Final Thoughts and Legacy

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Apple Watch is not a medical device and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice. All right . Last time you heard this song, it was a cocaine threesome in a bathroom, followed by some dancing. And now we are here, you horny motherfuckers . Let me introduce the uh rewatchables cast. First of all, thank you everybody for coming out tonight. This theater is awesome. Thank you. I love that third deck up there. It's great. Um , first off, he's the curator of the White Girl Hall of Fame . He's currently hosting a record 17 different ringer podcasts. The next mayor of Los Angeles, Van Lathan. You know her as the mother of dragons . She's a woman who really likes hands and fingers . She's almost definitely gonna violate a public obscenity law tonight. Mallory Rubin He's the five time rewatchables MVP. He's the man who turned March into CR Month. He's the author of three books about medals. CR himself, Chris Ryan. And over on the side, for the first time ever joining us for a live show, our producer, the guy who's taken over this podcast after I'm found naked and dead, like Johnny Boss. Craig Horebank. Yeah . All right . Do you like that, CR? I do. I like the idea also that you're not killed by a beautiful blonde but, by a Lakers fan. Thank you. Uh let's talk most San Francisco movies ever. Yeah. Wow. CR . You we talked about this earlier. I think the necessities are hills. Yeah. Water. Sure. Shots of the bridge. And nice real estate. Anything else? What do you got ? I just think that the sky, the light, the fog, there's like an atmospheric element that San Francisco movies tend to bring into play. I mean, you've got some real we were talking about how hard it is to move anything off of Mount Rushmore for these. Yeah. So we got we were thinking like movies that actually use the city and it's really cool doing this, you know, in San Francisco, obviously. Movies that make you feel like you're in San Francisco . My four are basic instinct, vertigo, bullet, because of the car chase, and then 48 hours, my favorite movie ever. Van, what else would you put in there? Because I could offer you Mrs. Doubtfire. Yeah. I could offer you The Rock, Pacific Heights, the Game, anything else? What about like Dirty Harry, right? Could offer you Dirty Harry. Dirty Harry was here. Yeah, man. Um, as a matter of fact, I just won't let you guys know they're lying about your city. When I came out here, I expected to see Batman patrolling the streets like it's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, honestly, San Francisco's back. We walked from our hotel to the uh to the Giants game last night. San Francisco's in great shape. I don't not listen to the buzz anymore. And the Philly's lost. Mallory. Top for CI Mallory, what else do you have? Or not. Yeah. Yeah. What else do you have for San Francisco? Naturally you're missing a little bit of a genre presence. No Ant-Man. You know? There you go. You didn't list. Planet of the Apes. No? Star Trek? Planet the Apes is a good one. Star Trek. Yeah. That's good. What's your favorite? I I I have a similar Mount Rushmore to you, I think. I I'd say it's probably Bullet, Zodiac, this movie, Basic Instinct, and Mrs. Doubtfire for me. Craig, you're the only one that grew up here. I grew up in the East Bay, but yes . Wow. All right, so what's the most San Francisco movie ever? For me growing up, Mrs. Doubtfire for sure. Okay. All right. Well, we are we have a more important Mount Rushmore , the erotic thriller Mount Rushmore. Oh yeah. Boy. Which the unassailable choices are body heat, fatal attraction, basic instinct, and unfaithful. Unfortunately we have the mother of dragons here to weigh in. Uh is that the right four? Is there anyone else you would put in? Nine and a half weeks? What else? Well we've done three of those four together. Sure. And now we're doing this one together for the second time. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's nice. Yeah. That's how uh three of the five of us got through the first month of COVID. Was learning how to podcast remotely talking about this movie. A very normal podcast. It was on Zoom three weeks after COVID started. I honestly don't even remember one aspect of what I think. But I don't know. I'll do that if I ever see you guys again in person. Right. Yeah. Right? He was using the pandemic as a shield to make all of these declarations about how he'd start wearing deep V-neck sweaters. With no t-shirt on it. And doing cocaine in the bathroom stall at the nightclub. So Van, this movie. Show me the nightclub. You know what? The night's young.. Mm-hmm This movie jump starts the erotic thriller skinemax era. Yeah. Um, which I guess technically starts with Night Eyes in nineteen ninety with Andrew Stevens. I know you own it on four K Blu-ray. Yeah, of course. Um silk stockings on CBS, no nudity, but very important. Basic instinct. We have Shane and Tweed and Shane and Warrior about to come into our lives. All of them. What else do you remember from this era? I remember like staying up late, making sure that my parents were asleep. I was by myself, having a great time. Emanual, all the different manuals. I have it, I have a list later. Yeah, I know. I'm not by myself. But you know . Red Reds Shoehoe diaries. Fucking freak you. Reds hoe. Yeah. All of that stuff. Because what happened was this is prestige freak shit, basic instinct. That's not, I could get to that, right? That was in the movie theater, but then the freak shit that came on later on, you know, that was the stuff that was accessible to me. That's what really made me a man . Sierra and I have had very different experiences with this movie, because I saw this movie in college by myself in Worcester, Massachusetts. During the day. Wait a second. Yeah. Don't let that slide. Yeah. I saw this movie in college by myself. Yeah. Yeah. Every every time after class. Every story he tells from him in college. Ah, it was me house and joking. We were all hanging out. But he made them motherfuckers leave. It was a solo . How many empty seats between you and the next guy who was also jerking off throughout the entire movie ? Extra butter. I don't remember a lot other than that there were no couples, and I'm gonna say between sixteen and eighteen guys soloing in different spots of the theater. There you go . And uh it just the feedback or the stuff that was coming out about this movie. First of all, we knew like the nude scenes were off the chain. We knew Sharon Stone was the lady from Total Recall and some action Jackson movies we liked. And then there was supposedly this female frontal thing that you didn't know what it was. So it was a little like the the the shark in Jaws waiting to see what was gonna happen. Yeah. But if you didn't know you were gonna get a shark in Jaws. Like it was just a rumor. Yeah. And I honestly CR, this movie went way further than I was prepared. But you saw it younger than me, because you're younger than me. Yeah, we we we were like Dan Orlovsky breaking down tape with this once this at the video stores , there was a lot of missing copies of this. And there was a lot of probably like you know manipulating the tracking on your VHS machine. So this was this is a hall of fame rental. How did this uh help you through puberty. I was thinking about this. Sharon Stone 86 through 92 is like her and Kathy Ireland are the bird and magic of my sexual awakening. Who would you throw in, Van? I got a list. Alright, so um at the bottom of the list, all the ladies from the various Emmanuel movies. Emmanuel Queen of the Desert, Emmanuel in Space, Black Emmanuel, Emmanuel in Bangkok. They had a manual for every fucking flavor that you needed. All right, number four, Sharon Stumble in Basic Instinct. Yeah. Number three, Robin Givens in a Rage in Harlem. Number two, Janet Jackson in the Pleasure Pentable video. Come on man. Number one, Pam Greer, Foxy Brown. My mom , that's what I'm talking about. My mom actually made me get into Pam Greer and Foxy Brown. My mother suggested I watch that. You know why? Because of basic instinct. Yeah. My mom thought that she was gonna lose me to the white women. And she was like, so she's like, thought she was raised in Cupid Billy Jr. And she goes. You ever seen Foxy Brown? Cause she knew those could be back to the black side of the situation. Shout out to mama. Mission accomplished. Well, we have a rewatch was a word named after a character of this movie, the Catherine Chremel, would you throw your life away for this obvious stay away word ? CR, if someone said to you, I'm writing a book about a podcast who falls in love with the wrong woman, and it was Sharon Stone in this movie . Are you just like, I'm gonna be dead in four weeks? I mean, it's less than four weeks. I think that this movie actually has multiple candidates for this, though. Like I watching it this time around, I would toss it all away for Beth. I mean, that's yeah. What about Roxy? Beautiful lady, but also free therapist. You know, like and Roxy. Yeah. And Roxy Roxy, of course. Yeah. Easily Roxy, man. Yeah. So I was gonna talk about this later because we gotta get into Sharon Stone, but Roxy just comes and goes. She's in this movie and she's the cop stripper in Days and Thunder. Never seen again. You look at her IMDB, it's like she she just I don't know what happened. But if you just saw this movie you would have thought she was gonna be as big of a star as Sharon Stone or at least close. Oh no ? At least for me. I if you saw this movie now you definitely would think that's a person who's gonna be responsible for generating a lot of mem es. Yeah. Which is powerful in its own way. But Sharon Stone, you watch this movie and you're like, this is the most powerful force of nature, like a hurricane in human form . That's not exactly what Roxy is giving. She's giving it a Roxy provoked different emotions. You know, I never went for the Sharon Stone types . In do you mean the Catherine Tremell types or just Sharon Stone? No, what I mean is that like you go to the club with your boys, I'm gonna buckle up, and everyone goes, Yo, we gotta have this girl. I would always look at her friend. I'd be like, her friend is not the one that's not getting any attention. She's looking at her friend on the dance floor, she's pissed off. She's like, look at all them motherfuckers looking at her. I wish I was her. And then I come over and I validate her. I go, girl, you are her. That's Roxy . Some of you just needed to validate her. Yeah. Uh a quote in this movie about the Sharon Stone character Mallory. I love it. She's got a hundred million bucks. She fucks fighters and rock and roll stars, and she's got a degree in screwing with people's heads. And that's not the craziest thing said about her during this movie. No, or the craziest thing that she says. I mean, the quotes in this movie are astonishing. One of the uh wonderful colleagues, Elizabeth, live events head that rock star, our own rock star, uh, hasn't seen this movie. We were backstage with her, and I was thinking, wouldn't it be fun if we did like a is this a real quote from this movie game with her, right? Because like you could break out, have you ever fucked on cocaine Nick? It's nice, and then you could break out there's cum all over these shit, right? And you would get like 45 lines it all over. There's got off before gat off in pressure. That would have been a fun game show. We could have gone 150 lines deep before we even had to put the first fake quote in there. It's amazing. Elizabeth does the live shows for us, and she always watches the movie and the flight to the location. And we were like, no. Yeah. No. Not this movie. You need a privacy screen. Please. For that one. Um who is like what actress now, Vane, would be the Sharon Stone that you would cast in this movie? Interesting question. Because this feel it does feel generational, right? Like we go through. Oh so because there was a Kathleen Turner phase where she would have been in it. So this movie came out at a different time, okay? We have penises now. Um this movie came out when we had dicks. Yeah. Completely different. We didn't have to pretend like it was something nice about what was happening. It was aggressive. It was primal. Now I'm trying to think who could bring that energy, who could