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Definitely a literal possum This episode was written by Brian Evanson and directed by Trey Edward Schultz who has directed a number of films including Kreisha, it comes at night, waves. Kreisha. For the drug trip aspect of not that Chrish is about that, but just sort of like his ability to do claustrophobic family. The walls are closing in kind of storytelling. This is this is a really good match of episode to directors. And it comes at night for like the batten down the hatches like dread Yeah looms over. Really, this entire show, but definitely this episode. Absolutely We are drinking something special in this episode. No free ads at all. and Savannah Coffee Rasters did not send us this coffee. But our listener Tim from Savannah did send us some like Savannah Coffee Rasters Good and evil beans. Yes. And so we have brerooded up. He also sent us to Gs from the Savannah Coffee roasters. They're really quite beautiful. They are beautiful. 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Like look it's a big NBA time. What's going on at the NBA? I mean, not to date this podcast, but you know, there's a lot of activity happening around theons, a lot of trades, a lot of signings, a lot of hypothetical signings, a lot of legendary players being like, bye bye. Oh. And so here I am in desperate need of exactly this kind of Savannah cooffee roasters roast. Now, if that ain't good advertising, I don't know what it is. All right A couple of emails before we get started. I should say. Resounding support for your possession theory from the comments in the email. I have never seen such a unanimous clamoring of Rob was right in my life. How do you feel about it? I feel great about it, but I'm waiting to hear the resounding support from the one voice that is important to me, which is yours Do you now support the possession theory? Not really, but there's more evidence pro your theory of this episode. Certainly U I think he says fuck you Anna. Yes. Yeah. I'm worried about my dad and it kind of seems like maybe he's not talking about Tom there L yeah There's some stuff, anythingything else you want to say on the possession front? Oh, many things. We'll get to it. My position has shifted slightly, but I'm still firmly in the possession camp. Okay, but slightly away from one hundred percent certain to like ninety eight percent certain. More shifting away of who is doing the possessing. Oh F. Okay. Possession watch continues. Our listener, Matt on the possession beat wrote in to say I know you guys haven't watched brand new Cherry Flavor, which is a show by Nick Antoska, who is the showrunner of this show that our listeners already recommended to us And I promise'll I guess Matt recommended it to us. I promise I'll shut up about it, but there was some freaky witch mind control stuff in that series that Cape Far is giving notes of whileile brighty cherry flavor was more plant and cat based, here it seems we have Santia Hudu inspired magic that apparently lets people control of their bodies. I totally agree that possession should now be on the board. This show is A lister Kathy or Kath wrote in to talk about a certain drug that people have already emailed us about Uh, Sopolamine? I'm just going to reiterate this because it seems quite persuasive and we've got a lot of emails about it. I am assuming that you've not heard this plant sppirit medicine quote Devil's Breath, a derivative of dura, sometimes known as the world's scariest drug. It is actually used medically in small doses for motion sickness, scapolamine, and has been used for possession type situations in which it can turn people into zombies and sort of make them highly suggestible kind of dead in the heart. I don't know how you're thinking this possession theory work like plays out, but if it's this drug based sort of highly suggestible sort of thing, Is that fulfill the prompt for you? I don't know. I mean Clearly, you could be suggestible to the point where someone tells you you are a dog and you act like a dog. I would't say that's being possessed by a dog, though. becausecause in this epss of The point in your favor, I think that you made last week was like, have we ever seen Neveya and Zach in the same place? We now haven't. We now have briefly. Yes before they were there. H tails it out of there We've got a lot of emails about this about this, so I thought I would finally address it Um, ourr listter Ben and many other people have pointed out the Hyundai product placement inside of the show. Basically most specifically that Amy Adams,, her character Anna is driving a hyundai that people think is like just way too ical No, call it out Che. I think you can do worse. What would you call it?? I don't know. I think the implication is this is like a low rent automobile for someone of her legal status. They belong to the country club and have this massive house with a pool and stuff like that. they're not driving hundays is what they're saying It's a very nice house. D This is a fine car. A fine car, but did you see their sunroom? like the greenery around their house, around the Come on. so good That's not hyundai tle work. I'm sorry to say. Ben says the double Hyundai meetup scene when the two cars are parked in the in the rain. Areita believe she really drives the Hyundai is part of the Savannah ellite LL LLL. No free ads for hyundai from us either, I guess And then For weeks now, our listeners have been writing in to let us know that in the scene where Max gets the shit kicked out of him in prison They were like, I spotted actor Paul Calderon. in the corner just watching him Hey guys, why didn't you know that Paul Calaron is there Anway, Paul Calduron is there. He plays the Pedadrino who dies this episode. But a lot of people recognized him as a, you know very prolific TV act. O of course. Yeah. And there's clearly a guy lingering in the background of those shots. We were distracted, I would say slightly by the Nazis getting their head beaten in on various light You love to see it. You simply do. We were cheering it and we were distracted from the reality of who was in the background It's true We also got another, you can corroborate this for me. We got a number of comments from listeners letting us know that a cigar locker is also called a humidor, which is something I had floated by you, but it got edited out of the podcast just because I think our beloved producers were trying to make me not look stupid by guessing the wrong thing. But apparently Humidore is a cigar locker. That never happened. She didn't She didn't say it. Okay you actually did. said You didn't say it. It got lost in the child. It did. lost in the child. so it goes happened. And I really appreciate our producers always looking out for us. Okay Anything else before we get to episode? Let's get into it Start with a prison flashback. How do you feel about this? This black and white flashback to It's a lengthy one. The purposees it serves in this episode for the season one. show us how Max kind of found his way into this religious orbit, if not exactly the religion he ends up going into the depths of. And then also kind of introducing the idea of part of the appeal is like that you are in touch with the dead, right? That you can channel or access the energy or see your lost loved ones, which And slop version or otherwise. Okay, that's my first question. Is the AI slop so creepily accurate Yeah that it is the exact ghost channeling that Max has seen years and years ago? What if the ghost is in the machine? Well, now my question is, did Max or Nvea create said AI slop and funnel it to Zach via the algorithm Oh, interesting It seems as plausible to me as one of them being a great Wow player. Literally anything else Ifere's something of a journalist yourself Formerly, but yeah, sure. What do you think of A headline that just says guilty in all counts What would you see in the cliiffppings on Max's prison wall? I think it's pretty grabby. Gilould you do an exclamation mark or just guilty all caps? Well, I mean, I mean, as you and I both know, a crooked politician doesn't grab the headlines anymore. It's not selling papers. So it needs to be something immediate Exclamative Yeah. I think it would