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Who pulls his own collectible cup Collect one of nine legendary cups with a FIFA World Cup meal P participate McDonald's for limited. whilew suppies last, All rights reserved for twenty six McDald's and FF Worup twenty six Hello, welcome back to the Pst TV podcast. I' Jonah Robins. I' Ronahhone. We are live here in the studio. ill advisedly, here we are. Yeah, whose idea was this? I don't know, couldouldn't tell you. We're here to talk about Euphoria episode seven, Rin or shhine. Rob, how are you feeling Confused, startled, alarmed, not bitten by a snake though. So that's a win. We love that for you. If you are watching this live and you're in the chat on the YouTube channel, our Stalwart producers are monitoring that chat and we will sort of If there are questions that make sense for us to answer, they'll toss it to us and we might answer them later on. So Pop those answers in the chat, whyy not? Do you have any bait for the listeners? Like what would catch Kai or Dev's eye do you think Um Anything about Maddie? Sure, sure A casual Lakers mention perhaps? Oh, okay. Yeahah. I should like a little could go a long way. It's not up to us, it's up to them. How can they email us? If they don't reach us via chat, how can they email us? You can always email us at prestigeTV at sppotify. com Joe You can especially email us. although this week, we have a lot to talk about in this particular regard, Maddy's number one boy at Gmail dot com You know how the Godfather is like, lookook how they massacred my boy. That's how I feel about you. I feel like they massacred you, Rob Mahoney, Matty's number one boy by sort of P pututting your girl in a tough spot inside of this episode. Especially if I am Maddie's number one boy or really, whatever affection I have from Maddie as a character,, Alamo now gets twenty percent of that affection I don't like how this is breaking out for me. It's also it's tough for me to watch characters I really like and admire be so stupid. There's a lot of that this episode. And there's a lot of that this episode. Also in general, on the feed, we are covering Widow's Bay. We will be covering episodes six and seven this week and then every week thereafter til the end of the season. So that's something we're doing on the ch ch Al also coming up later this week, our look backack at Friday Night Lights. That's right, Texas forever. Texas forever. and yet another high school show that we decided, you know what? let's just take the opportunity for a loose euphoria tie in and say sure, these things are connected. Another show where people die and you're like, huh That brings us to this episode of Euphoria. I'm going gonna start with some mail bag questions that we got from folks over the past week Um So Our listener Sam shot their shot and said I think Nate's going to stumble across Alabo' stolen drug money and get his redemption, but I would enjoy it, Sam Tough, tough week for you in your shot call here. Well, there's a week left. Okay, you think Nate, swollen tongue Shambling undead Nate is going to find Alamo's money and have a redemption arc. Is this a Frankenstein prequel? O. Are we just gonna piece Nate back together in the finale? get we did an email about that a couple of weeks ago where they were like, are they by clipping off pieces of his body, are they doing a sort of like a Frankenstein homage in this season ofuphia? Do you think that's what's going on here? Or is a Lordie getting into his like Tom Hardy Brad Pitt sort of era where it's like, I'm just not gonna to show up if you're not gonna ugly me up a little bit. you know I just don't w tona be there in my full power. And so if I'm not overly swollen from a rattlesnake bite, it's just not worth my time. This is twelve monkeys is what you're saying really is. Okay. Clayton wrote in on behalf of snakes everywhere To talk about the Snake in the Club, and this pertains to the speech that Bishop gave about the snake in the Cub in a previous episode. Snake in the Club was like my favorite Absolute like show stopping club hit of the early two thousands.ake Snake in the club. In D cllub. I think it was.v was in parenthes into Club. Snake in parenthes into cllub Um How do you feel about the fact that we were waiting for that snake to do something? and it was another snake that killed the main character one of the main characters of Euphoria. The the old Bait and switch. Yeah. the snakeake The old snake and ladder. Yeah, absolutely. So Clayan wrote into to say snake owner of a snake similar to one portrayed Thereirs is a Burmese python. mine is a nine inch reticulated python. Okay, guy. I also have a four inch boa constrictor This is really why I wrote to read this email. Named Shauna Shipman, who's a character from Yellow Jackets I think naming your boow constructor Shawn a shhipan is one of the coolest things you can do. The sizing you up thing. that's not a thing. snakes are opportunistic. They don't have the type of braid to plan like that. No vet would ever say that. I know it's TV, but I it madebe auditibly go ugh So listen, Clayton, I'm curious How you think about the what you think of the portrayal of rattlesnakes inside of this episode H's a question about that. I'm just going to jp ahead to this. Let's do it You know, there's there's a great Esquare piece out written by my Pal, Anthony Brzickin about Nate's death, it went up as soon as the credits rolled. So Bz talked to Sam Levinson and all the people sort of about why this is how Nate went out on euphoria Was it my favorite character death? It was not my favorite character death at all. But my question is, why Why would you show us the snake bite And that of any kind of tension when the coffin is open, We know that Nate's dead. becauseuse don't I'm not a Clayton. I don't know a ton about snakes But I know if you're in a confined space with a rattlesnake and it bites you during the day Yeah when your wife and high school girlfriend find you at night, you're dead. You're already dead. You're cooked. So like Is it interesting to for us to already know that's a dead guy in the ground? The dramatic irony of like In particular, I would say Maddie is the one who doesn't know it because she is kind of the most at stake here. She's giving up a lot otentially to engineer this whole scenario and pull Alamo into it and now is kind of like on the hook. But not to like Sunday Night Lve quarterback this episode. Is that not literally what we're doing? But wouldn it have been Interesting for us to watch all of that happen with the attention of like what Matdty's in danger, What is Alamo going to do here? What are the Armenians going to do Wh thinking, and can they still save Nate and do we even want them to save Nate? And then they open the box and he was already dead. And we were like, wow, all of this for nothing. Yeah. Is it more interesting to know that during the exchange or after the exchange? I think it's more interesting. It makes the final exchange more interesting. right? That final standoff, we would be on pins and needles. J that the idea that the snake was kind of circling the in the vicinity, something could have happened or maybe not. Did you cut before the snake goes down the t? Yes. And then we werere like, oh no, did a snake get him or is he still alive down there B by doing it this way, you do get the scene of the snake crawling up nate It's one of the most excruciating things I've seen on TV in a long time. Like we in the room I wasn't looking. It was It was horrible. Like it was I've actually never seen you Finch that much watching something. Well, it's a double for me. One being buried alive a horrible fear. Absolutely. we're just piling phobias on top of phobias. We're in enclosed spaces and then we added a snake. And this has reached me at my Texan core. like a rattlesnake specifically These are do not fuck around ourours if a rattlesnake is involved.ere didid you feel threatened as a canonically tall guy about like tall guy in a two small box underground? I did a little bit. Yeah. I thought that was an unnecessary quest. point it again. So did we get confirmation that they crammed him into a regulation coffin or did they make him a custom on the flly? I think that's a regulation coffin. Wow. don't you think so That's escicial uncomfortable. That's my claustrophobia and my being buried alive and the snakes is too much. It's too many things We