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Hello Richard, how are you? I'm not bad. I think this whole episode last week I I said as a joke let's call it Marina Is Wrong about the best bomb theme. But I was. And we we we've had an awful lot of people rushing. Oh really, you've got a mayor cold. Should I tell you someone who wrote in and listen, lots of people wrote in and we really appreciate it, but you'll understand why I'm going to go into this gentleman first. David Arnold wrote in I'm so sorry, David. David's answer is this. He said my favourite Bond song isn't what I think is the best. He starts with that. He said my favorite, as it was the first Bond I saw in the cinema, it's always the way, is You Only Live Twice, written by uh John Barry, sung by the one and only Nancy Sinatra. The best Bond theme though, according to David. Now this is controversial as well, but I cannot mock him in the same way I mock you because he he's the great genius. Uh the best bon theme is on Her Majesty's Secret Service, which is an instrumental. Mm-hmm. And that's David Arnold saying that. You look like you want to um argue, but you can't. No, I don't. I'm ashamed of what my performance last week when I literally had a mind blank as to a l a lot of Bond themes. Okay, we will get to yours as well. Another thing that David says I think is interesting says the white striped song Seven Nation Army was Jack Black's attempt at writing a Bond theme based on on Her Majesty'sret Sec Service. So we I did not know that, David. We have to listen to both of those. No, I didn't know that. So thank you, David. That's uh that's amazing. And of course um Jack Black eventually did write a Bond theme uh for Quantum of Solace, which I would say not as catchy a seven nation army, but uh catchy movie. So what's your what's your mayor culpa? Okay, I had a sort of mind blank forgive me. I I do the one I agree by the way that you only live twice is up there in the midst. I just think there's something about I do love all the I mean, maybe people don't like it so much anymore, but I love all the silhouettes of the women and the and there's something about that that vocal which particularly lends itself to the sort of silhouettes and the you know . Sure, sure. Now now David Arnold said it, yeah. No, I because you we it started because you were dising Live and Let Die. That's where we started. I think it's a brilliant song, but as I say, I just don't love it as a bon I don't I don't love it because I love the song, I think it's great, but it's not to me a sort of quintessential Bond theme because I I prefer the female vocal on a Bond theme. We cannot call two episodes a I think Adele should be at number three with Skyfall, which I absolutely love. I love what Sam Mendes was did that with that film. I absolutely love it all and I think it was kind of modern and a bit at the same sort of thing and the huge amazing thing I managing to do something with something that you know we feel like we already know the conventions of. I might put you only live twice as number one then. Okay, so number two is Goldfinger. Did you do number one before you? Because you already knew I was going to maybe say it. It doesn't matter. I don't know what it is. We've established I'm wrong about all of these things. But Goldfinger, Shirley Basse,y there's something about that goldfinger that I just think is maybe that is and it's almost it's such the sort of quintessential bond theme in some ways. Okay. And then and then suddenly, just seconds after David Arnold says how much he loves you only live twice. By the way, he says it's not the bond it's not the best. No, I know he says that but you're saying it is incorrectly Yeah, those would be my I don't know, I didn't play favourites with any of those three to be perfectly honest, but those are the the the three my three my three favourites. What about you? I don't say this often, but you are absolutely all over the place. Sorry about that. I mean that is quite suddenly. Well listen, it doesn't matter what I think because uh our listeners have been giving uh their opinion. We've been asking them to vote on the best ever bomb theme. So shall we do that? We'll start with I'll do the whole top ten. We've got Tide for ninth, No Time to Die, Billie Eilish, which um you said last week was one of your favourites, and A View to a Kill, Duran Duran. They're both tied ninth. Eighth, we have all the time in the world, uh, Louis Armstrong, not an official Bond theme, but was at the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which in David Arnold's opinion is the very, very best. Seventh, you know my name, Chris Cornell from Casino Royale. No. Okay . Um sixth this is even more controversial, I would say. Uh Goldeneye, Tina Turner Again. No. Fifth Diamonds Are Forever, Shirley Bassey. Fair enough. Bassi, you've got a hell out there. Fourth Goldfinger, Shirley Bassie. And by the way, these