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Speaking of which we have had an email, I believe, from a filmmaker. Oh yes, we've spoken uh a little bit in our Top Gun episode and various other things about military hardware and you know when you team up with the Pentagon and it's very nice to hear from To make a film rather than to you know Bomba Petro stayed. Yes, exactly. Although he may have done that. He may have done that and he didn't. He doesn't deny it here, certainly. John Moore, thank you, John, who was the director of behind enemy lines, also did The Good Day to Die Hard. Yeah. That's cool. John, we're fanboying. He says, Hi Marina, hi Richards, says your name first, because that because he's a class act. It's a class act. He said, I directed the two thousand and one military movie Behind Enemy Lies We Know, starring Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman, which did use a lot of hardware, including F eighteen Super Hornets. Who I really hope that's a plane and not an insect. Um aircraft carriers, helicopters, etc. etc. You know you're a call director when you can go helicopters, etc. etc. Your analysis was spot on. The Pentagon handles all of it on a case by case basis. But the good news is when they do commit, you have a pretty broad access. And though, yes, if there is a real life emergency you do have to quickly adapt, there are moments where you are truly in charge of an aircraft carrier. He says if for example, you need the boat to turn left or right to capture the light where you want it. So you get to go. Just turn the aircraft carrier right just for a minute, please. That's my ambition for for the year. I literally just want to just say heave starboard or something like that. Whatever that I you know, I just want to do the technical thing. Yeah. I don't think they do say that. Yeah, and on the bridge again, what did she say? Heave starboard. I I think she meant turn left. Does he mean turn left? He says it takes months of prep meetings after meetings and a lot of very serious safety prep when there are aircraft involved, I bet. Now he says the Pentagon are not as censorious as many believe. They do not encourage particularly negative views, of course, but are generally interested in reflecting reality. And I have to say, this is a good review for the Pentagon as the Pentagon are listening. Just not that they need one at the moment, but really can I just break actually. Dear Pentagon. I have to say, if every producer could deliver what they promise at a level the Pentagon do, there would be a lot more happy directors out there. Wow. Wow. Thank you, John. Thank you ever so much for uh for that. If anyone else has uh has steered an aircraft carrier, do let us know. Yeah, and if everyone else could just like keep to those standards in terms of when they make any form of a deal with the production. Turn out and do what you say you're gonna do. Yeah, just like the uh just like the Pentagon. Like the people who make House Against Prizes on the Pentagon. They never let you down. Shall we have a question? Yes, let's have one. I have a question for you, Marina, from Ewan Forsyth. Thank you, Ewan. He says in heated rivalry, Ilya and Shane sit beside a large mirror during the first time they truly see each other. The setting fits the scene perfectly, but feels like it would be challenging at least, or an absolute nightmare to film. When using mirrors in film, TV and photography, what balance is required for logistics and cinematography? Do you two have a favourite mirror scene on the screen? I was enjoying that question until the end. Okay, I first of all you had me from Heated Rivalry. I think the scene you're talking about is when they're in the right. You know what? When when we started with heated rivalry though, I bet I bet not many people knew where that question was going. Oh you're talking about mirrors. Yeah. Okay. Well sure. Yes. They're after they've had a sexually charged like competitive workout on some exercise bikes. I think we're talking about that one and they're each on either side and they're again one of those g mirrors that's against the back wall of the gym. That's fine, 'cause if you notice in that, the camera, you know, these are the sort of things I noticed and he thought. That's all I noticed is just the camera angles. I just watched it as a technical exercise. That's the question, really. When you're filming or photographing a camera, where is the camera? When when when you're photocoming or photographing a mirror, where is the camera? There's it's quite black the background. The camera is in the middle in a tripod and it doesn't move. It's a fixed position camera, therefore it's quite easy to have painted it out after say what they must have done for that scene, right? But there are many different ways. He Jacob Tierney, who directed he wrote it and he directed it, he uses so many mirrors in that show and there's s lots of reflective glass and there's as I say, you know, a lot of it's done in hotel rooms and but hotel suites. He likes mirrors and you know, there's by the way, if you want to get into some fan discourse on what it all means and the r reflections of each other and internalized homophobia, please get out there on that internet and you'll find plenty. But I would call it heated mirrors. Yeah. Heated mirror, by the way. That is a game changer, heated mirror. Yeah. Anyway. Yes. I digress. Yes. It