dollars to be made. On Friday, the dueling National anthems were really fun Paraguay's national anthem is called Paraguayos Republica of Muerte Very fun song I thought there was a moment where the team could have been like the old WWF tag team, the Bolsheviks. they request that you please rise for the singing of the Paraguayan National anthem The O anthem was sung by a country music act called Dan and Shay,ers not familiar with Very fami with the name. I'm sure I'm familiar with someong Dude that was the lustiest scene of the national anthem I have ever seen. I go to cowboy game once a year. The anthem down there in Texas is very much enjoyed, very much respected It is not participated in anyywhere near the level it was participated in in Los Angeles for USA versus Paraguay The match began and Paraguay got an own goal at the six hundred fifty six mark Here's John St strrong calling that splits the double team Pac it in the box That sounded fine But for as long as I have known what the World Cup is, I have been listening to the Spanish language calls of one Andres Contour Here is Contor's call of Go Rna's goal late in that match We not a deal Sounds so good. our six It was so long it would not fit the definition of fair use to play the whole thing. That' He's warbling a little bit more now, maybe than. yeah. Yeah started He started off kind of weak and had to reset, but it's just amazing, amazing work Americans one for one, Next US game is Friday in Seattle versus Australia the mall that day, David or eating lunch with your son someplace convenient. Do you think you could just like change your national anthem like as a bit Like it you just like justust change it to something that that'd be funny to play ono the world soccer stage or something like that. something that makes fun of the sport or you're like You know Couldn't like nineteen thirty five America have passed a bill that's like our new national anthem is fuck Hitler. And then we're just gonna to go play that at the Olympics over and over again So you're joking, but When I worked at Slate after nine and eleven. there was a slate piece about should we change the national anthem? Because it was being played so many times in those days and that was like one of the great slate pitches all the time. Yeah To something to the to I mean, to America, the beautiful. Was that the pitch orr was they were all Tically Greenwood might have been in the discussion There all kinds of ideas. It'd be great if we had instead of a nationalem if we had like a What's the word for it? Not a jingle, but like the NBC three tones What does that do? do. Yeah, exactly. If like the entirety of the American National Anthem was just like shaving a haircut two bits or whatever, you know W Dan and S be brought out to do that or Dan that Dan anday, I apologize to Dan and Say. they were they were judges on the voice for at least one season now that I've seen their picture. but But yeah, Dan and Shake could do it. Wouldn't that be great if our national Anthem was just like short and sweet, No high notes. everyverybody can do it. Everybody participates and then we get a big cheer afterwards and play ball Go All coming up on the press box without hydration braaks We check in on JD Vance's book tour And we have more from a huge sports weekend The UFC was on the White House lawn. What ESPN's Mike Breen captured about those magical Nick fourth quarter comebacks K Kafka joins me to talk about Fox Roku and Rupert Murdoch's NFL gambit. All that much more on the press box a partart of the ringer Podcast Network Hello media consonsumers. It's Brian Curtis,. It's David Schumemaker. It's producer Isaiah Blakeley with you on a Tuesday. David. On Sunday, Donald Trump had a UFC themed birthday party on the south lawn of the White House. country had a birthday party, Bri country had a birthday party a place where idiocracy and autocracy touched gloves and came out fighting It's officially called UFC's Freedom two hundred fifty You and I love to make fun of journalists who write the think piece pro wrestling explains American politics Is it time for a new go to think piece? how the UFC pl American politics. Well, I've actually talked about this a little bit on my wrestling podcast today. I think that it does a good job of explaining the state of the right And I say this up front, stipulate as a I say this is a massive UFC fan Obviously, Lifelong pro wrestling fan U Yeah, how to put this. I mean this in the kindest way possible. I say as an MMA fan When you talk about like the big like the Prototypical fan The sort of stereotypical fan, the audience as a whole My experience is that UFC is pro wrestling for people who aren't smart enough to get pro wrestling Like it's the un And I'm talking about fandomir. I've had lots of great I mean, I've been friends with a bunch of fighters. and by the way, all those fighters who oneon will tell you I started training forFC because of Hul Hogan or because of whatever wrestlerers in their life. But then they reach a point in their careers where they have to say No, it's not there's nothing it's nothing like wrestling. This is the real thing. It's all fixed in its own way. But anyway Yeah, I think, you know, used to people used to always draw the parallel between Trump and WWE and there's a lot of reasons why. But like at the time when they were connected, at the time when Trump was hosting WrestleMania' at Caesar's palace, even at the time he was inducted into the haall of Fame, We were all working under the assumption that Trump was in on the joke Right? Now that he's no longer in on the joke UFC is the sport friend H And that's what I mean by not being smart enough to get. I mean, you're literally not smart. I mean, you've become the sort of person who says, you know that stuff's fake, don't you? to like a crowd of people who clearly know wrestling is fixed. You know, it's So what you're saying essentially, and this is part of those think pieces about Trump and professional wrestling is like, hey guess, let me tell you this concept called K fabe You're saying like, with UFC, Trump can just drop the K f part Yes. It's just like I am actually the God emperor of this country and the god emperor of this sport sitting. Well certainly doesn't have to embarass himself like he didn't, you know, some might argue that he did in WWE, you know, just sort of haming it up Um But yeah Yeah, I do think that I mean, listen, first of all I don't know, there's No one should be having like a problem with the UFC fight or the nitro circcus on the White House grounds from some sort of respectability level I mean, this is again, forgive me because I said this on the other show, but like Mitro circus What likeike whatever, Night for a circus or you know, big fooot and gravevedigger driving over cars at your local arena or the Harlem fucking globetrotters coming to town? likeike we're all like nobody is it nobody thinks this is a serious endeavor Everybody everybody in the deepest red state of the smallest town understands that Nicro Circus is buffoonery Right? It's just like a silly thing to watch at the fair Right? It's not like there no one's like replacing the opera. This