fly off the shelves. We need a good assessination. need an earthquake or you're saying Or a guilty verdict. That just really cracked me up. It was like guilty in all caps is the entire headline and then like, you know, we should say I think this is Sometimes despite its subject matter, the funniest episode of this season to date. I really liked this episode. It was very good and very fun. I had a really, really good time with it. Like I understand what this show is. I feel like fully now more than ever And who else does Javio Bardem? Yeah, Ajavier Bardem definitely knows but also just like the LSD drug trip Who could ask for anything more By the way, all the people who thought it was an LSD How's that taste You're just taking victory labs today. Kub it at LSD. anyyway, He's also reading Nietzsche in prison among other things.. Did you freeze frame all of his books? I just saw Netzse didn't stop. It's just various legal texts. nothing interesting other than the Nietzsche. liked this a lot. U as a sort of origin story for his foray into a religion that he will eventually bastardize into his own thing. I also think that after episode five, the midway pointoint last week, this idea that like We know Max is bad news. like we already suspected it and the show's like, no for real, he's bad news. And so when we watch him shif someone to death iss sober we're like, Yp. That's Max. sounds right. I appreciate our journey with that though. Like if you're going to make this a ten episode season We come into episode one Yeah and he's basically Jws. like down to you get like the Rushider Zoom onto Amy Adams at the gala. likeike they're just playing it that way Two through five is like driving the Bodinens crazy with plausible deniability Yeah. And then here he's just s's Jaw's threeare three at this time. It is very personal. We're inviting, you know, you're over at our dinner table and I'm going to tell you fuck you and I'm going threaten you outright. Like we are past the point of neighborly pleasantries by the end of six Funny tell me from LSD or no, if you walk into someone's house and they're frying up some pig ears, are you partaking? Absolutely. you are. I love a pig. you're an adventurous eater. Are you not a pig e? I don't know, I don't belie I've ever had.ot you a pig. This is the way to do it. Crispy. Yeah. it's like I would say haveave you made it yourself? I never made them, hadad them certainly. Okay. And it's like know like a crispy, cartilagey kind of like appetizer for the most part, or in this case, like throw it on a salad as your crunchy element Cartilology is not like a big sell for some people. For some people, it's all of the appeal. That is would you call cartilology, likeike Calamari No, it's like, if you like eating chicken off the bone, like if you like that kind of gnawing sensation that's like it's a little crunchy but also a little chewy it's kind of splitting the difference. Oh, like literally eating. o, All right I'm open to it next week chase our Svan coffee roasters, We're going to have some pigars here on the pod. I was gonna to say if I said that, like I feel like I'd be responsible for frying pigars and I don't want to do that. I'm happy to. honestly. you'll take up the slack Listen, I have a favorite ask When I inevitably died a really fun and tragic death somehow When you hallucinate me Will you hallucinate me with my bangs as perfectly quaffed as Dead Melissa's bangs are in Max's hallucination? You already know I will. You and I know the struggle of a bang and it is not easy to keep every single piece in place. And I was just really impressed with how glossy and straight her bangs were in his vision. It giveiveth and it taketh away bang. You know, It really is It's a difficult balance to walk. Yeah, but J, you do it all the time. How could I remember you but with a perfect bang They're highly imperfect Question for you Natalie's pepper sppray, would you call this a Chekov's pepper spray moment? It's a good question. Yeah think so. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the pepper spray again. Okay. But even if we do is it going to be that interesting? It she'll use it on Max or Nvea or somebody and run away? L The consequences don't seem dire enough. I guess the like it was just like the shot of it in her there was like an iso cam on the pepper spray in her hand and I was like, noted But yeah, to your point, I guess I would rather someone use the nail gun than use the pepper spray, You know what I mean? On you? Not on me. No I would rather be pepp sprayed than nailr. That's part where I die creative. Okay You confused. I'm sorry, we moved on. I'm just saying in the show narratively as like a fun I'm grappling for something. Yeah, I would rather someone's grappling for the nail gun that we saw in episode. It just feels more exciting to have a nail gun involved. Also, I did love how it's like, okay, Natt, here's your pepper spray Zach I guess throw your toe at it dont You get absolutely. If you could just stand creepily with one arm sort of out at an angle, I think that'll be enough to scare off whoever's stuck. It is his signature move. Zach in this episode what did you think just creeping it up the USA. Yeah. Where do we want to start with him? because he's saying a lot of stuff. He's doing a lot of stuff I really like so in this in the scene where Natalie gets her pepper spray. Yeah There's a thing they're doing with like When Zach's hair is like parted Like it's a very sort of like Eddie Haskell, like, I'm a good boy and I'm just like giving you the smiles and I'm just worried about my dad. It's good to be safe. Yeah, all this sort of stuff I thought that was really great and all of his stuff is super creepy, but like I thought his like little boy routine was really good. It's really terrific. Yeah. Can I float to you now my alternate possession theory So I would say in this episode, we build up this long on it's been tough. This episode is building up to the big confrontation between the Boddinens and Max at Max's house, right?'s he's making dinner. They sit down. They're like, we're going to bring the fight to him for the first time. Not pulling a literal girl out of the wall Well Iess it does build up to that too, but look, again, I got distracted by the pigures. Sure sure. I would say my main takeaway from Max in that conversation when they finally ask him like, what is it that you want? Is it money to restart your restaurant? Is it money for surrogacy? or we can joke about, you know, egging on Anna, if you will, about the whole surrogacy situation, But like really what he wants is a chance to put his family back together again And I would float to you, what if Zach is not possessed by Novea, but is possessed by AI Slopsun that this is ghost son Congress and inhabiting Zack's body. So it's like a Russian nesting doll and inside of Zack, there is AI sllop Adam. who we saw sort of like spooky walk into his room at the be He is as familiar with AI sllop. but He was drawing him, right? He was appearing to him in dreams. Yeah. Okaykay Okay. Do you think he's taken on the personality of AI sllop Adam? We don't know because he died in the world. I's just gonna say like what is what is AI sllop Adam's like whole thing? I don't know. But when you think about all the pieces of evidence and context of this episode, the creepy like I'm just worried about my dad Yeah. I mean, he's obviously not talking about Tom in that moment. Yeah Is he talking about Max in that moment? Yeah All the creepy like humming into a fan and then they wake him up and it's like, who's Zach? You're not my family calling her Anna. It's like of all of these little pieces of anecdotal evidence. I'm just saying. Okaykay Um Hey at home. Email us. Where should they handle us resti TV at sppotify. com for sure. O. But also think of a baby carrot at gmail d. com. And I have to say, I'm really glad with our decision because the toe keeps towing. Oh it does. It's been in almost I think every episode. You've picked the star of the show for the eail this time. Thank you Please email us if you cign Rob's because we were all in on Rob's possession theory One. Okay. They that they were all in on Rob's possession theory, Will they be all in on AI sllaps