got a great email from a listener who did not sign their name, but their handle is Death by Ostrich, great handle. A really, really good email that I think is actually better than the season of television we're watching but But I'm going to pitch it to you. Please This email reads the critique of seeason three that Sam Levinson collapsed the character arcs of Maddie, Cassie, and Rue into instruments of sexual commodification, and shock value is missing the point This season is about the collapse of the American future To be clear, the first two seasons were already dark portrayals of American adolescence, still the show framed youth through a kind of intoxicating emotional intensity. There was still love, the forming of identity, rebellion, and even possibility Season three strips that away. In this season, the future itself disappears not only for Cassie, Maddie Rue and the rest, but for American youth more broadly. And there's much more which I might circle back to, but I just wanted to check in What you think about that idea of like as we watch these characters, and their dreams of the future completely evaporate and turn into sort of the worst case scenario for everyone Abslexy, but we'll see What do you think about that as an idea of what might be on Euphoria's mind, or is at least could be on viewers' minds? This is where I have a hard time separating, you the times that we live in from is this just an experience that is almost universal among humans? Right right? Like All of our futures are cooopted by some version of the machine The versions that we encounter now and that I think are being kind of euphoria are like maybe especially seedy or out in the open in ways that they weren't previously But hasn't this always been the case? Hasn't the future always been eroding? Hasn't everyone always been like done before they even really got started? Don't you think it's I mean, how many I don't know if you're getting served these commencement speech videos that I'm getting served constantly where these Um Cluess CEO's are showing up to commence commencements to give speeches about how everything you just studied and learn is useless and AI is the future and they're getting booed soundly by the graduating classes. So I know you won't have a job after this, but listen, listen to my platitude. Why are you booing? I'm right. U I don't know. it feels I would handily give it to the current graduating generation and say You know, at least when we graduated Yeah, they gave us those platitudes without saying and machines are coming for your jobs, you know? I would say in that way, maybe we're just all being a little more honest than we ever were before, right? It's like everyone every worker has always been exploited and manipulated. And now it's like, guess what? We're not even gonna to pretend to treat you nicely. Damn the man, I love that from you, Rob This made me think of You know, we're going to get I'm not done with the mail by yet, but we are going to get to sort of the ollie backstory that we get here, which I actually think is not just because I love Coleman Domingo, but I think what is being presented there is one of the most interesting thing that's being presented this season But his repeated phrase that he gave to these young people who he was trying to help and wound up in his Book of the Dead anyway was Trust me, You hang in there the future will be bright. Yes, which could be a commencement speech if you care to think about it that way. Trust me, you hang in there have that you hang in there be followed by a hang, but like you hang in there, the future will be bright, but like That's not true for all of these young people who he's trying to reach and doesn't seem true. You know, we're going to talk at the end of this episode about what we throughout this episode about what we think might happen in the finale But sort of Is the future bright for anyone on this show I love that part of Allli's story and the kind of reiteration of that idea. because I think the flashback treats it And the episode treats it as both this like very hopeful thing and also this very delusional thing at the same time. It's a reminder of like who has the luxury of taking the long view. Right. And for someone like Ali, who has lived through a lot, who has certainly burned bridges and hurt people and experienced a lot of things But he survived at least that part of it and has gotten through to the other side and is now trying to help other people as best he can. But for so many of these specifically young men that we see, but other people, I mean he has a book full of dead friends full of people that he has helped and helped bury And so it's like The idea that you're just going to say to them, likes there's light on the other side of this I mean, not for them. you know, maybe for him in his own redemption and his own journey and what he hopes for someone like Rue, but That is a luxury that many of these people could not afford It seems I mean, obviously it is quite goolish to speculate about this, but You know I think a lot of people are wondering if we see Alie's full of names of dead young people who he couldn't help save. and there's space at the bottom of the page. Are we going to see Rue's name there before the show is over. So is Rue's name going in Ollie's book of the Dead here Or is there is there an open ended deliberation right? There's like the opening and he has to decide like Rue disappeared? That's That was my theory.. Okay, notot to like Again, this is a ghoulish theory, but like I like the idea that Rue ends on the homestead, like that she's going to make it to Jerusalem. And if she has to do that by pretending to die so that no one can find her. The DA can't find her. the various drug dealers who she's pissed off can't find her. And if she pretends to be dead Jesus and is risen again in Jerusalem? L that is that what we're watching here So he writes down her name of the book of the Dead because everyone believes her to be dead, right actually she lives on in hope. and that might give us the hopeful ending of Euphoria. I love that idea. Okay I got ahead of myself. That's my fin. Well, let's rewind. Where do you want to go to Let let me just read this last part of this email that I think was really good. These characters are no longer simply troubled teenagers. They're economically trapped, spiritually suffocated, and increasingly transactional with one another becomes economic dependency, sex and crime become the only labor available. I just thought that was really well observed Um, On the religion front, our listener Austin wrote in about the poker game that we saw a while back to note that Rue wins with a full house, which is seven' over sixes, three, sevens, two, sixes Bishop is three sixes over two, fives. That's his full house six, six, six, obviously demonic number. Sure. seven, seven seven is a divine number. So in season of television where we're lighting Joshua trees on fire. What do we make and in this episode certainly have you know ish demons dancing in hell imagery you know, but they're Nazis instead. sameame stuff. What do you make of this seven, seven, seven, six, six six idea? This is where I wonder how much is the show actually engaging with the kind of symbology of religion and how much of it is Sam Levinson laughing at us as we attempt to wrestle with the symbology of religion? So much of what's happening with Rue right now is like problem, I would say, with messages from any kind of God, which is If you get to interpret them, they can mean whatever you want them to mean. So Ru is decidited, this flaming Joshua tree is God speaking to her as he did Moses, saying like your faith will be rewarded, stay the course, et cetera, et cetera. I think there's probably a lot of misdirection in this season too, as far as like vaguely religious things that we werere meant to like turn our heads at. But may end up meaning nothing at all, may not have any actual relevance other than we are choosing to assign it relevance. I think that's perfectly valid. I think know in the preview for next week we get a line from Alamo saying like, I think you' right, we were destined to meet Rue. So Rue believed that finding Alamo was some sort of divine path for her. as is everything right now. Right. Pancakes are divine do not think that any of us watching this could say This is what any, you know ly deity would want for Ruby Bennett to