Final Conspiracy Board Recap

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If you're listening to this episode, one episode covering the Bear already exists in this feed, and then the other episode will drop on Monday So Van and Charles will be here for all your bare needs, and we thank them for their service. Who do you think is the Sous chef in that arrangement and the Van Charles dynamic? Like who's really takaking the lead on that thing? Van would have you believe it's Charles, but I think it's actually Van U Yes, chehef to Charles Holmes always. It could be. emmails from listeners. whereere can folks reach us if they have thoughts about K here? Thank you for asking. They can always reach us at prestigeTvspotify. com. Clean, simple, just email anytime. or If you're emailing about Cape Fear, you should definitely be emailing Think of a baby carrot at gmail. com These toes are not going jar themselves. I've always said that Um Shout out to our listener, Tim, who sent us a Savannah centric care package We got it sort of mere moments before we started recording, so we will be digging into it in next week's episode, but are we going dig into it like a truffle pig I prefer not to do anything like a truffle pig. Thank you so much for asking our listener Eli wrote in on actually one of my favorite subjects, which is Wh is allowed to use an Apple product in the show? and who is not allowed to use Ale? Very important. So in case folks don't know, Apple has had a rule that if you are using an Apple product in the movie, the bad guys are not allowed to use Macs or iPhes et cetera, et cetera U, which is just like actually genuinely hilarious Like lest anyone think that Apple itself is evil because Javier Bardem is using it in this show or something like. The Blue Bbble gang is not a real gang is what they would like to say. there have been exceptions, though, Haven't there been a couple times where the line is fudgy a little bit? But sometimes if you're watching a show and you're like, is this person evil or not, the hint is sometimes are they using an Android or not . Eli wrote it and he said, Wow the Apple agenda. Elie wantoted to say we have we have most of the characters using iPhones and MacBooks except for Mac's phone whichich I assume is because they don't want to show an iPhone being cloned They're willing to let voice meemos apps be used surreptitiously? Do you think that Apple has been more lax about letting quote evil characters use their products, especially in their own shows? This is an Apple TV I noted in this episode, when Natalie is in vain texting her pal Amber, AKA, Na, those are green bubbles So I think Ammer does not have an iPhone or she's blocked her I mean Look, as I understand it Double texting ever been blocked Have you been blocked? I haven't but I think that's what happens. Oh my Godd, The bubbles go green. I think they go green. It's the most brutal sign of all. But as I understand it, the double text already is a sign of desperation. Oh, of course, no the wall text on one side of the text.xt double texting. Yeah really se look for A we should note, Zach has already revealed at least that he knows some information or I mean, we'll get into all that Anna has told that. also this is not this girl is not who she says she is. And here's Nat. It's not her name. She's Max Katie's kid. She's been doing She's been tasting something that belongs to your brother And she thinks your nipples taste the same as whatever it is on your brother's body and thatat's like I should text her. should reach out. Love does persist. Okay. someomeone who signed their email CRL wrote in and says as an attorney I just can't fathom that Anna doesn't know about Max's half sister if that is who Juliette Lewis actually is. And we add a little bit more evidence one way or another inside of this episode. Did we I said one way or another. I'm still I said one way or another. So evidence of something Information.. we got information. when a this letter goes on when defending him, his family would have been the first stop for interviews. You want to know who in his family is alive, who isn't, what do they know? Can they corroborate anything that's helpful for you? Can they hurt your case or help it? You would one hundred percent at least speak to any living members, especially immediate family, so that you could either utilize them as a character witness or be prepared for how prosecution could use them slash discredit them So yes, Tom should know about her too Pes. Are we locking that gate yet? We've got a lot of emails about this where they're just like Mell, lock the gates. Why are we not locking the gates of this particular household? Ver simple solution. Great question The lawyers overall, I would say, not thrilled with Cape Fear Oh, really. We've just been getting a lot of emails about what lawyers should and shouldn't know Yeah. the way that cases are reversed and people are released from prison or not or exonerated or not and on what timelines Let's just say it's all been expedited. Okay, this is not a profoundly legally accurate show is what you're saying? Not yet. Unlike something like Boston Lgal or something like that. I mean whoo are we to challenge this credibility? That's great. Okaykay. S for you, unimpinged. Chris wrote in to say Chris addresses his email to Trashter Pace Robinson Shadow Mahoney. How do you feel that? I have no choice but to accept it, I guess. Okay, I love the pot. Thank you so much. Inspired by your prompt, I'm here to talk on screen Southern accents. W do they typically suck ranging from forgettably off to guess we gota fight now On Capeer, Amy Adams is failing us Gloria's fail show, most of all herself He says Pwell, Patrick Wilson. Patrick Wilson's been in and out of what I'll call folksent. half measure of dropped G's in slower pace. Most of my worst peers in singer song wrriter Dumb adopt this to indicate folksiness in lieu of actual southernness There is this is just me now. there is one specific drop G in this episode. Yeah Can I just do my like earliest my really early most bizarre line reading? Of course. I'm not even sure this is my final choice But when our fave, Lexi Microdosin Like I'm thin of changing the card of the corbord from microdosing to microdosing. I think we should. Yeah, pretty great. Apostrophe mandatory. Yeah, absolutely. All right Mica wrote in to say was thinking as I was listening to your most recent trash repeace theater recap of Cape Far. It's catching on Soup in the nation really is. When Cook Shadow doesn't. When Zach says that Sfia doesn't know the full story possible Novea somehow had access to Sophia's picks and sent them from Zack We know that S Nvea is pretty tech savvy with a WiFi jammer and chatting secretively via games Amy Adams came mir his X phone so easily, why can't Nvea She seems pretty hell bent on destroying from within and is not shy about considering violence, i. e. brandishing a knife when Cally's dad came Our lister Kevin also wrote in to say And I think we had a couple of comments to this regard. when Zach is listening conversation with Sophia, right? He's having He is having a conversation conversation with Sophia, but a lot of our listeners were like Was that actually Sophia or was that sort of an AI Sophia? And then in this episode We get voice memo, AI voice memos from Tom So no, I think it's straight a voicemail. It's like a voicemail box. It was a voicemail. I think it was a voemail over. And it's like left on her screen as if it's a voicemail from Tom's number. R. So either the number has been spoofed or someone had access to his phone. and certainly wasn't the one saying that he's a man and gonna stick up for her and stop rubbing against me, et cetera. A against me. you'll see what happens Yeah I also had this thought about last week's episode as we were going through it and going talk about it. I was like Is this a thing or to be totally frank, did this actress who's playing Sophia just make like a weird acting choice at the at SadD? Yeah, because Kevin says, if you look at that art gallery scene closely, Sophia seemed embarrassed, her mom and brother were being so aggressive and like she certainly doesn't want to speak to Zach But she doesn't seem to