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Did you ranking them or did you get this as a ranking? I'm just putting that in order from 1980 to 89. I think those are the eight. And I thought Top Gun would be in there, but it just didn't make as much money as us. These movies made huge money. They changed the lives of the people that were in them. They infiltrated pop culture for months and months. And I think that's the list. So why this movie CR? I mean, for seven-year-old me, this was the most important thing in the world. Like 84, I don't even think I had a relationship to Saturday Night Live. But this is the perfect mixture of childlike wonder with like adult humor. And so you're watching this movie and you get when you're a kid, you get like twenty-five percent, fifty percent of the jokes, maybe. Yeah. But there's just something about Murray and the tone that you're like, I'm mesmerized by this, as well as the ghosts and the marshmallow man and everything else. So this was to me, I mean, this is like a story about mono culture. This is a story about like I don't know anybody who doesn't like Ghostbusters. I don't know anybody who doesn't like Madonna Princeton and Bruce Springsteen either. It's like 84, we just made stuff that like everybody was kind of like, yeah, it's pretty good or great or I love it or I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, it was funny rewatching it. It's just like putting on like an old comfy sweatshirt that you've had forever. You're like, oh, I love when I put this on. It just feels so good. I just love this. That's what it's been for 42 years. You know, I I was watching the movie and about 20 minutes into it, like I I started to feel so good about the experience that I was having that I tried to like sit up for a second, take a step back and go, why is this happening? Like why does this movie still work like this on me? And I don't know. I wish I could have come up with an answer. Bill Murray makes me feel at home. Dan Ackerroyd and Bill Murray together. Magic. Ghosts in New York. The way I view and think of New York, a lot of it oriented and created by this movie. Like it 's it's I can't explain why it's still so perfect for me, but it did not lose one step. You were a little bit older when it came out. So was there any cynicism about it for you or is there an what could what's your relationship? No, it was the opposite. I was got I was thinking back to 84 , we had no no MCU really. We had a couple Superman films. No MCU really. There was no MCU. That didn't exist. Well, we d DC comics, not really. We see they were all like either on TV or comic Batman. There was Flash Gordon. Oh. For alien movies, we had like E.T. Um , but at that point Murray and Aykroyd are comedy royalty from SNO from the first five years of the show. You have that . You have everyone kind of knew this was a Belushi movie and then he died. Yeah. So that that kind of put that on the radar a little bit. And then they really, really promoed it in the perfect way. Because they put out that no ghost thing. That was out like I ain't afraid of no ghosts. Well just with a symbol. Oh the slash through they did like almost like viral marketing and then they had the MTV, the Ray Parker song, and they had a great video. Great video. And it was on for that whole summer. But this was summer of eighty four, which was the Olympics in LA. It was the height of Michael Jackson and Springsteen and all these different things. Michael Jordan's about to be in the NBA and just pop culture was ready for this. So it was this and Beverly Hills Cop, both in the same year, combined with a million other things. And reading about the movie and like the way it was released and the way it was marketed was huge summer movie that then became what everybody dressed as for Halloween and then became a huge Christmas movie because people were giving each other toys, Ghostbusters toys for Christmas. So it essentially stretched through three quarters of 84 of people routinely going. And you think about like Project Hail Mary will probably make more money, I think, than Oppenheimer they're projecting now. Yeah. Oh my God. But Project Hail Mary is like kind of already out of the consciousness. Like it, I mean, people are gonna see it and people dig it and you know, like my wife only just saw it. But it's not like I don't think people are gonna be dressed as as as Brian Gosling from Project Hail Mary for Halloween. I think you'll probably see more Ghostbusters than you will that. It was also a just a really great idea for a movie. Everything is combined comedy, ghost, but not scary ghost, but kind of scary. It's fun and it's New York City. Just worked. Everything is novel in the movie. Like everything is something that we kind of hadn't seen before. Yeah. We hadn't really seen the Proton Packs. We hadn't seen like we hadn't seen par anormal guys fighting ghosts in this way with a hotline. Everything is brand new, which is a problem that we run into now. Is we compare movies in the age that we're living in right now to movies in the past, and we just forget that like we've seen a lot of shit. Like we've seen a lot of stuff. Yeah. The reason why centers work so well for a lot of people is because that was kind of not in plot, obviously the plot was a little derivative, but that was kind of some shit that we had qu hadn't quite seen before. You talk about original IP movies. Um original IP movies, but even beyond that, forget about that. I'm talking about like this movie, we're talking about like Gozer and like Zool and these ancient demons that they're fighting, ghosts taking over New York. They're doing all of this, but to your point, they're not doing it like seriously. They're never really they're scared, but they're wise cracking their way through it. They fall into a sinkhole and you don't feel like they're any chance they die. I know it's like, oh yeah, they'll get up. This movie, I mean I have is for later and stuff, but like we should talk about now. Like the way that they tell this story is completely different than the way they would do it in 2026. And it was completely different than the way that the sequels kind of worked out, where they're spending way too much time explaining the sort of paranormal mechanics of a lot of the stuff or the history or the cult history of this the occult history of the stuff. This is just kind of like, yeah, it goes to the Goz erian, the traveler, the goat the key key master, the gatekeeper. Yeah, they can't meet. Something bad will happen. Even the way they talk about crossing the streams, they're just like it would be very bad. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's no five-minute extraction. We're gonna get to this. Like, they do all of this stuff. Do you know how many questions the audience would have now? They build the containment center, and we talk about that later. It's like a they say it's a nuclear reactor in the middle of what essentially is like tribeca or something like that. It's like to all of this stuff, what the movie does is it it puts a lot of faith in its performers. Yeah, they explain the bigger stuff and they leave the smaller stuff. They just let they they let it linger. Yeah. So it was fun reliving it through my kids when they got to the right age to watch this, which is probably like six or seven. It's not like that scary. It's there's no sex stuff. It's scary. in the right ways You're not gonna have nightmares at night. It's funny. It's not like subversive sexual humor funny. Yeah, barely anyway. It's just except for the It's not even like a lot of like great jokes. It's just more the people seem really funny. Well, there's not a lot of gags. Yeah, there's not a lot of one liners and gags. Well I I would just I Well, there's a lot of one-liners that come out of the movie, but they're not like well written gag punching. No, it's like Murray commenting on the absurdity of being Ghostbusters throughout the movie. Yeah. Once again, we got to a place in comedies where comedies had to like be really high premise. They had to be really high premise and you had to keep coming back to that prem ise over and over again. 40-year-old guy never had sex. The jokes just write themselves. Every other scene, you can have a joke. We were in an era at that particular point to where the comedic talent was so over whelming if you're talking about Bill Murray or Eddie Murphy, where you could take one of those guys and put them in a situation and they would funny your scene. They would funny the scene. That's basically what Akyroid said. It's like we, just need ed to put him in the place to succeed. This was the best comedy leading man in the world. Yeah. Aykroyd was really good as the sidekick. Probably trading places was the closest where he came to being the co-lead like that. But anytime he tried to veer out on his own with like Dr. Detroit or something like that, he couldn't really carry it. Dr. Detroit. He was always better in a role like this. And I I have a lot of thoughts. It's a great outdoors, another one where it's him and Candy. Yeah. And they're and they're going back and forth. He always needed like a foil and then when he hits the nineties he becomes more of like the Tommy boy type. Like he pops into movies. What it what's your relationship with this movie, Craig? I mean obviously something that everyone knows and everyone loves and all the every kid loves. I saw it when I was really young. Have not seen it since. But yeah, it's just like one of those cultural staples that has always been around. But you didn't find it to be like a kid's movie when you were watching it. Like just this time. No.. Right. Definitely not I think that's the difference with a lot of comedies back then is it used to be for everyone. And now it's like, is it a kids' movie or is it not? Yeah. Because a lot of the jokes I would not have gotten when I was eight years old. No. Like most of them almost. The funniest thing is like the things that make me laugh now are so different than what made me laugh. 100% seven. Did you guys ever watch movies like this with your parents? Sure. So that is something that all that's an interesting experience. Cause now parents, I'm not a par ent, but the sense that I get is that parents don't watch more adult oriented comedies with their kids as much as they used to. I don't know that that that's but when I would watch Ghostbusters, my dad would laugh at the scene when she's possessed. He would laugh at that scene because that's a scene that a older slightly natural. She said, she said, get inside me, he's not gonna do it. Cause she got a demon. He can't do it. She got a demon in her. And so like the whole thing, that is how I learned that I was supposed to find that funny. Right. Like I I knew that like there was a joke being made there that I didn't get. I didn't I watched it, I understood it by watching adults react to it. I remember my parents cracking up at the scene with the mayor. And not just because of dogs and cats living together, but just because of like Ed Koch stand-in negotiating with the Ghostbusters and the cardinal archbishops there and the chief of police. And they were cracking up at this guy, letting the Ghostbusters do whatever they wanted because of Venckman pointing out, you'll have saved the lives of millions of registered voters. And they were like in hysterical about it. I was like, I don't get it. Like it seems like the Ghostbusters made a compelling argument. Do you I don't even do you think Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray and Ray Miss would have said that we are making a kids' movie as they were writing the film. I would say no. They wanted they were trying to make a huge comedy. Because it it used to be you would make a comedy for adults, but you would have elements in it that kids would like. And now it's you make a comedy for kids and you have elements in it that adults will like adults can stomach. Like Zootopia has adult humor in it, but it is a kids' movie first. There is one thing in this movie that lets me know that they at least had a thought that kids would be into it, is that there are no random 80s tits that pop up in the movie anywhere. Sure. We'll get that. And they took some of that, they took some of that other stuff out. Like there was like bad writing on the walls that they decided to change. And just like the the animation of the ghosts, like the guy, like the like cute green ghosting eat all the food. Like that is a kid's. Did he curse him ? He's a d like not really. Not really. Not really. So but the movie is scary at times. The demons turning into stuff. Like the movie is at times like serious. I think it's scary when they're on the top floor of that building when the it's basically the building's been blown out and it feels like they could go off the side of the either side. Also it's just like kind of harrowing funny that like they're like no nudity no profanity these guys can change smoke yeah right oh my god there's so much smoke in this um going back to 84 I wrote a piece I think it was like my second or third year of page two that I thought nineteen eighty four was the greatest year ever for for like people like us. Like with the sports, the pop culture. So you had Beverly Hills Cop Ghostbusters, you had Purple Rain and the Terminator. So you had Arnold's entrance. You had Sixteen Candles and Karate Kid laying the template for the 80s teen movies. You had the peaks of Springsteen, Michael Jackson, Prince, and Huey Lewis. And you also had in February Billy Jean at Motown 25, probably the single greatest television moment of my lifetime. Hulk Hogan wins WWE title. Jordan joins the NBA and Merrill Lemieux joins the NHL. We had the first Bird Magic NBA finals . We have MacInroe, Gretzky, Bird, and Montana in their absolute primes. We have the Peak of Big East basketball. We have a Thursday NBC with Cosby Show Cheers and Family Ties. We have the star to Miami Vice, we have Letterman breaking through the first slam dunk contest, Madonna's arrival, Flutie wins the Heisman, Tom Hanks makes the leap, Howard Stern in the 84 Olympics with no Russians. I can keep going and going. Is this Villanova Georgetown? That was that was 85. But we do have Patrick Ewing in Georgetown. There's like 40 other things I could put in there, but it just felt like I I can't explain it, but everything felt really authentic back then. There they hadn't really put the thought into we have this coming. Here's how we're going to shape it. Here's how we're going to shape the perception of it. Here's how we're going to promote this. Like Ghostbusters is a summer movie that it just came out. It wasn't like summer movie season has begun with Ghostbusters. Things just kind of happened. And it was cool to be there for that. And watching people slowly figure out how to commercialize a summer like that and all the things that happened was really interesting in real time. Yeah. I mean, some of this is like our origin story, and we probably mythologize that time period and to some extent. Yeah, but you were seven and I was fifteen. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So it was two different stages. But I also for you. I think that there's something about like the way that culture worked back then, maybe because it was like they were really first starting to see a new level of how much money they could make. But even if you think back to the pop stars that we were being given, that was such a interesting mix of people and like sexual identity. Prince Michael Jackson . Keep Lewis and Madonna. Yeah. And Bruce Springsteen. So even when Ghostbusters 2 comes out, right , there the Ghostbusters 2 is a reaction to the new culture that we're in. Big song by Bobby Brown, right? Bobby Brown is in the movie. It's almost a meta commentary on the Ghostbusters and they franchised it. They franchised it. Now by the time And felt like they had to get it out before Batman. It's the whole nine. It's just a different spirit. Already changed. Because like everything that we're talking about are people that like came along in an era, and it's not, I'm not waxing poetic about it because the talent doesn't exist now to do this same stuff. It was just the first time we had seen some of this stuff. It was the first time the the infrastructure for blackbuster films wasn't quite there yet. It was getting there. Yeah. And we weren't as cynical about it. There wasn't like a a tie-in to McDonald's or like all of that stuff hadn't been established yet. And so now I actually credit the creativity of contemporary artists because they are really going up against some dogs, some legends. Yeah. Like just some people that were really, really, really unique in their approach and their creativity. We weren't cynical about anything in 1984. I just like believed whatever it's like Michael Jackson, big ladies man. It's like, yeah, totally. I agree. Um but like I remember Letterman, I letter this was like probably the greatest Letterman year. And he was, I don't remember if it was 84, 85, but he would just fuck with people. And it was always like organic. Like he had a bullhorn, he would go out the window and they're filming the Today Show with Brian Gumble, and he has the bullhorn and he's just messing with them, and Brian Gumbel's getting mad, and it's like, oh, he made Brian Gumble mad. And now it'd be like, but just think of it the way that would be dissected now with social media and everything. Where it's like, are they feuding? What's going on here? The history of Letterman versus Brian Cumball. And it's like it wasn't like that. It's also like I miss it. It's amazing to imagine these guys rolling through New York . And this is like when you read the research about them like in New York City at the time. It's like they were mayors. They were the kings. And like the crap. But even then, I bet you're starting to get like everybody's got like this legendary, like I was out and Bill Murray came into the bar at 145 with a Mardi Gras parade and like, you know, the like these fucking, you know, complete urban legends, but like it's starting to build up. And when you watch him work the whenever he's like working the crowd in this movie, you're like, holy shit, like this guy could have run for office. Closing credits are phenomenal. Yeah. It's like one of my favorite parts of the movie. The camera's getting all different parts of New York culture. They're covered in half. Stay plush marshmallow film. Getting into the car, smoking, still, another hard day at the work for the it's almost becomes like a documentary at the end of the day. Dude, they shut down New York , they shut down Times Square, they shut down all around Central Park for days. People were like, This is cool, Murray and Accro leave them alone. They're doing a movie. Um, I just think it's it was just different back then because we almost like didn't know any better. And and I think the Ghostbusters 2 is a really good way to frame this. It's only five years later. Yeah. But by the time that comes out, and there was a bunch of other sequels, some of which we've talked about like, we talked about another 48 hours, but like uh a bunch of the sequels that came out late 80s, early 90s were just money graphs. We get to Batman. Batman is an interesting case study in what it is that we're talking about. Batman is a swing. No doubt about it. The character itself is very well known, obviously, in American pop culture, but Tim Burton at that time is an auteur artist Michael Keaton as Batman. This is a swing. It's not the safest thing in the world to do. However, though, that movie is one of the first movies of that era that was primed to be a box, uh box office blockbuster. With thought put into it. With thought put into it. They already knew that we were into the era of the blockbuster, that the 90s would be huge, huge, huge. They they had already, it's 89 when that comes out. All the lessons from the 80s have been learned. So while it's an 80s movie, they knew there were sequels after 19. They knew they had sequels that were coming. They they had everything, they had the tie-ins, they had all of that stuff done. So it is very pure what we're talking about, but at the same time, it's a reaction to the movies that came out in the decade prior to it. Last Crusade was a little like that too. Yeah, like Last Crusade . Yeah, it's a good very calculated with the attack was like really kind of comes to a f like a head with Jurassic. Because Jurassic is like it's non-negotiable. You're going to see this and you're gonna love it. There's dinosaurs and there's already shit to buy before the movie even comes out. Collector's cups. But can I tell you The Last Crusade is actually a really good example of this because to me, it took a long time for that movie to be properly appreciated. Yeah. Because of the way it was when it came out, and it was such a big deal. It was maybe the first event. But they had like a Pepsi advantage. They had the whole deal was the whole deal was a big corporate thing. And I think that that hurt. And they have Sean Connery in the movie. They actually cast somebody to be equally yoked to uh Harrison Ford in it. So it was a movie star vehicle big summer event. But there's stuff about Ghostbusters in the making of it that does kind of like project onto like even today where they're like they have a release date before they have a sc ript. You know, like they have , you know, like there, there are certain like parameters around this movie. I think they knew they Murray was like not knowing until they were like that he was doing it. Yeah. Um I don't know. I miss it. I miss not knowing a lot about a movie. Like all we knew from this movie were a couple commercials. We didn't place about the stories about it anything. Like, I know we all approach this differently. I try not to know anything about a movie when it's coming out. Like, even when we went and saw Sinners, like I don't think I 100% knew there were vampires. I or I knew something was going on, or we or that it was going back to 1980. There's something I didn't know about it because I had been so steadfast of avoiding everything. But these in 1984, this would just pop out. We knew Prince was making a movie. Sure. Knew that the video would come out kind of before the movie and that was the first taste of it. Other than that, you didn't know anything. And it was kind of the audience would decide. And that's how it went. But now you have to know everything to get people to go to the theater. You half of Kale Mary, you think that was the case? Yeah, I mean they certainly reveal I think It was gossling. You knew certain You knew he was gonna see the trailer gives away that he meets an alien out there. A lot of movies tease the twists in the trailer now because they just need to sell as much as they can to get you off your ass to go into the theater. So they have to tell you basically what the whole story is. Yeah. Because they're premise heavy, because we don't have the same crop of stars that we used to do. Well, and Spielberg is doing the opposite with his current movie where he's not showing anything from the third act in the trailer. And it's a risk because it that's why the trailer is not that. I think that if you were watching three months of Ghostbusters trailer, if Ghostbusters was coming out now, you would have seen sixty-five percent of the good Bill Murray lines in trailers. Yeah. So you would you would have seen this chick is toast already. Right. I I also think that like at that point, and I was I don't have any memory of Ghostbusters when it came out. I don't remember a time when I didn't know Ghostbusters. Like my relationship to Bill Murray on Saturday Night Live was me going back through. Backwards through Ghostbusters, me too. Backwards through Ghostbusters. For whatever backwards through like uh whatever the the the the fucking film is, like me going, oh my god, where this guy get his start? And really like the Eddie Murphy, for me, the Eddie Murphy Saturday Live VHS was just a big part of my ability to like appreciate Saturday a lot. Huh? So I had Murray with the SNL reruns, because they used to show them in prime time. Yeah. Meatballs, Caddyshack, Stripes, Tootsie . And he would pop on Letterman every once in a while. But it was like, What if that guy's in a comedy, I'm going. Yeah. Like he is you see his face and you go, I'm gonna have a good thing. This is the Piquez. It's it's crazy. One of the I didn't really fully realize this until we did the research. This movie was so big. Murray didn't do another movie for four years. Yeah. He like got freaked out by how powerful and enormous this became. And it made him rethink like everything. And Ackroyd wasn't either. He did Razor's Edge before Ghostbusters. That was supposed to be his like here's my here's my serious actor. I'm a serious actor as well. Ackroid did spies like us in 85 and drag dead in 87 pretty rocky after that right man and ramus it worked out better for those guys but um it's pretty you see this sometimes where something's so big that people don't almost know what to do. Like Leo did Titanic, and I what did he make? One movie in the next five years. Did the beach. Did the beach, and that was it. So they're like, oh shit. Um post Blues Brothers, Aykroyd was fascinated by the supernatural and quantum physics and parapsychology, all this stuff. And he wanted to trap ghosts and do a movie with him and Belushi trapping ghosts. This was 1981. And he was inspired. I never saw these movies. Sean probably has them on 4K. Avnant Costello hold that ghost. Bob Hope, the Ghostbreakers, the Bowery Boys, Ghost Chasers. So he wanted to do a comedy ghost movie, but have it rooted in actual research for how this stuff would work. Writing the Belushi scenes for the movie the day Belushi died. Like he tells that story in the in the Bob Woodward book. Um and then had to audible didn't he was going to do it. It was originally called Ghost Smashers so he has this whole thing shows it to right man right man's like this would cost a cajillion dollars and it was set in the future i think yeah it was like he's like can you put this on earth so they get ramus um and they pitch it. So this is why I get dubious of some of the casting what-ifs, because Reitman says he goes in, pitches this movie. It's gonna be the three of us, we're gonna rewrite it. Um they're gonna be the three Ghostbusters, Murray, Ramus and, uh Akroid, and we're off. Then there's like a hundred casting whatever. So I don't we're gonna go to later. I don't know what to believe. So they rewrite the movie, they decide Ramus is gonna be the brains, Aykroyd's the heart, Murray's the Murray's basically the wise ass . And they said it in New York City. And we're good to go, Van. Done. Do it. And and it's by the way, in the horlback scale, hour 45. Right there. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't even know what I would cut. I think it's kind of perfect. Yeah, I think anything in the hour 40 is fine. Just to just to go back to something Van was saying a little bit, there's something different about this than Stripes and Beverly Hills Cop to me, where Stripes and Frelials Cop feels like 1970s scripts that they were like, this has been kicking around or like we have an idea based on something that is already been done. Yeah. What if Eddie Murphy was the cop? What if Bill Murray was the soldier? And what would we do with that? This feels new. This feels like something that's like, like this and Back to the Future feel like movies that I'm like, I don't think they could have done this in 1976. It's good to bring those together because those are back to the future is the next year. Yeah. Those are the two where it's like, I'm sure when they were working on this, they were probably like, is this gonna work? Yeah, is this gonna work? But also like this might be massive. Yeah. Cause you might have a feeling because you're catching lightning in the bottle with some of the stars. But yeah, it's a it's a good point. Like they both have like iconography where you're like the skateboard and in you know, the inventing skateboarding basically. Or like, you know, the the Ecto one and the jumpsuits in this where you're like, man, I just feel like these guys just they got six or seven new things and six or seven things that are just a hundred years old and solid, and they put them together to make something nobody had seen before. And the movie is very 80s. Like I thought about things this time. She's a concert violinist. Yeah. Cellist, right? Like a cellist. Like she's a concert cellist. And not really addressed or shown . Not really addressed or shown. There's no rehearsal. But she is an artist. She is a woman about her times that living in Central Park West. Living in Central Park West. Like he walks into it and he goes a lot of space in here. She's a successful lady. Her entire independence is upended by the fact that she has an uninvited guest that she can't kick out, which is the ghost. So like it's almost zool, a meta commentary on like the 80s woman. Like all of the stuff that's happening in the movies, the movies is very 80, it's very 80s because there's a cultural explosion that's happening around that time that the movie takes advantage of. Murray is on an all-time run that we mentioned. 