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Unless you've all been living under a rock, you are probably aware that the World Cup is kicking off on Thursday this week. Very exciting. Of course, the event much anticipated it's being held in Canada, Mexic o and the United States, but unfortunately, this has not been the great relaunch of American soft power that America might have expected or hoped for because between the ice presence at the stadium s and a big row between IC and New York Mayor Mandani, lots of different visa issues with one African referee even being barred from entry into the U. S. empty hotel rooms , controversy, of course, around Iran's participation. This has now become an image of how closed off America is and has become, rather than how open and welcoming the World Cup host nation is, so I thought it was worth talking about that today, Anthony. When the World Cup was picked for the United States , I remember that Infantino, the head of FIFA , was going around America saying that this is going to be like one hundred and four Super Bowls and it's going to be this huge economic boost for America . You're going to have what do you say there was going to be the cavalry of tourists coming to America to watch the World Cup matches and of course actually it hasn't quite panned out that way. There was a report out just a couple of weeks ago saying that hotel rooms are down in occupancy, something like eighty percent compared to normal in the h ost cities, that is not what you'd expect, flights to America are down fifteen percent July of this year during the World Cup compared to July of last year. And it's just turned into being if you watch coverage around the world, it is one story after another of how America is shutting its doors to fans, to photographers , to team members , even to this one referee, a Somali referee who was named Africa's referee of the year and was given hours of interrogation, tried to get into the United States and was not allowed to come into the country even though he was meant to be refereeing one of the games. So I think as a kind of exercise in soft power or an exercise in brand rehabilitation, Anthony, I reckon you could do a lot better than America is doing right now during the World Cup Ward you reckon? Well, I mean, you know, they're at zero, so I think a lot of people could do better. But Katie want you to go to if you don't mind before I shive in, go to the Unions and some of the issues that are going on with some of the unions related to Ice right now. So these are concession workers at the stadiums, etc. Yeah, so Ice I mean the whole issue around Ice has been super interesting because there's two different issues. You've got Tom Horman who, repeated this week on Monday that he was going to be having more ICE agents than you've ever seen in New York City around the World Cup , they haven't refuted the idea that they're going to be going into stadiums and picking up workers. Well, who is it that runs the stadiums? Who is it that runs the concession stands? Who is it that cleans the stadiums? It's so many immigrants to the United States are the ones doing that. So you now have the workers' unions threatening to go on strike, particularly out in California where some of the matches are being held during the World Cup if there is an ICE presence. And what's interesting is that the administration has been given the opportunity to say no there won't be ICE looking for people who are in the country illegally. They've been pushed on this in multiple interview s and they have decided that actually their message is going to be, you know what? We are there for national security. But guys, if we happen to come across people who are in the country illegally, this is specifically what they've said. We will be picking them up. This is what Mark Wayne Mullen, the head of DHS has said. So I think that's the backdrop to this . And it's not just a story about the World Cup. This has become a story about whether America is open to migrants, whether America is open to foreigners , and now you have the potential of disruption at some of the matches because of the ICE activity. And Anthony, I was sitting at a dinner the other night with a group of people from around the world follow American politics closely and we were kind of playing this game about what's the most shocking thing that has happened in the course of the last year . And you know what the number one most shocking thing was the killings in Minneapolis around ice. Yeah. So the role of ice in America is being watched carefully by foreigners, but of course also by unions who are actually going to be responsible for making sure this actually goes off. It's the workers at these stadiums who are responsible for making sure this World Cup goes off well, right? I want you to envision Barack Obama is President United States Joe Biden? George W. Bush . Is President United States the dollar is down twelve percent against the euro versus the euro in the last year. Just want to think about the magnitude of that. So you're making the point that America's a cheap place to come on holiday. Exactly. So America is a lot cheaper for tourists , but I would say the July booking numbers are down fourteen percent visa vis twenty twenty five, and we've got the World Cup here. Europeans , specifically, Katy, you're over year down fourteen and a quarter percent . Just think about the magnitude of this stuff. Now, of course , eighty percent of the hotels are saying the same thing , way under Kansas City is the worst, okay? Roughly eighty five percent of the hotels in Kansas City are reporting lower than expected bookings despite the high profile matches in the Kansas City Chief St adium. And so to me, I find this stuff shocking but also telling that there's a protest going on. This is not about it's not about anything other than this