have any interest in being mean to him or torturing him, which is what that phone call was all about Plus some of the language the phone call strangely mirrored what we heard in the chat in the pool that Zack had with his dad, this distinction of being a quote good or bad person and why Zack needed to be forgiven. thenen quote Sophia specifically saying, I will never forgive you We already know that Nvea is almost certainly hacking things in and around the house. Is she even recording any conversations to? So could that phone call, voiceement, whatever from Sophia have been fakeed certainly Yeah, you know, and the fact that like Zach goes from that directly to I need to see you to Nvea It's like the perfect thing to push him into her which is, I guess what we're saying. So At first I was like, I'm not sure. and then this episode happened when we get the AI Patrick Wilson for dropping G's and all. And I was like, oh no It's definitive. the table man. I mean, just bad news for us. As two people who have spoken professionally into microphones a lot. you even more you much more than me, but Oh they've got my fulls. They know what it sounds like when I'm tired, when I've got a head cold. like it's tough for me out here, honestly. I think we have said enough random shit into these microphones. They could really piece together any sentence they want. They've got cuck shhadow for both of us, so, you know? What horrid things could you unveil just from us saying cuck shadow repeatedly into a mic All right, this episode is called Faith That's about why it's cofff Oh, we meet a character called faith, d. We do literally meet faith. Just remember that. And we meet faith pulling up her like favorite televangelist sermon. Do you have a favorite televangelist seron? No, I don't. Okay. Um I would say the closest wait, what do you have like a YouTube comfort video? Do you feel like something you pull up regularly or just recurringly in your life where it's like, you know what? I need a little lift today. I have like two of my favorite songs of all time only exist in like YouTube format So I will like listen to them. Would you want to shout me out? What we got? Youre gonna leave me hanging Any other university Okay has an acapella group Now I see why you stop off short. Call called straight no chaser. Okay Their version of the song worldorlds apart. I'm gonna play it for you later. It's one of the best things I've ever heard of my life. I can't wait Tell me your comfort video and why it's better than Indian Universityities is talk about. I think it'll be self explanatory, why it's better. Mine is a video of Beyonce singing Halo. That is. in I want to say it's like a break room at a hospital. It's like they've gathered a bunch of nurses and doctors at this hospital. Yeah. and it's just like The single most breathtaking a capeella vocal performance. L they're both a capella. I mean they arere a capeella. So I guess they're the same. They're not they could be says Beyonce. But it's like, you know what? Let's just dial that back up again. And the algorithm knows and just tries to reheat it and serve it back to me. I just tell that YouTube now just has that video at the top when I like open YouTube. It's just that video waiting for me and they're like You want to hear it again, don't you? And I do. You've had too many bad days. That's not a good sign cry for help Okay listen question about Faith's house. Yes What is the highest number of candles you've ever had lit in your house at any given time. You know, I was thinking about this when I rewashed Romeo and Juliette recently. the Balean for Romeo and Juliet. and they go into the family mausle. specify? I hope not. Yeah. But at the end, like in the mausoleum scene, I mean there are I would imagine thousands of candles lit. and I was like, why don't I do this? know? But also who did that? You had to sort of like, I mean, obviously a PA did that, but But how many takes, those candles are literally burning? Yeah. And like the way theyre positioned you had to like lean over to get so many anyway, I have a lot of questions. So many sleeves caught on fire. What's your answer? The answer is of my own volition No more than two. of my mother's volition, I can only dream. like reallyally? I mean, she's a candle enthusiast, but Okay. Like the holidays. I mean, kind of all the time, but certainly the holidays. Okay. I will sayre they scented moreore neutrals and as time has gone on, she has transitioned to a lot of fake candles, I will say. The flickering pllastic light. Oh, I know. you know. Yeah. sometometimes you got toa do. This is what happens. that the Christmas tree becomes fake, the candles become fake. Wow, you know ust a metaphor for the American experience. Should I call it that comfort for you? Okay episode five Faith, written by Peter Blake, directed by Stehven Maybe it's how you pronounce that name. Do you want to start? Well I want to talk about a bigger thought I had watching this episode. Yes, this episode inspired some De fs for me. I know that this show is purporting to engage with the specific anxieties of our era But I was struck in this episode particularly when both Anna and Tom are suspended from their jobs A like Do I feel wholly comfortable with some of the anxieties that this show is engaging with. And by that I mean And, you just can't shove teenagers in front of cars anymore because people are just watching you all the time. This cancel culture bull. Absolutely Um, or the whor or like What if the hot baby at your office like gets you into microdocin and rubs up against you and then an AI version of your voice sends a voice you know, it's just so like, I don't know, it's just these like people fears of scenarios that are never going to happen where they feel persecuted when they're like completely innocent. And I'm just sort of like, I don't know, I felt a little weird about it. Well, I think what works for both of those things is obviously they're not both completely innocent. but there's like an exacerbation of the stakes and the punishment that's like Tom has certainly walked a line. He's crossed it a couple of times clearly. Lexi's right about that, But then she's like now I'm blackmailing you for HR. And I'm like, okay. But I think it it's also like well, for one, okay, yeah, the blackmail scene is what it is. She's not blackmailing him. She's certainly not threatening him, but she's elilluminatingent would threaten him to and about and regarding. And what would be the result of that HR investigation Really the thing that he gets busted for is I think what she determines to be an authentic voicemail, right that he's actually leaving these weird messages. Well, sure. that's yeah, as you say, that's the escalation, But I just think that Lexi's whole like I don't know, you flirt, like This sort of like me too, you flirt with a woman once and she's going to report you to HR and sheays your, you know Balls in a vice and like all I don't know, it just bothered me Anyway. I think look, the show is not very subtle about the theme of this week's episode. about really anything, but certainly like we are being bashed over the head with a cowry shell totem that you know what perceptions reality. It doesn't matter what it is, it matters what it looks like. And literally everything that happens in this episode is about what stuff looks like. How do you feel veteran TV actress, CCH Pounder felt about just getting to say the clunky thesis of the show. I think the check cleared. Okay, great. Let's start with Anna and Nevea. Things I'm adding to the board. And we should say we're going to bring out the corkboard at the end. We're going to do all the cards at the end this week for our Cape Far C conspiracy Ckboard The Dragon Bong and canedfish are definitely going on the board. Oh, is it a dragon? Is it not our dragon? I thought it was a Gator bong? It was a g. Oh, that makes more sense. Let's check the tape Okay. confirm kind of reptile it is. was becauseuse I was like puff them at. Okay, but like Gator,' sorry, what was the second recommendation? Oh, canfish. The can't fish. Okay I have many thoughts. One Yeah, I'm a little curious. You raised earlier this week the idea of If you wanted to smuggle any snack