7984 meatballs, Caddyshack, stripes, Tootsie Ghost Ghostbusters. I mean, Jesus. He's been living off that for 42 years. The guy can do no wrong. Ackroyd had blues brothers. He did neighbors and Dr. Detroit between trading places and trading places, which if we're talking about all these, like, and we've done a lot of them on rewatchables, trading places is just a kick-ass conventional movie. Yes. With major stars. This movie is a kick-ass movie that had the chance to grow in a different way. Well, you talk about the casting what ifs like trading places, there's of there's ten versions of of the two guys in trading places. You could do that with Charles Groden and Robin De Niro or something like that. You know, like you could pick pairs and make a lot of those movies work. You could pick pairs and make 48 hours work. Maybe not on the level it does. Beverly Hills cop. You could find a Detroit cop going to Beverly Hills. I don't know . You look at the casting motifs, even if you just do a fake fantasy draft of like who would you want as the four ghostbusters? I there's no way to top this. This is the Beatles. How much, how many digestible science fiction blockbusters have we had before this? Obviously, Star Wars was a gigantic thing. Because like Alien wasn't a blockbuster. Right. I'm talking about Alien. Aliens was a blockbuster, I think, in 86. Sure. Movies that deal in like paranormal. There's ghost stuff. This film has to play in middle america like but it's a it's a scientist close encounters like those movies were like big films i'm talking about like in this way like for a comedy for them to kind of do this version of it's failed a hundred times. Right. Yeah. It usually doesn't work. And honestly, I'm not sure how this movie worked. I think this movie's pretty crazy. There are like a hundred lines where I'm like, oh, that is actually now just something I say with for by f and I forgot it came from Ghostbusters. Do you know what I mean? Like an aside that you make roo routinely. Don't cross the streams actually became like pop culture. Yeah, like there was people would just ask if that's did that come from this movie? Yes. Like peeing crossing streams that this this entire movie is a piece of pop . Like the fact that uh myth busters something is called anything like anything busters is like this entire movie is uh just yeah, there's a bunch of those with this. Yeah. Um Sigourney Weaver. Oh, what's that? Actually, we'll take a break and then I gotta talk about Sigourney Weaver . This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now, McDonald's, you can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right. Jumpstart your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just $1.50. Or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just $2.50. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Gotta love the McDoubles. Get even more value with McValue only at McDonald's. But uh limited time only, prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher Sigourney Weaver fought for the part . Smart. They were like, You're a dramatic actress. You went to Yale. We're intimidated by you. You're six feet tall. And she's like, I'm really funny. You got to try me out . She does from a 10-year span, 79 to 89, Alien, Ghostbusters, Aliens, and Working Girl, which are four of the biggest movies of that stretch. She was also an eyewitness here, Living Dangerously, Deal of the Century, Gorillas in the Mist, and Ghostbusters 2. Stealth case for winning the 80s? Yeah. For female actresses, for actresses. I don't know who else is in there. I'd have to see Meryl Streep's 80s. Yeah, Meryl Streep. I don't think she had she probably not blockbusters. Yeah, not blockbusters. Yeah. I think Melanie Griffith's probably in there. Melanie Griffith's name. But I think Sigourney has the best mix of like Blockbuster with she has versatility. She has blockbusters. She has a she has rom com, she has blockbusters, sci-fi stuff she has a pretty good. Can I hear Diane Keaton's 80s? Oh Diane Keaton's 80s that has like baby boom. I don't think she had it because some of it's from the seventies. Okay . Yeah, it's tough. Well, we we already figured out that Renee Rousseau won the nineties a few podcasts ago. Congratulations. Just convincingly, too. Just destroyed everywhere. What's our NBA comp? What's the what's the really devastatingly effective championship-winning NBA player that nobody remembers how good they were when they were on top of their game? Segourny Weaver? No, I'm talking about Renee Russo. Oh, Renee Russo. Oh. Renee Russo was a problem. Highlight reel? Like yeah. Yeah. Hey, look look at Renee Russo's bang. Like nine bangers. Nine bangers. Yeah. Not missing. I think she's the second most rewatchables library actress. She might be. I think it's sh it's Meg Ryan and then her, something like that. Um yeah, so Sigourney and then Dave was the only other comedy she did, which ironically was with Ivan Reddit, but she had uh good timing. I don't know. There's she's so tall. Like if there's other actors that could have been in this that I think it would have been bad. I mean, just her is like a relatively tall guy. Interactions with Moranis are like they're just funny to look at together. Yeah. It's just, it's just like as soon as he comes out of his apartment, you're like, you gotta be fucking kidding. Yeah, it looks like Wemby with like Stefan Castle. Um Ray Parker's theme song. Do you have any Segwarni Weaver or you want to save it for later? Oh, I'll save it for later. I'll love it. Okay. Okay. I figured. Yeah. Ray Parker's theme song, number one for three weeks. The video is number one on MTV, directed by Reitman. Featured Chevy Chase, John Candy, George Went, Dana DeVito, Carly Simon, a million people, and everyone's dancing down the streets of New York City. And they closed Times Square, which they kind of stopped doing after the eighties, and I think vanilla sky was like the last anything that got them to go to the case. Yeah, it's like you have to do it now at dawn, but they were probably like three three forty-five p.m. we're just gonna shoot Ghostbusters. So then it turned into this whole scandal with the Huey Lewis song. Yeah. I want a new drug . Yeah. Which is a what's age the worst for this movie because uh there's a lot of research on this. Like they wanted Huey Lewis to do the song. They put I Want a New Drug as the temp song in some of the early scenes. And then Ray Parker had a week to write the song, and it really does sound like the same thing. So there's some mystery lawsuit that we've never heard the loss financially did okay . I think he did okay. Yeah. 'Cause he he bounced back like the next year he did the whole back to the future joint thing. And like he had two albums that sold like twenty million dollars. You know what? I'm glad we have 'em both. It's like having Heather Thomas and Heather Lockler. We're all winners. That's right. Two really good songs. Right, right. There's an incredible what if with this movie that we mentioned earlier about Eddie Murphy. And there's a lot of competing journalism about competing narratives about this. Akyroid seems to be adamant that it was four Ghostbusters, and Winston was gonna be Eddie Murphy. And I that one adds up to me more because they had just done Trading Places together. Uh-huh. As he's writing Ghostbusters. Um also why wouldn't you want Eddie Murphy in this movie? But rightman was like that, that wasn't the case, right? Reitman said no, no, he was never a serious thing, but I almost felt like he was trying to be nice to Ernie Hudson. Right. I'm gonna believe that they went hard after Eddie Murphy, and I don't know why they wouldn't have. Of course. And I think it adds up because he had relationships with Murray and Ackerett. It's almost the new category, Craig. The Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters Award for Biggest What If. Because if he's in this movie from the beginning, it it breaks my brain. So you think it doesn't work? Absolutely not in no way, shape, or form. First of all, like I Can we talk this out. There's not enough screen for those guys all to be on screen together doing like this movie works because the other guys uh revolve around Murray. Right. If you have Murphy in there and they're like, let's give Murphy like three scenes where there's no script and he's just allowed to like cook, I just think it starts to blot out the sun a little bit. Like at I'm sure we would have clips that we were like, that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen. But you can't just like let Eddie Murphy cook at from the windows. So this is like AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts? Or AJ Brown and Drake May. Wow. Um yeah, it does. It's it's when Ernie comes into the movie, he does exactly what he's supposed to do. Exactly. He steadies the whole deal. He's a little bit of skepticism. A little bit of skepticism. A little bit of uh real yman. He's in every man. Everybody else is all into this absurdist comedy, and he's the one like, I need my own lawyer. You know, he perfect. Eddie , you gotta let him win scenes. Or if you don't let him win, he's going to win them. So it just doesn't work. It's like that weird Lakers team where they had Nash and Howard and Gasall and all of those guys. It's not enough basketball. You're the same person who thinks Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown can't play together. That's not what I said . So they play better than Browns leading the team. I'm I'm zagging. I think they could have figured it out . I actually think the upside of the movie is higher and the downside is lower. I I I'm fine with where we landed because this became an iconic, awesome movie. It's really hard for me to believe that Eddie Murphy in 1984 I don't think it wouldn't have I don't think it wouldn't have improving is a weird thing. I just think it wouldn't be what it is. And I think there would be like three scenes where you're like, holy shit, like I can't believe we didn't get more Eddie Murphy in the case. Eddie Murphy talking to ghosts. You're telling me I'm not enjoying that in a movie theater? But okay, where's Eddie at in his career at this point? Like what Eddie Eddie has done forty eight hours trading places and he's doing Beverly O's cop that comes out the same year. Stuffing baby in the corner. You're not gonna get it's not it's not gonna it's not gonna work. So he did a movie called Deal of the Century, ironically, where he's in they basically filmed his scene, it didn't work, it wasn't a good movie, um, and he's in it, he kind of pops in and out. So he's like a star, but he's not a star. And I wonder if they did that for this where he's in basically half the movie as like they're bringing the fire package. I mean it would be f like it would be really funny if Eddie Murphy played Walter Peck . Oh, just Richard Peck or Walter Peck? No, Walter Peck. Walter Peck. Like if he just had like two scenes. Two scenes. Well, it's a what-if because he could have gone 48 hours, trading places, Beverly O's cop, and Ghostbusters in three years. That would have shut it down. Yeah. Too much. That was pretty funny to watch Eddie Murphy and Ghostbusters too. Oh, he would have done it. Yeah. He would have been available. Wow, I'm surprised you guys weren't more receptive to this. You're really protective of the four Ghostbusters. Well to me this is a perfect film. Like I I just think that like you start to mess with the the notation of the music and it it changes the tune a little bit. Uh uh Greg, would you want to add referee in this? I get what they're saying. I I think it would have worked if maybe he had like a a guest spot type role where he just came in and like Dion Waiters to two big scenes and then got out. Yeah. I don't know if he could have been in the whole movie. Another thing to me the movie is oriented around the comedic tone and stylings of uh Bill Murray. And Eddie Murphy does his comedy in a different way. Yeah. Also, I think I always thought the Winston character like didn't make any sense. That felt like they were four I feel like he didn't do to be honest, it felt like a token casting. Wow. Interesting. You don't think so? You know one of us we can't buff ghosts? Put him in the beginning of the movie then.. Yeah Oh, so now you you've drawn the scientist as well. Well, Taylor, I got some stuff to say about that. I have more in this story. It just felt like they bailed on that story. I think it's a really nice like we gotta bring somebody off the bench in the middle of the movie. I think the reason why could have been Eddie Murphy. Funniest person alive in 1934. Yeah, but I just could go through like these movies that were just like, you know what would be good is if uh Tom Cruise showed up to see this. Why can't Tom Cruise be the vampire? But in this case, he really was supposed to be the fourth Ghostbuster. Sure. And I think that like at Ernie Hudson's uh sometimes acrimonious relationship to this movie, like at various points where he's been like, Well, the script like there's a much bigger part in the script that I read. I wonder if that was for Eddie. I wonder if they wrote it thinking we might get Eddie. All kinds of research on that with uh whether it was a much bigger part that got cut down once they realized Ernie Hudson was in it or what was going on. Um this movie was nominated for two Oscars. Best song , best visual effects. Elmer Bernstein scored, not nominated. Very good though. We were what's the horlback scale? 100 minutes? Yeah. So we're plus five. Yeah, that's fine though. It's amazing. If it's in the if it's in the our forties range it's fine okay with it 30 million dollar budget made 298 million dollars in nineteen eighty four so adjusted that's like a bill right yeah second biggest film of eighty four biggest comedy ever at the time which, lasted um only a few weeks, and then uh Beverlo's cop took that number one for seven straight weeks, kicked off the number one list by a little movie called Purple Rain. We used to knew how to make things in America. We sure did. We fucking knew what we were doing in 1984. It's like sorry, Ghostbusters. Princess here. I'm sure you're gonna get to Raj in a second. I had a a quote from just reading up about this that I thought really summed it up. Judd Apto uh said, It really is a perfect comedy. It was all those people at the height of their powers. They had mastered their craft and made the film we dreamed they'd make movies like Ghostbusters made us want to make movies . No not es . Raj went three and a half stars. See . He docked a half star for New Eddie Murphy? He said rarely has a movie this expensive provided so many quotable lines. And he said Ghostbusters is one of those rare movies where the original fragile comic vision has survived a mulillition-m dollar production. Yeah. Good way to put it. Yep . Want to go to the scenes? Let's go to the scenes. Most rewatchable is going to be interesting. Most rewatchable scene . Venckman working ESP with the two kids and favoring the blonde is so fucking funny. Studying the neg the effect of negative reinforcement on ESP . For five bucks. Yeah. Do you know what movie that the guy was in in that scene? You didn't recognize him? I didn't. You might be the only one who's seen this movie. What? Actually, CR might have. Christine. Oh yeah. He was one of the two bad. Oh yeah, he sure was. He and that other guy, Buddy. And Jennifer Runyon is the is the woman. Jennifer Runyon. Yeah. Um beautiful hair. I think Christine, one of the ten worst movies I've seen the most . It's really awful. Yeah, it's hard for me. I think I've seen it at least 20 times. I've seen a bunch too. It's hard for me to view it as bad, but it's those Stephen King movies back there, then were kind of game. I liked all of them. I mean maximum Overdrive is still my dream. We watch one. Even Stephen King didn't like the Stephen King movies. And I'm like, sign me up, Cujo . Just be trapped in a car for 45 minutes. Maximum Overdrive? Uh-uh. It's Stephen King directed it while high on cocaine. Yeah, say no more. Uh stars Emilio Esteves and is about machines taking over the world. Yeah. Wait a minute. It's bad shape. I did see this. Yeah, and it's set at a truck stop in North. Yeah, I did see this. It's like, oh no, I'm thinking of repo, man. I don't want to do cocaine month for the rewatchables. I want to do cocaine year. Just fifty-two movies where everybody was out of their mind. It's twenty twenty-eight leading into the presidential election. It's cocaine year. Cocaine year. Sponsored by State Farm Next