top four get a lot more votes than uh than anyone else. Top three. Number three, live and let die. Wings. Just listeners, just so you know, the scorn that I'm seeing from I love the song . I just don't think it's a bon it's like a classic Bond theme. Okay. Number two, Nobody Does It Better, Carly Simon. Mm-hmm. But that's I love that song, but that's not a classic Bond theme. No. Hasn't even got it in the title. But that's okay. It hasn't done it's got the words in it. Spy Hugh Love Mere is in the f is in the lyrics, but it's not number one with a I would say far above number two, Skyfall . How about that? So listen, at least we are brought together a little bit towards the end of this absolute mess. Do you want to know what the worst Bond theme is? Number twenty five out of twenty five? What? Moonraker, Shirley Bassey. So there you go. Moonraker is the is bottom, the man with the golden gun, Thunderbolt, Die Another Day, and Another Way to Die are uh at the bottom there. Die Another Day is dreadful. Now, funnily enough, we didn't actually poll on a majesty's secret service because I think we polled, we have all the time in the world for that. So David Arnold sits outside the list. But um so the best one theme is either Skyfall or Honor Majesty's Secret Service. And now we all have to listen to it and see if that's where uh Seven Nation Army came from. Listeners, thank you so much for that. There was there was a lot of chatter uh about that, so we had to do that poll. But it's it feels like everyone's agreed about Skyfall. And I'm happy 'cause Live and Let Die and nobody d does it better and my favourite two. And they're number two and number three. That sort of was a question, wasn't it? Uh because you you you very much posed a question, which isn't how wrong can I be a wrong can I actually be and it turns out very, very wrong indeed. I was reading all that all off the laptop which I'm going to give to uh producer Oh he almost appeared on camera there, Joey. People wouldn't believe. He's like seven foot six. He dwarfs it, absolutely. He played the mountain on um on Game of Thrones, Joey. Um I have a question for you, Marina. Oh, this is a fun one. Uh Alex Howarth. So people begin to believe that to be true. And if so, what are your favourite examples? Food poisoning, for example, my girlfriend is convinced happens to her weekly, despite my protests, that it's really not that common in real life. Yeah, there is some there. I don't think there is a name for it, although I actually started thinking about this before I came here today, and I realized that I would really quickly get to a hundred examples of this, so I just sort of stopped. But you will all have your own ones of these, okay? So in no particular order, mista ken identity. Okay, this but this is sort something because I suppose goes back to I don't know, Greek drama. But yeah, people tend not to make mistake people for other people. People sort of putting the phone down and then and a misan mis aunderstand ing lingering and you just feel like, No, just call them back or just dial back again. If they didn't just call back again. Something like that. Witnessing a murder by chance generally people don't witness murders and su you know uh in general all forms of that's like saying going to the moon though. Yeah I think they that they make films about murder. They do yes they do. But criminal masterminds with elaborate schemes, really, really elaborate schemes because obviously in real life crime's very sloppy and it's not really you know, it's often financially motivated and you know, impulsive. Amnesia for me is a big one. Okay. That doesn't happen nearly as much as it does in s fiction. There' a lot of medical ones. Being unconscious for a really long time and then waking up and just sort of being fine, like, oh hi, you know, I'm I'm back in the room after you would have a massive brain injury at that point. And it's just like it doesn't work like that. Enemies to lovers. Yeah. I don't think a lot of these things are just done to make stories work. And it's really interesting. It doesn't mean that people don't want to see those things because there's something very satisfying about enemies to lovers and we love the kind of sparring and then when it you know, w when the they get together we really like it, but I just don't think it happens that much in real life, I have to say. But I don't eat yeah. But people re it's very, very fictionally satisfying. So you can see uh uh also conflict makes stories work and maybe that's the satisfaction of it all. But surprise evidence ha happening happening in court. Yes, I hang on just a minute. Yeah, yeah. Any kind of gotcha evidence that happens in court. I mean actually people crying and breaking down and completely contradicting their witness statement because of the stuff. That also, once you're there, you tend to just in my experience and I've you know covered various court