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Robin Joe will be back this weekend to continue their coverage of Cape Far. for right now we're going to the bear How you feeling, man? is the final season Cgeous hyes because look Here's the thing about the bear This show just shot out of the gates like a cannon, right? And Dad a weird type of success. a type of success that shows in their first season rarely get. People were adopting some of the slain from the bear. It made stars out of people. after the bear came out. Halloween costumes. Halloween costumes, It really penetrated culture, right for that first season. Let me ask you this really quick. Sure. 'cause I was thinking about this, can you name another TV show maybe within like the last, I don't know, like five, six years that has minted this amount of stars. Like the pit is a huge show, but I haven't even seen for that cast It is like Jeremy Allen White is a star. Evan is a star. Ia is a star. Lionel, Lionel was in Bucket Project He Marary. Everybody's running Everybody's running and working Yeah Yeah, it is That to me is incredible, but watching this final season what I realized I was like, oh Be as a show weirdly the narrative of the show followed the trajectory of it, where it's like the first season is a surprise seconde season critically acclaimed. All of these people are becoming stars But as the show gets bigger and bigger We get cameos, celebrities want to be on the show. People start turning against it in the Emmy race. They're like, Oh, how is it winning all these comedies? It's sweeping comedy awards. It's sweeping up. It's not even a comedy And it almost kind of predicted where we're at with TV where It seems like it's impossible to be a hit show at twenty twenty six. It seems like you get one or two seasons and audience turns on you immediately. Well, I think to a degree it's always been like that in the post Sopranos Madmen prestige area So basically the streaming area. So basically the streaming area, It's always it's difficult, right? It's difficult because of the way you have to put this stuff out. It's difficult because of what the stars want to do now of what it means to be a star now maintaining your narrative and your energy throughout an entire season is this relationship with your audience that used to be a lot more reflexive in years past, right? And now it's different. Now you kind of gota try And with the bear, The bear is still dropping in in bothld batches, right? It's every every year it's still a binge, which Also kind of to me is inconvenient to the stars of the show because you get all the bear at once You talk about it for a short time And wow That's good for their careers in terms of the movies that they do They're not bullied by the success of the bears throughout a whole summer. They don't get to be stars of the bear for three or four months. They get st be stars of the bear for like A week wee. You look at Widows Bay, Matthew Reese I cannot open Instagram or Twitter or go anywhere without like an interview because that show starts, no one's really watching it and then it's like the heads are watching it. and by the end of, you know, or the beginning of this summer, you're like People are like, arere they going sweep the Emmies? And to your point, when it's a batstrop It is The stars and the creators almost get all of the acclaim, but they get all of like the duration. whether you love it or hate it, it all comes in this point as well. And also like You know I'm sure that their careers are so popping and I'll go back to your question in a second. I'm sure that their careers are so popping that they kind of maybe want to be done with the show a little bit. They probably wantan to put it in the rear view mirror and go try other things Jeremy and Allllen White has a social reckoningome coming out, you know, I's been everywhere. She's just coming think he's going to be in doomsday is the thing is all these people are all moving to work and l We've talked all about them and what they're doing. So maybe they want to be free of this. but there is also something that like, If you make a couple of bad choices Right If your Bruce Springing movie doesn't go well People are wondering now whether or not you are a movie star. Right If you're Jeremy Allen White, if your show' running in a more episodic fashion your show would be able to satiate people a little bit. They'd be able to get back in touch with what they like. And also to your point, the reaction to the show is different because season three of the bear didn't go so well Part of that is because people washed them all at the same time. They didn't had to sit with them. But as far as making stars No Except for maybe Game of Thrones, right? Butame ofrones was Yeah the last The cast is so expansive that you can't compare it to this show. Well, mayaybe also Atlanta I would say Atlanta. Ata Well Yeah, Alanta. Atlanta is there as well. All of them got huge, huge Zzie beats Lak Ked Stanfield, Atlanta is definitely one. But Atlanta is very similar to the bear in that regard. to where those stories are contained, that narrative is very tight and very clean and it's so specific that you can take somebody from that and say, this is how I make them this huge actor and this other thing This final season was wondering because we're going to get into the episodes really, really quick. but I realize the other reason I feel like