is Trump's America. You've made a brut ally hard for us. You didn't give the team from Iran the visas until last Friday . And oh by the way , some of their personnel you rejected their visas flat flat out. They can't even enter the country . Well, they can't even train in Arizona, which is where they were planning to train. They're having to train in Mexico. Yeah, they're going to be in Tijuana. That's crazy. So it's embarrassing for the United States. I mean, it's a terrible thing to say. I'm an American and so I,'m going to say it and then I want you to react to it. Russia got banned from the World Cup as a result of the Ukraine invasion. Why isn't the U. S. getting banned here? They were the aggressor in Iran. Why are they not getting banned here? Because as Mark Carney told us all in Davos, there are multiple different rules in the rules based order and there is a rule for the big countries and a rule for the small countries and America has been tipped. This is the first time ever, interestingly, that a host country has been at war with one of the playing countries. I found that remarkable since the nineteen thirties when the World Cup was launched. It's never actually happened before, which is why you've got this issue around the Iranians. But I don't think America needs to be banned. I think the world is banning America for it. I mean, I think that is the reaction that you're seeing Antony to this World Cup. I think the stadiums will have decent attendance. Friends of mine who are buying tickets last minute are saying you can now pick up tickets for a hundred bucks to some of the smaller games. A Swiss friend of mine is just about to fly up to San Francisco to watch the Katar Match, the Switzerland Katar Match and he got the tickets pretty cheaply. So some of this was FIFA meddling with the prices , but this is also the case that there are not very many foreigners. So you're going to have Americans in the stadiums. I do think you'll have more Americans hope,fully once, the game start traveling to see them . But it shined a bright spotlight between these crazy visa restrictions , this Somali referee. I don't know if you se'enve this video of the Senegalese players that's gone completely viral all over Africa? Yeah of course. So this is video of the Senegalese team. They're on the tarmac, they're being frisked. It's embarrassing. And the video went viral in Africa with the caption, you know, this is how America is treating the African players who are arriving. It actually turned out the Senegalese soccer team put out a statement saying, actually , this was meant to expedite trans fer from Rally to San Antonio where they're playing. It was actually quite a useful screening process. This was not as they were arriving at the San Antonio Stadium . But in a way, it didn't matter because the damage was already because people are that is the perception of America already. The reputation has already done the work. The U. S. doesn't need to humiliate international players. And there are lots of African countries coming, as we know Don,ald Trump called them shit hole countries, right in his first term . It doesn't need to humiliate them because the reputation of America is already done and this stuff spreads like wildfire whether it's accurate or not accurate. Not that he's a Bellwether or anything like that, but Alistair Campbell when I saw him in Hong Kong two weeks ago told me this will be the first World Cup he hasn't attended in three decades worth of World Cups. I think there's something going on Katy that I want to sort of explain to American listeners, you know, I mean I think the European listeners and global listeners have a handle on it, but this is a perfect storm where policy pursued a right leaning political coalition has landed untold unforeseen political costs on people that really didn't have a seat at the table. Okay, these are union workers , Bellhops, Barmen, concession stand workers . Hotel workers . Hotel workers. This says local restaurants , the sort of ecosystem that would support a Super Bowl or a World Cup , okay, has been hit by these policy restrictions and been hit by the xenophobia. And so to me, it's reckless to them because again, we want to be objective here on this podcast. To them, it's principled. They're like, hey, yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. And we're going to have ICE agents everywhere and we'll arrest you if we think you're doing something illegal, but it just puts this chilling effect on everybody . And you know the president, at least in the House, hasn't cleared the Senate yet, got seventy billion dollars for his new secret police program, whatever that is, in terms of the fortification of ICE and the fortification of these different para police forces that the president wants to enforce the immigration laws but also to hand check people in these cities. And again, it's mostly blue states, mostly blue cities . And the great irony there is that these blue state, blue cities have pretty low crime rates. The red states have per capita more crime than some of those blue state cities. That's the big irony of the whole thing. So to me, I' Im' justm going just going to say if you're coming, there's a very large part of the Americans that welcome you. We certainly want you in our hometown in New York . But if you're not coming, it's also understandable. But I hope somebody brings it up and has some type of reckoning with the administration over what they've wrought. Okay, so talking of New York and I want to talk about the Nix in just a second because that was another not great sporting moment for President Trump, but you know who has made this a blinder of a World Cup for himself and has done a masterful job on rolling out the welcome mat and that's Zoran Mamdani. I don't know if you've been watching some of his stuff, Anthony, I think I sent you