like, who could do that and like not give a fuck you know not care maybe like Margaret Quali maybe she's a little bit like that you know I don't I don't know I'm just it's it's different now because if you make the movie now everyone's gonna be so self-aware of everything that's happening. This movie kind of like careens through its plot with reckless abandon and it doesn't really care what anyone thinks about it. It will be difficult to like cast somebody in that role and have them just be completely free. I know we like always end up picking the same person, but is it not Sydney Sweeney? Is it not? I mean obviously she could pull it off. Um I think so here's the difference. Here's the difference though with Sharon Stone and why this movie was so important, where she'd popped in stuff, but we didn't really have a history with her. She too. She was like, she had been in a bunch of stuff. She was an action Jackson. Yeah. And I remember like she was in Irreconcilable Differences, which is a great divorce movie, which is not available anywhere. But she was in that in like nineteen eighty-two and for ten years was just bouncing around. What was the Alan Corber main one? Steven Seagal. Yeah, she was in a Seagull movie. And just Total Recall was probably the the biggest movie that she was in, right? She's great in that. So this was kind of her moment. I don't know who that actress is now. The point, the point is, is that like at this juncture in her career, she was hungry enough to do a movie like this and not hold anything back. So if we talk about actresses that are in that situation now, we're gonna talk about more established actresses, but like like this is a controversial role. You have to really go a lot of places that, you know, could end up really being combustible for your career, like it was for Elizabeth Berkeley and Showgirls, or it could make you like it did for Sharon Stone and basically. So they they get Michael Douglas for 14$ million for this movie, and then he gets kind of semi-approval for who the female star is gonna be. Sharon Stone was the 13th choice. She made $500,000, which was uh less than $14 million In part though, because of what you're just saying, right? Like he really wanted somebody who was equally famous and renowned to kind of sh- They were anticipating that it would be controversial. He wanted Kim Baysinger, right? Yeah, he was like, I need somebody who's gonna uh And I just remember like if you can see it now when you plenty of blowback in the movie. When you go on and read about like its release now, she's such a wild card because she's kind of like, I have nothing to lose. So she's saying crazy shit in interviews. And she's, you know, her vibe is not like, I'm a well-established star, I know exactly what I'm doing. She's kind of like, I'm blowing this pot stand before we I get out of here. Well they offered it to Michelle Pfeiffer, who said no, and thank God, because I think that might have actually killed me. She was in this movie. I'd be dead. I don't know who's hosting this. It wouldn't be me, it would be somebody else. Um CR, Shannon Stone not nominated for an Oscar for this movie. I'll give you the nominees. Please do. Okay. Emma Thompson wins for Howard's End. Catherine Deneuve for Indogene. Is that how you say it? Imogene? Sure. Mary McDonald for Passion Fish. Michelle Pfeiffer for Lovefield and Susan Sarandon for Lorenzo's oil. Interesting I think we could have snuck Sharon in there, guys. I don't know. Like who else could have done the the this movie made $356 million This is a useful place to ask this. Do you take this movie seriously? I don't. Yeah. I think it's a great time. My wife hates it because I love throwing it. It's you said you've said this a million times. It's a vibes movie. It is a vibes movie for sure. I like watching them smoke . I like the nightclub scene. Yeah. Um I like I Michael Douglas, who we're gonna get to in a second. It's in the running for funniest performance of the 90s. It's amazing. It's a story. She doesn't know it's funny, but everyone else knows it's hilarious. And it's just a fun movie to hang out with. This run of Paul Verhoeven movies works because even Paul Verhoeven is like, we need to make this funny movie incredibly seriously. Right. Starship Troopers is kind of the same thing. I think they all know they're in this insane movie about the movie. I don't think Douglas does. What's that? I don't think Michael Douglas knows that this is. I think Michael Douglas knows. I think he's like for this to work , I have to 100% commit. But if you read that script, you're like this is pulp bullshit and it's hilarious. He's 47 when he makes the movie. Wow, I still got time. Wow. Yeah. Boy. Um probably should have been a younger actor. Would be by the way. Come on, man. No. What are you talking about? You say no on that? Well, first of all, I like the support and age difference as you know, you know, among consenting adults. But I think there's something about Nick being in like a the a midlife crisis that's actually pretty important. He's had a marriage. His wife killed herself. He has committed four shootings in five years. He has to have the runway to live that much life. You can't have like a 25-year-old whippersnapper on the force. You need somebody with some red nail ledger in this . Here's the thing. He is one of the biggest movie stars who throughout his career routinely takes a chance with the way the audience sees him and is like, I don't mind playing the the hero who's a piece of shit. And he no, he's like not he's the main star of Wall Street. You know, he is does these things where he's like, I'll push my boat out and make sure we people have a really provocative experience. When you say like how the audience sees him, do you mean specifically him walking toward a bass in a mirror with his throat swinging so that his under his ass? Don't swing. Yes. And like consider the time, right? So you're in a Mel Gibson , Kevin Costner, which we're gonna talk a lot a little bit about that later time, where all of those guys are kind of competing to be the all-American movie star. And really his lane is being the freak. He's a fucking freak. A yuppie. He's a freaking disclosure. He's a freak and this. He's a fucking freak and fatal attraction. This motherfucker's a freak. And no, and no one else really wants to do it. He'll do it. He's great at it. And he kinda We've he's been in a lot of rewatchables movies. He's not anyone's favorite actor, but he's been in a ton of everybody's favorite movies. Should meet a Michael Douglas super fan? Yes. My guy. Me and Mike. But I mean My site MikeyDug fan.com . From 84 on, he rips off Romance in the Stone, Jewel of the Nile, Chorus Line, Fatal Attraction. Black Rain War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, Falling Down, Disclosure, American President, Ghost in Darkness, The Game, Perfect Murder, Wonder Boys Traffic. Yo, fucking messing race ? That is um that's amazing work. American President is the weird movie in that group. Yeah. Right. I keep waiting for the American president to be like jerking off under the resolute desk, but he's like, no, I'm just a really good guy. It's in the it's on the extended Blu-ray. Yeah, director's cut. Craig, you're you're younger than us. What's your relationship with Michael Douglas? Just what just wandering into this after the fact? I don't even think I have one. I I don't know what the go-to Michael Douglas role is. I wanna I asked my wife Liz, I'm like, what's your opinion on Michael Douglas? Like, did you ever think he was hot? And she's like, honestly, no, you're just kind of a creep. Was Michael Douglas ever like a top three loving Man, let me tell you. My mom, I was about to say my mom used to look at failure attraction and be like, mm-mm, mm-hmm. I see what she was doing about. Look at that. Harrison Ford, dark side Harrison Ford. No way. No, because Harrison Ford is god tier. You can't say anyone is any version of Harrison. Harris the wrong person. Get the fuck out of here. What are you thinking? What's wrong with you? But Harrison Ford, Costner, Douglas, Gere, those were the men who my mom was like obsessed with and loved. And uh Michael Douglas was the one who didn't quite catch for me in terms of being like sexually obsessed with him, though I will tell you gu ys that when I booted up this movie to prepare, to rewatch it, to prepare for this live show, um, you know, there's a pretty famous moment in this movie that I think a lot of people pause on, right? You might, well, well, it'll come up tonight, I think. Uh I had paused at a different moment. I booted up the director's cut and it was at one hour, eleven minutes, and forty-three seconds, which is the sidecock shot. During the fuck of the century scene. So I guess that was where I had just checked in, booted it up at some point, taken a look, paused it, left, and there it was waiting for me. Do you think that was in between? I was watching it with my husband and was like, that seems right.. Probably Yeah. I mean it was six years ago the last rewatchables. I've definitely looked at that since. No question . I thought we were gonna do sidecocks later. Well oh we can we can we can come back to them, don't worry. Uh one thing about Douglas, because he was also a producer. Yeah. Really good timing on when to jump in on a movie that's kind of parallel paralleling whatever's happening in real life. Like even you go back to China syndrome, which he's in, which was like right when everyone's afraid of nuclear war in the late 70s. Wall Street is the greed is good. Basic instinct. Big fear of AIDS, early 90s. And he one of the in the research, one of the things he really wanted to do with this movie was push the envelope sexually the other way in movies. And then uh disclosure was another one with Workplace. Sure. But he just over and over again had really good taste. Sure. That's one way of putting it. Yeah. Yeah. A framing. Mallory saw what was the documentary you saw with the storyboarding? Oh yeah, there's a a a bonus featurette called uh I believe Blonde Poison? Yeah. Blonde Poison, The Making of Basic Instinct, which is about 30-ish minutes. A good chunk of it at the end is about actually the protests of the film by LGBT groups. And I would say the first like 15 to eighteen minutes before that are largely Paul Verhoven the director. The director talking about how he just insisted very clearly that everybody understood that they had to be naked in the movie and that they had to follow the exact game plan for the sex scenes because he had diagrammed them very precisely, and then inner cut with his comics. I'm gonna hold up one for you guys. Yes. Yeah . Paul Verhogan's work right there. Pretty special. Pretty special. So he storyboarded the entire thing. They spent five days filming fuck of the century. Five. Yeah. Because he was so concerned that they were gonna make him cut stuff and make it an X rating or whatever. He wanted to be covered in every way, shape, or form. Yeah. And they filmed for five days, 10 hours a day. A 90-second sex scene? If you're watching the director's cut, it's a little longer. Yeah. And also Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone apparently were not like super close during the making of this, which makes it all the more interesting. Well, I mean I think that there wasn't a lot of coffee corner, like just chit-chat about like he didn't be in a movie. Was that yeah? Yeah, he didn't be like they had gone through a bunch of people and he was concerned because he's making this movie where he's gotta play a killer coca-dicted cop. And he wanted a A-list actress to share that burden with him and get it over the finish line. And all of them looked at the script, was like, You fucking crazy? I'm not doing this. And so then, like, they got Sharon Stone, but he was a little bit trepid If you were filming with Sharon Stone for five straight days for ten hours a day, just with small genital pads on . How would that go by like Wednesday? What do you mean? Well, see I always wondered this. He set you up there. You have to come in and say that. Well, look. But they were also not wearing genital pads. They are famously completely naked filming these. Yeah. Oh, so they're naked filming. I thought they did have No. Also, two. Mousepoint. Watch this feature. ad Here's