is not taking over the Kennedy Center or I'm sorry. the Donald J The Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy senator for whatever. I believe those letters came down recently, but it'll always be that to me U I love the double th. I love that even the end when they stuck the letters on there, they didn't have the balls to actually put it on there You know? it was like it was like it was like taped on extra spray painted or whatever like those old show like in the olden days where you had your name painted on your office glass on the glass of your office door and then whenever you got hot fiire or you know, whenatever you left the place, the janner would come and chip the paint off the door. L that's Anway. Um But yeah, listen, it was dumb. It should have been listen, wrestling is the most American product created by in this country and, you know, that's the more natural fit. It would have been hilarious if there had been just to have a wrestling match. justust people Be how great would it have been? just really invite have wrestling at the fucking cororrespondence dinner and watch how quickly all everybody there gets into it. you know, just have like That would be better than a of the b WW dinner. Yeah. Do you remember when WWE had Trump versus Rosy O'Donnell? It was neither Trump nor Ros O'Donnell's like impersonators that were not wrestlers? I had actually forgotten that. Thank you for. Very bizarre Anyway, Um, but yeah, it was, but it was just inane. I mean, I don't know how much money we spent on that And don I mean, it certainly was not the greatest card anyone had ever seen But I'm in general a proponent of like pop up sporting events. and I thought that it was like a cool vibe to the whole thing. I was thinking about Trump's attraction to UFC Back in the eighties, he was very good friends with promoters like Vince McMahon and Don King. buuilt these empires based largely on bluster and showmanship in the end def in defiance of the established caste structure, at least in their eyes, they were always kind of butting up against the establishment In the twenty twenties, Dana White is that person People might forget that Dana White spoke at the twenty sixteen Republican Convention. Yeah The same convention that was a stayaway for every quote unquote, respectable Republican. Remember it was Dana White and like eighteen members of Trump's immediate family and that was that was the whole thing. It was Dana White, a guy from Duck Dynasty and Fran Tarknden That's what we got and Ted Cruz not endorsing Trump from the stage. But Dana White was there alsoso If you shows how far Dana White has come Right? I mean I in just terms of legitimacy. Well, I mean Nobody noobody in twenty sixteen said, what is Dana White doing there? All the respectacable speakers have bailed out, you know, noobody was surprised to see him And then this year he could be a keynote speaker basically. and like it just seems totally normal Yeah, that's true That's true. I mean, Trump has vacuumed all those people into a different tier than they were before. Yeah. I mean, I think the existence of TKO, people having a general idea of how rich Dana White is is probably helpful too, you know If you're Trump and you're looking to preside over a violent spectacle on the White House lawn. Yeah UFC is your go to Oh, as opposed to boxing opposed to boxing or even wrestling. I mean Yeah I mean I think your words fores I'll go one fur. rememember that greatreat Atlantic story about Nikolai Csku into the bear hunts he used to go on. Yes where he'd be in the blind and he would open fire and everyone around him would open fire and the bear would die. There's a little bit of that in this, right? I want to be at the place where the blood is being shed. I think that there is a case for America two hundred fifty. that probably the better thing to do would be to have like a boxing match and like a a very field of dreamsy baseball match and boxing match makeake it like old timey America. You know, like the America that we remember. A horse race. Yeah. Yeah, some whatever. Basically turn it into a Rin fare on the White House lawn instead of whatever they did. I'm down for that But um But yeah, I think UFC is the way to go in terms of like current stuff. It would have to be a real one in a million boxing situation for that to be for that to want to hold that at the White House and boxing the industry, the sport in general is an amazing job of obscuring what You know, a dream match would actually be in just about every weight class because it's so like spread out. Um, But yeah, I think you I think UFC is the appropriate way to go right now. I mean, it's just the whole thing ended up being very You know Maga like FU from Maga, which is how most of these things end up going And UFC is happy to play that role, you know, like Joe Rogan, think what you will about the guy You know P probablyably would have advised that no one said Michelle Obama is a man before the show started, but when it was said next to him while he's holding a microphone, he giggled You know, it's just sort of that that's just sort of where it is. All right. let's you got us to the bigoted junk. That's from fighter Josh Hocet. hereere we go after Hocet was victorious in his UFC match Hey, shout out to Trump for having the balls to put some shit like this on. And if I'm going to say anything There's only one person more incredible than the incredible Hulk. And that's my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now listen E Prerera I w a shama on your mama And lastly, Michelle Obama is a man Ladies and gentlemen, Josh Hulkin I played the extended clip there because People might have only heard the last part of that fromoma. That was truly all over the place includluding a shout out to the man upstairs Great profiles and encourage there too Yeah That was just an incredibly bizarre, incredibly bizarre moment I mean an awful moment. let's say it. I mean, that Yeah mean that's awful. And by the way, what a gift from Paramount to not take pictures of anybody in the crowd at that moment when he made that joke because man you would have captured some laughs from some very important people if the camera had been panning around. That's true It's definitely true I mean, just did yeah, I mean, I get the I get the instinct I don't agree with that, but I get the instinct from you know, the Trump White House in every single instance just to sort of You know, when confronted, flip the bird. You know, it's just like that we don't have to answer for anything and so just we just say up yours And just the existence of this sort of, I mean, just cussing in a I don't want I'm not I'm not some sort of just like You know, I'm not old fashioned or anything, but just having people just like dropping the F bomb on the White House lawn. it just seems like shouldn't didnn't we have some conversation about what to say on microphone? this You would draw a line that the motor cross and everything is okay on the White House lawn, but the F bomb is where we draw the line. That absol That's old fashion ris. Dude, if you were at the county fair, if you were at the Fort Worth Sair. Lvestock show in