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So get them in, please. Two The rest is entertainment at goalhanger.com. I've done such a. I love the way we always have to look at Jerry. We've done this so long. It is. He's given us the thumbs up. The rest is entertainment at goalhanger.com. Any question you've ever wanted to ask Tom Hanks, you never ever let us down with those things. So um looking forward to that. But should we get on with our questions now? Please do. Uh Bridget Mayer or Bridget Meyer has a question for you about the roast of Kevin Hart's on Netflix. Why are Americans obsessed with roasts? It seems quite an arcane format, but the Kevin Hart race on Netflix looks like it has been a great success. It has been a success. The roast format is basically comedians taking the piss out of somebody else. In this case also a comedian. But not always. It's funny, we think of them as I don't know whether it's just that our whole British culture is like this. Exactly. So we don't actually feel we're always taking the piss out of everyone and putting them down. So we don't really feel the need to have a dedicated thing. Whereas everyone's building everyone up. But every now and then they like to have a sort of A safe space. A safe space. Where they can say the worst things imagine. They really are. Genuinely shocking. You know, I mean Kevin Hart is sitting there listening to all of his infidelities be listed. People like insults comedy. They they really like it. The reason I like them is because I think I just really like jokes and if people have crafted uh a beaut 'cause you know you don't have long. Lots of people are coming to the microphone and you've got a short space of time. So and it's kind of a c it's a competition. It's like sport but amongst comedians. You can say the worst possible thing here. But but it'd still be funny. You really l look awful if your thing is cruel funny enough. You actually Everyone just thinks oh and if it's it's interesting. There there's sort of a if X then Y that You have to absolutely balance it that if it is incredibly cruel, it has to be incredibly. It has to be w always has to be one degree funnier than it is cruel, and then you get away with it. I agree with you. And there there are lots of So what's nice about it is that there's that sharp writing, there are callbacks, there's it's only one night. I mean it's like a million we live in a kind of reaction gifts thing of we've discovered and people like watching people's reactions to things. Will the target take it? That's the thing. It's a it's a sort of the comedy of awkwardness as well as the comedy of insults. You can see what fans do like and they do like Deadly precision, as you say, not cruelty. It used to be always a Comedy Central thing. Comedy Central used to have this thing entirely sewn up. And actually the biggest rating ones of and the b most memorable kind of cultural moments were Charlie Sheen. That is the number one Mm. Now, that was because he was he he had that extended pub he has had a number of public mouth does, but this was the really extended one. It was totally unpredictable. And it was before audiences actually became fragmented in the way that they are now with streaming. And also as a comic There are four or five different angles you can come at. And it's happening now. It's like a live news story. Um the Justin Bieber one is is a huge kind of is is probably the next down from that. There's a Trump one. And then some are not successful and people it just it feels off for some reason and it never quite Catches fun, there's a James Franco and a Bruce Willis one. But they've now sort of gone to Netflix. They don't happen that often. Yeah. Because it's got it's got a lot of it. The Tom Brady. The Tom Brady is immense. It's far it did far better of than the Kevin Hart one evening. Tom Brady in America is so famous. He's the sort of you know the iconic quarterback. Um America. Exactly. And it's there's something about sports audience they bought that brought in a sports audience, maybe that's something slightly different. It he is huge, as you say. There were really uncomfortable moments in that. I mean there's a bit when he says Don't say that shit again. But that has those elements that as I say that you know, it it is unpredictable. You know that Kevin Hart's not really gonna he's gonna be able to handle it because that's his job. He's had a million worse things shout out at him, maybe less artfully, but he has. In a weird way I found it was quite a it was a bit of a Marle dropper when Tom Brady comes on in the in the Kevin Hart one. Because the Tom Brady one is the more iconic one. But I do think that people do think the world is sanitised. And lots of and perhaps the reason it maybe has kind of a cross cultural appeal, if I can put that in a p kind of politically neutral way, even though I am really talking about politics, is because people think Oh, hang on, anything goes here, this isn't being censored. It's It's not a sanitised. It's very, very unsanitized. But because you are in an American tradition that you know that there are no rules and the gloves are off. Yeah. Culturally they get a they get away