possession theory I'm just thinking there's a lot of neon arerrowors pointed in his direction. Okay, it's a great question. A couple new characters this episode One of them is We met him before, but I don't think I knew his name, Henry, which is Patrick W Tom's lawyer friend with the mustache his machio lawyer friend. uh who Has this excellent legal advice Let him make a mistake Don't seem right to me. I'm not a lawyer, nor have I been in prison and studied legal texts Let him make a mistake about the dangerous killer who's moved in across the street t doesnesn't seem like great advice to me. It's really not good. I mean, look, what can a lawyer advise you to do other than what is legally allowed in this case, I guess. So I understand maybe where he's coming from. It's a bad plan though. Yeah, Machio Henry isn't like, hey, find a criminal and rough him up, which seems to be Tom's suggestion later on on the episode Um, yeah, let him make a mistake That whole exchange was very funny though. I think in particular for when Tom is explaining his circumstances and says, he pulled this AI shit on me to sexually harass my coworker I mean, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very believable Norana I really believe it. Nope She's like, what did happen, Tom? What's on those messages It's funny didn't talk about the rubbin, you know Rub it up against me. All right, again me Natalie's drinking while doing college applications Yeah I owe you an apology about the drinking proble situation. We are all on board with that now. Well, I think before we saw her take a little swig. Yeah here she' she's working on her nice swig. I mean, her she's like three swell bottles deep into into vodka at this point Things have escalated. Okay. I love the like clink of the like after she's vomited on Tom, and then it's like the telltale clink of the bottle of just sort of like, there's nothing like a clink of a bottle to expose a drinking habit Um I do think that Nalally drinking while doing her college applications is like a pretty relatable content. I was not a drinker at that time in my life, but I wish I had had flask of vodka while I was doing my college up. I think yes' go down more smoothly. I little shot here and there. My gosh, my like my jitiv viv that would have come through in my personal statement. Just the right amount of like, I care about this, but not too much. Yeah Let me casually work in all of my community service. as one does. Yeah, absolutely Uh Zach creeps into the room. Yep. Do you think he was actually there Well, this is so kind of revealed to be a sort of dream, maybe. Well, but later she's like, I dreamt you were there, but now I really think you were And like Nvea appears and I think that's a dream, but now knowing that Nvea was there that could have been. I think maybe Zack was there and did stick his tongue in her mouth I thought it was sorry his tongue wasumb. Yeahah, sorry, no, no, no. let's rewite that. His thumb in her mouth. Do you think it was Zack or do you think that was A I sllop Adam? I think that was AI slop Adam as Zack. hisis thumb in her mouth. the second thumb in her m? I guess or is it the third How many thumbs have been in Nad's mouth this season? Just two That's already That's too many already. Yeah, absolutely. Um I do love Tom's reaction when she vomits on him, which is just like which is like even if you're a really good dad, you could the best you could do when someone vomits on you. But on the Nat and Zack front Yeah Why does every character in the show have the memory of a goldfish? Last week, she had him in a headlock becausecause he was antagonizing her and like maybe doing witchy stuff with her would be girlfriend. Right. And now she's just like, oh,'m so I'm so relieved to see you. I was so scared it was gonna be somebody else. Also like Can I one of the most annoying parts of this episode and I liked this episode, but I think the moment I was most annoyed by someone, which is weird because it's not the same as the T dumb to live move, which I think is very clear in this episode. but like An it was just like, be nice to your brother to Natalie over and over again. I mean, she was drugged at the time, but I was just like, shut the fuck up, Anna. Zack. Well it continues the theme of they really only care about Zack and even then they're not good parents to Zach. Yeah N. be nice to your brother who' into your room at night and shoves his thumb in your mouth while you're just simply trying to drunkenly do your college applications. It' really tough. Max, Katie, I have some notes for his behavior in general in life. Yeah. where do you want to start? No notes on his fits though. He's wearing like cream linen slacks with like a stripeed linen shirt and then like a cream hat, like this whole outfit is in on cld You know, Um And he gets these photos Tell us about the photo secrets I mean, where do we want to start? We got the cross at Cape Far Lake, I assume is what we're calling it. Sorry river Cape Far River a snarling dog. Yeah Distressing. Maxon. Is it Romeo himself? No, it's a white dog that looks like it has been through some fights or some pain or some torture of some kind. a photo of Max and Anna dog cage itself. And also a photo of Max and Wendy Wilson, who you'll remember is the Max Catie suuperfan who desperately wanted to be an ice cream cone. How How can I forget Wendy Wilson? U and then we get this message in The most disturbing handwriting I've seen in a long time. O TV, you play the Martyr What if I tell the world what you did to me Signed see. Yeah. So and amongst these photos, we also get a rerun of some of the flashbacks we've gotten before But much emphasis on this dark haired girl who seems to be part of his childhood growing up. Yep. So where are you on the Juliette Lewis. It's gotta be is his stepsister who was there when he was abused growing up? May I mean, maybe adopted, maybe stepsister, who knows the relations exactly. And here signs off her note as just C C the letter C. So we will be changing her card on the board to at least see under Juliette L. That feels like a safe assumption for us Then he calls someone and talks them on the phone, an old man And is like, you know, what happened? She was institutionalized. I'm going to come down there. If you don't take care of this, what's going on What's your read on all of this? Gotta be his dad. Okay Is there any other plausible explanation? That's I mean, that's what I would think. Preacher dad. Preacher dad Sitty preacher dead. certain abive preacher dead. Don't even seem like a good preac Whosese voice is that Oh I don't know two theories Okay And I listened a couple of times. Yeah That's Rber today I don't know. I don't think it is. It would be great Or we have yet to see Ron Parlman, who is in the cast. It didn't sound like Ron Pelman to me, though. Maybe he degrruuffed. Yeah Maybe he's like unhellboyid his mouth. Maybes There's that episode of the Nanny where Fran like drinks hot coffee or something and then all of a sudden loses her accent completely. Maybe it's like that Your pop culture references are on place They're like very nineteen ninety three, but they're on point. I can only be who I am. You can only be yourself. Okay, so Ron Perlman, having drunk the magical Nanny tea. Yes Now sounds like this. couldould be. Okay Do you buy Ron Plman as Have your Brm's f Ita think about the age discrepancy. I guess it would kind of check out U alsoso just in terms of character actors you would love to see in this kind of role, Ron Proman would be near the top of the list. Just like haven't seen him yet. We're on episode six If Ron Parlman is playing Rom Plman of Sons of Anarchy and Hell Boy Fame, et cetera, etcetera. Alien resurrection. Alien resreion U If Ron Plman is playing Havier Bodem's father and Ted Levine is playing Amy Adams like we're we have like two Gruff legends Yeah in these father roles. That's fun. We salute our Gruff kings. Yeah, we do. Okaykay Would you wouldould you say Ron Plman is like of that horror universe? I mean, Hellboy is I guess in the horror space. For sure. And probably he's been in other horror movies that I'm not aware of. I think he definitely is on Hellboy grounds alone. Okay. All right, great. Okay, um Yeah. You