some of the videos that he's done. Telegenic. Super telegenic, great communicator. And he's done this welcome video. It's worth watching that he's put out on X where he is all around the city explaining how New York City works to visitors, telling every body they're welcome to the city, explaining the subway system and the buses. He's also managed to get FIFA to drop the prices of a lottery with fifty dollars tickets for a thousand New Yorkers every day trying to make it more accessible to New Yorkers to get around some of these high prices. But in a way, what he's done that is so masterful is he's juxtaposed Trump making America look closed and frankly unawican with himself as a politician rolling out the welcome mat and saying to the rest of the world actually this is America. He got into this great exchange with Tom Homan because Tom Homan did this thing on Monday saying that he was going to flood the zone in New York City with Ice Agents and Mandani shoots back a tweet the next day they've got really into it this week in the run up to the open of the World Cup and he says, Listen, the soccer world would not exist without immigrants. Six of the U. S. men's national team are immigrants. And he makes the point that the coaches and the stadiums are all run by immigrants, exactly what we've been talking about . But he's found a way to make Trump not look just wrong on this, but to look like he's not what America should be on the global stage. And here is Mandani citing the U N U. S. men's national team as a way to say, okay, this is actually what America is. America is a country of immigrants. And I think that it's not just good politics. I think it's a template for how Democrat s need to start responding to what's going on in the country around ICE. Well listen, I think the number one thing that he's doing, which I think is brilliant is yes, all the media stuff is brilliant and he's very teleg enic, he's got a great smile. He has the best smile in American politics since Barack Obama. Since Barack Obama, I was going to say that. Multibillion dollar smile, Barack Obama carried him and many other of his assets carried him into the presidency . But he's got all of that. But I'm going to tell you something he's doing that I think is genius because I'm a New Yorker. He's running the city and he's running the city as a moderate. And I want to contrast that to Donald Trump because Donald Trump actually is a lunatic and he talked like a lunatic during the campaign. He reversed some of his policies, like he's now running forever wars and he's not going to disclose the Epstein files, but all of the right wing rhetoric and all of the atavistic xenophobia Donald Trump has executed on Donald Trump has pursued. And so this is the cont rast. If Trump had talked like a nut but just ran the things like a moderate, he'd actually be reasonably popular. Mandani gets the joke . Yes, I have a coalition of democratic socialists, but you know what? I got to run the city. He's made one major mistake , okay? And that was the mistake and I'm not going to mention the name because I don't want to put the guy harm's way but the billionaire whose house he went in front of and he said, Hey, you know, blah blah that was a mistake. I'm going to give you these numbers, okay? So he starts out two months in, he's at forty nine percent versus thirty one. That's like That's like Mayor de Blasio . But today , in the two most populated congressional districts, New York seven, which is Bushwick, Williamsburg, Long Island City , he's polling seventy seven percent approval rating . Okay, in New York twelve , which is where all the rich people are. Okay, that's that's midtown, upper east side and upper west side , sixty six percent approv al rating. At the moment in the type of politics we live in, nobody's getting that. This guy is one of the most popular politicians. I'm just saying for his delegation of people that have to vote for him 's. got He very high approval rates. People should look at what he's doing and study it. Well, yeah, the Democrats need to start looking at what he's doing. Anyway, I think this World Cup is going to be defined by those two videos. It's on the one hand you got Mandani's welcome video and on the other hand you've got the Senegalese players on the tarmac being frisked. And that second one may not tell the entire story, but you put those together and one is Trump's America and one is Mamdani's Americ a and that is what the world is looking at. Okay, you were talking of sporting events here at the New York Knicks on Monday night. I'm sorry for your loss. Mamdani was there too in the cheap seat stand,ing room only , by the way, another good look for him. Let me give news for people may or may I wasn't in the front row, wasn't in celebrity row, but I'm bougie , Nouveau Riche, New Yorker . I was eight rows back behind the net, okay, close to the Spurs bench. You know, and I brought I brought Nick and James, my twelve and eight year old and we'll put some pictures up of the of the event. A couple things there. I think number one thecret Se Service and the TSA did an amazing job of getting those lines cleared and people into that arena on time . And there was protective bulletpoot glass in front of the president's suite. And so whether he should have been there or not, Stephen A. Smith, a famous sportscaster here for ESPN thinks he shouldn't have been there, thinks that he's the reason why the Knicks lost, but I will just say that the people , the New York City's finest, that's what we call our police force and the people around New York did a phenomenal job of making everybody safe. But what I will say is Trump looked very tired . He fell asleep. And I imagine it was pretty noisy in there, right? How easy would it have been for have a quick nap? Yeah, so I'm going to say it would be not consistent with consistent with the