be in Alamo's Orbit. For any of these young women that we care about be in Alamo's Orbit. You you say that, but like all religious texts have moments of incredible peril of absolutely horrid things happening to mortal people under the guise of in an ollie like way, over the long enough timeline, divine blessings for everyone Two more things to mention before we get closer into the episode. Nica King, who plays Rue's mom. We mentioned how odd we thought that scene was where it's a telephone conversation. We only seen one half of it. Y in episode six. In episode six the actors went on social media to like hysterically laugh about it and talk about how she told everyone she was gonna be on Euphoria this week. She definitely filmed the other half of that phone conversation. She wass like in its entirety. And they cut it. And so she was just like, my mom's here making fun of me ' I'ing her. Everyone, after so many years away that I was gonna be back on euphoria and yet this is all I got. Na came we celebrate you. On the contract info front, I do not think at this point Tassie's contract is gonna to come into play. That was a theory that I had. is all about drill house. Contract law? Yeah. ye.ust straight, how do we get her back into the influencer mind? Well, you were right, A lot of lawyers wrote many lawyers listen to the show for some reason. hope you're tuning in live They wrote in to let us know what you already said, which is you can sign a contract with an ex. Yeah. You can put a paw print on that thing if you want. It doesn't matter what you sign it with. It matters when you signed it. And if Dll prove that Cassie signed, but I really don't take the drillhouse. I'll be astonished if the drillhouse contract has anything to do with the finale And last but not least, in that Esquire article that I mentioned written by my Palanthic Presidentin Drops the nugget at Jason Reitman a Rnowned Nppoobaby in his own right. Sure is the second unit director on Euphoria this season Just like a legit film director is has shown out to be the second unit director of Euphoria this season. I mean, why not? If you can, why not ere you on Jason Reitman up in the air Hey Come on, Joe. We're alive, baby. Specifically, Brez noted that Jason Reitman shot The scene where Cassie is denigrating some guys Dick, right? The Polaroids. The Polaroids. And she says Sammy and they shot it that way to like make fun of Sam Levinson. That's an easaster egg to make fun of Sam Levinson. and he was going to have Sidney Sweeney arard it and change it to Jason, but he ran out of time. and so Sammy just stayed in the edit. So there it is U All right, episode seven and Rinerhine, Natasha Leon has shown up to play Hooker. Yeah. no name. We actually We had a little bit of a betting pool. Yeah. and I had thrown out. what if she plays God? What if she still plays God? I mean, she might, but guess what? She's just another sex worker on the show full of sex workers. Maybe God is with us at a hotel. That's true, you know I think the wrist brace on her was like my favorite detail, veryery bizarre use of Natash Leone. Here's what I really love. I mean There's a lot I didn't love necessarily about the Ali flashback, but here's what I loved. Ali is a character We really of s and respect and admire. And he has been honest with Rue about the things he has done. and he even in season two You know, she provoked him to the point where he almost seemed like he was gonna to hit her. Yes, you know. And so like we know that there is this existed inside of Ali. It iss different for us to watch him with his two young daughters at the table and then hear him you know, beat his wife in the next room So to take this character who has done the work to walk the path of redemption to try to do good in this world and have to confront how dark it actually was for him before that. I think what that sets up for me at least. is When we ask the question of euphoria, who deserves redemption I think Ali is a really interesting case for us to think about. likeike does Rue As Rue discovers a little late Rue inside of this episode that she is involved in sex trafficking and the disappearance of Angel and all this sort of stuff like that. And Ali asks her, do you ever think about the people who took the fentanyol that you smuggled and stuff like that? As Ru continues to confront the reality of her self described evil that she has done Does she still deserve Redemption in Jerusalem and the homestead at at the end of the story. What do you think about that? I mean, she's kind of fast forwarded past the reckoning part. And she's just like, this sucks and I want something that's not this so maybe I can find a salvation in this life or the next. R I love that Ali plays that role in her life. of like one of the very few people who is not He's not really judgmental. L he's very straightforward with her about what she does and her behavior and what it entails and what the repercussions of it are in a way that's very different from like the way Lexi talks to Rue in this episode.ight. You know is very straight and very honest ultimately not something that is coming down with a verdict. And I think Rou needs some of that right now because she has not levied any of that introspection that it seems like Alian that we see in the course of his flashback is like really carried in through his life. I'm with you that seeing seeing some of that darkness and us as an audience reckoning with a character that we like to watch on screen and been an instrument for good within whatever euphoria can be, seeeeing the darkest sides of him, I think is good for everybody involved, including us. It was interesting because you know, I was doing one of my favorite post episode activities which was poking around the subreddit. And a lot of people were like, Oh, fucklly, I can't believe I ever rooted for him. And I was like, that's kind of the point of partially the point of euphoria is forcing you to confront You know, I think in the best episode of Euphoria, which is Ruse complete, like downown in season two confronting the absolute ugliness of ic behavior But are we still rooting for Rue at the end of the day? We are. And am I still rooting for Ali at the end of the day? I am and that's what this That's what a lot of good television does, which is challenging you to empathize with people who have done things that repulse you. I would say, especially Rue, because she' still in a point in her life where so many of the worst things she's done She hasn't really like atoned for or measured up to in any meaningful way. And so so many things she's done were just like lie, cheat, steal as she's talking about with Laurie and her crew in this episode in the name of the next fix. It was just like a period of her life was just on a treadmill of like how do you get to the next hookup from something And this is like she's now at a point where everything is slowing down She's maybe even getting like taking starting to take some things for granted in terms of like throwing around the DEA and assuming she's in the clear and that she has this like of, you know prrotection from on high But at least there is a moment here for her to consider something other than where the next high is going to come from. And one would hope within that, like, a way to fully understand, hey, so you've been moving Fendel from one place to another for a really long time now. As Ali mentionions, don't you think that maybe like literally somebody, at least some people died from this? So for you, Rob, in the ninety three minute finale that we're getting next week and this we should say this was an eighty minute ultimate episode. But in the ninety three minute finale, and our producer Kai noted very emphatically it says season finale, not series finale. It does indeed on the trailer for next week. interestnteresting. but you N to see Rue really reckon with what she's done? Is that what you're saying or no? I don't know if the impacked nature of where the season is is going to lend itself to that too much Then again, this is a show that like in the middle of a climactic resolution can go to a church med palace. So like maybe that is ahead of us in some way re you're never going to get over the musical number and it was just absolutely great. I'm simply not. Someeday you'll recognize it was absolutely great I also wouldn't be surprised if You know, it seems like Rud dies one way or another And then we get her on the homestead ending and it's one of those like season finale open endings of you can decide whether Rue herself physically made it to the homestead or if this is like the afterlife you know, Do you think we get like the church at the end of a graduate style like totally neutral facial expression that you have to read for yourself as far as like where she has ended up emotionally One can only hope. This episode is brought to you by Palm Olive Family time isn't just the big moments, it's weeknight dinners. sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full, use Pommaloive Ultra. 