Rdeo. Oh yeah, that's it. The livestock show in Rdeo. And the dude who is operating you wouldn't put your kid on the on the ferris wheel or the the the tiltter whirl. The tiltter whirl And that there was some like creepy dude there who was just like This fucking machine hasn't worked for shit for a decade or whatever. you would just beir. Should this guy be employed by the countounting fair? Like this is bizarre When I was thinking about Trump and UFC Part of Trump's affection for that outfit has to be that it allows Trump to do trrumpy things Yeah to sit by the cage to do that long and unbelievable walk in he did with Dana White which started in the oval Office And by the way, when I put together this podcast every week, I'm always worried that I' making a mistake that I'm saying the wrong thing and When I saw him leave that door, I thought Oh was that actually the oval offffice there wasy the oval Office? Yeah. And you know how I knew that iss because Donald Trump has helpfully put up a sign on the wall on the exterior wall that says the oval Office pretty sure was not there before Donald Trump became president They're walking in My first thought is this is the trumpiest thing ever This is such a funny cinematic like people are walking backstage, which is another cliche just like people sitting down in a chair Yeah to start an interview in a documentary.'s like people walking backstage before a combat sport I was also struck by the fact that Donald Trump may be the last American man who actually wears dress shoes with a suit Dana White' sitting there in his sneakers Other aesthetics of the night by the way they let all of the all of the fighters came through the White House as well. It seemed they were on like various different hallways or something. They were all coming out. Yeah But they all made the big entrance. Listen, I'm not going to get high and mighty I get on my high horse about that But I just thought it was totally unnecessary Like Well it was also very long, it just took them a long time to get to the octagon. There was a lot of Yeah. Okay, okay. If listen, I understand the idea it was it would be cool if they walked through the White House on the way out, but I was much more interested in the practical stuff. Like were they just dressing in the next room of the White House L it Did everybody get, like like was somebody like crammed into the situation room to get dressed for the show or like They did have lockers in there and I saw it in one of the Oh, really? I mean I said documentaries Some other aesthetics of the night, there was the stare down at the Lincoln Memorial Closed captioning sponsored by Trump cooins. Oh my God, the number of ads that were as part of this thing was pretty funny tryrying to inject pro American fervor into every fight Early on, Steve Garcia from the G city of Albuquerque was fighting Diego Lopez from Brazil And Daniel Cormy, I said the United States has never been the favorite applies to the Iran warar exactly, but okay. Oh, that's greatrect. Yeah, they could they this would have been a perfect spot to USA versus the world. The only problem is USA would get its ass kicked. So get its ass in That's what exactly what happened in that fight U celebrities, we had countountry music superstar Zach Brown seeee if the way Brown and his band were announced doesn't make you have a mini stroke Here to honor America by singing the National anthem Please welcome three time Grammy Award winning artist, Zach Brown Band Three time Grammy Award winning artist, Zach Brown Band Can they take that the that they left on the side of the Cennedy center and put it in front of Zach Brown Ban? because that really threw me off. This happenensed sometimes. I wonder if it's probably just like a like an SEO issue now, right? It's just like the the only confuses people. We don't know how to seve We don't know where you are and like the Uh in alphabetical order And Zach Brown band is the Zach Brown band are they an artist singular? The whole thing was just a real Yeah because it's a real mess person Yeah,'s that's weird. That's like so many iterations from what you would expect him to say Zach Ground band, good luck on them. And being like The most famous controversy old country artist. in the world. Until now. because I he was answering for it. He said he was asked why I didn't cancel like all those other musical acts that are part of the celebration part of, you know, America two hundred fifty. and he said, I'm doing it for the troops great That's it. That's it.. That's the Zachrown ethos. You're just You're there for the troops, buddy U Shane Gillis was also there He was doorstepped afterwards and said he did not like those comments about Michelle Obama Thank you, Shane. JD Vance. Marco Rubio Mike Johnson ESBN's Jay Williams. later went on TV and said this was a better event than the NBA finals I mean that sound you heard was Jimmy Pataro and Burke Magnus' head hitting the desk orting of if it' on a competitive streaming service was better than the NBA finals you listen. It's a one, it's a one one time event You know, what are you going to tell your kids about your grandkids on your death bed or whatever. we're gonna to talk about the Kicks winning the title, David, Come on Okay, let's say they hadn't won Let's say this is just a boring b. Let's take a second O see victory Also, the pope's brother was in attendance and enjoyed Do the Pope's brother get an official title of any sort? It think so By the way I was really, you know, all of those New York Nicks fans went to the finals, went to game, you know, obviously like went to OKC and if you're a super fan, you got the cash more power to you. likeike that's awesome But also Prince Harry or the artist formerly known as Prince Harry was sitting next to Adams overver. Was it in the last game? or am I getting my games? I' pretty sure it was game five, Yeahah. Yeah, because it was inak it was in San Antonio. San Antonio And and I remember and but and all I could think was It's a good look for him to be sitting next Adam Silver, but like why San Antonio Except maybe he got a mayaybe he's like, I'm flying in. canan I go see the Nicks in New York? and they're like, I have a better deal for you. We're kind of booked up in New York. But what if we give you next to Adam Silver in San Antonio? You're coming in for the game anyway. Yeah. bad news. Tracy Morgan has your tickets in New York. But in San Antonio, we can make some space. Yeah The celebrities in San Antonio were so strange we had that Awesome, do the right thing reunion. with Spike Ly, John Tuturo and John Carlo Esposito. Yeah. I kind of just cringe at any celebrity New York Kicks fan but I will allow to do the right thing reunion. Absolutely And then somehow in the picture was Cam sccataboo. Yeah What the hell It's well, it's body to body down there. So every picture celebrity. So every picture of any celebrity wardly has pres a potentially more famous person trying to ignore that a picture is being taken right next to them. You know, it's This is fantastic stuff. Thatamine do the right thing. has he seen a spikelyap picture? I think yes. mayaybe not do the right thing, but definitely