way the left is reporting it, okay when they flashed him on the screen during the national anthem , I would say it was a sixty five, thirty five mix of booze and cheers . It was very consistent to my ear of what's going on in the country. Two thirds, one third, and by the way, self selecting there's a very wealthy crowd in there because they paid a pretty penny to go to the game, but it was two thirds booing and one third, and you could see the expression on his face and his one of the things I didn't like isn't like his granddaughter witnessing that type of booing she looked unnerved by it. He knew he was going to get some of that. He knew that when he went , he would get some of that. I mean, not that he's not a Nix fan, he is, he always has been Mayor has it figured out . He's young , he's bold, he's charismatic, but he's governing . And for all of the rich New Yorkers that don't like em, take a chill you may have an opportunity to bring the city together with this kid. Yeah, well he is dominating this world cup at the moment in terms of politicians handling this well and if you want to know who the mayor of New York thinks is actually going to win the World Cup, watch the Guardian's bracket video. It's super fun. It's nine minutes. I was surprised anyway . And I'm hoping he's right. Okay, let's take a break and we'll come back and talk about California . Hi, this is Garalinica from Goldhangers. The rest is football. This episode is brought to you by wise. It's only when you start moving money between currencies that you really think about the exchange rate , the fee and what might be hidden away in the small print. Whether you're living abroad, paying someone overseas or just trying to manage your money across borders, you want a fair exchange rate and easy transfer and no surprises along the way. Wise keeps things simple. Wise is a smart way to move the currencies you need around the globe. 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He had gone kind of viral with these AI videos Spencer Pratt anyway, he lost the race and ever since he lost the race, Donald Trump has just piled in to California, which has this weird voting system where people can vote by mail, the votes get counted so long as they arrived with a stamp postal stamp on them on election day. It takes a long time to count all of the votes. They're super assiduous about look checking all of the signatures . So it takes a long time. It took six days. You didn't have a result for it. And at that time, Donald Trump piles in and says the California election must have been rigged because Spencer Pratt, my guy, was ahead, Antony on election day, and then he lost the primary. So what's happening in California? Why did it take so long ? And is that the problem? Because when you have a vacuum, it seems to me that's where mischief can be made, right? Yeah, listen, I mean , the problem is it's a compelling story that Trump is telling. It's not a true story , but this is the problem with Donald Trump. He is maligning the integrity of our elections. And so what Katie just said, I want to overemphasize our signature verif ying single mail in ballot . And if you look at the statistical anomalies, there are very few I either would be turnover over a hundred percent or there would be totally miskewed districts. And he tried to say that. He said, Oh, there's a forty three percent of the vote came in for the Democrat and zero came in for the Republican, which is impossible. It's not even a true statement that he said , but he's trying to rile people up and he's trying to malign the electoral integrity of the system . And I will say this though, Katy, people do believe him, and that's the thing that worries me the most. Yes. I don't believe him. You don't believe him. Normal people that are looking at it, that understand process wouldn't believe them. Even the homeland security people that are permanent governmental officials do not believe him , but guess what , as he said to Leslie Saw, if I say a lie over and over and over again , I can get enough people to believe the lie. You know, Billy Bush tells a great story about Trump saying that I'm number one in the Apprentice. And Billy says, Well, I haven't been number one in five years. I'm number one, I'm number one . And then when the show's off , he says, you know, Billy, if I say it enough, you know, there's a lot of people that believe that I'm number one. Do you remember when we did our series on Trump from the nineteen eighties? Of course , that was the message he learnt from Roy Cohen. You say a lie enough, people will actually end up believing it. Okay, talk about Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, your favorite politician at the moment, with a very, very strong spine of steel, that Mike Johnson I'm talking about , because Mike Johnson seems to have decided that it's his role tout this idea . What did he say? He said, I'm not saying it's rigged, I'm saying it stinks to high heaven and everybody knows that. Then he's pressed about the evidence. What's your evidence, Mr Speaker, that the California election is rigged? And here's his answer, Antony. Tell me if you feel satisfied . Some of these efforts are so diabolical and so far upstream that it's impossible to prove , but I think everybody knows instinctively something is wrong here . Does knowing something instinctively constitute evidence of election fraud to you? No, but remember what Mike Johnson is doing is Mike Johnson gets criticized that he's not Trumpy enough. And you remember there was a hit or a potential revolution on Mike Johnson before Trump even reascended to the presidency that the president himself had to put down and he had to render some support to Mike Johnson. So every once in a while the Maga people , I see Mike Johnson. You remember that rocky thing with the when you hit the bag you know, and you're