is incredibly difficult as you can imagine to not have the camera show in a mirror scene. There's lots of different ways they do them and they vary in cost and in ingenuity. So we'll go through them. Cheat mirrors. They might just angle it in a slightly weird way so you don't see the camera. And maybe certainly one of my shout-outs for possibly one of my favourite movie scenes ever, the taxi in taxi driver when Robert De Niro is talking to himself in the mirror. Oh that's a good motion I thought of that. Yeah well that there we go. That that one they tilt that mirror and that's so that's you know they didn't have much huge amounts of money Martin Scorsese and he does that, but it's great and he improvises a lot of that scene. It limits the camera movement. You can't do a lot, but it doesn't didn't matter there. You can totally remove the mirror, so you're essentially filming through so the thing that you're showing is actually the real person and the c th the camera as it were, the shot is the mirror frame. Um and they do sometimes do that. So you would do that and then just put like a frame of a mirror on it in post so it looks like there's an incredible scene in Contact where she's running up the stairs and she sort of runs into a house, runs all the way upstairs, runs along a corridor, and then there's a really small bathroom mirror, and then she opens and opens the bus bathroom cabinet and that is done in a very clever way and you can watch whole tutorials about how they did that. It's one of the famous movie scenes because it's it's just not at all clear how you could achieve that in such a small space and not have basically it all be camera. Yeah, so as I said you, can totally remove the mirror. And sometimes what they have is a body double as the um person looking in the mirror as it were. So you've got the real actor pretending to be themselves in the mirror and then someone mimicking their actions for the reflection Well no it looks it looks good. There's you can obviously just do it with digital and CGI and so in something like Doctor Strange they've got tons of mirror stuff. Two-way mirrors, which are helpful. You often see that obviously in police procedurals. And then the camera just films from the dark side and it looks good that that way of framing it. And then it's a mirror when you look from the other side. So that makes things quite easy. Needless to say that this is something that is famously used by James Cameron, the mirror room technique, where you create an entire identical room through the mirror. Um, and so you can do anything there. You can have lots of movement in the camera, so you can get that that will deliver the best thing. It's obviously the most difficult and the most sort of more expensive. In Terminator 2, that fit there's a famous scene where Lim Linda Hamilton is operating on the Terminator model. And do you this is amazing how they did this. She is doing on Schwarzenegger, as it were. Her twin sister Leslie. Come on. No, it's true. It's true, James Cameron. Her twin sister Leslie is doing it with a working prosthetic head that can actually like grimace and stuff of of Schwarzenegger on the other side of a non-mirror because they've created it's very very expensive it involves an enormous amount of choreography it's really helpful if you've got a twin. Wow well that's like being a being being a magician's assistant. Almost all magicians' assistant are are identical twins. Yes. Are they not? Which allows you to do extraordinary things. No, I'm not that behind the scenes. I'm a member of the magic circle, though. My my identical twin brother is. Yeah. But anyway, so that so there's all sorts of different ways and it's I think the the body the twin b yeah. So those are I suppose those are three of my favourite scenes. But I honestly every time I see it, I'm like I'm trying to work out which one they've done. Now I just want to hear John Moore telling us how he shoots uh mirror scenes. Yes. Uh okay, I'll tell you. John Wright in again. Yeah, right. Yeah, guys, I can't I cannot do this every week. I am busy. Was there a point at which Gene Hapman like sort met his reflection in the bathroom mirror and thought, why am I doing this? Not the film, but like why why am I doing whatever it is he's doing? Maybe there was. My favourite mirror thing well, a couple of things I'll say. I don't like it. I I do not like it if I scene starts in a bathroom and the bathroom cabinet is open. So they're in a bathroom, they're over the sink, uh, and you're seeing into the bathroom cabinet and there's, you know, m tablets and whatever. Because you know Yeah, America. They also have so much better stuff in their cabinets than us. But you know the second that that starts that at some point they're gonna close that cabinet, yeah, there's gonna be a mirror and there's gonna be a murderer just appears behind them. So that I don't like. The just Honestly, the second that's it, I just you know what, I'm just gonna not look until has is the murderer there yet? The best ever mirror thing, because you said two-way mirror sign without two-way mirror, is the cold open of Brooklyn nine nine um when the lineup sings backstreet boys. That's the best ever that's the best error you ever use of a of a of a two way mirror. So that's correct. In the That's correct. There's no no further questions. Yes. Excellent. I did it. I also love that um the Instagram account