Final Thoughts and Closing

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I'm Rohone. here It's Wow's Bay Day, Rob. I mean, the hour is upon us. We're here to talk about episodes four and five H We're feeling pretty good about the way we're covering Widows Bay, but if I have any regrets, it's that we didn't get to do an instant episode four reaction podcast. We should have been in here the second the episode ended. With like my little sort of stick figures. I assume you have them at home. I mean, I don't leave home without them, actually. They're in a car right now. Which stuff? Okay, so episode four Beach reads episode five, what to expect on your trip. That's what we're going to be talking about today. If you We're not aware. We're covering euphoria week to week. We are Weird energy on a Sunday night. We come into the studio, we watch it live and then we record fairly shortly thereafter. So I would recommend even if you're not watching Euphoria. Yeah, maybe tune into those podcasts ' we basically have Patricia's Party Eergy. Yeah Just our mouths hanging open in a spooky way. So that's something we're doing. We're also doing a coupleesort teen show lookback episode. So we covered skkins UK. season one episode one. Had a great time with it. A lot of people were very excited that we covered it. I was very excited to work co. I would say a small but focal audience were like super stoked that we covered skins season one series one episode one. those are people Yeah smallmall but very passionate about something. We have already recorded our Fridayight lightights episode, which will be running next week. Yeah. And then after that we will be checking in on five and six six and seven rather because they' it's a double drop. So if you're a widow's bayhead and you didn't know this, they're doing a double drop for six and seven. We think though we're not sure. We think we're going to be doing week to week after that But, uh, you folks at home Email us. Let your voices be heard. How can they email us? Prestige TV at sppotify d. comot Leave a comment. Sam those comments Just keep that YouTube episode running in the background of whatever you're doing to keep the views up.. Absolutely. Wellll keep checking in on Widows Bay. Hit the Instagram likes, share with your friends. We're outsourcing. Yeah It's not our responsibility. It's your job to keep the views up. Though the views were like higher than we thought they'd be. so People are digging the show yeah Widows Bay. I mean, how could they not? Okay, so episode four Beach Reads was written by MackKenzie Door off fucking wandaVision fame. Let's fucking go. The Dark Hold is here I'm thrilled O Division, I love you always. And then directed by Sam Donovan, a severance director, among other things. And then episode five, what to Expect on your trip was written by Colton Dunn, who had a brief role in parks and Recreation. I know him best for playing Garrett on Superstar, a show that I actually like really enjoyed. and he's a comedy writer as well. So he wrote that episode. And then directed by Andrew D Young, who we've talked about is I thought Comedy director, you corrected me that that is not really the vibe of his work in general. It's complicated. Did episode five feel in internally in line with what you've seen from Android to Young are company among other things that you've seen from him before. I mean, it has the same whiff of like, maybe not conspiracy, but broader suspicion as you're tripping out of your mind and you don't know what's going on or who you can trust and all those elements. But Honestly, somehow this felt less insidious than the chair company did. So you know, there are levels to all this stuff. Even when he's staring into sort of like a blackened door Ayss gazing our guy Tologist, gazing into the abyss, hearing like distorted sounds coming from it and you're like, this is Ch's play compared to the chare company. I mean, capitalism is a hell of a thing. That's true. We have a lot of Widows Bay emails PstiGV at sppotify. com So we're going to hit a brief mail bag. We're gonna to check in on each individual episode, ourur fresh fresh as a day takes on episode four that everyone is like still clamoring for. you joke, but people are claamoring for, I would say specifically your takes on four. It was for me. You are seen and known in this moment. It is my favorite episode of television this season, this year. Yes year. I would certainly put it up against anything that we've covered, anything that I've seen so far. I love Nighty of the Seven Kingdoms as like a season of television this year. I thought it was extraordinary. We of course loved enjoyed covering the pit together, but it is like an episode an isolated episode of television that I'm going to remember for a long time. It's going to be the Witch Stuff Go episode of Widows Bay episode four. I just thought it was extraordinary. We love to see it. We love to see it done right. L, I mean, we'll get into it in detail with the episode but it's just Tonal tightrope, a masterclass and character. It's just such a great episode. So good. All right, Jesie wrote in and I love a theory, Jesse really came through Jessie Roden said to say, I should have sent this before episode four came out because it would have been more impressive, but oh well, it seems to me like they haven't shown Bashir's wife yet because she's going to be revealed to be pregnant. and the urgency to move off the island is because if they wait too long and the child is born there, they're stuck. Thequ quest for Mid chocolate chip ice cream is definitely hit in this direction So in episode four on the radio or whatever, she's like, bring home some Mint chip. he's like I'm on it. This did not ping for me because Mint chip ice cream is actually like one of my number one like go to flavors. I love mint and chocolate together. I support you. You don't. I know you don't. I know you hate mint and chocolate together. I'm glad you can have that and I can have the good flavors. Okay, great. Anyway,'t it didn't ping for me as sort of's not Bring me pickles and ice cream. and that's a pregnant lady. But for some people, they're like mantip or ice cream a specific ice cream request at all pregnancy coded. This is a brilliant idea. My theory was she's dead. I far prefer she's alive Yes. But pregnant, what do you think? I mean, you are constantly on deead Wife Watch. You know, it's Nolan's season. You've been conditioned to look for it in every corner. This does make more sense. It to me. And it certainly facilitates,, the talk of Asher and his wife trying to move and get off the island. and It just seems like especially in five, we're kind of navigating some of that same territory with Tom and his wife too, who I mean, are we to assume, this was my assumption that when they are on the ferry? where Tom's wife first starts like going blind and having these complications that they're going to the mainland, right? Yes. abbsolutely. And yes, you gotta get the fuck outt of here. Presuming you weren't born there. So like let's talk about this. The very end of episode five, right? we get these visions of or memories of Tom and is a very pregnant wife on the ferry. I don't think the ferry goes anywhere but the mainland would be my guess. it could be an island hopping ferry. Pelicon As long as you stay on the islands, you're fine. But they're at a certain like to use lost parlence' a certain heading, right? Yes. Where's the fuselage? Right, exactly So the theory the legend we got early in the season was if you go to the mainland, you die. Right. So they didn't make it all the way there. Tom is screaming for the fery to be turned around So it seems like she went blind on the ferry. Yes turned it around had the baby on the island. They said the baby was fine Right, But I think she had him on the I think inure Yes. I think they're back on the is like turn the ferry around. Right. They're back on the island story was she died in childbirth, right? Comlications from childbirth, but she's Alive, though unwell after the bab is born. Well, I guess like are we to assume that the baby has been born? orr is it just the baby is doing fine as I't think she's pregnant anymore as she's sitting in that bed? I'm gonna be honest with you, the visual of her sitting in that bed was so terrifying to me. I did not take a second look at it. So we have to investigate the tape to see I mean, just our favorite game here of like which woman is showing at which point in which show? We love to body check women. That's our favorite thing today. famamously fertile ground for discussion. Absolutely. My interpretation was she had the baby back on the island, but she's not Clearly not well. No. We don't know what happened. and it doesn't seem to be the same story that we've heard. As is often the case on Widows Bay, You hear one thing, you see another. It's trueatever. if you take certain mushrooms Anyway, point being, if Bashir The sheriff's wife is pregnant. This introduces different stakes to his story You know, because I I love this premise about, you know, especially in episode five Um, which is all about on is discomfort with lack of control. R Right? Again, who could possibly relate couldass? I do fear like Hllucinogenics becausef course we do. That lack of control. Are you kidding me? There are other dogs where I'm like, sure, that's fine. Hllucinogenics, I'm like, I'm not in control. I'm not driving the bus. You know, a fun, buzzy heightened state. sureure. Yeah. compleplete lack of control and perception