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Gambling problem, call one eight hundred Gambler, call one eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit CCPG dot org slash chat in Connecticut. This episode is brought to you by Tax Act. Taxes, trust me, they sound far more complex than they actually are, and it's all thanks to Tax Act. They make it easy to do taxes online, offering step by step guidance so you can finish your taxes ahead of the April 15th deadline and get your maximum refund guaranteed. If you get stuck, just add expert assist, get unlimited help from a credentialed US based tax expert. Visit tax act.com to learn dollars run faster It's a it's truly a Philly day here . Welcome to the Ringers Philly special. Sheel Kabati here with Zach Berman of the Athletic. We are what nine days, da10ys a way from the 2026 NFL draft? I could just see the excitement in ZB's eyes. So today we're gonna talk about first round targets. We've got a fun little exercise for you, but before that, Z B, we're gonna get to a little trade. Was it a Friday news dump trade? Equals trade for Dontavian Wicks last week was not on anyone's radar, I believe. Was not a news dump, I would say, but was Friday news. Uh like I don't think they were trying to sneak it in for no one to know because I I think this is a move that excites them, to be honest with you. I think this is a player that that they like, a player that they targeted. And you know this well, but he was in a loud jab in Green Bay. I think they think that there's more opportunity here in Philly, obviously. The coaching staff's familiar with him. I think sometimes that can be overstated . I don't think it's overstated when it's someone who is in the situation that he was in. And what I mean by that is Sean Mannion and Ryan Mahaffe understand the context of Green Bay. They understand the depth charts. They understand the organiz ational dynamics, they understand how, you know, how he could function in this offense. Uh maybe that could be overstated on their end, but I I do think that's relevant here. They gave him a contract extension. Uh this, is the biggest draft investment they've made in the position since training for Jahan Dotson. It's the biggest financial investment they made in the position since giving contract extensions to Devontae Smith and A.J. Brown. So this is not your flyer or your lottery ticket type move. This is the type of move you make when you have designs for the player to be on the depth chart. And then we'll see how this shakes out with A.J. Brown. I still expect A.J. Brown to Well they give a twenty twenty-six fifth and a twenty-twenty-seven sixth. This is a you know three first round picks CP here for Don tavian Wicks. No, but it's not nothing. I mean it's it's not like something. It's not it's nothing crazy, you know, that they uh gave up for now. The contract extension that's a little tricky, right? Because I believe there's an up to in there. There's no do we w w what are our uh what are we thinking there for the one year contract extension? Well I think the way they're viewing it is rolling this last year of his deal into the contract extension. So they so they look at it at two years of the player at take next year's value. We'll see what it is when the contract comes in. You know, could be up to eleven and a half, twelve million, but then we'll see that combined with the last year of his of of his rookie contract. And if that's the case, you're you're getting a player on the books for, you know, about six, seven million dollars a year, which I'll defer to you, but but but that's that's value for a starting wide receiver. So he's dots and money. Almost. He got on the free agent market. Yeah. Yeah. Um he's he's someone who uh he he struggles with drops, right? That's that's the book on him, but he can create separation. Um he has decent size, you know, six one, two, uh two oh eight or so. He uh he blocks well. Now you don't trade for a guy because he blocks well. Um I I think this is this is someone who ideally it in a if if this is in fact a post-AJ Brown world for the Eagles, you have Devontae Smith as your lead receiver, and then everyone else in the aggregate kind of fills in. And I imagine they're gonna have a rookie, which we'll discuss today and we'll discuss in next week's pod as well. Uh, but there will be a rookie in there along with Wicks. And then you hope that one of Hollywood Brown and Elijah Moore, you know, stands out. One of those guys. They're they're both lottery ticket signings. And then you'll see how Johnny Wilson and Darius Cooper and Man, they must really not like Darius Cooper, C Bay, with all these trades. I mean, I thought I thought maybe we would have a summer of them talking up Darius Cooper that hey he can be a real player for us, but they're just adding a r a new receiver every week. So I don't it doesn't look like that's gonna be the case. Yeah, I think I think Cooper's fighting for a roster spot, but I th I would give him the edge. Oh, I I think by the end of the year he was kind of pushing Jahan Dotson to be honest with you. Um which I I know is damn it with fame praise . Oh but I mean almost as good as the best third tight end in