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But when school meals pause, millions of kids lose access to the food they count on during the school year As a neighbor led network, feeding America is deeply rooted in every community Esuring summer meals continue nourishing growth and potential Your support puts healthy food within reach, fueling the future for kids and their families. Give now at feedingamermerica. org slash suummer Hunger. Rob, why is the ambulance bugged? U this ambulance that's doing a run down to Mexico. You know, it's a great question. Is someone else working for the DEA or are they able to bug the ambulance because of the evidence they already got? Like they needed Rue on the phone to get carch certain evidence, maybe to get a warrant to be able to bug Laurie's property, bug Alamo's property, bug the ambulance. Does that sound right to you? How literally did they do it Oh I don't know. that mechanism. I don't I mean, we certainly don't see Rue like planting a bug at any point, but I'm guessing that's Cinematic convenience sounds okay Um, Nate's death. I just I just want to go here. let's just head it right up top. takeake a bl alertder, you're f You're done. G speed All his brand partners think, you know, The luxury he couldn't be buried with a luxury bag? Yeah. Made of snake skin perhaps. Right. Wow, interesteresting. Listen, all right hereere's what Sam Levinson was trying to achieve with that as told to Esquire. There's this kind of funny thing where I know what the audience wants in terms of justice or karma. And with that in mind, I always think, well, how can I give it to them? How can I give them what they want but make it so horrific and anxiety inducing that by the time it happens, the audience isn't so sure that they wanted it U So how do you feel about that based on your like choice of voice as you read that quote? mean Sam Leitton's whole thing He doesn't describe himself this way, but it seems to be his whole thing is he wants to provoke. like he's trying to provoke reaction.. He enjoys when people get agitated about euphoria and whether that's positively agitated or negatively agitated, it is people engaging in the art that he's making.. So that is his goal. Well let me say this, I think that quote, that idea is a great idea. I't No that it was executed. I don't think it was executed well because I haven't felt anything about Nate Jacobs in four calendar years. Like he's been so functionally irrelevant to this season. Well, that's not true because you just watched season. Well sure. Euphoria. Yeah in theory, if I were a normal watcher of this show. two of Euphoria won an air. Yes. You would be like, who is this pod person Nate Jacobs this season I really agree. L if Nate had been behaving like himself If he had had plot that was more in line with what we saw in season two I'd be like, yeah, get a snake and then oh no, maybe not like this, you know, like maybe I would' have gone through the whole thing. But as it was, yes, we had a visceral reaction to this. Oh for sure. As soon as a snake went down the pipe, I like That part is undeniable I I turned away from but I wasn't like I was like, oh, no, not like this, only because it felt like kind of dramatically inert to me for Nate to just die in a box via snake. you know. I genuinely had like no emotional reaction to Nate dying. Yeah. onlyn a physical reaction to the snake. And feeling kind of like You know Nice nice for you, Jacob Alartready. You're done The sweet release of death. Yeah, there you go Anything else you want to say about Did you enjoy seeing his dumb brother one last time? I did, but that was another like Did you really have to have the dumb brother kicking around? like almost in ears shot not quite innatess like kind of unconscious until it's late. Its like we really didn't need that. I ag. You know what we did need though I mean, Nate really needed to train with Pi May. Like how do you not do Does Killvill not exist in this universe? No Killbild definitely exists in the universe Well, then what's Nate doing? He didn't even attempt it. He should have some bloody knuckles at bare minimum. Were you thinking most of the bride when you were watching this? mean that's where I go first. In terms of a successful escape from a coffin burrier. Do you have another touch pointo? Did not Ryan Reynolds get buried there canonically? I'm gonna to be honest, I don't know how it end. I also don't know I'm not just showing up for Ran Reynolds I was thinking also about the bride and I think his Rue had the yellow sweatshirt on inside of this episode, right? So always thinking about the bride and with yellow leisure wear. Lexi's role in this episode is to listen was mostly on Lexy sideide in that scene when she's just like, I'm trying to get some writing done. And' on deadlines. You and I both were like, we've been there. You were like, Joanna, this is why we prep in separate rooms now for euphoria. So you won't yammer at me about Nppa babies while I'm trying to prepare So I was as a writer empathetic to Lexi. Of course. And then she took it to a tough place, you know? A couple tough places. But here's the deal. Lex Lexi is being very kind to R. You can crash on my couch anytim Rom. Sure. Like no questions asked. You can come and crash and stay here. But also if I'm writing, leave me alone, which I think is deeply fair Um Are you using again that I would Like not say that if someone started talking about a burning Joshua tree and God speaking to them. Every time I've tried to explain the plot of season three to somebody, they have asked me that question So it that feels fair. No wonder your mother doesn't speak to you anymore. That's the one. That's tough Yikes. But here' here's the real problem. Yeah for Lexi and for Maddie I don't think either of them are so dumb as to just yammer on about the DEA in this game of telephone I want to draw the line between them. I think Lexi would accidentally nark a nark Maddie, I don't. I don't. I just m Madie saying it any part of it. If Maddie If Maddie had sold Rue out, get what she needed for It was a transaction. Right. If she's just like, hey, I heard Rue's talking to the DEA, get me that million dollars because I care about Cassie more than Rue for some reason or I don't know. I could understand. But her her just sort of flippantly saying it was deep bizre And she knows this guy. And she has been close enough to him at this point to understand the gravity of some of these notot entirely. notot until the end of this episode. she doesn't understand the gravity of until the gunslinger comes out. sure. She at least knows not to mention the DEA around the drug dealer if your friend is working with the DEA This was I turn I don't usually I try not to speak during these episodes, Euphoria because you and I are frantically taking notes. But I did say they massacred her character in that moment. It really felt like that to me. She's not that dumb. She really isn't.s The hallmark of her character is that she's smarter than most people around her. Yes, I think. Hashhtag now I, Maddie for you Jules' R role on epise. A name on the phone Yeah So here's my Again, we might have to get the lawyers involved. Would you rather be Jacob Lordy Dun or Hunter Schaefer still here, but not really here That question to me boils down to does Hunter Schafer get paid for this episode because Jules's name shows up on a phone? Or would it have to be like the face on the contact the phone in order to get paid? Does any of that count? Interesting. Let's get Sag involved. Okay. let's get the many lawyers who email us about contract.'s what I'm saying? Jules what you want to say Don't understand. anything that's happening with Jules. I've seen nothing in the season to date that would justify having her involved in the