the actors might be maybe ready to say goodbye is I'm like, this must be such a hard show It's film Yeah. that intensity, those characters just kind of being locked in that space where everybody iss frantic. Everything is burning down. I was like, Dg, this is a family, but after every season, after these four episodes was like Damn are they to put these small stuff with It's tough. They're putting them through it and they're also putting the audience through it This is a tent show like some of the best episodes of the bear I win They just T the NPA sign off of the car and mash down the gas and just go. And when you catch your breath the credits are rolling Um This particular season is's just Everything is hanging on the balance in every single fucking scene in these first four episodes. It feels like feels like all the relationships are hanging on the balance The restaurant is hanging in the balance, not just the survival of the restaurant as a culinary artistic entity, but the survivor of the structure of the building. You could see an episode of The Bear where the whole fucking restaurant crumbles down on Carmie and Sid and everybody dies. L that's how the fucking you know what I'm saying? They're over sinkle. Yeah, they're over a sinkle. So the question That is different from the first season to now Is this show still enjoyable You know, like the first season, it was insanely enjoyable But as the show built its narrative and things continued to happen 's sometimes a tough watch. We get to the actual episode All four are directed by Christopher Store and they do something that I was like, o, okay, you're going there and I've only watched the first four. throughrough these initial episodes, I'm like Oh, this is contained in a way that reminds me of the first season. Yeah The it's not we're not doing the second, third season thing where it's like, oh, we're going Sid is going here to get inspiration and we're having a flashback episode and we have forks and we have this and that These four episodes are all our time is run out. quote unquote, We're back where Carmi in the the finale of the last season partartnership to Sed, gave it to Richie. said I quit And in these four episodes We're on a one way track of like, we have one meal.. We need to prove that and by the end of the fourth episode, it's like surprise Credit who's gonna to give us a star or not is coming. And I was like, o That is so interesting after building this narrative whereas you see Brie Larson in this, you see Bob Odenkirk in this almost stripping the narrative back and making it this family in this cursed restaurant. are they going to do I found fascinating. It's fascinating specifically because of your journey with the characters. You get to a point in this particular season where you're not sure what you want for them. which is an awesome place to be with characters A Game of Thrones you got to a point where you didn't know who you wanted to win You know, who you thought was going to win. The show got to a point where it was like, well who do I want? to win Do I want Danny to win? Do I want John Newen Do I want Cersei to win with everything that she's been through. I didn't, but do I want. And right now, I don't know what I want to happen to the restaurant. It seems as if they would all live free or fuller lives if they were apart that they're asking too much of each other but it would also seem like such profound disappointment For them not to have a fifteen, twenty year run with the restaurant. Inside of all of that, man, for this little restaurant During this rainstorm, at this particular time, we're only through episode four, the stakes just seem so high. I can't relax with any scene. and it's even the Sopranos, which is a show that was about a guy who like oftentimes kills people. They gave you a time to relax sometimes and this ese four episodes, they didn't give you very much leisurely TV 'causeuse we start we're like, all right, it's torrential downpours won't stop raining The fucking pipes are bursting, the basement is flooding, peopleeople are falling through the roof. They're over a sinkhole. They're looking to see who has the air rights. C they build a hotel? And even a uncle Jimmy Basically has lost three fourths of his fortune He's off with a new character cheese and computer trying to figure out, do we have the air rights to this place Because they're realizing like no one wants to buy a restaurant, especially one that's going to sink into the ground in the next five or ten years. So he's like, can I sell this and make it a hotel There's not one character throughout this entire four episode stretch was in a good place, even Marcus. comoming off of this big accolade That's new Chef is feeling it now. He's almost becoming a little karmy in a way where it's like, He's now trying to prove to his father He's like, this might be the only chance I get. I'm like, That is a very, very interesting place to put all these characters, but to your point I watched this before bed and I was like stressed. I was having I was just like, o fuck, I feel kind You know As you watch the show, As you see things happening You realize one thing in these first four episodes This restaurant is the thing connects these characters that we love The prelude to this show is u is some type of story or understanding of Carmi's family, right? the Iidiosycrecies of that family, the absurdities of that