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From the world of legally blonde, watch Al, a new original series only on Prime videoide july first Hello, welc back to the PstT TV podcast.iew. I'm Joina Robins. I'm Robahononey. It is episode eight off Widows Bay. Your baggage. mine. s Definitely. I did think it was interesting that last week's episode was titled Our History, and this week's episode is titled Y Baggage Um Who's unpacking bagage in this episode? Patricia, certainly. Absolutely man history. Tom Ean. Tom and Evan, for sure. What's in the basement We have yet to find out And and Wick lastast week was more of Wick's unpacking of baggage, but you know, we got a little dip into the Jerry baggage pool. He wanted to unpack some baggage and then, you know, just had to eject from that whole situation. She really loved that like resolution to was being like, yes. And then Wick and Jerry are finally Oh. No no She has a fellow. She's a fellow. She's very nice. She's very nice. And he's like wick you old. That's really good. Also the second dust pan gag of the season, We're thriving. Oh yeah Do you think like the comedy of Threes we're gonna to get a third? We simply have to. The sea Hag will emerge from the water, clean something up very quickly Dust it off. They didn't dust pan up the remain the remains of the boogeyman. There is still time They should remains a word I learned from podcasting with you. Okay. This episode is directed by Andrew Young Written by Emma Ketchham, a writer who we could not find other writing credits for. No We have some questions if you or anyone you know know Emma Ketchham and have some things to say about her. If you are Emma Ketchem. Presressyot Emma. PresyBsfotifyot com.ot We loveved your up. I loved her episode. Rob, did you love this episode? I I loved it. lookook. I love Patricia.. I love Halloween. Therefore I love this episode. Halloween the holiday or Halloween the film franchise? I'm so glad you dressed the film franchise. Distinctly not the holiday. Yeah, you're not really my vibe. No, okay. Are you a like stay at home watch horror movies Halloween guy? Yeah, that part's great. Yeah yeah. This year, I'm actually I would love to go to the big nightmare before Christmas basash at the Hollywood Bowl. That's my Halloween plan for this year. as an LA resident. That we didn't get to see Catherine O'Hara. while she was amongst us. genenuinely brutal. Okay, so the guy The guy I know, you Rah Mahoney, dresses up as Leonardo DiCaprio for various Leonardo DiCaprio marathons anti the big like the big dress up holiday. I just don't want to be told what to do. You know, if it's if it's a fake holiday I've invented and I get to exercise on my own terms, great. If it's like, oh, no, the institution of B Halloween wants you get to go to the spirit store big Halloween Is it not? Is it not an industrial complex? It's a pagan holiday that has been appropriated by Citalism. Put some respect on Saon. All right, so mailback Several So many More than ever before, people have emailed us press GTV at sppotify. com to say and I quote The secret wararren is Evan you dumbedoms. That's not what anyone wrote, but it's ess's essentially. Okay, so the secret wararren theory that we sort of entertained in last week's episode.. everyvery single person on the internet is like we're way ahead of you,. C clearly Evan. It's obviously Evan. We got some other possibilities a couple people were like, what if it's Wick We got a compelling Ruth theory that I quite liked, which I could talk about in a second, but Overwhelmingly People think it's Evan and I really have to agree because narratively This is by far the most interesting choice. If Tom's son, Evan Loftis is person that needs to die in order for the curse to be broken Tom, who if you know, as you mentioned last week, if you go back and rewatch episodes previously in this season Little lines take on different meaning So the fact that Tom, in almost every single episode has said Where's Evan? Is Evan okay? How's Evan doing? Like constantly tracking his teenage son which the parents of Stranger Things could take some notes because often they forget they have children for episodes at a time, right? So Tom never dropped the ball on this. I mean, he might not always have his eye on Evan, but he is always wondering, whereere is Evan? Is he okay? So is Evan Okay Yang The like big question of the season posossibly is narratively incredibly interesting and juicy. It makes a lot of sense. And I personally love a as somebody who like, I will go to bed every day for the rest of my life for the video game. life is strange. A like person you love or the town, critical choice right in my wheelhouse, right in my zone. So I'm excited if it goes that way. I will say a couple of things. One I think it could also be very narratively juicy if it was someone that Tom cares about who is not Evan. And who does Tom care about who's not Evan? I think Patricia is the most sensible candidate as the most established character who feels closest to Tom, who we have spent the most time with And then it's a choice of like, not do you give up your son's life, which like Who's going to sacrifice their son for the sake of this town? I think that's a pretty tough sell Certainly not Abraham, I guess. Certainly, pererhaps not. But if it's like, oh, if it's sacrificing somebody else for the sake of your son's freedom That's a different kind of intellectual exercise that I could also see the show engaging in Especially I mean the Absolute You know traama of this episode where which opens with We did it. Everything's fine. The sun is shining to us are enjoying their time Tom is going to take Evan not only to a Red Sox games, but also to like look at colleges. And Evan's like excited to get off Island and go look at colleges. I really like Evan so much. too. We've got We kind of said that all season, but we've gotten some emails from people being like, Evan's a little shit, I don't really like him. I really disagree. Like I thought especially in this episode, the dramatic reveal in the mirror like hello Tom it was like really funny But like Evan's anger at having the truth hidden from him but his you know, bewilderment and sorrow over these incredibly confusing and upsetting letters written by his mother. all that information and it ending not with like I hate you, fuck you, like anything like that. But just, you know, when Tom says because it would make me sadder than I already am. Yeah. Like I just thought that was like incredibly lovely. And like I think the two of them have Yes, it's a teenage boy and his dad, but they have like kind of a really lovely relationship also. Truly. I mean their relationship is going to be critical to the end game in one way or another. regard whooever the secret Warren or Warrens end up being. And frankly, that's my larger point with all this stuff is Are we crawling with Warrens? Well we this is a very small island And anyone born on the island cannot leave. We're told and we assume at this point without dying. Right. Are there not lots of secret warrrens? Great question. Very small gene pool here on Widows Bay. I think