the NFL. That's the bar for compliments for that spot. Yeah. But uh realistically, I do think they they like Wix. It doesn't set the world on fire. I will push back on the idea that like it's it's just g I don't think they're they're giving away a fifth round pick this year and a sixth round pick next year just to take a a a a stab on somebody. They do that with if if they were trading a fifth and getting a sixth back or something like that, which are the types of deals they do often, that was kind of like what your John Mechie Harrison Bryant deal was. That's that's that's just that's taking a a lottery ticket here. I think giving two picks and giving money shows that this is someone who you have designed to be in your wide receiver rotation . But I I will push back on the idea that like I I've seen the you know when I I I I say I don't expect AJ Brown to be here and there's this I this idea, well Wicks can't replace A.J. Brown. Like this doesn't have anything to do with AJ Brown. And no, Dontavia Wicks does not replace A.J. Brown. You don't replace AJ Brown, but it's kind of like the scene in Moneyball where uh Brad Pitts, you know, who's the Billy Bean character, is saying they need to re place the production in the aggregate. I think that's kind of how they would look at it beyond Devontae Smith. Little pop culture from Z B on a Monday morning. How about it? Showing he's well rounded getting the getting the head nod from Cli Cffliff there. liked that one, little Rad Pitt. Any Aaron Sorkin movie? I am. That's right up my alley . All right. Uh Dontavian Wicks uh will be 25, entering his age 25 season here, originally a fifth round pick out of UVA in 2023. I was looking at some of the numbers here. Uh his production has declined in consecutive seasons as a rookie. 39 catches for 581, second season, 39 for 415, third season last year, 30 for 332. Looking at some of the advanced stats with MZB , there have been 89 wide receivers who have run at least 800 routes over the last three seasons. He ranks 40th in yards per route run, all pretty much exactly on the league average among wide receivers who actually play there in terms of in terms of yards after catch per reception ranks 45th, so below average. In terms of yards per reception, ranks 57th, so below average, and in terms of catch percentage, you mentioned the drops. He's had 13 drops over the last three seasons, ranks 55th in catch percentage. So that's below average. So uh has divided time outside and in the slot, but has played um, I think 150 plus snaps in both places every season here. So this is like an adequate, like you said, can play for you as one of your top three wide receivers. This isn't going to be someone who defenses are going to uh game plan for that you're going to be, you know, scheming up plays for Dontavian Wicks. I think he certain certainly sets the floor uh to a degree here. I do, you know, I I see that there, oh, there's a log j am in Green Bay. And that's true. If you look at their, you know, three starters there. They want to get Matthew Golden on the field more. They've got Christian Watson healthy. At the same time, he is on a rookie de al, and you know, like they have decisions to make with some of those uh other wide receivers on the roster where if they really liked him, certainly somebody you could hold on to for another year or that you could uh give an extension to , which they're not doing. They felt like they would rather have a 2026 fifth and a 2027 sixth for Dontavian Wick. So um yeah, I I I think you've assessed it well there. He looks like someone who's going to play for the Eagles this next season. I don't know that he's going to be a major part of the offense, but your coaching staff knows him. And Sean Mannion with the juice in the building right away. C beast saying, go get me that maybe when he was uh looking at taking the job, he said you gonna get me Don Tavian Wicks or not? Because that's gonna determine whether I'm coming to Philadelphia. How about it? Him putting his foot down here. He says, get rid of Stoutlin and get me Don Tavian Wicks. Those are the two those are the two conditions of me taking this job. Otherwise, I'm going back to Green Bay. And the Eagles say, Whatever you say, Mr. Mania, we'll do it. That'd be some way to use your equity, right? Uh yeah. It it was more to use your favorite term, part of the cohabitation matrix and and not as much like Sean Magan saying we need Duntapian Wicks. But I I I think there was the that dirty work role in the offense and you know i it it was like uh nix your handy loved alamine zacchaeas and like zach pascal they filled that way um and that's the I think that's in essence like Wicks is a better version of that. So in a in an ideal world for the Eagles, he's their third receiver next year. I don't anticipate him being their second receiver. And uh I I think they're gonna draft someone in the top fifty, top silver, top sixty, uh to be their number two wide receiver next year. Um and then look, I I know there's always a world in which AJ Brown comes back, but that that's my guess is that he's your third receiver, which is better than what he was in Green Bay, because like you said, when you have Jaden