and. literally understanding of where you are in place in time. That's going to be a no for me. Not for Robin Joanna, that's for sure.. Anyway. but so occupied throughout episode with Evan, right? So Intducing Evan as It's a very humanizing thing for Tom, right? Tom is In many ways, a tough character, you know, is rude is all these other things, but he cares so deeply about his son and is so protective of his son and so fearful for his son. Praying to a God he doesn't even know if it exists to protect his son. Um And so introducing this idea of this danger. He doesn't know how dangerous it is out there is what Tom says. So this danger for Evan born on this island has never left this island because Tom is so because this thing happened with his wife and Tom is so afraid it's gonna to happen to his son So what is that going to do to a character like Basher who has a pregnant one? Yes. And that's really potentially very interesting, you know, I also love the way both of these episodes are really delving into all of the mythology and the creepy stuff happening on the island, but in like the stories we tell kind of way, right? All of Patricia's arc and story in episode four so much about like, She is so sure or at least telling people that she's so sure that she was visited by the boogey manan. We can hashtag, I believe, Patricia Iople like I believe her, but also I wouldn't be surprised if we get a reveal where it was like a classmate playing a prank. Like somebody was breaking into her house as a mean bit.atricia But regardless, it's about like the stories you are telling out in the community, who you're telling them to, what the costs of those things are. And so for Tom and Bashir, you would think if something as intense and scary as what seems to happen to of Tom's wife actually happened Sone like Bashir would know about it, but also that's maybe the kind of story you keep very tight, very quiet all to yourself. If Bashir and his wife have all of the facts, they should be operating with a much greater sense of urgency. already gone. That's what I'm saying. Provided that neither of them were born on the island, which I don't think we know that information. Yeah I don't think we know either. To your point, and I will go back to mailbag, but I really loved this interview that Kitty Dipppold gave the rarap about episode for just about how they came up with the concept for the episode. and it really unlocks something for me about like the way in which they're thinking about these fun horror tropes and how they relate to these these like fully fleshed out characters that they've created here. right? So she says, one of the writers had this idea of a self help book That goes wrong And it started a conversation about Patricia's fears One thing I always think about with Patricia is the thing that is scarier to her than the idea of dying is the idea of dying and no one caring about it brought in the one thing we always try to do when we're using these horror tropes, which is tell a story about a character who is feeling very real human emotions The conversation became what if she had a party? And we got really into the stress of throwing a party and not knowing if anyone's going show up. I've experienced that myself That's Katie, but also Joinna. I've experienced that. Is that fear? Everyone in the room has experienced that or something similar. So we just went from there and really tried as much as possible to stick to that. Even though the book is scary, there's something scary to Patricia in that episode then no one coming to her thing. Sidebar, I can' remember if I've talked to you about this. I know I talked to someone about this on a podcast, but My friend in college used to call it a littleittle man tape. party in the film Little Mantaate Jodie Foster, she throws this elaborate birthday party for her son and nobody shows up. And so my friend Sarah in C collegeo would be like, what if it's a little Mantaate? What if shows up That's never happened to me, but it's like I'm sure That's a real fear. But this idea of like, okay, As the writers in this incredible writer's room are plotting out the season and they're like, let's do a Jaws episode. let's do a shining episode. let's do this, applying that idea of like, what is Patricia's greatest fear to episode five? What is Tom's greatest fear, lack of control.. So let's do a drug trip episode and put him out of control, I think is a really fun skeleton key to unlock the rest of the season as we go through these. Very much so. Yeah, interlocking all of that mythology and the trope stuff with the character beats. And I think specifically for Patricia, something like becoming an accidental witch where a lot of witch stories dream. mean all we all can conspire to it. But I feel like a lot of witch stories and specifically a lot of modern witch stories are about community, right? It's about covens. It's about like how do you connect with you, your sisters of the Dark Arts. And this is so much a story about loneliness and about desperation. and like she's kind of turning to this stuff accidentally because she's like been shut out by her entire community. Thank you so much for talking about Wites, Robin means love to me personally. I love nothing more. But if you think of something like Ana Taylor Joy and the Vavav a bitch, right? like that that film is about It is about finding another community, but about feeling on the outside of the community that you live in. Yeah, but spoiler alert There is a community. There is a community to be found at the end of the day They get it flies, it's great, but like ust rule. But yeah, it's about being an outsider, being misunderstood, being defin all of these things. Yes sir. We got very derailed in the mailbag. That's okay. we're back. Sarah has a great email about Patricia's wardrobe, right? She says, I just wanted to knowe that while there are many obvious nnaws to Stephen King throughout, was I the one who thought a punge bowl full of pig's blood might be hidden in the rafters during Patricia's toast? Yes. One slightly more subtle connection to King was Patricia's wardrobe Nch tank top and great pattern clashing combos. I particularly love the culotes and Red cardigan. She shouts out the costume designer, Alex Bobard is no accident that as well as hints of Care Prom Qeen, she's dressed throughout like Shelley Duval in the shining. Yeah. Shelley had such iconic style and Katado Flynn has a similar offbeat beauty, wardrobe often gets overlooked. but I think they're doing fantastic work here Thank you, Sarah for that email, but I love that calling out that Patricia's wardrobe specifically, like, you know, this is this is a quirky island full of quirky people. but everyone looks like they're dressed relatively Let's say, with the exception of some of Evan's friends who kind of look like they could be from the seventies or whatever. as is our time. Kata Flynn, like As Patricia is very Shelley Duvall like late nineteen seventies coded in her work. It's a great show. it's a really good show And the Care compom is right there. I' sorry. I mean Tiara iss there. Itsiara and just kind of like the mean girl energy hermeating around Patricia.. F first of all, shout out the Paty wagon, which is the name of her bookmobile, which isible Not to put you on the spot, but as a book lover yourself,, do you have a name based pun that you would embrace if you were to drive your own wagon? I need a week to think about it. I would love to hear I will come back. I would love to your recommendations. prestige DV at Spotify. com. This is I would say your one true calling, you know? If I had a bookmobile and was a witch This is my dream. I tell you, there's nothing stopping you. And a bonfire on the beach and potentially vengeance on my enemies I mean, that's really the icing of the cake O Okay in the Paty wagon book moobile donation box along with the grimoir that finds its way there is a copy of a Stephen King book.. They don't show the title of just as Stephen King, but it is a copy of the shhining because I did look up which book it was. So I mean, you impress me every day. Just truly incredible detective work. That was some real freeze frree Mahoney work, I thought. But is once we get into novel book finds, I just simply don't have the point of reference. Now, you show me a shelf of DVDs detective night country. And you're like, why are they watching Ferr Bull over and over again? I've sorted through some bins in my time We got a couple emails of people asking, you know, you brought up the great Kitty to B boold Babaduke tweets U which she was on the script Nes podcast and I asked her about it. so shout up Craig Mazason and John August doing the great journalism work, but How much is that Babadk tweet present in your mind when you're watching something like Episode four or watching Patricia Wow att a party. I didn't even quite put it together in that way. What's so great about the Babaduke tweet is at some point in our lives, we are all the Babaduke, right? Like we are all the Babaduke in the wrong room. And so it's just Patricia's turn. When have you been the most Babaduke in a party? man? I gott to really think about that. one It's not an overdressed underdressed situation. I think it's just you're bringing the wrong energy to this setting. Yeah So there has to be a time. I mean, here's a vision I have of a moment where Rob is theobb. You go to like Watch movies with some friends or something like that. N Not like your friends that you have, your Leonao Diaprio marathon