which is people selling mirrors. Uh have you seen that? No. Oh it's amazing. Okay, cool. Which is because anyone's ever tried to sell a mirror and you put 'em up on gumtree or whatever it is, you have to take a photo of the mirror that makes it look good, but without you being in it. Yes. Um but lots of people don't quite manage it or haven't realized they've sort of caught themselves or and you know they're in like very, very unusual positions. It's really genuinely hilarious. People selling mirrors. Question from Susie who says, I absolutely love the podcast. Oh thank you, Susie. That's very kind. Thank you both for sharing your insight into such a fascinating industry. I have a question. When a new format TV show is filmed, is the episode that was filmed first always shown first, or do they hide it halfway through the run? Oh god, that is genuinely a blast from the past. There are certain shows where you have to go from episode one. So if you have something like Pointless, for example, where the winner stays on, then you have to continue from episode one. You do anything with a reality element to it, you have to work from episode one. If you have a show where they are capsule episodes at beginning and middle and end, and tomorrow a whole new group of people turn up, then you can do whatever you want. And then yes normally if you're shooting a you know a ser,ies of six, you might put episode four out first when you know, you hit the ground running and you you you the little kind of tweaks that you made, you know, you got stuff wrong in the first episode, you might put that out first. Or if it's sort of a Did you do that with House of Games? Like was the first w week you shot? That's a good question. I think so 'cause I think we aired we we sort of did a like a kind of pilot week. Funny enough thinking about doing my last everyone that pilot week 'cause Rick Edwards was was on it and I was I saying I'd I'd love someone from that first week oh yeah to be uh on on the final one. So it was Rick Edwards, Angela Scanlon, Clara Amfo and Charlie Hickson. And yes, I think we always knew that was going to be our first week. So yeah, I think we couldn't hide anything there. But if you're watching House of Games now, when we we don't do that in order. You know, we'll we will put out stuff at various points. You know, occasionally someone will say, Oh by the way, you know, could could this go on after Strictly 'cause I'm on Strictly so you'll put the after and you can you can move things about a little bit. You know you know where Christmas is gonna go but but apart from that you don't and yeah you will often front load um episodes so you've got good ones. If you're doing a show, you know, if you've got something that has a big jackpot, if you've got something like the wheel, for example, which which doesn't roll over at all. So who wants to be a millionaire? Yeah. You have to do the first one. Million pound drop, you have to do the first one. You know, most shows have some sort of recurring thing where it means you can't put them out of order. But the wheel you can record ten of them uh and in episode eight somebody wins 85,000 pounds or just misses 85,000 pounds and it's a great ending. You might put that first. You might kind of think, you know what? Let's absolutely lead lead with that. And certainly if you've got a brand new format that you want to show off, uh, and there's something about that format. If you've got, you know, there's something about the form at that you know is going to hook people in, but occasionally it doesn't happen in a particular episode, you would search for the episode that shows the viewer exactly what this show is, how it can work, what mad things can happen in your show, and put that first, and then you know, by episode seven or something, you can put out the um the the the more regular ones. But what what you get all the time, you know, I did a show called Two Tribes, which we absolutely could put out of order and we did. And I remember a good friend of me mine saying to after about three weeks of that saying, Oh, it's really, really interesting, 'cause at first I wasn't sure about the show, but you you know, you've really worked out what it is now. And you know, you and I said you are watching it completely out of order. The person who's worked out what it is is you. Okay, we uh we worked out what it was by episode 17, which is why that was episode one. You are watching episode two where we had no idea what it was, but you have worked out what it is. So yeah, it it's it is with sitcoms, of course, by and large you have to put them all in order, but occasionally again you'll have to get a sitcom that is, you know, like m porridge or steptown sun or you know some of the old old stuff. You'll you'll have things that you can put out of order. But if you can put stuff out of order, you do. Definitely. If you can put out the first one, that's great. But usually it's not quite where it needs to be. And you will work something out. And definitely, definitely, definitely, if you've got something that really shows off your format and it's a new format, you really want to hit the ground running. That's when every reviewer only ever review the first episode of something, which I do think is crazy. You know, even dramas, they'll do the first episode of something. And you go, you know, there's five more episodes of this that you could review. But yeah, you you you definitely want to put your best foot forward and it is scary when you do a show that has a rolling jackpot or has a returning cast where you cannot do that and then you just you you know uh it probably doesn't make any difference in the end. But as a producer if there's something you can control you, do try to. Yeah, if you see a show where it could be put out in any order, then by and large it it will be put out in any order. Right. Shall we now go to a break? I'm gonna be giving away a little Would I Lie to you secret after the break as well. I've had an amazing answer from the brilliant Peter Holmes who produces Would I Lie To You for a great question as well. So I want you to ask me that after the break. 