Reed and Christian Watson and Matthew Golden, uh, and they want draft invent ory. So it makes sense from both sides. More targets next year than Hollywood Brown, you would say. Yes? Yes. More snaps than Hollywood Brown. Yes. Okay. So he's slots in between Devontae Smith and kinda everyone else on the roster. Uh and we'll see what that looks like here. All right, C P . This was a very difficult exercise. So here's the exercise. I thought this was harder than maybe any other year I've done Eagles draft content. Do you agree with that? We say that every year. I don't say that every year. Okay. Some years I'm feeling great. I'm like, I got this nailed. Yeah. Yeah. I nailed a few in my day. You've nailed a few in your day where you're like , I feel good that they're gonna be drafting this guy or that it's gonna come from these three or four. Okay, that's true. Yeah, but this this year, I had no idea. No one was speaking to me. Sometimes it speaks to you where you're just going through the process and you say, Oh , this player really speaks to me from a coaching staff, front office, could be there when they pick. So our exercise today is to identify 10 first round, the 10 most likely first round targets for the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, this could be at 23. This could be a trade up. This could be a trade back. It's just these are the 10 most likely guys, at the end of the first round, when we're looking at it on that Thursday night, one of these players will be a Philadelphia Eagle. And then we want to see who how did we rank them? You know, did is my 10th guy your first guy? Now, I want to count down. Start with 10, move up to one. Now, having said that, if you have someone at 10, like you start us off and you say my 10th guy is this player, and I say, Oh, I'm not going to just wait. I'm going to say, oh, that was my third player. So that's how I wanna do it. You seem very uncomfortable with this C B. You wanna go one through ten. I don't know if this is an inverted pyramid thing or what, but talk to me about the anxiety you're feeling about a countdown here because you mentioned it right before we came on. You kind of mentioned it via text here. You don't like the countdown from 10 to 1. No, I I it's not that I don't like it. I'll I'll I'll explain here and I I will defer to you because I mean you're the star podcaster here, but the I I just think like when I listen to my pods, like you know, um I'm taking a walk or I'm um I'm in the car, and let's say I get to the first like, you know, like you and Fran had a great pod last week. And I got the first 45 minutes during a walk. And then I got like the next twenty so minutes uh during a car, you know, and like you're listening to it in multiple parts. Yeah. Um and so I'm I'm I'm thinking that we're we're waiting till the 80th minute of the uh pod to give like the most likely option, which which like if I'm the listener, I I thought I would want like like, give me who they're most likely going to take. No, no, that's not our average listener is a completest. Now, clip has numbers. I don't have the numbers, but I would imagine the high percentage of this podcast they're listening to every minute of the episode. They're not turning this bad boy off 25 minutes And listen, if they do, that's their prerogative. They're going to miss out on the good stuff. We want to build up the suspense here, go from 10 to 1. And again, it might be that your tenth is my first and all of a sudden they're gonna find out five minutes in who my my most likely uh eagle is. So I think that's the way we do it here. We start with 10 and we do a little old school countdown here. Let let's make some predictions here first. Of the 10, Z B, how many do you think we will both have on our lists . Seven . Seven. I'm taking the over. You're going nine. Well, no, eight is over, Z P. You said seven. So I'm taking the over. Okay, you're going eight. Okay . Okay. I mean, this counting is really I thought we're doing a morning pod. You'll be ready for the start of the week. You l you're excited. I know eight is over. I was guessing what what number you were picking for over. I didn't think you'd think we'd have a perfect hand match. Yeah. So I I was going in between eight. I would have said eight, but I'm just now all you you had the initial guess, so all I have to do is say over. Fair enough . Okay. If it's eight, nine or ten. So that's that. Of the top three ZB, how many do you think that we will have that are the same? Two . Under. I'm taking one. Okay. I'm gonna say we have one of the top three as the same. This is a weird draft. There's about four hundred tackles available. You've got these wide receivers who you like, but you're not like this guy's gonna totally change the face of the offense. You have some positions where you say, I don't know if they would actually take that position, but then you're having second guesses. So we got a lot of stuff to get to as we break down these 10 names, CB. I think we just let you do your countdown. And then as you count down, I'll tell you where I have the player. How about we do that? Fair enough. Uh and and to your point though, that you said before, Howie Roseman in the past 