he saw he got game or something It's a good It's a really good question though. If he's on win I'll ask him. How much of the just the like what percentage of the net profits have do the right thing? Do you think have just gone to Nix tickets Oh my Godd. I can't remember I think it was the SPN that said like Spike Lee's been along for the whole ride and it had like Young filmmaker Spikey in the stands and then Spike of twenty twenty six. and I'm like, Spikey went to the finals when he was a kid Spikey's been along for That's not the right picture. Like he's not a celebrity fan. He's just a fan fan who's been going his whole life U spepeaking of the Nick series Mike Breen did something particularly well during the He narrated those magical imp probable Nix comebacks. but he also captured feel of those comebacks. Play by play annoucers do two things They use words to tell us what happened. And they use their tone of voice. Yeah tellell us how it felt power that can be abused If you sound like Kevin Harlan on the ceiling of the arena in the first quarter at all times. Yeah peopleople won't trust you as the game goes along? Absolutely true I don't know if I said it last week or if I'm just said it somebody else, but I was I had flipped channels and flipped back to the game, you know, during their huge comeback in game four And then wanted to rewind to where the comeback had started And you really are just using the announcer's voice. I know like the score is there, but it's obscured by the playbar that I'm trying that I keep having to jump around. So I can't immediately see the score of the game But you can tell by by a great announcer's voice exactly. You're like, that sounds like nine points from judging from where they've been. one hundred percent, right? because they're at a seven out of ten. Maybe maybe by that point if it's the single digits, they're like a two Yeah, but they're not at ten yet. Totally true That's the gift. I always think of Al Michaels calling that Malcolm Butler interception in the Super Bowl. Yeah and the incredulousness in his voice told you exactly how to feel about that play. And Breen wasn't doing it with a particular play. He was doing it prettyretty much for the entire fourth quarter of every game in the series. It was crazy. and' still I mean, you if you didn't do it right in game four and he did, you maybe would learn your lesson then But to leave yourself room to go, too Right? You keep inching up the volume, but you have to know that you're there is a fifty fifty chance you're leaving ten in reserve. Right? becausecause because if the Kicks don't don't succeed You never get there. You never get there. Right So you have to you have to pause at nine point eight on that scale. Yeah Leave yourself that room. I mean, this is marathon emotional guidance we're talking about. Yeah. Over the course of hours and hours and hours of calling a game. I pulled some audio from for you. This is from game four The next trail by twenty points in the fourth quarter just under seven minutes left They had gotten the lead down to eleven afterfter an OG Anenobi three So figure out where you are on the emotional one to ten scale there There's a steel and then Carl Anthony Towns got a big bucket at the other end. listen to the of Mike Brain's force. pushing up Harper almost. Oh he does throw it away Almost had a back court violation Ananobi Pound fakes Strives on Limby, goes inside, stops, flips it up, shot is good It's single digits ninety seven eighty eightgain, that's a forgotten little snatch of dialogue. That will not be on Mike Breen S sports Ey reel But you hear that the feeling in the voice The incredulity starting to creep in. Yep You know after the big game for comeback Breen quoted Jack Bucks call Gibson's home runun in the nineteen eighty eight World sereries It's one of my favorite calls of all time. Strike me down, it's better than Vince Scully's call of the same play was on NBC H's Jack Bun Thank you f coming here T Eckersley, Gibson swings and a fly ball to deepright fld. This is gonna be a home run. Unbelievable. A home run for Gibson. And the Dodgers have won the game five to four. I don't believe what I just saw green quota jackbook. But he really didn't have to because he made us feel that disbelief. Y A great postgame interview after game five Lisa Salters is with Jayen Brunson And you know, David, I love to be the td in the punch bowl when it comes to the post game interview This is one of those cases. Lisa Sw the punch Bull news is we. I'm the Jake Sherman of post game interviews Lisa Salter said, You're a champion. What is this moment feeling like to you Mh And it's one of those instances where Honestly That's a fine question. The questions really don't matter becausecause it's such a cool moment The Kicks are winning a title for the first time in fifty three years. Jayalen Brunson's plate absolutely out of his mind. He's Tears His answer was not memorable, but it didn't really matter because all we needed to do was see his face. D him react ye have announcer who is smart enough to Keep asking questions Not overdo it J just elicit what you could You know, and there was a moment she asked Bronson about his dad, Rick. What it meant to win a title with him on the bench and he couldn't answer and She said something like You know, you can see it in your face and he you can see it And it was just That was fantastic. It was. I will say though, it does Um, It does expose a fatal flaw in the Curtis technique which the Curtis maneuver. The Curtis maneuver, whichich is also the Saltest maneuver. just the Salt's maneuver Wh which is to just ask them to explain the big moment. What was, you know, what happened, right? What was that like And once the finals is over, we're done with the Curtis manoeuver No, I know, but the but the but in every game moving forward now if someone just said Tell me tellell me what happened in that last, you know, down the stretch, giving them all the air that they want If a player were not interested in talking, they could just shake their head and say there's no words and stare up at this guy. evenven if it's like game a game three win over like a crappy team. If you give them enough space, if you give them enough freedom they can just alect Plers love to no answer questions. so I think that's. That moment with Salters and Brnts really reminded me of World Series twenty fourteen Madison Bumgardner for the Giants. Remember that old country boy from North Carolina, Madison Bumgardner He goes out gets the save in game seven. He's just dominated the worldld sereries And Fox' Kenny Rosenthal went out there. and I remember right, people were chantning his name just magical and all you just had to do is sit there with microphones Yes, great. U last note on the finals Tim Legler Mhm Mikeler's good Tim Legler knows a lot about basketball But if I may, may resume being tred in the punchbl Brian. I am diagnosing case, perhaps a mild case of Stan Van Gundy's disease which is that Tim Legler loves basketball so much. He loves to teach basketball so much that sometimes he doesn't know when to stop teaching. Game five. Brunson had a little floater with about