it's more narratively interesting if there is but one sure. Secret wararren. But because the boogeyman has been going around killing all the other secret warrants. O I don't know. On the secret Warren, it's Evan, you dummies front. We've got the whole Broch angle. Oh we're on brooch watchatch. Broch watchatch twenty twenty six. Also broch spepelling watch twenty twenty six. Redit the Widows Bay subreddit is a flame because a lot of people think you spell broch. as it broach the subject. Yes. But it's a double z broch Um This has caused a lot of argument. So you're here to broach the etymology of broach. Marion Webster says you can do it either way, honestly. Really that's interesting to know. anyyway The brooch that we see, Sarah Warren as played by the great, the leegend Betty Gilpin, give to Frances Warren the youngest girl who seems to be the child in the painting. The only child she acknowledged. gives her the brooch put on her doll. The brooch is not amongst the children's belongings in the museume Brooch does show up in episode five in a painting that Tom is looking at when he is tripping on the mushroom. Oh wow. He's sitting in City Hall. and he is looking at this painting of this like old man gripping the neck O a woman next to him, the woman has a missing finger, which young Francces Morren had a wagon wheel had a missing finger due to a wagon wheel incident and is wearing the brooch So that is probably a grown up Frances Warren with her terribly old husband. seems like a lovely marriage the way he's wearbing the back of her neck. You know what? donon't judge them. Anyway, where did that brooch go? Yeah Eagle Eyed viewers have noted that when Evan O, I had to like, I was like what the hell are you guys talking about? I had to like really scour through the footage when Evan and that Racy off Island girls, Kelly open the black metal box that was in it's boxes and boxes and boxes. The black metal box is in the trunk in Tom's room. Inside of that, there's a little It's it's a it's like a cardboard ry box. It's not like a velvet one, but like if you got earrings from this like a and they came in a carlaers A little nicer. A loveve costume jewel. Yeah yeah Could it contain a broche? Yes. It could contain any. It does look quite like jewelry boxish. Okay but it could contain any number of jewelry items, but it is in there with the letters and the photos. It's on the bottom right if you want to go back and look at it. So Is that brooch something that, you know, Lauren Loftess, Tom's wife had and is left behind with these other collectible items. It sure feels like it. It just feels like that's where we're headed. And there's even the seeds in terms of the letters that Evan is reading, the one about like everyone has two mothers, your mother and your secret mother.. There's just just enough illusion in dancing around the idea that Lauren and therefore Evan of the war and bloodline and therefore, for the purposes of this curse in real deep danger A listener Kat, I believe it was wrote in in terms of it being Francces Marren being the child that survived She Kat was like, it's important that it's a you know, a female descendant because then no one is going to be named Warren, R. Right? Whever Frances Warren that old man who' gripping her neck, whereerever she marri The wor name is gone out of the equation. U and then what I'm hearing is for the purposes of mystery. Patriarchy good Yeah. U but also as far as Patricia goes, believe women when they say the boogeyman is back. But what about when they say the boogeyman called them? What about if they say I need your little baby hands to reach out my nose to take the scorpion out? It's complicated. I mean, you can believe that. I just wouldn't do it Cat our lister Cat says this is Thatat's like, my bet is that it's Ruth I think he explains why she's so tired and needs to frequently leave the office all the time. with the commommuting with the devil takes a lot of you to you. Great, greatreat stuff from Kat. U Okay, on the Boogyman front Um you know in terms of like who has been sacrificing people to the island to keep the island appeased all this while Our listener Roberts says, what if the Booyan' vims were actually classic Virgin sacrifices to is just instead of throw them into a volcano, he baked them in a dryer. This would turn that monster into not a hero exactly, but at least someone trying to combat the island's curse and that would be a fun tropean version that seems like this show would have fun with. Yeah Whats about that? about the Boogeyman being an island protector of some kind. I love that email. I did think it was maybe slightly challenged, if not debunked by this episode in which the boogyman is like just straight Michael Myers as far as we know, but I also don't know Patricia's full sexual history Is it possible that she has gotten to this age and is Are we do we need to interrogate the virginity of character?ex over Lexiia and Euforia all over again. I don't wantan to talk about it. Okay. Carlace or Jeff Roted to say, in the previous episode, when they mentioned the hospital you can drive by but not slowed down Jeff said, place might contain Tom's wife, in my opinion Since we were already hit with the quote haunted large building note with the hotel, I don't think they'll just repeat that. I think it's an active sanitarium with a clearly rough reputation. Wh slash Mom is in there The way that Tom was talking about it does not seem like it is currently active. But I would not be surprised if that is where his wife was you know, before she passed away. Completely tracks. I also thought that moment in Tom and Evans' conversation where Tom like reflexively pushes back on the idea that it was an institution. R that it was an asylum and then has to like say that accept and say it out loud So many great acting moments for Matthew Reese within this episode. I really agree. Some listeners and commenters We're pushing back on my assessment that when Sarah says in the previous episode, I am but four and ten That that means forty instead of fourteen. Yes. You're wrong. It's four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie. like that's twenty four. Like that's the the whole thing. That's the construction. So I do not I think that's the whole joke. A lot of people were like, she doesn't look fourteen and I'm like, that's that's the bit. That's the bit. That's the joke. spepeaking of wrong, I was wrong. I just need to get that small one in there before What four crows for you to eat unfortunately? My PJ Glanvell theory is bullshit because that is not the same actor. I have blond teenage blindness and I apologize, I did not do my due diligence. I really do think Previously, I've been treating Widows Bay as like a fun show that we really liked that I was just sort of like we're going in on euphoria and then we're also doing Widows Bay as a treat My priorities have kind of flipped in the last like week or so and I would say Widow's Bay is my focus now. What was the inflection point, do you think? Like what fully switched that balance? quality of the shows on the one hand, but also just sort of like Getting that Puig