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Chris Herbert has a question for you. It's a topical one. Chris says, My question follows on from your recent episode regarding the Harry Styles conspiracy and the internet losing its mind over Jim Carey's appearance at the Cesar Award. What have been the most outlandish celebrity conspiracy theories in history, and have any of them proved to be true? I really want your take on the Jim Carey thing. We almost did it in the regular episode, but uh it's an amazing story. Jim Carrey, who's doesn't do a lot in front of the camera nowadays, accepted a few weeks ago an honorary César, which is a film award, and he went to Paris and he did his whole acceptance speech in French. It was that coupled with the fact that people thought he'd had so much work done on his face. By the way, I thought it was slightly exaggerated. I looked at the pictures. I mean, okay, fine, his like second mention was always the rubber face funny man. Yeah. And maybe it's not so rubbery now. Maybe it doesn't maybe it's the rubber has gone a bit hard. It's a bit more epoxy resin, isn't it now? And so people said, Oh no, he's been cloned. And I think it wasn't hugely ha there was a drag queen who said that she'd played him for the uh Yes. Yeah. But I mean I think she was just sort of joking and trying to get in on it all. None of these are ever true, by the way. I don't think. None of them are ever true. But he but the interesting thing with Jim Perry that made it a tiny bit more believable is that he played Andy Kaufmann, who did do this sort of of thing. He was one the few people in history who actually did do that kind of stuff. And so you could imagine that as a performance piece, Jim Carey, who is this is why I think it caught light Jim Carrey, who is quite reclusive and doesn't really do very much and is suddenly speaking in a different language and has had some work done. It's clearly you can still see it's him, but you could imagine that that might be a performance piece. I don't imagine he's been cloned because I feel that medically that would be um huge advances would be needed to do that. But certainly it's done on Barry Diller's dogs, why can't they do it with Jim Carrey? That's true, I suppose so. But it certainly could have been someone someone wearing a mask. You think that that wouldn't be impossible? But uh It'd be a long way to go to set some French film award no one cares about. I know but sometimes you know, like on a on a Friday on on a Friday evening you you don't want to go to the other side of, you know, the town where you live. You know, he might not want to go to France. I s God's such a long way to go in a metaphorical sense as opposed to just to getting on a plane. We've got to go back to the culture here because we're now going through another big conspiracies moment and there are all kinds of ones bubbling on the you know, Michelle Obama's a man, uh Bridget Macron's a man, I think Selena Gomez, she's another one they think has been cloned because her appearance has changed a bit in um you know, there's a really simple exp explanation for this, by the way. And everyone in Hollywood's on it. Princess Kate. Do you remember last year they thought that you know during the cancer scare there was some fake video of made of her of a garden center. It was completely we are in a cultural moment where for reasons that we keep saying this that people feel they're being lied to about all sorts of things and, there is a sort of groundswell of conspiracy, cloning or complete misrepresentation is a part of that. So we're going through one of those. We have by the way, this is pretty cyclical, and it happens a lot. In the early 2010s, people were like, oh Brittany's been, you know, there's Britney's got body doubles. Avril Levine has been replaced because she's difficult or whatever, and she's been replaced with someone applying. All the fake pregnancy stories that I can't even remember them all, you know, Beyonce, all of those ones. Melania is faked. Well, this is what I am so ashamed of because literally on my way here, I thought, oh my god, I forgot I started one of these. You started the Melania one. Okay, in 2017, it's a Friday night. Yeah. I've got a babysitter. You were in your lab. No, I'm I'm not yeah, you don't but I thought there would be a high barrier to entry to all this sort of stuff. You'd need a YouTube channel and you know. I was simply exiting South Kent's tube station to meet Kieran and go and have a drink with him. And NBC posted a video of um Trump being interviewed at a secret service training facility while Melania stood next to him. Now she had that look which we see in often with