one hundred two left. the Nicks up to. they would never trail after that. The ball's going Excuse me, the ball's going back the other way. Fur have the ball the pain on the other side again They're down to with less than a minute left. Yeah And Legler is still talking about Stefan Castle's contained defense and how it let us down on thatrunson floor. It's like My guy There's one minute left in the finals. The story is Jaylen Brunson is awesome. end We do not need to do the summer basketball clinic right now. Yeah. We can we can teach defense later. And he'll get better at that, I think He will, but I it did feel like there was a timing issue and not just the kind that I was talking about, you know, feeling where you are in the game that you that you brought up earlier It did feel like there was we kind of an uncertainty to the way this whole thing was called and experienced by fans because The Kicks made the two comebacks. So it wasn't there was never a point where you were secure in their way So like I said, you got to hold if the if the lead guy has to hold little in reserve The color guys have to act like nothing's happening until it's happening in a certain sense, right? because you can't you there's, you know, if the Kicks were the ones up by twenty, then you could have started telling the story in the first half But the Kicks are launching the comeback. It's really like in the middle of things The whole your every call is just reallyally spur of the moment. So it's so it is it is it was a really incredible series to watch to experience just for that reason alone And This just You know, it's cool to see the next one It's cool to see a team win that everybody can agree it's a cool thing to see them I reluctantly agree with you It is cool to see the next win. U lastast one before we get to the overword Twitter joke here And this just started happening right before our pod started today, but JD Vance's book tour has begun This is so sad. goo ahead JD Vance has a new book. out It is calledology two Well, no, it's called communion, finding my way back to faith And he began his book tour on The view. C which is distinct from Katie Miller's podcast terms of its receptivity to JD Vance. I believe Isaiah has a clip here is the vice president of the United States visiting with a host of the view You got the question Yes, mrter. Vice President. in your new book, Communion, you write about your personal evolution with faith from evangelical to atheist Catholic. C convert. And you also explain your evolution similarly on Trump from calling him America's Hitler to America's best hope. Now As someone who has admitted to chasing ambition, which you write about in the book in the past, but now says your faith brought you back to your priorities I have to kind of use your own words that sit with me from twenty sixteen Fellllow Christians, everyone is watching when we apologize for this man Lord help us. And I think about that all the time because as a fellow Christian, that is something that weighs on my heart as I watch this country and the leadership at the top because it's also something I have to explain to my kids, which I know we also share this idea that our greatest privilege and responsibility are these young people we're raising? Of course. So help me find the words to explain to my children what they're witnessing right now Well, you know first of all, it's been well covered that I was a critic of Donald Trump back in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. Now obviously, I'm sitting here as the vice president of the United States in the Trump administration. Well, Joy A little humility. Uh A couple observations. First of all, does any kindind question begin Mr. Vice President ot in this day and age excessively formal. to start, that means you're always going lower the boom. Also that was an incredibly long question. Such a wineu Understand what she was doing there because what she was essentially asking is like, you're saying that Christian values got you to where You are now But you denounce Donald Trump in twenty sixteen in explicitly Christian terms So how does A square with B, right? That's what she's asking. someomehow we got to how do I explain this to my kids Yeah kind of a funny way to ask JD Vance on a book tour How is that going to go poorly I mean Will he do on I guarantee I' Wh there's actually frosty questions. Yeah, I should have done the I should have done the Google search before we started recording this, but I guarantee we can find a clip of him going on The view in twenty sixteen or whatever when Hill Billy Elegy came out and just them filating him You know, like he was just the toast of the fucking town which I think a lot of people rightly realize was just real ill placed praise even at the time But it is worth noting that like if he hadn't gone down the path that he's currently on, JD Vance's new book would be like a literary moment. You know, it's like the new Obama memoir. You know, I mean, it's like, these are your these are your politicians that can write. Um But yeah, no, it doesn't really matter anymore. Now the book tour is going to be this is going to be like the least political stop on the book tour Um And yeah By the way, JD Vance having a big day not just because of the book tour launching but because they're officially putting because Right wingers who are scared to who hate the Iranian peace deal and are scared to go after Trump. but started officially calling it the Vance deal. Have you seen this? Yes. The Lindsey Graham Vance is the architect of this deal, tweet? Yeah, but tweets actually referring to this as the Vance plan and the Vance deal Dangerous stuff for JD Vans. I mean, I think that gu Well he He been on his go ahead, go ahe. Well, I just was going to say, I think this gets to the question of like him writing a book at all when he's vice president. This is very unusual Yeah. tootally too be on a book tour while you're in office But if you're him You're going to run for president in twenty twenty eight That requires of most people that they write a book Pio's written the book, Chr Murphy' written b Andy Ber' got a book coming out this fall So What you're doing is a normal presidential candidate thing. then that puts you out in the world in an interesting way. Um it makes you defend things you normally wouldn't be defending on the view at this point in time your whole record, your conversion politically and otherwise that is that is part of the tension here. What is they I feel like this is a question you would point at me What's whyy must you write a book Ask this a little bit rhetorically. Certainly it would be inane to not take the cat the check that is sitting there waiting for you to write a book you know, right as you're about to be a big national figure or continue to be one in a larger scale way Is it just Oh is it just a three hundred page press release? Is that the benefit to the to the candidate to have to sort of set the story straight on all of your backstory you know all of your growing up and all that kind of stuff and and also steer the conversation about current stuff. You have a chapter about each major thing you would