into a movie. Oh, what would you smuggle? Yeah. Had you already seen this episode? No, because a friend of mine brought Cudid to the toy store and that's why I asked. I forgot there was a whole Cud conversation. You're right. N the idea of bringing canned fish into the theater. I would not Billing it on someone If the iPhone is the clearest signpost we have, they're like, hey, this character is a hero. Yeah Bringing tinned fish into a movie is just I mean, one of the most evil things you can do. Absolutely. Diabolical. So this is, of course a reference to De Niro in the ninetyies Cape Far when Max Katie is obnoxiously smoking a cigar and laughing loudly while the Boden family is trying to watch a movie and it's sort of like his like he hasn't even to them yet. this is their sort of like first brush with him and they're like, whoo's that guy? How annoying And then later they're like, oh oh, it's D Neniro and he wants to kill us So u So Nvea sort of like standing in for Max Katie, which is appropriate given we've already seen her do a couple things that are very Max Katie coded and this is his daughter. and can believe what you want to believe about how much she is operating on his behalf or not. Wh Where are you standing on that I think she's operating on his behalf quite a bit It's so tricky to know where the lines are though. And I think especially over the course of this episode, you have this sort of like dual manipulation happening where Nvea is like setting up Anna, hookline and Sinker to just walk into all of these various traps after this Maybe she knew Anna was following her to the movie, Maybe she did't. Maybe she was as surpris as anybody when her Gator Bong session was interrupted by this woman who just wants to have a chat in the middle of babe pig in the city. Don't you think you're like, don't worry. I know it's babe pig. How could you not? Don' you think a Dragon Bong is cooler than a Gitarbong depend on where you're from But also look, you would think that, you know, you're dragon minded these days. How did you tell about the fact that This is a big time for kissing your mom on the mouth I already told you it's incest summer for me. It is. That's just like that's just a subcategory of incest summer. It was just watching this stuff like basically back to back. I was it was really striking. You know, I guess I guess there's a movement developing. I guess. Did you freeze spray Mahoney the film posters outside of this particular rep? I certainly did. Yeah. They're very funny. Prime of the century. Yeah. The laawyers secre guuilty as hell and dangerous waters a great time putting those together. You can only imagine that they did. Really good stuff. Like it was one of those moments where I was like, ooh, let me look at the film posters. then I was like, oh This is bait for me to look at these film posters and be like, I mean, the lawyer' secret is That one is pretty tasty Femo. To circle back to the Nva point. I think I would guess it's a combination thereof, where I believe that there probably was a sincere kind of frustration over her father being taken from her and maybe she even reached out to Max initially. like expressing frustration and maybe she even wanted to get back at the Bodens. Maybe she ascertained that piece of it for herself s true to the spirit of this show and so much of the manipulation that happens. There's like the germ of the thing you actually feel. and then there's Max Katie like just fanning the flame, you know, just like really piping the oxygen in to get you burning even hotter and hotter and hotter and driving you toward whatever the fuck he wants on a given day. What do we say as of last week? So this is episode five, we're halfay through this is the halfay markark of the season. The episode ends with this big like Don D, that house he was touring was across the street. Honestly Oh God. A very funny reveal. It really good. It's really good Um. but Would you say as of episode four, there was some like plausible deniability about whether or not Max was like a bad actor in all of this? And then more a number of things. G to the bar fight where it's like so clear the way he's looking at the security camera. Yes, how much he's setting up Tom and then obviously the AI voice memo or voice message Um that this was just sort of like Max Katady. Yeah. he's up to no good It feels like it feels like the Bodens are becoming increasingly aware of it, E just like Tom being a little bit more on booard being convinced that this is happening. They're a little slow on the uptake. T. Are you drinking, I guess You don. He's really stepping at it. just left and right. Yeah. I think just in contention for the dumbest person on this show T dumb to live, Tom, Tom Bowden this week. We're gonna to find out he has some competition this week, but I can't say he's making great choices out there. All the bods. The Bodens collectively. I don't know, we have notes. The kids are not allright and yet we're still like going to the club and getting drinks with people or whatever it is. likeike why are we not home with the children is a question that I have. There's a more simple answer. entropy I know what entroy means Thatad I believe Um, All right, let's talk about color coding in this episode. Yeah we've talked a lot about the matching blues, how much like Amy Adams is dressed in blue, Max Katadyie's dressed blue, et cetera, etera. In this we get the shift to the greens, Max is in this like, Herbird Dem is wearing like one of the most beautiful green shirts I've ever seen in my life. Incredible color, looks like it might be silk, like just really beautiful and then Juliette Lewis shows up in a green dress and she's obviously been wearing that like green slicker this whole. So like she's a green coated character and he is matching her inside of this episode. And then we get the the moment with them in the cigar closet. What is that called? I believe they're called the cigar locker. a wine locker at as we know, the club. That's not the club. That's not very fun You know, cigar locker shouldn't have a fun fancier name. That's why they bring the fun. Okay You know, it's a very normal setting. Do you feel like they brought the fun into the cigar locker this week? They brought a lot. Okay. A lot of conflicting energy, a lot to parse. More spit than I was anticipating. Okay. Did you appreciate that move from Max Katie? I gotta say I've never seen it before. like the open mouth kiss open mouth the spit during the open mouth kiss. That feels like a level of tongue dexterity that I'm impressed by. It wasn't so much Open mouth kiss in the traditional sense so much as one mouth completely covering the other mouth. Yeah and then shotguns spitting directly into it. Look People are into different things. People are innovating all the time. She didn't seem to like that one. Do you think this is in the script? I think Javrier Bardem is like, you know what? I got just the thing. Do you know who I believe is a really let's do anythingthing scene partner? Juliette Lewis Of all the things she's experienced, Yeah, this is like fifth percentile, weird. It is Dank and dirty and I'msetting, but I really loved the nuance of all of this because You know, she's her own bananas, you know, self when she shows up and she's like, Ohh, hi Max Hence see running into your here. L amazing stuff. They're in the cigar locker, I guess. And he seems like Drawn in by her, like ensorled by her to a certain they're in the cigar. Yeah yeah You know, he's like angry that she's there, uncomfortable that she's there. and she's like, I know where you live. likeike she knows before the Boddens do. That's why I guess she was on in a street when she's like looking for Max N and is like This is my house dumbedumb and Actually, it's Max's house too But he seems like you know, he says nasty shit to her. He calls her like delusional and sick, which could feed into these like incest accusations from our listeners or whatever But like he's also like, he's the one who initiates the kiss with her. Yeah And it doesn't just seem to be sort of u punishing and manipulative, it seems like he is sort of like under a spell or old habits or something like that with her. Well, I mean, let's even back