Optimism and Renewing American Democracy

Welcome to the Restess Politics US with me Anthony Scaramucci. Katy is away. She's enjoying the fourourth of July up in Maine with her children. But I've got the friend of friends, Cara Swisher. She's coming in live, coming in hot to substitute. And of course, Kara is the host of podcast on and Pivot. She's also an incredible journalist and Cara, we become very good friends. You used to troll me when I was in the White House. you and I. H bonded? Yes. That's ' you've changed for the better. Okay, well I appreciate you saying that. I don't really necessarily think I changed as much as I got my ass kicked and you're right. I've changed. Wh's kiding? Wh's way. You're like Scott. You're like Scott. It's like from Wicked, you know. we changed each other. How about that? You've changed me for the better All right, so we're going to talk about Trump's crypto billions. what happened there? I've heard you talk about it. I'd like to get your commentary And then after the break, we're talk about birthrights citizenship And a what I would say is a loss for conservatives or at least the Trump is in the Republican Party. notot necessarily the conservatives because I think it's an originalist idea when you read the decision. but let's go to Trump for a second. I mean the Remarkable thing for me when I looked at the situation And I'm just going to give you these numbers. nine hundred and twenty seven pages car President Barack Obama eleven ice President Joe Biden seven pages of disclosure, nine hundred and twenty seven pages. So What it What does it speak to you about what we're allowing for? is obviously gross violations. You could ask any law professor, any lawyer Gross violations of the Stock Act God onlyly knows he's going to pay any taxes by the way on any of that because he has tax immunity now What is it what does it say to you I'm surprised he didn't steal more. You know what I mean? The enormous amount of grift here. and we don't see all of it because there's all these side deals with his sons when they go to other countries before Trump gets there I don't think we've even plumb the depth of this. This is the very best it could be, right? I think probably it's much more. I think it's just one massive, you know, is it a mobster? Is it a con man? Is it just basic grift and corruption. What's really interesting is they spent so much time accusing Joe Biden's son of very minor corruption. and I believe that was corruption for sure. It's throughout Washington. There's always a son or a daughter that way back to Billy Beer and you know, it goes back and back and back for for centuries, essentially, in our country, at least But this is like this is sort of institutionalized Grift in a way that we haven't seen. And I think when this family came back for the second time, they realized they didn't steal enough the first time. And then they came back for two reasons to stay out of prison and to take advantage of the, you know the greatest platform in history to do Grift and they do it in plain sight, which is really kind of amazing. Although I suspect there's all manner of stuff happening under the covers also at the same time. Yeah. Well we agree on that. I'm sure that the goal is twenty five billion. They've told that the people. in my opinion, Karn this is my opinion. I think he's probably hiding even more money in some of these offshore accounts. I'm sure he's got a funnel system that he's taking advantage of. But I want to talk about the American reaction to this. Trump has said something really resonates with me. when he's when he's when when they put the microphone in front of him, he says, well Everybody's making money He's used the word, well, this is just peanuts compared to some of the multi tech billionaires and so forth And then the last thing he says And this is the thing I really want you to respond to, Karea Nobody cares. Yeah. Nobody cares I don't believe that to be true, but I see his point. L nobody among his ilk cares. That's the group. I think average citizens feel like they've been screwed, you know, and we're paying the bill for whatever it happens to be, whether he's building a golf course and for taxpayer money or the Kennedy Center or the East Wing. I think deep in the heart of most Americans, there is a sense of fairness in terms of like I don't think people all want to be grifters, right? Like I want to get mine, like that kind there is that element of the United States like let me get Well the getet's good kind of thing. But on the basic level, I think most people see this for what it is, it's a pututinesque grab for money and power and influence. And everyone assumes Trump is a grifter, right? Like I don't think it's a new fresh idea on him. He feels like that for a lot of people. You know, I always used to say he was a poor person's idea of a rich person, right? this idea of smart deal making with that isn't absolutely not true But I do think people there's a basic feeling of lack of fairness here, especially two things, the kids, right? All the various kids and the hangers on, like the Witcoffs and the Lutniickks And then also when the tech