with Like some other new friends or something like that. Fringe friends, Perspective friends. Persrospective friends. They're not paying attention to the movie. And you're like heartbreaking. Why are we chattering when a movie's on? That's my idea of It's very tough. You just like instantly get a hat on your head 'cause you've bobadicted yourself, you know? That was me trying to show some friends wet hot American summer. Yeah. Maybe my favorite comedy of all time. And like the pin drop silence in that room, I was like, oh, no. Oh no. I've really bobaducted. Do you want to get stories from our listeners when they babadu? Please. Okay. press you should to be at sppotify dot coma if you've ever babadu at a part. No notot if. when did. We know you have. We've all done it. Jillie Meren with a question that that was sort of like popping around my head which is that the actor Kingston Rumy Southwick, who plays Evan, who we already said we like really love, he's here playing the son of two veryair Hite people. aggressively. Is there something, you know, like I don't think you get whiter than Welsh. And I say that is a person of Welsh extraction. Honestly, very true. So you know, Jillian was sort of cooking some theories around this burned by these kinds of theories in my West World days, I don't think it's necessarily the right track to go down, but I did it did like sort of raise a question mark in in my mind. And perhaps, you know, the show is just sort of like, we don't care. Yeah, you know. Well it's certainly a thing to flag. I think the greater mystery around his birth, the incredibly weird circumstances surrounding it.. That's up for grabs and we're going to be talking about it for Potentially weeks to come. Soop if you wrote in a couple people wrote in to note that we did not reference John Carpenter's the Fog when talking about influences, but I do want and I don't get credit for this because I didn't say it into a microphone, but I do want to say, I did text Rob when we were floating back and forth some inspos for this, I said it's John Carpent's the Fog, meet Steh King from this. You did. That was a joke I made. But I didn't say it into a microphone so it doesn't count. But ye, it wasn't a joke. It's just what the show is It is. but yeah, John Carpenter's the Fog is very much mind here And then Sophie also wrote in Sophie is a real horror movie expert wrote in to say, As an aside my favorite with throwway reference to a horror movie is our girl Paticia's reference to the boogeyman. One of the things that people in the town of Haddenfield call Michael Myyers. so like we were sort of already noting this Halloween reference, but she says when Patricia J about the Boogy man. she says She refers her experiences as, quote, the night He came, which is almost the exact tagline of the movie Halloween, which is the night He came home is the tagline for Halloween. So that's that's totally went over my head.reat Great shout, Great shout. John wrote in to ask us the larger question of how long should a show run? I think that's just something I wanna continue thinking about as we go through the season You and I were asking this question after the first three episodes of like, how many seasons of Widows Bay do we want? There's a part of me that wants it to run forever. then there's another part of me of like, If it's, you know, if there's mysteries to be solved on an island, Carlton Hgh and Day Melinov can tell you There's a limit to that. There how many mysteries you can have on a haunted Island. But also multiple seasons of twenty two episodes. to be honest with you. And then if we're doing if we're sort of riffing on horror movie tropes, how many of those do we have to go through? There's a ton of horr movies, but in terms of like those tropes, how many of those exist, you know? It's true. Do we move away from sort of the trope of the weak ideas it goes forward or you know These are questions for Katy Dipppold and her writers. but you know, a question for us is What's too much of a good thing I know or something like that. I think these days we're inundated with so much of anything that is even remotely good that I'm already a finality oriented person despite the fact that we covered TV for a living. So Dafness, with which the show is dealing with its characters feel so and controlled. and it feels like they just have their finger on the pulse of this exact story I'm a little scared once we get past The confines of this individual season in story into what a season two could be, but also like if you've earned that trust, you've earned that trust. And like, you know, we don't we don't know if there's going to be, say, like a Dale episode or a rosemary episode this season, but I could see that being something we do in a season two. We can only hope and pray there's a rosemary episode. I I'm pulling for my guy, Dale. I love him so much. All right Check, check one, two, one, two, one, two, three, cheheck check. It's a surprising complicated system He doesn't have Spotify Premium. The way after Patricia scolds him and then he starts whispering it into the microphone. Yeah, we get Dale hooked up with a Spotify Premium membership. It is literally the least we could do. I think so. Let's call the sweet get them on the case. We mentioned We're New Jersey in our previous episode. Our listener Beth wrote in to say in high school, we drove our car to a legendary spot in North New Jersey where if you put your car in neutral goes slowly and reverse on its own like you're being quote pulled by a ghost. It really works and is freaky alleges that a family of farmers were killed in a car crash and they haunt the area. I hasash to presume though Beth did not note this that you're not on any kind of incline,. The premise the idea is you're presumably parked flat and all of a sudden, if your car's in neutral, it will be pulled slowly backwards Could not be me. I will not be doing that. No. Would you do that? I think that's totally fine. I'm not going into the booy manan house, but. spooky What ann What if an off island girl would be impressed by you doing so? Something to think about. You know, it could be negotiated. But so are you out on anything even remotely spooky? Like the Winchester Mystery house. the Winchester Mystery house multiple. Yeah. What is your mileage as far as that experience? When I was little, it scared the shit out of me. and then do you remember that they made a movie about it? I wish you didn't know that yeah U with Helen Miran, Jason Clark They did the junket at the Winchester Mystery House. I went And the only thing that could get me back to the Winchester Mystery House after being scared, shitless about it as a child was the prospect of interviewing Helen Mirin, which I did inside the Winchester Mystery House. It's really the only place to interview a Dame. Yeah U My hair was purple at the time and she said she liked my hair. I don't think she did. I don't think she did. I don't think she was just was just the thing you said. I think she was shocked and alarmed by it. And she said, I like your hair in a way that I I did not like my hair. That's okay. not choose to take her out her word. I believe a day when she says something. Our listener, Lillily wrote in, I didn't mention this, but I did know this. As a fellow Buffy fan, Lily said, I couldn't not point out that the actress who plays Jerry also played Pat, Joyce's empanada baking friend from Book Club in Dead Man's Party a true icon hadat a legend in this very Patchy season two episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. What are you saying? By patchy, you mean un impeachable. Haunted exotic mask is not my favorite trope that Buffy has ever used. I got bad news for you about Buffy in general. nots the last time that will be explored. And then all the more exciting with the Buffy connection, the fact that Jerry is now like one of the scoobies. She and Rick have a history They really do And she is a Smithsonian level. She put the gloves onervat her. She put the gloves on and she's a math teacher, I guess So she really can't do it all. You can on this island. You have to do it. You have to do it all. All right. last question from our Listener Singer Are we shipping Patricia and Tom I'm not. Patricia did have a slightly weird energy when she's like, Ohh, you picked up a woman Yes. interestnteresting. And part of that was the sort of like really funny like age stuff. Right. But was there some energy from Patricia about that I think there definitely could be. I appreciate their bond nonetheless. I a question they're leashed to each other inside of this episode There's a lot of happening. I love how over Tom's like drug trip shit Patricia Cstant, like anytim we check back in with her, she's like, Yes, Tom, very good. H' your crayons. Cayons, Tom. I' into it. I'm gonna to keep my eye. I'm not into it, but I would say the warmth regardless of when they find Patricia at the end of four And just like they're like, come join us. L we're gonna needet you. You know. It's a powerful thing to be needed. I got very emotional One of my listeners wr in saying they wanted my Blairwitich story, so I'll just say it into a microphone, which is that when the Blair Witch proroject came out, a friend of mine St still my friend to this day. invited me over to his house made Pesto burgers, like on the grill And then I had a sobbe, which was a white flavor, which is pina cololada And then we went to go watch the Blairwish proroject and I got tremendously ill. and in the chillies afterwards, I vomited in the back So was you also went to Chile'? That was not that was not I wanted to go home. Oh got you. 