up before that. I mean, when he first sees her. I would say you want to go through this beat by beat. I really do that. Yeah, that's great. What's your read on his initial reaction? I would say it's the first time he has really shaken up Max Katie in the entire seriess we need this. We do. Like this is different from the movie, but I really like this element of like someone who puts him on the back foot when he is like So in front of all these other characters on this show. And are you getting from Javier Bardem's performance? Like is it fear? Is it anger? Is it something Is it some of the above, all the above, none of the above? And like shame? I think definitely some shame in that mix. And then the kind of spell that you're talking about, it's almost like he's physically resisting it And then as soon as she kind of like touches him, he like leans into. She crumbles.. I mean, it's the performances here are awesome. It is very confusing. It's a lot happening And when she's like, you know, I reach into your dreams every night and he was like, wasas that you? You know what I mean? it was So weird. But just like the way he melts into Yeah her Arms, person, Bosm, whatever you prefer Can I say bosom or will cancel culture come for me? Anyway it's already cancellled. but rest assured now the AI generated slob version of our podcast can say bosom anytime at once. Great. Anything else you want to say about Juliette Lewis. Are you more convinced this could be his half sister or less convinced this could be his half sister? I mean, more just how Clearly and flagrantly the show wants to dive into incest at basically any time. You're a disgusting delusional freak Be near you makes me want to vomit. Well let me correct you on that because I would say if anything, this is my nominee for the weirdest line read of the week. The being near you makes me want to And then it's like a fifteen second pregnant pause It's a very noical sh Oh my God. What are we doing with our lives? you It's always me Max. Like this is just this show is incredible. onene thing I did want to note, maybe we'll see the origin of it maybe we won't. But Julia Lewis has this like very prominent scar on her cheek I we see up close and personal here. And you know Julia I actually I was like, does Julia Lewis have this? No, she does not. it's not a character st. So mayaybe it's something from their past. mayaybe it's something from their escape from their weird father It could have come from any number of gases. It could be from Max himself. But don't worry. she sorted it all out with the right pills, so she's completely fine now. We got those dosages Yeah nailed now down. We are very in support of you know, medical help you need it for mental health issues or whatever I' say let's reassess the dosage on this particular character. You don't chn't strike you with somebody who's like perfectly well adjusted in her situation. I don't think so. To be fair, you don't know what she was like before. That's right. I don't know where the watermark. So could this could be the highest it's ever been Absolutely. All right, let's talk about okay, you you noted earlier in the season and I had missed it that You know character art, whatever. Paul Schneider Mark Brand Anwowitz Parks and Rereation or Elizabethown Fame, if you prefer. Elizabethown a movie I've seen so many times. You know what I do prefer. Yeah He's cur out me U He's playing Detective Grayson. Yeah Uh, I love I think he's great at this. He's bringing like Paul Schneider. Cable like I think early in his career, he tried to play some degree of earnestness. That is not his speed. No Sarm is his speed and he is bringing it here. I mean, it's the same reason why Margarita Leviva has never played the earnest open hearted person in anything she's ever appe it. She just has a face like she's hiding something unfortunately or unfortunately And yeah I mean, this is fundamentally the reason he did not work on Parkson Reck because he could not match the earnest register of the show. and he's too cynical for what the show became. Y. So he's got to object. You know, we got to get him out the back door But here, I mean he is exactly the antidote. He's what I wanted to the insanity of this story and also just some of the deliveries are wonderful looitering, shoplifting, attacking with a frozen fish. So Nevana's out here like all kinds of fish crying. That's the thing. Yeah A lot of a lot of fish related harassment. Yeah Shes also living in like a maggot tom. How did you feel about that? Not great. Yeah. Fish stuff go. Is that a thing? Fish stuff stop. But ye the Maggot tomb. With a skull that I'm a little concerned was a possum skull, I really hope it wasn't. Oh, which possum are IP Maybe she took its energy Is that a thing that witches can do? It know. I'm concerned for the wish posossum. Yeah. Anything else you want to say about Detective Grayson who like is not here. Well, what I love is that he's carrying resentment Twards the Boden family from the beginning, right? He's like Tom used to put me on the stand despite my unsavory character, right? Like was that I thought that was just kind of cutting up with your old kind of c. No No, I thought he was like, you've never liked me or respected me and it's your contempt for me has been clear and now I'm in a position to make you squirm. See, I read that so much more 'cause Tom was a prosecutor. Yeah. So it was more like the prosecutor and the cops working together to put people away. I think it was like despite my unsavory character made me feel like Tom made him feel like he had an unsafe home. Oh, no, I think that was just kind of like Look this old guyose being dudes Rose being dudes, this old guy, but this old guy is me. Guess what? I'll take word for it. I don't know when I like Bros are dudes together. I was big Brosbian dudes' energy. Okay. An anything else to say about Detector Grayson? Only in conjunction with, I think, a broader problem with this episode, and I would say a broader problem with television in general TV shows need to stop trying to make memes This is like the whole like Neveya jumped up like a mountain goat thing. Ohate o did she No I say what mean we herear I don't you meanant I think you meant like They're trying to make a it. You mean, they're trying to capture what it's like to go viral on like TikTok or whatever. and you're like, it's not this. I'll tell you that much. I mean, the remixed version, first of all, no one is saying she jumped up like a mountain goat You don't know what they say in Savanah Georgia? I feel confident about this one. No one in Savanah Georgia is say. They might say that she's jumping like a mountain. Certainly. I'm hoping for some adjustment, but as a basis, that line is not happening. The like attempted remix aa two thousand nine tough Not a mean that's going viral. And certainly this cop then referencing the mountain goat situation It's just not a thing. Like this is not a plot point Do this feel like a real Hey feellllow kids sort of moment from Cape Fear? I don't know, but it activated some TV related trauma I can't quite place. I remember the TV show clipped about the Donald Sterling LA Clippers scandal, also tried to do some like timeline surfing, meme creation. but I feel like some other show we covered did. L maybe it was Maybe it was disclaimer It was like there was something where There was an attempt at a meme. and it was like, oh, not like like this. Absolutely not like this. This episode is brought to by Netflix. 