know, it seems to me pretty clear, especially also if we're back on the green theory ir the brown haired girl in the flashback was wearing exclusively shades of green, which is once again Juliette Lewis' signature color in this show. So that's disturbing and interesting Are you disturbed and interested Well, I'm looking at Ronrom', I am DB R. to fact check and double check our horror references. And I'm realizing I've actually never seen his appearance in the TV version of Beauty and the Beast, and maybe I need to. Oh my God, where he plays the titular Beast. That's where I first met him. I mean, that's a horror story of a kind. Yeah. A monster kidnapping. Linda Hamilton. Wow. as the beauty I believe she playays a journalist. He like lives in the sewer of like modern day New York. I believe And she plays a journalist very like April and teenage mut Ninja Turtles coded, I believe. And then she like goes and she's like, who is this man And And then he like looks like Ron Pomman, but hot and cat like at the same time. Sounds good to me. Yeah. Also, when are we doing our full rewatch on that? I believe I If that has to be the only ones like o, we could do the sopranos or or Beauty the. I was like, should we do thers this fall? and you're like, should we do beauty the Base this fall? Counter.omet something to think about. Equally you know legendary Influential TV Canyon. I agree. I said, Canyon instead of Canyon. All right The toe is by An aync That's not where it will stay. Eventually it willll make its way into a sacrificial fire burnt offering situation. Yourre Tom and Anna, you got the toe, you're just keeping it sink side right by the toothbrushes. Where are you putting it? Anywhere else.. a drawer. I don't out of plain view. scratch. I don't want the recycling. Why would you want to be like brushing your teeth looking at the toe? Why are we keeping the toe? I understand why Zach's keeping the toe because he's possessed by an AI slop Adam or something like that, you know, but like or a op possum or something like that. or Anna. And you found it in Nivevea's possum bone Magot tob term Maggot toomb. what it is. It mag it in the maggot tomb. Yeah.. I think you keep it for evidentiary reasons, right? Okay Well, she didn't like put it in a baggie and like, you know, not smudge her fingprints all over it. I mean, she's not good at any of her jobs. No follow up on the faith murder crime scene. Nope this episode. I guess the cops haven't found you yet. Again, no noody remembers ever what happened last week The AC iss not working And Zach does not have a new therapist. Which of this feels more calamitous to you? Apparently they see Really tough I like I'm glad that they have oscillating fans going, but like It is where's the sense of urgency It's Savannah in the summer. and it's is August, right? because they're talking about school start Dog days of summer, the AC isn't working. I feel like Tom, let's get ' him Tom's really not good at the to do list when it comes to fixing the tech in the house, I guess. So He seems a little overwhelmed. Do you think the AC is simply not working because there's a literal woman living in the walls? or is it something else? Or the bossom. Okay. One of the two shook the connections loose. I'm not sure which or maybe it was both Or do you think the AC was like intentionally scuppered so that they would all want icice tea so that Zach could put LSD in the ice tea? I actually do think this is the case. Okay. I think it was sabotaged. Okay. I mean, why else would you get a gratuitous shot of literally every member of the family drinking a tall glass of ice tea at exactly the same time To o'clock the savannah customs are, mayaybe everyone has ice tea in the afternoon. swe te in the afternoon. sounds like something that could happen. I mean, my experience living in even the Texas version of the South is that people are just drinking sweet tea all the time I can't do a sweet te. It's a lot I mean, it's like, and I'm talking full koolid levels of sugar. Like really it really rev you up. I support their culture, but I can't do it This episode is brought to by Netflix. The T mobile homeome runun derbies right around the corner. might be one of the best showcases of pure power and off sports baseballs Biggest sluggers. along with some legendary Announcers, Puhos, Rizzo, Bonds, Sabathia L Duncan Yeah Pence, Matt Fast Kurzian, a whole bunch of people And it's the one night where you don't swing to make contact. You swing. 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U You know, and Max gives him a talking to. it gives him like a kind of gentle comical little kick in the butt. Yeah. Like a nice little gentle kick in the rear. I wrote it as a go on git. Yeah, very Texas of you Go on git Um I have a potential choice for a live read of episode.lease That's not water. That's not water. That is mine. Yeah. I think the only options are that's not water Yeah or whatever like thing he does when he's pretending not to be a villain So when Tom says Butter I just think Patrick Wilson delivered that really well. Actually, these are all great nominees. I do have a definitive pick that is none of the above and I'm going to save it until we get a little later in the episode. Is it honey, honey, honey. It's not that that is also great. Well, I guess here's the question with this category, is it strictly the line read or is it also the stupidity of the character involved sometimes. Its just the ridiculous thing that they say. Okay I hadd always thought of it as delivery. But I'm open to other options. and I also just don't want to pick Javier Bardem every single week. he like sings half of his lines and so it's hard not to pick him, but she is vibrating at a frequency in this episode that I don't think many people on our plane of existence can actually. I genuineally thought that dinner scene was like fantastic. Wonderful. Really good. Also, whoever made the decision to give him the Red Heart sunglasses ammazing, Imaculate. And he has like the De Niro style like almost aviators for part of this episode But I think anytime we get the red hard glasses just kicks it up another level. And then the whole thing went red and it was quite scary. Okay, Zach is the first bone when we see is sipping tea With a creepy smile. Yeah. I didn't write this down. Natie gets in the car with Max. Yes, drives her back, He soapers her up, He buys her coffee This is my too dumb to live. Really Yeah, not like getting it, knowing that he moved across the you know, and she like medges it. she's like stocker, he moved across the street, but like, Everything she's heard about Max Gy. I understand that we've set up from the beginning that she's like doubting what Anna and Tom did and stuff like that. But I just feel like there's just so much evidence at this point that like She's so dumb for getting in the car with him I'm not going to pretend it's a smart decision I think I have a lot of attatitude for teenage characters in shows making dumb decisions. It part she is drunk. She She is a drunk teenager. Yeah. I would not say like well considered thought is really in her wheelhouse right now. Yeah. But also like she is inclined because of her age and her circumstances and frankly, the fact that her parents are lying about everything through their teeth all the time to think Oh, you're blowing this out of proportion. Like this is a guy who, yes is a little weird and a little offbeat, but is he really so bad as he seems? I think that would be a pretty normal teenage response I'm not getting in that car, R. nor am I? It sounds like you might get in that car. I'm not getting in the car, but also we should just know, I think reallyally the value of having her in the car is showing that Beyond just being willing to get into the first place and have this conversation even after all the warnings, like Natally's clearly charmed by him in a way in a different way than the other movies Yeah. Like there is a there is a connection and like a waration a fascination for sure. Also thought the shot was really good of like them in the rain sitting in the rain as one does at the end of August, I guess in Savannah Um Like you could just see the green through the like sunroof and the windshield. Yeah