a quote. From the director of this movie. I wanted to really see oral sex. I wanted to see how he sucks her tits. I wanted to see all that Thank you everybody. this behind the scenes and I'm not entirely sure she's not like making this up. Yeah. Because I looked for it online and I was like, huh, blob poison. I can't find this. I'll I'll send it to you. Yeah, please. Just like I sent you I sent you the storyboard pictures. Yeah. The weird thing is also there's like stories that the actors told that Verhoven was like he would be like, okay, here's here's what we're gonna do. Here's the blocking and then they would show up day of and he would like side cure all my news storyboards and he would be like calling hot routes on Gene Triple Horn. Like I I I don't know. I I tend to believe her, but yeah. Uh Verhoven, Robocop total recall, based against the Starship Troopers. What a good thing. Just four of the many . Just a pervy Dutch guy, I think would be the best way to describe him. Love pushed an envelope. Love to put stuff in there, kind of making fun of Americans, and we didn't as we loved the movies. Dnid't realize he was flipping it on us. What's his Apex Mountain for uh movies, CR? I think in retrospect, it's Starship Troopers. I think so. In some ways. Really? I think that has like a better reputation than Basic Instinct. Interesting. What do you think, Ben? I think it's easily basic instinct. I think it's not even close. I think Starship Troopers has uh he has this ability to elevate, I guess what people would consider to be like uh trash or really accessible accessible kind of stories. But basic instinct was a cultural phenomenon. It was a movie that like legitimately, my mom and then went to see it and they came back and I was like, girl, was it just stabbing with that ice pick? What's going on? Like it was a movie that you absolutely had to talk about, and really, as much as fatal attraction got this genre started in a in a management way, yeah, this kind of solidified the genre as a mone ymaker and as something that could like be star mak ing for uh Sharon Stone. Like you would approach these movies differently after Basic Instant because you knew that doing one and taking the risk and taking the chances and like putting yourself out there on film like that could end up in making you a star, which is what this movie did for Sharon Stone. So she did all of this stuff and then it paid off. So I think this is probably his magnum opus in my opinion. I also think it's fair to say that there weren't really characters like this until this movie. Like these kind of powerful female in control of the relationship. Like this look at Susan B. Anthony over here . This became something that a lot of movies tried to do, but I don't know who tried to do it before this movie. I can't really think of one. Can you see her ? Uh a femme fatal like this? No, no, I mean like not this explicitly and this violently. Because like body heat did it, right? Sure. That was 10 years earlier. And there's some other ones over the years, but I I think this jump started. Then what was interesting about this movie is all the rip-off terrible movies that tried to Jade Color of Knight. Sliver . I've seen them all. I know Van has them all and Blu-ray. This movie had people protesting various parts of it, like they couldn't even decide what to protest. Uh Sharon Stone hosted SNL in April 92 and six people disrupted that and actually disrupted the monologue and they had to like uh change it. Um but people are pretty pissed off for a variety of reasons about this movie. Uh Joe Estherhaus was the writer . Three million dollars got for the script. There was a bidding war Craig's nodding happily over there. A lot of cocaine, yeah Esther Haas is basically in a competition with Shane Black, who we just talked about on Nice Guys . He these two are like basically trading back and forth the like all-time richest screenplay deal for like five years. Right. And then Esther House gets mad because Vare Hovind's putting all this extra stuff in the movie, ends up walking off the set. $49 , $49 million budget made $353 million, the fourth highest grossing movie of 1992. That would be 800 million today. This would be Project Hail Mary today. Amaze, amaze, amaze. Aggressive R-rated erotic theater. Well, so this is an interesting topic. Would could this happen anymore? Do people want to be in a movie theater watching people fuck like this for Craig's million dollars? Like because of Craig's generation. No, like generation. We were doing, I can't remember what movie we were doing. And this was the time, you know, I after Craig said that he he would shoot somebody in the heart and that changed my opinion of him forever. But we were watching a movie and Craig said they were just titties in the movie for no reason . And I was thinking to myself, how much fucking distance is it between me and Craig ? Whenever titties show up, I am happy to meet them . I agree. Thank you. Well, and now 200 movies later, I'm like bummed when there's no nudity in a movie. Come on. Yeah. We've joined back. Come on. Film score got an Oscar nomination. Jerry Goldsmith. Jan Dubont working the cameras. Yan debont? Yeah. Yeah. Little Jan, a couple years for speed. Um Craig, 112 minutes, plus 22 on the horlbex. Craig thinks every movie should be 90 minutes. 22 over par. Yeah. But you can kind of skip right to the sex scenes now. It doesn't really matter how long it is, you know. Everything's everything's clipified now, you know? Yeah, that second half of the movie probably could be tightened, I would say. Also, the last 25 minutes of this movie, you're like, what the fuck is It turns into a who done it. By the way, the movie would have been longer if Shooter could last. Shooter has a premature ejaculation problem. Oh shooter's in it. Uh here comes nine minute van weighing in. Nine minute van at minimum . Do we know minimum like that? Do we know he had a premature or did it was it just edited that way? Thank God we have Mallory here to answer that. I'd have been like, hey, yo, on God, like for real, for real, for real. Like, give me at least two extra minutes so people know how I move out here in this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I can't have people thinking that the credits gonna roll, I'm gonna be popping before it's, you know what I'm saying? The Beth scene, unfortunate in many respects, including this one, very quick. But the Catherine scenes, I don't know. I think like we see her orgasms so many different times, including from the single most memorable part of the movie which is him going down on her, maintaining eye contact the entire time and going cross-eyed, like he's trying to like identify a unicorn in a magic eye painting. I'm just like when I see things. When we do these, I never ever ever want to have sex again . Like every time you do like a Muppet version of someone going down at something, it just kills me. But then he's on top, the back scratch, then she's on top, right? So we're going through some pretty protracted sequences there he went down on her like, girl, you think I wasn't gonna do this, did you? I know. He was really impressed with himself. Yeah, you were. Yeah. And then he watched his own blowjob in the the mirror. Where are you guys on bedroom ceiling mirrors? What what part of the podcast is this? What do you think ? I always like see myself and like, yo, nigga, you need to work out . Like we had gone to the islands and my titties lay to the side it It it was one of during the MTV Cribs era. It was one of those when somebody had the bedroom era. You really knew some freak shit was going down. It was always a red flag. Yeah, it was one or the other. It was definitely a statement Y'all can't do Raj, man. Yes, he's saying the film is like a crossword puzzle. It keeps your interest until you solve it . And then it's just a worthless scrap with the spaces filled in. God damn. I don't want to give him a fuck you rash, but I'm gonna give him like a borderline fuck you rash. Just a a a whiff. I I don't like that. Two and a half. Give it a two and a half. Come on. I'm surprised he didn't give it a two and a half. Like two is is like I think he was just really upset by the ending mainly. I think he kinda liked it, but he was upset about the ice pack at the end. He just knocked the star off at the end. 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The NASA photos? Boz's sheets under the black light look like the face of the moon that NASA is currently showing us. Splattered craters everywhere. So he either is Mount Vesuvius. Right. One night only. Or he's never watched. His bedroom is a no-go z one for the me . And those sheets have not been changed in weeks. Yes. I think that. Yeah. Do you have a theory? I I bet you do. On the sheets with the the note made, or just is it one night ? Who throughout the course of his career was able to set records. And if you guys don't know who he is, you'll be amazed. And so when I think of this movie, I think about talent, not necessarily about like function. So it wasn't the fact that he was doing it a lot, it was like when he was doing it, talking about a fucking fire hose. So my question is: if you're getting stabbed to death with an ice pick as you're coming, is that like a th triple cum shot? Sorry to be crude, but that's if the maid's not coming, that has to be the only other explanation. I just don't think the the human body contains that much ejaculate at one period of time. Whether or not you're wait though. Have Sharon Stone thrusting on top of you and you're about to be stabbed thirty-one times with an ice pick. Not to get too graphic here, but like is it fine, go ahead. Is it Johnny Boss inside Catherine Tremont? Yes. Yes. Why is there semen everywhere? I think the idea also is they have done it multiple times that night. That this is like it's Johnny Boss's fuck of the century. That's right. Cocaine on the penis. So anyone second guessing their decision to come tonight or I'm having a great time. I think you guys knew what you were coming for. Uh the woman in the opening scene, by the way, was Sharon Stone. Um It didn't like it. Because they have her hair covered, but it is her and and Verhoven. put in a blonde wig, I think, to make you think it could be true , yeah. Yeah. There's some pretty clear indicators. But CR, would you want to go this way if like you could pick ten different ways to die with the Johnny Baas being the top three? I would be I would be so thrilled to find out what the other ones would be that would tell this. This is like Vy Tyrion Lannister. You know how he's always saying he wants to go with a belly full of wine and some lips around his cock. It's the Johnny Boss. Uh another quote from this scene, he got off before he got off. Yeah. That's where you know you're in the right hands. Uh next scene, the first visit to Sharon Stone's house. Incredible. Catherine Tremell. Uh we get a great, great Bay Area Drive. Amazing house. Gorgeous. Fantastic. Um I'm gonna give this the Den of Thieves Benny Hannah Award scene stealing location CR, unless you wanna jump me. This is the nightclub. Um really nice, good deck. Good deck. Great deck. And great deck. Great deck. Great dick. Yeah. Insane dick. Great landscaping. Yeah. Girthy dick. Catherine. Catherine Tramel comes in throwing 120 miles an hour right away. I wasn't dating him, I was fucking him. Man. What are you a pro? I'm an amateur. I wasn't in the mood last night. Are you sorry he's dead? Yeah, I like fucking him. Incredible. She's just throwing him off left and right. Bill talking this way. Doesn't seem that upset, Mal . Well, she's that's part of the appeal of Catherine as a character, is she is so utterly in command and assured, and there's something disarming and terrifying about it, but also something so appealing. So, like the whole movie, the the thriller, the the erotic thriller aspect is a cat and mouse chase where like the mouse wants to be caught so that he can fuck Catherine. Right? And you have to understand that like immediately, which you do. Then we have uh another rewatchable scene: the second house visit to the car ride, which includes her changing. That's how we know she's not wearing underwear. They're in the car. I don't smoke. Yes, you do. I quit. Congratulations. All of a sudden she has cigarettes. What's