family, right But it starts and is oriented around the death or at least dealing with the death of the person that seemingly kept that family together. Yeah, Mike. Mike So Mikey kept that family together. So the question then became What keeps that family together now? And it wasn't together when we first got there, when we first started with them. It wasn't together at all. They had all of the bones and the skeletons of that same family that Mikey kept together, but everything was going. Then this restaurant comes. And not only does it bring the Bzado family back together,, It brings them back together. Mom ends up coming back into the fold Um The sister comes back, everyverybody is together again, right It creates a new family and the restaurant takes the place of M The restaurant is now the thing glues these people And it feels like If the restaurant meets the same faith that Mikey does Everybody disperses again But once again, you don't know if that might not be the best thing for them But for me I don't want to see this family that I've spent these years with. end up the same way that they were when we first found them, which is dismembered from one another in different places, not just physically but also emotionally I mean, watching this season 'causeuse it's always been there, but it was even more pronounced Because sugar at one point is kind of describing the plight of the restaurant.. Restaurants are a terrible fucking business. They're impossible to keep open. As I was watching this, I'm like Pard me feels like Christopher's Store and his team are using the bear, the restaurant, Carmie Sid and the and everyone's plate To really talk about what it is to do like anything creative or anything with a team where it's like if you're a championship basketball team, you win the fucking championship, the next day, what are people talking about? How are they going to keep it together? How are we going to pay all these people? When you you're on a successful movie or even a bad movie, right. You're like, oh, we're a family. We are pushing this boulder up a hill months a year, however long You make the thing. And whether it's a success or failure, that family might not be able to stay together. And watching these episodes, I'm like, oh, I feel like Christopher store almost is going through that in almost a metadow way. whereere it is like you build this restaurant, you build something successful and you have all these stars and you have all this attention and you have all these Emmys And at the end of the day, what are you doing it for? Are you doing it for a star? Are you doing it so you can show off your cooking skills Or it's like Even if you are doing it for family, I was reading this very interesting interview with Eban Moss Bakarack where we was talking about how much the Bear has changed his life and how much he loves this show. And the interview ends with but it needs to And he did not say that in a way that he disliked the show or that he has any resentment, but it was a level of him like, o I can't imagine what it is like being on a rocket ship like that for this long and being like part of my life has stopped because you feel it with Carmi, where it's like, I don't know whether to believe Carmi or not Has he fell out of love with cooking, or is he like For me to become a better person, I need to get out of here I think the thing with Karmi is Carm me What I am getting from what I'm watching from Carmy is that Harmy thought he was trained as a chef T A Never, ever, ever accept any limit Like it's a creative endeavor What are the limits on Steven Spiberg? Whatere are the limits on Martin Scorsesee? Whatere the limits? They had no limits, right? They take us to different galaxies and universes. They take us inside of our own communities to underbellies and secret societies and people that we don't know are there, right? exploration of the mafia, which is a secret society and uncover all of these things. There's no limit to it And the way Carmi was raised up in cooking is there was no limits there either. There were no limits to what you could accomplish There were no limits to what you had to sacrifice, which is a part of the game, right? And kept pressing upon everyone. Bigger go harder to try more Stretch yourself and push yourself Carmi is coming to terms with his limit He's coming to terms with the fact that Talent might not match this breakneck ambition that everybody else has Family might be more important My serenity might be more important He also might be just telling himself that He might get to a point to where he thinks that that is the case for him, but it's really not, right? He might just be so beaten down by it that he doesn't know that he'll never, ever, ever be happy. not being the man at that restaurant and waking up at two o'clock in the morning trying to figure out recipes But it was interesting because he has that talk with Richie. Right where Richie is basically like, it was so funny because as someone who wrestled in high school. I felt it very I felt in very v was just like, Dog, That's a solo. That's a solo sport, R? you got your ass kids. And what I find so interesting about Carvey is There's his level of he comes back in the first season. And he is almost this little tyrant where he's not wrong The restaurant is fucked up. The books are fucked up. it cannot. exists like this. It cannot survive like this And Richie being