billionaires are doing it, right? that feels, I think people are very much reacting. and you see that in the, you know, in the polling figures is that these guys put in twenty five million into the machine and they get back twenty five billion essentially. So I think there is reaction,'s just not necessarily around him because I people think this of him, you know, it' I don't know. I just feel like they they already it's kindort of calculated into his his imagery. Well, I think you and I grew up pretty similarly in terms of our economic classes. I just want you to respond to a couple of things. This is somethinguff that really worries me We're telling the middle class in this country or the working class that there are two rulebooks Okay, so if you're a nurse and you have a four hundred one K and you got to make an early withdrawal, the bank is going to charge a fifty dollars fee for that early withdrawal. A teacher who misreports income to the IRS, a teacher. She's going to get audited The president can have twenty one thousand trades If he's late on his filing, he's going to pay a two hundred dollars fine. No, this is the stock act. fine if you don't file properly What is it what does it say about the co This is now we're now in the differential of enforcement. You use Putin, That's sort of what goes on in Russia What does it say to people? I mean to me, yes, I'm sure Richard Nixon was corupt. I'm sure we can Talk about people, you and I grew up in the seventies and the eighties. I'm not saying there wasn't corruption. but we thought there was some level of merit based fairness. What is the message culturally that people are hearing from all this. Well, it's cynicism. It's like, hey, everyone's on the. take right? Every government officials on the take. It's sort of he's trying to sort of sully everybody. like, hey, it was sort of similar when he said, hey, we're brutal too, right? The United States is brutal too. so why are we mad about Saudi Arabia? And that's not really the message you want to give to kids, It's not the message you want to give to the average person, which is like Hey, they're fucking everyone. whyy don't we fuck people too? L we do it too. And I do think, again, at the heart of America, there's sort of a twin America. This has been around the Gilded Age, you know, people taking advantage of the monopolization. I was just looking oddly enough, Thomas Nast cartoons. he attacked you know the oligopolies and the monopolies and they used to use octopus. if you remember, used to always do all those cartoons I do think at the heart of America, this lack of fairness is an anathema And it goes through cycles, it goes through these weird cycles, and he's just doing it so explicitly that it becomes manifest, if that makes sense. And I have said and I get a lot of pushback for this, that I doubt he will pay a price for this. I he'll just die, right? on a pile of money and inflammation, essentially. But I do think the kids And the hangers on and the tech billionaires will be paying a price at some point. I don't know if he will. I honestly don't. I don't think there's any getting this guy largely because of the actuarial tape Re he's pretty old, right? Ultimately, it's just not going to catch up to him unfortunately. It did with Egene Carroll this week, which he's trying desperately to get out of, but eventually he lost He lost a few cases. He lost a few cases this week. He won a few cases. He's able to fire people indiscriminately. just couldn't fire Lisa Cook I'm going to make a statement. I want you to say, is it true or false and react to the statement? Okay? I feel that Americans don't resent wealth I think we still live in an aspirational society where people are like, okay, God bless, you made your money. That's fine I do think they resent two sets of rules Am I wrong in thinking that or are they apathetic to the two sets of rules? No, I think they aren't. I think what happens is you get apathetic if you think everyone's on the take. like all the rich people are getting theirs and I don't get any. twoo things it creates. O it could create apathy where everyone's like, o, This is the way This is the world I live in. Mbe I should try to get some for me, or it creates anger. And you do see it, whether it's , Mrter Wonderful in the data centers. He's trying to blame everyone else. They just don't like him. Like that's it. Like see you see expressions of it in the data centers. You see expressions of it in all over the place. The Data centers is a whole different group of people than the representative who sued the Kennedy Center. like, no, we're not going to do this, or it expresses itself in different ways. Sometimes it can express itself violently, right? That the rich people get everything. And that's my fear is that it creates this sort of slow burning anger underneath the ground with people. And you will see, you know, as I think I told you this and I talk about it is when I was talking about income inequality. And I think that's where it really like it's okay if everyone's moving upward, but it's not okay when just a certain group is Right. And so when you're when you're you can't