her, the Mac with the collar turned out. I mean, is literally like of someone in a disguise, and and the sunglasses. As I walked across the road, merely a few steps to meet him, I had I tweeted absolutely convinced that Melania is being played by a Melania impersonator these days. Theory, she left him weeks ago, and thought nothing more of it. Now, within a few days, this thing had I've thought, oh my god, it's gone so viral. There was a section on GBGMB about it. Sky News did it. The Washington Post did it. They cleaned it up, tarted it up, trying to make it look good for them. You know, USA Today. Listen, by the way, by next Thursday as well, they NBC just put the video out really quickly in the way that you can with a clip. All the news photographers later uploaded all their pictures and you could see her walking round this thing and in the other pictures it's quite obviously actual Melania. Yeah. Uh and not a second lady., as it were Yeah, but it's interesting you're saying that now because uh do you want my theory? Okay, just resume it. I think twenty start it again. I think twenty seventeen, for whatever reason you weren't in the pocket of whoever you're in the pocket of now and you were free to tell the truth. That's Yeah, you can't resist going behind the curtain, can you, even now? Yeah, and they're saying to you, No, you have to you have to debunk this now. So I think old Marina was telling you the truth, I think this weird cloned Marina who's in front of me is a shill. Yeah. That's what I think. It's a take. Thank you. But I forgot that I'd started I started the what can you start now? Well uh yeah, I mean um it it I forgot I didn't realize that but this is a long time I I genuinely completely forgotten that this thing had happened and then I remembered or I've actually even written something about it. I mean so many columns. But um so little time. Is it yeah. And so but I do think in terms of like are they ever true I mean not really. Yeah. Paul McCartney wasn't like a Tupac I think ha did leave us. Yeah. I don't think in general they're really ever true that the claims. I had the great pleasure of meeting Paul McCartney recently. It was one of the greatest things that ever happened to me and I was worried I thought what am I going to say to Paul McCartney? 'Cause he's a you know I do think of of all the billions of people who've ever lived, he's he's had pretty much absolutely one of the most extraordinary lives of the billions of people there's ever been, and from where he came from as well. And he's spoken to everyone and you know, he's heard everything. So I thought what do I say to Paul McCartney? But um then he said to me on House of Games, do you film five a day or do you come back the next day? So I thought great favourite thing that they I knew this, but I love it so much. He was it was extraordinary to see him and it was at the Wings documentary, which I I recommended before and if you haven't seen it, you you must do. What an extraordinary man and what how lovely to be alive at the same time as him and what joy he's given to Yeah, you can't believe you're alive with a everybody. But yeah, it was it was it was yeah, that was a proper pinch me moment, but I loved that um he's a that yeah, he watches House of Games, you think. It was like you know, when George Michael used to watch Deal and No Deal. It's great. I love it. It's it's when icons and legends are human beings. It's such a such a lovely thing. Now, would I lie to you, Katie O'Sullivan has been on and she says Oh she's been on, has she? Oh she's been on. Katie O'Sullivan's been on. Katie O'Sullivan's been on. She probably maybe she has. It's not detailed in the question. Sorry. Sidebar. Get you to land that plane. Okay. She says, How do the producers find the mystery guests? How far do they go to track down the perfect esoteric guest and bring them to the studio? I really want to know the answer to this too. So this is on the this is my round on um Would I Lie to You? Because often when you're playing it, that does actually go through your head, and I think when you wat'chreing at home as well, you think, yeah, but surely they wouldn't be able to track that person down. So, you know, if it's like this is my next door neighbour who you know, blah blah blah, but if it's like this is someone I knew when I was 17, you're like Yeah, or this is someone I met on holiday. So I asked your question to Peter Holmes who created Would I Lie To You and and still um runs it and produces it. We must do like a whole lot of special with Peter and his lovely wife Rachel who execuces it as well. They would they would answer every time. Peter and Rachel, please come on the show. Come on, Peter and Rachel. But f for now, Peter Peter has as asked this one. And I apologise I'm reading this out by the way, but Peter has told it beautifully, so I want to tell it exactly how he's told it. Over nineteen years, on what I lied to you, yeah, we've booked a hundred and seventy-one. This is my guess, and we've probably tracked down about three times as many. We've spoken before about how this show works, is that when you're on it, you will do a research chat with one of the researchers and talk about your life and they'll note down any funny stories. But in that it might be one of those is like a this is my is like a person who they could find. And Peter says that some some of them, you know, a guest can give us a