the one like, we are out of gas. R We need teamwork who have been trying to do fucking backflips and show us how much youve learn and how much you can do. And I'm telling you right now for us to get where we are U I think even Marcus says it, where it's like that free jazz moment, whether you're playing football or soccer, where it's like You might be the man. you might be the ace, you might be the person. That can take us to the prromised land But there's a part when you're great of letting go and being like part of greatness is raising the floor of everybody else. So even if you're not having your best day,, you're ensuring that everybody else is because like you see Sid in these episodes beinging overwhelmed as a leader, being like, o, I'm the person who has to deal with someone falling through the roof and telling this person to do that. And I'm like, o, even Carmi is in the wings being like Damn, she's got a little car. Well, I mean, she is at the same time, it's just obvious that there's a part of this. that she's much better. Yeah than him He is a much better cook with utensils and recipes and she's a much better cook with people She's a much better cook with ideas She's a much better cook with organization Interesting that I didn't know that in a restaurant Everybody called each other chef. Right And I think that didnidn't understand it for the full run of this show Understand it now because everybody's responsibility in that type of environment is so through the roof. Everyone's intensity level is so through the roof that bestowing that title on everyone is an understanding of how much everybody is bringing and that there's this gigantic shared. U load to lift, right? Load to lift And just say loads, I don't know what I'm saying De Don't playame me. So that And so now I see it. And now I'm seeing her with the capability because maybe he's a little bit burned out to liift more than him to empower people in a way that he can't. He calls everyone's chef, but it doesn't feel like he really means it, right? He can hear how hot the stove is. He can hear it He can hear how hot the stove is. turn around turnurn that down a little bit. He's used to micromanaging things because he's wearing it all. Is there a chance that when Carmy gives some of his burden away that he'll be more comfortable where he's at Is that the true end of the show Harmy being comfortable in his own skin somewhere, because it doesn't seem like he's been anyhere else he's been. I mean, it's also like that burden of that type of genius that Carmi has where veryer rarely does the most is the most talented person in the room the best leader R. And when you look at someone like Sid, you're like, not only does she have the ability on a similar level. As Carmie She has a thing that he doesn't, which is like, I can empower everybody else in this room Tina or Richie or everyone else. She's like you even see it in these first four episodes being like, 'm trying not to curse I'm trying not to yell She is like, you see her struggling with How do I go from the Berzado reign, the Karmi reign of the way I communicate with everyone is cursing, yelling, fighting, throwing shit place of like, no where a family How do we get to what Marcus is talking about, that free jazz moment of everybody is so talented There's trusted this kitchen We're going to survive. and maybe it's only for a night, maybe it's only for a week but we're surviving instead of being in a war zone. because there's even a moment where it like she goes, Whise Why'd you design it like this? Yeah I don't know, right. Part of me I was thinking I was like I think that's how it was designed. places he was at She never thought about why it was designed that way in these Michelin restaurants. He was just going, this is how you need to cook. at for s she's like, but that's not how our team runs. 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Right Without the Michael Man movies, without the suit, without me trying to impress upon you how much I've read and learned. Like after Forks, what I think is interesting is like for most shows, Forks would be the moment where Richie becomes this self actualized being that cannot do any wrong And you realize, oh, he's tipped over almost too far into like No, you need to lead in your own way. like you because it was so funny when he's having that speech. Originally I thought he was talking about The original beef. when he's talking about the perfect restaurant, and then he's like he he ends up being like, no, I'm talking about the Beradto family. and I'm talking about those Sundays there at their crab where come over as you are Whatever food was in the fridge is what was served and they would never kick you out And almost like, o, this is where Richie needs to get.. He doesn't need to recreate the beef He needs to recreate the family. that to your point earlier gets fractured once Mikey dies. Yeah It's fracture once Mikey dies, it doesn't exist anymore. There's nobody to hold it down. Uh Carmy has left al long before that Their mother is not in a position U from an emotional standpoint, to be that rock for everyone. She actually stresses everybody out. And so they're kind of splintered. right And Richie who's stability was in that family mostly is kind of on an island Um And he was the slowest one to change and all of this stuff C and say almost killed each other The slowest going to change, but