Final Picks and Draft Wrap Up

Hello and welcome to Group Chhat. I am Justin Verrier and joining me as always, J Kyle Man, a special guest the Bill Rafferty of the ringer. Tate Frasier, what's up Tate? I appreciate that intro. I wish I had Rft's sayings and you know, little quips for you guys. I'll do my best to try to get it going. But happy to talk about college basketball players at any point. So this is the time to do that. So I'm excited to break down all these guys and great to be on with you. Pod starts I think we would assemble three college blue Buds here, right? I mean, Kyle is Kentucky still considered one s I'm that just say goodbye. these out But I know at the very least, I know Tate and I, you know, more recently have been champions. So you can you can kind of waff off of that That's okay This episode is brought to by Netflix. 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So we have assembled our two college ball knowers in order to go through a mock draft U Ty just in general, before we get into this, I think you guys are going to trade off. I'm going to basically sit back, play moderator and just like wait for guys to go up on the Dis and ask them about like how proud their parents are. But just in general about this college season or even like as we transition to the draft, is there anything like you think differently than consensus about this? Are you like top four guys and then everybody else? Is there a guy that like you like more than others? Like give us like your big picture look on things Yeah, I do think it is a big four the four horsemen. and I think everybody kind of has their own flavor of the day when it comes to which guys they like the most. And it does seem to be like a shuffling of the deck for each one of these teams trying to figure out which one of the four they really like. And Kaan and I were texting this morning just kind of about the personalities of the top three guys in particular, a little bit more brooding, a little bit more isolated, notot necessarily the cheerleaders. And then you have Caleb Wilson who seems to be a guy who is the ultimate cheerleader. So it's fascinating the personality styles that we have with these top four guys. And then as far as like a hot take that I have, I think I have a number five guy that I feel pretty good about at number five and it's Michael Brown junior. I have kind of worked through all of the guards and I still keep coming back to the big guard himself and So I feel pretty assured in the fact that I think he's a number five guy on the board, but I've obviously seen a lot of different people kind of you know, swap in different guys at number five, but for me it's Michael Brown, juni. You know, I've gotten to the point Justin where I've heard you talk enough. This is my first point I'm going to make is you love the word Dis. There's something about that word that I think you just like it. What I supposed to say's name here Yeah. much more gravatos than yous what's going on here? He an opportunity to say Dis, but I was going to jump off of Tate's point there elsewere. Yeah Caleb is like very much the And I think I didn't have this epiphany until this morning tape for some reason where I was like, damn, like all three of them are quiet because and Peterson's gotten the most shit for it, I think, because he's just kind of like, you know, I do my own thing. I keep to myself I keep hearing that AJ and if you look at AJ, he's just got those like intense eyes and Boozer has some of that going on too. They're all. I'm not saying that they're not effective leaders, but they're all quiet leaders and I think that's an interesting thing. And then Caleb as the fourth guy is very much the a lot smilier. you know, I think his like charisma with the mic was probably the best, right of the like the commissioned reporters that they had at the finals Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of people talking about his interviews too. Like everyone's just like, man, once you get this kid in the room and you talk to him, I mean, he just kind of passes all the tests as far as like personality wise. And you can lead by example. We've seen it plenty of times in the NBA. I think it almost gets a bad rap when you're kind of more of a quiet reserve guy. I almost have to give Peterson credit for admitting that fact and just being like, I'm a loner He's pretty much the only one that's leaned into that. So I think you like you said, everyone's a little bit harsh on Peterson, but Caleb is totally like going to buy into whatever city he goes to. And I think that's an encouraging sign for whoever gets him, you know, most likely at number four So face of the franchise for the Bulls, like do you think he could immediately leave Josh Gittdy considering his like great PR right now? I think so. you know, what I mean, I think Bzealus and Caleb maybe as a little combination there. that could be a lot of fun. And then Tiago Splitter. I mean, I just think you know, hearing his press conference and kind of how he wants to formulate his team and kind of fit the personalities of his team I think that'd be a really good fit for Caleb. So we'll talk about it, obviously as we go through the draft, but I think you know as far as who he is as a person, it's easy to fall in love with Caleb. and I think the other guys, it might be a little bit of a longer sort of lle into the relationship, but again, I think they're all special in their own way, and I'm excited to talk about them all Unfortunately, Diago just wanted to make just the average salary as an NBA head coach you'll no longer be seeing him. All right. whyy don't we take a quick break first? and then we come back. We'll get into these mockpicks This episode of the Ringer NBA Show is presented by Ferrero The world is watching. 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Where would you go if you were running the wizards right now I do feel like the Wizards are going to have an internal conversation, especially with the Trey Young News. I think there is probably a couple of people that fist pumped and celebrated. Obviously not Joe House when heard that news, but I think it was obviously AJ and Darren Peterson as far as the fit for Darren Peterson. He's like, Well, they do need a lead guard. I am a lead guard and I'm you know by all accounts, he was going to be the number one pick before we had the very strange year Kansas. We don't have to get through The minutia of that. There's also been some questions about the creatine. He had cramps in high school as well, which is kind of come back to the surface. So there's been a conversation about him. But I do think that AJ is the safest play. I kind of go back to the banal, you know, kind of take with the number one pick. It's like who expects to be the number one pick? Who wants to be the number one pick? AJ obviously wants to be the number one pick. It seems like he's put himself out there. He's very, very forward facing with his situation. and he is a hub. I mean, he is a guy who can be a franchise guy for you Someone you can believe in, someone you can buy in. and I think that he kind of checks all the boxes six nine to hundred ten, you know, obviously twenty six points per game in college, you know, the rebounding was great about seven rebounds per game. playayed about thirty five minutes a game and a forty minute game. He can obviously give you, you know, the energy that you need to be that next level player. and you talk about highlights. I mean, this is a guy that can sell tickets for you. So if you're the wizards, I think don't overthink it. I know Peterson is right there And you can talk yourself into it, but I think AJ De Bana goes number one. Yeah, the wizards in an interesting spot where they can, you know, they they you could look at it in a couple of different ways. You could look at it as you, you know, in a vacuum This is an interesting young core if you just go with the guys that they've accumulated over the past few years with the shitty lottery look that they've gotten. I know people are kind of down and you know, Justin, I know you and I and Rob talked about this on Group chat in in the fall, we were like, there's something happening here. you know, as the season wore on, it was like, oh, my my God, the nausea of how bad it got at times But I'm not