Glanville thing wrong just Underlined to me that I was not taking this seriously as seriously as I should as a theory show, which it is and I need to not be like flip with my theories unl's just get into the closing credits and scour for names and get really clear on what we're talking about. So here I am coming correct on Wows Bay. Look, we have a commitment to accuracy and excellence on the prerestige TV podcast sometimes. Most of the time I will say sometimes some of that's like you to learned from the show too, as far as like, okay Are the theories such a central part of the show? Is this a goofy horror show? It's a theory show. I think the seeds had been there that it was a theory sh from the beginning, but it was certainly a matter of like, okay, how seriously do we need to take every clue? How much do we need be looking for breadcrumbs around every corner? Or is it just gonna be like, this episode is a fun rom in a haunted hotel, you know? Right. But I think like the ways in which we've been able to go back and like ree examamine certain lines And this secret wararren business is like, which seems like it will be so integral to the end game here. It's not over. This is a meticulously constructed show. impmpressively so. Absolutely. Our listener Patrick wrote in with a theory that the hallucinatory experiences in the hotel episode with not just Tom, but with also Kurt, the Innkeeper, locked in sort of the c the capaptain's room, the losing time, all that sort of stuff like that. When they go in and later say mold on the walls o me, I thought that meant time had passed differently and like mold had grown on the walls, but Patrick is like, is that connected to the black mushroom? L mushroom black mold in the hotel sort of a similar strain and like wherever there be spooky black fungus. Yeah something to be concerned about. Once the black algae comes up like we're gonna be really in business. There's a whole sub genre of horror fiction writing. That is like fungus based. Is it because of our just like deep lack of understanding? Ls there's a line in which we understand what the fungi are up to. And then there's a point at which scientists are like, I'm going to be honest. We don't know what they're doing or thinking. Somebody sent me, I have not, okay. Let me just be really clear. I' not done my journalistic due diligence and like source this article, but somebody has send me antle. I haven't read it yet. H haven't read yet. I'm not cosigning this But people send me spooky mushrooms articles all the time because the last of us they sent me one that was about how like a mushroom learn how to crawl via a robot body. like they put a mushroom in a robot and it learned to crawl. And I'm like, why if that's true. Ag, that might be bullshit Why are we doing that? Why are we training them? Why are we doing that They've evolved into weird parasitic excellence all of their own. I don't wna facilitate it. Scientists, why are we doing that? That's like sort of my rallying cry twenty twenty six. Okay, just a couple more things before we can get more seriously into this episode. You were asking where the oldld Warren house was. We had a lot of people write in saying the historical Society the Old Warren house But our listener toicole noted that the historical society is like right across the street from the restaurant. The salty whale. Yes. So it's I mean, it's a small town. The small town iss a small island. Here's my only bone to pick with this episode I'm sure she doesn't know that Michelle is Very pregnant, Sheell is very pregnant She doesn't know, where has Bashir's wife has she been in confinement like yoli times? Nobody knows his wife is pregnant. And if then, would you not ask a question after she's disappeared from public view? However pregnant. And there's one gas station. We don't all know that she's pregnant. Yeah. That was my only question. But but she being in the gas station being like, I have to eat this here. My wife doesn't want to smell it. I'm like, yeah, that's a pregnant lady. Plus we saw. Okay Um a fun theory that's going around is that Abigail, who is the woman that Sarah knocked into the ocean with the oar who' been infected by the plague is the se haag herself. I do love this. Fun. The actress is Vianne Cox, who, as I mentioned um, She's in you've got Male, Masal, she's been around for gageillion years. and it would be really fun. I do believe the C Hag is played by a different actor. onene million percent. I am not PJ Glanvilling this. I'm not saying that's the same act. Let's get ahead of it. These are different actors. These are different actors. Yeah said a lot of time has passed. You know, Maybe you do a little recasting Sometimes when you got to hang it up, it gets a little different Last not least, this is not an email. just I just want to put this on the record. Okay You have convinced me What have I done? Via friendship. too go see the film Speed Racer. By by the time this episode drops, I will already have seen Speed Racer at the Egyptian here in Los Angeles. Okay In exchange. First of all, you're welcome. In exchange You said you would watch midnight mass. I did. So I'm just putting that on the microphone. You havent watched yet. I haven'ted speed Racer yet. It's a try spepeedracer When all the basketballing is done, and perhaps you have some more of your life back. I think perhaps sooner we can at least start sooner. Okay. You will enjoy some midnight mass and then you will understand why people are talking about midnight mass so much in relation to this show I can't wait I love it. My only question for you is there like a runtime equivalency here? Like Do do you need to watch Speed Racer five times? Well the thing is, I don't think I'll like Speed Racer and you know you'll love Midight Mass. I know for a fact you are gonna love Speed Racer. To kids, summer isn't just time off. It's time g with confidence and curiosity. But when school meals pause Millions of children is the food they countnter Your support helps the Feeding America Network nourish every child's potential. Give now at feedingammerica d. org slash suummer Hunger timeline for Widadows Bay, J some just some major events that have happened that I just want to run through. So in the in seventeen oh two And and I shout out the widowsase sububreddit, which is just thriving. I got this off the subredit. Okaykay. In the year seventeen oho two, a plague reaches the island And the same year, founding father Richard Wardren married Sarah Wescott He also carries a single cylinder containing the heart of the plague affecting Widows May seventeen eighty six, a deadly storm strikes Widows Bay forcing the residents to take shelter inside the church. fourour days later, they turn to cannibalism So seventeen oh two and then seventeen eighty six Fteen ten, the SS Mary set sail from Widows Bay, but while returning to the island, the mayor orders the lighthouse to be shut down Puffppeting the captain's bride The ship crashes, killing everyone on board. That's eighteen ten. eighteen forty six. fog that stole the Souls occurs, a supernatural fog in Gulfsea Island presumably carrying ghosts of the SS Mary