like the camera s of tilted up. I thought that was like a really cool framing of it. Back to Zach, sipping the tea He's got a lava lamp and a jellyish lamp. It's too many lamps It's too many lamps I had a lava lamp as a high schooler and I feel like it's a great thing for high school learer to have. If I'm Anna and Tom, we're cutting it at one novelty lamp. That's fair. Jellyfish lamp. You can't get rid of those things too They're with you for life, you know? I actually don't know what happened to my. Well the chemicals they're in. Yeah. I mean, you have to take to like a waste disposal site. The absolute like Scalees falling from your eyes moment When first you take the cap off of a lava lamp and it's just like the bott cap And you're just like, oh, the magic in the universe is gone. Absolutely. Oh, it's just some goo that you heated up, I see. And it's just like a light bulb at the bottom of it. you're just like, wow Where's the magic? It's so sad. Did you have a longw? No, but I had the same moment when a friend's revealed themselves in the same when I was like, It's tough to see. This is it.sough to see. Anna' taking her anger management class. We didn't get a lot of lead up to this, but I don't feel like we need to. Like Anna has been sent home from work. She has to take anger management class. Mandated training. Right. And also yet another like we're not so different you and I with her and you know, we get this runner with Max in this episode in the flashbacks of like What do you do with this rage, right? Clearly Anna has some of the same problems.ill Nazis. Yeah. That's a pretty healthy use Um do. The macrodocin is Unreal For macrodosein LSD. How do you feel about it? First of all, we get a microdosein line repeat. although this time from Patrick Wilson. Yeah. veryery much appreciated. D deffinitely drops when he says it. Oh. mean. This whole sequence was spectacular. I would like to take us through a tour very quickly, though of like Wh's? accid trip acting did you appreciate the most? Oh, okay. Like who did you think were the real standouts here? I mean, I would say this might be my favorite bit of acting from Amy Adams all season. Hart agree. The agree. Having not spent a lot of time around people tripping on acid n Having tripted on N assa myself, I might be very wrong that this is accurate. Oh no I have no interest in authenticity. I do not. It was entertaining. I want whatever brew of like kind of sinister kind of checked out, kind of like floating in a different galaxy that Amy Adams is a sequence. This is the best she's been on the entire show. Yeah. I mean, Lily Cleius has to be during this episode both drunk acting. I think to like varying effect at various points. It's a little spotty and then here like tripping acting I don't know that she was necessarily a standout, but I did love Patrick Wilson just smelling a kchen towel Patrick Wilson U alsoso the fact that Tom when he is a macrodosin is like Should I show the roll my guns? Should I roll up my sleeves on my already sh sleeve shirts so that you can see my muscles? I cried, but he got outslded Javier Bardem is jacked. Oh, would he's liftting up peanut butter? Yeah I mean because the outdoor fit is creamed. The indoor fit is black. Yes. Villain on the inside, playing good and evil justust like Savanah Coffee ro.ay murder on the Murder in the streets, villain in the streets U But yeah, he's got the black tank top on and the guns are ablazing. Yeah. And Tom came over with like skin tight polo It just wasn't enough. He like It was a knife to a gunfight. really tough Um All right, so the drug type happens. didid you notice the aspect ratio shift? I mean, I love an aspect. Okay. I missed it. Kai is the one who's, hey, I missed the aspect. I know. And I usually I feel like I'm usually aop of it, but I missed it. Um, Do you want to mean there's not a lot to walk through in the same way that your pupils might dilate. The aspect ratio of the show shifts as they start noticing that, hey, the walls are moving. It's when Anna starts to see the wallpaper moving. And in my defense, I feel like I was distracted by the wallpaper coming to life and me being like, oh, they've been macrodosed oratio shifts up as every single other person in the world notices except for me and stays that way through the trip. Yeah. like the letter box Mars goes away. Slut got your tongue.. Slut got your tongue. Maybe that's the line reading of the epode. That was quite good. Slut got your tongue. was quite good. Really good. Um Is that the moment when you realize something was wrong when she said slut cut your t? Yeah, I mean, it's clearly an escalation Anne has been so like hemed in Yeah but intentionally all season. likeike this is this is someone who clearly maybe by her own admission during her trip bll, like her whole life has been an over correction. like feels so bottled. Yeah. It doesn't seem like she would necessarily pop out the slut at your tongue, but Here we are, you know, hereere we are And aggrieved Amy Adams. It's possible that Dctor. Edita at the Ager management course has witnessed a lot of these drug shenanigans. They're talking about taking the kids right in front of the webcamera. I wantan to shout out Patrick Wilson's like approach to the laptop, smile wave closeed, the laptop moment. I thought it was quite good. Do you think they were on mute Yeah, I do. Okay. So just you seem pretty chill. She's like, I just checked to make sure everything's okay Not like currently dialing nine hundred and eleven sort of situation Um And then it's Natalie with the shotgun versus the drone Yeah Who won? This time is personal It was really great. Yeah. For some reason I left a lot when Natalie said, fuck, I hate drones Every line read during the trip sequence, I think we could single out here. It's from my supply, your acid supply. It's for micro doosing. It's for macrodosing Don't have any disturbing thoughts. That h me I'd real like, don't think of elephants energy. When she says I'm seventeen years sober in this like devastating brereaking moment. Yeah Yeah. And she's ter like that someone's going to take the Yeah Like what have you done to me? Like because of your, I mean It was Zach who did it. Yes to a certain degree. But but by having that in the house, right, Tom opened her up to this. And this is what she said to him earlier when he was like, Max did this to me and she's like, you did this by giving him ammunition. Right. Now I would argue that taking Max to that snake house notot to mention letting himay not letting him, but like he smooched her in the park and something like that. She's given Max Katie plenty of ammunition to work with. So You know Don't take Maxkie to a snake house a second location or a snake house or get in his car Can we just walk through, I guess like the fallout overall of the acid trip? I would love This is a classic Everyone's on drugs. People start revealing things kind of seence to each other. So for one, just the idea. The stairs are too large for not. First reveal the stairs are too large. That's a problem. We got to downsize these stairs immediately The whole Tom has been microdosing this whole season, reveal to Anna Clearly important. She was not aware of this information. Do you think she would' have felt better if he was like, Lexi? I don't think under the circumstances that would have helped. Okay We now have potentially new drone footage that could have been uploaded to the cloud, right before the shotgun shot. You've gott to be worried about the cloud always. Always. And I would say too, we get a flicker on the newly installed security solutions at the Baten House. Oh my God. that Natalie has now shot with a shotgun. And so I'm wondering, is it even functional anymore? Who knows? Great question Nat revealing that she heard Anna say earlier this season, What if he knows what we did? Correct Regarding Max Katie U Zack obviously is just going to like eventually just walk out of the house as a result. I guess that's more of the fight after Effects That's just long term effects of being possessed by AI sllop Adams. He's going to be with his dad. Okay. Is there anything else from the sequence that is worth lagging as far as like lingering in the air after all these people