change if you were president? Well, that's going to be fodder for all of your interviews. Like is that it? just steering the conversations of a campaign That's part of it And as someone who's been involved in booking some of the people whove I'm going to run for president in twenty twenty eight on the press box I think don't underestimate the idea that everybody's just scrambling for attention Oh yeah ye, you know, these people are big to us. Because they're big names to us. You know, in the populace at large, like a lot of these people are relatively unknown. Jie Vance is not one of those people But if we take like, you know, the fifteen people that might run for the Democratic nomination. Well, dude was the attention. Tim Wall was a ran for the Democrat for the VP last time and people would have forgotten who he is except the crazy right wingers that still think he's, you know, letting the devil end of the country. So the book is a way that you say, okay, you know, the publisher' putting you out there, you're doing interviews, you're getting on loc. It probably helpes to have a PR person dedicated to this for a while too. Everybody in media knows how to get you on the, you know, how to how to book your appearance when you have a book tour coming, you know, coming. Yeah you get relationships with media people that you might not otherwise you know, you have relationships with reporters at the Times and Wall Street Journal and Washington Post, but you're also getting out into You know, local news. podcasts that you might not otherwise be on I think I think that's I think I think it's I think it's those two things at the same time probablyro. But with Vance, what's funny about it is like, does JD Vance need this? I we can we can have so much fun with Vance versus Rubio, but JD Vance is the overwhelming favorite to be the Republican nominee in twenty twenty eight, book or not I saw some people talking about this and I totally agree I mean, I think in some there's some like M There's some probably esoteric way of looking at the odds where like you would take the field over, you know, any candidate You know, and that would probably be the smart thing to do But in terms of like specific candidates, like you I mean, if it's a name by name thing and not a none of the above or whatever else, JDVant should be like ninety five percent. againg versus all the other name candidates. He's the one person I would not take the field against. I would say I take the field against any Democrat. prettyretty much just because as you say, the odds, but like Jady Vance Like it would, again, it would have to involve a Donald Trump Yeah but is it that's not off the board. Yeah. I think I think that that's worth the field. That's worth the bet. I mean, it it could be maybe Eric Trump could fucking run for president. You know, like you don't know what's going There's so many weird things that could happen U, But yeah, no, but but I agree. He should be considered by far the favorite. on the Republican side. does he need it? Well, I don't know, man, he's been running basically his own PR shop for the past month, it seems like. I'm sure much longer. But like separate from the book How many stories have we gotten from like anonymous sources that have that have direct like transcripts of what he said in the meeting about Jeffrey Epstein. Like there there's no one is no one is disguising themselves more poorly in anonymous interviews right these days than JD Vance. It was just like, according to people who know, JD Vance almost wore a red tie this morning, but decided on blue. you know, And it' like there's not that many people who could tell you that tidbit U by the way though Maggie Hran and John the Swan Book is on Tues Yes but believe there will be a lot of stories you're referring to. Yes Um That exactly to. I wondered if we made that clear enough last time. It's like the Habberan Swan thing was a book and not just a New York Times excerpt article. It was an excerpt of a book I think we did say that clearly, but but I was worried about it after the fact. We did. and he was he was he was the one saying we got to get out out of the Epstein files. Yeah. He was also the one saying, don't go to war with Iran Yes in the two excerpts I think he also said, free candy in the cafeteria at lunch and recess all day every day. twowo of the most important platform positions that he unatedly said out loud Coming up in thirty seconds, Fox just bought Roku for twenty two billion dollars What exactly does that mean? But first David, let's do the overworked Twitter joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time Senior nominees at the Pressbox pod where they are always, always gratefully received Last week, David, you might have seen that South Carolina repepresentative Nancy Mace flopped in her bid to win the GOP primary And that states governor's race It was an overwward Twitter joke to post a picture of Mace nextxt to a picture of Riley Gaines with the line Conservative women who placed fifth Thanks to Adam Walton Bagh and Zach Brooks for that. 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He can be seen having brunch at some of the very best restaurants All over Brooklyn Peter, welcome back to the press box Brian, I'm delighted to have another Ruula meeting with you at some point in the near future. Thanks for having me Theyon'll mention it' be mobed next time we're there Uh We're here because Foxbot Rotke The streaming company for twenty two billion dollars You wrote in your business insider column that Fox's interest in this kind of business goes back to Rupert Murdoch. How so Rupert Murdoch spent a good chunk of the nineties and the early two thousands and spent billions of dollars chasing after the idea of owning the next generation TV God This was at the beginning of the Innet era, but we're really thinking about it being the five hundred channels era. How is anyone going to navigate that? And his idea was if you could own the real estate that helped you figure out what to watch on TV, that'd be a very valuable thing to own. analog version where we would just see, hereere's what's on TBS, hereere's what's on Fox News, etcetera. Yes, because you weren't considering streaming things back then U And skip ahead twenty six years or so, and his son Loughghlin has now done it for twenty two billion dollars. He' bought basically a version of that Owning Roku gives Fox the power to do what They reach a hundred million households You can determine what that means a number of people U So it's very valuable real estate. You can show them ads. you can show them ads for your own product whether that's Fox News or Fox One or Tubbe or anything else. U you can make money by selling subscriptions to other people's businesses. If they sell a subscription to AMC plus or HBO Max, I'm guessing, they get a bounty for that. They can also sell ads in front of those other streamers' products, they can just sell their own ads. So there's a lot of different ways to make money for Fox and it fundamentally I think changes the scope of their business what their business was up until This week, they've been in the business of showing Fox News, showing