keep up with inflation or you can't afford gas. It starts to build this anger. and one of the things like many years ago, I was you know the income inequality is really rather vast at this point. It's at some critical alarm five alarm fire level. And I said to this one person that you know you can either deal with income inequality and bring people up or you're going to armorplate your Tesla and I began to realize this person kind of wanted to armorplate their to. And then of course, the cybertruck came out, which is a perfect sort of personification of that or a visualization of that. I do think there could be anger, right? It has popped up in this country many times,, of this inequity. and then it tends to equalize itself, right? It tends to equalize. But the fact that we haven't raised the minimum wage nationally, the fact that people can't buy the housing numbers are going down, and that means birth numbers go down. That's why we have a birth problem. We have a housing problem That's why you know, everyone's like homelesses. what do we do about it? I'm like homes. You know, it's very easy. And so people feel they can't afford or that there's no future. They get very dystopian and violent, absolutely violent. and it should be not a surprise when that happened. You know, we're in complete agreement. and I made made some comments about this last week and I had this very smug billionaire And I love these billionaires because there's a few of these billionaires on Twitter I'm not going to mention the guy's name because I don't want to out him or shame him, but this is a very smug billionaire So It was deriding me rememember, if you're a billionaire, you're an expert on everything. Everything. So you neurology, you're an expert on vaccinine culture, everything, you know, smarter than you in every facet of life. And he basically said to me that that I was suggesting that confiscation through taxation was a market based strategy, which of course I wasn't. But then he says to me in his tweet back to my commentary about income inequality that I have no balls and that I'm calling for expropriation and mythical bullshit. So so this is the tone deafness that is out there. I responded to the guy. I said I said, Hey man, I got you down as a smug not worried about it, but of all your traits, it is the arrogance that will leave you the most bitter and alone So again, I'm just talking about a fair deal for people giving people some education in a very rich country is some health care some health care, full health care. Full health care. Yeah, exactly. Well you know what I mean? to get them into the starting block Ca. You know, I mean, that that's all people want, you know? Right, But why do we even have to ask? L that's the whole thing. It' to me, you know, it was really interesting today because Mamani was talking about just lowering your air conditioning. Right. Very normal thing for a politician to do And immediately, both Ted Cruz and Nickki Haley, who literally hasn't met a thing she can't suck up to, both of them, said, ah, communism. And literally two seconds later, everyone found their own tweets or announcements of we're having an energy crisis, lower your thing And I was like How first of all, what is wrong with you? You have to take everything someone does and attack them. That's one on a normal request by a politician. and two How small do you have to be not to have everything and not want to give Like I've been thinking about this a lot, Anthony a lot lately is that they're so hateful towards everyone else. There's so like like I was watching this exchange withing Nicholas Christopf and Elon about the cuts of USAID, which have led to Dath period. There's no question. And of course, he always does this trick. He goes, nameame one person who died, right? And of course, Nicholas Christopv, who is an amazing reporter, named twenty, and said there's millions more behind that And of course, his response wasn't, oh Okay, he got what he asked for. instead he goes, Nicholas Christoph is evil like that's their argument. That's They don't want to acknowledge like the hatefulness towards other humans. The callous indifference is going to get them in trouble. You know, one hundred percent. I will say this to you though. The holy grail of American consumerism, and this is sort of like the Holy Trinity is ice cubes, which I don't understand you guys in the UK, what's up with you guys? You give me you give me one ice cube give you They give you one ice cube guys when I'm asking for ice in the restaurant, I want like a bucket of ice. Okay. Number two, shower pressure. I mean, drip, drip, guys. what's going on? We are together with Trump on that one. We like it we like show. I am. I want to be hosed down like I'm an elephant in the circus. And then the third the third thing is air conditioning. Okay. guysys. I hear Mondani and he's absolutely right But you know what? I do like it at sixty four degrees. I'm sorry. I know, but it's not an issue of communism. He's trying to manage the electrical grid that everyone doesn't lose it. I think he's doing actually and I wasn't a supporter, but I actually think he's doing