saailors eighteen seventy three, SS Mary still featuring, a ghostly ship appears off the coast of Widow's Bay the SS Mary, which had sunk sixty two years earlier. Okay Fast forward nineteen fifty one A serero killer clown terroriz the Widow'say in nineteen sixty two, a devastating New Year's Eve disaster strikes Widows Bay two thousand, a serial killer targets teenage girls in Widows Bay earning the nickname The Boogeyman The year twenty twenty six, the fog returns A se haag emerges. General Hagery ensues. U Again, this is quoting this subreddit, by a cign. Our Queen Patricia gets tricked by a cursed book, throws a party and nearly gets everyone drowned in the bay. Acurate The boogeyman returns and a storm's a breuin. So like in terms of Calamitous things that have befallen Widows Bay. Yeah This is just Like you know, a rapid acceleration of all the things are coming back here in the year twenty twenty six. A couple more incidents that we don't have years for the witch burnings. We don't have quite a year for that The Captain from the Inn who lost his mind, and then the Ungrateful Hortense Fitzgerald, our most favorite incident So that's, I mean, I don't know, it's just fun to think about not funa, but like it is fun to think about, you know how many days they've thrown at us Yeah But we don't have a sort of like every ten years or every five years or something like that. The island and its capricious thirst for blood and souls to devour, doesn't seem to have a set schedule that we understand yet. Well, it's when it gets hungry, the bell rings And then you bring whichever body you would like to sacrifice down into the little chair dungeon, open up the panel, or maybe you don't even need to open the door. Maybe it's gonna to open the door. You just leave whoever you want in the chair, be on your way and you buy yourself to nine years of peaceful tranquility. In people scouring the items that are in the museum, there is like a barbed wire thing that almost looks like a crown of thorns. like it's very jesusy in its construction, but right next to it is like a leather T That looks like perhaps it is a cuff that was once attached to said chair. So again, this is like Like, a seecret hiding in plain sight of this town Who knows? G, this is the question we were asking ourselves last week, Who knows? Genuinely terrifying. But again, as you're laying out all these dates, all I'm hearing is there have been hundreds of years of war and propagation And there there have to be so many war wararants out there. I thought you said war and propagation, but war and propagation, sure U All right you you think we're just crawling with with Mren. I think if this were true to the family tree. It would This island would be riddled with warrrens. Narratively, we're gonna have one to two warrrens. Let's circle back. I don't think it's physically possible for a novel to be longer than Warren peace. trying toescaate that time me and I don't think The foreign propagation could be? I don't think so. Is it just the Bible Honestly, yes. All right. Uh, this episode episode eight We're finally getting to it. Rob. Uh, given your Enhusiasm for Oroca Flow. Yeah, which appeared earlier in our prerestige Eperien this season industry, right? It was Ea came up. How did you feel about Caribbean Blue Ea being here in this episode? Ecstatic. Do you think Patricia is an Ea listener? Does that track for? Yes. She owns pure Moods. I love it. Do you think How much did you, I mean, I'm so sorry that her order got fucked up and she doesn't want to get anyone in trouble. She just wants them to like maybe learn from the experience Tricia, satisfied with her work. She helped save the island, she thinks. Ana? on moderate Heavy pour The red wine pref. Why you being judment? I'm not judment. Okay. I'm celebr. not a little judgment. She doesn't have to be around those like mean women who are like, we're all drinking white if you want to drink red. That's fine, Patricia. She just can drink red in peace but not in peace becausecause the boogeyman's there. in peace because she tried to get chicken parama coconut cream pie. And she ended up with whatever like high protein diet nightmare this alternative order was. Uncillable monst trope and film CVM mythology So as you as you noted, we are definitely doing Michael Myers here. I mean, other than Jaws, I would say the clearest comp we've done to another withithout a doubt and the shiny I guess. But like this is even clearr I would say. And here's here's where I'm going Hopefully delight you with some stunt stunt actor suation. Okay So we have a We have Eron Armstrong spepelled in a really fun way, A I R O N. Okay Eron Armstrong is playing the Booy Man Um, Aron Armstrong played the shape in David Gordon Greenens's Halloween Kills, the shape nineteen seventy eight. So he played You know Michael Myers essentially like in ' seventy eight, right? Like that's so If you go on his Instagram, it's just like full of him in the Michael Myers mask. So like they got a guy. He's been here who like has done this. She knows how to stalock He he can fall and get up again He's got it The fun fact is that The actor playing, he's only listed as employee, but the gas station attendant, the one employee at the gas station. May he rest in peace U Is he dead? I mean, it was quite a throw. He got hurled into the canopy of the woods. It was quite a throw. He was only trying to run his gas station save a life. He really thought he was doing a good thing. That's also a stunt actor. His name is David Armstrong. So Aron Armrong and David Armstrong, arere they brothers? I could not conclusively prove this. so they do have similar cheekbones but I could not find Clear evidence They have both worked on Marvel Netflix shows def the Defender show. David Armstrong, who plays the gas station attentent was the Iiron fist double for Finn Jones. He also, he's been involved in a couple cursse properties. He was he was Bin Jones doubble for Iron Fist and he was also in Spiderm Man Turn offff the Dark on Broadway in the Spidey suit. these are things he done. But he's incredible. Like if you go on his Instagram and again, I was trying to match these brothers, but if you go on his Instagram, like he's incredible. Yeah. But I love the idea that they I almost like the idea if they are brothers or if they know each other, whatever But they cast him just for this like this moment this lift Yeah and throw. and they got like two season stunt performers to do this. L I think that's kind of great. The brotherly love of one stunt performer who has been Michael Myers being foe Michael Myers getting to throw his brother into the woods. I kind of like that as an idea. I genuinely do. And there's like history Heidi and Renee Moneymaker, who are two of my favorite female stunt performers sisters, like they're incredible. They're a dydasty. So I love this idea of a stunt dydasty. Anyway, so this is this is our booyen. What do you attribute that to? Is that nature or nurture? Is that just like there's something in their DNA that is thrill sa? I think they're probably no, I think they're probably like, you know, physically like exposed to this