show and not just being off at art school, across the country, across the world. She lives in Paris now. cononggratulations. Get her in for one phone call with Rue and that's it. Why are we doing this What do you think of So Maddie at the beginning of the season, when she's talking to Rue about Jules, and she's saying like, She's a sugar baby, esspecially. she's a sex worker And Maddie emphatically says, I'm not a hooker. Yes But inside of this episode It appears to me to trade sexual favors for a million dollars. Trade something a million dollars in playing cards. Right How does that feel for you That feels like narrative just deserts in a way that I think is interesting. I'm interested in a lot of the machinations around Maddie in this episode. this idea that Cassie and Nate have reached a point of desperation where Maddie is the only person who can bail them out Like that's good juice for storytelling. Yeah Maddie having to eat her words and make compromises that she never thought she was going to make. Like that's good storytelling for this character as far as I'm concerned. What they do with it in the finale, I don't really know Hopefully with the like jumbo runtime, we get some good Maddty time in addition to everything else, but I'm a little worried that this was her big episode and she's going to get a little lost Everyone Passie to Matie, Tu U Lexi doesn't care, I guess. Jules is unaware is invested in Alamoe like dying before That's true. The show is over Yeah So I'm always sooping As a perpetual optimist while watching succession, I'm always hoping people will work together. and there's a possibility that if of a team up. I do U in the chat, one of our listeners uh, Haley suuggested that Maddie has become the Yazz, That's an industry reference of season four, do you agree or disagree I don't even know how to parse that.app slapping Cassie saying I'm your boss. you work for me. all of that. That tracks. Does that feel like we're going down the OPop pipeline for Maddie? I mean, I feel like I've gone pretty far out on this limb with Maddie that if she becomes like an overt sex trafficker basically, that's gonna be a tough look for me personally. So I'm gonna reject it on principle and selfishness Okay. well, I can't say I don't see the comparison. I mean it is right there. And at the same time I will say for me at this point in the story right now Maddie cracking her knuckles and intimidating Cassie and I guess hitting Cassie differently than what we've seen from Yaz on industry. Maybe it's just the extent of it. Maybe it's the manifestation of that behavior over time I don't know. this like this stuff is weird and messy and these two characters have a history and complicated relationship. This isn't like Fing a random woman and exploiting her. this is two people who have exploited each other back and forth in various ways. But do you think the point of this episode, when we see Maddie put so much on the line for Cass say, not just that she's a money treees, but she's special and she's different Does that feel like the embers of their original friendship being involved here that Maddie's like, I'm not just invested in Cassie Fancially I've invested in her emotionally. That's what That's what part of what I mean. Yeah I don no, I know, I. This idea that she's a money treat is, yes, the thing you say to Alamo. Trees are not that fruitful. L There's just no way Cassie is gonna make enough money. I don't know. one hundred thousand subscribers overnight. I don't know. Buddy, listen The much of the Cassie stuff in this episode is played for laughs and it is a huge relief. It was getting laus from us. The whole Dylan and Cassie interaction, the seduction Specifically the like bean bag poof that Dylan is resting on, I just found it to be really funny. Can I do a breakdown for you of what Dylan is wearing Yeah in this episode Uh, his hat says Violence in movies and sex on TV, which is a familyam guy. The opening scheme of the family guy. He's worned, I would say in four episodes We just We just never remarked upon it. and I just wanted to say Family Gy has entered the chat, okay He's wearing a denial of deeath Cult girls T shirt, which is from James Fank J James Franco's cursed fashion brand. Yeah. Do you want to guess how much that shirt goes for I am loathe to know. It three hundred dollarars shirt. Is it secondary market? or can you still buy it from the website? You can still buy it. Oh, wow. That's as retail, MSRP three hundred dollars. yeah Upper two s on some sites, but thre'es on other sites. So denial of deeath Cult, girls t shirt Yeah, just like a shitty looking three hundred dollars t shirt and a family guy hat and that's Dylan Reed, the face of Young Hollywood. How do you feel about it futures in great hands. You know, this really is the entire future of the planet eroding under our feet. Marcy playayground here. How'd you feel about it? How else could we feel about it peopleeople of our age Yeah. I'm happy anyt timee's in a soundt. An incredible needle drop moment. Yes. inccredible think of Tat. do you think, okay, because we saw Matdie clean the apartment of all its various accououtrements. I'm just further proof she's the only person who can get anything done here. in order to set it up so that Cassie could bring Dylan back here. Do you think Maddie programmed the playlist? And she said, Cassie, when you get home, this is the playlist on Marcy's playground? Yeah, if she has to put all the dildos into the kiddie pool, Yeah, she's definitely micromanaging the playlist. Dildos in the kiddie pool at gmal dot comot There are so many missed opportunities in this episode. You in the water atjml dot com Dylan drinking the finger water. Yeah I don't like that. finger water. What would you call it? I mean, it's what it is. I just don't like it. It's kind of like finger tea by the morning because like it's sort of it's been steeping. It has been steeping I will say that Cidney Sweeneety's delivery of like all movves was really funny. her like her You know, when he's like, stop coming, I need water. That was really funny. Like we really liked that in the room. think was being ridden to exhaustion. L the world's most loyal horse, Dylan Reed just could not could not stop himself could not stop anything happening Um Were you thinking okay, pererhaps it's just because Sharon Stone is here. But when Cassie put the cell phone under the mattress, I was thinking of basic instinct. Is that? I'm sure that has to be in the ether here, right? All right. Even just some of like what is an ice pick in modern day, if not a cell phone that you've uploaded in you know, a damaging photo. And how did we get a frozen finger without a shot of an ice pick anywhere involved? you know? Great question. Again, real missed opportunities here by the show Um If you were delivered the finger of a beloved of some kind, would you just put it loose in the ice the ice bucket in your freezer? You know, I would not. I know you would. I find the behavior of TV characters regarding the freezers to be very confusing. I remember on a previous season of Slow Horses, someone put like absurdly expensive diamond in like a of b anderes. Yeah. It's like what? Why would you think this is a safe place to put it? Why would you think this was loose It was like a freezere. It was a loose diamond too, right? She just like put the diamond into the ice cream and we were like absolutely not. needs to be wrapped in something at the very least. So that's my only solace here is like Yeah, there was no saving that finger. it was loosely put in your ice dispenser with water. Like that's just not gonna work What if the waterbon filter? Maybe it helped a little bit. Here's what Sam Levinson had to say in that Squire article about the Cassie and On Fans stands for social media and narcissism. Okay This is the contrast he's trying to get through here. I thought if I've got an audience that's paying attention and sort of captivated by it, I want to tell a story about God and family in America and the importance of believing in something greater than yourself which I think is the kind of antidote to the narcissism of social media and technology. Okay. So do we then think of Cassy Maddie only fans, the all of the selfies and all of the videos and all of the things that we've seen, you know, the party that Cassie goes to, which is just people trying desperately to get in front of a