cases, people don't tend to kind of get broken down and fall to pieces and then just sort of confess to everything. They kind of stick with what they went with in their witness statement. We all know the cost of characters, flats and houses and all of those someone on that branch. People being able to afford things out of their income bracket is like beyond Oh like the flats and Thursday Murder Club. Yeah. Oh my god. The Thursday Murder Club. I remember thinking that I said to you when you sent me the first picture of them set, I was like, and that's Cooper's Chase, is it then? Wow. Okay. Must remind me an with respect, Spielberg couldn't afford the flats in the It's unbelievable. I remind me to retire to that keeper shape. Quicksand. Quicksand is the number one. Yeah. We used to think about Quicksand I when I was a child I was well and when I was and certainly when I was a teenager, the things uh you know, I was scared of quicksand ghosts and getting toxic shot syndrome. I still nervous about quicksand now if I'm on a un um unfamiliar beach or just in boggy land. Yeah. Oh wait th I mean that could that could be it. I've seen it so many times, you've got to be so careful. But it's fallen out of as a sort of trope of peril. It it's gone because I think it became so ridiculous but it was sort of ridiculous. Yeah, it was so you like it would have been every every every sort of s Saturday tea time show would have Night Rider would have got caught in it, the A team would have got caught in it. But that's very close to what Alex is saying, which is things that genuinely affect your life in some way, which it purely because you've seen them on TV. By the way, I don't think food poison I think perhaps, Alex, perhaps your partner does get food poisoning. I th I think I think it's hard to have something I'm not a doctor and I don't even play one on TV. I don't think we should get into that. But yes, I think it's there's there are so many of these. You'll all be writing in the ones that you see. I I've got a couple. Yeah. Finding a parking space. Like right in front of somewhere. Yes. I mean that's like I mean it literally never happens. You never see somebody going to a multi story car park and like going, Okay, there's n okay, there's nothing on the ground floor. Okay, it's got to the foot. No, it was nothing on the it's just just go all the way up to the reef. Yeah. Because there's all every single floor will be f And turning on the TV just at the time that the um the thing that the film is about is being talked about on the news. Yes. Like you don't have to sit through like sort of you know, three minutes on uh the war in Ukraine before you get and in other news, a local business one was murdered today, uh it always you you switch on and it and it always right there. It's immediately always on demand. The first thing that's talked about. Yes. And written in such a way that would never be on the news. Yes. But I think I mean it's very, very hard to look past quicksand. Yes. Perhaps younger listeners It's completely fallen out of favour as I say. But there are many of those things. And if I honestly I just stopped after a little bit of time because there are so many. But you'll all have your own ones and I'm looking forward to hearing yours. People who have um who who have the volume up on their phone, people who have alerts on their phone. Just just so you know that a a text has come through who's got them who's got their volume. For definite. Yeah. Anyway, yes, uh do write in and we'll we'll we Alex we we will we'll do some more of those um next week as well, I think. Shall we go for a break? And after the break, I think we uh we have questions on strictly and Eurovision. Oh yes, okay, very good. Let's go. Okay. Wow. You really mean it. My God, you love adverts. Yeah, I do. I love 'em . This episode is brought to you by Lloyd. Now I love it when characters are part of a club. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you, Richard? 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It's like a real place of unapologetic sort of star power, star culture, glamour, and it's quite easy to sort of walk around and think, would I be admitted to this club? Well, a lot of the parties happen on boats. Um yeah, some people say have rules I will never go to a party on a boat. I don't like a party on a boat because you can't leave. Yeah. But nonetheless, lots of the big and prestigious parties do happen on a boat. So there is that sense that if you're not part of it you're on the shoreline, kind of not pressing your nose quite up against the window, but that's where you they call it a porthole. But it definitively is uh can. If you are accepted at Cann, suddenly you are in the Hollywood Club, I think that's for sure, isn't it? Something like Pulp Fiction, which won um can m many, many years ago and went on to win Oscars. Parasite would be another good example of a film that was massive at Cannes and Stephen Sodeberg sex lives and video videotapes. He was twenty-six. 