10 years has traded the first round pick seven times. So the odds are that they won't be drafting at number 23. And how many of those were trade up? Oh, you're telling me. Okay. No, no, well, I I was going to say six of them have been on draft day, right? Like when they're when they're on the clock, when someone else is on the clock. Outside that the Carson Wentz one was done before. But so typically the way it works for the Eagles is that they have a player that they're targeting, and when that player starts to fall, uh they'll they'll trade up, you know, two, three spots. Like last year, they traded up one spot to get jihad Campbell. When they trade up for Jalen Carter, they traded up one spot to get Jalen Carter because they don't want someone else to trade into that spot . Um, the times when they trade back, and it's it's more rare that they trade back, uh, they trade back when the board's pretty crowded and they they like don't feel strongly about all right, one guy stands out here and they'll add picks. But Howie's history the past decade has been more trading up. Uh when it so my guess is and just to kind of start this in it could be wrong because the Queenon Mitchell pick, they s they stu they it was stick and pick, right? Yeah, I mean the the the board came to them. Hate that phrase. Yeah. I don't know when it became part of the draft. Lexicon, I told you that before. Stick and pick. It's just I picture someone, you know, just picking their boogers and flicking it. And I don't know why we have to say that. You know, they have the pick, they're picking where they're picking, but the stick and pick. Now the trade thing, Z B, you mentioned it, uh, how they want to target a player. How much of this is just goes back to the Marcus Smith pick? Is that what it is? That you know, they had these guys identified, what was it, six players? Six guys, none of them fall, all of a sudden they're scrambling. The endy up with Marcus. Smith It feels like since that day, Howie Rose 's like, I don't care. I'm gonna be aggressive and go get a guy that I want to get. You're right. And I think the the draft sicklos know this, but I I I think sometimes like the general fan doesn't. General fans, I I think sometimes think that the board is stacked vertically. So, you know, one to however many. But but really it's stacked horizontally. So you had tiers. And so when there's like one guy left in a tier that that you like, or you're like, all right, we have to go get 'em because you don't want to be sitting there with five, six guys in a tier. And that speaks to what you said about why this is a hard exercise. When you're drafting at 23, you can have 15 names where you're like, you know, because there's not and I think this is a draft too where there could be a a difference between someone's 12th guy on the board. Like the guy someone has 12 might be 26 on a different board. I don't think there's like a consensus top 20 or consensus top 25. So I I I think that adds to some of the uh the variance in this year's draft. All right, let's take a break. We come back and we find out who zb has as his tenth most likely target for the Philadelphia Eagles in the 2026 draft . 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Just made the cut over some other option. My number 10 is Keldrick Falk. And this would be in a tra de up situation, presumably, or maybe he like somehow slips through the cracks, doesn't have a lot of college production. I I won't go into as much depth on each player because Fran did a great job for a lot of these guys, but you know like the the he he's a toolsy edge rusher uh who has everything you want on paper the thing that's kind of missing is the college production my colleague dame bruegler called a lot of almost plays and that's that's kind of what you see with Falk. Uh and so I I st and you'll see this by the end of the pod. I expect the Eagles to draft offense. I think it's gonna be offense. But I I think with if you have a standout edge rusher sitting on the board or maybe falling like twenty-one . Uh you're she you're saying the value's too strong. So I don't think this is gonna happen, but I would put Ken I would put Kell trick Falk as my number 22. Uh oh I'm sorry, as as as as my number 10 option at number 23. All right, now what we should do is have you guess. Let's see how well you know me. Z okay. You have to guess where you think I might have Keldrick Fall. Eight . Not ranked. Just missed the cut. I had two players who just missed the cut. So he would have been 11th or 12th for me. So we are uh on a similar page there. Yeah, I looked at it. I said premium position that they value. Uh they were willing to pay big for Jalen Phillips in free agency. They were said to be interested in Trey Hendrickson. So it's like it is obviously a a position where they feel like, hey, we could invest some resources in this. Um we really want somebody. It just didn't kind of work out for us in free agency now N.ow, I've done a bunch of mocks here. Again, this is Fran Duffy's guy. So we're all rooting. We want Keldrick Falk to have a great career here because we want Fran to look good here. Uh I've done Mox ZB. I've had him going as high to the as to the