NFL games. kind of it U and, you know, playing around on the edges, they've gotten into podcasting a little bit, but that's the core the business was showing essentially one TV network and one TV product. And now they've got a whole whole new suite of things they can sell. And there is a distributor not a content company You're referring to that Seaan Hanity podcast. It looks like a sports bar where guys hang out If you say so, I have not watched the Sean Hannedity podcast Who were Roku's competitors Everyone. U Apple. I mean, anyone, anyone that sits between you and the shows you want to watch U So that can be your old style cable guys. You still have a TV guide It could be Apple, which is Apple TV, which allows you to watch a bunch of other stuff from other people. YouTube is in that business, Amazon is in that business. Samsung is in that business. I'm sure I'm forgetting others, but there's at least a half dozen real competitors for that space. They don't own it. They don't own the TV guy Rokus interface you wrote has leverage over some of these streamers But the leverage also goes both ways, how so U So most of the streamers that appear on your in Roku City If you're a Rku user, if you're on your Roku screen are paying Roku some sort of bounty to be there, some sort of fee. whether it's a sale for whether they're paying them when they sell a subscription or selling ASpace, whatever it is That is not the case for YouTube and Netflix. Those are the big giants in streaming. Roku went public in twenty seventeen, you could see in there financially, they said, we make zero money from YouTube and Netflix, and that is as clear an indicator as you could ever get about who has the power in that relationship U YouTube and Netflix have to be on Roku But Roku has to have YouTube and Netflix and it seems like sort of the arrangement they've made is, okay, you get to be here for free, more or less, and just stay on here and that works for all parties involved Fox famously set out some of the early stages of the streaming Wars instead of trying to put their own streamer to go up against Disney plus, et ccetera They just sold the studio to Disney How does this decision square with that This is them saying, yeah, yeah you guys all killed yourself to lose money selling streaming subscriptions If you remember the early days of the streaming Wars, Disney and all these other guys spent gazillions of dollars selling stuff. Remember when Disney pllus launched I think it was six dollars a month U saying we're going to we're going to sell this stuff at a loss and eventually scale, right And then Wall Street turned around after a few years and said, Actually, that's a bad idea. you have to make a profit. So these guys have all spent a ton of money and they speent a ton of time now trying to make their streaming business profitable. Fox never had to worry about that Um And it's been kind of interesting because it' sort of like well, what will they do? Are they really just going to be in the NFL and Fox newews business And that is where they've been for the last few years. And they said, actually, we're going to sort of change, like I said at the beginning. We're going to have a different kind of business. You guys can still kill each other for content. spending billions of dollars on content, you're just going to come through us to show that content to other people So we're not going to create a Disney plus, but we'd like to sell you a subscription to Disney pllus and take a little bit of that profit and put it in our own pocket. Exactly. That's so fascinating You and I have both interviewedSPimy ESPN and chairman, I should say, Jimmy Pataro over the years. And he said that he wouldn't mind if his ESPN app turned into an interface that allowed you to buy and access on other networks. Is that a similarish business to this one? They Everyone wants to be in that business. Even Facebook tried to be in this business for like a minute and then bailed out. But anyone who has people coming to you to watch television in some way Um, Why not try to sell other people's subscriptions as well if you can pull it off I don't it's interesting that ESPN has not pulled that off yet. I don't know whether they feel they can't or whether that's just going to come down the pike But yeah, if you've got a screen and people are watching it, why not try toll sell more stuff? Is the logic behind all of us While we're talking about Murdch, I wanted to bring up this big Wall Street journal story. from a while back that reported that Rupert Murdoch went to the White House in February and told Donald Trump, Hey, the NFL' is trying to renegotiate our TV deals us versus these big bad streamers that are richer than us. And then Trump opened up a Department of Justice investigation. Well, no, no, no, the Department of Justice happened to open that up. Donald Trump didn't order the Department of Justice to do. That's not how things work in twenty twenty six, Brian. You' notice, Peter, I just said then. I didn't There was no causation implied at all. Now the NFL is so important to Fox's bottom line, before this Roku deal, you could argue was the most important thing, maybe other than Fox news to Fox's bottom line. How do you read Rupert Murdoch's gambit Vsretty interesting because after that story came out, and it was a pretty extraordinary story. It was also extraordinary that it ran in Rubert Murdock's Wall Street journal. Um which generally, I think operates without Rupert Murdoch's involvement, but he still pays attention. After that story ran, I called around and expected to hear some kind of messaging from Fox and from the NFL saying, this is all overblown They are unhappy with each other And my sense after a day after this Roku deal is announced, they are still unhappy with each other And the NFL feels like this is a move that could give Murdoch even more leverage over their product, which is pretty interesting There's an analyst note out yesterday that says more or less the same thing from a guy named Rich Greenfield a lot of people pay attention to U So I think Fox sees this sorry, I think the NFL sees this as sort of an aggressive move that that gives potentially gives Fox and Murdoch even more leverage over their content flip side of that is Ox has to have the NFL They're not going to not have the NFL. So in the end, you know, are we it's not going to leave it's not going to leave Fox or Fox would not want the NFL to leave. So what does that leverage really get them? Does it get them better placement, better games? they pay slightly less for for the rights to show NFL games. I'm not sure. but I believe that both Murdoch and the NFL thinks this is a shit in Murdoch's favor in those negotiations And Fox would gain leverage because they are selling you a subscription to something to a streamer that would be showing NFL games. They would become the gateway to NFL programming in a way. They're a gateway to all programming. And again, I can't imagine Fox saying we're going to persuade people to not watch NFL games on Fox, but maybe they are less excited to show ads for Paramount promoting an AFC game or whatever it is. They've got a lot of