totally distracted from the fact that Car, I think has proven that he's, you know for the questions about his physicality and things like that. He looks like an NBA, like a Rim protector. He looks athletic. Tay Johns was up and down, started the season hot but got cold. Will Rilly looks like he's going to outperform his draft spot. I just think they have a lot of interesting guys. And if you throw Dvana in there, I think he's going to sort of take a lot of those orbiting pieces and give them you know, more efficient purpose. But then if you they're in the interesting position where they can audition these two distressed superstars who I think if you look at them on paper as a team, I was asking, you know, our group chat with with Bill and House this morning like does AD ever play for them? I think if he ever did, I think on paper is kind of an interesting basketball team in the short term. So even even for a season AJ would slot in there and it automatically is kind of a balanced team even though it's kind of side unseen at this point. Yeah, it's interesting because well for one, it does feel like players in recent drafts have been trying to force their way to the wizards. likeike we had Ace Bay before that. we had Sar in the draft before that. This year is a little bit different because they have the first pick. But like watching Peterson, I'm like, is there just something about DC that I don't know about? I guess it is ultimately the opportunity because like it is a more metropolitan city than for instance like Utah, some of these like really small markets. And so I get it from that thing from that perspective, but also just like it seems like they needed a star player in order to drive a lot of those role players that Ky was talking about. We'll see about SR. the injury kind of worries me going into next season. We'll see if he's healthies to start this season let alone throughout it. But like just having these two veterans there is something that's really confusing to me because not only with the wizards, but you also have the jazz and some of these other bad teams Pacers don't even have a top five p because they went out and got veterans at the trade deadline. Does the Ty Young situation or the AD situation change anything about how you're approaching this? just because like these guys at the top are supposed to be like a hair margin like difference, like Peterson, Boozer and the Bon are supposed to be all kind of on the same tier Does like fit actually matter to you the Wizards? orre you just going best player no matter I'm going best player and I think that he does fit in with the young Cps. when you took about Trey Johnson and he has a relationship with Will Reilly already. T talked about him. Ke Seaan George. I think is a really nice piece for them as well. Bob Carrington, I've always been a fan of. I know Bub has had some up and downs, but I think he's still a solid piece for them. And I think in general for DC, I wouldn't focus too much on Trey young, Anthony Davis. I think that those things will be figured out. I suspect and Kyle was kind of alluding to that that Anthony Davis probably won't be on the Wizards. I think that he will move on. And I don't know what that looks like or how that looks and Trey Young. I kind of feel the same way. And I think AJ would actually be better if they cleared the decks of the veteran guys and kind of let him be the son on that team and let everybody else orbward around him, especially with that young cps. So I feel like to me, that is the play for DC. and I think that's what they end up doing A lot of ball handling size on this team if the wizards they teing AJ. If you think about AJ can I mean, we saw When Richie Saunders went down for BYU AJ's usage, I think it went up north of thirty percent for for that part of the season. Then you think about Keichan George who's run some one. you think about Will Riley can really handle the ball Bubs not tiny, you know, he's that's one of the interesting wrinkles about that team is the ball handling size for me. But I think best player available is the way to go just because you can't get this far with with what they've given up to get here and then and then think about fit. like they had all these stabs trying to get it to the number one pick and and didn't quite get there. If they were to think about fit right now and not just take best player available I think that would be a catastrophe. So I think if If in Tate's mind as the wizards, that's A JJ devana, I think that's the way to go I think that's a particularly interesting question going into number two now because obviously, not only does AJ have the background with Utah, maybe they'd be interested in him, but now we're starting to see like dribbles of information or rumors are just complete bullshit at this point in the draft cycle that like maybe Danny Inge might go off the reservoir go camboozer at two Darren Peterson, obviously another wild card there. maybe he slides on to even beyond that, even beyond three. I'm curious Kyle because you just put out a new draft board on the ringer dot com. You have Kambzer as your top pick. Would you be as bold as the Utah jazz to jump Darren Peterson and take Cambooer at two? Um I don't think you can lose, I think is kind of where I'm sitting with this. And they've demonstrated that they have the stomach to take guys who have their details that can be left out. I think, but people can go research that for themselves. But they've taken players in the past. Age has in particular. players who have sort of circles around them that have questionable, you know operating history, I think. and everybody that has kind of followed the Peterson thing That's the vibe that I have gotten is if as you start to kind of go through the receipts like a like an auditor, it's like, where exactly did this go wrong? I know Tate has probably spent a lot of time trying to figure this out too. The thing that I keep hearing for people is just like the communication between The school and the camp was just there was a disconnect, you know, whether who was right or wrong. But it seems like coming from the camp, that was that was the issue. So the Angees I say all that to say that I think if any team was going to have the stomach to kind of just say, we'll take the dude and we'll figure that out. it's the pedigree of a Danny Age who has seen a million of these situations and probably has a method of going through and doing that Darren Peterson fits like a puzzle piece into what the jazz currently have going on here. I know that they have said, you know, Fione they said that they're not going to extend him this year. They're going to wait and see if he can at least that's what that's the messaging that's getting put out. Gante George, who had a good year after having two bad years Maybe that could be a sign that they're they're saying, you know, we're open to bringing in a Darren Peterson. You could read it that way. But if I look at if I look at the jazz I think Camboozer could slot in and make you huge with a really high level skill set. if you wanted to look at it like, okay, we have Markin and we have Boozer and we have Jaron Jackson Junior To me, that's the pick that I'm going to make if I'm the jazz, so that's who I'm selecting I just think that that combo of Jaron Jackson Jr. and Camboozer is really, really interesting because you have a lot you have shooting, you have playmaking. you can really guard a lot of different types of teams, really physical That's that's that's the way that I would go. paring Cam and Jaron Jackson Junr. and we're just going to play five centers all the time. We're basically going to be that Denver Nuggets graphic where it's like Bowl and Yokish and the buubble team where they just did that basically. Yeah, I mean, I think Marketing still has a great market. I mean, I think that you're going to be able to get something good. He's not distressed. I think his value is still really high. Nothing is really done. Nothing's really takaking the air out of that in my opinion. So you might be able to go and really take take a stab at answering some more of your back courourt questions. And it doesn't mean that uante' gone. It's just I think that that boozer in Utah makes a whole lot of sense because he has personal experience. That's another thing