a good job and I think he needs to be Cented for it. And by the way, when I say that on this podcast, I get sixty plus year old Mly Italians like you and me lighting me up Telling me that I'm loving communism and so forth Results matter. Results are what matters, right? Utimately I'm just trying to be objective. Even those people will be like, o, I guess it's just fine. L you go toew Yk. I mean it's so funny. The Kicks when the people climbed the Empire State builduilding, which I just loved yesterday. I was like, go for it kids. and the really hot people that did it And then and then Taylor was getting married Mz. I was like, New York couldn't be better at this moment. Oh, New York is back. New York is back, New York is hot. And by the way, you know I own a restaurant in New York. The street in front of my restaurant is clean. Right. Okay. So the mayor gets it and you can dislike me for saying that I don't care I want to go to something that reallyally upsets me and I just want to read this to you. Okay. So we got the two point two billion that he made and that's the at least number. At least. there's eighty six million dollars in here Mia of settlements, ready? Medapaid twenty four point five million. alphabet page twenty two million CBS and ABC each paid sixteen million to the quote unquote, Trump's library or I guess they said stuff about him that he didn't like that he sued them even though we have a F Amendment But you know these oligarchs better than anybody and you know the media better than anybody. and that's basically extortion money. And what's your reaction to that? that was the numbers that really glared at me. Godfather too. extxtortion money. you want to keep this restaurant going? You got a nice restaurant, Anthony. you know, want anything to happen to it, like a fire bomb or something. You know, like what someone was interesting, this guy Paul Graham, who I've tangled with a bunch of times, but recently he's actually been very truthful in a lot of ways. He's a he used to run or maybe he still does a big entrepreneurial effort in Silicon Valley. And one of the things, there's a story that OpAI is going to give a certain amount of its stock to this trust fund thing at five percent and it's about forty six if it goes the way they hope it does, it's about forty six billion dollars into this Tust counts for kids, right? And so some of them was like, oh, it's just a paper play. and then Graham said actually they're giving five so they don't get asked for ten Right? So it was really I thought that was very canny response because it is this idea of we put this money in, whether you're Elon putting two hundred fifty million dollars into the presidential race, And then you get out five billion do in contracts. like that's what it seemed the whole thing seems like to me. And same thing with, you know, I talk to people at Disney. they're like, oh, we didn't want to go through discovery. It just now they're fighting, Disney's now had it, right? Eespecially with that idiot at the FCC, that Moron Brendon Carr. And so there's some fighting back, but in some level, it's like, o, it's going to cost us twenty million dollars to litigate this or you know, let's just pay them And to me, you don't pay them. You just don't pay them. you know because that, you know, they keep coming back for more. And that's the problem, especially look, I can see Ma doing it in a second Like why not? whatever? it's just it's like it's like a parking fee for them or Google, whoever happens to pay these things, for those people to do it, they don't even think twice. for media companies to do it is really a bad precedent, especially the sixty minutes one that they sett.s They didn't do anything wrong, right? And in fact, they edited a Trump interview. So the one at ABC was a little more complex. I suspect it sort of been like the Fox case. Discovery wouldn't have been great of texts and stuff like that. That was my guess is they probably said something in text that was problematic and would have looked bad But it's just a payment. It's just a vig, right? That it's a vig Well, look at what the BBC did. So Trump suing the BBCs out to ten billion dollars. the BBC said, you know, that's great. We'd like all your text messages, all the messaging And this is basically all the stuff that the special prosecutor was digging up on Trump And we know that there's substantial evidence that he was involved in that movement Okay on the capital on the sixth of January. So he can't he can't disclose all that. So that case likely gets dropped. donon't you think Carol? I thought that was a brillant move by the BBC. Oh, absolutely. I think anytime you push back at this guy, he look at Agan Carol is like, you know, they just tried to get her to say, can you put off the five? She's like, no, give me my fucking money. Like I fought you enough. And she's owed another eighty some that she may or may not get eighty three million. eighty I think she's gonna ultimately get it and then like give it to like you know, women's rights organizations is my guess is what she'll do. But I mean, she's older. I mean, does she said that. She's like, she's going