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Janet Colthurst asks: given the announcement that Johannes Radabae is going to be some sort of roving reporter on this year's Strictly, I've started wondering whether the show is quietly changing its format and whether a change like this is influenced by audience data. Do streaming platforms know exactly which scenes people skip, rewatch or abandon? If so, are producers starting to shape programs around that data Aaron Powell I'll take the second bit first, which is um do broadcasters have that information? Yes, they do. They they absolutely have sort of minute by minute information about uh when people switch off, when they don't switch off, and certainly the um the Yeah. So it's you know, for example if m Marina is wrong about bonds suddenly everyone switches off because they're just like they're just fuming. People come to listen at that point 'cause they love to hear it. Definitely, you know, if you've got a a a a formatted show um uh you can find out very, very quickly if there's a point at which people go, No, this is not for me or you know, like the music act on uh you know on an entertainment show, that's when people switch off and so always has been, always will be. Doesn't mean you shouldn't have them, but you know, that's definitely when when people switch off and dramas as well, they absolutely know at what point they abandoned it, or w film, they'll know what t time they they abandoned it. And you know they'll but they'll do all that in testing as well, you know, they'll sit with the test audience with you know little dials when they're happy, when they're not happy and so forever and ever TV's been um TV and film have been very good at that. In terms of strictly I don't think that is the case because it's not it doesn't really have a form at as such. If you think about what strictly is, we introduce the judges, we'll we'll do a dance, uh we'll go to test, test will introduce uh the couple, that'll finish and so t T willess ask for opinions. You'll go upstairs and Claudia will be talking to the couple. We then get the votes, rinse and repeat with VTs in between. So that's always been the format of that. So there sort of isn't a point at which if there's a bit of that that you would turn off at, then it's happening ten times in a episode. So you know it's sort of meaningless. I would say that seven million people or something watch it live. Yes. So it that's hard to tell what people are doing in that. Yes, it's yeah, it it it sort of is, but uh enough people are watching it on catch up that uh that you can. So yes, they're gonna have three hosts now. And I think that is not or people don't like this or something, but you cut your cloth according to your presenters. Uh you have the opportunity now to ring the changes a little bit. Because that show is on train tracks. And we've talked before about the fact that it needs to be on train tracks because it's a big live show and you've got a lot to get in. And you know, any time you run over by five seconds on a even a single element of it, then you 're eating into someone else's time. So now that the you know they've got 'cause uh Josh and uh Em Emma Willis hosting, uh which by the way I think is going to be a a great combination, and Johannes backstage, they are obviously building new things into the format now. What they can't cut down on is I don't think they were cut down on number of contestants. They are not going to cut down on the length of dances. No. They are definitely still going to have some V T stuff because you need that. But my guess would be and you can't really cut down on what Tess did because that was that was that was always very, very tight. You're probably not going to cut down on what Claudia did because that's not that's just gone for it. So there's not a lot of fat to cut. I think the VTs is the place that you can do it. I think that you know if, those VTs are a hundred and twenty seconds, there's nothing to say they shouldn't be seventy-five seconds. Uh and give yourself four minutes, five minutes really for Johannes to do three hits backstage. Yeah. Something, you know, maybe of ninety seconds each , something like that. And so Is that what he's gonna do? Is it gonna be backstage or w will he go out to the VT places? It's a very good question. I imagine they'll use him for all sorts of different things and I imagine he'll come out at the I imagine the three of them will be out there out front at the beginning and of course he's gonna do lots of dancing within that and we'll see him in group dances and all of that stuff. So I think that yeah, they will just fight because th there is not a lot of fat on that show. I know it feels like there might be but I don't think there isn't . I don't think that I don't think the judges will agree to having thirty seconds