now He has become the rock. He has become the rock for them. Richie is now a character that whenever he opens his mouth, like I expect wisdom because he's really had to look at himself and evolve All of this is happening Everything is wet This is loud four episodes. This is a frantic four episodes. This is an episode where let me ask you this, did you laugh? there are a couple of times that I last, but I didn't really This this these four episodes to me is not great proof positive for the whole Bear as a comedy contingent I largely just don't care about whether the bear is a comedy or not conversation, but to answer a question, I didn't laugh But I was almost happy. I didn't because I was like These four episodes did the interesting thing where I'm like, o creators are trying to like ize something They are trying to this season I was just like, o, I was trying to put my mind like My head in like Joanna Callow, Christopher Store, the showrunner, co creator of this and I was like Like I said in the beginning, to me this season feels like What happens when you finally make the same When Eban Moss Bakrach was talking about the beginning of the bear, he was just like, we thought this was the red headed stepchild Nobody thought that this was going to be a big thing. This was It was coming out around a time where it was like Disney pllus had like the Mandalorian and all the MCU and the MCU TV shows and you have this thing that's the bear, that's like this indie comedy Almost throughout its run. Bear has not only become more ambitious, It's become a little bit more prickly And to me, these four episodes were a little bit more prickly, where it was like and I could one of the moments was interesting When Sugar's talking about her mother with Carby And they both say something that is like You never want to say to people, but I've had this conversation as someone who has addiction that runs in their family, where it's that thing where it's like, oh, you kind of want them to fuck up Not because you want them to hurt themselves, but because this person has let you down so many times before. want on to hit rock bottom. The feeling of like becausecause I've had that feeling where it's like I've been disappointed by this person so much And when you have a long space of time where they have't And they're showing you that new version of themselves Is that thing where it's like, o I don't want to forgive you. Yeah. I like the hurt is so much For me to forgive you, I have to let some things go that I will never That will never be And I was like, oh, that's interesting because I'm like through that character. what they're really talking about is just like this family and the bear as an institution for Carm me to let go She has to realize Your brother Odid You're never going get that like one last conversation with him. Y you're never going get those years back with your mom where she was like the perfect version of like, you're never going to get the version of the beef that you wanted. Like if you remember from the early seasons Carmie didn't want to leave. Carmie wanted Mikey to want him to stay there And it's like it's interesting that I'm like that's a very prickly concept of like to your point of like not just Carme, but all of them Can you let go Like are you healthier if you let the family go, if you let the business if you let the business die or Do you fight tooth the nail to keep it alive as long as possible profound things you' saying there, forgiveness is unsafe And it's why people are bad at it, but it's particularly unsafe if you're doing it for the other person. Yeah. If you're doing it for yourself, then it's not unsafe. it's actually therapy Um Everyone in this particular family U Their safety was together. When they were pulled apart, they realized how unsafe they really were because they're so intense. what Richie was kind of talking about any of these characters now That's the thing that bothers me We start this show with Tina talking to her husband We start the entire season. Tina talking to her husband and she's talking about what she stands to lose. Man That's a really important state It's a really important scene because You know, a show goes away, the bear comes back every single year, but the show goes away for a little while and you forget what the show is about. you forget what's supposed to happen. like. You know, howouse of a dragon is back and the'm like. Okaykay, where are we at? What happens? What's going on There's a lot that this happened. But when she goes, This is my family. She doesn't want to lose them. doesn't want to be in a situation where she's not working with them ever again because It won't be like this again That's what the show is about now. And so All of the stuff that people are talking about When you can choose not to forgive your mom if you don't if you want She only got one mom So if you don't choose to forgive your mom then you're not choosing to have a mom no moreore You can choose not to give it all to the restaurant and it all to your friends. You can choose to micromanage, you can choose. But once it's gone, it's gone It's not coming back Every hug is one less hug Every day is one less day So when you're in something and it's good and it's working and it feels like it's where you're supposed to be What are you willing to do What are you willing to sacrifice Oh both personally and professionally to stay there All you