'cause I was ill. My friends who I were with were like, let's go hang out at Chili'. I was like then went to the bathro threw up and I came out I like, I just threw up the bathroom and they're like, o, we do a shake. I was like, cool st. I'm going home. I will not be drinking that delicious chocolate shake. And for the record, that was not judgment. This is a Pro Chillily's podcast. But you listed four great tastes that do not taste great together. The Blair Witch of She' a Kolada Sobi A pesto burger and potentially a chili' milkshake. I have not had Pesto Burger since. I don't even know if it's a thing. It's not a thing. I've not had it since. white so I don't think I've had a Soby since. That ended my relationship with Sobe's. I don't think a lot of the I don't think a lot of like the living world has a so. I don't think Sobe's made it out of the nineties and that's okay U And I am fearful of shaky Cam horror movies ever since.. anyway, that's my Blair witch. And then we ran to a guy we went to middle school with in the loby and he told us he saw a dead guy under a bridge once. That's a story that That's my bler story. What a day for you. It was a sur real day. Did you think it was the shaky cam specifically that kind of upset your sister? Absolutely It wasn't the horror It was like. I was think it was just the pesto burger and soby Cbo pererhaps if I had gone in without. unholy combination in me, I would have had a better time. You would have been the same thing, but gone to see must love dogs It would have been fine. Well, that's ill inducing of its own in its own. You know what I mean? I think if I were ever to see a shaky camp thing again And I've made it my mission not to. I would go in with a completely empty st. It would be like water and saltines for that day. Treat it like a boat trip That's how I think you should treat lage project This episode is brought to by Netflix. The T mobile home run derby' right around the corner. might be one of the best showcases of pure power and all sports baseballs Biggest sluggers. with some legendary Announcers, Puhos, Rizzo, Bonds, Sabbathia L Duncin Yeah Hunter Pence, Matt Fast Kurzian, a whole bunch of people And it's the one night where you don't swing to make contact. You swing. to make history. I'm interest is who what Bon says about this actually. Anyway, it is all live from Citizens Bank Park In Philly, watch the T mobile Home rununs Der live on Netflix Monday, july thirteenth at eight PM Eastern five PM Pacific This episode is brought to you by Nas Energy. Introducing new NAS Eergy Grand Prix Guava For those that want to be fueled up and fired up with one hundred bound hour tropical tasting power Iignnite your taste, start your ine A flavoreor to high gear with new Nas Energy Grand Prix Guava Hit the street, grab a can and get after it Let's get into episode four, Beach Reads. Can I talk to you about teeth and witchcraft and mythology? I would be disappoint if didn't. Teeth have had been an ongoing running, right? Yeah. There were teeth mysteriously on the island when the original settlers got there, We had the tooth game in the hotel episode. are listen, I'm not a witch, though I wish I was. In witchcraft in general you one can use finger nail clippings, hair, whatever to sort of like do a spell to control someone. Teth is one of the like sort of key iconic things that you can use to control someone. Does seem harder to get than the other things. Well, that's what the pliers are for in the teeth game. Aren't they justcks? Okay. And then in terms of mythology, and I often am, Jason and the Argonauts. or Cadmus in sort of Greek mythology. There's the story of swing dragon teeth in a field. Do you ever learn this story? Okay. so Jason of Jason the Argonaut's fame was given dragon teeth and told to sew them into the ground. and if he did extremely strong and powerful warriors would pop up out of the ground For every tooth you planted a powerful way One to one tooth to warrior. Exactly, as you would expect and hope. U They're scary, they're violent. In both the Cadma Story and the Jason story, the solution to not get killed by them is to throw a rock in the middle of them And they each think that someone else threw the rock in the first place and then they all kill each other. Wow. And so these guys are Dumb. They're dumb and they're strong. So the phrase to sew dragon's teeth means to do something that has that will cause a fight., right in the first place. Does that any of that have anything to do with this show? I don't know, but I thought While we're tal about witches I might as well talk about mythology. We got witches, we got teeth. There could be powerful but dumb warriors in episodes to come. Can only hope, you know, It's july first. That's what we know from the invite, the eite that Patricia sent out. Obscessively refreshing. Really tough. Really tough to watch, honestly. Yeah July first, and then it's one day later in episode five, so it's July So they guess they're doing July second fireworks? Yeah, I guess it depes on mayaybe it's like a weekend thing. Sure. yeah. it's the Friday or the Saturday and the fourth is on a Monday and who wants to do fireworks on a Monday? Yeah. I guess Or maybe they're planning to do I guess all weekend. Do we have any confirmation that it's not a few days later? We do because unfortunately, I was hoping it was the fourth, but Bashir said to Patricia, there's some people who woke up in the ocean last night and they have some questions Maybe that was just recreational. you know. And blaming Patricia yet again. Sure. So yeah. I mean, you spikek the punch one time. One time. Let sure all of your friends and like neighbors get overrun by the necronobicon one time. And this is what happens. I do have some questions for like how this spell works because obviously Rosemary sees right through it You know, the whole time. she was getting the ingredients But when you get the when we get the reveal, honestly, one of the best reveals that has ever happened in all of television. Exquisite. Even though you know that like Something's going wrong, off course. And a spell is being cast and all the sorts the visual reveal The Kevin Carroll is Bashir's delivery of the fuck are you doing? So good So outstanding. But when she goes out into the into the bar and sees sort of the wreckage of the party and there's like little cups turned over like, A little bit of fur and scalp in them. Yeah. I'm just sort of like, Be I was like, okay, as soon as they drink the punch.es. who spell is cast. But presumably it's cast before that because Presumably you would not drink the punch if you saw a bit of a woodland critter floating in it in the first place, right? Well, this is where I think, you know, the little center pieces on the tables or something like that could come into play, right? There' a general bewitching that has already happened before they ever drink the pun playllist. Wh knows Right? Who knows what spell we're cast. This is how we do it ad supportpped. Yeah That's a bewitching song. This is not a bottle episode. I'm seeing this phrase toss around on the internet. Not a bottle episode. Nowot what that means. What is a bottle episode? I mean, it has to be one location. primary. I guess every episode of Widows Bay is kind of a bottleles episode in the sense that they're on the island. I think if everything took place in the bar. Yes, That would be a bottle epeottle episod But I mean, the like first of all, this cannet like this is Patricia's larger story. you know, there are rep like repercussions for it in episode five. like Bashir is still like this is an ongoing investigation into what happened here. And the episode ends with like the death of another char, you know what I mean? Like this is It's a Patricia focused episode., but it's not a bottle episode. And I don't think it's like a side quest in any way. I think this is just all the larger woven tapestry of the island and its history. Right. The Bgeyman is definitely coming back into play at some point. so It's not a bottlepisode No I would say the best bottle episodes, yes, are a self contained adventure. Yeah, but have like good character repercussions that transcend, but not necessarily plot repercussions.. And as you said, there' way too many very important things happening. Right. And the fact that this episode is an undercurrent where it's basically us checking in with what Patricia has been doing while the other part this story has been going on Distinctly not a bottle. That also makes me really excited about episode five to see sort of like Exactly. Patricia and Wick were up to while Tom was indisposed. Yeah, as it were. Die in a fire, Chris, She almost dead But d of fire. Chris sucks, right? Chris is the main mean girl. Yeah At the same time, I didn't appreciate in the bar this sort of humanizing moment of like, she's like all of my friends died. So like She's a mean girl, she's like to Patricia in an outsized like bully kind of way. in a arerenn't we all adults here? Why are we still acting like we're sixteen? Right But we introduce and again, inside of like a thirty minute Episode we introduce some dimensionality to this character, this Chris character at the same time. And to the social dynamics of the island as a whole. Right. R? Just this idea that It's not that it's this group of women is so clicky that no one can break in. Like we see this woman who just moved town and she's