with it, which is why I found it really, really interesting. Because there's stuff, there's material there. that you would not see anywhere else. That everyone has agreed. Everyone on stage has agreed that they're gonna do that. Everyone watching signs a contract that is, oh, it's a roast. So we are all in this space where we go, Oh, we can literally say Any joke we want and they really do say any joke they want. I yeah, so I like uh uh I like it and it's all on one it's on one person it's one person, but actually there was a lot there's a lot against other comedians. Those read comedians got took quite a pace. But you know, I do have a a s of weakness for those sorts of things and I think that in the culture when they're s super revered. I always loved Ricky Gervais's opening monologue at the Golden Globes, which were so brutal. And um they and they just didn't really know how to deal and also you never know who's coming for next in that. So just people sitting there having to smile glassily while he's saying You work for the most disgusting companies in the world. You work for Apple, you work for Amazon. So I like all those things. But actually what I really like of those things is the craft is the such few words in a way. And just to kind of make it funny, but also incredibly vicious. I I think they're they're great. But I think it's just in our culture, just we do it all the time, so maybe we would that's exactly it. You know, we're we're used to doing those jokes. I mean these go further. There's definitely I've said before, I'm sure the the readest joke I ever heard on television was um aim at Joan Rivers in her roast. Absolutely extraordinary. But it it is yeah, th the there of course you know, what you can joke about on terrestrial television when you know you've you've got responsibility to to an audience is sort of ring fenced. And this is one of the few occasions where you're outside of that ring fence and everyone agrees. So we just say, look, we're just gonna do it for tonight. Do not watch if you are offended. at all by anything, for sure. But I thought it was a very interesting watch for lots of reasons. A question from David Richard. I've read that Jimmy Fallon is going to be producing a new game show based on the Wordl puzzle game, and due to air on NBC. detail that caught my eye was that it will be filmed in Manchester, England. Do they really film American game shows in the UK? What's the attraction? Yes, they do. We'll get on to what the attraction is. It probably won't shock you. But uh we will get onto that. Yeah, so Worldle they're they're doing over here with Jimmy Fanner, which feels Weird to me because one of the biggest game shows in the world is Lingo. Yeah. Which is sort of a T V version of Wordle, but Whenever we announce any T V show people go, Oh, that's just like that and you go, No We thought of that, I promise you. That's just you know. So I m I imagine it won't be the same as Lingo. Yeah, so they're filming that in Manchester. It it is become a much more common thing recently. There's a c a couple of reasons. You'll do certain shows, like this Golden Elevator show I'm doing, where every territory in the world comes to the same place that happen h happens to be in Belgium just because that's where the you know Because that's the where the set is. As well. So that's often the thing that happens. But more recently Yeah, Americans have started taking the their really high volume series. to the UK. So recently uh I was talking to a a brilliant producer who I've worked with for years and years, um Michelle Woods, who's just done Trivial Pursuit and Scrabble in the UK. They're both American, I mean they're absolutely nothing to do with the UK at all. They're both for American networks. Craig Ferguson did um did uh Scrabble and LeVar Burton did Triple Pursuit. They again filmed that in Manchester and Manchester, England. Manchester, England, yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it. Funnily enough, this always happens. It's it's probably Salford. Yeah. 'Cause that's where the studios are. Oh it will be Salford. Yeah, it'll be Sulford, but they You know I guess they the Americans think that uh they can say Manchester and people would have heard of it. So they'll they'll f they'll film those things in Salford. Um the reason for doing it and by the way, this is not a sort of oh let's find some Americans who live in Cheshire and bring them in. All of the contestants come from America as well. You get the odd one who's from the UK 'cause that's a bit cheaper, but it is cheaper for the Americans to fly over Members of their public every single contestant, every single executive, every single person from the channel, every single m member of a production team, it's cheaper to s to fly them over to the UK, have a UK production team make it. They know that the UK production team will make it. You know, m Michelle and her team they can make these shows. They're brilliant at it. They know it'll be brilliantly made. Uh and they know it'll be cheaper. And it is I mean It's a union thing. I mean it is just an awful lot cheaper to do it over here. It is cheaper to fly every single person over here, film