have been tripping out of their minds. I don't think so. I think we really got there whichich takes so Tom's like, let's hire someone to rough him up And I do think Anna being like all the criminals I know are innocent was really funny and really good Yeah And then the Bodens and their matching blue head over to Max's house. They do across the street. Does this feel like a good plan to you So plan A is What do you want to be in five years? Plan B is let's see if we can buy you off. Will you accept a large stack of money Ple C threats Is that the extent of what they got to work with here? I really think they thought money would do it did not work. It did not work. D didnid't go for it. The pig ears. Oh, also something I noted I don't know if this is anything, but when they're walking up Right by the shrubbery at the front of the building, there's like a shovel and a wheelbarrow and some like disturbed dirt. So like, I don't know if he's like, What a guy can't garden performing, I'm just a good neighbor to the neighbors being like, I'm out here in my hedges making like, you know, green things grow or if he's actively bearying something. I don't know. he has been seowing discord in the Boden house and I would say now propagating fertilizing. Oh, it's a metaphor. I don't know, my plants are all dying. I don't have to storece something Well what's your basil Oh look, the basil you can't kill, you know, The prayer plant, that one's thriving. Yeah yeah. Some of the others, they're not long for this world I'm sorry I want some gardening tips from our listeners? I don't know that they'll help. I've read all the gardening tips. I gotta say, of all of the hobbies, gardening information on the internet Conflictss plenty. Well, it's really funny, you say you can't kill basasil. I'm actually like I feel like my basil's really thriving, but like I've heard some people are like, I can't keep basil alive. And I'm like, But basil just tells you when it's upset. It just like wilts right away and then you just give it water and then it's fine. Also it just strangles any plant that's nearby. That'sint. That's really. Mint also too. It's true. Okay, this has been Garden Corner with the Robin. Well while we're talking about acts of betrayal, Do you take peanut butter's presence here to be any kind of betrayal two peanut butter I can't force the cat. Is that true? I never I never had a cat Is that true? You can know that. What they couldnt know that. You couldn't pick up peanut butter and take him home. I feel like it depends how many pigars peanut butter has been fed at this point. But like, you know, we saw it start I don't know it has to be a couple weeks ago. Turkey is the gateway drug. abbsolutely every time. Turkey a pigs here every time. But like How long has he been feeding peanut butter little snacks? Yeah Loved Max's performance here. Oie is your cat How weird it came to my door of starving. You know what I mean? Itust not have been feeding it. Oh my God, starving. lookook at him. Beanut butter. Really The face that I've ever deulling off the cat justt get peanut butter. really?'s my knee now Genuine high comedy. L really good. You can't force the cat. If it were me, I would take the cat home but I would know that I would get scrashed and bit by my cat doing that. Wow It depends how long I've been neglecting my cat. and given that we've seen Tom and Anna just like not pay attention to their children, I can't imagine. it was only Natalie who was really like taking care of peanut butter and now she's been drunk for like a week. So Al a fair point. You know, I don't Cats can be seduced by food quite easily and I love cats, but they're not dogs and you can't Well, let's be real. dogs can be seduced too If you gave my dog enough treats, she would eat my face.ue Dgs are loyal. They're loyal, but they're also loyal to the food, you know Have Have you ever tried to force your cat to do something that take it to the vet? Oh, just, you're trying to take the head to the ed and it won't go. Are you kidding me I mean, my dog just walks to the vet. A canot a proble No, you could have a dog. That's real max Katie. I was just taking my dog to the vet down the street. No, you try to put a cat in the carrier to go to the vet. The cat knows exactly what's happening cat will like hide in recesses you've never knew existed in your house to like tear apart the whole house. I've been like I've gotten into the t just like completely scratched. Also at the vet, my cat is Like a problem. They have to put on like thickub's on a list. Thick rubber gloves to handle my cat and they're like, we suggest drugging her next time So I have to drug my cat to take her to the vet. So yeah, if you are a vet or a vet tech who has access to Joe's cat's records Yeah, I would love to see what's on the chart. I would love to see the nice I sure they've written PstB at sppotifby. com. I'd rather like fuck this Gabapentin is the answer for getting the cat to the vet. Anyway, this has been Pet owner and Garden corner with Robin I feel like this is a true cat behavior. You can't force a cat Um, absolutely. What did you make of this story of Lila? Yeah What like is this a real thing that happened Is this code for Anna Or is this code for his sister? I thought it was code for his sister.. whereere the names have been changed to protect the people involved and also any resemblance to real life circumstances are merely a coincidence So the story, if you may not recall from this episode, is there's a girl who thought she was better than everyone who basically like tortures this young boy or I mean, could be a boy of any age, I guess, until she eventually like falls in love with him And then the boy like inactsge to shain into desire. Yes. Right. And then uses that because he wants to extract his revenge in pain over time and like becomes h torturer in a way And so he says, when someone really wrongs you, you find your way and you take your time to make that someone feel the way you felt, which is a total loss of control. Yeah. This to me feels like it's probably more Juliette Lewis, AKAC as we think we know her now coded than it would be Anna. I could see with Anna being like someone who, you know, whyy would Anna have like tortured. Why would she have like? Well, in his mind tortured, but like if she came in withith an attitude of, I'm better than you. C see that. You know? And then he's like, oh, she doesn't think too highly of me. She's takaking this case, but she doesn't think well of me. I'm going to make her desire me and then I'm going to use that against her somehow I don't know. I could see it going either way. Well, there's certainly enough illusion to desire or connection as far as Max and Anna's past. Like Max is really needling them both during these se Aolutely. I mean because Tom's like, did you fuck him Yeah.ike abolutely. The surrogate thing was so funny. It was really good because like about him being like There's like an age limit, right? uck upucked up Eespecially after he's just like shoved his tongue down the throat of Honey, who is much younger obviously. His tongue, I mean he's devouring that woman. Yeah. Did you get the sense when he I was trying to parse when he's like Who else? who else? Oh, I think the implication is pretty clear. What is your I think the implication is Natalie. Yeah like Yeah I'm just gonna throw this out there and let it hang in the air. Yeah ye. that was my read as. Let you choo squirm for a minute before I say. Oh. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. The precursor to that is what do I want? I wantna be reunited with my family? Help me recreate You could help me recreate my family, perhaps by letting me borrow the vessel that is Zach's body. All kinds of vessels available to I guess. wow. And then you know, he kicks out. He's like, get the fuck out of my house Yeah. Like let's do it again. I loved all of this. likeike what do neighbors talk about?. Let's do it again. You guys can host Get the fuck out of my house. A very Cape Fear cigar. The D Niro cigar shot is straight out of Cape Fear. Absolutely. I loved this. I thought this was fantastic. And then we get the Pino secondary Prino flashback where we get the fact that he killed the Podrino who had, I guess, offered him up to the knots thre him to the wolf. Yeah yeah Anything else you want to extract out of that? I think it's just kind of a continuation of the same. Did Did it feel like betray me, I will kill you sort of thing or that erosion of more trust. I put my trust in this butter you know to like carry me through this thing. and then I found out that he's the one who offered me up. And I think you can see the seedlings here of this idea of like this You're really in your garden. Really I really am, I'm sorry. But this like religious figure taking root on him I'm just wrapping like a vine, you know U brringing him in, like selling him this vision of his religion. Yeah that is like based on the idea of like suppress your anger. And then to find out that that person has been manipulating you the whole time, I think you can see how Max might get to this like twisted version of like, I'm gonna take these core teachings, but I'm gonna channel them the way I want. Ver dark side kind of stuff.' like reasonable Max isn a reasonable reaction I think some of the things she asks for in this episode, like, hey, two lawyers who are now married. onene of them was my prosecutor, one of them my defense attorney. Could you issue a public apology and maybe not practice law again? That actually seems like a very reasonable request. Okay so the promise that Padrino gives him is like you're going to see your dead loved ones and we see Gossy banged Melissa and AI slop Adam. Yeah. But in last week's episode, when Juliette Lewis' character, C says like, I reached out for you and he says that was you. Do you feel like I mean, I don't think she was But do you feel like in that moment he's like Oh, I thought I was seeing my wife and my son, but maybe I was actually seeing This woman you know what I mean?ike sort of like if if he's like, I had these visions and she's like, it was me Do you know what I mean? L in that really weird state that they're like trance that they're both in in the cigar locker, AK humador I don't know I was thinking about that moment. That would definitely check out. So the first time we see him really interact with this idea of seeing his dead wife and unborn son, who is now a teenager. Yeah, is while he's getting like brain surgery performed on him withith local anesthetic, which is some truly wild shit. We gotta keep you awake during brain surgery. Yeah While I do my cartoonishly, like doctor Frankenstein real Rev into the shadow. And then and then I'm going to put you into a coma all makeakes sense to me. Okay. So supposedly he sees his wife and son then, then he sees them again as you all to. If you're a brain surgeon who is somehow watching Cape Fear and listening to this podcast, I be Think of my baby carri at GL. com. Is this how brain surgery is done? Do you ask them to recite a nursery room And then also clarify that it needs to be in English. so you can understand And then secondarily when they when he is kind of first converting and at the altar and they're all reciting this chantance. That's when he sees the immaculate banks, right? The sacred banks. And then yeah, I guess supposedly again in his dreams, maybe many times since then. And I just think this checks out where if a random kid gave you a drawing that is suspiciously like the version of your son you have seen in your head S some like dots are connecting here Do you so When he was talking to Tom at the country club or gentleman's cllub, whatever you prefer, and he's like the thing I really want more than anything, like if I could have a moment to connect with my son again, like I would I would do it and then this through line in to recreate it. Like do we believe that that's true or is this just a cover for his vengeance? Like is there an earnest desire to recreate his family, not necessarily by impregnating Natalie or anything like that, but just sort of like in general. I think so. I think Stealing their son. Yes. Also why not both. right? You can hurt them by also getting the thing you want. Yeah. Turning that against the bonents might be the sweetest form of revenge. Again the bonentsain presume start of the fire here Well I mean, Neva could have done it too together maybe Yeah. Also who stole the toe back? couldould have been either one This is These are general senses, th All right, seecret tunnels in the wall. Yeah Bat in backrooms. Oh, Bat in backrooms, That's really good. Thank you Go fuck yourself, Anna. I love the red paint like spatter when she took the paint can and hit Nve in the head and I for a second did think that was blood. and then I was like, oh, W too much blood it'saint was a lot of blood That to me was the trashiest soap oriest moment. Oh yeah, just like the paint spl paint can smack over the head with the paint with splatter. like really wonderful stuff Stay away from my son, What son? Sound doneough. All right, so What else you want to say about this episode of television? Oh, and then we get the bloody footprints going across the street. Well first we get Tom going into the walls and then collapsing, fighting for his abolutely fighting for his life with somebody back there. You know, what I have to say Yeah, you know, for the actress who plays Nvea, whose name is not in front of me right now Excellent screeching and screaming. Yes. Excellent, excellent job. Malia Piles Incredible just like hellcat energy her in this sequence. I mean, comes through the wall and like tries to strangle him basically as the rest of the family just kind of watches. I did think that moment when she grabs Anna's arm from like the wall was really good. I mean, like when when they were like, oh it was just a possum. I was like, I don't know. I heard some screaming that didn't sound like possum to me. That was the moment of the episode for me. It's like you hear two people screaming bloody murder. Yeah, repeated bludgeoning and fighting Yeah It was just a. And it was like, oh, was just a pososer silly Is that your twoud dum to live moment? I think my two dum to live moment is Anna going into the wall after Tom has literally come out of the wall being like there's somebody back there. I thought Tom might die in this episode. L he went the wall and like fell down through the floors and stuff like that. I was like, if if if Nevea's in the wall and Nveya kills him. Yeah, I would not be surprised. She's so eager Her knife is ready. Yeah, the horror movie moment of her like grabbing out for Anna's arm, I thought was really good. Re Yeah, and then just like pulling her literally pulling her out of the wall. Yeah thought it was fantastic. Although in that two seconds after oh, it was just the possum and we see the possum. Yeah. I was like Kevea anamorphin to a possum Is that where this is going This is very House of the Dragon. is Alice Rrivers a goat. Is she could she turn into a possum? Turns out no. Possum transmmogrification is that what you're saying? I can we can now confirm we have seen Nvea and the posossum in the same place. Is Anamorph like is another like nineteen ninety three reference, would you say? I guess so. Maybe. it's a little later. Maybe that's more like ninety seven, ninety eight Um, I loved this. I thought this episode was great I really feel like the show has h its stride with me in my heart, and I had a great time watching this episode It's wonderful.'t again, I don't know if it's good, but it's wonderful. I know that when I watch it, I get to come in and talk to you about it I'd like hear from our listeners about it. so it's great. We're all in the mook together. It's really what's get so enjoyable. and we're all just, I mean, this episode was the sweatiest yet. Oh Well, Nisy is not working. That's what I'm saying. And nobody is inclined to fix it. Absolutely If you're Once again On the drinking alcohol as a sweaty banked teenager in Savannah, Georgia feel like An Natalie wants a mixer She's not mixing it with anything. She's just straight chuging alcohol. That's a lot of straight vodka. Even for an aggressive teen who doesn't really know what they're doing, like it's just a lot We're not doing like a smearing off ice, whatever the kids version of that these days is, or like mix it into the sweet tea or anything like that. We're just chugging it from the