to take a little bit, go to Italy and then use the rest for whatever She's just spend the whole amount, I say.. It's just big after big. and I just I think people are tired of it. And ultimately, when you push back, like Murdoch did around this lawsuit with the Wall Street, he's come back again. It's a terrible lawsuit They've got as long as you're sort of button down on your own behavior Fight back, L go a, go for it. Come on because your discovery is going to suck. The Trump discovery is going to be terrible. He'll try to hide immunity, president this and that. We're going to take a break, but I want you to explain this to me. Rupert Murdoch being sued by President Trump, but there he is at the state dinner with King Charles, Okaykay. Jamie Diamond being sued by Donald Trump. is. But there he is at Versailles at the signing of the MOU. So tell me. Well, they're pretending he's a normal person you got to show up for some things. like there's they're trying to pretend normalcy when this is just a grifter, right? And so Ultimately, when they're really coming for something good, they don't let it happen. Like no, you can't have my, you know, Gold you may not have, my gold, but I'll show up at your stupid thing and just like smile at you. But behind the scenes, they're like fuck you, you ask. G diamond, let me just say diamond spin an interesting case because he's been quite critical roply right? Especially on the ballroom. Yeah, he's been he's he's really I thought I think he and Murdoch have played it well. and you know, Murdoch he's like, I fucking hate this guy, but I'll give him I'llrow him up and that I'll go to his thing. But you notice he he does he pushes back when it comes to the real I think Jam, for me, you know, Jamie is probably the smartest person in our community in my opinion. I would agree. And I think I think he has the right touch on these things. And I'm sure he's very frustrated by the stupid lawsuit, which is speicious and againgain, one that willll likely get dropped. All right, we're going to take a break. and we come back, we're going to talk about birth right citizenship and the anchor babies in the Trump family when we come right back Welcome back to the Rest is Politics, US with me, Anthony Scaramucci, joined by Karis Swisher Karol, want tona talk about birthrights citizenship. It looks like it was a win for the Constitution and the fourourteenth Amendment This week, of course, the presresident congratulated China. He's got this whole theory in his head that people are running over here to have babies to create citizens, which is a bunch of nonsense. Nonsense. But I want you to go first. give me your opinion on the case. and give me your opinion on this very partisan court citing against the president. What do you think that means? I thought it was rather close. I thought it was disturbing. I thought it would be a much different. I think the one, I guess it was Kavanaugh, they said it was because of the federal law and the government can change the law. You know, a couple of them are like, look, this is in the Constitution. It's pretty clear, right? And let not let's not quibble over that. But there was one that said it was just the law and the others said He just has changed the Constitution. and it sort of was eye opening to me that this many people would go with that I mean, it's you know, look, this again, speaking historically America loves immigrants and hates immigrants. You know that, right? You know my grandparents and your grandparents came from Italy. pare of my grandparents were here since the dawn of time, the original immigrants. and the others came from Italy in the ear early in the century, in nineteen hundreds And my grandfather in particular was born in Italy and then came over here. And my grandmother was born here to Italian immigrants. who may or may not have been, I don't know. Like I assume they eventually became, you know had whatever was in place at the time But there's always been sort of a hatred of whatever immigrants came through. And it sort of reached a ridiculous. Ag, this is another thing that comes and goes, right? And it's sickening actually, because immigrants built this country. We both know this And one, you know, this guy that just kicked this goal in the World Cup was was his parents were here. She couldn't fly back to London. He was born in the United States. He was able to play for the United States. I don't think there was any nefarious scheme happening. She couldn't fly as a pregnant person back to London to have her child. And so he's an American citizen. What's really gross is that there's one person in particular that's Egging Trump Trump by nature is a racist and a misogynist and probably, you know, hates all people of color. You know, And also in my opinion, he's a white supremacist. He's right He's certainly adjacent, that's for sure. He certainly doesn't mind them in any way. It's probably too much work to really be an active one for him. He just sort of he just benefits from them and probably as your typical attitude towards people that aren't or white guys, essentially But Stephen Miller, the stuff that comes out of his