your new book about? A detective . He falls for the wrong woman. What happens? He kills her. Yeah. Douglas is like, I'm fucking in. This is, I am all the way in. Uh Which shouts out Scott and Atalia got married in Stinson Beach. They're here somewhere. There they are. Uh next scene is the uh police room scene. Yeah. One of I s I think the most famous scenes of the nineties. And we also have Newman from Seinfeld, the Nettie Harris from Major League and there. Sure do. The fact away, which I don't know if it's true that Spielberg hired him off of this is unreal. But I see Spielberg's takeaway from this scene . Jurassic Park, I got that guy. Right. What are you gonna do? Arrest me with s arrest me for smoking? Good line. Johnny liked to use his hands too much. I like hands and fingers. Another quote. Have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick? It's nice. Iconic. It's not how she says it. It'd be funny if she did. She was like, it's nice . She did turn into Borat for a second. Yeah, it's exactly. Borat basic instincts. My wife. My wife is nice. He's dead . And then uh we get the the leg cross, which became maybe highly controversial. The most famous moment of the nineties in a movie? I'm trying to think what's bigger. Uh Niggs from Silence Atlanta. Is that late 80s? Biggest holy shit moment? So I was like, I remember my dad, rest in peace, dad. Dad was like . Boy , go back a couple of seconds, nah . I I honestly think, and when I watched it, I caught it, I I've never looked. This is one of the this is one of the most well written scenes of the 90s. Um so when you think about the movie, right? The movie is about basic the movie you guys think I'm about to be freaky, I'm about to be like, okay, can I let me cook for a second? The movie Basic Instinct, it's about primal urges, right? Things that you cannot control. Yeah. But the movie only works if you understand how dangerous the Catherine is and how much he can't resist her. So that scene is in conflict because that scene has to establish how dangerous she is, but it also can't betray the fact that we see how dangerous she is. All of these police officers see how dangerous she is. And he still has to be primarily drawn to her. So she has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room. By the way, so does the audience. Exactly. Right? Yeah. Exactly. For us as well. She has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room. But if she is smarter than everybody in the room, it breaks the deal with the audience because, then you go, well , we know that she's the murderer, right? We know that she's gaming them. Why would he still want her? Then she lets that thing out. Yeah. And let me tell you something right now to all the ladies in the audience, if you want to end the audience the argument or the speculation, let that thing out. If you let that thing out, you win. All right. Stop playing the game. I wanna play MLB. Let that thing out. Be off the game. Okay ? And so when that happens, that reinjects this primal urge into the scene and it completely wipes his mind and our mind and everybody else, he gotta go get that thing. Yeah. And Newman violated some HR laws, I think. Newman's like ell I I was gonna hit this in unanswerable questions, but he's not in the movie after that. It's like did seeing Catherine's vagina kill him . Did the SCC TA drop fucking dead in the bathroom stall, cranking one out 10 minutes after that? Everyone else is looking at the lie detector and is like, you can beat the machine. No, you can't beat the machine, and Newman is dropping de He's not in the director's cut. No. It's just he makes an early impression and that's it. I think Dan's point is really important because like there are there are five dudes in that interrogation for no reason other than that every she like they're all wrapped right and so the fact that the trick of that in addition to the very obvious one is that she is like in command and they're in her power even though she is so clearly should be the one who's like, what is happening here? Even the way that scene is lit, the way it's staged, like that doesn't look like an interrogation room at all, right? It looks like she's like on display at a gallery . So there was controversy about that scene. Yes. That we should mention. She said it was filmed without her knowledge and it turned into a he said she said that I forget what year in her memoir Sharon Stone says that they asked her to take her underwear off because it was Stop the movie from coming out. They were gonna and then she just but then she was like, you know what? Like I signed up from it, that is me. And she decided to do it, but not without reservations. And then it wasn't in the script either. And Verhoeven , pervy Dutch guy, remembered something similar happening when he was in college and decided to weave it in. Anyway. Cool college story. Yes. Record scratch. Uh quick quick one . I was in college and she took that thing out and I stopped playing MLP FIFA and that is the end of the argument. Bang out. Dance down with the Dutch. Uh the car chase is really good. Just wanted to mention that. Really good. She kind of dusts them in the car chase. Yeah. Come on, shooter. She was in a Porsche or something like that. A lotus. A lotus. Nick's by Catherine's place and she uses the ice pick and does the uh how much coke you do, Nick. You're gonna make a terrific character. She's making out with rocks in front of him. That seems good. Yeah. The uh Catherine and all the papers are there, right? So he starts to realize in that sequence like how much she knows about him, how she's studying him. Yes. Yeah. And then she stops by Nick's place, she does the ice pick thing for him. Shoot her. He's now he's smoking cigs. You know the wheels are coming off. He's drinking . He's ordering doubles at the bar. He's smoking. Uh and now we're going to my favorite scene. Nick goes to the nightclub. We get the song we played earlier, Blue by what was that band? Latour? Latour. Latour. Latour? Yeah. Latour. Uh Nick's the oldest guy in the club by I'm gonna say 16 years . And he's wearing a V-neck shirt that his aunt gave him for Christmas in 1985. He's like, I'll wear this, I haven't worn this yet. And uh goes into the bathroom, which is I has anyone ever been in a bathroom like this? There's 50 people in the bathroom. They're all doing cocaine, they're playing like cards. I don't know what bathroom is this. Most of the characters on industry. We were talking about this last night. This is like just like a regular third episode of a season of industry to be. Yeah. I don't know Van is fucking quiet right now. I'll just tell you. So Van you What happened? Okay . Um Roxy is throwing, I think, 130 miles an hour in this scene. Oh, yeah. The catcher's mitt actually breaks. Yeah. She breaks the mitt. Yep. And Douglas is I again I'll put this against Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber. I'll put this against Mike Myers and So I'm Married Max Burger . Name a funny movie . Nothing's funnier than Douglas in this scene. Trying to be sexy. I'm not too old to be here. Dance guy. Really special. The only thing that could have been funnier is if he danced. Yeah. But he makes the choice to be like, what would this guy do at this club seeing all this shit? This is like every primal instinct coming out. And he's just like, I would just stand there. So you're watching you're like, this has to be the unintentionally funniest thing that's gonna happen with Michael Douglas in this movie. Think again. Um because we go to the sex scene, um where he also gets up after and wins the William Peterson. Honestly, dude, I'm not sure we needed to see your balls award . Does it twice? Does the walk talks to Roxy? Does the let me ask you something, Roxy , man to man. Then does the pivot and does another walk. He's like, did you see my balls throwing butt crack? Yeah, yeah, here they are again. Yeah. And he just and the side dick before that. So this is what happens when you've made ten straight years of hundred million dollar movies. You just start walking around completely naked in the bathroom. Uh this is just the tour de force. Anything to add, Mal before we move on? I think this is a very important scene. We've talked about the side dick, the oral sex face, watching the blowjob in the mirror. I think the fact that in terms of just actually the clues, not that you're really thinking about the clues, but it is like beat for beat parallel to what we saw in the buzz scene. So you're very titillated by what you're seeing, but you're like, is he gonna get stabbed by an ice pick, right? And like even the folds of the bedding. Yeah, the headboard has like the slats so that she can tie them up, breaks out the uh airmaze or hermes as it is called in this film, astonishing stuff, scarf out and ties them up. It's just start to finish pretty incredible. The tearing of the backflesh. I think that these are some of the most guttural orgasm sounds ever committed to the public record on film . And you know, when I was younger watching this for the first time, I was like, it reminds me of how I think people today read like Fourth Wing or A Court of Thorns and Roses, and they're like, I'm taking notes. Okay, this is how you could do something to like lead to a 27-page chapter about going down on your girlfriend on a throne. Got it. Okay. Like people were watching this, studying it, trying to learn, not you. Yeah, well, there are fairies in Court of Thrones and Rosen. I can tell you've read them, Dragon Riders in Fourth Wing. And then you watch this now as a like a middle-aged person and like the angling of the back, I'm like, is she about to like turn into Nagini ? Like, I just worry about everybody's pain. I see them looking into the mirror up top. I'm like, if I had that now, I would just say, like, are my hips properly aligned so that I'm not gonna wake up with lower back pain? It's a very different relationship as you age . It's an it's an amazing athletic performance. It is. Yeah . It is . It is . Yeah, I don't know what his dick looks like the next day, but it's not going straight . It's there's definitely a couple couple turns. Uh I have two more scenes. Nick goes to see Catherine the next day and she kinda deflates the balloon a little bit. Yes. Roxy didn't know what she was in for. Oh, she's seen me fuck other guys. Just like sticking it to him. I told her I thought it was the fuck of the century. I thought it was a good beginning. Say Nick came in that bitch like he was the man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was the fuck of the century. Is he still wearing the sweater or did he change? I can't remember if he was the sweater the next year. Yeah, the bomber. He has the bomber over there. All of a sudden he's become Danny Zuko . Like he went from being like a regular cop to now he's the coolest motherfucker in the world. She's like, yo, dawg, pump the bricks. I used to fuck a boxer. Like you know what I mean? It's like, get the fuck out of here . Uh and then just the ending with the twist where you think she's gonna kill him. I think those are all the rewatchable scenes. What do you got, CR? What's your most rewatchable? Nightclub 100 out of 100. I mean the sex scene's cool, but like the nightclub has so much going on. I love that the drug dealer gets to dance with them that he's like, yeah, you know, like here's some coke. Can I join? Like, hey. That black guy is in every 90s movie. For some reason, they got a nigga with a flat top and a vest, no shirt, who knows all the choreography to everything. Isn't that guy comes back? Glenn Plummer plays that guy in Showgirls. He comes back, he's dancing with a random white girl. He's I'm telling you, that guy, I never saw him in Baton Rouge. So we all have the nightclub scene or what do you have now? I think it's fuck of the century. I've across the course of my life diagrammed that like I'm scoring a baseball game. Yeah. Like it's gotta be that. So we not gonna be' ablere to interrogation scene. Wow. The interrogation. But like the triple horn scene, right? Which is obviously a very I mean, come on, man. We're it's a controversial scene. It's problematic. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's a very problematic scene, but like he runs that's the first time we really see them together. Yeah, and it's like very it shows that legitimately the moment that he meets Catherine his character changes immediately. Right. Becomes like once again more primal like more driven by whatever this thing is in his body that he can't control . What's the most nineteen ninety two thing about this movie . What do you have, CR? That's got Bart Simpson on a keychain. Yeah. Yeah. Mistaken for a gun. You have one band ? Yeah. So in this movie, only the attractive people have sex . So there a bunch of people in the movie, but only the people that look good having sex. If they made this movie right now, there'd be a random scene of Hoss hitting something from the back. But in in this movie, like the desirable people, desirable people, they have sex and everybody else is a bunch of fucking past rami-eaten cops that get to go, oh, you fucked that last night shooter. We like like, but in this now, we have democratized sex scenes. So Haas would have got to get down with the Haas and Roxy would have had their little situation if it was happening to this is an amazing point because to the guys on the force Nick is Austin Butler. Like they're so fucking gross. They're like they're even happy when they're like Nick is breaking every law, but goddamn man . I have a couple of 1992 things. Quitting cocaine for three months? Yeah, yes Those green police computer screens really bring me back to the nineties when you're just trying to read your I honestly you would go blind if you looked at those things for too long. But some of the prompts they're writing in are kind of chat GPT where they're like, well , 1967. And it's like, oh, okay . Um calling a condom a rubber? Sure. Yeah, yeah. So very 90s to me. I don't think do we do we say rubber in the same way anymore ? Um that's a question for you. I was 12 . And then uh Sharon Stone hosted the April 199 2 Saturday Live to promote this movie with musical guests Pearl Jam. Their first SNO performance. Look at that. And they look like they're like 22 years old. So there you go. Uh, what's age the best? All the San Francisco location stuff. By the way, I was I was warned by multiple people not to say San Fran . Apparently it's an annoying habit. Pete the the San Francisco people don't like . So do you have a nickname for San Francisco or no? Frisco. SF ? What do you say, Craig? SF, probably. So when someone says San Fran, you're just like fuck this person. I fucking said it. And by the way, uh fuck you guys. I like like like I said it and I Logan's right there. I was trying to like shout out everybody, give it up for Logan Murdoch. But like I said it when I was trying to fucking compliment y'all city. Nobody told me that shit. I didn't get the email. So Frisco, the city, all of that shit. Shout out to y'all. I guess that uh we mentioned this earlier for what stage the best, one of the great cigarette smoking movies ever made, Sierra. Yeah. Who would you give if we could only hand out one Sean Penn? I brought my own pack award for excellence and on screen smoking. It is Would you go Stone or Douglas? Douglas, because you you can see that the cigarette is the highway to hell for him. Oh. Interesting. And I feel like it's the cigarette that unlocks everything. I have more what saves the best, but what do you got, Mal? Well I j I just I'm shocked you didn't say the first shot of Catherine on the deck that we spent so much time talking about. It's good. Draws your attention to the jagged rocks, the danger of the person and the setting, all of it. Um, let's see. The score you already mentioned is is quite good. Uh the dong, the nudity, the explicit sex, Sharon Stone. We've talked about all of it. I think I think the way props are used, like objects, you mentioned the key ring, obviously the ice picks, uh the hand ties, the ceiling mirrors, the matching Picasso. There are these like little aspects of every setting that really become central drivers of the plot in a nice way. I got one. Yeah. Uh men fucking with women who will eventually destroy them. So this movie should be required viewing for anyone who's thinking about dating a Kardashian. Timmy. Oh I know it seems good now, brother. Yeah. But I was there for nine years. It's not gonna work out. I had uh Johnny Boz's apartment which has a Picasso yeah yeah Catherine has a Picasso no maid service yeah um I like I really like Michael Douglas I have down his uh his hesitation . I can't believe this broad laugh that he does where he's just like drinking a paper cup of water. Yeah, yeah. He's it's like his his little weird flirty thing. Some of the Nick Catherine exchanges, fuck like minks, raise rug rats, live happily ever after. Like there's just like good screenwriting stuff in this. And then uh now, I can't believe you didn't mention this. Well she got that Magda Cut and Laddie pussy on her that donut fry on her brain . Yeah Gus like you know he's dead the moment you see him. You're like uh guys overweight, he's a buddy, he's gonna drink too much, he'll he'll make it. You do the pool. If he's gonna be 18 minutes left, he'll be dead. You know it's happening. Uh pretext San Francisco. Yeah. I would also put in there. San Francisco. I used to come here a lot in the nineties because uh some of my best high school college friends lived here. And San Francisco was fucking awesome in the nineties. And it was it was uh a great place for young people. It was just it was really cool and obviously has gone through a lot of transformations over the years, but uh just seeing it, don't make a face van. I'm saying into the propaganda. The fucking shit is beautiful. I seen that fucking building. Georgia City . What's that pointy building? What's it called? The pointy one from Star Trek. Do y'all know the name of the pointy one? I see that bitch. Trans American, whatever the fuck. I like I saw that. I was like, yo, man, this shit is cra zy. Are we done with what stage the best? Can we move on? I had one thing, which was it takes like from what for me it took a bunch of viewings to notice this. Is there is a brief moment when Douglas goes to uh Beth's house, he's like come in and he she's like, Oh, my lock is broken. Yes. And it's like basically the only detail you get that Catherine has set Beth up this entire time and is like placing articles in her house and she's gotta put that revolver behind the book. Change your locks, maybe, but like it's a great otherwise the whole movie almost falls apart at the end. Which it kind of does anyway. Did you have another great shot, Gordo, for best shot? Uh there's a bunch of really cool shit in here. On debont's really good, but the push-in on Catherine saying I'd have to be pretty stupid to write a book about killing and then kill him the same way I described in my book. Like and she's saying it to the audience where it's like almost breaking the fourth wall. Right. Uh we have we don't get to give this out of that, the Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Catherine's house. Yes. Uh so the exterior is in Stinson Beach and then the interior stuff was in Carmel by the Sea, which is not that close to her. Um about thirty-five mil right now for this one. Um Great Bay window , great deck, easy access to a completely scary beach. Uh CR you have a flex category, what do you got? Yeah, I mean, you guys tell me, I feel like the Ed Norton reverse dunk award did this movie need a random sports scene . There's a little bit of Niners like at the end, like at the diner and stuff, but could we not get George Seaford in this movie somehow? What do you mean like Nick goes to like a Niners practice and has like young young Montana thoughts? Goss has lost a ton of money on the Niners or something. Yeah. Oh, I got one. Karen used to fuck somebody on the Niners . Maybe Karen or Karen. Katherine. I'm drunk. Catherine used to like white woman, Karen, whatever. Um so she used to fuck somebody on the Niners so they go to interview And it's Jerry Rice. And the name of her new novel is Rice. Rice. Mallory, you don't get a flex because you have your own award. The Mally Rubin Award for Did this movie need a better sex scene? Oh shoot. Okay. Well, like a third of the runtime is sex scenes, basically, right? We have the opening buzz scene. We have Nick, I'll incorporate some just nudity that's very central as well. Nick watching Catherine change in the mirror for the first time. The Nick Beth rape scene. Uh we could make that better by not having it or not doing it that way, I'd say. Um Nick watching Catherine Change again through the large beautiful picture windows that you were just uh commenting on with the real estate, right? And reasonable to assume that she knows he's there. So put a pin in that. I'll be coming back to that in a second. We've got the fuck of the century. The fireplace chaise scene. So this this we enter a different point in the movie now where we're like not seeing the sex. Right. This is the like make love to me. And then we cut and they're cuddling in front of the fire. It's like this is not the movie that I signed up to watch. Why am I not seeing ever y second of that? And it ends up being very relevant because that's when she's planting the Lisa nuggets about Beth in this vulnerable moment. Then we get Catherine at Nick's apartment, some nudity, and then again, we don't see the sex scene insane. Then we cut to them cuddling in the window I think that there are a couple opportunities in the established sequence of the film to just show us all of the sex again, which I would have supported . And then, of course, the final sex scene, which once again mirrors the Boz beats spine-bending maneuvers, and then the forward thrust, and then like, okay, she didn't kill him. So here are my suggestions: give us the full sex scenes in the ones we cut away from the making of to me, fireplace, chase, and the window nook. But I think for like the fourth or fifth rewatchables in a row, so this is something I'm gonna reflect on later, I would like to suggest that the movie include a masturbation scene. Because it actually doesn't make sense that that's missing. And I think when Nick follows- Nick has calluses . Well, n yeah, I'm like, how is how does Nick's dick have skin on it if his hand has that many calluses on it? Like, use some lotion, my guy. Come on. But I'm talking about Catherine, naturally. He follows her home. Someone said yes. Someone said yes. Yeah, a visionary . He follows her home and he she is she just immediately gets undressed, drapes her open, giant window. She definitely knows he's there because he is the worst tale in the history of it. He really is. At no point in the movie does he follow somebody and they don't know that he's behind them. So she knows he's there and purposefully she gets undressed in front of the window, leaves the lights on, and then as she walks away, turn the lights off, which I think is confirmation that she knows he's watching. There's a couch right there. Go for it . Right? He throw so you throw it some solo action. Okay . And then we mix in a mix in a Newman scene as well. Oh Newman song. Yes. Let's see. Yes. Yeah. Uh real toss-up. Let's either see Newman jack off or Catherine masturbate. I'm splendid on her couch. Honestly, yeah, I'd never seen anything like that before, yeah. Oh my god . Holy mackerel. We don't get to give this award out. Craig, you were here when this word was created, the Steven Segal Hard to Kill award for did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator? Um Clearly. I'm gonna s I'm gonna say yes on this. Yeah, I'm gonna say yeah. I'll give this a yes. Yeah, okay. Uh Butch's girlfriend award for week link of the film. I got this one and it it really jumped out at me. What the fuck is Hazel Dobkins doing in this movie? Oh, this is mine too. Unless you subscribe to the online theory that she is the mastermind of this entire film. Oh and that that's why Catherine seems so deferential towards her and she's often at the house when Nick arrives, is like Hazel's like in the background. Like what message boards are you on? Uh R slash basic instinct . And uh no, but it's like it's either one or the other. She's either like they kind of wrote her into the movie and kept her like appearing throughout it, or she is the Joker. What do you think of that, Van ? What do you mean? Hazel Dobbins being the Joker. I really thought that this was the way white people had sex back in