we watch we'll see The Fellas Go to the Library and Get Spooked. My uncle thought he was Saint Jerome. This a couple movies have done a really good job of nailing how creepy libraries are. The wrong kind of time of day of a big sprawling library. You just feel like something awful could happen. Any place where there are supposed where there are a lot of people in it, but you are supposed to be quiet feels odd. Yeah. Good point. Sigourni with the groceries, aka Dana. We get the Ghostbusters commercial on TV at this point. We are ready to believe you. We're ready to believe you. Uh really good special effects with the eggs. And I think we should have mentioned this at the top. For 1984, some of the special effects were excellent. Like really good. Like we have eggs frying on a coun ter and in 1984 going wow how are they doing that yeah now it'd be like you know they could do anything in that one of the biggest picking nits of the entire movie to me still is a woman like Dana buying a giant bag of marshmallows . Interesting. You think she was gonna make rice crispy treats or something? Oh. Like for her orchestra or something? Like I don't know if we're getting down. Anna getting marshmallows? Okay. Yeah. Sexual food item . Um he's appealing directly to you. China sends advanced value sometimes. Yeah. I think she would have cleaned the eggs up. Yeah yes. The eggs were on the counter for like two days. Well she didn't clean them because she was gonna go get the ghostbusters to come back at ten minutes. That's true. Yeah. Vankman gets slimmed in the banquet room. That's great. Actual physical contact . Save me some. This is where we get the don't cross the streams. This is where we get the we came, we saw, we conquered. He veers into Nick the Lounge Singer and Carl from Caddyshack a little bit. Um this is my favorite scene, my most rewatchable. Right after that, the most 80s movie montage. Oh, the first time so good. Ray Par ker song kicks in. QB Lewis's lawyers immediately go to work. We get Roger Grimsley, the live at Five Anchor in New York City. Yeah, yeah. Roger Roger Grimsby. Uh we get early Larry K ing. We get a USA Today, Ghost Fever Grips New York. We get Time Magazine Omni in the Atlantic. We get the Soothing Towns of Sounds of Casey Caseum. Yeah. We get the Joe Franklin show. Yeah. We get the globe with a princess die expecting again. Um, and this is clearly the kid cuddy pursuit of happiness best needle drop. But it just makes me so happy to watch this. Yeah, this is this is like the serotonin hit. This is like legal ecstasy. If you watch this, you're like, god damn. Yeah. It was just the best. The only thing missing was Pacino and Cruising, just dancing. Just dancing leather jacket core for me. Yeah. Maybe when we do the social clip, we could run the montage, but then work in Pacino in the leather outfit. Uh Rick Moranis' party. Love it. Supposedly mostly ad-libbed. He introduces people by their financial situations and come in the door. Yeah. Has the blonde who I mean I know he's pine over Sigourney Weaver, and Segourney Weaver looks better. You like Gene Kaesum? The boss? I like a run on cheers. Casey's girlfriend. Casey Kaysem's wife. Moranna's coming out and going, hey, this is real smoked salmon from Nova Scotia, Canada. $24.95 a pound. Only cost me $14.12 cent afster tax though i'm making this whole thing as a promotional expense that's why i invited clients instead of friends you having a good time mark how you doing why don't you have some breeze at room temperature he's like fucking going.ah Ye, was I just like a hat trick in the first period. What were his guys Bob and Bob and Dave? Bob and Elaine, yeah. They have like wait, the one where they come in and they're one of the business. The uh the fucking brothers. Uh the brothers, the McKenzie Brothers. McKenzie Brothers, yeah. He's doing a combo of that, but there's a little Garth from Wainsworld in there too, where he's kinda like talking on the side of his mouth. We didn't talk about Beren us. I mean, I obviously this limited by the fact that he doesn't do a ton after Honey I Shrunk the Kids, right? He like basically disappeared. He kind of disappeared. But this is a performance worthy of considering renaming the Deon Waiters Award after him. Going nuts. Going nuts. Absolutely. Like he plays like two different characters in this, and they are both among the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Him is Vince Glortho, him is Louis Tully and then sneaky him as Lewis Tully again at the end. Yeah. Who does your taxes? Lovable and hilarious. Like, I don't know, man. So Will he come in and get a mineral water? Like you see him at first, he's gotta be in the scene where you see him, he's gotta be a little bit of a pest. Yeah. But he's gotta be lovable enough to where later on in the movie, you're gonna feel like a sense of danger because he's been possessed. You're gonna have to be happy. Well it seems like when he goes against the window, yeah. It seems like that's it for him, and then he comes back. And then they just give him a scene where it's just like, we have Rick Moranis in this movie, you know Rick Moranis. Let me let us show you how funny he is. Honey, I shrunk the kids was a massive movie. Do you know the premise of that, Craig? Oh, I loved it as a kid. Yeah. That's like he was a major star. Major star . He does Little Giants. Little Giants is the last time I remember Kidding. Yeah, I loved Little Giants. Didn't he play as a straight man in that one a little bit? Reminds me a little Joe Anderson. Didn't totally want it. Just liked his life. Oh my god. Didn't want to move to LA. Jeez. Just wanted to stay there. Just wanted to stay in Maryland, huh? Like this life. Rick Moranis. Just liked his life. Um, I thought he got out of acting because his wife got sick or something. I don't, I mean, I'm saying like he doesn't have like a million parts like my relationship. And Morandis is like you made six great movies. Is that right, though? I believe so. Yeah. Something he wanted to raise his kids and like all that. Just you know . Next scene. Are you the key master? Sigourni. You wanna do this now? Yeah. Okay . Absolute listen . Okay . So I'm gonna have a glass of water. All right. So look. What's what what what are we doing? We're just we're asking that specifically. Oh, yeah, that's Catherine Trammell. Okay . We're asking a question now. We're asking a question. You knock on the door, she asks for you to key master, you come in, she then's like, I am. I am the key master actually. And then you you watch him go through that scene and he's a perfect gentleman. Vinkman is a good guy. Because he comes off like a sleaze bag in every other scene. But he knows that it's not her. He is a pre-to consent master. Is what he is. Vankman is. Vankman goes, because he actually he's playing it out in himself. He says, Oh, maybe why not? Why not? But he can't, he can't do it. This has been a question in my family for a long time, whether or not You take a shot at possessed Dana. Take a shot at possessed Dana right here. Cause you don't know. Do you take a shot at Dana? But you also don't know if your sexual sacrifice spares everybody this whole occult gozer the gozarian situation in the first place. I mean that would be the big stickler for me. That gets into species territory. That could yeah. Yeah, you're going into Nesta Natasha Hentridge in the hotel room level. Can I do my flex now? Because it's related. Let's the Mallory. And this wasn't even in the doc because you didn't think that anybody would bring this up. The Mallory Rubin Award for Did this movie need a better sex scene. It's not Weaver and Murray. It's Weaver and Moranis. We needed a Natasha Henstridge style style of the roof. Yeah . Because he's the actual key master. He is. And we it's I think it's implied that they did oh for sure. And we see him kind of in the afterglow. I wanted to, I mean it can be like clothes on, that's fine. You can no nudity, but I wanted to see her just like because like just the physical difference between the two of them, I think that would have taken their relationship to the next level if we actually got to see her on top of him, just tearing him down. Wow. It would have been amazing. Wow. R rated Ghostbusters Yeah, St. Craig. Yeah. I don't know. He's got it in there. Yeah. It went the way it should have gone, though. You can't do it. She's possessed. Can't do it. She's possessed. Can't do it. There is no Dana. Only Zoo He bumps her full of Thorzine . Uh next scene, the spirits get loose in New York City. Thanks to that asshole Walter Peck. Just fucking unleashes everybody. Classic politician.. Yeah Um I set you up for a follow up joke. I don't know what you what do you classic politician's stuff. I thought yeah, I was I thought you were not even I thought you don't it's fine. It's fine. It's a big ending I don't even know what to make of. Where do these stairs go? They go up. Yeah. The choice is made. And they're all looking at each other. I'm excited to be a part of it. Did you make a choice? Um the blown-out building balcony , um, which I mentioned makes me anxious, and then the whole stay puff marshmallow and thing just should not have worked. Yeah, and it's amazing. Ackroyd is great in that scene. When they're like, did you did you and he's just like five? Think about who you're what whatever is who's gonna bring up . And then they go, the decision has been made like right away. Because he's thinking about the staple of marshmallow man. The comic timing of him not being able to clear his mind, just hysterical. And then he right away knows that he's fucked up and he checks out. If it had been Van and he was it and it would have just been like a a 100 foot Lisa Bonnet from Angel Heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just walking through New York City, was working on twerking down Yeah. The fuck? Oh God . That also has they finally decide they should cross the streams. Yes. Mm-hmm. Great idea. Uh and then I mentioned the closing credits were just immense amount of fun. Uh, what do you have for most rewatch? I have two you didn't mention. Okay. One, the first time Peter goes to Dana's apartment with the turkey baster. Yep. And he's just like playing the piano, he's like, love to torture him. It's Dr. Venckman boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going into the mayor's office with Peck and I felt like that was the trading places jail. I think that they just shot it in the same just all the guys. Same guys. Yeah, they just ran about somebody's coming. But yeah, I mean, like the whole thing when when Peck and Venckman are squaring off in front of the mayor, uh, but the the the real what rewatchable scene is the fame montage. Um so the open to me, the first thing you see are the ghosts. The movie sets up like what the actual star of the movie is. The first thing you see are the ghosts. Yeah. Like before you get to Vankman, it shows the library and you get the actual haunting. Because it's got to put you in the world. So I think that's very important. But you know what I've always loved? The first call. The first call they ever get, which is actually filmed in the Biltmore downtown LA. Yeah. Yeah. And like the but the first call they get where they're in there and it's Slimer, to me, that's my favorite scene of the movie. When she's like, We got one? Yeah, well, we got one and go there and they're like actually using their equipment for the first time. It's like almost the Ghostbusters origin story scene. God bless you. That's my favorite scene of the movie. We should probably go to the Biltmore and do like a whole video shoot. I feel like the Biltmores come up in 12 rewatchables movies. Yeah. Didn't it just come up in Tillive and Die in LA or am I crazy? I think the Biltmore is where they do the guy jumping off the roof until to live and Die in LA. Was that was that where they did the elevator? That's in the line of fire that is the elevator. When you go there is awesome because they obviously have all of those movies up there so you can see that they were shot there. What's the most 1984 thing about this movie ? Um I think the winner of this is the Ghostbusters monta ge, but I think we should talk about some other ones. Larry King taking radio calls while smoking. Yeah. Larry King definitely. This is actually where people ask like Chris, what's your ambition? And I'm like, I want Bill to give me a drive time call-in radio show that I could smoke during. There you go. D one. You're live on drive time with CR . Hey, AJ Brown, what's up with that guy? Chris, what's going on with the street lights? I hate it. I love it. These flat holes, what are they gonna do about it? Thanks for leaving my call. What are they doing with all this copper, CR? Um I have for 1984 runners up acroyd's video camera. It's been in 1984. See the Twin Towers a couple times in this, which is tough. Jean Kaysem. Yeah. It's just this was like her moment between this and Cheers and being married to Casey. So what was the deal here? Like they wanted to use Casey Caseom's voice and Gene Kaysom as part of the. He's probably like, I'll do your movie if you put my wife in the movie. Yeah. Not that she can't act. I'm just asking. My favorite runner-up for this though is calling someone a pencil neck. Oh like that's been gone for 38 years. Yeah, that was like that peaked in the 80s. Haven't been a pencil neck in a long time. I got a couple. One , uh, they're Ghostbusters and they immediately are asked about Elvis . No one has any clue in the mid-80s how big of a fucking deal Elvis' death and potentially being alive still was . Yeah. Every talk about it all the time on the front of every national inquirer. Somebody saw Elvis in West Virginia with Honky Tonk Bang. It's like all the deaths from the last 15 years that were massive just combined into one death. That was Elvis Tribeca being fucked up. Ooh. That's our town being all fucked up. Goes into there and goes, he says the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone. Yeah. Like Tommy Alter has a bar that he likes to go to that legitimately is right across the street from this Ghostbusters. On Verric? Yeah, like right there. You can see the thing. It's right there. Area's fucking beautiful. What? We go there. Well I'm in New York, me and Tommy and other people. We have a friend. I was gonna do my Tommy impersonation. I don't know if that on the rewatchables. What is it? What's the name of the bar? I can't remember. Well, I can't remember the name of the bar. I really can't. Wal maybe it's Walkers. Is it called Walker? Walkers. Walkers, yeah, it's Walkers. I was at Walker's last night with Cooper Hoffman . He does the pause because he says the first name but then remembers that you probably don't know who it is. So it's like I was doing rewatchables with Chris, Ryan. Ryan. Tommy Altern per Station. And Ben's on his way. Stiller. Stiller. Tommy Alter. We're gonna run into Jalen Brunson later. Yeah. And the last one, 1984, the EPA in this movie are the bad guys. That's come back around. Kind of. I guess. I I guess, actually, I guess . Let's take one more break and then we'll do what's age the best. This episode is brought to you by App Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. 