kind of work and then like probably yeah, you see that your older sibling is like You're both athletes, probably because like all stun people are athletes kids right? You're athlees and then you see your older sibling like get into this thing and you're like, oh, wow, I want to do that too. And it's pretty great U But in terms of like the unkillable monster trope in film TV mythology Michael Myers is not obviously like the original version of this. No. John Carpenter has said that Yoel Brenner in Westworld, the unkillable cowboy in Westworld was his like maintenance bow. There's also like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, like all sorts of stuff. And then in mythology, you know, even richer across the globe, this is a trope. And usually there's like One thing will do it In this case, Patricia hopes it's incineration, but it's a decent bet. Who's to say The dustpin might return, I don't know Um But one mythological creature I thought was interesting was Typhon, which is this Greek mythological monster, unkillable monster with Echidna, the father and mother of like most mythological monsters but was ultimately defeated by Zeus with lightning bolts. And I was just sort of like thinking about Patricia's Taser in that context. Like what is the taser if not Zus is lightning bolt of of Widow's Bay. It's a great connection. I mean, the stun gun being the closest thing we have to Zeus, I find it to be true of modern life. And I love that power for Patricia specifically, even if she's only at two percent. Is it a stun gun or a taser or is there a difference? I believe that is a stun gun. Okay. I believe the Taser is the one that looks shape wise counterintuitively a little more like a gun and shoots out the dart then electroic . I think that is aer I believe so. Okay. couldould be hideously wrong and it will issue another correction if that is the case. This is a great bit The like low battery on this, the needing to charge it The tripping on the cord at one point. So one charger devices. Yeah. two proper cord management at all times. It will keep you alive. Keep the stun gun and or taser fully charged at all times, what you're saying I do think Look I have a couple of small notes, execution wise. If you are someone like Patricia, are you not keeping the stun gun in like your bedside table? Like, why is that by the front door? Maybe she has one upstairs?. Maybe she's multiple. Yeah.'s mayaybe she's got three or four just like scattered around the home. Okay, that part makes sense. Yeah. And this is the foyer one. I understand why from the moment that this dude is set on fire Mike Patricia's like, I'm just going to stand here with the shotgun. and honestly my favorite moment in stretch of the whole episode, even of putting theena aside. just the whole the wholeold thing of the shotgun to his head beat for beat for beat every step of the way Really wonderful stuff. I mean I did just have the question of, I understand why Patricia is not doing this, but anyone else involved, the EMTs or otherwise Is there no curiosity whatsoever to take off this dude's mask? And maybe maybe you already are so sure this is the exact same guy who was the boogeyman before Do you not want to just make sure? Do you not want to see what state he's in? And I think earlier in the episode too, when you first see the boogeyman and you first get this reveal that the mask has been stolen I at least had the thought of Is this somebody playing a cruel prank on Patricia? And clearly that has proven wrong over time. This isn't im mortal being who getting up after every fall. But like I didn't think it was Chris, but it's like, could Chris have hired somebody to scare Patricia for some cheap revenge? Chris. I'm just saying you got to take off the mask. We've seen the scream franchise. It could be anyone under the mask. It could be Skeet O Rrich. it could be Matthew Willard, it can be anyone Spoilers for all the screams. Just the first one. Okay fair I preserve the rest. The thing that I really like about this is because this is a recurrence to the Boogeyman. Yeah Because this is essentially like Hallllowoween too. Yes. rightight? This is U any any version of Halloween where Laorurie Strode is not believed about anything that happened to her spepecifically Halloween to. There's a moment in Halloween two where I think it's Dr. L Loomis is saying like, u you know, a law enforcement officer is like over the corpse of Michael Myers and he's like, get away from him. Yeah. he's not dead and Michael Myers slits that dude's throat, right? So like we get exactly that right empty here. So I like that this is a sequel and this a whole idea of like again, believe women or whatever, believe Patricia except she wasn't always telling the truth, but she's mostly telling the truth. Would she shows up at a book club And she's like trying to help them. But also aren't we kind of like getem, Boogey Man? That's the same. Like get Chris, at least, you know. They really walk the line and I'm like And this is what great horror movies do. is's like, you kind of do want to see some people die Yeah. and you want to pick and choose who it is and you may be right, you may be wrong. Protect Patricia. obvious Some of those'en gonna get to go. Chris, especially, Chris getting tased was or stungunned was like incredible. Incredibly funny. Yeah. a great just like surprise moment within this episode. But I also I love that kind of Halloween too dynamic. or if you even want to take the sequel part out of it Trishia as like somebody who is very like fluent in horror movies almost. L she's not doing any of the I would say maybe putting aside the occasional like stop and wait to see if he shows up She's leaving nothing to chance. Yeah. She's getting her traps laid. She's there with the shotgun. She's like, I am not I'm not letting anyone fuck up this chain of incineration. Well, the thing that I like again, and Widows Bay has been so good about this from the beginning is we are not so far ahead of the audience. So we see that the Boogeyman mask is gone and immediately Wick's like, I'm going to the house And then I'm going to find Patricia. Yes. And even though Wick does not ultimately like is not integral into saving Patricia any case. like he's on it, right And the Patricia As soon like, you know, she gets lured outside. and doesn't notice that her front door is open. but like pretty quickly is like There's fucking someone here. There's creepy breathing in this next room.m I'm out of here. You know, And so she's not like I'm gonna take my time, get ready for you know what I mean? It's It's just sort of like she's with us, the audience when we're like, there's a dude there and you gota run. And the dread of that filmmaking, I I was really affected. from the moment you see the open door Right And you get the heavy breathing and you get her trying to sneak out the front. And just like you as an audience member are trained to every dark corner. and like trying to see like is there somebody there? Is there a boogym there? Is there a normal human there? Like pulling us into that experience is such a key part of what makes effective horror. Like