camera, et cetera, et ccetera. All of that. versus the homestead on Jerusalem Road. Like are these the two the hell and heaven sort of polar opposites. I mean, the homestead didn't seem great. It was quiet. It was secluded I wouldn't want to live on that homestead. No I want to live on like a hippie crunchy, lesbian homestead. I don't want to live on like a so many crucifixes on the wall homestead personally. So what else does it need to have? No cruucifixes Zero crucifixes on the wall. Sure. but plenty of livestock, you know? This is the problem with the with the dream of the Tradwife Mac toander sort of thing is just sort of like it comes with really problematic politics. And I'm like, can we have All of that and vaccines at the same time. That's my idea of heaven. I think you're asking for too much. I think we can get there U this is the future Lberals want, I think. Okay. One final quote from this Esquire article. This is Sam Leson talking about the Wild West imagery in this season He says they're his characters. They're in the real world and the consequences are real. There's no safety net. I like this wild West frontier aspect to it where you can make something of yourself, but you're going to have to live with the consequences.. So consequences as I think The main theme of this show this season, this episode, Maddie and Cassie completely disheveled and shell shocked, makeup running, hair m, looking at each other and just being like, you know as you like to say, the reaping that comes after all of the sewing like Here we are. Here's Maddie in debt to who like Cassie has inherited debt This is all Nate's fault. But really it is all Nate's fault. He's taking out his entire graduating class with him, but like Well even even more than that, like Alamo takes on a not insignificant risk in all of this. Yes, he stands to benefit from whatever money he siphons off of Mattyie and Cassie and everybody else in the same way that he does from all of his dancers and all the people work from him. Killing Naz is not a thing that will come without repercussions for him somewhere down the line. Like there's think of all of ourrmia is coming? I'm not saying all of Armenia, but I'm just saying there's often a guy behind the guy, right? And that's kind of what he's alluding to with Maddie too is they like Even though this guy is dead, it's not as if he's not going to have to be looking over his shoulder for the foreseeable future for what may come for him. Interesting. Aarious sort of like last of us. Th these are the consequences of your actions. Unfortunately, the chickens do come home to roost. U The parrots, the paladins. Do paladins roost U Madd's number Boy Team all I com you know about piercing habits. Tell us about. Is not a parrot? I honestly don't know. That's the quote card for Tell us about parrots If you were curious about the translation of the Armenian that is spoken between NS and his hench our tour here at the end of his life when he's gurgling blood Kill the Horse son is what he was saying in reference to Alamo., right. And ourraur says, forgive me as in like I can't kill him. So like, you know I'm gonna get in this, I don't know, was that a backhoe? I don't know what that was Sooper We're not construction guys. of the people. Okay. That's what they could have saved that it's like, what if Maddie was driving that thing pulling some dirt justust digging up Nate's corpse. On the Matdie front in her very on the nose like Mother Mary mini dress that she wears in this whole thing. Yeah. What did you make of the shot of her pinned up against the wall under the taxidermied animals inside of Alamo's house. He's got her mounted on the wall with the rest of his kills. Again, a little on the nose, but also I love it. So much of the visual language of the show works that way where It's very clear what they're going for. It is it's smacking you over the head about as hard and aggressively as it can do it. Yeah. And yet the nature of how often it happens makes me conditioned to expect it and like it. So I'm here for those kind of visuals, just like I'm here for like the, you know, Rue with her head on fire standing in front of the bonfire. She's being like interrogated by the Nazis All that stuff with Euia just kind of works with me. No I like it too. L her being framed by the fire, the halo of fire that she has. And again, as I mentioned, like The Nazis in face sort of like prancing around the fire looking like deemons saying all up bar while they shoot off machine guns is It's just a hodgepodge of images and you're like, there's nothing like Euphoria. on a Sunday night. I mean, when a Nazi is preaching to you about your lack of character, I wrote this literal thing in my head. N has taken a turn Also here's another Nazi rule, as I like to dish that out Do not follow a Nazi tram stamp to a second location. Oh The minute you see a Nazi tram stamp, I don't care what your relationship is with the owner of said Nazi tramp stamp. Don't follow them down those stairs So follow them down those caky stairs Don't rattle around some keys with them Do it You know, just make a break for it. Rules to live by from Joanna Robinson. Is Fay going to make it out of the opening minutes of the finale alive I mean, she did at least R R out. Yeah, but How to root it out? whose to say She snuck out. donon't believe her lies, you know? mayaybe there's the meento excuse works every time. You pull the wool. Yeah. I'm gonna say like Wayne does not strike me as the smartest guy in the world. No, but nor does with love and respect, Fe. How dare you? So Are you going to defend Fe after the end of the episode she has here? I do think she could out Fox Way into thinking that she's a little more helpless in this scenario than she perhaps was. is not making it out of the first few minutes of the finale. That's what I think. that's really Sad but also Don't get a Nazi tramp st if not even once, you know? I also would recommend not getting it once. but like how would Fe die but Rue survive? Like that's the sequence of events I would have a hard time understanding. Running. I don't know. Yeah U if they get into a lover' spat and Ru takes that opportunity to run So I saw a lot of people confused as to why all of the driver's license of the various young women, including Angel, were in the safe there.. And my you know, I think what we're meant to believe is that when the Nazis in the Obama masks, if you recall. broke to the safe at the club The one behind the painting. The one behind the painting. Yeah This is Part of what they took was the stack of drivers's licenses of the girls who have been trafficed, organ traffic, sex trafficed,ered in whatever way. Here's my question. Yeah. I'm not an organ or sex trafficker. Okay? Yet. What's the advantage of keeping the incriminating evidence of the girls you have disappeared in one way or another? You know, I couldn't tell you, and I've been going around the country, assembling organ and sex traffickers prereaching came about this very idea. Yeah, putut it in the shredder. You just can't do it. No. Why would you keep this sort of documentation laying around? I don't care if it's in a safe, I don't care where you think you have it hidden. Put it in the shredder Just destroy it. Yeah.. It does no good for you. How dumb does Rue look when Lauri's like, Hey, should we do these nasty things to her? And Rue's like, is that what Alamo does? And then she's like, Golly, Gee, why is Angel's driver's license in this stack of driver's license?. Like I know that Rue We know that when Rue dropped Angel off She was out but not choosing not to be fully aware of what circumstance she was leaving her in Can she at this point, after everything she's seen, after what she saw happened to Kitty, et cetera, et cetera, canan she be as naive as we find her here in the penaltimate episode It seems impossible. And look, some of the naivety, I believe, right? The naivety where when she's talking to Lexi, She talks very openly about the DEA, something you should never do if you're working with the DEA or undercover in any capacity. Like we mentioned earlier, I kind of believe that because she A character like Drew might think she's out of the woods, right? Like The the worst part of that is over. She even says like, my life was so so bad from the moment I believed in God and now it's like finally starting to take a turn So maybe she thinks she's safe enough that