mouth, the hatefulness and the idea that these people are nefariously up to things or, you know, I just watched that Senator Marshall from Kansas talk about like All these citizens all these immigrants are voting illegally, which is there's no proof of it. L I'm not sure where it comes from, like this sort of basic hatred for the other U and Miller to me is the reason for all of this. like what's happening and he's againg, another person that I think will pay for what he's been doing eventually. But it seems to me he's got control of this and he has Mark Wayne Mullen on doing the same thing now, which is pretty grotesque I think it's important for people to understand the history behind the fourourteenth Amendment And then I think it's also important for people to understand the limbo that people would have been put in. So just quickly, the Dred Scott case veryery famous case, Justice Tany basasically said Black Americans, tell you what, free or enslaved You could never be citizens. You have no rights to which the white man bound to respect. Okay. And so obviously this got the ire of Abraham Lincoln. and he's like, we've got to fix this. Of course he's assassinated and by eighteen sixty eight a couple years after the Civil War, we get this amendment. basically codifies and tries to bring the African American community, which was enslaved into the world of citizenship and tries to give them the rights and the standing, which is effectively healing the Constitution. Okay so I think it ery important for people to understand that the genius of the Constitution was to have these amendments. Now Kavanaugh, who I cannot stand, Okaykay, again, these are my opinions, Justice Kavanaugh separated himself. He voted with the majority. Yeah. But he basically said, hey guys, if you want to blow this up He gave a template to the Congress to blow it up and basically seek a constitutional amendment. But I want you to react to The following Let's say that they said, hey, no birthright citizenship Carol, what would have happened to all of these people that were in limbo? What would have happened to Trump Trump family members where their moms may not have been citizens at the time that they were born? What happens to them? Did they get their birthright citizenship revoked What about Marco Rubio? He was in that limbo category. He was born in the US parents were of Cuban origination, what would have happened to him Carol? Right All of them. Bernie Marino. I mean Bernie Mino, It's such an indictment of your background, right? You know, I got here, I got mine. now we're going to stop other people. And again, so common in this country, so common for so many. We forget a lot of sort of the cruelties we've heaped upon various immigrant groups that have come through that have only improved our country, by the way Aside from like small cases, it's really an improvement overall by far. I don't understand, like again, it's like that Nicki Hilly like, oh, it's communism to say turn off your thing and then she did it. Are they paying attention to their own background and their own families and anything else? No, they're not. They don it's for me but not for the kind of thing. And the disconnect doesn't bother them in any way. The hypocritical disconnect doesn't bother them at all There's a need for an intelligent immigration system one hundred percent And there's no question that people suffered because it's so chaotic. and of course, people want to come to this country, right? And so they're going to try to pile in no matter what. And in weird ways, you kind of want those people because they're sort of motivated people in a lot of ways, which is a really interesting problem because even though he tries to portray them as They're actually the finest people in the world want to come here from all over the world, essentially, and the most motivated, the most talented and stuff. And they don't want to do criminal activity. They really don't. I mean mean a very small, tiny, nothing cent Again, it affects them, but it won't affect them. It's sort of like abortion rights, right? They want to push abortion rights down on everybody, but they themselves when in need of an abortion will get one, right? They'll be able to get one. They'll be able to stay in this country. Melania gets to stay, etceter. And so that to me I think this is just a typical thing that they do with everything is it's for me and not for the. And that's how they operate. It would have been a disaster. You have two hundred fifty five thousand children a year Let's say that they weren't U S citizens. they were born or not U. S. citizens, it's not clear that the country that their parents came from would have actually accepted them as citizens. So you would have had all of these people in like limbo. It was an embarrassing. And why? For what? And for what What does it solve? See, it solves that these people will probably be Democrats. Everything is about stopping people from voting, reallyally ultimately. That's a good point and trying to solidify Rublic because it's sort of a bastardization of Republicans. It's sort of this autocratic We're in charge here kind of