four or five a day in Salford, fly everyone back home and then put it out than it would be to do the whole thing in America. Unbelievable. Uh and it's yeah, it's this is quite this is actually quite quite a recent thing. That that thing of having a production hub like doing total wipeout in Buenos Aires, that's been going for years and years and years and years, and that's when you've got a big set. But the set of scrabble or trivial pursuit or this it is I mean you could literally put anywhere. Just but this idea that, you know, you're gonna shoot a hundred shows and you're gonna go over to Salford to do it because it's just gonna be cheaper for you in production terms and in labour cost to do that. That's a sort of new thing. As always, as a great supporter of the UK entertainment industry. I'm all for it. I suspect if I was a a an American entertainment AP or researcher, I'd be less for it. It's good business for UK production teams and it's good business for American networks as well, and there'll there'll be more and more and more of it. But it is weird. Yeah. It is weird. You know? There it is. That's the international nature of television now. Question for you, Marina, from Jake Magarie. Big fan of the pod. In fact, that's that's all he says. So big fan of the pod. Question mark. Big fan of the pod. Ahead of its May release, the title song for Double O seven First Light by Lana Del Rey has been released. My question is What is the likelihood Lana Del Rey thinks she made the song for a Bumped film? Rather than for a game. Okay. With Lana Dalray, she is she's very, very great and smart. Various people know who know her dummy. She is has got a very fascinating mind. So You can be sure that she knew exactly what she was doing. She has submitted a s A Bond song before and it she wrote a song for Spector. And um they didn't use it as they used that Sam Smith writings on the wall. Which I think is the only bond song that ever went to number one, maybe. Okay. Yeah, I you'd know more than me. And Landa Dalray, she's got that voice, hasn't she? She'd be great. I I have a weakness for the bomb I prefer my bomb themes to be sung by women. There's something about it. I d I don't know I don't know why. It is what it is. Yeah. Um I prefer the born to be a man, I prefer them to It's so weird that you didn't say that to Paul McCartney, but anyway. Well, I mean, that's not one of the great bomb themes and I didn't bring it up. Whoa, sorry, you don't think live and let die is one of the great bomb themes. No, I don't. I I have a m I prefer the ones that are women singing in that kind of Slightly kind of Moody, noirish ethereal. No, I haven't. You don't think you don't think Wow. You don't think Living Let Die is one of the great Bond themes? It's it's a gr it's a very, very good Bond theme, but I prefer if you think I think it's as good as Skyfall, don't be stupid. I like Skyfall. Skyfall is brilliant. Skyfall is everything about the movie is brilliant. Yeah, everything about it. The tone of the movie, the whole sort of Three best born themes are In my opinion. Skyfall, of course, live and let die and nobody does it better. I was gonna say I knew you were gonna say no does it better, you're correct, on Skyfall and Um oh God, what um Don't say like diamonds are forever or something. Don't go over here. No, I'm gonna machine all time. No, that was Rita Coolidge, it's like. Rita Coolidge, all time high, sorry. All time high is great, but it's too up. Okay, l just leave it with me. I'll come back at the end of the episode. No. Love it, but no. Okay. Um anyway, sorry, can we go back to Lana Dalray for just a minute Well no, because I've my mind has slightly been blown by this anti Paul McCartney rant. Right. It's a friend of ours. He's a friend of the pod. It's not an anti Paul McCartney rant. I i I just prefer when women sing them. Okay. For some reason. Understandable. Um It's Jane's Bond, not Jane Bond, love. Okay. You know what I mean? Okay, so th this Lana Dalray one who um I I think this one that she's done for the game is written by David Arnold, who's the original composer of Bond. scored I think not the original. No, no, but he's an original composer. Yeah. And I think he's scor four or five films. And th the really good people are involved with all these games now. It's like extraordinary. Uh what do we know that has happened? They it has been acquired by Amazon fully. They have control. We know they're gonna be building it up into a universe. I would say that doing that song and make and the song is great, by the way, if you listen to the song. It's called First Light as well. And it's um it's really good if you listen to it. But again, this can be a springboard. She's already as a she doesn't really need to get in with them 'cause she's already done things for them. But you can definitely see Lana Daray doing a bond track at some point. And also there will be more bond tracks. As you can see. There's they're going to obviously we're not going to be just seeing one film every however however long. There's going to be many different different parts of this universe. There's going to be series. There'll be T V stuff. There'll be all sorts