direct contact and that's uh super easyy. But man, many of them require quite a bit of detective work. We have found people in Australia, America. We have found random flight attendants, builders, hotel receptionists, tour guys, vicars. We even found uh a bus driver for Barry Cryer. I'm gonna give you one that stands out is uh you know what's the furthest they've gone. But it's interesting they really can go and do a lot of detective work. So you can't just think, yeah, but there's no way they'd remember like a they'd be able to find this bus driver from ten years ago. It's the researchers. We'll go out and do that. One that stands out both as a bit of uh great bit of detective work and a lovely moment on the show was finding the this is my for Rob Rinder. Now this was an episode I was on. This is an episode I I was on and'm sure when I was on I thought there's no way you'd be able to find that person. So during his research chat, he told us that he had a secret crush on a school friend and that for the past twenty years he'd used this crush's name as the basis for all his internet passwords. So I remember sitting there and there and that you think, okay. And then he was saying, Oh, I didn't really know this guy particularly though. I just said the guy would never know. And I was thinking, what if you don't know the guy particularly? There's no way. There's no way they've tracked this person down. But they had. So he said Robert said to them that he hadn't seen this guy since school. He had no idea where he lived, but he had heard somewhere in the dim and distant past that he now had a job that was, and I quote Peter Holmes, something to do with meat. Okay? So this is the info they had. They knew his name was Edward, and he had a fairly common surname. That's all they had. He did something to do with meat. He'd went to school with Rob Rinder. He was called Edward, had a fairly common surname. Peter says the um the this is my booker for that series, Kimberly Boak, um, gets on the case, right? So she knows that uh he's gone to high school in the high barn area, so Kimberly begins contacting anyone she could find with his name in that locale, asking him if they'd been into school with Judge Rinder. None of them had. A thought occurred in the production office. If he had something to do with meat, he might be a butcher. So we took to Google Earth to stroll around the high barnet area looking at Butcher's shopfronts to see if Edward's name made an appearance in any of the signage. It didn't. The search for other Edwards further afield began in earnest, and after lots of this is what goes into that's why this show is one of the best on TV is you know they don't muck about. The search for other Edwards uh further afield began in earnest, and after lots of dead ends, one in Milton Keynes caught Kimberley's eye. A searching company's house revealed that this Edward ran a catering business called Porky and Best. Could this be Rinder's meat vending school crush? Email contact was made with Edward. Did you by any chance go to school with Judge Rinder? He did. Were you a pole vaulter? This was other information they'd even be given. This that wasn't then it always just asked that. Uh he was. Can we call you? You can. So Kimley calls Edward, asked for his recollections of being at school with Judge Rinder. Edward was aware by the way I',m not giving his uh his very common surname because that would give away Judge Rinder's passwords. I'm sure he's changed them. Edward was aware of Judge Rinder, but they hadn't really spoken much. He had no idea that Robert had a crush on him or that he'd been the basis for his passwords for the last twenty years. And yes, he would love to appear on the show. Once in the studio, the three panelists each made their claim as to how they knew him. Denise Lewis said that Robert had helped him to pick up and move his car after she'd been blocked in by Daily Thompson. I think I went for that one. Um 'cause it just sounds the sort of thing Lima's so epic. Limax said he had dressed as Edward's wife to fool his son into thinking his mum has attended his school play and judge her and had told the truth. Uh Davis team interrogated each story before landing on the genuine connection, the other two members of that team, Catherine Ryan and some bloke called Richard Osman. It was a very funny and warm moment in the studio to see Robert lost for words as he came face to face with his school crush. After the show, the two of them sat together in the Walty Green Room, sharing a drink or two and catching up on life since school. Edward's picture was unpinned from the production office wall and replaced with the this is my guest for the next show, and the team headed home, satisfied that the case of Edward the Meat Man had been well and truly sol ved. That is art. It's unbelievable. I mean they should all work for the FBI or something. Shouldn't it be amazing when you think how long the Met take to bring them certain people, isn't it? I mean they should go and work there. But I I think that is just complete poetry. I think it's amazing. And for a show that feels like it's has such a light touch and feel and when you're on it does have a light touch. It's like you're walking on air when you're on that show. But as so often in television, that's because there are people behind the Okay, it's decided we are doing a special QA. So many questions not least my family.