attitude. And you know you see it from an Elon Musk, you see it who is an immigrant himself, right? A hatred of immigrants from immigrants is very common. is an awfully common thing. I mean, I had a grandparent that was like, everyone else, but the Italians shouldn't come here. that kind of stuff. I mean ye, listen, we both live through that era, I just think for for me, what upsets me the most about this is the mythology. So We're going to stop you because you're all going to vote Democratic. It doesn't even work that way. You know It doesn't. They're usually Republicans. Exactly. Half of them vote Republican, if not more, particularly members of the Hispanic community. So so to me, I don't even know where you're coming from, but I just want to point out to people just the super important for me at least the under the sole allegiance at birth test that Alleeo wrote about in his dissent Okay, Rubio would not have been a citizen at birth. right. Okay, nor were Ivanka Eric or Don Jior. okay? because their parents Okay, in the case of Ivana Trump, she was a Czechoslovakian citizen So forget it, you would not be a citizen. So Trump tried to write the executive order surgically to take his kids and people like Rubio out of it But Alito's going right at it. Well he's I mean, there's two people I find particularly heinous in this era. One is Alito and his crazy wife. Obviously she's not and hateful. And Miller. I just they're they're two unique characters that remind me of the people that did the internment. There' several characters in that I' been lost to history But to me, there's always a character like these two, right? Either they're on the Supreme Court or whether they're in the administration, or whether they're in some bureaucratic position that has this hatefulness towards immigrants and without lack of proof, that's the thing. If you go back, I think I've recommended this Rachel Madow did a great podcast series called Burn Order about the Japanese internment. and it was just like one person, essentially, the Stephen Miller of his day, created what happened because of his h and they took advantage of a person above him who was somewhat adled and then ruined the lives of all these people. And so I don't know where it ends up. just feel To me, the reckoning is never as I said, I doubt will happen for Trump, but it has to happen for Steven Miller. Alito will probably just fade away. and I'm sure he's retiring. I think that MPR story wasn't inaccurate. I think it was totally accurate. You know, when they pulled it. I think he's leaving. And there's no question. I sat at a dinner with Justice Alito Prime Minister of Italy came in, we went to the residence in Washington. I sat at a dinner with them I mean, you want to talk about impul, you know, Cara, I pride myself with being able to make conversation with anybody. Okaykay? Yeah you do. You could talk to like a light pole. Mr. Stone face, okay? I literally was like cold air coming off of this guy. I would love to sit next to him. Oh my go, it was I would do. I would get him. Oh my go I would get him Oh, it was so brutal this guy and he was so wan and indifferent. but I want to get you to react to this. Okay, the Birth certificate. I don't know. For me, it makes me think of America. It makes me think of pride in America and the joy that somebody has of being an American citizen. I went to a swearing in a naturalization ceremony just recently. I gave the speech for the people. It was about a hundred people. It was in a courtroom in DC. and the judge asked me to speak in front of them because my grandfather obviously came from Italy and his dad did too. and they came over on a boat. I found the records when he didn't have his name. He had a different name, which was a totally different name I talked in front of them and it was the most moving thing I've done in a long time. I brought my daughter. my older sons weren't there in DC, but I brought my six year old daughter. and I thought it was really important that she saw. And I gott to tell you, everyone was from somewhere. It was like a crazy amount of different countries. And it was so I teared up like these people were taking the oath to be American citizens. and the pride of these families was so moving. I was so privileed to be there to watch these people become American citizens. And that's again, the promise of America, right? And they're so patriotic and they're so they know every and of course, you and I could not pass one of those citizenship tests. L you'd be like like most Americans couldn't actually The people who come here have so much pride to be here. I find it really astonishing that these people are so hateful towards people who aspire be Americans, which is I think att its best is the finest thing in the world to want to bait, right? I meanne would assume I want to end on an optimistic note. I'm going to frame the question to you as follows. We're celebrating the two hundred fiftieth anniversary birth of America. In some ways, I think Trump is going to help us. and hear me out for a second, he has given us a template where if we really want to reform the country, everything that Trump is