you're thinking about with Utah is You know, he has personal experience with Utah and he might hang around, you know, since his dad is there or maybe he wants to get away from his dad. I don't know, but do have thoughts on that Yeah, I do think it's fascinating with Carlos being involved. And I think that obviously there's a lot of familiarity between the Boozer family and the Utah jazz. Also like the Kevin loveove comp that I've seen throw out a lot with Cam Boozer. I think that you know going to Utah maybe that helps with that comp for a lot of people. I also think just in general, I mean, Cam Boozer's passing ability. I know he's a big, but I just think being able to create is maybe a little bit underrated at this point. There were times during the season with Duke where They didn't have a true point guard and Kayden Boozer was still kind of getting his feet underneath them and they just said, Hey, Cam, you take the ball late in the game and you handle business for us. And I do think that at times he can kind of be that player for them as well. The Kessler thing is strange. I know he's asking for a lot of money. So the front court doesn't seem as short up as it maybe, you know was kind of thought. So I think that this is almost a safe pick for Utah. and as far as the long, you know, kind of game for what Utah wants, I think that Cam boozer fits and checks a lot of boxes and I wouldn't be shocked if the Agees had boozer at number one on their board. And for them this might be in their mind getting the number one pick. So I just think that that's the reason why it makes a lot of sense to me. I think Cam Boozer is a low maintenance star that you bring in there and I think that fits really well in Utah. And I've heard a lot of the talk about like Kiante George and Waserman slash the team and kind of, you know, they don't want to step on his toes and the Darren Peterson would make that an issue. I don't buy that as much. I feel like that's agent propaganda that's been put out to the people, but I don't think that really matters here. and I thinkam Boozer at number two makes a lot of sense. Boozer would make Kante's life a little bit better because a lot of the questions about Guillante are like, is this guy ever going to be a true offensive engine? Th those were the pressures and burdens put on him. You know, the efficiency shooting getting off the ball. Having a playmaker like Boozer, I think would make Kuante's life maybe have him settle into a role that's more natural for him. This is kind of shaping up to be the ultimate test of like fit versus talent here because you have a team like Utah going out and getting Jaron Jackson basically just to sit him to do that in advance of the off season so you could get the business done early. And I have to wonder like, do the jazz all of a sudden start to regret that? I know they don't know that they were going to leap up into the top of the draft And obviously they hadn't had a lot of luck before that, but now they're in a situation where like if they wanted to go cam, then things get super confusing. It's funny, Ky, but the way you kind of laid it out where it's like you could just fucking trade Laarry Market. It is true. L you don't have to keep all of the players there. This doesn't have to be a problem for as long as you wanted to. But having said that, like all of a sudden, your leverage on all the situation just craters right? Like And I guess the question is like from there for you, Kyle, like Is it Laowry that doesn't fit at that point? Would you be thinking if you have Cam and you're just like best player. I'm going to I'm going just build my team around him and shift things from there. Is it? Lowerry that doesn't fit. Is it Kessler ultimately? Is it Jerin? like who's the guy that is the odd manan out It's tough because I think once if you assume they're going to take Boozer, Boozer can take guys off the dribble a little bit can kind of straight line go to the basket. Jaron can do that too. You just, you don't want to stack too many sort of hats on hats with guysuys who can't get to the rim or who can't create off the drible because I don't have any doubt about the spacing between like Boozer and Market in and Jackson even together, but that's kind of a stagnant downownhill idea because especially if you have Ace Bailey and you believe in him, he's not like a super downhill guy either. So I would imagine you could go for five with Boozer and Jackson have ace at the at the three and then I think you would have you would need to have some kind of drink stirring guys who could create off the balnce at the one and the two. you know, they have some options there. But I think Lowerry would be the guy that would come to mind for me just because You love his shooting, but He's still so valuable just kind of circling back to that point about and you know, maybe you're right. Maybe teams will see that and be like, we know you want to get rid of him. They I'm sure that they could figure out a way to play this because there are a bunch of contenders that would probably enjoy having Lowry. So I think you could get some assets for him. That's just the direction that I would go, but in terms of the ball I think the ball handling is kind of the key kind of stressing variable there that would make me someomewhere out there is a Chevy truck person who dries it It's a Chevy person. Probably no one Your buddy, your sister, ones who always show up, do the first to rise, the last to leave. They always have that little extra something, and maybe you've got it too Chevrolet, togetheret let's drive. Visit Chevy dot com slash trucks to explore the lineup. that would make me. that would drive whatever choice I make Imagine if you're lowry and you spent three years just throwing away like the prime of your career and then they fucking trade you It's's absolutely brutal. But I guess like if anyone's going to do it, it's going to be the Angees U All right, Memphis at three, Tate. Is this an easy choice for you? Like is this clear cut It's tough because, you know, obviously to me, I mean, Darren Peterson at number three makes a lot of sense. And I think, you know, looking at that team. I think Cedric Card is the perfect kind of guy that you can pair with his personality next to a Darren Peterson because Cedric is a guy who can be more forward facing. He is a gregarious guy, very affable guy. So I think that it kind of works as far as that. I like Jayalen Wells A lot is appeased then obviously, you have a distressed asset with John Morand and they're going to probably shop him around, I would assume. And if you bring Darren Peterson in, I think that's a perfect situation where, hey, thanks a lot, Jh. We appreciate your time here, but we're moving on to our next guard here in Darren Peterson. And I think the fact that Darren can play a true point guard role, at least we suspect and also can play off the ball as he showed to Kansas I think that also is a very intriguing thing for them. I know that there's a lot of conversation about Peterson not willing to work out for anybody but the wizards. I don't read too much into that. I think Memphis has kind of understood the cold shoulder that they're willing to get, especially when it comes to agents and their players and what they want. and a big market seems to be always to sell I do think that if I'm here at number three, you got those two guys off the board. I think you're licking your chops a little bit. I know Boozer would be great in Memphis. I think personality wise. He and Coward would be great together. But I think that Darren Peterson is just too tantalizing. So at number three, give me Darren Peterson and let him pop there in Memphis. and I think that he could end up being a star. I was I thought you were going to butt that right there. I was I was waiting for them Cle Wilson. And I thought for sure he's he's keeping us on our toes. It's funny how like there are some markets. I was thinking about this the other day that are They're not going to be like on the apps, you know, they're not going to be get dates just off the off the first glance on the apps of just like, you know they're going, you know, whatever. Turf And then there're but yeah, keep going. And then and then there're the're swiping left originally Yeah. Right R. S this is I missed the entire