like just kind of ushered in a part of the group now.. It is so much about this history and about the idea that I mean, that part of Chris is totally understandable. If you were surrounded by that kind of tragedy, especially at a young age, the idea that somebody would be like trying to benefit from it for attention of all things would be so distasteful and so enraging that you would I mean think it'd be hard not to carry that with you for a really long time But she does that and then just like making constant mean comments about Patricia. I think all of the ways this episode kind of veryer subtly seeds. How much on the outside looking in Patricia is with basically everybody in this group. Even something as simple as like, can you take the photo of me and all my friends? We're all drinking white, but you can totally open that red. Like you don't open that cabinet. and I'm like Of course not. The cabinet full of wine glass is what the fuck are you. God forbid. Yeah. Yeah, there's just so many ways in which we're told and shown Paticia is now welcome here, doesn't feel like she's of this group, even though she potentially could have been once uppon a time. We also we called out Kita Flynn as like an incredible performer in the first three episodes, but just like her body language throughout all it like when she shows up with the wine in the first place to the party and she's just like immediately ward and out of place and and then just everything thereafter. her dancing, incredible. Oh so good. And then I just wanted to shout out sort of like The connective tissue between the episodes because as much as these feel like you know, the hotel episode, the S Hag episode, et cetera, the Bachelorette partarty is here. Yeah. If you go back to episode three, when Tom is asking about Patricia and Dale says she's pretty caught up in her cocktail hour, right? Like that's a fun line on reewatch or watching Patricia leave the voicemail that we heard when listened to in episode three, You know, it's just like all sort of woven together in a really, really nice way. Poor went out for the Hussies. Tobbey Huss's character is downad he really ses too soon too soon. I want to come back to him a little bit in the categories too. Anything else you want to say, Influences here Carry, Blair Witch proroject, yellow jackets for sure. Of course. True Detective season one, Wicker Man, Green Man legend, et ccetera, etera. Anything else that you want to call out. I mean, I just all of the witch stuff is so fun. And specifically the idea of like the punch as potion, the toast as incantation like it's just seeded so well. But also toasts and you're gonna like roast these like them on fire? Yes. Yeah. againgain, like as a laugh per minute exercise. It's a little delayed because everything that's happening with Patricia is so intense. but then once the reveal comes and you see exactly what's been happening in the kitchen, which if we just want to break it down, I mean, there are multiple blackbirds on that cutting board. actuallyct rewind before that The way that Patricia is cutting what werere shown as strawberries is already quite upsetting Th then it's revealed to be a blackbird, at least one. I think there's like multiple carcasses there. Wirls and other we There's some kind of white furry creature. Oh, this is what you freeze framed on. Not the Stephen King title The animal corpse. I need to see the corpse. then see what's going on. It looks like there's maybe even like a nest of little blackbirds involved. alsoso a mortar and pestle of just like bones and spooky roots of a kind that I'm not into, but it's part of the craft. I have a question for Chef, Rob. Do you have a mortar and pestal? Of course I do. And what's your favorite thing to use Well here's the are you a garlic masher person? Economically, it just takes a lot of time. It is. So is this is the problem Mortar and pesto is the ideal way to make pesto. For for example, for a pesto burker that will make you very sick. It's just so time intensive if it's like, why would I not food process this? So how it it's decorative. It's decorative.s I would say like it's good for guac in particular. That I think is the best actual practical application for mortar and pestal. Or crushing spices. Yeah, or which stuff. How many bones have been in your mortar and pestal? Zero. Zero. So far. We see the corpses that you have catalogued and quantified There's also like a, I don't know what you call it, like a deli sort of like buzzaw situation. What is that? Oh yeah. It looks like a meat slicer. A meat slicer. but the serrated edges was just like dripping with blood. So what did what did we slice? Well again, how are you supposed to get through that bone with just like a old kitchen knife from the salty whale. Just like chopping like D'top. Don't chop your strawberes that. Don't do it. All right anything else you want tona say about episod four for forget two five. I just fucking loved it. It was so good. And I will, you know, to revisit the part about Patricia's story. I don't know how to make heads or tailes of that just yet as far as what's true or what's not. I almost don't exactly care or think that we need to know. It's like the idea that she believes it's true and other people don't is enough tension for me. think we're But okay yes, whether or not she's telling the truth, I could see that being not revealed, but we're definitely getting a Boogeyman episode, don't you think? There's a lot of boogeyman references. I mean, we visited the house. Yeah, we saw the house. I was just looking at the episode titles for the rest of the season. I don't have anything that like your baggage emergency shelter We hope you enjoyed your time. Emergency shelter certainly sounds like maybe the cement chair door situation underneath what well, it's underneath the salty whale. We know that. Yeah. So it's not underneath the Booyman house. But I was going to ask, do you think there's any bit of truth to the story among the teens about like this boogeyman guy couldn't even be killed. They had to like put him into some kind of cement prison slash grave. Some real Michael Myers shit right there. Yeah Bgy Man, we await your arrival greatly. All right, so what to expect on your trip? episode five. We've already talked about sort of this like Tom notot and control thing. Evan saying one of these days I'm gonna to leave and I'm never ever coming back. And that of course is Tom's number one fear that Evan leaves and dies, never ever comes back. notot just leaves, but like H life is over, right? Why I mean, as we're kind of teased here with everything that happened to his wife or suggested did, like maybe there's things that are worse than death involved too. May mayaybe death is just one of the outcomes potentially. E ever coming back like mentally. Yeah. abbrupt subject change. inspiration. So something that I posited to you mere minutes before we started recording is like Should we check in on some other classic trip episodes of television. I had Some time to prepare for this, you had mere minutes. What did you come up with that you wanted to talk about? I mean, as I made the list, I was like, I love all of these guys. No, it's a great t. It's a great one. The first one that came to mind for me was six feet under, where Ruth takes LSD. And specifically, it's another like tightly wound. you would never expect this person to let their guard down matriarch in that story. Yeah. abbsolutely tripping balls, wonderful Bojack Horseman might be the saddest trip episode that I've ever seen. Madmen, I mean, Roger Sterling tripping out. again, heavily heavy mirror involvement going on there in a way that I appreciate, but maybe the singular one from my experience is there's a whole episode of Cowboy Be Bob in which the entire cast eats mushrooms, including I and the Corgi and are just off on their respective journeys over the course of the episode Unbelievable TV. O the onn the animated front, the cactus Juice episode of Avatar Blass Airbender. incredibly good. It'll quench you. nothing's quenchier. So the Rogers LSD trip on Madmen is a really good shot. That season five episode six Faay pllaces Season six episode eight of Madmen is the crash when they all take speed in the office.. I rewed it and I I actually think off all sort of the drug trade episodes that I checked in on this morning briefly. That one seemed to me to be the closest. Don Draper like Matthew Reese's acting and Don Draper's acting is like very similar Yeah The auditory hallucinations, the like sounds of like laughter and dibbering and like stuff like that is there. It's a great episode. Keddy Cosgrove like tap dancing on a broken foot, like, you know, what could be better? But like, yeah, the amphetamine episode of Madmen is a real one. There's a very famous and really for a good reason, episode of Roseanne where Roseanne and Dan and Jackie all smoke weed and they like lock themselves in the bathroom and they're just like veryer, very funny Fricks and Geeks, of course has a great Lindsey Getss High episode Would you count the Wmen nostalgia episode? I don't know if I would, but I was thinking about it in terms of that sort of like surreal losing time jumping through time. It's a supernatural drug, but like ye I say it's already kind of that sort of show. Yeah. againgain, with that like very subjective, very loopy orientation. Like ye it feels more of a piece with just the rest of Watchmen, to be honest with you. That's true Spaceed, onene of my favorite shows of all time. I've