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That's how I feel. Well I want her to stay on the show. So if that means she has to get away with it, so be it, she also clocks Tom and Lexi point blank immediate from across the room through the glass. Can't even hear what they're talking about. Yeah. And they're not even touching each other or looking at each other and she's just like, I see it. Just body language. But on the color theory front Oh pink. Well she's come in blue suit Yeah. Tom's blue suit. Lexi's got the whole pink number, like very very like pastel pink. Al also maybe silk shirt. She and Anna are both wearing pale pink in the episode. Yeah I don't know what that means. I just wanted to say colors. Well, no, like, I mean, Anne apparela is like, I guess Tom has a tpe and it's women who wear past off pink. Sure. But no the mirroring of the alleged murdereress and Tom. I mean, clearly, she's looking to get on his page in many respects, but they have an alignment of a sort. She's not wrong. She's like, Tom, you're distacted.'res distracted like all the ss I just really liked her and I was on her side the entire time Lexi, I'm not on your side, I'm sorry I just want to I think I want to say that I'm on Katherine Buckleys side because I like to be a girl's girl and will be this murderous girls girl. I not to be a girl's girl with Lexie at all. So this woman who's been a victim in her workplace predated upon by her boss. And now her boss is trying to take her off the biggest case of her career. Right. And you're like, yeah, fuck her. Yeah Maybe women shouldn't have drugs. What do you thinkin? I actually think she made a compelling case when she brought up the drugs and he's like, those drugs are from you and she's like, you're my boss. You shouldn't have taken it. That was the most correct thing she said this episode. I fucking cackle. Yeah. It was incredible stuff. On the drug front, maybe we can ask Lexi what those drugs are But also we can ask our emailer Amanda who revisited episode three And among, I want to say her remands description' try tostand it as accurate as possible. The audio description subtitles. for the hearing impaired Yes say specifically Tom drips LSD on his tongue. So exciting. First of all, bunch of listeners are going to be so mad if it is LSD because they're like no way is LSD D. Okay. But also We've been like wondering what's going to happen with this drug vial. Yes. LSD. I'm excited to find out what goes wrong. A lot of things could be happening. Yeah could go a lot of different places. A lot of people could be macrodsing by the end of this season. and frankly, I'm excited to see it. One can only help Speaking of controls upbs Natie problem Apparently, A drinking problem. We wnder where she got that We were wondering open container that she was carrying around in the first episode when she like walked through the neighborhood to find Zach. And then through her her beverage at the Qoto podcaster. It was so weird 'ause that I was just like who walks around with a beverage like that But if she was I don't know if she was already sneaking booze or if this is a recent development, what do you think? I mean, that would have been a time. If you have snuck booze into the house and you need a time to kind of covertly sip on it. I guess while you're going for walker on the neighborhood and not in your house? Yeah, yeah. What do you think of this? I mean, I think bring look, bringing the booze into the house, b idea for many different reasons. Yeah. A accusing Anna of drinking again. not good I would have to think at some point this season she does drink again. Dare you. I'm not saying I'm not don't woman in recover You know, a fairpl the way that Z, I mean, Zack absolutely creep showow this episode, can't wait talk about that. but the way that like Zack says like started early this morning. You know, like it makes it seem to me that this has been an ongoing thing with Natalie. This isn't like a, you know, we saw her drink at the party But like this is the first time we've really seen her sort of like you know, pour a flask of booze into a container at home, but it seems like this isn't maybe a new habit for her. The line from Zach especially, that's the damning kind of this is a habit. This is a recurring thing needs to happen under certain circumstances given what the parents do and don't want in the house. but It's not good for anybody involved. Okay, we're not parents But let let's put up this thought experiment. Say you come home, let's say it's not even your child Any person you Whyly coming home to someone else's kids? Just a person is in your home that you care about. Okay anyone. Anyone you like care any little bit about And they're standing in front of the fridge and they're staring blankly into the fridge and the entire kitchen is trashed I mean, first of all Rob,'re like what the f did you do my kitchen? That's my first question. Also, you're running the electricity bill upp by leaving the, you know Why are we cool in the indoors sort of like moment? Actually, my first question is this island is beautiful. When did I get it The matching glass tupperware that they have, which is great and beautiful, was definitely in the Maggot tomb. Like The Va has definitely been taken some that was her mom's. That was Faith's tupper Re really? Yeah. When she's raiding her own mom's fridge. She's grabbing a bunch ofuppware out of it Well, that's some really nice everywar Glass tpperware is like on a different level, I think. You gott to preserve your stuff. Okay. And you need that real seal on it. It's very important. Okay, I'm so sorry. Anyway, thank you so much for coming correct on that. You come home, anyone you care about doesn't have to be your child, standing in front of a fridge. has trashed your kitchen and you're like Are you okay You do doing it all right And then they like creepily advance on you and are like, I love you Ma or I love you Rub or whatever. and then they leave. And you're like, okay, this is a good moment to leave this person alone Now I understand that she's like, ah, I'm scared by my son. That makes me realize that Faith is scared by her daughter. so I can go and back to her and say like, Hey, you're not scared of Max rightry, you scared of your teens ' teeenens are scaary. They are scary But Zach is just doing weird shit all over the house and nobody is paying enough attention. And the fact that Anna wasn't like Absolutely desperately alarmed She was just kind of slow and curious When she came upon him in the kitchen was so strange to me It is the speed with which she and Tom move on. Anytimes act as something weird. Nat, I want to give Nat credit. She at least when he's like muttering to himself slash a totem Yeah is like What's going on here? Like yes may you still have all your toes, your remaining nine toes, valid question under the circumstances But yeah there will be a moment of concern. And then they just veer off onto their various side quests with no concern for their kids or their family, which is why I feel like we are totally justified in saying that they are terrible parents.rible parents. Truly awful parents Absolutely terrible. Again. you know, I understand that he's having a tough day, but for Tom to like and you know, he's with his lawyer Pal at the club right G advice on what to do about Lexi or whatever continontuing the night to drink with Max, a bad idea for like nine hundred reasons. That's why Tom's on the top of my leg. Never go with Max Katie to a secondistant location. else David But like, He's doing all of that and Zach's at home Doing God knows fuc can what What are we doing? What are we doing here You were just like distraught over taking your kid to the art show in which he got dressed down by another adult for the time that he allegedly maybe kind of sort of somebody definitely did leak this other girl's news. And youre like time for a bender. He is distracted. You know what? The murdereress is correct about that. Anna also clearly distracted Murderress alleged murdder. I just think they could take even a moment to care about their kids. It was even striking with Natalie when Anne is coming clean with Natalie about Nvay, I being like I appreciate on the one hand, she brought the receipts. It's like, here's the ID. right? Here's some proof that this girl is not who she says she is. Here's most of what I know, not all of what I know because it's TV. What can you do Don't tell Zack Don't tell Zach that part I could see a parent doing that. Is it when Natalie's like, rightight 'cause she couldn't possibly love me. And Anna's like, I'm gonna let that go unremarked upon. No Acknowledgementsoever. Honey, of course someone would love you. You're so lovable. You're wonderful, just not this psycho. So's m you another nice A second for reassurance. horrible Cpletely unremarked upon. Yes. reallyally bad. So you know what? I'm going to exonerate all of Nat's sex tple texting desperately later in