bottom.hing. You got the tea on hand. Yeah, There's probably like some cranberry juice in there somewhere. L I think something happened. Yeah tough, really tough All right, did we do it? I think we did it. Okay. One last note, just for our lawyer friends who have been emailing in about Max Kat's sudden release from prison. Yeah. Earlier in this episode when Tom is meeting with his attorney friend, they do give some flimsy explanation as to like, o Political reasons, the governor was embarrassed by this other case and they like fast tracked Max's way out prison. yadda yada. The yada yada a little bit, corners were cut, but you know What kind of plausibility in the world of Cape Far? Ne week's episode is called Mongrel And has three credited writers. Okay. and have some questions about that. Is a possum mongrel I bet some possums are Mong girls, but not every Mongirl is a possum.y You know what I mean? Now I wantan to speak to the possums that are notong girls. You you growke calling them possums or op posossums J know it says O posossa. Yes, people It's a regional thing. People say O possa. Yeah. No no one says op possa. Okay. I think of a baby cararing a team all my. That's a silent o I grew up calling, I didn't even know that they were like known as opossums, but some places in the country, they call them opossums. I say this with great love and affection. I could see you calling them opossums because look You're a very bookish sort. I could see reading the word opossum. I how timimes. My sister thought the word misled was mizzled. Exactly she had only read it. It's just in your head. And in your head, I could have seen it as being opossum. No. Thanks so much for Let me scholarly. No, on the contrary, I'm saying I'm saying you are a learned sort. I believe I'm right about this regional op posossum thing, but I would like to hear from our listeners. I would too. Rather than Google it and don't give us an AI answer, give us your real regional answer. How sweet is your sweet? Like, what's the correlation between the sweetness of the tea and whether or not you say o posossum versus posossum? I like something like, do remember that New York Times like regional dialect quiz some years ago? I feel like there's an equivalent of like, how sweet is your tea Yeah can regionally make a very precise guess where you I kind of feel like Savanah, Georgia is like that might be the hot center of it, you know. All right. We'll be back in a second with The conspiracy board and the new cards're adding to it. We'll see you in a second All right, we are back with some more cards to put on the board here at episode six of Cape Fear. Hving a great time. We're gonna to start off strong with RIP Jar too R IP little Hy. Yeah. Yeah. We barely knew you. It's Chcoal Briquette now. Let's keep it going along the same thematic lines. We wouldn't even know about the Jart toe if not for The Bodow in B backrooms. The sacred liminal space inside the Bowoden home. Who knows what lurks there beyond our own traumas? Do you think now backrooms is mandatory viewing to understanding this season of Cave Fare? I think it might be mandatory viewing to understanding the human experience. Great. All right, we're not sure she exists. She might be a metaphor Lilla question mark and Taro Bang. Maybe C, maybe Anna Maybe just some other lady. We have added C to the Juliette Lewis card on the. Absolutely checks out to me. Another C The AC The broken AC in fact. mayaybe it's a coolant leak, mayaybe it's not. RIP, the yoga drone. We're just like looking to get more some more RedX on the board. So we're not one hundred percent certain this is the same drone could be drone two point zer. We love to kill a drone. We do love to kill a drone already dead though. Yeah. Melissa and Adam. although maybe resurrected as a restaurant concept with a tasteful refreshed menu. Well, so that's why I made that card because A Aersand is real restaurant I will say as Ampersand restaurants go, I'm a little more Melissa and Adam oriented than like flour and water oriented. This is why I did this. My friend my best friend and I have a game where when we're out in the world and you see a sign that is a proper noun, amersand proper noun, we take a photo and send it to each other. Yeah, it's one of the worst things that we as millennials ever do. Is it our fault? I think it's our fault. Oh Godd All right, old man on phone We don't know who it is? is it his dad? Is it Ron Plman? Is it Robert Deiro? We don't know know if there's a old man on the phone so he get a card. We do know this man, Henry, ' we would know that mustache anywhere. Tom's lawyer friend. would we I'm just questing my own artistic skills. I'm not. Okay This is beautiful. Thankk you The nostrils are really what does it for me Gun Check off shotgun. you know, forget the nail gun, forget the pepper spray but we will remember all those things, but also there's a shotgun on the loose and Natalie knows how to I mean, good job Natalie. Oh God. Cack game. I mean, anyone would know too if they listened to our Widows Bay Pots, how I feel about someone triumphantly cocking a shotgun.. I mean, it's just one of the great things you can do. So shout out to Natalie. We support Natalie, but Patricia our queen and it's hard to talk. That's very true The aspect ratio shift Yeah. Do not adjust your television sets. We are zooming in and out of focus. We are changing the resolution. We're doing a lot of things because we're on drugs. Absolutely. Pepper spray, it's there. We're not sure if it'll come back, but we just want to note that it is there. We have a new tradition Yeah. startarting a new subcategory of the board. Obviously peanut butter has been renamed M. Money. It's just a better name. Absolutely. Subcard. Yeah He's a fucking traitor. is. You can't force a cat to do anything, but guess what? That cat doesn't love you. If Romeo winds up going across the street to the Bodens, are you ready to slap a traiter card on a dog? Yeah, but it would never happen. Okay. We are retiring microdocin and we're moving it on to macrodocin. We're macrodocin LSD. How much of the vial do you think went into that Like a the picter of iced tea. I bet Zack has a heavy pour. That's what D't that Absolutely. Immaculate banks This is the podcast for them. Yeah. Whether they're in a vision of your dead loved ones or just watching the prerestige TV. Dctor Anita's anger management course inccomplete. inccomplete Anna has incomplete. But along the same new media lines, somehow podcast guy returns. I believe his name is Lewis something. Wow, you bothered to how maybe perhaps. Guys, this is not how podcastters behave, I promise you. No. This is some shitty paparazzi. Well, other than many times you have haranged people on the street. Well, then no, that's just you. All right. honey, honey, honey, the bartender Hmm. She's here. She's in her underwear. She seems like she's having a great time. Oh, justust the ride of her life. You're hanging out with Max. El Padrino not having the right of his life, at least not anymore. Sht to death in prison. You know, I mean, you throw the wrong guy to the Aryan brrotherhood and I guess this is just what happens. I mean tough. All right. last but not least, the bloody footprints. That lead from the Boden home to across the street to Vax' home. Yeah I mean, the toast Oh yeah, there's four toes cause it's Zack. Are you worried about Zack? Why wouldnt I be worried? He's being inhabited by a ghost son? Is that his eye at the end of the episode? Great question. So I mean, clearly a mirror shot of the one we get of Max earlier in his like Maybe third eye opening experience in prison, but now Rd F feels like it's just the same shot though still max's eyes upon you. but now angry. Okay, honey honey, honey, It's time to end the podcast. We will be back with episode seven. We're prereording that one. so if you've emailed us, I'm so sorry those emails will not join us Rob is taking some sensible time off, so we're banking some Cpefare episodes, but we will see you for the madness on. Thanks to Kai Grady, thanks to Edvonaldo, thanks to Jacob Cornett, thanks to Tim and not new Svavannah Coffee roasters 'cause no free ads. But also the coffee it's kind of good. The coffee cs. All right, bye