app, all that stuff. So I didn't even know what how to like correctly address the reference. But anyway Yeah. and then' then they're the teams that are like likeike Memphis and Utah like they're like we know you keep hearing about this. They're like we're used to all this like nonsense of the bullshit of of, you know, we won't work out. You don't initially want to go here. They're more of the teams that are like We go to church. they know like we go to church together. you're going to kind of see me and we'll win you over. I feel like that's kind of the analog. It's like LA and the big markets. they're like we know we're we're going to get we're going to get some action on the apps. but I don't know. I was just thinking about that the other day It's a personality connection. Yeah.. Totally, totally. I read from the Peterson thing from afar was that he knew he wasn't going number two and that he was just breaking up to continue this torture metaphor a little bit farther than anyone imagined I could. Tr Well, it was good when you did it. It was George when I got it back. When he just knows he's not going to Utah that cam stuff is real. He's probably going to go to and he just wanted to get ahead of that in order to save face. Does that like Is that at all possibility, Kyle U it's possible. it's hard to know what's going on with that camp to be honest with you, man. I mean, he might just want to go number one and take the other the other thing that you were talking about that I think is interesting is like As much as I really, really enjoyed and one of my favorite things about Peterson this past year was him going on and off ball a lot, like him showing the offball stuff I'm not convinced that he is excited about that. Like I kind of feel like Peterson is just like I'm hardarden. I'm a system. Like that's I kind of wonder if that's how he is because I think the strongest thing about him is that he can go on and off ball like that I also just think in the West as we saw with the Spurs, like having multiple guards and versatile guards, I think you're going to have to have a plethora to really make sense. And I think for him, it's like I can shoulder some of this burden early on in a game. I can pass it off to Cedric if I need to for a little while, let him do what he needs to do. I can take it back in the crunch time moments, you know what I mean? So I think there's a sell there to Darren Peterson that maybe buys into where it's like, we're not going to put all this on your plate from the start. And then when you have shooters like a Jallen Wells around you and some of these other pieces that Memphis has been able to acquire Yeah, Cam Spencer, like they just have one the Grizzers have just done a great job drafting in general. like if you go back through their draft history, I mean, it's just hit after hit after hit. So I mean, they've been able to figure it out. And I just think that once they get into the building, they can sell the idea. I think Memphis the city will really galvanize around a guy like Darren Peterson. And maybe if he feels that love and feels like, hey, I'm the franchise guy. everybody knows me, everybody loves me. We see like a better version of him because at Kansas it felt like at times He was almost antagonistic towards like the fans because they expected so much from him. He had the you know, interesting issues, you know, not playing in games. They kind of all turned and started to love Melvin Cnseil, who was his backcourt partner instead of him. It just got into a weird awkward situation. I don't think that Cedric Coward has the personality to want to take away. I think they're all going to try to get him to invest and involve himself That's going to be a win for him in the end. but I'm with you. I think that he's got to be on ball originally just to keep him engaged. And then from there it's like, hey, that's a lot to put on your plate. Let's help you out a little bit. Cedric, you take over. Let's pass the baton. And I think this is a tough team. So I think that, you know, Darren Peterson eventually buys in That seems like the perfect context for someone who presumably just wants to run his own team because there are very few options where like a team is just waiting for their next st. If anything, everyone has someone or they already have that one growing in house. And so other than maybe like the nets or the kings who aren't going to be in this area. And so like to get into Memphis feels like even though perhaps like won't be the best market. I don't know if they'll be in love with like the hotel selection there h, but Living there, he won't have to worry about it. But it does feel like he could be the engine for what's next there because you're right. They do such a good job mining guys from the middle of the draft, the back end of the first round. They'll be able to support it. But what they need is a new focal point regardless of what's going to happen to Jh. If anything, Jah is just there until he's not, he's just a way station until we get to what's next and Peters could very much be that guy. Yeah, the cryptic jw tweet after they draft Peterson would be what I was interested in. You know, like that's what I'd be watching out for. like the thinkinking face or whatever it is, you know, that would be great It's kind of interesting that to think about if if somehow this just like really reset the job situation and we could get John and Peterson together. like that would be pretty And then you put Cedric at the three and then I don't know, but if I'm Memphis I would be going in this with a little bit of trepidation because you come out of this area where your superstar basically just kind of like lights fire to the whole situation and you're like, allrighty, here we go. let's jump out of that right back into another like, you know Darren may acquit himself of that stuff immediately. It's hard to say. it's, you know, that's and that's been the the crux of all the debate about him is like, you know, how how much of this is a bug and how much of this is a feature with Peterson? like what went on at Kansas? And I think if you're picking him, there's some worry about that. And if it were Memphis, yeah, I would I would be going into that being like, did we just sign up for another troublesome superstar Um But the talent is so immense, man. I've said, I've said it repeatedly. he's the most offensively talented player in this draft. but That alone isn't enough to take you to number one or bet Number four, Chicago Bulls, Kyle, I think you're up. I am. You know, I'm going to take Caleb Wilson here shocker, shocker, shocker.. Wilson the bulls are basically a formless void at this point to me. I don't really even know for sure. what's nailed down is a really interesting conversation with them You got a new, you know, you got a new philosophy coming in. We used to be able to kind of predict what they were going to do because because of what Archros is draft history. Bryon Graham comes in and it's hard to know which direction he's going to go at this team. I mean, Gidy might stay. he might go. It seems to me like Buzelus is the guy who has the most kind of flexibility positionally and like what direction he could go play style wise. I think you pair Buzelus and Caleb Wilson just as a starting point together. that is a really spatciially, I think Giddy Buzealus and Wilson is a little troublesome, but I think Bzealus and Wilson is a really really fun wing pairing. And then, you know, the Blls have another pick in this draft too. They could pick something that really compleliments those two guys. So I like this pick. I think Chicago would love Gallea Bulls. What do you think Yeah, I think it's just this is a no brainer for Chicago. You just get to sit there and watch the other three teams kind of battle it out and kind of, you know, try to figure out where they want to go with this. And then you sit there and you say, Okaykay, we'll take Caleb or they could take Darren Peterson. Let's say that Memph decides to go for Caleb. likeike whoever's there at number four, I think they feel good. They also don't have to really do anything. They just need to sit there and wait it out. And I know there's been a lot of conversation about kind of Caleb's you know, three point shooting and I think he finished like twenty six percent