Cincinnati Bengals at 10, to the Dallas Cowboys at 12. When you just look at Keldrick Falk and there's been comparisons to Michael Williams from last year, who ended up with the San Francisco 49ers. There's really not another guy in this draft that kind of looks like Keldrick Falk. He's 6'6, 276, long arms, 21 years old. Just the production wasn't great last year, but the year before had seven sacks in the SEC, said to have, you know, good character, good work ethic. Now, there's always some prospects who we don't have the full picture of until the draft or the draft is over, where all of a sudden it comes out, oh, this guy had this injury or this guy, this happened to him. And all of a sudden, okay, now it becomes more understandable maybe why some insiders don't have him uh ranked highly in their mock drafts after they're talking to a bunch of people around the NFL. So it's it's possible that could be the case, but I still looked at it and I said, I don't think that Keldrick Falk, by the time we get to next Thursday, it' bes gonna a player that falls within range uh of the Eagles picking him or trading up. So that's why I left him just off there, C P. Yeah, and I think to uh to buttress that point, um not to say like it's it's it's binary, but you have some GMs who are more product who are more projection based, you have some GMs who are more production based. And Howie Roseman's typically more projection based , meaning like he cares more about how you look three, five years down the line. Who is the best chance of hitting their ceiling? Whereas some GMs are are I don't want to say they're focused on the floor, but it's it's like I have to see that he can do it. I have to know that I've that if we plug him in, it's not just wishing that there's development or that he's gonna grow into this. Like I have to see the tools there . Noow, what were you drinking there? Z B, I saw you take a little sip. We have is that a cold brew? Is that a soda? What do we got going on? No, it's a Target cold brew. Uh well, I gave out free ad. It's a um whatever generic cold brew. I I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was watching the end of um you know the the I was watching the Western Conference NBA games and uh and I was up early and so I am a l had a long walk this morning. Uhhill walk. Okay. Challenging. And I was waiting for after the walk for the uh for the for the coffee. So I'm not a big coffee. Yeah. Yeah. My wife made me a protein shake this morning and I wanted to put the the coffee in the protein shake, but yeah. I didn't do that. So some people do do that. Some people do combine. It's a way to hide it. Yeah. Yeah. I like a separate I mean I like now cold I don't like a cold brew. I had a little I was at my parents' house yesterday and my sister had been there and so she had purchased some cold brew and so my mom's like, Do you want some of this? I really don't enjoy the cold brew. I like a nice hot cup okay of cold coffee every morning. Okay. Now, now listen, if I'm doing a little, you know, oat milk l atte or something, I can go hotter ice. So in the you know, in the summertime, if I'm doing that, um, I can I certainly can mix in the cold there. But if it's just cold brew or just a like iced coffee cold or like an americano . I don't really enjoy that. I think I'm done with that. I don't think I'm gonna have any more of those because I don't put anything you know it in the uh in the coffee in the morning. And so yeah, I'm sticking. So I'm I'm a little surprised because I would say that is among my least favorite tasting is just the cold brew there. You know what you should try, Z Bay? A little uh just a little espresso. You got do you have the espresso machine at home or no? We do not no we do not know. No, we've a mis we've a mis we have uh uh j a generic coffee. Okay, just coffee. Okay. Maybe if you did a little espresso and just it's a little shot, you know, a little shot glass, you sip on that. That could really give you the bolts you know the the the the boost of energy that you're looking for but you don't have to like drink a lot of something and you know you could feel like Tony Soprano in the mornings too so there are a lot of advantages. I I I've I've heard that if I had my druthers, I would just go you know at the Celsius every day. Uh but it's trying to avoid that. All right, yeah. You gotta listen, you want to be the ingredient list on some of these things, CB. Now, I don't know that one specifically, but I'm just saying you gotta look at that stuff. What's the sugar? What else is in there? Zero sugar. a lot of artificial sugar. A lot of other stuff. Okay. So see espresso. It's just that those beans, you're putting them in there, water, and you're good. You know? So that's all. Natural. All right. There you go. Keldrick Falk. Z B has 10th. I have not rang. Okay, Z B. Number nine. Put you. Number nine. Venga Yowane . Uh and from Penn State. I like the enthusiasm, CP. From Penn State, where she went to school, where Cliff had some great nights. Uh and this guy did the reverse cap atia. Okay. Oh, what do you do? Comes from like Washington, the state of Washington, the Seattle area, uh, Graham, Washington and goes to Penn State, right? Um