the fact that they're able to do that and do the jokes at the same time, I'm just never gonna stop being impressed by that. I know, I know. Something that I really love is that Among all these other things, u Kidle Flys physical comedy, which we have been praising the whole time her dancing in the previous episode, etcetera L her all of her running stuff is so funny. Her costume in this episode, the oversized shirt, the shorts and then the like wool like slippers that come up to your like that whole look is so good and just like so perfectly encapsulates this like beautifully awkward, storky sort of like run thing that she does and I just think it's so good She somehow manages to look like someone who is running for the first time. And that's really all you want in this kind of horror setup. question for the people for the inhabitants of Widows Bay. Okay A they all on sleeping pills. L no one's waking up, Patricia's running around and screaming her head off and everyone is sleeping soundly. It's very quiet there too. Yeah. Anyone's running around screaming bloody murder. although one of the things I do love about this sequence is how like out of breath she is. Like she's almost like trying to scream but gasping instead Really effective yeah, the banging on the doors, the screaming, you would think some neighbor Also who like what time is it Maybe the episode says, but like, is it a really late night book cllub Or are just a lot of people asleep very early on this island? I think it's like nine o'clock.. Aom The lovevely Bones Book Club I just want to say, Chris, who one of our listeners a while ago emailed to let us to remind us that Chris is the name of one of the bullies and Carry. So like, you know, a perfect naming for this character Chris reading the lovely bones and being like enraptured by quote unquote love story inside the lovely bones I'm glad that her friends were making fun of her for that. Like Goofy is not, you know, condemnation enough for Chris being like, o, and they had their little like Matching necklaces. Oh my God. I was I was Everything regarding the lovely bones in this episode is very good. And just like the fact that they would pick that for their book is very funny in a way that I cannot explain Wh likeike exactly what that touches, but it certainly does. You shout at the in the gas station in the previous episode They were playing three hundred eleven Aber, right? Yes.. In this episode, we're playing absolutely story of a girl by nine days How many days in a year She looks so sad in photographs. She did We absutely love her though. That's Evan's mom. when she smiles. And when she smiles, only when she smiles Absolutely, Story of a Girl nine days, Amber three hundred and eleven. This is a real like time warp gas station sort of thing On the one hand, is it? This is the musac of twenty twenty six is like twenty twenty twenty years ago.ic. But also the loveoly Bones was written in two thousand two Yeah Story of a Girl, absolutely Story of a Girl is a two thousand track. Yes. The Booy Man first appeared in like two thousand. So like is this just like sort of we're back in the time period of when the boogeyman was first haunting the island, just like a subtle sort of time warp energy. I think it's probably some of that. And also some of this idea that we've talked about in previous pods of just like everything here feels a little behind the mainland, right? Like there's just like a disconnect between normal modern life and this place where like there's shit for cell reception, maybe there's no WiFi whatsoever. We're streaming like old British horror movies This is just kind of what the vibe is on Widows Bay. the dream. And look, I I would welcome it. I would welcome many parts of living in Widow's Bay, Boogey men aside Can I just say that this, I think further proves my theory that cell phones ruin most movies. Okay. Because if Patricia had a charged cell phone that she could use to call Wick or Tom or anyone else those two people, probably specifically to come help her That's the end of the episode to aertain degree. All you have to do for that is like she was so scared or startled or she didn't bring it with her when she went to go check out the, you know, the patdty wagon. And then she comes back in and it's like across the room. It's upstairs. it's in the creepy room with the boogy man, whatever it. I just think this show is so much better because we cannot use the cell phone at all as a crutch, and irit a crutch. I'm not going to fight you on it. Everything about life in general be better without the cell phone connection. and yet here we are tethered to them. Yeah. Let's talk about Tal and Evan, if there's anything we haven't hit so far. We don't want to talk about I think it is scarier somehow that Lauren wasn't possessed or afflicted by something supernatural. and it is just like she had a stroke and a psychotic break. If that's all there is, maybe there's more to it. Maybe it's a deeper darker story than that. but I think I mean, you and I share, I think, a bond over these sorts of supernatural type stories. and when something just like very human and normal, but also depressing and tragic happens within them, it can be like the most gutting element. And that's where kind of my mind went in hearing what it seems happened to Lauren. You're alluding to I think a very famous storyline that we won't spoil in case Mallory is listening to this podcast from Buffy Vampire Slayer. Yes. But like I was also thinking about Buffy and I was thinking about the way in which like real life tragedies can become supernatural rightside of this world because like if Preclampsia being becoming this sort of like I don't know. Jane Eyre, like mad womoman in the attic, like my hidden like, you know, mentally unwell wife Um Turn turnurning something that sounds so literal and medical into this sort of gothic horror idea. I've uncovered this secret that my father kept about my mother. and the ravings inside of these letters certainly sound, you know er than you would you would think. So yeah, it can go either way, I think in that reg But either way we're thinking about Buffy, which is very on brand for us. It is very on brand for us. But yeah, I just love the treatment of it within those sorts of concepts. Yeah like it doesn't feel out of scope with the genre trappings of this show.t It felt true to what the story is and has been and the idea that of all of these secrets of you know, dead dead slash undead founders who were buried alive of like all of the mysteries of the island, that some are just like family mysteries that become this larger than life legendary kind of thing. How did you feel about Matthew Rese's performance in this episode? I had been having like so much slapstick fun all season. and we' we've raged about that. I love that aspect of of what he's getting to do on the show because I think it's very different from what he's often asked to do. Yeah To me, he has always been or most commonly been, the kind of performer who can just so easily tap into this like deep, profound sadness on a dime. Absolutely out of nowhere He's so charming. He can dial that