on a very low volume there. But as far as like the mechanics of it all, like it isn't broken. And if you watch them in the mid range, like the touch, the feel. I think it's all there. I think it will eventually get to a place where it does translate. So I'm not too concerned about that. And as far as like the flashes and the instincts, they're all there with who Kayla Wilson is. And I just think there's a lot of two way upside for him. I think defensively he's going to buy in. I think he's going to take a lot of onus on that side of the ball, especially early in his career because he understands if you play defense, you're going to get on the court So I just think for Caleb and then as far as like the personality, like this guy is going to lean all the way into Chicago. He's going to be everywhere. He's going to be eating Chicago dogs. he'll be at white sox games. like he's just going to be a man of the people and completely get bulls fans excited about the future. And I think that's just Chicago fans have just been waiting for something positive to believe in. and I think Caleb Wilson gives them something to believe in. So I think it's an easy pick at number four for them. and I'm excited to see what it looks like So I know things didn't go great for a guy or Turis, but the one thing that I always kind of saw in the midst of all the shit that was happening there was that his basic theory, I thought rang true, which is like he wanted guys with a size who could dribble past shoe, right? He wanted athletes, He wanted multiple ball handlers. It worked well from the start with Lonzoneels, Caruso basically ripping and running and like kind of opening things out from there Obviously, things did not go well practically since that first season But like at the very least, there's still the guts of that identity. I think they were kind of trying to like re jigger like where they were in order to lean more toward guys that they were getting in the draft. And I think one good thing about putting Tiago in there, it really seems like he spiritually wants to carry on that. Like his offense, especially the one that he ran in France before he got to the Portland was very much like the La Roche style where you're moving U a lot of like the no screen stuff and a lot of guys that would thrive in that environment. And so I do feel like Kyle like Bazzealous, Caleb, even Gdty for now, even if he isn't a long term guy. These are guys that kind of fit that sort of identity. Yeah, it's it's That b that little hiccup where we had Derosen and and Caruso and Lonzo. that was a I feel like it was just like three months, right where they were where they were number one team in the East or the NBA over like the first two months. Yeah. Yeah, it was just like a bunch of handlers out there. I mean, if we're if we're being like literal and we're talking about them doing the, it's so funny that the like Noah La Roche thing became like a standard household term in basketball. People may have no idea what the hell we're talking about. It's just like a it's an interesting, it's a style of like spacing and and cutting after a ball handler drives for people who don't know. There's a lot of good YouTube videos about it out there. But I mean, I mean, that's going to stress That's going to stress Caleb's that he needs to work on in the shorterm. I think and that's one of the big questions I'veard from other scouts is like the driving kick stuff is like can he grow in that way? which may if they do end up playing with the bigger ball handler thing that might suggest that Caleb plays like four and five most of the time, like Dunker spot catching los types of stuff. Yeah. spepeaking to just the skills and things like that. I agree with. L I think the shot's going to be there. you know, he shot like seventy one percent from the line. like the touch is good. anyytime he got to his spots, it look nice. So I think he's probably going to be like stationary shoot from three, but I think he's going to get there. and the defensive upside is just off the charts. He is so much stuff. his defensive impact for what it was considering how loose his technique is was pretty crazy. And if you just think about if he tightensed some of that stuff up, he could become one of the best offensive players in the league Before we get to the rest of the draft, why don' we take a quick break, come back, do that The Ringer NBA show is brought you by Fandl. Another NBA season is in the books, but the fun doesn't have to stop there. On the biggest stage in the world, Fandle is changing the game because sometimes your player gets subed off and your bet goes with them. Not anymore. With Fandal super sub, if your player is subed up, your bet stays in. That's right, if your player leaves the match, your bet continues on with the substitute. So you're still in it until the final whistle Because in matches like these, anything can happen and now your bet can go the distance. Visit fandal dot com slash ringer MBA to get started. twenty one plus select states or eighteen plus DC, Kentucky, Wyoming, gambling problem, callall one eight hundred gambler, call one eight eight eight, seven eight nine, seven seven, seven seven or visit ccpG dot org slash chat in Connecticut All right, number five, Tate you're up and this is where the next tier of guys starts to come in. you basically have your pick here and it really is kind of eye of the beholder. So where are you going? number five with the cllippers? Yeah, I tease this at the top. I just think that he's the most electric guard on the board. I like his size. I do think that a lot of people, Yeah, Mikeael Brown junior is the pick. I won't you know sugarcoat it anymore here. I know that a lot of people talk about it' three point shooting. It's like thirty five percent for the season, but He takes a lot of threes, which means he has a lot of confidence. and I really like the shot. I think he has a really nice shot. I think the volume is there because he believes in his shot. I think he has good vision. I think he's big. I think he's a really good passer. I know there's the back issues that a lot of people have talked about. The medicals have come back pretty clean. There were some weird stuff. He's kind of like the light Darren Peterson situation in college this year where he didn't get the same kind of fanfare about it, but there were some weird things that were happening at Louisville and Some issues, you know with his playing time and things like that, but man when he does play, he's got a lot of firepower. I think that you know, the clippers here are just trying to find someone that can play next to a Garland who could fit in with the Ki Leonard. When I talked to him last spring, I asked him like who's the best player in the draft, right? And I you know, I kind of gave him the three guys to choose from at the time, which was Boozer, AJ and Darren Peterson. and he said me Which I thought was a great answer. And I just kind of like laughed at it and I was like, okay, you know, Michael Brown definitely believes in himself. So I just think he's got a lot of a lot of energy. I think he's got a lot of belief in himself. and I think he's going to be ready to roll. You get him out to L.A. He's working out here today, which is Thursday. I know they had a really good workout with Burry's the other day. I think it was a couple days ago, But I just think once they see Mikeel in person, see his size, see his ability and watch him go through a workout, they're going to fall in love with him And I think if they don't trade back, this is a perfect pick for the clippers at number five. Yeah, Mikeael's always kind of hovered around that top three almost like a little brother. Like, you know, we saw him, you know, in Portland at the hoop some It was like you got the guys and then it was like, o, Mikeael's pretty good too. It was He was always sort of in that order. For people who don't know to, I mean, the stuff that went on at Lisille it was like there was a back injury and there was a lot of like causality argument that went on that caused tension that you can read about that went on out there where it was just I think that caused a lot of unrest in the program. And then My main things with him are the defensive. He's pretty skinny. He's shown to like he's probably going to get