so uh look, he's the top interior offensive lineman in the draft. I don't expect him to be there at 23, and I don't think the Eagles trade up to get a guard . But I think if he were to slip, this is a strong candidate, someone the Eagles brought into their building. Um I I know there's a lot of speculation about Lane Johnson's long-term future. Congratulations to Lane, by the way, on getting married uh this past weekend. Um that was all over my Instagram algorithm Z B. Yes, yeah, good for Lane. Yeah. Uh and so uh if but I think Landon Dickerson's future also is a legitimate question beyond like, you know, the next uh this season or next season. And so and and Tyler Steen's entering the last year of his deal. So so guard is also a long term need potentially . And uh he's the top interior offensive lineman in the draft. So I think there's some guard needy teams in the teens that will take him, but if he slips the twenty-three, I think there's a conversation to be had . Venga, Yoane, very fun name to say. Uh you I feel like in a draft where you don't have a lot of, and I hate to even say quote, clean prospects, just people who it seems like, oh, everybody's in on this guy. They don't have a lot of questions about this person. I feel like he's one of the few, ZB, where I don't hear a lot of people poking holes into the Venga Yohanne profile, where he started 32 games in college. He's 22 years old. He's athletic. He's a mauler. I know Brian Baldinger. I think I saw a clip where he was saying this guy's a better prospect than Gray Zable , than Tyler Booker, guys who went pretty early there in the first round. I think he fits the for the old school listeners. You'll remember that uh John Schneider, when I was covering the Seahawks, used to always say, He's a big, strong, powerful man. And uh my friend Jason Shanks, now ZB's colleague there at the athletic, uh, he did a great impression of that. And we would always laugh at big, strong, powerful man. I feel like Venga Yo ane gets that award for this draft class as a big, strong, powerful man. Uh ZB, where do you think I have Venga Yoane? Not ranked. Not ranked. Okay. We're already down the eight. So far , now the max we can have. We need to have the rest of the eight prospects need to be the same for the over to hit. Otherwise I'm looking stupid and Z B was looking smart there with putting it at seven and maybe the under was the better bet there. So what was your thought there that he's not gonna be on the board? Yes. My thought was I think he's going earlier than most mocks would say. I'm looking at I'm looking at the Baltimore Ravens at 14, and that's a popular one. I feel like that would make a lot of sense when you look at uh just what they need there. But he's really the only guard prospect that might go in the first round, which is kind of crazy. It's all you got all these tackles, and then you have some guys who, all right, well, maybe they could play guard, but just in terms of this guy played guard in college, he's gonna be a guard in the NFL and he's really, really good. I feel like that is Venga Johanna in the first round. Now maybe someone will sneak in there at the end of the first round. But I there were too many teams as I did my mock where I said, oh, he would make sense for them. Oh, he would make sense for them. Oh, he would make sense for them. Uh, even a team like the Jets there at 16, it's like, all right, they they got tackles, but maybe they could use a guard there. Uh the New York Jets. So there were again a bunch of teams like that. The Detroit Lions , uh, you know, a lot of these teams that could use interior offensive line help. Uh, and even just the team ahead of the Eagles. I mean, if if Venga Yoan, now, like you said, it could be a trade-off, but if they sit at twenty-three, the Chargers at twenty-two . Now again, this is all prediction and projection, and we don't know what they actually think. But man, that would be uh, you know, that that is a need for them, and it feels like that would be pretty good value there at 22, but maybe I'm wrong. So and ever since the Jalen Reager pick, uh every pick the Eagles have made in the first round has been the uh how did this guy fall guy right uh you know like quinyan mitchell when we were doing this if it it if you and I did this exercise uh two years ago Quinyan probably wouldn't have been high on this list jihad Campbell wouldn't have high on the list last year. It's true. Good point. And, you know, even like I I I guess Jordan Davis was considered in that range , but but um it's a little easier to project when you're in the top half of the draft. But like Nolan Smith, when the Eagles drafted him, it it it it it wasn't someone who was expected to be on the board in the thirties. So uh not to say that it's always going to happen that way, but if if recent history is any indication, the guy the Eagles draft Oh yeah, then he gets all the pop. How does Howie keep Howie season? How do the Eagles keep getting away with this? And to be fair, that's actually been true for a lot of these picks. Uh, when you look at how they've drafted here in recent years and how much talent they've added to the roster. All right, this is a big one. Number