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I love the the even seeing people like uh Joe Franklin When uh stay puffed with walking around and uh all the cabs and shit are getting into car accidents, I think that's Columbus Circle, but I'm just like yeah, this is great. How the fuck did they do this? Like sunny every day. There's never sunny every day. It's just a happy, sunny movie. There's no weather. But like the even in Ghostbusters 2, like New York , how can I say this? Like the ethos of New York is a character of the movie. It seems like a story that could only take place, yeah, in New York. Yeah. What do you have for what's age the best? You know, I actually this is what's the best is kind of funny because sometimes I'm just like these lines, but this is a couple of these. The logo, the firehouse the Ectomobile, the Marshmallow Man , these are 40 plus years. Like if you see that, you're like ghost Ghostbusters instantly. Like and it it like they are indelible pop culture symbols still, and they the uniforms. So still kids are still doing this for Halloween. It got brought back during Stranger Things, I think. It's just like a couple of really, really, really durable pop culture icons from this movie. The Proton Packs I have because they are so signature to the Ghostbusters. Proton packs. Also, the brands in this movie, they got Cheez-It, Coca-Cola, Perrier. All of this shit is still around. He's eating Cheez-Its. She's got Perrier in there. Yeah. Coca-Cola. I mean, obviously Coca-Cola's gonna be around for that. Cheese-Its maybe one Cheez-Its. Maybe one Cheez-Tit. Those guys drinking canned Budweiser, maybe one like all of the stuff that they think that was paid or not? I don't know. That's what I was trying to . That was a big deal, obviously, in the 80s. It still is, but they didn't because by the end of the 80s, they were doing it. All the time. Yeah. I also had the um a nice element to this movie, it's like got very little backstory. Don't really, you don't know where Venckman comes from. You don't really like none of like their past kind of like childhood trauma or anything like that. But their financial peril is like very acute in the first half of this movie when uh Akroy takes out the loan and Bill Murray goes, You're not gonna lose the house. Everybody has free mortgages these days. He's like, Yeah, but at 19%, 19% with the guy. That's another thing that's age the best. High interest rates. 19%. That would have been good for the 1984 section. Yeah. I forgot to put that in. Um yes, it's true. The man has no dick. It's still fucking funny. Oh, it's years later. It's like one of the what's our line delivery one? The Jesse Eisenberg? Yeah. That's in the running for best line delivery. I mean that's like the entire movie performance . Yeah. Um the original SNL generation popping in movies with each other, which is basically Blues Brothers, Kaddishak, Trading Places, Ghostbusters, Spies like us were probably the big ones. When did that stop? I was just having a conversation at Sycamore about cone heads and about all of the movies that were made around. Some of the bad ones. Like there are some bad ones, right? And there's some ones that are underrated. A lot of drugs back then. But when did the era of SNL people I mean in in Sailor's world it hasn't ended? Well, yeah, Sailor was the next one to do it, and then Apa Tao, who learned from both generations, blew it out. And just was like But they're not as Crap. It's the appetite generation of these are my extended crew. We're all gonna be in movies with each other and it's like late nineties, early aughts with like awesome powers and the happy girls up to bridesmaids. Yeah. I was saying with SNL, but yeah. Oh, I guess Bridesmaids, yeah. SNL. Yeah. Speaking of Apatau, um, this movie's pretty legendary for all the improv and all the ad libbing and stuff. So this is another thing that I saw a lot of debate about like how much how much is written versus how much is is improv. So go ahead. Yeah. Well I think it did influence comedies because I think everything was pretty rigid with there's the script, say your lines, here's the written jokes. And Caddyshack the ad libed a lot, but it was mostly because they didn't have a script. Um, but I think in this one he was encouraging Redman was encouraging the people to explore the studio space with different scenes. And then I think in the 2000s that really took off. Well it's also these guys' idea. Yeah. So being that it's their idea. They're yeah, they're writers. And they know who Murray is. Yeah, they know it's they know what they're doing a quote Aykroyd had got had some quote where he was like the script is mostly structure and exposition in a lot of the dialogue is like Murray cooking. Yeah. But then the shooting script is all the lines. But I guess there are like a lot of alts where like Murray's throwing out like three or four different options. So right. It's kind of what do you believe? Fifty-five Central Park West. I think wins the Amanda Dobbins War for best piece of real estate. Just a great looking building. The real Ghostbusters cartoon I have as a age of the best. That was like a real thing there for four years. It was a big deal. Yeah. And honestly, kept the whole thing in the consciousness between the two movies. To make the sequel happen, whether you like the sequel or not. And it was this was the the Ghostbusters thing is the first time as a child that I ever experienced confusion in the marketplace. Confusion in the marketplace is something that I would go on to like experience in my adult life. Like, which thing is the real thing? There was another Ghostbusters cartoon, and this Ghostbusters cartoon featured them going through time with a fucking gorilla or some shit like that. And so like the reason why the real one is called the real ghostbusters is because it was like, hey, these are the Ghostbusters that you know. But I watched the other Ghostbusters for like four shows. And it was different dudes, right? It was different dudes like waiting for them to become the Ghostbusters from the movie. Right. And then the real Ghostbusters comes out, it's completely different. It's the first time I realized that as a kid. I had the Green Slimer as a wood stage the best because Akron and Ramus really wanted the Green Slimer to be like Belushi. So they were really pushing the guy to be like, can you make this balushi-esque and make him like a party animal sloppy and they spent a lot of money on it and it's like really important accurate. It's like they feel like that's how they got Belushi in the movie with this green slime. Yeah. I think slime period has aged really well. 80s, 80s and 90s, big stuff. Nickelodeon took it over. Nick Murian. Good point. The promo stuff, for this is what I forgot to mention at the top. They had a theatrical trailer with the toll-free telephone number and a message with Murray and Ackrid, and everyone called it it. And was for some reason worked really well with the marketing. Um, you mentioned the busters thing, so the Ghostbusters phenomenon. You had uh budget busters, crop busters, nuke busters, litter busters, price busters was Pan American Airlines. So busters just took off. And eventually became Mythbusters and stuff we have now. The no ghost logo was modified to protest Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale, Mickey Mouse, uh, union stuff. That kept going. And then Murray, when he says this chick is toast, they think it's the first time somebody ever said toast as like a slang term and then it took off. No shit. Oh really? Wow. They don't think it existed before this. Interesting. Yeah . Great shot, Gordon Award, most cinematic shot. I don't have a specific shot, but this movie shot by Laszlo Kovacs Kovacs, who's like a Hungarian cinematographer, did stuff for Bogdanovich, and then winds up shooting a bunch of stuff in the 80s, a lot of New York that makes that basically that that 80s n New York vibe of movies that moves on from like the super gritty to the more like, hey yeah, people can live here now and it's Wall Street and like people have advertising executive jobs and that look is very distinctive. And he did like Legal Eagles, and um he did Ghostbusters obviously and Say Anything. So he shot mask. He's just like a really good cinematographer, but all of the New York stuff that he shoots, the crowd scenes and stuff are just great. I have a great shotgordo since you shouldn't have one. When they're going up the stairs at the end, oh yeah, and they have that one shot where it just seems like it's a hundred floors of stairs above them. But when we get to twenty, let me know I'm gonna puke. Yeah, it's it's just really it's a really cool shot. Yeah. Um Chess Rock World, Brock Laners Award for Best Character Name. Is it Dr. Peter Venckman? No. I think it's Don Spangler. It's Gozer the Gozerian. Oh, Gozer the Gozerian. Gozer the Gozarian. Gozer the Gozarian. Denneth's Benihon Award, would you go to Dana's apartment, the library, or something else? I had the firehouse. Okay. Firehouse is fantastic. Do you know what I like that we don't see on film that much? Tavern on the green . When they're outside and he's running through, that's in trading places. Like I just love the way the outside looks. It's always like all these people that are eating in there and not noticing what's happening outside. They did that a couple times. I love that. I snuck a category and I didn't tell you. What is it? It's gonna get acrimonious. The Rose from Titanic Award for character who sneaky sucks . Egon . Oh . Harold Ramis made a choice to never smile as Egon in this entire movie. Because he didn't think he thought he wanted the character to be super serious. Molds and fung us. Yeah. Spores. He's fine. I think him him and you said they were the Beatles. It's like he's fine. Yeah, well, you need a Ringo. Yeah. He's fine. What's your problem? He's fine. But like what he' hes's the brain of the operator. He has all stuff crack a smile, maybe get two jokes in there or something. He he delivers funny lines. Stripes he's really good. When he's like Ray, the the the interest rate alone after five years is 95 000 funny craig i'm closer to that he he serves the right purpose he's he's a role player okay he's just setting picks he's fine. What do you have perplexed category? The dwarfler's door award for how much of that hurt is when Vakeman gets slimed. Oh. Recovers really quickly for having a physical contact with an uh like a ghost. And is it like what do you think? It's like super thick. Gooey. What's going on? Oh Jesus Christ. So yeah, I had to go. Well, I just had to I I had to remember her. I was sitting next to that. It's very true. I just and then I was gonna try and do a book about metals for this movie and it's the whole movie. Right. When he got slimed, did it paralyze him? That's what I'm asking. Yeah. It seems like he was like, I can't move. It seems like the slime took over him. The Sean Penn, I brought up my own pack award for excellence in on-screen smoking. Acroid. Acroid's dangling cigarette thing that he pulls off. Where I don't know how he kept it in his mouth and apparently no adhesives or anything. He just knew how to do it. There's a 59-second smoking supercut from this movie that I sent you guys. I watched it. Could have been longer . The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. Well, this was tough. Come on, man. This this this was tough. I really could not think of a weak link, and I'm not gonna give it to Ernie Hudson on this goddamn podcast. I really thought about this. I wanted to push myself to think about a weak link in the movie, and I could not think of one . Every character that speaks sort of like are you saying this because you're like, you're like, you don't want LeBron to talk bad about Memphis? Like you don't want to talk bad about Hudson? I mean if you were gonna give a weak link that would be the sore thumb, right? And I'm not, but even he is not a weak link. I think he Well don't do a drive-by at Annie Potts just because you don't want to speak the truth about Rodney. To me, it's not Annie Potts. Annie Potts is an important character too. I don't think I I don't really don't think the movie has a weak link. I'm being for real. I I agree with him. I and I don't have any caveats what the fuck. Here we go. I think it's Winston. See? Yeah. Go ahead and do it. It's Ernie Hudson aside. I'm not it's not an Ernie Hudson thing. You fucking Ernie Hudson thing. Yeah . I just don't really understand why he shows up halfway through the movie and I think the whole thing too much work for three Ghostbusters. I agree with everything Craig said. But he just shows up. So they just need one. They would need 10 more. Well, that's what I mean. And he popped you' sayreing, like you pr promised me more help. In theory, they're like he's gonna be the everyman . But I don't feel like they really nailed the character. It just all of a sudden he's just kind of there and he never really has this moment. Well guess what? I understood him. I got exactly what he was putting down. He's the one that talks about believing in God. Like, do you believe in God? He deepens the Ghostbusters. I love Jesus' style. I don't think they had a scene with him that explains like why I'm supposed to have a connection with him. I would compare it to in the NBA season during the trade deadline when it's like we need a shooter. It's like we've got Karis Levert. Here's Karisoel Vert now. He's on the pistons. It's like, that's a great idea. Karoisel Vert will get and then you never figure out how to use Karois Levert. This is their trade deadline, middle of the movie pickup. But I don't think they totally figured out how to incorporate him. And I think he feels it too, which is why he seems to have a complicated relationship. I think he he his character is is probably the person hurt most by its Craig Horlbach number of running time, where it's like there's just not enough time. The the obvious point is there's a moment in the mayor's office when he's like your honor i want to speak for myself and you can see we can peel off and be like oh my god here we go he's gonna betray us i i just had more questions than answers, but like, does he like the other Ghostbusters? Well, he's there for a job. Yeah. Right. I mean, does he like these guys? Does he believe in what they're doing? This is not worth another five grand a year. Right. I think they needed that character because the movie got increasingly fantastical as it went along. And it's overnight success. They do one job at the hotel and then they're the at fucking like studio fifty four the next night. And it's it's it's cool to have like a little bit of the like, hey, I need a job and like I'll just do whatever you guys say if the money is right. And it's but you so you would say this was perfectly executed, because I would disagree. I wouldn't say that it was perfectly executed. I wouldn't say that it's not it's not pronounced enough to warrant criticism. I understand why they did it. I think it probably made sense in the room. I don't think they executed it well enough in the movie. There you go. He needed like either one more scene where I'm like, oh man, he really needs this job . I didn't realize he had this hardship in his life, or oh, his his wife just died, or something where I'm