this episode. Maybe, but like not only does Because not only does she learn all of this stuff from her mom, but like Zack knows. Like she doesn't tell Zack, but Zack already knows, which means that Nveya told him Maybe Not only that, but Nevea told him shit that Natalie said to her when they were in bed at Calie's, right? I'm not sure if I can love him. Yes. It was the specific thing that she said to Nvea that Nvea I mean, we understand why Nvea would weaponize that on Zach. Your sister's not even sure if she can love you, but the fact that he knows that, why would Nat still want to talk to the person who to Zach orry it's tangled web. It is a very tangled web but let's, I mean, we're here with Zach.an we jump straight into his stuff? Is that okay We're already here standanding slack jawed in front of the fridge. My proposal to you. Yeah is that what we see I mean agree or disagree. What we see in this episode is not really Zack at all. but Nvea inhabiting Zach's body I'm being one hundred percent serious right now. likeike he's possessed. So the last thing we saw I think I think she is straight up possessing him. Is it him or is it a possum? pos I don't know where the possum is at this point. We need confirm the possum's whereabouts. But the last thing we saw last week's episode Hold on, hold on. Je you got, you got to walk with me on this. Okay. youre right. Last week's episode. Thank you The last thing we see after Nveya has said, o, you can come see me over text. Zach shows up She blows whichitch dust in his face and says let's play. That's the end of last week' epise This week Is it which just it's official ign You know what I'm notalified to comment on the names of any drugs anymore. I think we're gonna take that away from you. Okay This week's episode I think you would agree he's being fucking weird the whole time. Yeah. Weird energy from the jump. Yeah. Now that could be weird energy of you know, Nvea slash Angel has told me these things that my sister said, that she's been with my sister. This is all weird. I'm being removed from the situation and just kind of commenting on it. and I feel high on my horse as I navigate this episode I don't think that explains the weird smile. I don't think that explains some of his behavior with Anna. and I would say for me The clos thing we're gonna to get to a witchust smoking gun Episode opens with Nvea Talking to her mom and calling her mom We've never heard Zacha refer to Anna as Ma And then when he is in his fridge hypnosis mode and snapped out of it He says, I love you Ma Um, You want to put Possession on the board? I think we simply have to have ever been M The so hard by you R. You're welcome. Um I want to say one thing too. The subtitle on Nveya's comment to her mom lists it as M, goodoodbye mom at the beginning of this episode. I think she definitively says M Joe Anders, who's playing Zack Boten his wonderful. Like he's not remarkably human. like nothing about his behavior is human. Yes. but it is compelling and unsettling and horrifying and also like weirdly charming. Like when Anna's like What's that thing you got? You like I don't know Iound out by the garage He He's being a real weirdo. Here's hereere's my Yeah ' I'm going try to meet you where you are. I hope you can because I have more evidence of this theory. You know, we got more. I'm so sorry. I didn't to interrupt. No, no, please Is Naba Is she in the basement? I don't think she's this. Really weird moment where the camera goes into the grates and we hear like creaking you know, And then it goes out the grate into, you know, and it could be just like a fun camera move, but like You know, it could be a posum. could be a possum But she's missing. Where is she? What if she's just in the house Every time we see Zach, we don't see Nveya. we don't know where she is. I'm just like I'm just throwing it out here. But I look I agree with you the corporeal cororporeally be the same person. It would explain a lot of different things. But this is also my this is also my suggestion as to like, does Zach actually know the things he's saying because everything he's saying is something that Niveveya knows. And even the weird like speaking of incest, like Nuzzle to kind of kiss that he plays off as I smell alcohol in your breath, but there's clearly something fucking weird happening here perhaps something weird if like two people who actually have had sex together, but one of them is inhabiting somebody else's body is bringing a strange energy to the function. I'm just like so excited by this idea that you think there's actual like possession going on in this show. I really kind of do. That's a new level of Trash or Pacece theater. I really kind of do. I think look minimum I support you Thank. Thank' absolute b. I think at minimum hypnosis. Oh yeah So Well, drug induced hypnosis is very plausible to for some reason. posossession? absolutely not Another thing we should say, we've been like sort of I would say tip tooeing around this the way that like Santaria is being used in this show The fact that faith is like his own kooky religion that he's made up. He made it up. So like Perhaps he took the teachings of Santoria and his like And something a suggestion we made. Yeah perverted it into his own thing, his own like Katiism or whatever. And so Kidieianity? I don't know, we can work we can work How about Kidieianity. gives a show cover and like Is this we would do if we were responsibly practicing Santoria. No. That was Apple Eagle on the sh. Mbe not. Maybe not. So Max just made up his own shit. Yes rooted in perhaps the Santara practice. I mean, look, there's a lot of strange stuff going on withith the magad den, with all the bones, with the candles, with the toe jar And I'll say this too about the general food situation when Zach is sort of like sccooby doing his way through the boat and fridge and whatnot Also kind of mirrors what Nvea is doing in this episode. And so I think at minimum, whatever kind of communing is happening, I wonder if it makes you like ravenously hungry. It's like All of a sudden you are You just like cannot be satiated for whatever reason. Possession seems like it would take a lot. It would take a lot. That's what I'm saying. You to carve a load. You really do have to load up. Yeah, absolutely. O else What else do you want to talk? Oh on the fridge front, the light, like because we see Z that kind of staring into the fridge light as it beeps and beeps and beeps I was wondering if it had any connection to two Max Katie things One, We see him when he's having his like Cub interview with Dabitha, the journalist Uh we're introduced at it sc, he gets kind of like a Reflection from a swimming pool kind of teal light as he's like staring into space. I do like same colors. Me too. We just name them. Me too U don't know what's going on with that But like there's a weird light thing that it's happening with Max all season where it's like kind of what activates his trauma for some reason. Maybe that's because of the injuries he sustained in prison. Maybe there's some deeper thing with whatever All that sort of like wincing exactly Yeah high whining sounds of thing. So I think we're just getting like so many light based cues I'm like like what is it about the fridge that Zach is like transfixed on in this moment? Like what is it that has him like pulling in that direction? And I really don't know, but there's just like a lot of stuff happening I can't wait to find out. A couple other pieces of information we have. This sort of like Kape Far River imagery of the giant cross by the river that we saw in the flashbag U returns again in postcard form, right? A postcard to Nvea where it's like someday I will take you there Isound thad I think it's a promise. You think it's a threat? It's both. Anyway, it's just a reminder of that location and I have to imagine the show's going to take us there at one point to that cross on the bank of the Cape Fair River. Gotta be. Yeah And this is where I'm curious how the show deals with faith in more familiar contexts Like all of the Christian imagery that we have traumatic There's a lot of trauma associated with it certainly doesn't go well for character faith in this episode, but like this giant standing