doing, let's codify and protect ourselves from another Trump. Yeah He's really sending a message that there's a group of people here that want to strike the heart. of the Constitution. let's figure out a way to fortify it. Bring us in on an optimistic no character. I'll try because I feel like some people people are exhausted, evenven I'm ex and I'm pretty sassy, You know what I mean? Like the exhaustion of the cruelty, ultimately, what I hope doesn't happen is everyone goes, You know, it doesn't do something like after Nixon, everyone was fired up to do something, right? After that. And of course, as usual, JD Vance, the cybertruck of American politicians, was like, Nixon wasn't so bad. Like what a dope that guy is. Every time he opens his mouth, I'm like Really you are really not this smart person in any way. He's actually repellent. It's really any I won't go on about him I fear people being Trump is exhausting. He's exhausting. And that's the one thing that he has in his favor is he's so energetically awful You know, he's a villain that doesn't stop villaining essentially. Every day. He's going to tear down cherry trees that I love, you know, at Haynes Point. Like what? you're sort of like, what part of you won't he grope? likeike which part of America won't he grope essentially? And by the way, he's been adjudicated as a groer, so I can say that without feeling that I'll be sued But one of the things we have to do is not stay angry because I don't think that's anger does spur people to do things. I do think it does. Anger and righteous anger is really important in America. But we have to be like Okay, all this stuff gets broken. One What do we need to fix that needs to come back? They just did two really terrible. They're stopping testing for microplastics and water. Let's just start that again. Like we have to start up a bunch of things that they've done in favor of industries, especially chemicals on food and stuff like that But what has broken and we should build something new. And I think what it gives us an opportunity to say, okay, this wasn't working so well. Maybe the Democrats went too far here. maybe we could think of something more reasonable here. And that's what we should do is like what should we build different? And it gives us an opportunity in this country, which is always about renewal to like notot necessarily fix things that are broken, but change things that need change. That's an opportunity. He broke them, okay, do we like everything about it? Do we want to bring it back the same way? Are there new fresh ways of thinking about it? And so to me, maybe it will spur creativity, right? And maybe we'll start to think Okay, that's a good idea from Mondani. That's a good idea from you know, I don't know, Kevin Stitt, I don't know. as long as they're good ideas, that we should be open to them and not be in this sort of he keeps us in a state of Helplessness and hatred towards each other. And if we could break that, I think it could be really helpful for everybody. That's what I'm hoping. You know, I see him as the wicked witch of the West wing. I think he's got to hit with the water. But she was good. It turns out that was propaganda if you saw the movie. Well, you're talking about wicked now, but I'm talking about the old school nineteen thirty nine movie Let's hit him with the water as he starts to shrink the other people look around and say, Hey, I'm sorry Dorothy. we got to get to that I'm sorry Dorothy moment because there's a lot of people that are tied into him that I think are going to regret it. Do you think they will, you know them? When I saw that Nickki Hailly thing, I was like two days ago, let me just sayivid I said, she can't stop sucking up. If she could, she'd be a good politician. And Scott was like, oh, you know, she's really actually good. And then she did it again. She sucked up again. And I was like When is she going to stop? They're afraid of them and they also think if they have any political viability, they think sucking up to him is going to help them with his base, but it won't help them with his base. If anything, the sucking up just looks like sucking up. And so that's that's the big issue. The minute he goes it's going to be like that poem. He's in the desert His big giant statue himself is covered up with sand and that's the end of it. But I hope that they come back and stop it. but they don't seem to be Anthy. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. So I'll tell you this, it's good to have you as a friend. You keep all of us sayane, Cara. You do too, Anthony. I'm grateful to you. Thanks so much, Cara, for joining me on the Rest is Politics US. And of course, Katy will be back next week And we'll see you guys soon This is an urgent appeal from the Disasters Emergency Committee. twowo devastating earthquakes have hit Venezuela, resulting in widespread destruction. Thousands have been killed and injured, and survivors desperately need food, water, shelter and medical care. Go to dc dot org dot uk to donate or text DC to seven zo one fivez ten pounds Texts cost your donation plus standard network rate. S website for T's and C's. Thank you