Forrest Gump Sequel and Film Adaptations

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Okay We're going to start with Madonna You must. Yeah. Nathan Stucker has a question. Madonna has said that she in Universal de partarted ways over her biopic apparently starring Juliia Ganner. It seems like a fortune had been put into pre production, including something called a Madonna bootcamp How often do films fall at the final hurdle? Is there a point where productions have to happen because of sunk costs? H Yeah, partarted ways is one of those real newspaper words, isn't it? The newspaper phrases. Theyve partarted ways, you know, like when you have to say a manag you can't say a manager is going to be sack because you could get suits. you have to say that on the brink. Okay, yeah, they have one hundred percent passedways. Let's put it that way, Nathan. This is a film about her co written by her and directed by herself. No way Yeah, I've got to question the wisdom of universals. investment in that. What we do know is that the script for the Madonna biopic was and remember, there are a lot of these kind of music biopics they're very successful and there's a kind of big trend for them. The script was, I know it was three hours plus. I've talked to various people who were sort of connected or at least know some of the st there's a lot of fallout stories from this There was a Madonna boot accamp, yes. She wanted candidates for the role to be able to for the role as her. Yeah Okay And they needed to be able to sing, but you know, okay, debatable, but to be able to do the dancing and be choreographed by her choreographer. But Julia Garner is a big actor, right? She's from She's from Ozark anding and that of stuff. Yeah Yeah. But various people went through this bootcamp. Florence Pgh Oessa Young, Florence P with her a boot. I know Bevy Rexa, Stiferrera, Alexid Demi and Julia Gana Julie Ganner wins. But then in twenty twenty three Madonna's twenty twenty three.. Okay. right. You can imagine. I understand. Then she it's the celebration tour and that was a big big thing. so they sort of shelve it. That would have been the moment, I think. but then it sort of comes resurrected. It is now definitely dead Madonna has given an interview about it in which she said, Oh, we had a falling out me in Universal regarding budget because need I needed I've had an extraordinary life. I've had a huge life, so I needed a big budget. All right, all right guy in a pub. Yeah. So you wouldn't believe some of the things I've done, wouldn't believe them. Yeah. ye. honestly they couldn't Hollywood. They couldn't make it They make it they need CGI to create this She said she wanted to So then she tried to come up with some kind of financial compromise. and she said she was going to move it to Serbia And Universal said to her, Well, we don't even believe you today in Serbia for four days, sorry. And she says Did you read the script? My entire life has been survival. I'm not going there for a holiday, so massive drive by on Serbia there. Yeahone guys. Thank you. But meananwhile, Serbia is going I mean, I Okay, as I say s of We have lots of these relationships in cinema at the moment because there are lots of these biopics. And there are some people who are great,omeone like Bob Dylan who just says do whatever you want. He doesn't regard that you know a compete un known necessarily as him or not as him. it's just do what you want. Yeah he does his music. that's him. The Beatles have been more protective and I know have been more protective over the surviving Beatles over the four Beatles films that are coming out the Samendus ones This is such a tight involvement with the performance. You know, she's writing her own story. She's about her. She's directing it and also she's Madonna and know she She's control free. you know, that's what's made her great. Yeah. I would not say she is a great. She has directed a film before. I've seen she's directed two, I think, but I've only seen one of them WE, which is about Oh yeah, ye What of Simpson.. There's a hilarious line in that where she says there's some newsreel happening and it says, King George III has died. And it's like, Yeahah, I mean, did no one that was in eighteen twenty. I mayaybe you meet somebody else. Anyway, nevermind, never mind. She is a very, very difficult performer to get into that type of relationship with. it's hard the best of times. It probably was slightly hard even with Bob Dylan, even though we think that he's got this philosophical thing In terms of your question, Nathan, is there a point where productions have to happen because of some costs? There are definitely points where productions go ahead and do happen because people sort of slightly feel they've been in for a penny and in for a pad Yeah, su sunk costs if people don't know that that's the money you've already spent. Is it worth spending a bit more money I was say that. You've got to market it, you've got no. And by the way, they hadn't made this film. so You say sunk costs. I mean, I don't know how much Madonna bootcamp cost. It's probably quite expensive, but it's nothing like having to get the cameras rolling And her not feeling it for the first three days. And