cross. like what does it represent? What is its kind of looming nature? Yeah I can'tait to get the bottom of that Can I call it a closeed caption moment? So when When Max has taken Tom to a second secondary location. Don't do it D't go Closeed caption, tense sensual music Pretty good Do good Gone on the board. Let's talk about Ollie. So so Ollie, which is Ethan Everevery's character. We we have a name for him h shows up at the bar. cannot be a coincidence the bar that Max has taken them to. So do you believe that even though Max sort of like introduces himself to them Do you believe that Max is the one who sent Ollie Trish to the pool in the first place? I think maybe so, but maybe through an intermediary of some way. Because they don't seem like they recognize him, right? I don't think they recon too dumb, sorry. Yeah, but too dumb to play along with this charade if they do indeed recognize him. They feel like part of Max's manipulation, but like unwitting victims of it in a sense, right? Like he's the one hitting on Trish and kind of like provoking Ollie in the process. He's the one who headbutts Ollie and then backs out of camera frame to just like let Agro Tom jump into the fray. Perfectly executed. I really so. Yeah. And so yeah, I think she has a sense that they might be at this bar, perhaps. like that they are pieces that can be moved around the board, but I don't think they really know who he is at all. That's what I'm saying. It's like I was rewatching their faces to try to see if there was any sort of familiarity there and it really did seem like they didn't know who he was, but he could still be involved in the whole three inch m Media area as you say it may be used Nvea mayaybe Nevea possessed someone in order to make it happen. Maybe they had Tom's fake voice leaving a message somewhere or sending them a text they to dropping by the pool All soak your feet. Okay, listen. I really do think Tom is like candidate and too dumb to live But also inside this episode, It does go to the scene of a crime. This is the only nominee handandles the murder weapon Listen, I'm not a fancy Savannah lawyer. Yeah. but I have watched a TV show or movie and here's what I know. you don't pick up the knife and or little cowry shell statue thing Yeah handle the murder weapon. Why would you do that? To all of the murdderresses out there alleged or otherwise. tell the murdderresses you've known before. Don't put your hands in the blood soaked instruments of death and then don't get the victim's blood. You're not not your victim, but somebody else's on your clothing. Yeah. onn your phone. And then think about calling the cops but don't Every move bad, everyvery move bad for Mna. going there bad. Yeah Lingering bad. Yeah touching the evidence much worse Yeah. Wellon't do it All bad. I mean given your Niveve is possessing Don't laugh. Perhaps the answer is Seriously, perhaps the answer is both of them, but Who did this murder Was it Nvea or was it Zack? or was it Nvea in Zack's body? or was it the witch posossum I don't think it was the witch pososs. Witch poss innocent Please I think it's Nvea in some form. I'm going to say that. I don't know which one, but I think it was Nvea. I also think it was Nvea. Yeah. But like, do you think that Anna thinks it might have been Zack? don't I think Anna is putting the pieces together that like they're being framed. and maybe this staged to look like Zack did it. Right now there's like evidence' the last person, I mean, Anna was the last person handling that shit. she put it in recycling bin. I think it was just the garbage. It's a blue bin, was it not? anyway. I don't know what the color of the bins are inish Savanah. Shehells don't recycle. I don' know. I wouldn't buy I agree with that. I'm saying An, I get it together. Okay. Although let's be real. Savanah, Georgia That shitits going in just the dump anyway. Rob. I mean, let's be real about what's happening at a recycling facility. Really nice care package from some in Sanah, Georgia. Why are this murching? I wantanna be real happening mostost American cities That's true. That is a fact that actually only learned last year. It's tough. It was a real like, what do you mean? Yeah. The recycling is a lie. We're doing all that work for nothing. kindind of a lie. I do a more bins come on. A lot of like washing out of containers and carefully analyzing what numb is allowed to go in there. My friend made fun of me becausecause she's like, that allll go to the dou. That's just so we can sleep at night I still don't. All right. In light of perception being as important if not more important than reality, do we want to run through just like some of what's out there now as ault of this week's episode? Scurity footage of Tom absolutely beating the shit out of Ethan Embry National Treasure, Ethan Emb whichich that doesn't play well. No I wouldn't be surprised if there's now some footage of Anna in a bloodstained shirt running out of that house. So did you interpret that Anna was being led to Faith's house to begin with Oh As part of Nvea's scheme? No, but I think it's like a sort of crime of opportunity. Bea Nvea did call in her own missing person. And she was trying to frame Anna for for being missing. I don't know that she was necessarily Give In terms of like Max and Nvea and what they're ever able to orchestrate. I think can you can be both smart and ten steps ahead of these of these dumboddens but also you have to be nimble and like sort of be able to like pivot where you can. So it's like Max approaches Tom, gets information from Tom. It's Tom who's like, hey, someone at work is sort of like pulling some shit on me, you know, like he hands all of the information to Max and Max does something with his. Yes, but Max already knew, right? Like Max shows up just as Tom is telling his colleague about Lexi and what he should do and is there to conveniently talk about like, oh, this is a sore spot for me, alleged murderer when you're wrongly accused. Like I think there's a level of bugging happening at the Boden house for sure. mayaybe even their phones. like I don't know how, I don't know where all the recording devices are, but How vulnerable are we Apple? I mean, right? Yeah. but There's so many coincidences. I agree with you about the opportunity. L there's times where whether it's Max or Nvea, whoever, however many people are involved in all this are picking up the ball and running with it given what's like Nvea didn't plan to get hit by a car. I don't think. That was just like this happened. Let's play it But she sprung up lack of mas. She certainly did There's just so many times where Max shows up at the exact right time with the exact right line of commentary or request to needle or to provoke or something. I feel like the Boddinens are definitely being recorded. Oh, I really agree Yeah. I just don't know that I think Nvea's like, I know. I'll report myself missing and then Anna will be at the police station the exact same time. My mom will be there. and then they'll meet and they'll have a couple interactions. and then I will bash my mother's head in and Anna will show up and put her dumb dumb lawyer hands on the murder weapon and then we'll have footage of her smeared in blood leaving the house. But if that's true Why did she or somebody else kill her mom Neva seems ready to kill anyone at any time Does she not She't seem great. She wanted to go Gremlin mode on like Callie's dad who she doesn't even know. So like, Her mom who she already like has a very strained relationship with. Exactly. at least from her perspective. Yeah I mean, we should note that faith does I feel very strongly that Max has like contorted or manipulated Nivevea into whatever form she is in. changed her. Yes. we don't know what the before was like for Nivevea either. you know before her dosages just changed. Do you think Max possessed Niveya from prison? Maybe taught her how to do it. Okay. You can't really long distance That's possess. got it you need proximity. This is maybe a toe. This is't a last Jedi situation. Like projection has its limits I think I broke you. J, I need you to prepare for the fact that she is one hundred percent possessing That's just the thing that's happening on this show