eight, because if this is somebody ZB has that I don't have, then my hopes of hitting the over seven picks that we have the same is kap ut . Did I use that right? I'm there I don't think we were used in a pot. You did and I I think we'll both have this one. This is a fun guy to watch. And this is Omar Cooper from Indiana. The wide receiver. And the Eagles brought him in. He's he's in this range. So this isn't like, well, how did he fall to you? But this is this is like, all right, I I I could see how how how this makes sense. Uh the I don't want to I don't know if you call it a knock here, but there's a thought that a lot of what he did was the function of the offense. He's the one he still made those plays. Like he's a he gets yards after the catch. He's uh he's strong with the ball in his hands. He can be used around the formation. Omar Cooper's next on this list. Omar Cooper Jr. , wide receiver from Indiana. So the thought here, Z B, would be all right, they've added some wide receivers. Uh, even if they're trading AJ Brown, it's not like they've added anyone who you say, Oh my gosh, we're set, we can't draft over this player. So it's almost like if you look at it that they think they're gonna trade AJ Brown, uh they've added Dontavian Wicks, Hollywood Brown, where they say we set the floor where if we had to play a game tomorrow, okay. We can play a game tomorrow, but this is also uh a position that we could draft over, you know. Hollywood Brown, it's uh it's a one-year deal. Dontavian Wicks, uh, even with the extension, it's a two-year deal, and he's still going to fit on your roster. So, yes, wide receiver is certainly still an option here for the Eagles in the first round. ZB, do you think I had Omar Cooper Jr. on my list? And if so, at what number ? Yes. And I'm saying seven . Eight. We're on the same page. We're on the board, baby. There's one, Omar Cooper Jr. ZB and I view him very similarly for the Eagles. I think it's like 50-50 kind of whether he's there at 23. I was trying to figure it out. You know, will he I'm I'm not sure he definitely will be, but I think there's a chance he will be six foot, one ninety-nine, ran 4'4-2, 22 years old, 69 catches for 9 37 yards and 13 touchdowns last year. Fran has comped him to a watered-down brand on Ayuk Probably best in the slot. We'll do all the dirty work. You know, can play, certainly can play outside. And so kind of like a reliable, tough, smart type wide receiver there in Omar Cooper Jr. Dane had a good note there, ZB, that forced 27 missed tackles last year, fourth in all of college football . And also did create a lot of big plays. So you, you know, I think he's viewed a little bit as a uh, you know, reliable possession receiver, but 30 plays of 20 plus yards the last two seasons. Now, to ZB's point, how much of that was a uh, you know function of the offense versus his individual talent. But I think Omar Cooper Jr., if they're sticking at 23, maybe even a little trade down, they would say, all right, this is a a good fit for what we want to do. All right. We're on the board, baby. Omar Cooper Jr. there at number eight. All right. We move to number seven on CP's list. Who do we got? I hope I hope our good friend Fran Duffy uh covers his ears for this one. Uh-oh. Blake Miller from Clemson. Oh player that's brand just ripped on our pot last week if, you haven't listened to that episode, the offensive tackle from Clemson ZB says, Fran , you don't know ball. I know ball. No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying that at all. Um, Elkins Clark takes a shot . Clip isn't happy here. Yeah. I I hear Fran's point there. I do think that Blake Miller, there's a little bit of Jameer Nelson syndrome here. What's that? So Chester syndrome. Okay. I'm I'm not a draft analyst, but if I was a draft analyst, I would call this Jameer Nelson syndrome, which is sometimes a guy gets overexposed in Kyle, like there's too much tape of him that you start to pick out the warts. He's a four year starter at Clemson, right? Like Jameer Nelson, by the time he was a senior, slips to what, 21 in the draft or thereabouts to the magic, like because there was no mystery about him. There's no intrigue. There's this thought, like no upside. It's like you get what you get. And I suppose to a point, like Jameer Nelson was a good NFA, was a good NBA player. He he wasn't one of the top five point guards in the NBA, right? And so you could say that Blake Miller has a limited ceiling. Now he's not old, right, by any means, you know. He's he's only 22. He's 6'7, 317, three uh 34 and a quarter inch arms. Um, you know, the Eagles look at like the broad jump. That's that's something that they really value. 