also maybe they were filming that and they can Yeah, maybe it could be a document. we know she's great in behind the scenes documentaries, so that would probably be a good use of the money. But I have to say that there I don't think there's ever a time in films where you know that we have got to the point recently where there are certain things like there was the Batgard film Ame versus Koyoti al that is going to come at where people just thought it's so expensive to market this thing that we're just going to keep it on the shelf and do nothing with it and use it as a tax rightite off I don't know whether they can tax write off any of this. I don't understand the accounting, but there is always a point at which you can pull out and I would say before Principal Photography Brinkins was quite a good moment to choose for this one. I just think it's too difficult. I just think that there's a level of relationship with a performer that is too tight. And in this case, knowing what we know about her and is honestly the reason why she is brilliant and amazing and still out there. she's phenomenal. I'm not trying to I just don't think that's the right person you're not the right person to tell your own story Yes, it's certainly cheaper to do it now than after four days in Serbia. Just even four minutes. I would say. Q question for you, Richard from Feay Williams, who says I recently took my daughter to see the Tom and Jerry movie. It was the strangest cinematic experience of my life. I did not know that this was made by a Chinese company and I have so many questions. Is Tom and Jerry a big deal in China? Was it a commercial successor? Tom and Derry is a huge deal in China. It used to be shown on state television. We've spoken before about China and the very strict rules they have on what can and can't be shown. and you know they would have looked through Tom and Jerry and seem that there was nothing that could actively harm the party. And so yeah, it used to be on every night on the CC TV, I think, starting at like nineteen ninety one and people Lughter In fact, they loved it so much that the Chinese as is offtten their way culturally, they thought sorry, why be watching this about an American cat an American mouse. So the Chinese made their own version. of Tom and Jerry and their version this is genuinely the title of their version of Tom and Jerry. their version of Tom and Jerry was called this is from the mid nineties onwards It's called the Blue Mouse and the Big faced cat. launched as a rival to Tom and Jerry You know what wasn't really a rival because Tom and Jerry is timeless. Tom and Jerry has endured in China because that hasn't really sort of you know got of cause them any trouble. There's now like a big online game of Tom and Jerry who' got a hundred million users, which always sounds a lot but in the context of China's It's not that many. So it's hually all over Asia. There's Tom and Jerry, Singapore movies, all sorts of things. but the interest the really interesting cartoon character in China is Winnie the Poo. ye. because you know, in the same way that China has absolutely embraced Tom and Jerry and it's a huge deal. Winnie the Poo is completely banned in China. I mean completely banned in China.t you can't get an image of Winnie the Pooh. You certainly can't watch like the Christopher Robin movie or anything like that. You'll be aware of why this is, I think. but if people don't know, it's because In fact when Xi Jinping met Barack Obama, which is twenty thirteen in the states, a meme started going around with Barack Obama is tiger and Xi Jinping as Winnie the Poo. There was a suggestion that They had a similarity of look of build. and G took this very, very badly And therefore, when someone takes something badly, more and more and more and more memes started coming up and lots and lots of satirical things about China, but using Winnie the poo. So things that looked basically harmless. But and the rest of the CCP sort of understood what was going on. winnie the poo Absolutely. You couldn't be more banned in China than Winnie the Poo is. So Tom and Jerry they continue their ascent, but Winnie the Poo is it's essentially just about the most banned thing that's possible to be banned. in China, which is some achievement, I would say. Yeah. Yeahah Oh, this is a question I want to know the answer to as well. Paul Cronen says, I have a question regarding the World Cup coverage on the BBC Usually as the second half starts, they have a QR code for a link to get a TV license. They're not quite about it either, Paul. I'm intrigued to know if you have any data on how many people have used this service During the Wld Cup Okay, this is an answer that I don't even need to have any data on because I'm possessed of sound mind, okay. I would not think that that could be meaningfully charted the level of that sign up because it is as close to zero I would have thought as you could possibly get. I have no idea whose bright idea that one was. but just in terms of the psychology of it, what the second half of the football starting, hang on a second. let me just let me just o, I don't know whose idea this was belieelve it will be That's something that can't be chartered