never seen space.. I mean, I'm very familiar with its reputation. Yeah, but like They're watching Star Wars, they're stoned out of their mind. and then Simon Pegg's character is like crying and they're like, what, what? And he's like, I just remembered I've got Jaffa cakes in my pocket. Incredible stone moment. But the thing that I was thinking about the most and this is because of it like the overlap of this show and its DNA with parks and recreation. is the flu episode of Parks and Rec when Leslie is like trying to go about her day with terrible flu, including one of these like sort of town meeting you know sort of moments. So I always th think about Leslie N in this episode. Also on like the movie front, like thinking about like something like Mandy, you know, like a horror movie that is very like drug folcused. I gosing about Mandy orr like the un invariable way to massive toent. likeike then the whole Nickage Uuvre, why not you know, it's all it's all whether he's literally or just kind of metaphorically taking drugs, is always happening at basically every point in time Did you have a favorite my favorite sort of Not just the cutting in and out of time, which I thought was so good. Yes. But the way that the lights like went down and came up on various sequences to sort of take you in and out of time, I thought was so artistically like really interesting. What did What did you like? It' the kind of thing too where when other shows attempt to do these sorts of time jumps, it can feel clunky in the edit. Yeah. And it really does take like a very particular kind of touch to make it feel organic, to make it feel germane to the story, to make it feel like againgain, that you are in for an artistic process and not just like, hey, we're trying to do David Lynch or whatever. It's like, This did feel so cohesive in a way that I think it's just like cinematically very impressive. Yeah. All of the buttons into, I don't know if you can button into a scene, but all of the lines into the scene, like stop yelling yeah, the unbuttoning. stop yelling at me, Tom or like just give me a name or like you know, whatever the case may be. I thought that was really, really good. Chris Fleming is here, Chris Fleming Are you a Chris Filming fan? I wasn't too familiar before this episode but I've gone a little down the rabbit hole. He's so fun here as Todd O'Connor Saman slash drug dealer. I love that reveal when when Patricia's like Hot O' Connor. He's like, Hey Patty This love' really funny. I think he's a great comedian U I don't think I've ever seen him act before and not that this was like checkoff or anything like that, but I thought he was like, really good. And it reminded me a lot, again, of Parks and Re when you would like bring in people that I knew for like comedy to do these like fun quirky characters. I really hope you see again, you know, and his liizzard Is that a li? There's an uana. Iuana. Yeah.. Yeah. in fifty. I thought it was so funny. I thought he was really good. Here's the thing, he is very funny and like in a vacuum, I really like those scenes. I would say of all the actors and characters we've seen so far, he felt the least of Widows Bay to me. There was something about it that was like, drawn and structured to be like this is a distinct hallucinogenic experience throughout this episode. But something about his energy was like a little different, not in an unwelcome way, but distinct from the other townspeople. Maybe deliberately. Follow question, have you met? Anyone who calls himself a shaman Not enough Yeah. other than you never once referred to myself as a shaman nor would I. If you' were the shaman on this podcast, literally what I lived in Northern in the Bay area. the world where a bunch of white dudes walk around calling themselves shaman in order to serve you Ayahuasa. Like I've met so many white guys named Todd who are like, I'm a shaman, comeome have an Ayahuasca ceremony in my rec room. Like it's peril of the North Bay I should say. I have not partaken. but I mean, nor have I Speaking to our issues of control. I'm not doing IO. No, no, no, but I would love to be somebody's spirit guide or just, you know a hand to hold on their journey. You know Do you do a better job than Patricia? I would hope I would hope't open the door. I mean, they just abandoned Tob so quickly at every opportunity. Trisha at least had the excuse of like likeike wanted for questioning. You know what I mean? Like she cannot say no to that, but like Leaving him with Dale, presumably not telling Dale what's going on. Dale has no idea and he's very worried for understandable reasons. When he screams, it's really good Why can't Tom just go home? He's sick today You know, is that out of Well in the realm possibility? That's why they put him in the car with rosemary, but again, I would not put him in a car with rosemary. I don't think anyone put him in the car with rosemary It takes if I remember correctly, it takes place after Not to step on our future segments, but my favorite bit of physical comedy from Matthew Reason, which is the slow way he slinks across the wall and then bolts out the front door. But Patricia still tethered to him Are they literally tethered in jerked out? Maybe he's separated. I don't know. No, I think he jerks around and she's like, we're too busy put him in a car with Rosemary and take him home. But like that's not what I would do with Tom. I were chararge. I assumed he popped up in the middle of the road and Rosemary's say, Okaykay, here here, let me take you home. I also wantan to shout out Patricia before they go over to Todd O' Connor's Shaman Den And can I just say that his I forget what he called it, the like the peeace center. Peace center. It's again fucking perfect. That's what like every rec room that a white guy named Todd has like, come to Ayahuasa at my house, like that's what it looks like A single lava amp. One magic guy.ne magic guy And a mattress with some loose blankets and an iguana. When Tom blows the phone call to him and they have Patricia do it, and she essentially does the Han solo like, we're all fine here. How are you? We're in conversation anyway Yeah Really funny, really good. Anything else you want to shout out before we get to our categories? Again, I really like this episode. I think it just has the unfortunate placement of coming after four Yeah. And so I love a trip episode as we discussed in general. I love what this means for Tom and kind of like the weird, creepy dark places we explore as a result of it. And it's I mean, it's certainly setting up a lot ofing dark roads we can go down over the rest of the season fight with Evan was really good. Like that's a real fight that they're having inside of this episode. She's being like a real dick Evan, does this is an age where you just have the hardest time seeing outside yourself in general? But she knows that like, he knows enough to say like, hey Didn't your friend just die, but also as being like a real asshole to his dad specifically. That's the only line delivery from this actor that I'm like, I would have had him say it slightly more sympathetically. becausecause him being like a real shit and being like, is this how the phones work? Perfect and really funny. Very funny. Wasn't he your friend like said with like a little bit of a grin was very weird. That being said You're trying to impress an off Island girl. Yeah. And I have some theories about these off island girls by the way. But if you're trying to impress off island girl And your dad comes up and does the this Maybe I spoke to soon about the physical comedy because Yeah outside of the car. Yeah. I would I would say fuck you to my dad if I were like stooing in that mortification. If you knew he was grieving, if you knew maybe his only friend just died Yes. Okay I'm a teenager and I'm embarrassed, yes. That's fair. There's nothing stronger than Ay st? Yeah, that is true This episode is brought to you by Nas Energy Every ounce of dirt, sweat and gears, every checkered flag and trophy raised, every lap, every race, every hard fought place They're all jammed inside every can of NSA energy performance energy for burning the midnight oil in the garage and pedal to the metal human horsepower For the streets, go ahead, crack open a can of Nas energy and get after it. Looking to see what's happening around your home? 