attacked. not that that's a unique thing among the guards in this draft. And I've worried about the finishing at times too. But the shooting, I think is is the strongest argument for him. You're talking about his audacity and his confidence. I mean, he shot forty point four percent on threes in the pick and roll this season. So he can get get it off in every which way. I mean, you can run him off of screens. you can have him as a drible pull upp shooter he' he's very versatile in that way and he's ambidextrous with his passing game. I think that's another thing that's really nice about Mike Kel. And he's grown. he's grown to he's bigger than a lot of these guys. So he and Wagler are sort of peers in terms of the bigger live dribble kind of creator scores in this class So my understanding with Mike Kel, when I've only watched like two games and I remember like getting the big waff of like Lameello vibes from him, mayaybe not just like in how he plays, but maybe how how he carries himself. But everything you hear is just like the upside is there. And yet, as I'm reading the NBA draft guy we have on the ringer from our guy Kyle Man, you have him twelfth So like not only past the group of guards that I think could go here, but beyond even guys like Hans Steinbach U and your guy quQitts am I getting any of theseQs quQts with them. My rule of thumb is you gott to be good enough for me to pronounce your name properly, you know? Like Janis got so good. I learned like the Nigerian version A Kumpo, you know what I mean? Like that's how good he got. So I think you get there eventually. We got past the tier of guys that I knew and then I'm like, oh shit I I actually don't know how to pronounce this guy. never said this out loud. But anyway, Michael Brown, you have at twelve.. So are you just not a believer No, no. I mean, that's I would say no, no, that's not the case. It's just I think my archetype like Tar where I have him is maybe a little different than the way other people see. I think I think people see him as like a pure offensive engine and I'm not totally there in terms of you mentioned Lameello. Lameello's thing is just kind of like kinetic kinetic, kinetic, Konnecticut, moving moving and moving. like just always and has a lot of flare in I kind of wonder about that with Michael about like physicality inside the ark can his game does his game need to be at the speed that he constantly plays at? Can he slow down and be a little bit more of similar to to another guy that we're getting ready to talk about? And That's been my biggest thing, which has made me kind of slide him more into the archetype of the Chillantes or the or the like Anthony Simmons is another guy that I bring up a lot with him. It's like a good These guys are scorers. It's like are they max contract offensive engine guys. I can't quite get there. That's the line that I that I'm below with Mikeael. but he's an undeniable talent. So and he could outperform that make me look stupid. That's extremely possible. All right, Nets are up now. Kyle. So you have your pick of guards here. You have Wagler as your fifth guy. You have Bures at six Do they take another point card though? likeike that's the problem with me with Brook right now. I'm like how many point cards can one team take? Like you talked about all cners starting? Like is this a team of all point cards at some point? my go God Well, I mean, Wagler differs from all the other playmakers that they've taken and that he can shoot the freaking ball they just Jesus Christ. No, I mean Waggler and Yagor together would be a pretty impotent downhill idea, I think, but Wager can get into the pain and has some I was talking about Mike Kell about how the sort of pace and the speed that he plays at Keaton is the opposite. Keaton is very slow. like I'm It's not that he's like a slow athlete laterally. It's just he has a way more exacting kind of incremental way that he plays and it's very mature. And I think it's only going to advance and get better. I think he's going to become a technique wizard as he continues to get better. And I think he also, we were talking about going on and off ball with Peterson, Keaten is good enough that he can play offball during the times when he's not kind of getting his taking his lumps as a primary creator. Sos he's a legitimate big time shooter. I have a lot of belief in him in that sense. So the question, I guess will be like the, you know in the actual draft is whether or not they want to put him next to Garland. I think his size kind of you know, eases some of that the worry on that front. defensively probably still be a question. you know, peopleeople have brought up a whole lot that in the half court Wagler like doesn't dunk. like he's only had like one dunk in like the past three years across multiple levels. So and he's six six, which, you know, how much do you care about that? Your mileage may vary, but I think that Waggler is a big time talent. I'm a big fan Hey, where are you Waggler I'm a big fan. I think that the only only issues I really have with Wagler is just like when he has defensive pressure, which he's going to face in the playoffs. like I think he'd be a great regular season player early on in his career. But once he gets like actual guys like a Steph Castle picking up Wagler to me, if I forecast in the future, I don't like the promise of that, but if he goes to a team like Brooklyn, he'll have some time to develop and kind of fight through some of those hiccups that he willll have early on. And I do think as far as being able to kind of get off ball, be a catch and shoot guy to get into a rhythm and then I think you can kind of load into him being a primary ball handler throughout his career I think that is something that I see as far as like forecasting what his future looks like. But yeah, I'm a big fan. I think whenever you have a guy like this that is kind of an under under the radar prospect, there's probably a little bit of imposter syndrome that you have to fight through early on in his career. So I think bringing him into a system, having time and a runway for him to develop into the player he can be is a best case scenario. So Brooklyn to me would be a great fit. and I think he could play like a two guard type situation as well and just get some shots up, get into a flow. and then the more that you kind of believe and see, especially in the pick and roll, you're like, all right, let's give him the keys and let him go. So I'm a big fan I wonder how far he could slide down depending on if teams kind of fall in love with some more sure guys, you know, like a Kingston Flemings or Bradenburrys or something like that. But I'm a big fan of Waggler as a player I almost wish he stayed a little bit farther under the radar. likeike he didn't pop as much as he did at Illinois because it seems like he's the type of guy who would benefit a lot from the players around him. like the kind of theory of like putting him in the warrior system or like well around more veterans so he could flow around there and then just steadily gain more and more. But if you're drapped him at five or six even, like you're kind of expecting a lot from him at least from the jump I guess if the clippers hold on to Garlland, like at the very least there's be a little bit more of a timehare there before they seed to him. but like I don't know, just like just just straight from the jump. like it feels like he's the type of guy who needs a little bit more time and the clippers I mean If they're going to keep Kawai, they're going to actually compete at the very least for a playing spot for the immediate. So I don't know. Seven kings ere going this feels like the obvious one. and I think everybody is sort of pointed to the fact that this is obvious. I mean, Dar is A I think for me the kings are going to be between two guards who are totally different stylistically. I think it's going to be a c for Kingston Flemings. I think Flemings is sort of your Davyon Mitchell, defensive stopper and hope that he grows into more of an offensive prospect as time kind of wanes on But I just think when you have a player like Darius Acff who is so tough, scores at three levels, distributes, plays well of the pick and roll Excellent at setting the pace kind of has a moxy as almost like a veteran type mindset. I know defense