part of it up and then it just undercuts and just stabs you in the side with some This is the Welsh way, Rob. Is you know? Yeahah We're sorrowful people. I'm sorry about that for you and I guess for Matthew Reese, but damn if it isn't effective. Yeah, he's so good in this episode. Like he's so good always, but like I just think And establishing all of that with Tom and Evan, with them finding like him coming clean Um him having this other stash of photos. I know of Lauren behind a book like I don't know more at the ready for him to gra I don't know why they were tucked the away there. I think just the idea though that there are these are being hidden for multiple reasons, right? Like there's the things he's keeping from Evan. And then there's just like the parts that he's keeping from himself. feel like he doesn't want to have to grapple with on a daily basis. And so part of like this like the person I love wouldn't want you to remember Yeah the person who wrote this letters. It' such an understandable and deeply depressing idea and one that would weigh down a family and weigh down a father The idea that we're seeing him try to understand like, what do I share with Evan when ike I'm going to bring out these photos that are sad to me that bring me down because in this moment, they're like a heartening idea, right the idea of who Lauren was and the life that she led before all this is somehow like now the happy thing that brings them together. We did get an answer from production on this show about the parentage between Tom and Evan. Did we They labeled the email, Rob, don't read this. I did not read it. Do you want to close your eyes for a second and I'll just tell the camera? Let's do it. Okay now we'll just zone out for a little bit. Do your thing. is not f They have to read my lips. And they had to watch the video in order to have they're on the subtitle Yeah, yeah yeah. U so that's that's information we have that Rob doesn't have. Thank you for protecting my innocence. I always I always protect yourence So let's talk about we've got two more episodes left. What, you know, obviously this, you know, it isn't over So our intrepid heroes are going to try to figure out what, you know If there's a warrenant still alive. Yeah. How do we eliminate them And presumably the reveal that it's Evan The last two episodes are called emmergency Selter. So a storms a breuwin. Yeah And we hope you enjoyed your time The sheer and his pregnant wife U you know, ha been toold by Patricia off the eyelids. Yeah. If this is Jurassic Park Rules and a storm is a brewin. Can you even get off the island You think this is like Is Lu bar? L you gott you gotta con my chopper Well, you got to get on the last boat around That is true. The storms herearing We can't get on the boat. We're on a ferry schedule. Yeah. It seems morning based from what we've seen. Although I imagine there is a later in the evening the island, right? That makes sense Yeah, I mean, we've we've already had copious warnings about like, oh, if there's thick fog, we're gonna throw that schedule to the wind. likeike it's nothing So bad news for Asir and his wife, bad news for all the off Island girls still on the island, bad news for the many visitors around the diner who are just like having a good time planning their holiday. You don't care about the off Island girls. Don't pretend now that you care about the off Island girls. about their general wellbe. Okay. In the pecking order of people who I wouldn't mind dying in Widows Bay Yeah, like Chris and some of the mean girls. Really Chris most of all. Chris most of all. The other women are like along for the right. wblers though. They are. They don't stop Chris right I'm not excusing them. Yeah And just the idea of like, The whole like, Bi, you don't have any friends because you're a psycho, just completely uncalled for I mean, and then she got stun gunned and or tased and it was great Can we stop for a moment and just appreciate what Patricia has been through over this stretch. Like you alluded to some of it, but it's like almost kills the entire town in a bonfire That night She goes with Wick and Tom and finds the Reverend's dead body hung on his own door Then she spends the next day babysitting Tom through his spooky mushroom trip, I mean, kind of off and on of her. But she's got things to do. She's popping around town. Babysitter ever. It's not great. I'm not saying she did a great job. Terrible job. And then she encounters the eternal corpse of Richard Barren, dug him up, clearly has seen some shit. posossibly offended him by something she said. And then is chased down by the boogeyman. This is like seventy two hours. Yeah, you know through it. She's allowed to stuun gun somebody. If it happens to be Chris, all the better. I really agree and you're ready to st. I'm not that you thought you were wrong, but I Googled it. You're right. It's a stun gun. I was fact checking gun shy this week. We're just like you know what? I don't want to get wrong I'm gonna be fucking dotted. Okay, so Ber and his wife Uh, anythingthing about Wick in terms of these final two episodes that you're thinking about I mean we have to get closure with Jerry They have to have a conversation, No, or you think this is it for them. Do you think are you rooting for Jerry's husband to die? so that say? Sounds likem also for sake of fact checking Not sure they're marri. Maybe they're just you know fea. They're partners, they're dating. I don't know. Youre right. I didn' I didn't ring check the fingers. Maybe Jerry's a swinger. I don't want to make too any assumptions. Whatever happens in Widows Bay stays in Widows Bay clearly because you cannot get off this goddamn island. because the last ferry is gone and a storm's a breuin. Yeah. All right, so we're going to take shelter somethinghing we have not talked about Dale and Rosemary. they're barely in this episode, but we do get this great like is it skin cancer? Y momoment with Rosemary, Dale. Ruth is also here. Ruth crucially, I will say basasically says, hey the the mo the angry mob has been calling for you. She names a bunch of people. and this sounds like sort of the action committee that is coming for mayor Tom Loftis. So is that going to play a part in the final tw? Sly has to. So yeah, what are the reminders we get of loose threads? I think the angry mob for sure, just the existence of Rosemary and Dale and Bruth, who I imagine if everyone is like Batening down the hatch in place sort of thing. Yeah We're going to have to account for them. Yeah. You know, touching base on the Wick Jerry stuff, but not concluding it. Are there any other kind of dangling threads that we should keep an eye on Um I don't know, whereere are the off What is PJ Gliveville He may not be in a immortal spirit, but he's up to no good. He is up to no good. Has everything been resolved church wise? Has everything been resolved black mushroom wise? Bell wise, you know Do you think is that reptile still in a walkabout? I don't know By the end of the season, will we see somebody in real time present tenents put in the sacrifice chair. Are we going to see that the big steel doors open? Well