in terms of sign up. Is it though at least airing culturally the idea that more people should pay license for fe is that where there? I mean, no one's using it clearly. I mean, that's not that like a sort of nudge unit thing. Okay, maybe like a nud unit. M Maybe that's it. But no that no one's actually doing it. But yeah, I I thought it's a short sort of one word answer that one, I would have thought. Yeah. Get Ian B able to show the QR code halway through the episode of East Enders makeake it a plotline. He has to sign up for a license. Exactly. And he just he keeps holding and he's got a double sided bit of paper with the QR code on. so while he's looking at it, you are also looking at it as well so you can hold your plotline so that you can actually think, actually I tell you what, I don't mind missing this bit. I'll just yeah that's a possibility. I have some sympathy, I suppose. These are enormous audiences and you know there is this sort of ten percent of the population who watching the BBC and not paying their license fee and that needs to be that gap needs to be bridged, but yes it I don't think this is the way to do it but feels like that gap is not being bridged. It feels like Yeah, quite the opposite. Shall we go to a break, Matt? Yes, shall we This episode is brought to you by the Lloyds five K house Deposit. Lloyds are offering a five K house deposit, which was last seen in nineteen ninety six. What are your entertainment memories of the nineteen nineties? I feel guilty talking about the nineteen nineties because you look back and it was such a golden era. We'd never had it so good and we didn't even realize because we were young and we just thought we were entitled to it. We absolutely took it for granted The pop was absolutely in its pump, Oasis playing to a quarter of a million people. 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Oh yeah, whoo's the triple throw I'm thinking Tom Hiddston would go Oh my God I could take all of those on. When's that show coming out, I need to get back onto that the time detective think. Yes, okay. So I think it probably has to be an actor who could turn their thoughts to politics, right rather than Yeah rather than a politician you know, rather than, you know, well that Andy Berham might go, I actually think I probably could do it. I think But if you look at what I've done to Manchester If you look at it Honestly, if you look what I've done with the buses, I don't think Atardis is that much different. Yeah, Aardis first cat therefore I can run the galaxy. Yeah I think however, politicians would not be and. I think there's got to be actors essentially which actor could play both those parts and would you trust to run the country as well, which is which is get Callum turnurner. Almost no one. Yeah I would say I mean, God bless actors, but yeah it's difficult. Kathy Burke maybe. who I would sort of trust to run the country. I would trust as a doctor who as a bnd door again, you see, it's just very, very difficult to get the triple thad. It is. Ross Kemp. I knew you were going to say him on because he's He sort of is. I could see him as T. sure. I could see him as an older bond posossibly Uh, and you know you can he's he's dipped his toone into politics a number of times. I think he's politically engaged It's a possibility toe dippers, I've sort of sorry like real Yeah. I mean, listen, none of these I'm not suggesting any of these, I'm simplyswering these people would do any of these jobs well. Yeah. I'm just answering a question. Someone who could be in the middle of the Ven diagram.' I've been set a challenge and I'm attempted to meet the challenge. I think the name that we can all agree on probablyably certainly the one where you go Okay. Due to know the advantages of leaving the EU, we are now being allowed to have a prime Mister who iss also Doror Who and James Bond. this was just something that's been brought in. Let'sop making the benefits work for us. think name that would keep the country on an even keel for for the transitional months, which I think would be really, really difficult of having this Prime Minister who is also Bonden who I think the answer as so often Dny Di Don't you think You know, I didn't know where you were going with it. I thought there's nothing that you could say that I won't if find massively offensive. and yet you've flocked it out of the bag. Okay, fine. I'm sold. Yeah you think right. Even as I said it actually, I was thinking tenant es because he's already been who. So we know we can do that. You can do boond. Yes. It was a different boond. Yeah, you know, but I think it would bring a lot to it. And yeah, I guess he'd be Prime Minister. but could they not do a jobshare like when there were two leaders of the Liberal partarty, the two Davids? Could they not each do the job share of all of them? So two guys filling three roles? Oh I'll tell you what, why don't you have three people When you have Andy Berham as prime minis. Whenn't you have Kanam Turner as James Bond, and whenn't you have George Forereaker as doctor whoo? That's actually a much easier idea. Whyn't you have three different people? I think they'll probably go with that in the end Yes. I think notot