the day . Because like I look at her now and all of her writing skills, they're completely obsolete now . We have new technologies, she wasn't making no circles, she was just going crazy. And then like when you when you when you see showgirls, it's the same thing. When you watch Elizabeth Berkeley and Showgirls, she's in the pool and she's actually like she's on a booking bronco and all, I got fucking spasm and shit like that. But like I don't anyway . Um I I had Hazel questions as well because I think it's one of the more puzzling aspects of the plot. I hadn't considered I didn't . I hadn't considered the Joker thing, but I think another bit of evidence to support this theory is that Hazel canonically killed her husband and three children. Yes. Right? She is a mass murderer, a child slayer. And it is established on the aforementioned computer. Roxy killed the job. That's a joke. That's also insane. She slit their throats with a razor. She's like, I went in a couple years. I'm good. I had that in picket nets. I it it seemed like I would say a short prison sentence for wiping out your family. She gets out nine years. I know niggas in jail fifty-five years for weed Feel guilty. Isn't the weak link of the movie the DNA evidence thing though? Like it's actually like I agree that we just want to watch the movie and have fun, but it is actually disqualifying. Borderline disquali fying like DNA evidence had been in practice since the eighties. This movie is set in ninety-two. There's just absolutely no reason. Every single murder involves every bodily fluid that you could possibly excrete. How are they not finding the kid? Can I can I counter this? Please. Because I had this in what stage the worst, not weakest link. Okay. Um just because 10 years later the DNA she's done in five minutes. But we if you remember the OJ trial in 95, people still we barely knew what DNA evidence was, and people like didn't even really believe it. Well, because he didn't . So um but no, but the DNA is kind of um the sun? Like the DNA is kind of rendered defunct by the fact that she admits that she had sex with the guy. Yeah. So she says that she has sex with him, and she says over and over again that they had sex. So her being connected to him is not necessarily the fingerprints of the ice pick, like there's stuff that they would she's not covered in like blood, her clothing doesn't have a trace of the blood of her freshly showered when he comes over. Yeah, she's that's I don't think that's how it works. I'm just saying if you commit a murder one day as a friend and person who loves you, don't just shower and think you're gonna get away with it. You need to clean up more fully. That's so funny getting a call from CR like 2:30. I took a shower, I'm fine. Come downtown, I did something I wasn't supposed to do, man . Bring a bar of Irish spray That's just get me out of this. I would help you. This is so what's used to the worst for me? I don't I don't know that. Wait what I'm not I gotta do my weekly. Oh you gotta do your week sick sorry. By the way, Van I think you'd be one of my three calls. I don't know where you rank. Hey bruh. Whose car are we taking ? Um you call me, I'll wait . So I had a I had a less auspicious weak wink. So Nick , Michael Douglas' character, attacks Nielsen, the internal affairs guys that he gave up the files, right? It's in front of like 30 cops. Yes. Has to be restrained. He's like ready to fight him. Six hours later, the guy's shot in the head. And they're like, hey, shooter, we're gonna need your gun. Built. He's not in jail. Like that point he's locked up, right? This is what I don't think you caught in that scene where he goes into Nielsen's office. When he goes into Marty's office and he starts like jumping on him, Marty's boss pulls a fucking What the shit is happening? So it's the gun. The SFPD is going nuts. They take the gun, put it in, hey, do something to him. I'll blow your fucking head off . That's internal affairs. There's no fucking laws, man. What a movie. Alright, what takes the worst? Back then they were like, yeah, three months ago this narc killed two tourists while he was high on coke. Now fucks his therapist. Let's promote him to homicide detective and have him drive the suspect who the two of them have making fuck me eyes at each other throughout this completely inappropriate interrogation. Did you know each other? Yeah. My idea is, Nick, find out where Catherine leads. Yeah. And then he abandons his responsibilities all altogether. It's fucking amazing. Watching it at the time, I was like, this is incredible. Watching it now, you're like, I think there would probably be some some reviews . We mentioned the first sex scene is uh I gotta say problematic now, but in 1992 wasn't not problematic. Like it was a big thing when it happened with him and Gene Triplehorn. It was just, it's just a weird choice. I don't really get it. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now at McDonald's, you can get great deals all day with McValue. Jump start your day with the under three dollar menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just a dollar fifty. Or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just $2.50. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Get even more value with McValie, only McDonald's. Ba da ba ba ba. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. This episode is brought to you by Brooks Running. Sometimes in the film world, we see performances on screen that are so mind-blowing you think someone somewhere is bending the rules. Like when one actor plays twins or nails a really difficult accent. 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Uh what else did you have any what's age to worse, man ? No, I was uh all about the way Shanstone was riding Dick. Did you have any more, Mel? I I think that the we've alluded to this, but like the uh beyond just the general kind of shoddy work from the SFPD, uh the solving of the murder . They're like that jacket fit. Yeah. So it was back. She's got a bunch of articles in there. The jacket that says where she works on the back of it, which is definitely a choice you'd make as a murderer. Fit. So it's her. I mean that's just absolutely ludicrous. I had uh I had that in Nitpix, but the same thing. They go to the they go to best kitchen drawer, they open up, there's all this scrapbook stuff. Yeah. And the guy goes, Well, I guess that's it. Yeah, Walker's like serial ticker. Yeah. Yeah. Serial killers Always keep a full binder of cr chronologically ordered incriminating evidence in their kitchen drawer. Always. Crazy. Always. The speed of the elevator in that sequence, also ridiculous. And the fact that Nick has just had this very dramatic moment where he's like looking at the two covers. Oh, which will they go with? And he sees the paragraph about the detective's partner being found in the elevator. And then Gus shows up and is like, Bud, I got a call from Catherine's freshman year roommate. Let's go. And Nick's like, sounds good. That all seems credible. Let's do it. And then he's like, I'm just gonna go inside. A few floors up the elevator that you just read about. And Nick's like, cool. Good luck. Yeah. He just read the page on the printer. And then he's killed shortly thereafter in the exact scenario that was described in the pages he just read. Nick. Terrible. Um like Beth doesn't have blood on her hands at the end. I had uh crazy . The last 40 minutes is a what's age the worst. They kinda yada yada some of this stuff, but I love this movie. Crazy. Um if you stab someone with an ice pick that many times in the jugular in an elevator, you have some blood on your hands. Yes. Like some. And then I had the rip-off erotic thrillers that came after this that were all pretty bad. I think the worst ones probably color night. Especially because uh Bruce Willis pool penis on a 70 foot screen. Well um I'm really excited for this next category . The Rufflow Han and Rubinek Parcher Dover Acting Ward What is this? Some kind of joke . This was anger mechanics. Alright, bands flex. So you have to do how would Van Nathan how would Van Lathan get out of this one? Which is an award we have sometimes. So as Beth or as Nitch? I think you could be you could be any of the three characters here. How would Van get out of this one? Pick a character and go I'm getting out of what though I don't know how would Ben Lathan get out of this all right you're Beth how about your Beth so I'm Beth? No I'm gonna be Nick right okay be Nick So I'm Nick and and you know they're asking me like why I'm hanging around Catherine. Well the reality is this: you say I don't read enough. The woman's an author. Okay? You say I play the game too much. You say that I'm too obsessed with the dog. You say I'm on the computer too much . This woman's an author. She's written books. These books are very well regarded. And what I'm trying to do is deepen my understanding of literature. Now here's the deal. If this was a male writer, you wouldn't have any problem with it. So it's a female writer. So while you're looking at me, what I think you actually need to look at is the mirror. Because the reality is this is a woman, so you feel threatened. I don't feel threatened around women because I empower women. I believe in female writers, I believe in female creators, and this is a female creator. I believe in her, so I'm gonna keep hanging around her. You deal with your things.. Talk to Dr Kraussman on Thursday . Nails it every time. Gaslight. The CR , the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take a word . So I was working on something. I told you earlier, I was like, I have a hottest take, but I haven't landed the plane yet. I think the plane's still circle in the airline airport. U h is this movie a perverted man's version of Gilligan's Island where the professor is caught in between the psychosexual dealings of Ginger and Marianne ? Or the CR is pandoneering to the audience award for safest home field take. San Francisco is the best movie city. Wow . The suck up take. I like it. Now do you have one? I think Catherine is a pretty generous murderer . Oh yeah. I mean , cocaine on the penis . Sure, you're alive to see the ice pick penetrate your nose, your neck, a couple other parts of your body, but you're shooting your load inside of her while it's happening . Not a big . murderer. Yeah Yeah. That's fair. Thoughtful. She could just kill them. Exactly. What do you got, Van? Uh you scratch my back during the fuck section, it's over. Okay. I like I know that like we I I've had this conversation since 99. Hey bro, I was in that shit like crazy dog. She was scratching my backup. I'm like, that's it, it's over, it's done. I don't even like spicy food, I don't like pain. You scratch like you like You bite my neck too hard. Hey yo, uh uh on gato , I feel you, chill. All right. She scratches his shit like Wolverine and seeing Magneto. Yes. And this motherfucker's like, ah, God, whatever I think this is the single worst cop performance ever by a cop in a movie. Yeah. So we get to meet Nick. He's off cocaine for three months. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Three months. It's celebration. Let's have a party. He's killed four tourists in the last five years. Yeah. Yes. But each time was it was it was undercover for drugs, so it's fine. Uh somehow got promoted as CR mention. He's asked to trail this suspect , immediately falls in love with her and goes down this psychosexual path, loses his mind, loses his badge, and then ends up shooting his girlfriend. Murders murders his therapist after he let his partner go up to reenact the page of a book that he just read. Crazy. Let Gustav go up. Yeah. Shoots his girlfriend and then somehow gets away with it and he's back on the streets. I mean, this is like the real dirty Harry. This is it. This is Dirty Harry's lousy Harry. Yeah. Terrible cop. Uh casting what ifs. We mentioned Kim Basinger. Uh Meg Ryan turned it down. Gina Davis turned it down. Ellen Barkin. I'm amazed she turned it down. Merrill Hemingway turned it down. And then it was Demi Moore versus Sharon Stone and By far the funniest casting would if is that Emma Thompson auditioned for Catherine. Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that. Did you believe that? Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Allegedly in one of the original scripts, Nick Curran was originally a lesbian cop written with Kathleen Turner in mind. And then they switched it. Uh Paul Verhoven was supposed to direct Black Rain, which will be on the rewatchables at some point in 2026. Yeah. Uh but dropped out to do total rec all. And then I thought this was amazing. Verhoeven wanted Tom Behringer for Robocop and Basic Instinct. And Behringer is like, no thanks. You're a weird pervy Dutch guy, and I don't want to do a movie with you. I'll be doing sniper instead. Yeah. Uh Milos Foreman was the first choice to direct and do it. And then I don't know what to believe with who is considered for Nick. It was basically every white actor from nineteen ninety two. The two other ones that were really big were Linda Fiorentino as Beth, uh and this is insane . But Brooke Shields is Roxy ? Yeah. Saw that. You don't want to comment? Yeah. She just never would have done it. Um Best That Guy Award, Newman ineligible. Groundhog guy the the groundhog day guy. Oh yeah. Steven Toblaski, he's ineligible. Yeah. Dickie Greenleaf's dad, the principal the principal headmaster from Sen of Woman, James Rebhorn, ineligible. Why is he ineligible? Because he's James Redhorn. Guy Craig guy. The fact that you have to say the guy from Groundhog Day? Yeah. Yeah. I think Roxy wins the that guy award. No, fuck all that. No. No. We you're changing the definition of that guy is like that. That guy means you've seen them so many times and you're like, that guy. We never see Roxy again, except we're dating the Roxy. Right. It's like Who would the most amount of people in this room be like, oh that guy So probably James Redborn. That's fine. What about? Okay, so does James. This is starting five. Jack McGee. Yes. Who plays the serif? He's also in in um in Scrooge. Bruce A. Young, who is the guy who says he had a minute amount of cocaine on the penis and in the rice. Chelsea Ross. Listen, I'm a team player. You can give it to whoever you want. Can we give Roxy the Dean Waiters award though? Definitely package. No question. Is this a Hall of Fame Dean Waiters? I've recently become really obsessed with these Instagram videos where it'll be like Cam Chancellor being like when I was out there, I was looking to kill. And then a fucking Drake song drops and it's just Cam Chancellor hits for like two and a half minutes. They should make one for Roxy. Just with her footage and basic instincts. Oh, I forgot where I was. Yeah. Um , recasting couch director city. So Hazel Dobbins, does the character work better if it's just Jacqueline Bissett? Just throwing that out there. Wow, dead silence from the crowd. Very tough. Let's walk through Tom Cruise as Nick. Yeah, yeah. Let's just I don't want to get in the car with this, but let's take a stroll around the buck . Little younger. I think he brings the same amount of unintentional comedy. Definitely. There's probably a running scene at one point. Probably across the Golden Gate. Yeah. Right. He's running the Golden Gate for no reason at all. Oh yes. Yeah. He's running to Stinson Beach. We'd get we'd get to watch him smoke. I'll see you there. I'll run. We'd get to watch him smoke. Nothing would be funnier than Tom Cruise ripping off Marlboro Reds. That'd be great. Um, him trying to have sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone, who's like working overtime. I would love that. Him nude talking to Roxy in the bathroom. Yeah, nude Tom Cruise. Let me ask you something, Rocky. Man to man. Him in the nightclub scene? Like he's definitely the nightclub . He's going to fucking dance. Yeah. Yeah. He's not gonna be able to stay away. The beat's gonna fucking completely destroy him. Now I don't know if you want to imitate Tom Cruise in the Cunolingus scene . This is turned into E.T. It's like E.T. coming out of the closet. Uh I don't know. I I can see it. I see what you're saying. Yeah. So would you go Cruise or Douglas if you had to redo this? I feel like I would go Cruz. Oh, it's you you gotta go Douglas, man. But do you think Cruise ? Stick him with Douglas. All right, f ine. Uh Craig, you have a flex category. Um Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Catherine Tremell. Yeah. Fantastic planner, messy killer. Reckless stabber. 31 stabs on Johnny Boss. Why? Why do you 30? Act like you've been there before. Jesus Christ. He's dead after five. I thought you were actually gonna say we don't know what kind of writer she was. Yeah. Well I know she was fast because she would just like be like I'm off pause, I'm on to Nick, shooter's done, now we're going on to the next one. Also in the script it says only sixteen stabs. For some reason up to 31. There is when she gives the the copy of the the first the book about the kid who killed his parents in the plane crash. It there's like a newsweek blurb on there about what a masterpiece it it is, and does say on the top, bestseller. Oh, so all the more reason why it would be hard for her to be a mass murderer. I mean leaving the ice pick and the scene of the crime. Like she's just buying ice picks, you know'.s But that her whole game, right? It's's like it the taunt. Yeah, they're the you know, uh the book for the game. No regard for DNA? Messy, reckless, I don't like it . In broad daylight in a car? She got away with all of it. Van, if you were dating her when you went to bed at night, would you check in different parts of the bed for the ice pick just to make sure or would you just let it go? No, when you date crazy, you like you buy in. I would have like a metal detector that w like works like a Roomba . Going around looking for an ice pick all over. Did you guys see that Sharon Stone literally as she was stabbing Bill Cable, the guy who played Johnny Boss, stabbed him so hard it went through the blood pack and pierced his skin and he went to the hospital. Too much. Wow. She's really committed. Get off me. Quick half, fast turning her research. No body doubles used in any sex scenes. Yep. Um we mentioned the five days to film the big sex scene. Douglas declined to go full frontal in the film, which apparently he had in his contract. The patriarchy. The patriarchy is so real. My guy. Well, my contract . I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Side dick, though. So the first sex scene uh with with Douglas and Triple Horn . Um, it was the rehearsal scene, and creepy Perv Verhoven was like, that was good, let's keep that as the main. And they didn't know they were filming it as the real thing. Pretty weird. So strange guy. Um and then in Hollywood Animal, Joe Estherhaus's book, he claimed that he slept with Sharon Stone after the movie came out. That was in the book. Cool. Yeah, I don't I think he was uh Esther Haas wrote this movie over the course of ten days with no outline while listening to the Stones, which is a great euphemism for on cocaine. You can't tell. And then in the making up, I had to bring this up is uh Verhoeven describes Nick as quote, a cop who has gone through some bad times and has done some things that we might consider wrong. Including four murders. Incredible. We didn't do does this movie need more blood Apex Mountain is another category we do where we decide if this was the peak of somebody's something . Got it. Controversial character category. Uh Michael Douglas, I'm gonna say no. Nah. No. No. Sharon Stone, yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah for sure. Joe Estherhouse, yes. Ceiling sex mirrors. Could be. Oh. Has it been done better than this? I don't do you think that this is maybe the the end of the peak of sealing sex mirrors? Like I know Cribs brought it back. Cribs brought it back? I think like three members of the Trailblazers had the ceiling mirrors. I remember. Zach Randolph definitely had it. Love it. San Francisco movies? Probably not. Probably not, yeah. Eratic thrillers. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. When I say yes, all right. Yeah. Freeze frame moments? Like moments you pause on in a moment. Sad dick freeze frame? It's like this . Yeah. Phoebe Cates. What is it for Gene Triplehorn? Because it's probably the firm, right? The firm, yeah. Isn't that like right around this time? Isn't 92's kind of like breaks out of Apex, yeah. Uh Coke and Jack Daniels. Oh, sure. Got Pepsi in the fridge. Elevator murders. I'm gonna go dress the kill. Gratuitous male actor ass shots? I think maybe. Oh yeah, so there was a whole competition. So look, bust this. So he like so he had to show his butt. He had no problem. Right. He had a white butt competition. Right. So it's the apex of white butt competitions. Mel Gibson's butt, lethal weapon, uh, Kevin Costner's butt, Robin Hood, Bruce Willis's butt later on in color of night. Douglas was like, you know what? I got the ass. Douglas the stallion. Gotta do it. But I'm gonna show y'all that I got that and that's the he had to show his butt. He probably wanted to show it. He lost 25 pounds for the film in the movie. He looks great. That shape of his life. We don't get to give this a word all the time, but it's the Floyd Gondoli. Hold on for a second. Apex Mountain, I got a couple of things. Oh, what do you got? Ice Picks . Yeah. Yeah. Apex Moun abouttain. Apex ice picks. Yeah. Thank you. The crowds applauding ice picks. What's happened to all of you? We've we've corrupted you in less than 90 minutes. Ice picks, fucking your therapist? I think this was like way up there, fucking your therapist right here. Not Sopranos? Sopranos. Oh, Sopranos. Sopranos they never fuck. Fantasy scene. But the yeah, the fantasy. Did they fucking Princess uh Prince of Tides? I thought you said the Princess Bride for a second. Yeah. Whoa. Do Stri Strizanne and Nolti have sex in Prince of Tides ? I honestly know that it's probably not any sex to while Woman on top? Woman on top. Woman on top. Yeah. Like it might be kind of man or ladies get loud for that. Now we know y'all like that shit. It only actually feels good to y'all. But like it it like like . Oh Adora, yeah. Like woman on top. Like this is she when she wants to exert her power, she flips over and that's how she does her thing. Woman on top. The Floyd Gondali butter butter in my ass and lolly pops in my mouth the word for something I just didn' Up at the police bar and orders a double. Yeah, yes. And multiple packs go. Oh no. Shooter. Nick's drinking again. One in every time. I just love it. Uh do you guys have any for that, or should we keep going? Uh uh not wearing any underwear. So look, um, I love this, okay? Who told women they had to wear underwear? Men. Don't listen. Okay, let that thing out. You see what I'm saying? And also, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I like doing it. Okay . Last year I got a wax job. Yep. What's going on right now? He he chronicled this on his podcast. Last year I got a wax job. Very memorable. She waxed the entire thing. And like, like three-quarter way through the wax, she goes, I love what you do. And I'm like, this is a little weird, but that's okay. Oh no. And after that, it's just if it feels sexy, dog That is probably closer to the Floyd Gondola We don't get to give this a word out very much. The he got game hooker scene for most awkward scene if someone randomly walks into the room. There's like five different scenes where your mother-in-law's coming down and she thought she was asleep. Yeah. Yeah. Uh pick and it's why didn't Johnny Boss's corpse have a rigor mortis boner? Did it? You want me to Google it? It couldn't. I mean that's why you have the computer. Um when you die, don't you just die like everything's intact? I don't know if it's like getting frozen in carbonate. Like it's like the second your heart stops you're like Are we sure it's not though? Is it do we have a doctor in the house? Um It it is a thing, a death erection. But he doesn't have an erection Thank you. Third deck, thank you. Um we did how did Hazel Dobbins get out of jail at just nine years? She served her time. For a husband and three kids gone. Uh let's let her out. I have a few more, but CR, you have any? I mean, when does Catherine write? Oh, I had this too. She wrote shooter in two weeks. Yeah, she writes a little bit in a matter of weeks and she both most of the time is having sex doing cocaine or driving around San Francisco. Or hanging out on Nick's doorstep waiting for him to come home. Being