of things. And You know, that's not to say that they're gonna completely overflog it and over farm it and whatever. I'm not s suggesting that. I know a lot of people worry about that. They haven't done it so far. We'll see. But there will be many more opportunities and I one hundred percent think her vocal is very suited to it. And also you'd imagine the house style would be they would have original songs even for the spin offs because of co and it's one it's part of the whole it's part of the furniture of who they are and what how they do it and all of that. So yes. So the good news is Lana Del Ray knows what she's done and she knows what she's doing. But what oh hang on, what about Gladys Knight? Yeah. What about that? I agree with you, it's all time high. I didn't say all time I. What did I say? I said A spy you love me. Nobody does it better. Nobody does it better. Is an absolute and it's also an absolute classic Carly Simon song. Yeah. Agreed. Uh Skyfall without any question. Agreed. We need a Terrible choice for number three. Are you not just going with something like license secure? Me? Uh no. Are you not just going with Gladys Knight the two time singing license to kill no? I don't think so. I think that Chris Cornell and Morton Harkett would like a word. Okay. If you had to have a man in there. Yeah, it would be that. Oh, hang on, what about I mean Livy Armstrong. Yeah, that wasn't of an official uh that was like an outro. Okay. I mean it's not Durand Duran, let's face it. Okay. That's fair enough. We can agree on some things. Uh yeah, okay. All right. Let's just put it to a vote. What is the bet what is Top three. Top three of our listeners. We will send it out to our members. Okay, members you'll be able to reply to that. We'll we'll email you. And then you can vote on your top three. So that will actually be quite interesting. Yeah, because I've I'm forgetting things. In the moment I'm forgetting some. But also that but there's a lot of work for our listeners to do, 'cause on Tuesday's episode they have to answer the question of have you heard of a a a phenotype? Or have you heard a big break? That's not what the question is. 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Wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back, everybody. Don't pretend we haven't been arguing through the efforts. Welcome back, everybody. Helen Smith has got a question. Save us, Helen. My husband and I love the Great British menu, she says, but we're baffled by judging day. How long does it take to film and how do the judges manage to taste so many dishes in a single day? Eight mains or desserts in one day seems almost impossible. I love that question. Helen, thank you. Because it is there's a there's a lot going on in Great British Menu. By the way, that's very quietly been built into such an important franchise for the BBC. It's incredibly impressive what they've done. So uh I asked Sarah Eglin, who's the executive producer of Great British Menu, Helen I'm just gonna read out what she said verbatim because I love it when producers tell you about How they put their shows together. Sarah, thank you for your question, Helen. She says it takes a whole day to film each episode with four chefs cooking in the morning and four chefs cooking in the afternoon. Tom Carrige actually goes to a nearby gym and has time to do a full work out and shower before returning. Wow. So in the middle of the day. That's his secret to making more space for the calories. Our food is served hot. Which is not always the case on these shows. So once the chefs say the food is ready, it takes under a minute for the food to leave the kitchen and arrive with the judges. One of the challenges for the crew is filming Tom's plate before he finishes eating, as he is an extraordinarily fast eater. No judge has to finish their plate, but most plates return to the pot wash. Empty. We have a separate serving which is used for filming the graphic shot of the dish and the crew take it in turns to eat this afterwards. So that is quite often they'll have a a lovely cut away off the dish and th they'll do a like you know, a lovely shot of that. That that will be done like race across the world when the crew go back to you know, the root and do lovely G Vs and everything. Although one time Andy Oliver accidentally ate the remaining pieces of a beautiful sharing loaf before it had been filmed. Andy. During dessert finals we have cheese and biscuits on standby to help with all the sugar. And this is the one lunch break where the judges might join the crew for lunch. I could do dessert day without I wouldn't need a single bit of non sugar. You've trained yourself. Yeah, I really have. You're a professional. That's the that that I could do. Sarah if you're ever looking for anyone. The main spinal I love this. The main final is not for the faint hearted. Marine is up for that. Uh and here's a friend of yours, is on it. I was momentarily worried we might kill National Treasure Sir Stephen Frears. who judged eight main courses with us. 