less uh on each thing because why would you 'cause th they have to do their job seriously and they take it seriously. So I would think maybe if you cut down a little bit on VTs, maybe they'll add five minutes, ten minutes to the to the uh to the duration, which which is apt absolutely they can do that that wouldn't be an issue at all. But I think that y it's just adding an extra element which is to see behind the scenes which people like anyway. Yeah. And you get a lot of it on it takes to, you know, you'll see wardrobe and stuff like that. And it's a shame not to see that on strictly because it's part of the clamor of the thing and and Johannes is is a perfect person to do that. So yeah, I think it's probably it's not their responding to what viewers have switched off. I think they are thinking we love this show. What is it that viewers love? What are the most popular bits on it takes to? What are the bits that people r always really, really respond to? Uh and we get Johannes to do that . Although in general, absolutely J,anet , all shows are looking at that data all the time and completely modifying, you know, un strictly s slightly different for the reasons you said, but lots uh uh are always looking at things like that. And it's what's created huge amounts of the dynamics in things like Netflix show, where they say something enormous has to happen at the end of episode four of a draft. You know, there's quite a there's a sort of template now for lots of this stuff, and it's because they know they have so much data on audience behaviour. What I'm fascinated in is if if they do all come out at the beginning, which they will, is that idea of having to write a three hander, which is quite hard. Writing uh Rob Colley has w written on that show for years and years and years. By the way, I'm reliably informed that there's a brilliant joke on have I got news for you this week about a monk jack that was found on the escalator in M S. Uh and the the joke was it's not the first person it's the first time someone's been in uh MS has said, Oh, that's a little deer. Uh and I'm reliably informed uh Rob Cully Rob Collie wrote that joke. But to do a three hander at the top, that's very hard. If you w if you watch Yeah Holmes Under the Hammer now, yeah you know that's uh that's a that's that's a tough intro. But it's gonna be a really fun refresh. And it's different. You know, it can't be the same because then you're gonna be directly compared to Tess and Claudia and that's not fair on anyone. So yeah, if it feels to me you've got three like great presences there. Yeah. Marina, a question for you. Jason Cash. That's a good name. Very good name. That's a really good name. Jason, if I could use that at some point. I was about to say yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Jason Cash. Anyway, Jason, he does have a question. He says who makes the call when a newspaper changes its political allegiances? Would it be the editor or the owner? It's a good question because I think we're going to start seeing more of it. It does really depend and it's different from paper to paper and proprietor to propriet or. But in general, newspapers most newspapers have been quite small C conservative in that they it doesn't happen very often. You kind of know broadly, but we had a two party system. A cha a change in allegiance. Yeah, political Yeah, we so it hasn't happened, but it's definitely one to watch now because we used to have a two party system. The times actually has changed a lot. I don't know, you know, lots of people changed who would never have said vote Labour s suggested voting for Tony Blair. I also, by the way, find the whole business of uh there's I well, I suppose we're talking about one thing. Generally, like which party does this paper kind of covertly support? Yeah. Um which when the comes to a general election did they in that ridiculous fashion tell their readers to vote for? The Times has varied quite a lot over history. The sun, the sun was left wing back in the start, but then became um under Murdoch, you know, huge sort of Thatcherites. They said vote Blair. But um and they backed Labour in 2024. But you know what, they want to reflect their readers when they can feel the vibe or the writing is on the wall. Um the writing's on the wall, by the way, is number 11 in the best bomb themes. The Sam Smith one. A lot of that has come from Murdoch, the proprietor. But also people within those organiz ations pointlessly but also or successfully second guess Murdoch all the time and think what would my boss like all the time and it's always happened. You know, are they gonna go reform in 2020, 29 or whenever the election happens to be, I would have thought that's possibly quite likely, but I don't, you know, I don't think the times will, for instance. So there has there is that sort of disparity. The mail, are they going to go reform? The telegraph? I lots of things are going to