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But you and I have been talking about, are we going to get a full on flashback episode with how much like the founders have been mentioned maybe even more than the boogeyman It seems like we're gonna get some glimpse of that life in that past eventually. I think we saw So the opening of episode five. Yes. Is a grubby man in what looks to me like period clothing in the woods scrabbling for, that's not Toby Hus Like scrabbling for some mushrooms. In the snow. In the snow. Don't eat the spooky mushrooms. Or if you want Lasic for your third eye eat the spooky mushrooms. I don't know. It doesn't seem worth it. I wouldn't do it, but I would be interested in someone else doing it. My is already wide open. I'm good on the mushroom front. Going back through the footage, I think that's Hamish Linklater, who who is in this season and based on portraiture, I believe is playing the founder, Richard Warren So like The next episode is called Our History. I would not be surprised if It takes us into a flashback up. It Certainly seems like it. I mean, we already have, you know, the weird cylinder around his neck. what do you think you know it it's heartbeats in the cylinder my husband wears around his neck. and And then when she's like But he's here so JK LOL is going to bed Really funny be in the cyind. A they gonna to dig them up? Well, that's the implication from Wick. W wants to do For sure. Let's just dig up this grave. Let's get in that cylinder. Let's see what's going on. The idea of the true site with the mushrooms I also want to shout out in the spell book once its's true face is revealed. Yeah. The seahag is in there So like I'm glad we broke the spell by burning the book, but also was there good information in that book that we could have used before? Oh, you want to use it for good I mean, it'll be fine , I'm very responsible. Not at all emotionally vulnerable to manipulation. I'll be fine. The last segment of this podcast is you outlining what you like and don't like about yourself. That's one line for like and it's ten lines for don't like and don't worry about it. And then the boogeyman intntel. Anything else you w want to say on the L lore front? I think that's the biggest stuff for me, is mostly what's going on with the diary and what it's positioning For us as far as like grave robbing goes. Favorite city employee How is it not Patricia literally every week? Yeah, but if it's not Patricia I think if it's not pricia it has to be roosemary Tell me why it's Rosemary this week for you. She wants to be supportive, but she has a few qualms She's a scratcher lady. L nothing could be more true than Rosemary loves a scratcher I love that like Tom causeed Horrible damage inside the gas station He's banned for life She said something about driving the car again. So the way in which the car is like at an angle and the door is wide open and somethinguff like that seems like it was Tom based, but she's still going to get her scratcher time in. like not to be deterred. The money's not going to win itself. Exactly I to give it to Dale. shhout out Dale for the DJing Y. And then I mean, spoil alert for my like favorite spooker Hunt or scare fright. Dale with the blacked out eyes. Oh my gos audio. And I think that Jeff Hiller has incredible face. And I think he did something like super weird with his tongue to make him look like especially horrified. It wasn't even mismatched audio. It was like he he was doing a weird tongue thing, but also just like not speaking at all horrifying horrifying.'m giving to Da between the DJing and that. Those two characters, I think, just in terms of temperament and personality, they've had very limited screen time over the course of this season. But When you think about who would be going along for the ride as Patricia is like, G me these dead crows and also here's nine hundred songs with which to DJ this party. It's like Dale is just like go along to get along enough to want to partake in it. and Rosemary is just kind of like rough and mildly annoyed enough that she would do it anyway. But also she's like se she knows the S haag lore. like Rosemary knows a lot is like locked T in that room. It's true. You know, she knows a lot. in that crawl space. She's seen a lot. she cannot, you cannot face her. No. She's just seen too much So if you put a headdress on with a handler, the headpiece reveal is wonderful. It's so good when you rewatch and she's like, Iconsidered headpiece is like what she says to refer to the TR and it's just a perfect word choice because like I was like, Yeahah, get that dumb fucking tiara off your head. What especially when Chris and the mean girls are like mocking her I was like, what does she have on her head? It's a tiara? Turns out it's not. Well, it is of a kind. There's a little more antlerred than you might expect J' a little more yellow jacket antler quueen stuff Okay. favorite obvious joke It's the rhythm of the night I mean it comes back in on that come on it comes back for the creditss like, it is an incredible choice and honestly like does have a certain witchy power to it. Yeah It's a bop. It's an absolute bop Um, I don't know what like Cona and all of them were channeling when they wrote it and created in the first place, but it has it has a certain power, It has a certain like you think there were bone fragments in their mortar and pestal when they wrote that song? I think the entire wave of like Euro house music that permeated the United States specifically in the nineties all feels mythical to me. I think also yeah, chanting quality, the same way that earlier he plays Let's dance David Bowie, right? So like Um, you know, which is just like an invocation of kind Hey everybody been a witch, I would support it. Probably was. Patricia For me, Patricia's circling her shoulders first in the drawing and the bt. straight to the shoulders. It's like what? Is that a posture? I need to like, you know M on my posture? Is that a posture comment? I don't, And then she just circles like nine other things, but it's just like starting with the shoulders is really funny to me. I mean, we all have things we hate about ourselves Specifically, people who have been so locked in on their shoulders, or' heard people be like, Ohh my Godd, I hate my calves. I'm like I mean, it's not. No, it's often because someone has said something to you once ever. It's probably Chris. And like forever, you're like, My earlobes are larger than other people's earlobes. Oh no Okay, favorite throway joke. This one's a real throwaway, but it made me laugh a lot and it's when the janitor comes into city hall during Tom's drip and says, Oh, somebody's got a full belly. You got a lot of teat today to the trash can Funny It doesn't apologize. just like's like, oh are you I know you were here. Yeah,' really funny. Really, really good. This is less of like a throwaay joke and I guess more of like a delivery, but again, shout out Dale, shout out Jeff Hiller. When Patricia asks how many RSPs are and he hands her a piece of paper and And she's like, there is zero. you could have just said zero. And he just says very faintly, I didn't want toer I didn't want People please are dale doing his best even in a dark moment. I have like fifty honorable mentions for. I mean it's ridiculous. I think the illustrations in the self helpalth book about the Perfect party was all like the people having the time of their lives dressed in exquisite like cocktail attire and And then there's a giant pile of cocaine on the table It's what facilitates these things. The shoulders, of course, the speed with which Patricia shoves her fingers straight down Tom's throat when he wants to purge the mushrooms, like no hesitation whatsoever. This is why you need a Paticia in your left. You need that person in your corner. Absolutely. What el do you have Joe? Lucy Fes is the name of the author of the book. There's also four corners, like a little illustration of the four corners on the front of the book of the book when it's in self help mode. Even just out with the old in with the you, I would love to see the whiteboard of alternative self help books that they came up with In episode five, when therere when Tom Texton on the funeral and you're just hearing this guy tell this anecdote and afterwards someone says just a reminder, it's not mandatory that you speak. It's not U Similarly, sort of off camera when Patricia' trying to get people to stay at the party and she's like, I'm sure the doctor has some fun like medical stories and's like I'm off the clock and then Ruth chimes in and she's like, I have one. It started in a foot. I also I also wrote this down. Ruth, again is just batting a thousand every time she pops up, every time shes' be like yeah, I'm going home with three of. Rhs Rsmary Dale, like iconic The only other one I had was when Patricia is crying in the kitchen and someone busts in and she turns it into a fake yarn to try to hide her crying. That' some like next level, Baba duking, I think. Is it? Yeah to cover your cry with a yarn. What should you cover it with? like What's the appropriate thing? Well, she's right at the fridge. I would just like whip the door the fridge open and like misses Doubtfire my way through it, You know what I mean? I'm just imagining her with the full antler regalia attempting to do the cryon and this woman's like one. Would you have wanted to get like a sort of flash through the I mean, like thinking about it would have been funny. I guess the whole town is wired for video surveillance, interesteresting, but like the reveal of Patricia sitting at that CCTV. Yeah, yeah, sitting at the table reading the remoir until like, or in the morning or whatever But like to see the grimoir in her hands or to see the antlers, you know, like to rewatch the episode. We should say just in case people are like, you missed it or we didn't we didn't. During the dance in the bar There's like in the mirror and there one shot of everyone standing there with their mouth open. But I just wanted to say it so people were like, did you miss this? We did not miss that. What is it so fundamentally creepyy about people with their old mws, you know? It's just it's scary in a way I can't articulate and I don't really know why. It's like to me, goes back to like in mjor of the body snatchers. and that's like a body snatcher like the point in the Oh, very the faculty too where all the tentacly things coming out. to say you're with us. Always. Always. All right. favorite horror movie reference slash Easter egg. For this, it's sort of the subversion of our expectations around Reverend Bryce, where when he's introduced into the story, specifically as Tom's friend, it's like