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I still remember Peter Hook, the uh the bassist from New Order, being a fantastic and hilariously entertaining guest judge during the music themed year for dessert finals some years ago. I mean we just watch that. He explained he'd be able to eat every last crumb of his eight desserts, as sugar was now his acceptable drug of choice. But he was done for speeding on the way back home on the M six, and it might have something to do with all that sugar. That's fantastic, Sarah. Thank you so much for those uh S she sort of answer answered about four different questions there, but but but I loved all of them. Marina, question for you from Tasha. Tasha asks, When two high profile celebrities start dating, do their respective managers or agents team up to agree on how and when they'll go public with their relationship? I'm thinking of Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton. Is InstaOfficial now old hat? Okay, that's interesting. First of all I d I mean those two I don't think he would think about things like that in in quite the same way. She would think absolutely how with a team about almost how everything she does, but that's just perhaps the nature of the of the person. In the old days You know, it would be quite simple. You'd be photographed together. maybe then you people started doing joint magazine features about their their love paid for. The Beckham's had a press conference to announce their engagement. It's really weird watching that take that documentary that was recently on Netflix, which is really good. They just did press conferences for everything and you suddenly thought That actually rather than having a way that they could instantly do something and it looked really good online and all of this, they would sit at a sort of long table with a tablecl on it. And it didn't matter whether you were engaged or Robbie was you know, had left the band or whatever it was, it was done in this one way. In a hall. Yeah, in a whole it's really weird looking back at it, it suddenly seems such a period piece, even though it was kind of recent. So yes, there is a whole vocabulary for all of this, as you know, like the soft launch. Now the soft launch launch of of a relationship. Of a relationship. The soft launch, you know, the sort of bread crumb reveals. So you might see someone's shadow in a picture, or crop photos or uh you know, that been quite obvious and a little bit so that you'll say, Oh my God, but who's been cropped out of this picture of Paul Mascal as an example. There's a whole relationship theatre to Instagram, isn't there? And and the way that people talk about it, you see them using these terms in real life. I remember Taylor Swiss talking about people saying, Oh, how ridiculous that people would think we were hard launching our relationship, but I've thought this vocabulary has just become completely normal now. Again, we talk about this all the time, but it's like the the whole decoding culture, the kind of open source intelligence thing where your life is a curated public narrative. It does increase engagement. So you can see why Kit M Kardashian would really string out the amount of time before she did something formal. So and it also shows just I think how much the platforms have inserted All of our interactions. can treat these moments as branding events and as um fashion editorial moments. I wouldn't be surprised if her and Lewis Hamilton definitely do something together that also works inside a relationship. Like if if you're literally if you're two single people and you start going oh you know, and you've had a date. And then you go, Oh, you know that s uh film you were talking about? Um you know it's on next week do I fancy you're going to see it and you have another date and then you kinda go, Oh, we're we're sort of hanging out. And you kind of think, Oh, maybe we're going out with each other. You know, how how does that physically work, then you go, Well we need to talk to my manager about that. I think they talk all the time about that they don't well they just they spend a long time trying not to be photographed when they don't particularly want to at the start of things for definite because that's just how that's hassle and nobody And if they're both famous they both know. Yes. They both know and then they you know, often they're very successful in keeping completely away. I mean every now but eventually and in the old days people used to tip people off. Yeah. So that they would get the first photos would not be high on the front of OK magazine. We're going out with each other, it would be paparazzi pictures. But every now and then it is a bolt from the blue, like we had to do a whole item on it when it happened because it was so funny. Little in Billy Ray. Every now and then you're like, excuse me, what? Still going as well. Yeah. That was the everything launch, all at once. All the all the launches all at once. But and it's hard to explain to like um Gen Z or Gen A that it this didn't used to happen. And to the as I say, the platforms are so inserted in life that even Brooklyn Beckham, who's constantly talking about wanting privacy and to be away from it, posts incredibly frequent updates and pictures of his relationship all the time. Have you seen that amazing um listen, this the