really is sacrifice money time Are you willing to sacrifice years off your life for something that's perfect or something that works for you? That Tina scene, why I loved it is I'm like No one really prepares this for you when you join the workforce But I've had jobs like this where I'm like, I hated the job. I hated being a fry cook. But then I'm like, damn, I spent three years with y'all. Like it's this is a family. We're never going to have this When I was at Rolling Stone, there was a moment where it was like, I felt Tina where I'm like, You wait so long to get to this place and you're working with people who helped get you there And the minute you leave to your point, Dan we never going for work drinks like this. We could get drinks later, but it's never we not leaving the same office. Were not fighting the same wars I'm gonna have to go Do it again I'm going to have to make a new family. I'm going to have to use my skills and build this all over and donon't know where it's going to end this season, but it's a fascinating question of like P. I think a lot of the I think as important as the bear is for everyone, Marcus might be better off going to Copenhagen. when you see Luca is like, Hey, I got my Copenhagen boys coming, like, d d out. He's like, No, I got to work here I had to start I was like Bea you're the best like new chef. you're like There's a life out there for you. probablyrobably would be more successful in Copenhagen. I look at someone like Tina where I'm like Tina, you could go work anywhere now. And it's like that push and pull is a very, very huge. You don't know. You don't know if you you' know if it Maybe what she's describing is comfort. Maybe she needs to be uncomfortable. Maybe this entire run of her life working at the beef, changing over and learning new skills at the bear is so that she could go and live her best life. you don't know. Or maybe her best life is right inside that restaurant with the leaky pipes. You're not sure. it's scary. All of it' scary. Is the stuff outside the restaurant working for you like with computer and the, you know, them going to try to get the permits or like whatever and all of that stuff is the is them being the sort of existential threat of the bear commerce, money, what has to happen, structures legitimately is art versus Blueprints. It's not working for me fully, but I will say as someone, one time I had to like Go on goodood morning America for some reason And there wass the chef And It was like before the it was before like u the Super Bowl And he was like teaching like this is like an award winning chef who had like a pop and restaurant in New York And he was teaching all the hosts. How to make like nachos. and we're like we're chilling in the back room and at one point I go Why do you do whyy do you do this? Not like looking down on it like ye And he goes Bro, let me tell you. I've had an award winning restaurant Thou closed and what I will tell you is I'm like this is the shit you gott to do. He's like, you know where I'm working now And I'm like where he's like, I' working at a hotel. And when I was watching this, I was like, what? And he's like I have an award winning restaurant now that I'm the head of in a hotel and you want to know why The hotel It' basically offsetting everything with this restaurant. So I get to cook I get to make all this fancy shit And in my off time, I go on Good Morning America, I go on the food network, blah, blah, blah blah blah. But he's like restestaurants are really, really hard in these cities, New York, Chicago, LA or whatever. He's like There's a reason why so many great restaurants attached to hotels. And it was like that was a moment where I'm like, even if this story's not working, I'm like I was like, oh, this is something that's true This is something that you could tell the creators like Stor Kalo, all of them are like to chefs. and are like, yeah, this is the evolution. findind out dining of all this shit where it's like It's the same thing with Ebra and the franchising where I'm like, yeah. That's the less sexy part of the show to me. I don't know if it's working. But it is important to have it there because this show is not the wire. there are moments in the wire where they are like showing you the foundation of how this entire thing is built. Yeah. And I think that's what this show has always been good about where it's like Even if it's not working fully, I'm like, Oh, I'm like Carmans did want to run a version of the Bear. That's undernderneath a hotel, R. Carm me w actually franchise this place. Would he be good at it? Is that And I'm like When we even when you look at careers I' like Hollywood, I'm just like, damn every director now got a fucking podcast is hocking this, hogking that. And I'm like I'll ask you, I'll thow back to you Would the show be as realistic if it flinched away from these moments of like who owns the building How much does it cost Beuse I've also talked with people who have owned restaurants before.'s like people don't want toy restaurants. it's a fucking craps shoot. like not just owning a restaurant, but like the building of like, there's oil, there's water, there's leaks. there's like Fucking fire headads like. Yeah So yeah, to answer a question A little bit, but what is working about this season, I will say, I'm so glad we don't have the celebrity cameos We haven't as of yet. As of yet. Yeah I think it has my