I think one of two things is going to happen. Either he will be the one to give Wick and Tom and their crew the download on like either severely or maniacally.. What is happening on the island?s here's the history. hereere's what I have discovered. or You perform at least one exercis. But no, he gets the chance to do none of those thingsission A a commission, anotherother terrifying visual of him having hung hung himself or just be hung on the back of the door. Oh yeah. I mean it The idea that it makes you wonder like what could this man have possibly seen that would lead him to this end? Maybe even enough to want to take some spooky mushrooms yourself just to find out. Yeah, what did he see down that well? I don't wantan to know what he saw down the well I think it's going to come back For me, I have nothing better than our listeners's suggestion of Patricia's wardrobe. I think the Cry, Shelley DuVal sort of like invocitation there. All right, Best haunt scare, spook or fright. I already said it was Dale with his blacked out eyes and unsynced voice or not synced at all. What do you have? For me, it is whatever is happening with Lauren and that very brief visual we get of her after she's been brought in and seen by the doctor Maybe still with child, maybe Evan's already been born, but it's like her sitting on the bed. mute and likeacant vacant and Kind of possessed at the same time is just like I're headed just like a slight horror movie angle I was shocked to see that this actress is Meredith Casey, who I think is also a comedian. does not have an extensive acting history becauseuse she has like popped up again, in like a hallucinogenic dead wife sort of way mostly to date, but like this is a physical performance, even in that split second that I think is just the creepiest image of the show has shown us so far. Very tough. Very impressive, very scary. I'm terrified of everything that it portends. We did ask for a listener suggestion for categories and though did officially like add any Our lister Faith suggested creepiest Blink and you'll miss it moment. That's probably the reflections, I would think, right? I was thinking of reflections, but also in episode four when Patricia first brings the book home She puts it on her bedside table and she puts her mug of tea on top of it. Yeah. And then she goes to like do something and and it's just like all one shot and when she comes back to frame, the mug of tea is no longer on top of the book in a sort of like read me kind of way book is like, get this mu of tea. I'm not a coter. I'm not a coaster. Read me. I thought that was a really cool moment. I also like her reading the book at the picnic tpe at all the bikes colliding around The fight's breaking out New England's best kept secret at a moment where you thought, huh, would it actually be nice to live here Okay, so the circumstances were not ideal Bonfire That could have been really nice. That could have been a really nice time. I really agree. Cocktails at Patricia's. Yeah, a nice little dance and hang and then off to the beach for a bonfire. that's a wonderful night. I have a marketing note for Patricia. Okay. If you are not, who no fault of your own, pererhaps the most popular person on the islands. Don't put it on the invite Don't say cut us with Patricia. Yeah. Just say someell cocktails like, you know, Come have some drinks on us, the town. Sure. Free drinks Sure, it's animal blood, but like I wouldn't say cocktails with Patricia When Chris is like, you be the municipal of us But here's the thing, whoo are you fooling? Like they know that she works at City Hall. They know that she would be involved in drreams with deals Is I mean, with all due respect to Dalesdale any more popular than Patricia is? Yeah. mayaybe so.ou. The Reese piece, somethingomet about Matthew Rese that you want to shut out here. comedy. Yeah, Episode five is ridiculous. A ridiculous showhcase for Matthew Reese. Trying to make himself vomit when he can't.'s just like it's really funny. Really incredible I mean, he's basically like Charlie Chaplin in this episode. Like the physical comedy beats, like the wide eyed like wonder and terror at everything happening around him. The absolutely possessed way that he lunges for his loafer in the convenience store As Amber is the color of your energy plays, whichich comes back at the closing credits. I love that Amber is the color of your energy play. Yeah, the way he looks into the car, say goodnight to Little Miss was really funny. His clapping during the meeting with the townspeople. It was so I was like trying to analyze like why does this look so strange? He's just incredible. He's a master. The root of the matter. What is Stephen Rot doing this episode that you want to? I mean, we can share Little history. ke me out too late. I mean, they had something going on and maybe what's old is new again. You know, think I think they could have especially if Ja is going to be part of the gang and helping them investigate some spooky artifacts. Honestly, I love seeing a version of Wake that is still cooky and driven and weird. But him getting to be like spirit detective wick. Differe side of him that I really appreciated. I will say Wick and Jare shot to the top of my ship. Like if Patricia and Tom are on the shipping list for me it's like Wick and Jared. who else is on the list? Like? Evan and the off Island girl who might be also the seahag. I don't know, like she's a. I don't know. whoo are these off Island girls Who are they? They're just off island girls. They could be, but like, Joe, not every girl is a hag. I mean something to aspire to. So the shipping list. I mean, yeah, there's Tom and Patricia. We addressed that that I think I think a lot of people probably will be invested in that one. Tom's face and the S Hag potentially returning Who's to say what those kids could get up to? Tom and his dead ghostwife I mean, anything is possible on this island. She could She could return in many terrifying forms. Yeah And we're rooting for them. We are We want those two crazy kid to work an out right. Evan, H here's what I'll say about Evan And you werere right to call out the Lake wasn't here your friend press button what's the system delivery was like really funny about the phone. Incredibly funny. But when When Tom says, I see you calculating how much you can get away with, which this actor had to convey with just a look and he really did. He does. He really, really nailed it. I just think he's fantastic. I think he's so good. His physical comedic performance has been great all season. He also did the exact thing that I remember doing when I was a kid and went into my dad's office, which is I open every drawer.if. And we found in one of my dad's drawers like a couple of candy bars and we're like he has a candy drawer in here. Oh you say weeds, you and your brother Me and my brother both going through it simultaneously. That's the kind of bit of family lore You just never let down. I would do everything in my parents closet like constantly. How could you not You just gotta see what's going on in there. But we're omitting what is the clear Ean contribution of these episodes. While I'm walking away, can I just yell fuck you pig for the girls? 'cause here, Joe on this podcast, we always say fuck you pig for the girls. We do, we do But you're being like, No, the fuck you cannot. That's really good Carol's really good on this show. All right, theory, my only theory is these off Island girls, I'm looking as scs. Really? I mean A single girl shows up in the story and it must be her fault. Who are they? Itms like it's their fault, but who are they? It's true. They don't seem to have parents. They don't have any reasason for being there. I mean We're here for the holiday. Greater that it's only been two days. Like when I thought it was like a week, you know what I mean? when I thought it was like the first then the fourth or something like that, I'm like, how long are these girls here on this island? But if it's just been a couple days, like, okay. I think it's only been a couple days and we live in a world now where this is the new Martha'sineyard People are just showing up. If it was just diating in the firework. Yes. If it was just Old Widow's Bay. Yeah Off Island girls are not showing up But they're showing up here for the fireworks and those fireworks are going to happen. And they did. And they did. All right, anything else you want to say about W this b? Just one more thing, Joe The sacred geometry of outlining your hand on a piece of paper. A great recurring gag in episode five, and specifically, I would say how seriously Patricia ponders the drawing in the first place really made it for me. Well also just the cut to the fact that Tom was doing the same thing. right Also, it made me think of you because like very recently you invoked hand turkeys.. Would you like to explain why Would you like to explain why? I would. I was wearing, you know, a warm colored orange shirt on this couch was surrounded by these very tasteful pillows that are here at Spotify Studios And I was looking a little like a hand turkey with my plumage. So You know, it's just it's been in the ether over here. S sometimes you're the Bobaduke, sometimes you'rean turkey, you know, are the reality. Thank you to Mary Chapf and Carpenter for supporting this episode. All right, well, that is it for episodes four and five of Widows Bay. We'll be back for Euphoria with Friday Light. Y and more Widows Bay. 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