like, oh, now I'm attached to this guy. Why just to make him put him in the movie? Haven't we given enough? He's gonna kill a man's wife? They're in the jail in the prison scene. He seems like angry. Like he seems like he's mad at the guys. I'm like, don't be mad at my guys. Why would you think that that guy in that situation would be mad because he met these guys and ended up in jail. What do you think? What do you think could be? He's also the one who's like, you can't just go to the mayor and be like, it's biblical end of time. Right. Yeah. So he's just he's he's the one that's sort of tempering the movie because the movie becomes a full-on science fiction fantasy in the third act. Yeah. In the last 10, fi50fte,en twenty minutes, it's it's like that. This was fun though. What are you gonna do? I can't wait to hear your hottest take. Jesus Christ, if that's your weekly. Jesus Christ. Need one less job in the town. That's what Bill said . I'm glad he's in the movie. I just thought there's like a scene missing. Yeah. My weak link is is Walter Peck. And it's it's not because I don't think William Aetherton is basically the prick of the 80s But I think he could have used either a little bit more juice, like a like a slightly more earlier appearance, like maybe he just like his whole thing is like two scenes and it's like everything that happens could have happened by accident without the EPA throwing off the containment. What's age the worst? Ghostbusters too, just a money grab. I think that none of us feel great about it. The handling of the franchise in general has probably been a little bit more. Yeah, I have three more sequels. Also, shameless money grabs. Yeah. Across the board and the the all female Ghostbusters is one of the worst movies in the 2010s. It's really bad. It's just bad. It's a bad movie. Well, I'll tell you what I thought. I thought it was a very important movie. Um, I thought it was a movie that had to be made. I thought it was a movie for its time. I I wanted to see a film where Are you running for mayor? I'm fucking with you. It sucked. But like And I I remember trying I remember trying to woke myself into loving it. Like I'm sitting down. There were really good people in there. Hey, hey, the movie, it's the everybody is dead ass nice at what they do. The writer, the director, all of them together, it just didn't fucking work. Did you watch either of the Jason Reitman movies? I after female Ghostbusters that was out. Okay. Yeah, I was like, you know what? Some I feel the same way about a lot of the stuff. If I remember correctly, the thing is weird about them is like they are not without some charms. Yeah. Like Carrie Coon's really good in it, but like you're just kind of like, why is this a Ghostbusters movie? It's like a full-on like it's not like it's I mean it's too much talent on screen for just to be like totally whack, but the fucking shit didn't work. And the the Ghostbusters that they made, the subsequent ones, the first one I actually kind of enjoyed. I actually thought it was pretty cool. What the the the sequel. The the first sequel that they made after the case with all like this the goo underneath the city and stuff. I actually enjoyed that. Okay . I had for what's age the worst . Really tough movie for cable for about 15 years because of the pan and scan. Oh . Um, because and you can see it now when on the wide TVs. This was filmed like a wide movie, and on the pan and scan, you just miss a lot of stuff and everything feels really tight. This is how they did it with the square TVs. And it just was always like not the best watch. And now it's a great watch again because the TVs got wider. But I thought it I thought it suffered for a few years. A couple of visual gags here that I like I only noticed like this time around where when Dana first comes in to the firehouse and she goes up to Annie Potts and then Murray just like pops up in the back of the frame and runs over the over the half wall. It's great. The we mentioned the I want a new drug controversy. And then the only other one is William Atherton claims he became reviled after the movie. Well, I mean then he was. He was such a bad guy, and then people would be like, hey De quas. Yeah. And and uh just like we're really mad at him for a few years. Yeah. And then he's like, fuck it, and doubles down and does diehard. Um I have to say this. I know you know people think that I have no taste in movies. I love Ghostbusters too. Love it. Didn't you just start with I thought it was okay and now you've gotten to I love it? No. In just like five seconds. I don't think that I I don't if I was saying I thought it was okay, then like I love Ghostbusters. Okay. Like I it's it's it's it's hard for me to look at the movie as bad. I've got my nostalgia glasses on. The one thing that age poorly in this movie is some of the establishing shots look boarded. They look like Oh yeah. Yeah, like I that is always a thing that stamps a movie in the time. Like some of the establishing shots in the movie, they look sort of animated and rendered in a way. I think that there's a bunch of stuff at the end of the movie that's basically map paintings and stuff like that.. Yeah, yeah And they use those as established shots and like the the the like that stuff never ages well to me when they do stuff like that. You didn't Students and and clients. I just thought that was part of the job. By the way, can I ask you a question? When Venkman is in there with the girl, with the psychic? With the psychic girl, right? With hilarious scene, wavy lines the whole nine. When he tells Ray to come back, right, in an hour and an hour and a half, does Vateman think that he's about to fuck? Yes. In the like well then if that's the case, that age tore the terribly. And by the way, an hour and an hour and a half. Told you. Nine minutes. That's the floor . Uh Ruffalo Hanna Rubinek Partridge over acting award . The person playing Gozer. Yeah. Who was that? Uh that's a good question. They said they wanted Grace Jones and she turned it down. Yeah, I think it was person you can't you get when you can't get Grace Jones. Someone look exactly like Grace Jones in terms of the aesthetic. Oh, Van. You have a flex category. Flex category, another list. Slot via Yovan . Okay. I mean, I there's no picture of her. All right. Van's flex category's got a list. Top five dick actors of the 80s. You see these guys, you know that they're playing dicks actual dicks. Like they're not actually dicks in real life. I'm sure these guys are lovely men, but these guys played the assholes of the 80s. Okay. Okay. Number five, Thomas F. Wilson. Oh, Biff. Biff. Yeah. Back to the Future one, Back to the Future Two. Now he doesn't have the the dick catalog of some of these other guys, but Biff is just all time. Hall of Fame first ballot dick. Yes. Not only that, Biff uh Biff, psychopath, killer. Biff wants to kill. And he has killed Biff unethical gambler. Unethical gambler. Hold it. Number four, Paul Gleason. Yeah. The Breakfast Club trading places. Oh yeah. He plays I make $30,000 a year . These kids are gonna respect me . The top three is where it really gets tight. Cause the top three Because you need Atherton in there. Yeah. Number three, William Zapka. Okay. Billy Z . Johnny Lawrence Karate Kid. Just one of the guys. And Chaz. Back to school. Chaz. Right. Yeah, back to school. Top two, a dick diver. A dick diver. Top two, we basically got LeBron and Jordan. Yeah. It depends on what you want. And it's Adherton and who? Spader. Oh yeah. Adder like it depends on what you like. I mean to me, Spater is playing at another level. You know? Yeah. You think Spade is playing at another level? Yes. But when you think about Atherton, though, Spade's number two for me. Pretty in Pink, Baby Boom, whatever movie he was in. He could slide the other way too and be a decent guy. Could only be a dick. Atherton, Ghostbusters, Die Hard. Don't forget, Real Genius. Also, in real genius, as the terrible professor. That's right. In real genius as well. Like that's three in terms of the movies I love. All time heavyweight assholes. Do you consider Spader a dick in sex lies and videotape? Kinda . Kinda. Yeah, but yeah. Kinda wanna do that. It's kind of a romantic. I kinda wanna do sexualizing videotape. What do you mean, kind of? Where it's on the list. That's my mom's favorite movie. Yeah. Your mom's favorite movie? Yes. Talking about? Yeah. Yes, it is. That's a Bat Rouge classic. Would she do it with us? No. Okay. But she's asked repeatedly when we're doing it. Okay. She thinks it's the height of cinema. That and Annie Hall, she wants us to do that one too. That would be we haven't done a Woody Allen movie. Bill's Mama . Bill's Mama's Mama? Can you get that sponsor? Who would sponsor that? Hallmark. Hallmark. Yeah. Yeah, wait. It would be it would be alcohol. With alcohol sponsor.ed Josh Wine's friend. Uh so Atherton number one. I got Atherton number one. I feel like real genius put him over the top. Because when I was thinking about it. Zapka did have the trilogy. Zapka. There's also like a definitional thing, because you're you're you're going with like dramas and comedies here, and I wonder whether or not in the Schwarzenegger 80s action universe, there's Robert Patrick. But he couldn't dick too many there. I thought about Gene Hackman, who also tended in this dick. The only one who feels like he's missing is Bert Young because he played Polly, the worst character. But I guess you're making a distinction between dicks and villa ins. Yeah. Not villains, but dicks. Because a guy who plays Cherry in another 48 hours, he's the bad guy in Toy Soldiers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, Toy Soldiers Davos. Yeah, that's more of a and Robert Davi is a big one for the 80s. Robert Davi was huge. That was the Goonie. William Forsyth could be in there too. Yeah. I think you landed in the right spot. Uh the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. Uh I'll go last because I think you guys are gonna get up and leave. I think that Ghostbusters is the best movie to ever come out of Saturday Night Live. Ooh. And I will include not only movies based on sketches , which is how we probably usually think of SNL movies, but let's go elf, let's go Bridesmaids, let's go Waynes World, Tommy Boy, like uh I I'll include a bunch now when you Austin Powers, but when you get to you know, is in Glorious Bastards a Saturday Night Live movie because Mike Myers is in it, no, it has to have like at least a couple of care people from SNL and have like an SNL sensibility. And uh it has to be like relatively close enough to when they were on the show. I guess it can't be like twenty eight years. But I think this is the best movie to come out of Saturday Night Live. I think it's clear the question is what's too actually. Because like when I think about all the movies that we could compare it to, there's a huge huge gap. I mean Wayne's world and the rest of those movies were like phenomenal, but there's huge gap. Does trading places count? I I think so and I think I think there's a world in which anchor man counts . I mean that would be that would be the competition. I would say it's the it's clearly the most successful of any SNL movie ever. Anchorman, even if you were to count Anchorman, it's just like in no way, shape, or form, fuck with Ghostbusters. I think that was. It was almost like a slow burn, Anchor man . Yeah . That's pretty good. What are we leaving? Oh, I feel like there's a bunch of the Faroe movies have to be mentioned. Yeah, I mean Step Brothers and Talladega, but a lot of those movies are. Million Saint Lem movies, like Happy Gilmore has to be in there. Yeah. Um Eddie Murphy movies, like Billy Hills Captain. All the Eddie movies. But Eddie only made really it's just Eddie in those movies. It's not like they come from like a creative nexus of at least two people tie tests and it's also lasted the test of time better than any SNL movie. It's better than Blues Brothers. It's better than Blues Brothers is more culturally expired. But Ghostbusters is still super popular and famous. Huh.. Yeah. Okay I never thought it's really only Belushi and that so that it doesn't go. What's your hottest take? Um what right do the Ghostbusters have to put ghosts in jail . I never thought about are the Ghostbusters the fucking police. I think to myself, like, guess it's my Uncle Mark, rest in peace, right? Let's say that my Uncle Mark, who spent a lot of time at Golden State Penitentiary, passed away wants to come back and visit me what right do the ghostbusters have this is to incarcerate first of all ghosts is it 's like an immigration is ghosts in jail if ghosts were if this was happening in 2026 , we now know how you would be tweeting about Ghostbusters. I would have to ask the question. The reality, I I've never thought about this before in my life, because I think my brain was regular before and now it's warped. But like I thought about it, you get to go and a police action against a ghost, tie the ghost up, the woman that was in the library, that was clearly her job. She was shushing people, she used to work there. What was Slimer doing? Yeah, well, like I'm just saying, like he's hanging around. Look, if the ghosts are acting unruly, that's one thing. You talk to the ghosts, give the ghost therapy. Whatever you do. Well, this is where the EPA comes in. But what I'm saying, the EPA environment, who what gives them the right to build private prison and put the ghosts in. We haven't really vetted what these guys are doing. It's a private transaction between the person who calls the ghostbusters and the ghostbusters. Because the Ghostbusters are like, when he's like, I'm not gonna pay for this, they're like, well, we'll just let the ghost back out. Well, yeah, right. So the Ghostbusters run a nuclear power private prison for ghosts. And I don't know, like, was that a good use of city resources? I don't think that's right. Yeah. Well, you know my theory with ghosts. What? You gotta just talk to them and get to a good place with them. You don't you don't become adversarial with the ghosts. All that's gonna do is been a little bit more about you would be like more of a social outreach kind of ghostbuster. I would be uh like pro-ghost, friendly ghost. Like how can we help you guys? Like, what do we do? Now, obviously, there are some ghosts, you know, ghosts possessing people and all that stuff. You gotta bring Constantine in and like do all of that stuff. But like, for the most part, I don't know that they have the right to do what they was doing, and it kind of pissed me off this time. Like, get out of here. I have a second highest stake, real quick one . Dana 's a fucking gold digger . What do you mean? Dana very clearly dissed Vankman when he first came to her apartment. Oh, that he wasn't in the stratosphere for her? Yeah, she very clearly didn't. Do you think she's dating the guy who's snorting after and she was dating him, but you know what changed? What changed is she saw Venckman on TV. Became a small business owner. Venkman became a small business owner, he became a cele brity. Yeah. And even when he comes up to her the next time, when she sees him, she smiles. Because now he's famous. You know what? I respect it. Yeah. She's a classical violinist. She's tall