appreciation because I'm just like, guys, this is a family, this is a sitcom at the end of the day. Yeah I enjoy spending time with our people in this kitchen And to your point, I think when it's like about everythingthing outside because I was I don't know if you watched it. I watched the Gary episode. with some with Edan M Bakrack and And my Jon Birth. Yeah Good episode. I'm glad that they did not tack it onto the season. Right. In a final season, I want it to be about Carmie said Richie Tina Marcus, like in this fucking kitch I think you're right And I think what you said earlier about the show being this indie darling and being up against all of these B huge streaming shows on Marvel, Disney plus, whatever Um, and it through is kind of like when your favorite band has that one gigantic song You know And then is I This is funn No doubt, their first album comes out and it doesn't do anything And then they dropped Tragic Kingdom. And I think Tragic Kingdom sold like thirteen million albums or something like that. they go crazy.. So eventually you get to the point to where like, you know, No doubt records are being produced by Timberland and stuff And that's not that's not a d to timimberland. That's just saying that like Once you get big You feel like you got to stay big. And how do you do that? Well, that's where you get a John S the cameo. I thought the Brie Larsen stuff really worked, but even still, even some of the episodes that we don't look at as cameos like all the family stuff's like look at all these people are the bear. And not only that, but those people U Th people want to be on the bear now because the Bear is not just a show that u that is is star making for the people that are on the show It's a show that if you're going on the show, it's star making it rejuvenates your star. Yeah. Like it got to a point to where Seinfeld made a bunch of stars. then It was a big deal for stars to go on Seinfield, to go on Friends, to go on the Cosmay showh. It becomes something thats is the home for big stars That works better other places than it does on a show like this because it's so intimate. It's so many people in so many rooms and they're talking so much And John Son is talking to me, John Son is talking to me, right But when Jeremy Allen White is talking to me Carmy's talking to That's what's important But I think this is the gift of the curse When they revealed Bernthal was Mikey, that worked. Well yeah, because Birthal is different. Like when they when they reveal Bernthal's Mikey, first of all, 's a little different Berthal as a guy that like is such a he's doing a good job in his career. in being John Bernhal, but also being whoever he is. because he is such a character actor. Berthhal plays leads. he plays on the side of people He can slip into something like this and slip back out and not dominate or take over. It's John Bernthhal is a part of this. So he is, that's a good point. But he is a unique actor and a unique talent in that you can orient a story around him or you can just sprinkle him on top and make make your shit better or make your shit b batch shit crazy depending on what he wants to do. Like And so but when you got Mulaney, I thought Mulaney Great in the Fish' episode. He's so funny but I'm ree larsen and that's Like think you like Yeah, this the, you know, it's different like Once again, this show also has So many smaller Brilliant facts like are such great characters have fitt in this world so well. You want more of those guys. You don't want to sacrifice anytime with those guys For anybody else that you're used to seeing on Instagram? Ebra, that was when laued. When Era kept going what he starting is like. What he say I'm not going to be intimidated by his blue eyes. Right. Yes. like Also the Carmi Sid dynamic, which I feel like the show was sacrificing is really working again in this season. It's back to almost like first season, Cari Sid vibe. That's why I like these first four episodes when they even that moment where she's like, can you give me a little space Well I was just like, whereere these two? and it's like Big big part of this was like, o, are they in love? this and that? And I'm like No, I think what people were actually reading into is that those two perform performers, Jeremy Allen White and Io suchuch chemistry. They have great chemistry. They can hold the camera and it's like E when people think about their like movie careers, I'm just like We were actually seeing those first First w seasons of the Bear is like something magical that almost That is so hard to happen where it's like, damn It is so hard to find two who are this eportless together where you feel like not only are they the characters These people have known each other for a lifetime. And that's actually if we wrap up, that's why I will end up missing about the bear, which is like we could talk about the ups, the middling, the downs or whatever where I'm like many shows in this streaming era uce this many characters where I'm like, I love Richie I love carbet shows like facts. like these are characters on They family, My famouss Allright guys That has been Our first episode for the last season of the Bear. We're going to be back with the next four episodes very, very soon. Make sure you tap in with Joe and Rob because they will be continuing their coverage of Cape Far this weekend. And a special shout out as always, I want to say this Hi. producer.