change now because you've got lots of different But if you're a political leader, you know we we've seen historically Blair going out to Australia and meeting Murdoch and stuff like that. If you're Farage, who do you target? The owners or the editors or both? Do you just think that none of this matters anymore? And uh uh all matters so much less than it ever did. It would be it's a nice to have, isn't it? I don't think he particularly cares. The FT of d you know, endorsed the Lib Dems, Tories, whatever. I remember the go and in terms of how it's done, by the way, lots of these people just don't want to be left behind. They don't want to if they think that the pack has moved or the herd has moved or whatever it is and that that's the what you know, like you you knew that uh new Labour were gonna win in nineteen ninety seven. Do you want to be the person saying, Oh vote for the tard old Tories? They w there's always a thing where they actually slightly want to reflect what's yeah happened rather than every one need everyone by the nose. Good forget thinking they lead anyone by the nose anymore. It's just that is dead. The Guardian is different. They have an editorial conference to decide who is back. Oh my god, that must be one of the worst mornings of the year . I tend not to be a little bit more I haven't attended it for a while, but they they have a long discussion about it. I mean I think you know, this time lots of people will want green to be endorsed. And there are different ways of everyone doing this. Either it it's so obvious it comes from the proprietor, or there's a sort of tacit agreement anyway that you're getting that some of those papers as I say will back reform because they think that's where their readership's going and they don't want to look off the pace, basically. And they are off the pace as we already know that the media organiz ations have changed so much. So I do think I mean I it was when Jeff Bezos said up, well why do we even have to have a leader saying who we support in this election? Even though I don't sympathize with him on almost anything, I sort of agree with the Washington Post. I mean it's nobody wants that sort of nonsense patrician instruction. They can kind of work out which way you're you which side you're on anyway. And it for me it's always embarrassing. Always, always embarrassing. It tends to be a a top-down thing and occasionally someone like and occasionally the guardian will let everybody decide. But certainly if an editor and an owner were to disagree, then the owner would win that argument. Oh yeah, in our country, yes. Yeah. And in America. Yes. Yeah. Well perhaps n yeah, I know, I don't know. In the old way in the old ways, no, not always in America. Okay. Because I think it might be you know, they remember th they are on such an ego trip about their journalism and how sacred it is , even though it's been so often shown not to be. But um so there is a sort of self regard there that w w thinks it's absolutely sanc tuary that the editor must decide, but yeah, w what what actually happens in the back room is not so uh clear cut. Yeah, Jeff Bezos would uh Bezos will do what he likes, of course, as they now know. Okay, Richard, Callum McKeon would like to say if Coldplay entered the Eurovision Song Contest , would they win it? Or is the UK cursed? What is the butcher's bill for the BBC and is there any public service value? Ha. Uh there's a lot there. And the the bill somewhere around one point three, one point five million. They pay half a million for the sort of the rights to screen it. And also by the way, the rights to get straight through to the final 'cause we're one of the largest um contributors. And when you add in you know the BBC's production bits of it and all the programming around it. It's probably around one point three, one point five. Which massive ratings. Yes, less than it used to. I think it was about five and a half this year, which is which is still far and away bigger than anything else. I always think it starts quite late. Yeah. Eurovision. I mean if there's any way uh you know, if the B if we're allow straedight into the final surely we're allowed to start it an hour earlier. I'm absolutely certain uh that discussion's been had. Um so it is you know, for what it delivers it's not insanely expensive. Is there any public service remit for it? Huh. I mean, in a way, given the sort of programming that BBC does around it and, you know, talk about music bringing people together and things like that, I guess there is an argument for it. Of course I I've always been of the view that uh you know big entertainment that brings families together is one of the jobs of the BBC and and definitively that's what Europe is continents, Richard, and continents. I mean like it brings I mean more incontinents, you know what I mean? So yeah, I I I think it's one of those things that the BBC does very well and it's part of the