All right, All right, we should mention before we go that Ray and Anna share a scene in the car surrounded by a lot of beard and moss. We did get emails from some Svannah folks who said they only shot for a little bit in Savannah that I guess they took a bunch of bearded moss with them to Atlanta and like ruin it about the place, like just flung it into trees or whatever. It's authenticity And so when Anna and Ray are like parked in the rain on a street and there's the trees over there and there's just like a bunch of moss dangling, like that was probably placed there for that real authentic Savannah feel. I thought Atlanta as Savannah looked beautiful. Gorgeous.. You could like almost chew the air there. But yeah, Rayan and Anna have this conversation where he's like Leave it alone He said that even after. Uh Max Kittney walked up to him and said Hi ard, I've read, I'm jealous. Like as he should the advice is not this guy's innocent. It's like, you need to stay out of this. like real consequences are falling on your head right now because you're acting out of pocket. Like the perception as Tom lays out as literally everyone lays out in this episode is what matters. And then what does it look like? And then Anna, who has always reminded me of Thanos is like, ine I'll do it myself. You know. It's really the only way she knows how to do it. But to me this was so much about like, yeah, she's going to basically the last person she has left to go to that she could confide in with this stuff. and it's like Tom doesn't believe her at this stage Natalie hates her guts. Zach hates her guts. I love you, m? Well, that doesnn't even happen She doesn't have that affirmation. You know, clearly she's going through in Nv. She didn't get to finish baby picking the city And now Ray's like, you know what, you also need to stay the fuck out of this. Which do you prefer babe or babe pig in the city I feel like I actually like to be big in the city better. Well, that's a very you take, honestly. I don't know how to take that, but I'm sure there are many of us. So the Boddens are isolated and disparate in this episode. One of them might be possessed. the other is you know, but both the Boden parents are out of a job or at leastion Do you feel like they they're United again as a family unit when they're standing all together on the porch regarding Max walk into the house across the street from them. Maybe more than they've ever been Sand Zack just there I don't know what's going on Z. I mean, clearly I don't know Zachack is actually Noa. Yeah. Yeahah. okay. Who knows what's going on. Noa. Do you wan to give them like, is it like Z Veia or like a couple name? Yeah. I think we're gonna have to stew on that. We should come up with a good couple name for them. Okay. I mean, but if they're like twooul in one body, Yeah, they're intertwined. Okay, great L how many I can get on the same page now Well he does finally believe for. He's like, I was wrong Also early in the episode when she's like, we need to talk to Natalie, he's like, you need to talk to Natalie. I'm like, this is how we got here guys We're not a unit at all. I actually think that one was fair. Mzy From Tom's perspective, your wife just shoved a teenager in front of a moving car who happens to be dating your daughter kind of, or at least she wants to date her Feral teenager bit her on the hand. That's not on the video. I'm pro sh, honestly It's what it looks like. Look in the moment knowing what we know. Yeah. someone bites your hand, you get to shove them. I think that's I think it's a fair trade. Absolutely. Tom doesn't have all that evidence. The T commitment is. An eye for an eye, a shove for a bite. Yeah. abbsolutely. All right anythingthing else you want to talk about? Let's go to the board. Let's go to the board. We're going wrap up this completely normal podcast with a completely normal thing to do on a podcast, which we are going to unveil which cards we will be adding to What are we calling this We go back and forth. I mean, it is a conspiracy board of a kind. The Cape Far C conspiracy board. Yeah. Rob, would you like to go first? I would love to. with the most important revelation of this wee's episode We're talking possession Dfinite absolute possession. We are so sure of it. There's nine question marks. That is part of the text of the show. A new character card, detective Grayson. We're adding him to the board Do you think he survives the season So long detective l. Absolutely not. Another new character introduced this week. Yeah Gator Bong The Gator Bong. We've decided it is a g. We consulted tape It is definitely it. I mean, maybe some dragons look like that. I don't know. Speaking of Nvea movie theaters, fish based crimes, there are multiple, adding to the board Chekov's heating vent. Yes There's creeaks, there's groans and moans coming from there. I'm a little worried. Could be all kind of surveillance. I mean, maybe there is a tunnel underneath the boaten house. A drone in the heating vent? I think you'd hear that. That go for the flying drone in the vent. although, maybe we'll connect them. We'll put them close enough where they could be connected The right dosage. Question mark. We're really not. The thing we're not sure about Joe bit stuff. It's done. know what you did. I'm pretty anti spitz stuff. Are you gotta this variety, I mean Honestly, if you're into this in the form of this show email us I think of a baby carot at gmo. com. I'm honestly curious. Okay Rob. Uh, you know what? I'm going to follow that up with Thatence sensual music. If you want to put some tense sensual music on and then email Rob Mahoney about spit stuff, you can go ahead and do that. See now you made it weird. You made it weird by saying email us about spit stuff. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. Okay. That must be somebody's thing. You know what my thing is entropy Tom and I unfortunately do have this sit comp. You really do. I was thinking about you a lot. I feel like you might also share some of this though. Okay, It's an a us problem. And how do we deal with it drinking problem Natalie's drinking problem or drinking problem. See, I'm still not convinced that Natalie has one. Okay. A sip here and there We' say Standard teenage behavior, as far as I've been, you know, led to believe Um belief Faith These segways are out of control the rest of peace We barely knew you, but hopefully we will learn more about faith or Nveya's upbringing in some form or fashion. I think not the last, but one of the last characters we're adding to the board is the alleged murderes Katherryine Buckley, my new favorite character. Thank you for covering us legally. You're welcome. I really appreciate that We went back and forth on what to call this. We're calling it the Cowie murder weapon. Yeah. the T head statue. Yeah. whatever it was that was used ex faith. Not recyclable. Not recyclable. Don't put it in that bin. All right Freeze Fray Mahoney The lawyer secret, the movie poster that we had, I think this applies to Tom, to Anna, to a number of people. I didn't even ask, haveave you seen the lawyer's secret? Is it a real movie? I would assume. I don't know that those are real movies. Oh wow. I think we need to get the bottom of that. We might have to have a viewing party. Okay. AI voice slop voemails, vo keeps brushing up against again me That should have been the tell Who would say such a thing U the cigar locker. Yeah. I'm deeply disappointed. it doesn't have a cooler name. I'm glad it exists though. I'm also glad The Romeo AK Romeo the dog. Romeo Romeo the dog does exist. He will be menacing someone. Will it be peanut butter? Will it be that, you know, the kids themselves? Protect peanut butter. I just think if this dog shows up, In a non walking daytime situation, bad things are happening. Okay Last but not least, it's just a card or replacing another card with microdocin We're macrodosin on this show. It's the more accurate representation of what's happened. And apparently LSD. So tune in to find out Thank you too Hi, Grady. What else are we thinking Deonalo Cornet, of course and LSD, I guess. Yeah And animal skulls that I swear it better not be the possum. Thank you, Rob Mahoney. Thank you Joe.ee soon bye.