home and it kind of keeps bouncing back at him. Yeah, yeah, that's Mike Johnson's face with these Maga people . So they keep hitting him and it's like shit, I got to get out there and say something right now. Remember, he did get caught on a hot mic, as we pointed out the last episode. I think we pointed it out on the medical episode that Trump is bad shit crazy. He got caught on the hot mic. He had to walk it back. And so this is him trying to get back in the flow of Pro Maga, the best line, though, Katy. The best line you ready? Gone. Impossible to prove. Impossible to prove. That is the best line. Yeah, okay. So listen, it is fraud , but you know what, Katy, it's so diabolical and it's so sinister . It's impossible to prove . Okay, and that goes into Donald Trum p's ear like a corkscrew . You know, it's like those ringworms that he's allowing now on our meat products from the FBA who's just going inside his ear and eating his brain with this sort of propaganda nonsense, but I'll tell you, it's very bad for the country. Mike Johnson is implanting screw worms into Donald Trump's brain is what you're suggesting. The Republicans have got to figure out a better str ategy in California. The strategy that they have right now is not going to work in that state. By the way , Bruce Blakeman, the Republican that's running against Kathy Holcole , is running the same MAGA play book. Guys, these are blue states . You're a Republican. The last Republican to run New York was Governor Prataki. That's twenty years ago. He left office in two thousand six guys wake up . This strategy that they're deploying is Maga, Maga, Maga, and can you give me some more Maga is not going to work in those areas . And you talk about this,y Gadd, you've talked about like the Swiss Army knife approach. Yeah, you pull out the right blade for the right district in the right state. You don't try and take a sledgehammer in a state that needs like a screwdriver . It doesn't work for you. I mean, look, you talked about Spamberger's race in Virginia being a very different race than Mondani. Yeah, you know, and look at what's going on with Platiner. That's like another whole other thing, but the Republicans have decided we can't deviate from Trump. We're going to get ourselves in trouble. So let's triple down on MAGA. And Spencer Pratt, by the way, is running a full MAGA campaign to try and become mayor of Los Angeles in a city that is only seventeen percent Republican. That's why Spencer Pratt lost the mayoral primary. It wasn't because there was something nefarious going on. He's the wrong candidate in the wrong city. They can't run like that. I think you're right. Mike Johnson is just there trying to get the screw worm of acceptability into Donald Trump and Magaze ear. But I think there is a difference, Antony , between Trump won and Trump two. Trump won you've got an attorney general in Bill Barr who is prepared to say that the idea that the twenty twenty election was stolen is quote bullshit. This time around, who do we have? We've got Cash Patel, we've got Todd Blanche, we've got Bill Pulsey just about to go and run the Department of National Intelligence. And they are all election deniers . So Trump has really fed election deniers into the system. These are all the people who are going to be charged with securing the midterm elections in November. And I think we're setting up a very different group of people with a very different set of ideologies compared to what you had in the first Trump administration. And that's why people are worried about what Trump is doing now and the kinds of things that he's saying. When he says it's not possible for Spencer Pratt have lost LA, that America's like a third world country with rigged elections and that there's big cheating going on. He did this in the first, he did this in twenty twenty , he lays the groundwork for people to believe that there is some kind of fraud. And I actually think it's not just that the Republicans have got to get their act together in California and run the right candidates in California in particular. They have to do something about how long it takes to count the votes. They've got to change this system, Antony, because when there's a vacuum in a world of social media, guess what? Conspiracy theorists dive into that lovely warm water and they swim around and they metastasize and then you get rigged election claims. Well, I think it's very well said they should do that. They likely won't do that. I want to take you to the Tarmac after the nick game where Trump was accosted by the journalists and I knew we were going back to the nick game. We were going back to the next game. I said, hey, you know, Steven A Smith says that they lost because of you and Trump said, what did he say? Steven A. Smith has l ow IQ . He can't be president. And then they turned to Lee Zelden, who's the EPA guy. He did run for governor unsuccessfully a few years back. He's the EPA administrator. And Lee Zeldin was talking and I am going to show you okay because we have props here. Watch me. This is Trump. Okay. And if you're listening , I'm moving and I'm bending and I'm moving. And Trump was like , dude, five words out of your mouth is five too many . I want that microphone back in my face. And Trump was moving back and forth like this . And finally he cut Zeldan off and he got himself back into the mix with the reporter . Okay, I was just loving the body language between these guys, okay? And Zelda looked very stressed in and he was trying to get some words in with the press. Yeah . Do not get between Donald Trum p and a microphone. He was not having it. It's a very dangerous place to be. Okay guys, we're gonna leave it there. We will be back next week, of course, with more news. And if you would like to hear the second part of our series on Donald Trump's health talking of the president falling asleep