has been a very scrutinized point when it comes to Darius A cuff, but I'm of the camp that when you have a guy like this who is just someone that can one sell tickets and to get people to believe in him as a true star in this league. I know he's a little bit undersized, but they have the relationship. Scott Perry and his dad are very close. I know BJ. Armstrong, who's the assistant GM there has had his eye on ACuff for quite some time. I thought they were going to have to trade up for Darius at some point And we were talking about this and Ky was like, what are they trading? You know what I mean? Like what do they have to offer to trade up? which I think is a very fair conversation. So if the kings are sitting there at seven, A cuff is still in the board. I think it's an easy decision for them. I think they take Darius A Cuff and they are very excited about what his future looks like. And he's had a lot of NBA and basketball people around him for quite some time And I think he's really gonna grow into a superstar. And I think getting him at number seven is a steal for the Sacramento King. So I'm going to take Darius A cuff If you're trying to trade up for A cuff there's big like Michael Scott with the oven mitt in the Christmas episode. He' like Oh, look at this craftsmanship, you know very well I don't really know who they're who they're going to dangle. But yeah, A cuff The thing that I've heard people bring up and this is a serious worry is just like Is he going to be in the running for worst defensive player in the league. Like he's going to get targeted a whole lot. You hear that about Treay Young, you hear that about Guante, you hear people, you know, so these these skinny guys who are scorers, it's like U It's going to be an up uphill battle and he's going to have to prove a lot of people wrong because that noise is pretty loud Well let me ask you this because you're talking to a lot of draft people, a lot of elite people, a lot of college people at this point. Did the Jalen Brunson winning a title thing have any effect on everyone? Is everyone all of a sudden being like, I don't know, A cff, you get the right system around him? I don't know if that's in Sacramento, but like if you get him to the right team, are people going to be more open to that But I mean, It's interesting because ACuff and Brunson are very different stylistically, if you just want to talk about the basketball side of it Brunson really sets up shop and the paint in a way that that ACuff doesn't. A lot of ACuff's trips to the rim are passing. He kind of is shooting a floater kind of just going, you know, Brunson goes in there and just like he builds camp and he's just like, I'm cool. I'm content. I got all the little up upfakes and everything. But on the human side of it, I think it is it is a pretty interesting idea where It does mirror the Nicks a little bit where youre you're drafting familiarity, or're drafting somebody that you know a lot about that and but the difference being here that he played at Arkansas with like if you want to go and like surround him with the other dudes who were in Arkansas, you're not going to have the same results. I can't even think of a take this is I was curious to throw this to you. like Is there a parallel for the Villanova thing? I honestly Justin, I think your Yukon teams are the closest thing. Like if a team was like, I'm going to go we have Castle. let's go get Klingon. let's go get cararavan. like I don't even know if it's replicable like in terms of how they went about drafting guys that had history together. Yeah, I think Ugon' the right answer. And obviously Barret, you can speak to that even more. but I think that's the only one that these days that would really fit. I mean, maybe there's like, I mean we've seen the Duke thing try to work out RJ. Barrett and Cam Reddish once upon a time and I think they both hated each other more than people really suspected at the time. And Villanova with Jay Wright is kind of coached in a different but similar way with Dan Hurley. So I think they have the DNA that's built into him and Um I think when you understand the ultimate goals there, you have championship DNA, you know, to use one of those, you know, things that everyone likes to point out. I think UCO would be the obvious answer. and u, you know, even if there's like Yeah, I mean, caravan to me is one of those guys where you know, early second round, you might just bring him in if you're like to spurs. I don't know what pick they have exactly around in that area. But maybe you just do that and say, hey, this guy knows how to play with him, knows how to find space, good jump shooter. We feel good about that. So yeah, I think Ukon's the obvious answer Wemby for clinging, just lock it in now Comment ACf in Sacramento just quickly. It's just so funny because it feel like they've been drafting team leaders who want to be there for so long. I'm sure this one will go right. whole other story. eight Atlanta Hawks K. I've thought a lot about this lately naturally. I feel like Kingston Fleummings would be amazing in Atlanta. I think that there's been a whole lot of talk among Hawks fans about like, well, we do need a big, but if you're getting, if you're in this situation I've had people also say that this is purely a best player available franchise. So I think Kingston kind of checks both boxes in terms of needs and he's a high upside player where. I think if you put his speed and his ability to pass the ball, which I think is underrated in there with the guys that could protect him. defensively. I think he's going to do fine defensive defensively because he's, you know, fast and he's pretty strong and he's really competitive I just think if you put him next to Dyson Daniels, Jayla Johnson, just all the link that they have, he would be an awesome compliment and I think he would help that team in the short term I agree T, you want to go with Dallas at nine Yeah, I think this is, you know, after all the shuffling of the deck with the guards, I think that you look at this guy and you're saying, well, why wasn't he taken already Braddon Burryess out of Arizona, Another guy that I think defensively doesn't get talked about enough. I think he's a really good defender. There was a lot of conversation about Darren Peterson dodging the game against Arizona. I think some of that was fair speculation because I think he saw Braddon Burryes and was like, I don't know if I want any of that. And I think that C hasan just thinking about it. you know I say I think there was some of that involved. I don't want to read too much into the line there. But yeah, led the Wildcats and scoring has a really balanced kind of shot profile in general, can get down to the rim, can be a catch and shoot guy. I just think that, you know, if you're Dallas, you're sitting there, you see all these guards that are coming off the board and you say to yourself, hey, feel pretty good about Braden Burrys. He's a little bit older too So I think he can help you in the short term. I think can help you in the long term. And again, I just think that he is a really solid person from what I've heard. Everybody hass enjoyed him being around him. He's had great workouts. So as far as being able to put him with the team that is hoping for larger aspirations, he doesn't have to be the franchise guy when you have flag there already, mayaybe there's some mentorships that could happen with the Kyrie Irving as well. We'll see how that works out I just think Burry's there with the Maricks would be a really good fit Burry's and flag is just match madeaid in heaven. If and when the Burry' report came out about him being considered at five If he gets taken at five, I'm going to be insufferable Justin. I'm just going to warn you because there was a whole lot of whole it may it's just because I said that it's going to go the other way. Karma is going to kick me in the ass, but there a whole lot of mouthy commenters saying I was an idiot for mocking that there. Bures is a playoff player, man. I mean, like you talking like you're talking about the ball pressure Tate. He's going to dish it out and I kind of feel like he's going to be able to take it. like I just think that that's an increasingly demanding filter for guards coming into the league like Burs is tough on both both