a g again, I'm I'm going off on a tangent, but the brilliant comedian Al Green on um Instagram this week has has launched his character he's called uh Jackson. Uh, and uh he's he's sort of pretending to do his Who Who Am I thing for Vanity Fair. And it's j it's so funny, but it's it's very, very Beckham adjacent. But he's also got an indie rock band called Jackson and the boners. Uh and it's it's really it's very, very much. I'm obsessed with Cruise Beckham and the Breakers. I just want to know who's in the breakers. Yeah. They look like they're Thirty year old guy I'm gonna But I I just any inf information on the breakers I want to know more about the break the breakers. But anyway, so basically just s summarise relationships used to be revealed by the tabloids, now they are serialized by the participants themselves. Basically. So there might be first thing might happen there might be rumours. Then you might have grainy accidental sightings or people in the back of other people's pictures who took them off or who really n didn't control it on purpose. Then there's all the sort of social media bread crumbs. But this is a form of fan engagement. And even if they don't say it out loud, this is about being always Yeah, this is about being always on. If you're a female, you know, pop star and you don't y you don't have to release something, every you're just sort of always there. Things are happening there are plot lines, there's you know, the series is continuing. But you used to be able to see it on Twitter, didn't you, when you'd see couples sort of forming a go, he comments a lot on Oh now she's commenting on here, do you think oh that's nice. Yes. But non celebrities. Yes. But now it's and now it's a it's a much more but when they're both big stars, it ha this is how and then I think you you have the soft launch, then the heart launch, then the joint branding. As I say, I think Leah Hamilton and Kim Kardashian will definitely like you'll see them together for like Monkler or something like that. And they'll do an ad campaign probably at some point, who knows maybe. Or they'll do so or maybe not an ad they won't do an ad campaign, but they'll do something perhaps together. And then, you know, when it all goes wrong The the joy the the silent unfollow. Or the breakup statement. And that's the thing that these are the this is the new theatre of it all. And if you look at someone like the Beavers, Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber, it's almost has all been done via their Instagrams. They are married, they have a child. She's got she had about eight products. When her road's skin colour. They launched with eight products, it became a billion dollar brand. They sometimes do things together. He's had a finally he's had a an i IRL appearance at Coachella and it's gone absolutely massive. But really the entire thing has sort of been sustained off is their relationship working out? Is it not or almost entirely a digital fabrication? A digital soap opera. I assume so. And then he's had this s thing and then i he managed to sell absolutely masses of units of his various products at the time. And that is a kind of quite a sort of classic template now. Wh which, as I say, would have seemed completely nuts a few years ago. Imagine Jane Austen writing a novel about it. I would read that. That'd be amazing. Well it I mean lots of her you know, lot things like letters. I mean it's like epistolary novels. She would decode that stuff in a heartbit. What's dangerously azul is if uh the book, if not if not an epistolary novel about uh People scheming and plotting and you know, trying to influence each other. We that I am follows him. Yeah. That's us done, I think please, please, please, if you have questions for Tom Hanks, do send them into the restless entertainment at goalhanger.com. As you know it's fun when you get your questions asked to uh these p it's it's it's a really lovely thing. So if you if you have anything you've always wanted to ask Tom Hanks. that you haven't heard him be asked before, um, then please do. You always come up with a good so thank you for that. Your wonderful bonus episode with James Kangasorium came out yesterday about Trad Wives. I recommend everyone listen to that. The first episode of that there'll be bonus episodes from here on in, but the first one is free for everyone. I strongly, strongly recommend that. He is mega interesting. Um I'm interested. Yeah, how is that, sitting across from someone that you find interesting? You know, I never don't sit next to someone I've uh obviously I never someone I find interesting. But it was really but you know you're not but this is actually really interesting. It was different because it was it was he was able to poll people on I know you wanted to get some pol polling always done live just my uh earlier this week you wanted to get polling done live in the episode. He would have been able to do that. Yeah. God, he sounds amazing. Wow. Anyway, listen to it. It's really interesting on Tradwives and Trad Wife content. Yeah, listen to that. Uh send in your questions for Tom Hanks. And otherwise we will see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.