you know, it's it's like sport, it's like the FA Cup final Eurovision. I mean that's exactly what it is and no one's obsessing about the um ratings for the FA Cup final. Um exciting . There was no programming about it in the m uh in the old days. The front page of BBC Sport website on the morning of the FA Cup final , you had to scroll so far down to find and Chelsea Man City. I mean to find yes, but nonetheless. Okay. Fun for Chelsea fans, fun for Man City fans. You could get up in the morning and you could start watching things. And now it's like, yeah, yeah, so there was nothing for so late till so late. But so yeah, I think that uh you know it's it's almost got like protected status in that way. I mean yeah, we've listened we've come last six times this century, plum last six times this century. Um a number of reasons for it. Of course, you know, we we we have taken it less seriously. The fact that we get th straight through to the final means that we're not terrified about being knocked out in the semi finals. I think we try and win it. Yeah. That's for sure. So would Coldplay win? Now no. No. Unless the song is great, which if it's Coldplay probably would be. Um you know there's there's lots of people with big, big, big social media presences uh in Eurovision this year who did nothing the the German song for example. So I think in the Eurovision style as well. There's something quite specific about specific about it. There is something quite specific about it and you can get very technical about it. And um the brilliant Chris Lockree often produces these incredible statistical field things of of how to write a Eurovision hit when the key change should happen, you know, or w what language should it be in, um all of that stuff. What what time it should be in. I think that there's no real reason for it. So it's uh we we have to get rid of any idea that people hate us or that we can't win because we definitively can win. Yeah, was it was perfect. Yeah. There was something great about it. And but by the way, I couldn't tell you why, because if if you if you asked me to pick a Eurovision song, we would almost certainly come last. And the guy look on no computer is clearly a a a very, very, very smart guy and very entertaining guy, does incredible things. And you know, I I did feel for him. You can see him thinking, oh this really felt like a good idea and I just I'm not absolutely sure that that it was. But you know this idea you go, oh we're always stupid you know, we don't know how to do it with I mean but I mean That's not true. Almost every country always loses. You know, it's very few very few countries you know, if the Bulgarian song had been our song would we have won? Uh we have to say probably yes, because we have the example of Sam Ryder which tells you, which tells you we are absolutely capable of winning the Euro vision Song Contest. If Coldplay entered, would they win? I think the question is would a band that is massive automatically get enough votes that they would win? I d there seems to be zero correlation . I mean we've put in all sorts of bands over the years, haven't we? Blue probably being the um the biggest and uh who did perfectly well. I think they were top ten. But it it's I I think there's zero correlation. It's it's quite a meritocratic thing, the Euro vision Song Contest. Uh and those juries and the and the and and the and the public decide. I mean where I cold play will I want to do it. Actually cold play really, really wouldn't need to do it. But you know, there's there's it's I'd love to see someone like self esteem do a Eurovision song. You know, uh 'cause the someone who absolutely gets why people listen to music and gets how music connects to people and it isn't there 'cause it's a novelty but wants to just write a big old hit that brings people together. Uh but it's I would hate to be in charge of who the British entry is. Oh because yeah. You can't get you can't I mean it's a it i it is still a lottery. It is there's a lot of it that's a lottery and um it's still one of my favourite tether I I've said many times before the single best thing I ever did in my career was giving out the votes at Eurovision of anything I've ever done in in my entire career across all the different media. Just to remind you, we will be talking to Steven Spielberg very soon for one of these QA things. But as always, we want your questions. That's much of the most fun way of doing it. So it's the rest is entertainment at goalhanger.com if you've got a question for Steven Spielberg. Uh for our members, Marina, your um series of bonus episodes talking to James Canagasurium, the one on Timothy Chanamet is out this week and uh opera and ballet, was he right about that? And I know lots of people, because the first one was free, listened to and loved the first one on Tradwives. If you haven't heard it, listen to that. 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