then is it over If someone gets sacrificed before the season iss over. Yeah is the cursatiated or does it thirst for more blood? I mean, to me, that's like the out, right? It's not as so simple as like, do you kill your son or protect the island? It's like There is another path here to buy time. Well, right, this puts Tom in the Richard Warren spot. Right. Richard Warren, who's like my children you know, have this tender, you know, towards his children, not towards his second wife, for sure, not towards his first wife, it seems like. No. Not really caring about the wives, but yeah Also, u Some of the, you know, it's interesting for Bashir's wife to show up in this episode because a lot of people have pointed out that like Other than now Bashir and Shell, we have not seen any existent couples, well, Jerry and her feella, I guess Yeah. But like that Tom is single, that Wick is single, that Patricia is single, and that we have not seen like any other uh, you know, couples and they're like, is that Widows Bay? Is that, you know I mean, it's a pretty limited dating pool. Like you can marry an off island person. but you gott to convince him to come. Like I'm just saying you get to the bottom of the hinge bucket real fast in Widows Bay. You keep swiping app It's just like, sorry, guys. I don't know, two extreme handsome EMTs showed up. Now only one of them walked away, but whereere does these guys come from? Really hot like, I think Patricia keeps encountering like incredibly hot men on this island. so I love this for her, you know Is she in that other MT at a moment? I mean, she surviving at least tried to save his life. Maybe kind of did. Certainly save Basher's life. Yeah. Patricia's a hero, you know? I agree. If the dating pool isn't good enough for her, who is it good enough for I was really worried when Bir got slashed to the belly. I'm glad that he seems okay. Along those lines, I mean, just the coolest thing anyone can do on screen is reload a pump action shotgun. and the fact that Patricia gets to do it let's fucking ride. Also loved her like, I mean, obviously, sorry, we're all over the map now, but I will say the whole like her plan that she forms to like put gas in the ground and then use her stun gun not a taser to light it up and then she's like, oh wait, I have to go pay for gas and runs inside. Like, Hey, guess what? The show rules. It's so funny. It's such a funny poff for just the slow walking Michael Myers thing in general. I really thought they nailed so many of those aspects. That's what happens when you get onene of the Armstrong brothers potentially to play Michael Myers. This is why you go to the source of one of the random Halloween sequels slash reboots. Yeah to get a version of Michael Myers. There's one shot in particular where we get a lot during the chase of Patricia kind of runs off screen and then you're kind of waiting for the boogeyman to catch up And On one of those occasions, the boogeyman is like three times closer to the camera than you expect. It's just like it's something like that where it's just kind of depressurizes the situation, you get kind of the jump being scared, but also the relief of the surprise at the same time Yet another way the show is just kind of perfectly calibrated. Also the score is really good in terms of the sort of like mimicking of the Halloween score, but doing its own special thing at the same time. It's a tough one to mimic, you know Carpenter's carpenter for a reason Anything else. J I do have one last thing If you were Jerry or a member of the historical Society. if you're a fine citizen of Widows Bay. Are you eager to put? implements of a mass murderer who may be an immortal beast of some kind like the boogeyman. on display in your museum. Are you putting your mask in there? If you're also saying like The witches, cotem burnem. likeike if that's sur vive, Jerry, I think you are. if you're like cannibalism for, you know, like that's what the whole historical society is. That feels like not an outlier at all. I guess not. especially look we live in a true crime era for the P people Woodows Bay, this is true crime Maybe I am just a little squeamish around this idea, but like serial killer, notes and recollections and masks feels a little grotesque. I don't even like true crime podcasts. Like I don't like a murder podcast. I'm not I prefer the lived experience. You prefer to be doing the murders But so would I go to the historical Society? No, not ever not on. Okay. But again, options are limited on this island of recreations. So somethingbody think about it. We gotta get Evan off here. We got to get into college. to college. gets to ponder. I' so excited He doesn't want to walk the freedom trail, but he has a lot of other things that he want. Now that he's known one off Island girl, he's like What are they all like that? and I need to investigate. And clearly he wants he wants to go to campus, whatever campus that might be in the greater Boston area. O campus, you know? Hey. All right. so That is Madows Bay episode eight If we missed anything on like Brooch watchatch or anything else, PressyTVs spotify.ot comot I did enjoy all of the secret wararant emails that we got this week, some great stuff. Genuinely amazing. If you are one of the Armstrong stunt brothers and you're actually brothers. Yeah, and I could not confirm that, please let us know. anythingything else that they should email us about Rub. Or if you're Emmaetchem, right? Those are two asks for the week and Aaron and David Armstrong Eaila I think that's it. I think's great podcast. I think we did it. I think we said everything completely factually accurately. Possibly. Maybe for the first time in podcast history, but we did it All right, thank you too Dveranal Friday. Jake Caret I also heard Chris Weller's voice, so Chris is around here so of course. Thankk you, Chris Weller Thank you to mysterious basements. Thank you to broaches. Thank you to broaches. I mean, they sure. They're always doing important work. Yeah. Thank you to al lone saausage link in a styrofoam container. An one as ever looks at it. Thank you to Patricia for phoning in her complaint. Yeah It fell on deaf ears in a full voicemail inbox. But you don't want to get that person in trouble? No,ot not trying to cost anybody their job. No. Just wants them to know so they can learn. That's very be energy Thank you, Robahoney. Thank you, Joe. I should say Friday lightights, we did an episode that's in the feed. If you guys didn't check that out. Euphoria finale will have happened by the time this episode's dropped. But it'll be there on the feed for you to revisit. Will we ever be the same again? Who's to say? And then of course M what is and Cape feear. Yes is something we're gonna to be starting soon. We will be covering Cape Fear also on Apple spooks and chills and fears. It really is stalking season. Oh, also, the hack finale aired last night. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet by the time we're recording this, but I might drop like a hack finale reaction into our euphoria finale. is just like a brief likeake This is how much I cried or whatever. I would love. Okay, bye.