different levers on that home screen that they can move. Again, it seems kind of crazy to imagine them using it to sort of the NFL in some way since again, they are in the NFL business theoretically possible It also seems crazy to go to the White House and talk to the president again in those kind of terms about your most important pro. By the way, the president is suing Rupert Murdoch personally in addition to his properties for ten billion dollars the for an Epstein letter story they ran last fall which got kicked out of court, but Trump has ref filed that. That Lawsuit has not gone away I still don't fully understand how things work in twenty twenty six. So that lawsuit is kabooky because on the one hand, you're seing telling I want ten million dollars from Rupert Muroch, on the other hand come to the White House and pitch me R are. You're saying on a lot of levels, this isn't personal, it's actually just part of a larger negotiation, right Yeah. And also kind of personal. And kind of personal And but we'll shake hands at the end of this and figure out how we can work together, maybe Donald Trump veryy transactional Murdoch And again, any mogul this transaction, Rupert Murdoch is incredibly transactional. After Foxpot Roku is the NFL entitled to say, Hey, so you guys were interested in streaming after all, huh? Yes. and also maybe we start those those those rights negotiations that we've been debating when we're going to kick those off. And by the way, if we open the negotiations early, we're essentially saying, we'd like you to pay us more sooner U Maybe we reopen those more quickly. Maybe that's the NFL's response You've written about this and I've talked about this, but the whole argument. about how much of the NFL should be on broadcast television versus how much should be on streaming. It's fascinating. I feel like I have a neurological event every time I read one of these stories becausecause it's very hard for people to agree on the terms of the debate here You'll see people write, you know, it cost a thousand dollars for me to watch my favorite NFL team play anyone you live in the same city where your NFL team plays because it should cost zero dollars if you do in fact. Yeah, and it doesn't cost a thousand dollars. It's Yes, if you bought every possible streaming service that has an NFL game, could you rack a huge bill up? Sure It's also a historical. This is the old man of mean, like In the old days, you didn't get to watch every NFL game. You got to watch Three four, including Monday night football in a week U So there is more product distributed to more places. and yeah, it is a big deal that you now have to subscribe to Pacock to watch an AFC playayoff game That is a new thing, right? In the old days, had if you had an antenna and then eventually a cable subscription, that's all you needed. now you need more services to watch more stuff part has been But even there, you have to factor in that you can cancel Pacock twenty four hours after the game is over and imagine trying to cancel cable in nineteen ninety six. L that was hard and that took a lot of work. And now we can push a button and say, okay, I paid my fifteen bucks or whatever it was for the month freelar. And that's very much a real thing. Churn is the thing that kills all these streamers. That's why when you they do sell like a chief's game, you know, you got you got to pay pay peacock for this. They're going to frequently try to get you to get a three month subscription or a twelve month subscription because they know that a lot of those people are going to turn up. goes back to this idea, how much of the NFL should we be able to watch for free? That's that's the key question here. Is it Thursday night football and Monday night football and Sunday Night football and my local team Is it something less than that? Is it more than that? Like that's what it all comes down to at the end of the day. And you can play with how much this cost to the consumer and how much is this in there? but reallyally what we're debating is how much football should we be able to watch for free every Yeah Yeah, and also how much footb Can you watch Like I know I don't lot. I mean I think the average American is literally watching like forty hours a week of television. It's a full time job, but it's kind of hard to imagine these people are actually watching all besides Bill Simmondons are watching all of the games You don't work at the ringer. There's there's certain requirements. We have to We have to punch that card every week here. Um Lastly, before you go Peter, Ive gotten this note from a few readers between all the reporting about David Ellison and Lchlin Murdch Can we finally retire the word scion for media reporting Um We don't like the word or we don't like we want to replace it with N it might be overused I don't know. I mean, I think it's the definition of used, right? I this is what these people are. They didn't build either of these businesses themselves. So that's why we're using it to just communicate to the reader, to wink at the reader every time, even in August places like the New York Times that, hey, these guys didn't. make all their money themselves, they inherited their money. My version of that, where I plant my flag is whenever possible, especially with the Ellison stuff, I write Larry and David Ellison Larry and David Ellison's pareent They did paperwork when they were buying Paramount and they made it very clear that actually Larry Ellison is the owner of Paramount. And then when people saw the paperwork it was like an FCC filing, they had to go readjust. He doesn't control it though.'s But it's Larry Ellison's money that has purchased Paramount and about to be Warner Bler's disiscovery. Same thing with Fox That's what that's your way of saying, hey, dad in on that deal. Yeah. My dad bought me a Toyota Turcell after I graduated from I had a Tll too. All right, Peter Kafka Business Insider, the channel's podcast We're overdue for brunch Thanks once again for sitting on the press boox All right, it's time for David Shoemaker guuesses the Strained Pun headline. Yeah Last week's headline about catchers in baseball taking foul balls in the groin was Ball strike system Today's headline comes to us from alert listener P. Marty It's from the California Post I gott to say as a Californian since it' much bally hood journalism u founding This story, though, was a good one for that paper, David Eless days long vote count out here in California As the state counted all those mail in ballots. I want you to think of Slowness and brokenness ponder, what was the California post's Strain pun headline. sllowness and bro I mean, this is I'm not saying that incredulously. Slowness and brokenness. Maybe more brokenness Broken down Yeah. What's happening? What's happening here? What is the occasion Forever the election It's election dysfunction or something likeh Oh, we're so close. Eysfunction., thank you very much. tile dysfunction is the answer there He's David Schumemaker I'm Brian Curt. Production magic by Isaiah Blakey You need to follow us if you will On Instagram at Pressbox Ringer. 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