like, hey, gotcha a house plant. Prolific writer. Yeah, she's a genius. She is. Okay. I got one. Yeah. So after the first time they have sex , you know, this big he spoons her. Nigga, this your girl now but he's in love there now spooning is for Sunday we watching Avengers Endgame on TNT it takes up the whole fucking afternoon , you do not spoon the psycho killer girl that you are investigating. He wants, he's nuzzles up next to her, puts his hand over, she calls him, what the fuck is up with you, homie? He ain't got no homeboys? You spooning? That quick? Sip ass motherfucker. C R. That was it. My picking knit was really about Catherine's writing. Uh I think the fact that Nick gets hit by a moving vehicle, that Roxy drives a lotus into him and he is unaffected. He likes shakes his head once as he gets behind the wheel. Like that's the concussion protocol. One head shake, no blood, no injuries, no damage to the car, which of course then will be damage when it fall rolls over the cliff, killing Roxy, who has no injuries, no blood on her, despite the car being displayed. No internal injuries. Yes. Crazy. Ludicrous. Why did Johnny Boz give all of his money to her? Why was she the only one available to get the hundred million dollars? Was that who she got? I thought she got it from her parents. She got it from her parents from the parents. I thought it was Boss's money went to her after he died. No, maybe he gets hit off of she gets some, but she's rich because of her parents. Because killing her parents. So Beth. Yeah. Yeah. As a nitpick. She falls for the broke cocaine using alcoholic with one friend who shoots people randomly once a year and just had his wife kill her kill herself. And she's like, when are you going to dinner tonight? Would you like to go home? Her her dying word s are I loved you. Yeah. Like this was it for Beth. This guy's 20 years older than her. She's a psychiatrist, so this is like, this is her cocaine. Yeah. Right? Like a good time every night with Nick. This is consistent. though Yeah. So in the departed, she falls in love with like and in the Sopranos, there's always this thing between Melfi, like, what's going on with these therapists? I think they like that type of dumbass shit. Like the danger. Any more nitpicks? Because I'm gonna move on. Uh sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all blackcast, or untouchable. I'd like to at least walk through all blackcast. What is because I feel like they have tried to make Okay, what you talking about? Which one? Like obsessed? No, it's the one with Allie Larder. Oh, obsessed. That's the call obsessed with Beyonce. Beyonce's in the motherfucker. And um and Israel. There's another one with Megan Good. But they have Megan Good. They never really pulled it off. They haven't really pulled it off. There's a thin line between love and hate. Well that actually takes place in the bay. Like with like with uh Martin Lawrence and Lynn Whitfield and stuff like that. It's tough. We don't we don't like depicting our sisters like that. You know what I'm saying? Our sisters don't get obsessed and shit like that. Prestige TV . Definitely only to explain the ending. I would I I don't I mean I guess you could you could do it as prestige TV. I I will note that. Would you go backwards to Berkeley with Beth and Catherine Manny Vasquez ears? Yeah.. The boxing I'd make a boxing show with Catherine as his girlfriend. But you know, they're they made Base Against 2, much maligned. Uh it's horrible. Please don't rent Basic Instinct. A year ago, uh Joe Asterhaas, who is 80 , um reportedly sold a screenplay to Amazon for $2 million that was going to be an anti-woke reboot of Basic Instinct because Basic Instinct is too woke. Uh and he gave this quote. To those who question what an 80-year-old man is doing writing a sexy erotic thriller, the rumors of my cinematic impotence are exaggerated and aegist . I call my writing parter, all caps, the twisted little man. And he lives somewhere deep inside me. He was born twenty-nine, he will die 29 and he tells me sky high up to rate this piece and provide viewers with a wild and orgasmic ride . Do you want to see this? Yes. We should have made you read that as Vincent Hanna. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flor ist , Zane Lowe, or somebody else here Nick man from nights of cocaine field sex to days of shooting tourists, you've done it all. So what is it that gets you fired up? Could it be the best-selling author of mass market paperbacks uncrossing her legs in the interrogation room? And where does Nick Curren go from here ? Incredible . Incredible. Amazing. I was hoping you would do Wayne. Give us give us a quick Wayne. Here's the context . Catherine is on a book tour. God damn! She's on a book tour! She's gone to Baltimore on her book tour. Go. What is she doing in Baltimore? On a book tour for her bestseller. Oh, I was just gonna say, if Wayne was Gus, it would be like, God damn, Nick, you got sweetie bird Give us magna call out a pussy in a Baltimore accent. Do it. Going down to the ocean, hon. Can I give you um Ryan Ruco please announcing the first scene of the movie? Catherine's writing and now she's reaching back. Is she going for the ice pick? You bet ! Shout out to Ruco. Just one Oscar who gets it. Stone. All right. We all agree. Probably unanswerable questions. Dan, was it a big deal when Manny the Boxer died in the ring in nineteen eighty four? Like cover of Sports Illustrated? Had to be a huge deal, right? Like Led Sports Center? Yeah, yeah for whom for I felt like it was a big deal too. Uh that was also another really weird cop moment is when they're like maybe if she put on Afro and did blackface she could be mad at me. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? See? I was gonna let it slide. Uh how long did they date after the movie ended? Well, how long till she kills them, right? Because that's the answer. Is Nick still alive in 1995 ? No . No, Nick's not alive. Nick is died of a rug. Nick's not alive on Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. He mentions rugrats at the grocery store later that day and she stabs him, I think. It's if if he doesn't retract the rugrats line, because she's like, I hate rugrats k.ills She him right then and there. No question. So it's gotta be just a matter of days. I'm always on the unanswerable questions and how long does he last front? Like, at what point is he like, let me see some more of your pages about this detective so that I can just avoid the exact scenario that you have crafted and live a little longer. But he doesn't ask. Nick unravels, he's back on the Coke, and then she just kills him because he's a nice believes in stage. Yeah, he's just had it. She stabs him death. Um should she have just killed him at the ending ? Is that a better ending? No. I don't think it would be like a fun theater going experience if the last thing you see is Michael Douglas dying. Maybe it would be it just, but it would be if the If the movie ends not with his actual death, but with her grabbing the ice pick, like actually grabbing the ice pick, then you leave on something a little bit more. And we do like the Sopranos ending? Kind of saying. I like the I like it just like it is because it's there, she reaches for it, then she retracts. So there's enough to like, I mean, you wanted to debate whether I was curious, I mean like I think I I I weirdly like there's eight percent of me that's like, but Beth could have done could have done it. And Catherine also could crazy the ice pick's just that at the same time. Yeah. I like that this is your like spinning top at the end of Inception. Yeah. You're like, was it moving? It's hard to do. Are we sure? Secret handshake club memorabilia you'd want from this movie. A copy of Love Hurts by Catherine Wolf. Ooh. V-neck shooter. The V-neck sweater. Would you wear it? I mean if I had it. Yeah. What do you have, Craig? Um those those giant red like semen glasses that he wears. Yeah. Imagine I just got those on when you come over. You know what these are from? Great one. That's Johnny Boss's apartment. They're called the C mid Blackes. New from Chrome Arts. Um, what would you have, Van? I want the ice pick. Yeah, of course it's gotta be the ice pick. Or the mirror, ceiling mirror. Mal, the storyboards. Well, I mean that would be great. I would frame them and I would display them tastefully next to my ceiling area. Yeah . The coach Finstock Mr. Miyagi Award for Best Worst Life Lesson. I think it's it's actually worth it to risk it all for the fuck of the century. I think is the lesson of this movie. I think Nick wins, gets a girlfriend, breaks up with somebody he didn't really like that much anyway, gets out of a murder investigation, gets rid of everybody at work that that he kinda hated. Big dub . She's loaded, she's got money, beautiful properties. I think the life lesson is wash your sheets. Yeah. I think the life lesson is what Haas said . That's her pussy talking. It ain't your brain . That happens. Cierra, what do you got for double feature choice? Jagged edge. It's another Joe Esther has thriller, and it's also set in San Francisco. Oh, I like that movie. I had Total Recall. Oh. Fatal Attraction. Double Verha. Oh, Fatal. I had Body of Evidence. The the Douglas scene. Which is the bad version of this movie. That movie's awful. With Madonna and Willem Defoe, which is interesting because the masturbation scene that you said that you wanted. Yeah. They actually do that in body of evidence. Yes. And Willem Defoe is completely unprepared for it. Madonna just fucking goes for it. And he doesn't know what to do. The Green Goblin is like, what works every time. It's a really horrible movie. Uh who won the movie off Sharon Stone. No question. All right. We've never done this on a live show. Craig, we always go to him at the end to see what he thought of the movie, but you'd already seen this one. Well, because we did this five years ago. Yeah. That was when I watched it. But I don't think you asked me on that on that show. Uh this movie is just elite entertainment. We just we didn't know how good we had it in the early 90s. Like I it's it's crazy to me that this movie was reviewed poorly. Like compared to what we have now. This movie looks fantastic. It has like a elite actor, great performance. It's based off nothing, huge star in it, made four hundred million dollars. Like this would be the achievement of the fucking decade if this movie came out right now. Yeah. Agreed.. All right There we go . I would also uh it's a very good four K Blu-ray. Yes. I bet. Yeah. Physical media era. Yeah. The the for the San Francisco scenes . Yeah. Yeah. No, but in in all seriousness though, one reason why this movie holds up or it's so uh good or you can watch it now and digest it so easily is because San Francisco is a character in the movie. Yes. And we're not making as many movies where Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego are characters in these movies. And they are just like those cities are immaculate in terms of the way you can film them. You can't fake beautiful. You can't fake San Francisco. It's like, and so like with that going away makes you have to make this movie like in fucking Orlando or something like that. The volume or something. And it's basic instinct in the volume would be pretty funny. It's fucking stupid, right? Yeah. That's what's its legacy, but also, you know, Michael Douglas saying I I don't remember how often I used to jerk off, but it was a lot. Also important. Calluses. San Francisco's beauty and that. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to have calluses. That's bad. Yeah Yeah, you guys take San Francisco for granted because you live there, but this city's awesome. And it's a really, really , really uh, really great movie location city when you even walk around, you kind of feel like you're in a movie when you're here with all the hills and and everything. I l if I lived here the power walking, I was telling them my legs, my legs would be like Adrian Peterson. I would I would just be I'd be in the greatest shape of my life. That guy don't live here. Um listen, thanks for coming out. We had a great time. Thank you so much. We uh we love this theater, so we're gonna come back. But thanks for having us. Thanks for coming out. Have a great rest of the night. Thank you.