and she's hot and she's not gonna date some . She's just making her way through the New York City in the 80s. She's got like guys who run restaurants coming after her and hedge fund guys. Like she's got like Eastern Europeans at the work. Gordon Gickle is at the goddamn. Athletes like Bernard King made a run at her. Like she's she's got a lot of options. Lawrence Taylor dated Bernard King, but then the knee injuries kind of took him out of the mix for her. Then she was out. Yeah. Does she go forck Dennis Pe? yeah, Dennis Peck. So what's your what's your hottest take? Yeah, you guys aren't gonna be happy . I think if Sigourney and Kathleen Turner switched movies in 1984. Everyone wins. So what's the Romancing the Stone? So Gourney does Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile, and Kathleen Turner does Ghostbusters 1 and 2. And this movie goes to another level. And when she's possessed I think I think I'm dead. I think in 1984 that's it. I have like a testicle explosion. I'm just dead. Wait, possess Kathy Thurman's like, what happened to your son? He died. It's a weird story. He exploded. What what is leading you to want to like improve Ghostbusters by five guns? What are you doing? Yeah. The whole point of the hottest take award is a hot take. You forget what I just think you switch Kathleen Turner's. So you want Kathleen Turner and Eddie Murray. I think Sigourney would have been amazing in Romance in the Stone. Michael Bob. She would it would have really worked. It would have really worked. I don't know how well Kathleen Turner worked. Does War of the Roses? Like is it does she take the Turner's spot? She does War of the Roses. Yeah, I tell you just do some switchero os. Maybe Kathleen Turner's and Dave. You forget what type of time Kathleen Turner was. I didn't. That's why this was my mistake. Damn the fuck up. She was Kathleen Turner in the mid-80s is to me, I'll type more lago superstar right here. She just oozed sexuality in every moment of her life. Your testicle would explode. That's what you said? I said there would have been a testicular explosion. Why? Why? Why? But I do you feel like a part of this do you feel like she was maybe too smoldering for this movie? Yeah, she's too hot for Ghostbusters. But thing is she was miscast on Romance in the Stone because she plays like this mouncy romance novelist who's like gets unleashed by by Michael Douglas, Swashbuckley, and Miss Adventure. And it's like that's a better Segourney Reaver World role. Kathleen Turner has like, I'm a hot classical violinist and now I'm possessed by Zool. Are you just looking at pictures of Kathleen Turner? Van's gone. Yeah, man. I never really Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Brooks Running. Sometimes in the film world we see performances on screen that are so mind blowing you think someone somewhere is bending the rules. Like when one actor plays twins or nails a really difficult accent. 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All right, casting what ifs there's a ton , including Chevy Chase claiming in 2018 that he turned down Venckman. Yeah . Again, all I have is the sniff test for these. So which one of these That one didn't smell right to me. Let me ask you this. Do you but do you believe Chevy Chase and Bill Murray have had a weird relationship for 50 minutes? I believe there was a phone call. And he's like, Yeah, I could have done ghosts. But I believe there 's also like in the half-assed internet research for this, there is just a real like Bill Murray is not in your movie until he is in right the first backup plan. Yes. Was there a phone call? Possibly. I'm gonna read you the what ifs that are listed on the internet for Venkman. Just give me the one that you think is the most interesting. Okay, cool. Michael Keaton, Chevy Chase, Tom Hanks. Robin Williams. I don't believe that one. Steve Gutenberg. No way. And Richard Pryor. No . So I believe Keaton. I don't believe Hanks. Keaton was the one that I thought was the most interesting. Keaton. I think Keaton made a ton of sense, and I think he would have been good in the movie. And I'm a I'm pro Michael Keaton. Keaton has played versions of this role. Oh yeah. Yeah, like he's the wise cracker. He's basically this in Gung Ho. Gung Ho. Yeah. Yeah. In Gung Ho. As you know, Billy Blaze Jowski, I think is one of the funniest characters in the history of anything. And I think he could have just been Billy Blaze Jowski and from Night Shift. From Night Shift Shift. From Night Shift. Yeah. The one that I was most interested in was the Egon rumors. Christopher Walken, John Lithgau, Christopher Lloyd, Jeff Goldblum. Goldblum seems like he turned it. Goldblum turned it down. Did he? That's what that was in the research. But then you read the Reitman story, and it's like yeah, it was our three guys. Yeah. But it does seem like Ramus eventually became Igor, but Egon, yeah. Egon. Who's Igor? The guy in the Nets? Igor Damon? He eventually became Igor Damon on the Nets . I love that those are the two things you've got in your brain. But I wonder if there was a moment when he didn't think he was going to be in it. Goldblum, I think, is really good in a really good choice in this. Walking's interesting, Goldblum could have done it in this. I think Walken shows up too much scenery. You wanted Eddie Murphy to play Winston. I know. Well, but that's Eddie Murphy. Okay. What but what version of Walken would you have wanted? Uh would you have wanted Deer Hunter? It's any it's basically Annie Hart. Would you want Roulette? Guys, when the Deer Hunter rewatchables will we do that? Have you seen Deer Hunter? No. Oh never. Oh, we talked about this. Yeah. Talk about a movie that obliterates the horlbeck scale. I think it doubles. But it moves quick though. Lots happening every scene. Apparently, Daryl Hannah, Denise Crosby, Julia Roberts, and Kelly LeBrock all auditioned for Dana. Julia Roberts? She was too young. In 198 4. Yeah, she was. What about LeBron? I don't know if LeBrock's interesting. John Candy offered Lewis till he turned it down. Wanted to do Lewis with a German accent. They definitely went hard after John Candy. Right. And he just didn't get it. And then Sandra Bernhard turned down Janine. I think we wind up in a right the right place with everything. Right. And then Paul Rubens was allegedly going to be Gozer for a second. I don't know if I believe that one. I d all of these, I just don't know if I believe. Best that guy. So is William Atherton a that guy? Or is he William Atherton? I think you can you can throw him in there. I think he's probably a that guy. See that guy to you? He is a that guy to me. Yeah. Okay. So he's the guy But he's that from Die Hard or that guy from Ghostbusters. Correct. I think David Martelly's who plays the mayor. Oh my god. He's a really good die guy. Jennifer Runyon was a stealth that guy. She was an up the creek Charles in charge whole season not key 90210 episode and she played Cindy Brady in a very Brady Christmas all in like five years. Deion Waiter's award Moranus is in it too much. No, he's not. He's in three C . No, he's he's in the whole list. I got him or Andy Pox. I gotta talk to you for a second about Dion . Dion is about a screen time limit. It's about what you do with your screen time . He's like the sixth lead in the movie. Uh come on. The movie got six characters. Help me out here. No, he's clearly right. He's in it for like 45 minutes. He meets her outside of her apartment. He has his party. Yeah. Gets chased. Then he's the whole scene outside the apartment. He has the whole party scene. He has the whole chase scene. We didn't even talk about enough where he's just like, Do you want some coffee? Yes, have some. Like it's and he's smelling the fucking landline it's so funny. So is Ernie Hudson eligible? Yeah, but Ernie Hudson is not he doesn't fucking just try to start shit. Okay. You want to double down all right if you want to make Moranus eligible that's fine. What do you think, Craig? Is he eligible? I just looked it up. He's in this is according to AI. Eight to ten minutes. Eight to ten minutes of this movie. I can't be right. Eight to ten minutes, that's it. No, it says he's in roughly eight to ten minutes of screen time in this movie. Can you get an actual runtime? Claude or chat chat GPT. Would you have any pots? No, I think I'd have Moranis. I just wanted to make sure you're gonna have pots in this movie. I think she's lovely. Yeah, she's fine. She's good. She's good. I like to read. Yeah. Her accent is crazy. Her accent is crazy. Out of control. Her hidden on Egon. All of that. Yeah, she's good. I love her. Rec asting couch director city . The John Candy one really stuck in my head. Okay . Um, he ends up doing splash, so he's represented in 1984 in a in a good way. But it's just a really interesting twist if he's that character . I don't know what's better because I think Moranus is great. Yeah. Craig did his flex, have fast internet research. Columbia had Frank Price, who ended up becoming uh a great teammate of Michael Eisner's and then died tragically in a plane crash when he was the number two guy at Disney. He became the head of Universal after he bought the script and believed in the script so much. He sold Columbia the title for 500,000 plus one percent of the film profits. There you go. Smart son of a bitch. Fucking Frank Price. Smart dude. Yeah. Um Richard Edlin did all the special effects, used part of the budget to found Boss Film Studios because there were like no special effects studios back then. And they advanced five million dollars and started this whole thing. The marshmallow man outfit designed by uh Bill Bryan, who modeled his walk after a Godzilla. Eighteen foam suits cost almost six hundred thousand dollars, and he had to have a separate air supply because the the whole thing was so toxic. Marshmallow was was uh raining down the crowd with shaving cream. Yeah. Gave a lot of people rashes. But you know what? I was thinking like nineteen eighty four was great. That would be so dope if it was actually marshmallows and you were just like an extra on the set of ghostbusters. Keep marshmallow out of your hair for five years. The original library ghost puppet was too scary and had to be given in the Fright Night movie. interesting. You mentioned the Billmore. There is a uh deleted scene where Ray has a sexual encounter with a female ghost they decided to cut. Sorry, man. Wait a minute. Well, Ray does have a sexual encounter. Well not a BJ movement. Like he gets his zipper. He gets his zipper tucked. Oh, that's that's a runner for the running gag in the I think it goes further. Oh okay. Okay. And then uh the rooftop, the final confrontation was at a sound stage that required 50,000 amps of electricity to properly light it and Columbia had to shut down all their other stages while they did this because it was so much electricity. Ironic like almost a parallel of the movie. Apex Mountain. Oh, I had one more piece of internet research from the Vanity Fair, kind of not an oral history, but it's like a making of Ghostbusters piece. Uh, when they're they're basically waiting to find out whether Murray's gonna do this movie, and they're they're not sure until like the day of the movie . So Murray flies back to New York after the Razor's ed shoot. This is from Vanity Fair. Ramus and Reitman picked him up at LaGuardia Airport to show him the rework script. Quote Bill flew in on a private plane an hour late, Ramus said in the 1985 interview. He came through the terminal terminal with a stadium horn, one of those bullhorns that plays 80 different fight songs, and he was addressing everyone in sight with this thing. They had to drag him out and take him to a restaurant in Queens where they showed him the script and he had no input and just said, I trust you guys. That's the movie. That would have been good for the Steven Sigal category . Apex Mountain Murray, I think yes . Okay. Yeah. Could make an argument for Groundhog's Day, but yeah . Ackroid. I think Groundhog Day is is a good No, he's after this it's like I mean he didn't work for four years because all day becomes like this like gigantic huge Accrid . Probably trading places. Well he wrote this though, and he basically like kind of is the custodian of the Ghostbusters franchise. So I think that in some ways this is his it's his impact. I'm gonna go out on the limb and say that Groundhawk Day to me is for Bill Murray. Sigourney Weaver? No . Aliens. Aliens. 55 Central Park West. Yes. Ramus . Uh yes. I guess probably doing being a director. It would be this or Groundhog, Groundhog Day. Probably . Yeah. Stay puff marshmallows? Yes. Yes. Real brand? Is it? Yeah. Is it? I thought it was. Didn't look it up. Ghost movies? I have that as to me. I think it is. This is a ghost. This are ghosts. This this is the debate that I'm here for. Is it ghost or ghostbusters for the number one ghost movie of all time? Did you do ghost with us when we did that on rewatching? Not that's you mean Amanda where you said that this is your idea of the afterlife. Yeah, I thought that was I thought what happens in Ghost is what happens in hell. Is that the same at the end? Pull them down, the shadows come out and pull them down in the the the ground. Right. That's what happens. Oh wow. Okay. I think they really figured it out. In the real in like the big and then you look at your dead self and then the fucking shadows come out and pull you down. Yeah, it was very sad scene. Which one is it? I think it's Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters or Ghost ? I think it's Ghostbusters. I would have put Poltergeist in the running too. Poltergeist is cool. I think it's Ghostbusters, but it is like oh it's razor thin to me. Ghost is like such a big Some other people might be like it's paranormal activity or it's it's uh it's conjuring or something like that. Paranormal activity is really good. I like that movie. New York City movies? No, no. Ernie Hudson . Awesome. What else was he what's his biggest thing? Well, he plays the special needs gardener in hand that rocks the cradle. Yeah . He was in Oz for a couple of years. Oz. He plays the warden. That's right. He's good in Oz. I like Ernie Hudson. Yeah, don't try to stay on that side. Stay on that side. I don't think that part was Ernie Hudson's fault. Ernie is the man, but this is probably what he's best known for. I think so. He's one of the Ghostbusters. Is he in the sequel? Y Yeses.. Does he have a larger role? Basically the same, a little bit larger. Rick Moranis? No. No. Right? It's honey shark tickets. Yeah. New York City Library scenes? Might be. Yeah, I think you're New York City Public Library, probably. The Sedra Cotel. Never heard of that before this movie. Anything else? Uh turning into dogs . Oh yeah. Could it could it be? Think about other I mean turning to the dogs. There's I mean there's Twilight where you turn into a wolf. There's other stuff, but it's this yeah. I was gonna say this isn't it's hard to articulate what exactly is the apex mountain, but one of the things that bums me out about modern architecture is you're just never gonna get a story like the occult architect who built in like a special metal to make it a superconductor of paranormal stuff. Like it's uh it's I got five condos above a trader Joe's. Like nothing's gonna happen there. Yeah. It's a good point. Ghost combat. Last one. Is this the picks of ghost combat? I'm asking. Because there's actually a ghost. Ghost fighting with ghosts , tussling with the ghost. I would say Ice Cube and Ghost of Mars. This is a pretty good ghost cover. I think it is. Cruiser Hanks. I have Hanks. Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg. This is tough. No, it's not. You don't want to see Marty's version of this? New York City . Travis Bitcoin You guys are so fucking boring with this one . The Vane Latham Award, did this movie need more black people? Nah. Okay. Picking nits . Is Dana's apartment too nice? Uh feels like it is. So that feels like an apartment that um it's like Mimi Rogers' apartment and someone to watch over me levels. Central Park West is um has always been one of the great, you know, realistically. Like if I could pick any apartment location, it might be that literal apartment. She's got a one bedroom. Like it's not like she's living in a penthouse apartment. It is very nice. I think she comes from money. Because like I think she calls her mother. Yeah, that's why she doesn't like bankman. She doesn't like bankmen because he doesn't have any bread. She's a concert cellist or whatever. She probably went to all the finest schools and fucking sorbone, wherever you go, wherever you go to do that, I don't know you go. But she's with Julia, wherever you go. Julia. And so she went to all that and that's what she's doing. That's why she's stuck up. Goes bringing back down to her. I had for another edge about Dana. I I didn't like that part, man. Like don't front on me. When I come over there to help you with the go situation, and then after I blow up, you wanna be down with me. Don't front on me. And it's like, when can we go get Chinese food? That's facts. I had next pick and it's why did Dana leg Bankman? What what turned it? But we already talked about it. We already know. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the lost up. Probably a little cash. My only other one is I just think hundreds of people would have been killed by falling debris during the ending. I think all the people that were in the bottom of the of like looking up, they're all dead. Right. Just things are falling down, hitting them. What do you have, CR? Uh for picking nuts? Yeah. You know, I I really love like your point about like what gave them the right and would there be any oversight? For furthermore, like the New York City being in a paranormal pandemonium, I think would just be a much bigger deal. I know we see a brief moment of like the National Guard coming out, yeah, but I just don't think they would leave it up to these four guys who got kicked out of MYU or Columbia. Yeah, this was a city that protested the premiere of the Warriors. I think they would have the paranormal activity would have been would have been tough. Um why are the Ghostbusters allowed to have a blueprint in jail? Oh yeah, dude. Why do they have they they're in jail? They're looking at a blueprint. That was movie jail though, where it's like a big, it's almost like a big recess. They they take your stuff and they put it in the thing, but they're letting them look like it. I think it's like a holding cell. Okay, holding cell, whatever. I don't even know if those dudes have gotten processed. Why why are they allowed to have a blueprint in there? To like look at a blueprint and stuff in there. It's a good one . Sequel, prequel, prestige TV all bycast untouchable. Uh sadly, we got sequels. This should have been an untouchable. Sure. We should have been done. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Ryan Ruco, Gus Johnson, Zane Lowe? What do you got, Sierra? I got Zane when Goz er shows up . He's just like Zayn, Gozer, Gozer the Goz arian. It's great to see you, man. Or woman, because you take many forms, just like your music. Your music is undefinable and so are you. But I have to say, good evening. And as a duly re designated representative of the city, county, and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activ ity and return forthwith to your place of origin or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension and we'll be listening . Zane was wordy. Yeah. Yeah. I uh I wanna introduce Shaquille O'Neal as the inside the MBA analyst analyzing the Ghostbusters movie and just saying, I thought the best person in the movie was goes to the Gaz erian movie. And then everybody kind of goes, okay, cool. And then they go to commercial. Um the others. Just one Oscar who gets it. The song? Bill Murray. Bankman. Bankman for a Best Actor? Yeah. Yeah, Vankman. The song that ripped off Huey Lewis gets best Oscar? They didn't know at the time. But Venckman. I got Venkman. So you've Bill Murray winning the Oscar. Well, who won in 1980? What was that year? Is it gonna be like Raging War? No, not in my notes. Gandhi? Eighty four. Let's can I guess? Gandhi? No. Um Cherus of Fire. No. I I just called to say I love you from Woman in Red. Oh, that won the Oscar. Yeah. Steve won't. Uh F Murray Abraham and Amadeus. It's fine. Jeff Bridges and Starman. Albert Finney under the volcano. Tom Tom Holtz. And Amadeus. Honestly, I'd Sam Waterson in the Killingsfields was really good. He's really good. I'm just saying I'm not as far off as you think. I like it, CR. I respect it. Yeah. I think there could have been room for Albert Finney under the volcano. I don't know what the fuck was going on there. Um yeah. Had a bad call. Thanks, bud. Um, probably unanswerable questions . We just have to play out: is this movie better or worse with Belushi and then Bill Murray? And the answer is it's worse. Yeah. I love Belushi. That was one of my guys. I do think he needed this in the Belushi IMDB if he hadn't like lost his mind and, you know, died of a drug overdose. This was the kind of movie that I think would have been great for him. He just didn't have it. He didn't have like a leading man trying to be like dashing and just nothing like this. Which is probably why Bill Murray was writing it for him. He died on his climb accurate. He was still on his climb when he passed away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this would have been a huge one for him. Sam similar would you rather would be would you rather if this movie come out five years later, six years later, slightly better special effects. Now, because I really feel like 84 was the quintessential year for this to come out. I think it's like perfect timing of it. The Floyd Gond ali butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy . The key master. Just a great nickname. Why what are we doing? How is KD not, the key master? Oh KD, the key master. Yeah. Well they gotta if you do a key master, you have to also have the gatekeeper. So it's maybe that so Jason Tatum could have been the key master and Jalen Brown could have been the gatekeeper. The gatekeeper and the key master. Yeah. But you have to have people that like each other. And you have to have people who know Ghostbusters. So look, you can't have those two. Maybe like, yeah, that could be Steph Castle and Victor Wemanyawa. Yeah. You have to have teammates. Like he would have been the key master. Wemby's the gate the gate keeper. He's he's he's closing the door at the back of the back of the play. Key master is really good. Yeah. They feel like Fey good. My Floyd is uh Bill Murray working a crowd. So when they first get out of Ecto , when they get up to Dana's apartment at the end, and he's just like, you know him, you love him, spray stands. Just like this guy has the city in the palm of his hand. This is crazy. Mine is the firepla ce poles that you slide down. Oh fuck. Good one. Well, like the one. If I get that, I can put that way up there. Yeah. Where they would start off as blue train and then slide down and why what are we doing? Do any of these hype houses have fucking fire poles? I haven't seen any. You know what happened? The poles turned into strippers. Use for strippers. Yeah, also like somebody found. Stop thinking about them being conventional, going from up here to down here and just thinking about women dancing on them. Women dance. I've seen some amazing things. The secret handshake club memorial memorabilia you'd want from this movie . Um, for me, it's one of the proton packs. There's got to be four total. And we can't do Ecto Ecto 1, the car, right? No, but that car is pretty crazy. It's also great when he's like when he pulls up and Murray's like, you can't park that park that here. And it the the look the look on Murray's face when he tells him how much he paid for the car. Yeah. They they're in on him and he just like gives that look is like 4,800 bucks. He needs new shocks, new brakes, new brake pads. Yeah, how much, how much? $4,800 in the look that he gives. That car is still out there. Yeah. They have it out there when you go see it. Um I always wanted one of the Proton Packs. I I would do Ghostbusters jumpsuit. Yeah. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were best worst life lesson. Ghosts are fucking real. It's my lesson. Don't underestimate them, Van. I'm not. You know, I believe in it. Best double feature choice? I have uh Big Trouble in Little China, which I probably have picked before, but has a similar comic sci-fi element to it. I had the Blues Brothers. Stay in the Scientists. It's a long fucking night because Blues Brothers is a long movie. I had Cop. Let's just go 84. Beverly was cop s by the game. No, the James would no Beverly's Cop and goes cop would be amazing. Uh who won the movie? Murray. Uh Peter Venckman won the movie, my friend, Bill Murray. There's a Reitman case. Yeah, for sure. Looks looks better than it's well very well directed. Meep meepall Stripes . He's now with this movie becomes not only the premier comedy director of that generation, but um as a director and producer just becomes a fucking juggernaut, goes right to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is the kindergarten cop , and has this crazy run from what 79 to 93 all the way through Dave, 15 years. And go and Ghostbusters is the the NBA Finals MVP for him? I'm not slagging John Landis necessarily, but like if John Landis is direct in this movie, there's like a 20-minute car crash scene in New York City. Yeah. Like you get like way more stay puff marshmallow man than you need. There's like there's just a lot more action. And Reitman just seems to know exactly why people will respond to this film. Yeah. I had a bad job. I would go right man, but you guys, who do you have for this? I would go Murray. Murray carries the hell out of this movie. Not that it's like oh the he's the only reason it's good, but he is cooking. If somebody was like, why is why do you think Bill Murray's funny? I'd show him Ghostbusters. Yeah. It also feels the most like he like the lines were not written and he was coming up with them, which I think you also have to give him credit for. That's kind of my takeaway. Seeing this movie again, because it had been a really long time. It's crazy to me how movies like this that feel so like, I don't want to say unfinished, but movies that feel like they're kind of making it up as they go, where it's like the script wasn't really finished. Bill Mary just showed up last second. There was something I was reading about Annie Potts, just like showed up the day she needed to shoot. They had like no costume for her. She took like the hairdressers' glasses and put them on and then just wore those for the whole movie. It's just it's so haphazard the way these things are thrown together. And it's just And now those glasses are kind of like iconic. Yeah, and it's just crazy how messy those these movies were of this era and how they worked. And now it that just wouldn't happen. Now everything would be so finished and glossy and purposeful and safe. And safe. And I think ultimately what's age the best from this movie is just friends being in movies together. Which is just like you don't really see. There's friends in movies. That's a good call, man. It is a good call. Let's make a movie. We should. Let's do it. What would our movie be about? The three of the four of us. Four of us . Uh trying to find a bar in San Francisco after a live show. That actually would be a really good start. Having a walking one crazy night movie. Having a walk six-tenths of a block downhill and Mallory's dying and then something happens. No, it would be we record a podcast in a house from a famous movie and then something happens in the house. The Boogie Knight's house. Yeah. We're in the Boogie Knights House. Oh interesting. Yeah. Or we're in the Halloween house recording are rewatchables. I think it's a one crazy night. Yeah. It's one crazy night. Clearly San Francisco because San Francisco is a bit of a five nights of the year that you're like, we're drinking tonight. Yeah. You know what you you know what the name of the movie is? Bands ordering pizzas. We order pizza to the bar. The movie is called the cocktail that you kept getting. I can't remember banana something. Banana something. Banana rama banana rama. Banana rama. The the name of the the name of the movie is live show. And it's about live show. That's a good the name. It's about doing a live show in a place. It's the big live show and everything goes wrong. Yeah. That's the name of the movie. Live show. Yeah, we learned that night when Van says, I shouldn't tell you this because I've had too much to drink. That's a great bar though.. Shout out that bar Peacekeeper. That was a good bar. Peacekeeper bar. Peacekeeper. It's great bar. Great bar. Great. One of the only bars in San Francisco open past nine thirty at night. Everyone. I've said that to a couple of people who stared at me like I was out of my mind. So obviously we were in the wrong way. We're probably in the wrong part of town, but whatever they talking about, they full of shit. And then we went and got coffee. What was the name of that place? Coffee. Coffee Movement? Coffee Movement. Coffee Movement. Waited online for 10 minutes, which violates everything I believe in. It's close though. Literally everything. And then they only had 10 ounce cups. So you got two. So I had to get two 10-ounce coffees. It's really funny. And guess what? It was fucking delicious. It was worth it. I would wait on that line again. I had a fun time. Man, I rode the trolley. We went to the game. San Francisco's the best. It was amazing. When are we going back? Crowd was great. Crowd was great. The theater was great. Yeah, great theater. Everything ended up being great. Great. Tony V making moves with the Giants lineup. We were at that one place that was at the top of the hotel. Top of the top of the uh top of the mark. Top of the mark. Top of the mark. Yeah. Had drinks. Beautiful. We were starving. Kicked out. No food. They looked at us like we were the fucking outsiders just walked in. Yeah. It's definitely a secret handshake club city and then we didn't know the handshake for food and bars. But I still like San Francisco. Um fan CR, thank you. Craig, Gahau, thank you. Thanks to Eduardo as well. Anybody else? Matt? Matt. Shout out. Um, all right. Next next month we're uh it's gonna be a comedy month. Netflix is a joke. We're doing a bunch of comedies in May. So stay tuned. Thanks, guys.