necessarily those personnel choices but you never know. At least a couple of them. But what if this bring like like a doctor who episode, what if this discussion brings this into actually And that one of the crypto billionaires is like, No, I actually do want that to happen now. I'd love to think that things that we say in this podcast actually manifest themselves in real world outcomes. and I'll try and say something that I want to happen before the end of this show real. Inder that would be. I'd love to know I would genuinely love to know what's right at the front of your brain at the moment as things you'd like to happen I have a question for you. Okay. That was a good one though. That was. Yeah. Yeah. A current question here for you from Rosie Norton. thank you, Rosie. Rosie says, I'm intrigued by social media veting and how it actually work. I noticed the BBC dropped a documentary recently because of other host who I have to confess I haven't heard of, that's actually Caine because of his past social media comments. The BBC said in their statement that the vetting process had failed and that it's the production company's responsibility to carry this out. What does the process actually entail? Is it done by a human or AI? and does everyone get vetted before appearing on TV Yeah, veting is a big thing. just for people who don't know the story, Ashley Caine is a BBC presenter. he did various documentaries. I think they thought that he could reach disenfranchised young men, etcetera. Yeah he's got a sort of a rugged masere vibe about it. And he's got a social media history as it turns out, where he's called women, slags and slags and bitches and various other things. And you often get there haveve been apprentice candidates you know they find that ten years ago they said something, whatever And it was they could produce that and they say, o, it's the production company they've failed. Vetting in general is quite interesting. There are various differentifferent levels of sophistication like anything. notothing's perfect It can obviously be done by AI, but it just depends to be honest, it' quite how much money you want to spend on it. The BBC do have a social media veting process. Everyone gets DBS checked disclosure barring service if there's any reason why you haven't been able to work in certain things or you've you know, whatever it is. and you get your social media, this is the BBC's vetting process and you get your social media checked by sort of third party firm. because obviously these things are business risks. I mean, having to pull a documentary is expensive But we know that even with really expensive things compomanies just don't do it. I mean rememember The star of Emelia Perez, Carla Sfhia Gascone, She had no social media. that no one had seemed to gone over old social media. and that was complete amateururvetting by Netflix's movie side and it completely derailed the Oscar campaign, everything. We talked about it on the show. The secret Lives of Mormon Wives, by the way, the star of that Taylor Frankie Paul or the breakout star of that, was found to have had this kind ofom domestic violence arrest She is the star of a whole season of the Bachelorette, which they shelves, but by the way, I've noticed, have youve seen that? I think they're going to find a way of bringing that back next to us. We always felt like they've got an entire series Disney of the Bachelorette sitting there waiting to wear. They're going to just wait till it's died down and put it out. But as I say, it's very, very expensive. There are different types of tings of psch tests really people produce certain types of reality shows will say, o, I mean the top quarter that you'd really want or fail the psych test. There are different evaluations clearly if it's a show about business, or if it's a show where they might involve hooking up with other people, then you have different things. You can go out as far as you like. You can sometimes they even do family members because just saying, o they it can really put Getasho into sort of trouble. I mean, we hear a lot about it in politics, you know, why didn't reform who have obviously, in all their iterations as Brexit and UKI and everything had problems with candidates, why did they not properly the social media of their Makerfield candidate who was this plumber who said all things like, yeah, I'm a sexist and I don't care and all these, which cost them hugely ye, sorry, but the question is can you be here on Tuesday afternoon? Yeahah, I will say that the guy that we got to be the British ammbassador to the United States of America. failed as veting and still got the job And I can absolutely promise you that given what we knew and what was in the public domain, Peter Mandelon would not have got h as an apprentice candidate. For whatever reason they got but he would have failed that BBC betting and he wouldn't have been on for that show. Although you know, the BBC take a lot of stake for everything because that's the nature of it, but let me tell you that Peter Mandelon would never have been He would not have put cleared the vetting for the apprentice because of the Epstein connection and they would have found it enough of it was in the public domain, and it just wouldn't have happened. However, he probably would be able to get on Celebrity Big Brother Yeah, I think that'd be fine. That'd be a good booking. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a celebrity Mandelson, How much money drin he's got Mandelson? Well, he has some quite interesting ears Yeah. I can put it that way, between the enough Enough to last him I would have thought so, yeah, I don't really know how much further I can go on that. if you're on a celebrity, you'd defitely be making the call Yes, although I think they they no, they just I think they've really pulled out celebrity of politicians But he's not a politician anymore. No, but I think I just think the blowback to them is too great Yeah Yes, so we're going to see lots and more about vetting because the fracturing of the party system as we used to know, it means that there'll be so many different candidates being fielded. and lots and lots of them will fail their veting and lots of them will get through and then we'll discover far too late the things that they have said. But yeah, I would say television is better than most people at doing this. Certainly better than politics A, the beautifully named Honey Clark, Richard has a question for you. After the success of the film proroject Hell Mary, there'd been talk of Andy Weir writing a sequel to the book, and I presume there will be a film sequel too. Have any other authors written a book sequel after a film adaptation has been a hit? and have those sequels been any good? Gosh, the very best example of it I would say and it was going to be made a film, but by the way, Project Hill Mary Ar in one hundred percent. I mean, And Andy Weir sells millions of cop he was sold millions before. this has come out and his other books do as well. So that will be he will write it. there'll be you know, an amazing movie of it as well. It's like Game of Thrones where there comes a point where because sometimes books take longer to write than films that you slly get out of sync and I'll never finished Game of Thrones though and I don't care. But the best one was when a film comes out of a book that wasn't enormously successful in the first place is a really interesting time. So Forest Gum based on a book based on a book by Winston Groom, which was a perfectly you know successful book, but the movie was beyond enormous. It was a huge thing. So Winston Groom immediately thinks, well, I'm going to write a sequel to Fororerest Gump, because I mean, you would, I mean, any author would Teddy if there's an audience out there for something and he created this character who you know who he loved and you know, you've got this interesting kind of dynamic. So you know, mean of course he's going write another book and of course they're going to make a movie of that. So Winston Groom writes Forest Gump two the first The book was out in eighty six and the movie was ' ninety four. so Groom publishes a sequel called Gump and Co. And in Gump and Co in the sequel, Forest invents newew Coke he meets Ayatollla Kamani. Yeah. wow He meets Tom Hanks who was filming big So he meets the guy who played him in the movie although he doesn't know that he is.. I know it's really met. He causes the downfall of the Berlin Wall and he captures Saddam Hussein while deployed in the Gulf War There's a lot going on in that book and well in Gulf War O he captures him. Yeah Okay I knowist It's an alternative timeline. It's for a scump. You know, that's what that's what he does. It is certainly an alternative timeline. Yeah. So Paramount eagerly, of course green lightight a movie adaptation of Gump from co I mean, they will do their own version of it, you know,' my thinking. Eric Roth turns in the script. It turns in the script. and talk about Fororerest Gump You know, he's always there when the big events of history happened. He turns in the script on the tenth of september, two thousand one the day before september eleventh, twenty four hours, before the Twin Towers are attacked Tom Hanks, Zeckis and Roth they collectively agree That's This tragic comedy about a simple man blundering through American history had no meaning anymore is what they said. I mean I have to say that that day it was whilst an awful sort of national tragedy, within the absolutely desperate and cynical entertainment industry was an excuse to say no to so many things. they hadn't quite found the words to say, yeah, this is going to be disaster. we're not doing it.. It was just to everythingverything's changed now Everything changed and unfortunate we can no longer proceed with the project. So we cannot do your reality. It easiest day ye, we can't be doing this anymore, I'm afraid, because reasons. Yeah, because reasons. So yeah, that's a perfect example of it. And you know would have fed into Forest Gump two, I imagine there would have been a Forest Gump three. But yeah, as the writer, you know, of course, if you've got a big hit movie, you arere immediately going to do a sequel. That is us for today. I kind of really recommend Richard's series on The World Cup of US sitcoms, which you can listen to for free on our timeline right now. 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