she can talk about things It's great All all that's happening now is I'm bashing my face open on dashboards. Just normal road trip stuff. It really fun stuff, yeah. But this part, I really have a hard time grasping Why Rue, this character we've seen At least be perceptive enough about the world around her to know Miley Yeah, you know, Street smart Yeah, if nothing else. like she has to know. She's seen too much to think like, oh my God I'm totally takaking aback. Heavens to Betsy. Yeah. like the guy I've been running drugs and guns and girls for. Right. mightight be a murderer. Yeah I did Google why you Botox a tongue just in case you want. Do you want to share it with the audience uh, it and makes oral sex easier to practice. I also Googled Puppies and the SS. W That is true. So I'm gonna burn this laptop after this So So snakes sizing up their owners to eat them, not true. Dbunked. Yes SS officers in training raising and then murdering puppies turned into dogs, true. What's interesting to me is that is that it was I read about I read an article that was You know, it was written by or part of a study about why how mass murdering happens And so the psychology of mass murdering, essentially But I'm just sort of like, is Wayne reading like where do you think Wayne picked up this little kernel of information You know? Nazi forums, you know Just just reeddit. com U ourur listener, Miranda S. just let's just take a light break from what we're just dis losing. Miranda S. wouldould you rather drink from the finger water Or let Alamo touch your toes in the hot tub, Rob, Which would you rather? you said that like maybe there was an exchange of services involved with Matdie Al. Do You think it was just footstuff? Maybe Maybe it was just, you know, this little piggy. I don't think Rob. No, no, no. I don't know how. Look, clearly there was an exchange of something going on there. I don't know everything that Alamo is into. I don't know how deep in Matdie got. and clearly she also was just like on the hook financially Um Wait, wait, So the either or was finger water or alamo messes with your feet. Yeah I guess I'miving up the feet you do But you have to answer this too. Why' you choose it? I'm finger water. You're drinking the finger water? Yes yes Absolutely I'm drinking finger water over letting alamo touch my feet. There's some fleshy bacteria in there or something. I don't want any be part of that finger water. Earlier time we filmed a promo. Yeah and your feet wound up on the first take and you're like, we need to retake that so my feet are on the camera So I'm showing the feet. I just wasn't aware of the framing and so I'm like moving my feet like a madman, you know? I know for factor you're anti foot stuff but you'reantized by your water That feels like a bad idea. That feels like life altering consequences drinking finger water. Don't drink finger water. And don't get an offy trps down the more you know. one of our listeners blonde Fisk Wana. The Jerusalem address is six hundred thirteen Okay Um Th John three sixteen is One of the most iconic biblical passages about belief in God. Do you think numerologically speaking, that is something that Sam Levinson is playing with? Of course. why not? Of course. U All right. anything else you want to talk about that we have not gotten to yet I mean, do we want to talk any more about the Ali and Rue stuff? like is there anything else from their follow up conversation worth hitting? I mean, it's desperately sad because it was desperately sad in his flashback to watch him talk to like Emmanuel and his other young men and try to put them on the straight and narrow and try to get them to hang on and them not hanging on. and Rue thinking about Rue is just another young person Y that Alamo could not reach. herer Forgive me post it Um, but, you know, it has all the hallmarks of like one last job. She she almost literally says one last job inside of this episode and he's like, don't go, I'm begging you, don't go. we'll go get your mom, don't go. The we go get your mom is really the smoking gun of like, there's just no chance they're making it to morning to go get go get her mom. Yeah Be we're not we're not giving Nica King more lines in Euphoria. Well, I mean, it did seem Am I mistaken in that the preview for the finale? Doid we see some shots of Rue in her childhood home? was I I thought we got it in I mistook Lexi's kitchen for her childhood kitchen in last week's preview. So I'm done with guessing where Rue is based on they say to us apparently. She's in a kitchen or hallway or living room in a potentially suburban or apartment home. Okay, great. Whose is it couldn't say Tune in to find out. tune into the finale. Anything you want to say about the alley rue conversation that we haven't gotten to? I think mostly just like I do like the ways in which he is seeing through even the religious parts, like something that he brought to Rue's life we're trying to help her along when she is saying like, hey, God spoke directly to me and it was crystal clear. And also it's literally what he said to Moses. Yeah. Like the way he reacts her is very different than Lexi's again. but It's not like he believes it even for a second. And yet he still is just like, how do I help her? Like how do I get her to stay here and not do the thing that even she knows is ridiculous? and yet she's still going to do anyway? I know U It's it's upsetting to Cleman Domingo' so good. He's really great in this If anything, I think maybe we didn't say enough about his performance in the Cold openen, which The straight of just like Coleman Domingo getting high in slow motion is cinema. Like I will just I could watch those him like shadow boxing to a drum roll on a jazz beat It's just like fucking phenomenal stuff. And so like these I found the cold open to be or the backstory for Ali to be just like really moving and really difficult. and exactly kind of what I wanted Ali's story to be to the extent we were ever going to see it. It's kind of a c't miss thing because of that character, I feel a little bit. but I thought I really delivered I do think it's worth noting and our listener Lindsey seventeen in the chat. And we noted this in the room as well. The hooker telling Ali she doesn't, quote do blacks because she doesn't want to die, hit really awkward, knowing there's no writer's room. and Sam Levinson was responsible for every word in that scene. Just a great opening note, I think, for this episode, for sure. Entirely fair, counterpoint the gag about Rubing and the grreay area. Yeah. I did think was very fun. Yeah prettyty good Um, anythingthing else you Okay, so we we got a question that we don't know the answer to Which is what does Maddie step on in the scene that she shares with Rosalia? Rosalia shows up no neck brace. so welcome to the neck brace free lifestyle, Rosalia. I guess the lawsuits over. Magic is the character's name. But she's hanging on the bed. Maddie steps on something. Rob and I don't know how many times you rewatched it. I rewatched it like five different times. to get to the bottom of it trying to figure out what it was an earring, so like another girl was just there maybe or it's Rosalia's earring, Magic's earring Is it connected to Tish, the girl who died in the first episode? I thought it was a bit of mirror. The only reason I thought that was because of like the bad luck associated with stepping on like breaking a mirror get a mirror, but it seems to be an earring. And I don't really know whoses earring it's supposed to be. It seemed like it almost like fell out of the swimsuit. And so I took it to mean like Maddie is kind of stepping into somebody else clothes. Yeah Like this idea of she's now just part of this machine He picked it out for you, some other girl wore it before you. Exactly.ure. And I think we see moments like like this is such a reality check episode for Maddie right? She's getting in deeper and deeper. She's increasingly in Alamo's debt. And everything we see with Big Eddie in particular is such a cautionary tale for her. It's like Do you think that's why the colossay Mag is there? But that's kind of it. It's like This guy will squeeze you for everything you are worth, even if it is literally into like a costome bag And so she doesn't know the extent of that yet. but like Big Eddy is he has like a walker. his stitches are getting like prodded and poked by an alamo. and it's like, hey, go