ways, man. Right. And if you're going this based off of like the new front office regime, not only you Jerry, but Mike Schmidzt is in there. like what is his type of player? It seems like it's very much this type. There's two A guys with some skills. Chinese and big, right? Is there? Not anymore. That's our problem here in Portland. Just left us with a bag. That's fine. I still believe in Yng. I still believe Number ten. The Mckkey Bucks Let's go out on this one. hearing a lot of neate ament vibes Right? But I keep looking at Kyle Mann's draft board and I keeps scrolling I don't know where to find him. Oh wait now here he is at twenty. Kyle is not a fan of native Ment. Here's my issue with with with Aint and with Chris Senak from Houston is I It's not that I'm I'm always careful to put it this way. It's not that I'm out on these players. It's just their draft position represents the value or the level of investment and confidence. It's like it's not that I don't think it could happen. It's just, am I comfortable in the investment with a player who is a hypothetical kind of stretch three four who has like no room pressure Amitt was really bad in the paint this this season using Senak as the other guys just like a guy who seems more to like terrified to go in the paint that those guys if if you're not if you're a hypothetical on both sides of the spectrum there, I'm just kind of like, well, you better be and and I just worry about Amit What is he going to turn into? Now granted he has a lot of just positives. I mean, he's pretty He's a smooth mover. He's a smooth player with the ball. I think he's got some passing upside They may see him, you know, we were text and know we keep referencing this and I know this is annoying to listen to for people. We keep referencing text messages we had Bill and house and we're talking about where the where the the star bets are in this draft and we all kind of agree that it falls off after like nine ten. And if you're if you're a team like Milwaukee who's going to be retooling that everybody expects, you know, Yan us to be traded here in soon You're in a position to make a bat like that, I think. So you know If I'm Milwaukee, I'd be considering that rather than going with like an established kind of role player the talent back because when am I going to have the chance again based on their pick situation? So I it makes sense, but that's where I stand I don't know what you So you're going to take Native minute number ten. This is this isn't my board. This is what we're projecting what could happen. Okay. Well let me ask you this then just just quickly like if it was you, who would you take given all the players that are off the board at this point. If it was just Kyle Man in that war room, like who are you turning in I mean, tenen on my board is Jaden AQuaints, but there's a lot of disagreement about whether or not he's healthy I think he has the highest defensive upside of all the bigs in this draft. And for me that's a Yaxel, you still have all of the Michigan guys practically Mara Mara is interesting and likeate, I don't know where you far fall on Mara, but like seems like he's the type of guy who could go higher depending on if you're a true believer there. Where you on Mara? whereere would you go at ten if you had the pick? Yeah. I mean, I think the question with Mara is like, if you're bringing him to a team to be an actual franchise type guy, I don't think that's the right fit. I think he has to go to a team where he's just like a plug in to an already kind of established order of things. And I think really just kind of like figuring out how long could he play an effect a game, you know what I mean? It's like the motor of a die Mar would be the big question. But the skill was obviously there So I think for, you know, some of the teams kind of like in the twelve to sixteen range feels more like Mara. evenven Atlanta as Kyle mentioned before, mayaybe that makes sense for Mara. But again, it has to be like an established order that's already there. real team. that just needs like another piece there at the center. I mean, Nada Men is an uncommon type player. I mean, dribble pass shoot, his growth plates are still open. He can still grow. He's six hundred eleven as it currently stands. So I mean, there is upside And if we know anything about Milwaukee's history, this is a team that took Thon maker number ten, right? So we have to understand that they have taken big swings before. So it would not shock me at all if they did that again. So I think that's why a men is kind of there. If they wanted to be a little bit safer, maybe they go with the Yaxsl Lindeborg just to bring him in and say, hey, we have a nice piece. Maybe it's a trade piece that some other teams could have some interest in and maybe they just go for the safer oute there. But I do think Natative Mitt makes a lot of sense I'veenilwaukee Bucks fans very upset about this, but I think there's a world in which if aint goes to a clean slate type team, kind of has a free runway, doesn't have expectations, doesn't have pressure. he could develop in three years. We're saying, how did Naitt not go top five in the draft? Be he does have that type of talent But we saw him at Tennessee seem spooked by the paint, willing to fade away at any at any juncture just to stay away from the rim. So I think those are the things that kind of keep you away. And obviously when you watch someone that intently and that closely, it does make it a little bit harder to kind of buy in. But yeah, number ten for me, I think the safe pick would be Linda Borg Even though I don't know how safe that actually is, but you know, I think they admit makes sense. Linda Borg, a point on that one There's a I've heard a lot of concern about the type of structure that it's going to take to get the most out of Linda Borg in the short term, Granta. He's a really talented player. I don't think that it's like he's like a cancer or anything like that. It's just more of a focus thing with him from what I understand. So him coming into a team that has like really established structure, really established development, like as strong as an organization And it's not that the bucks aren't strong. It's just that There's just no framework there in terms of who they are right now. You know, if Jonest were there and he was like, come on in here and be under my wingspan, young Yaxel, I would feel pretty good about that. But that's kind of my hesitation. And And we do this all the time where if you have a top ten pick, I think there's sort of a mirage that you're in a position to make an upside swing and that's one of the most dangerous places in the draft year in year out where you're straddling this like, well Should we not waste this opportunity to take this talent because we're here, teeams repeatedly do that and then we'll see players in the eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen range get looked over because they're not as sexy as the upside since and those are players like Donvan Mitchellot ofo Devin Booker, I mean, Say where did sheay go? It was eleven eleven. It happens a lot or the guys that seem like kind of less attractive ideas are just there in plain sight. It's hard to tell who that's going to be in this year's draft, but it happens every single year. Mhm whyy don't we wp it there Thank you, Tate. We went through the entire top ten. It's absolutely going to play out like this. So look forward to just telling you how right you are after the fact. No I want Bures to go number five so Kyle can have his victory lap. So that's what I'm rooting for. It's going to go eleven and it's going that's what I deserve He also hasn't met six on the board here. I just want to point that out like so he's confident, but he's like not all the way top five confident. It's just a stable idea to me. just I think Burryess is just I don't know. it might not there are people who think he has on ball upside too. If you think that, then yeah, I mean, he's Big Bures fan could see he could have played in the these playoffs. I think you could have I agree All right, Tate, thanks so much for joining us. Of course, appreciate you guys Why don't we wrap it there? Thank you to Victoria Valencia. Thank you to Ashley Smith for filling in today. 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