out there and write the thing you wronged. when all he did was like be there when he got shot And try to be loyal. Yeah. Yeah This is why win Maddie in the first place confidently really felt like she knew what she was doing walking into the silver slipper with Alibo. and all it felt like was doom. Yeah. And I don't know how she gets out of the bind that she's found herself in other than Alamo d like if Alamo dies, do a lot of problems get solved It sounds like you're angling O does Armenia come all of Armenia come to create new pro? Maybe Armenia is our only hope Do you think Nate G the ending he got because he disrespected the flower Maybe so. Yeah. But and so does the henchman live? Do we see if he hs or not? Yes. seems like it becausecause he I did know that he did stop to smell the roses at one point. And I was like, you know what? You respected the flower. You respected it? He gets to live. Okay But maybe this is a thing. like I mean, I know a lot of people out there thinking Dan Cassie, I mean, those kids just have the perfect relationship, right? They have love, they have support. they have all of these expensive laureal arrangements. Yeah But in the end, they can't save you if you're just gonna to stomop on the flowers and call them dirty names Oolly who directly said out of his mouth four or five things that I heard Sam Levinson himself say at the luncheon that I went to a couple weeks ago about fentanyl being a uniquely American problem, about finding something bigger than yourself outside of yourself, stuff like that. So using Ali as H his voice in the show So Al Ali preaching about like the lack of material goods, right? And so like is the the larger critique, I mean, definitely is, but the larger critique pursuit of wealth the ways in which you will debase yourself in the pursuit of wealth And how the answers is sort of like aesthetic living, but helping people around you It's just a very strange way for Euphoria to wind up. Sure is. Like the idea that all we have is other people in the story that involves these characters and the places that they've been together and the things they've done to each other, I can't say I see that thread going all the way through, but I can see that thread as far as like how do you pick up the pieces from two seasons of Euphoria and jump forward in time and tell something that feels distinct, but also of the world and also of the characters. And also here's just the thing I have to say about the state of the state of everything. I mean, I think here's what I feel like I might understand about that. If you're Sam Levinson and you've burned some bridges, you did you made the idol and the idol did not get renewed for a second season and people did' not like it. and you have the opportunity to make final season, or perhaps not the final season, of a show that a ton of people are watching with some of the biggest stars in the world. wouldould you not then use that to say the biggest things you feel like you possibly could say about the state of our world? If you're like, maybe this is my last chance to have this big of an audience on something about something I'm thinking about. Like maybe the real Euphor is the friends we made along the way. Speaking of the friends we made along the way, let's do a finale survival chances roundup, shall we? Yes, please. Lexi hundred percent. Doid she keep her job She sms like she's getting promoted. That's her story make it to error. Do we see any of LA. Kights But it's the story of the characters of Euphoria in the finale. My first inclination is no, but also what would you show of Lexi, if not that? That's been her whole season Arc is getting some time on LA Nights. Jules. U I mean we do know that she appears in the finale. paints in the finale. She does paint. She will be on screen H Sor will be on screen in the finale. Correct. one hundred percent survival rate because otherwise, what are we doing here? Okay tough Um, significantly lower proximity to danger makes sense. But now you you're talking me into like the the team up angle in which Charl's Angels moment. I'm thinking more like death proof faster Pusy cat kill kill. Yeah, you know It gets it gets real violent. It gets really grizzly, but the girls all team up. I mean H hope beyond hope it's not what's going to happen. But we would love to see that. I do think Maddie is morere of that version of Euphoria tonight. She's still more likely to survive than not seventy percent. Cassie. Cassy has to survive for Rob's theory of Senisuni being the star of Euphoria season four to maintain Season finale, Joe. Yeah not seasonason finale hundred percent Cassiey survival. Okay, so the Cassiey Howard show is season four of you for you. I think I mean, it's already that show. We've been watching it a little bit. Uh, R I don't know, given what you shared earlier about this season ending on something resembling a hopeful note. but not for everyone. Not for everyone, but it can't be rue, right I really think there's no way we don't get the final shot being Rue. on the homestead. whether or not she's allowed' actually there or not is the question. I think Overall. I don't think we get Be I noted that we got the address of the homestead in last week's episode. I don't think we get double This is the address of the home instead drops in the season. We come back to the home. We got to go there. For sure. cows need to be milled, crops need to be tended to. Do you think Dominic Fike will be there? Genuinely, is he gonna to show up this season? I don't know. was that a rumor? What a misdirect, if so Lauri, is she gonna live? U No. I think Lauri and Alamo will probably die. In each other's arms when you don't. That's a true love story. Fish up Wh is not in this episode sadly. He's not in this episode I think I could see him squirreling away, you know? Just like being the one guy who makes it out of like the huge gunfight or whatever. Here's my pitch. seeason four, Bishop season. I'm down for that. Bishop spinoff. Euphoria Colon Bishop season On this podcast, it's always Bishops season. All right. I think we've done about an hour. And let me just check if there are any other YouTube chat questions that feel worthy they're all worthy, but do we have time to talk about them? I don't know. You seem like you really turned your nose at our listeners. Nope, I love all of our listeners. Christopher Dominicsimamato says the scenes of Ru walking towards Cassie apartment. oh yeah, we haven't talked about this. Yeah. The scenes of Rar walking towards Cassie apartment are the same angles of flashbacks, R Ali's dying mentees, literally the same shots U so maybe like of Ali walking towards the garage. One of Ali Spons'. he's in like like the hall outside of a very similar apartment building. I' be aware' alluded to. we see Body go b Cner moments. Okay. in body b on stretchers or on, you know, rolling carts,az Um Gurnneys, that's the one. I just want We cover the pit? Yeah, we co we're doctors. I just want to flag that I thought it was Pretty sloppy storytelling to H have Rue walk up to Cassie's house, to Cassie's apartment, have the, you know, the gun at the at the eyehole and then be like, let's take you back in time to Cassie's story.. But then we continue to tell Rue's story in parallel. So by the time we circle back to that moment, Rue's story is already she smashed her head on the, you know, like the dashboard were already past that in this story. I thought that was really odd temporal storytelling. I don't have any problem at all with with the jump to Cassie's story. Let's catch you up to how she got to this moment and then follow through with the rest of it, But you're right, the interim cutting back to Rue just doesn't really make sense U I think we did it. I think we made a podcast. I think we did. liive on camera on YouTube. Thank you all for hanging out with us. There were a few of you here. Thanks for joining us. And thank you to the team that's here tonight. Kyi Grady is here. J Cornett is here. Jack Wilson helped us out. Deff Ronaldo is here, of course. I don't know, who else do we see? Chris Wallers is banging around? It takes a village. Yeah, All kinds of people are here tonight. Anything else you want to say about Euphoria before we Say goodbye. Thank you, Jo Thanks for doing this. Thank thans to Jules. You know, we just missed a call, but We'll get her next time. We'll connect with her next week. See soon, byye