90th percentile in the broad jump, 80th percentile in the in in the vertical jump, thought to be like a right tackle only prospect. I don't think that's a a knock for the Eagles, right? They're gonna need a long-term right tackle, has that wrestling background, which uh you and Fran discussed, um, and is is kind of well regarded in the coaching and the scouting community, but there's a thought that like is there a lot more upside to his game? Like, or are is what you get what you get? And I understand that point, but I I think these combinations of size, athleticism, and production, uh, the position that he plays makes him you know Jimmy Kemsky used a great point he called him the safety school prospect and there is like some of that too that like all right if you're just gonna stay there and take like like a a solid starting offensive tackle like Blake Miller would fit that for you ? Fifty-four games he started in college at Clemson. Uh 97% of his snaps came at right tackle. Again, so like ZB saying, this we don't know anything about the positional versatility here with Blake Miller. There's a lot of tape on him. Certainly. How many years do you think Jameer Nelson played in the NBA, ZB? I'll go twelve . Fourteen years. Fourteen. Okay. What were those last two years? I'm curious. I mean he was still getting paid, so good for him. Last two years. He was in the last twelve two years. Let's see. He played uh in Denver in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, uh started thirty nine games. Okay. Appeared in seventy five and then the next year split time with the Pelicans and the Pistons did not start any games but appeared in fifty games. What an awesome college play. Awesome college play. Jameer Nelson was. That 2004 St. Joe's team was a joy. Yeah. What a team. I j I jumped on that day. I mean I was on that bandwagon so hard. It was you you would have thought we, you know, I was like a legacy. Like we had generations of Capatius went to St. Joe's. That's how excited I was uh for that team when I was in college there, uh, they were going on that run. So where else are you getting a Blake Miller Jameer Nelson comp? I mean, I don't know anywhere, any other pod that would actually have that here, the Blake Miller, Jameer Nelson comp. All right, Z B, do you think I too strayed from the Fran Duffy evaluation and have him in my top ten? And if so, at what spot would I think he's snuck on at ten ? Not ranked. Not okay. Over is dead. And we're only four picks in. Z B. And I do not see this the same way for the Philadelphia Eagles, which is very exciting, which probably speaks to what we said at the very top that this is a very confusing kind of draft when you try to identify the most likely targets for the Philadelphia Eagles in the first round. So that means we have at least three different players in our top 10. Listen, I just had, you know, the voice of Fran Duffy in my head. You could be right, just because Fran Duffy views them, you know, uh one way. I did think though, what you were just what you were saying previously in the pod that they kind of swing for home runs and upside and all pros. Now it's all a projection. So maybe internally they say, no, we view him. Actually, he's gonna be awesome. But from what I know of him, that's not kind of how Blake Miller is viewed. Now, maybe that will be completely wrong. Again, there's, you know, teams have different uh evaluations of all these prospects, but the offensive tackle from Clemson, who Fran doesn't even have as a top 100 player. He went totally different from everybody else there, whereas Daniel Jeremiah has him as 19 on his board. So a high variance of opinions on Blake Miller, the offensive tackle from Clemson. ZB has him at number seven on his list. All right. And just to clarify here, this list is meant to be um forecasting for the Eagles, not like you know, I I have something up on the athletic now, which is like I I took ten players who have been mocked to the Eagles in various simulations and ranked my view of them and uh of those 10, Blake Miller came 10. So not to say that I I agree totally with Fran's evaluation, but I'm closer to Fran than Dan with how Fran views him than Daniel Jeremiah, because I tend to view like the upside too. But I also think there's this idea that because he's a four-year player, he's like a twenty-four-year-old guy who was no, I mean he he's he was a true freshman playing there, right? So uh he's in the same age group, but I mean, but he is on this list that we have today, on the list I'm giving you today, he's the lowest of the offensive tackles for the reason I said because of the theoretical upside. All right, let's take a break. We come back. We get to ZB's top six. Will he have any one that I think the Eagles are going to draft? Or will our boards be completely different? And then we'll get to mind at the end of the exercise. Let's take a break. We come back and we get to that. Dear Savvy, Toyota says you can have it all. With the Camry, the Corolla, and the Corolla Cross. You've got the tech, you've got the drive, and you've got Toyota Value that spell afford able . You ready? Find yours at Toyota. com Toyota. Let's go places . Alright, we're back on the Ringers Philly special. Little uh little off-topic question here for you, C B real quick. Our refrigerator has a flickering light. You know how a fridge the fridge has the light, you open it up, it's gonna uh so the light is flickering . Doesn't bother me. My wife said, you know, I'll call a guy, maybe take a look at the fridge here. I said, no need. We have lights in the kitchen. I'm not, you know, it's not like I'm gonna be looking in there like, oh my gosh, am I getting my lactose free milk? Am I getting the wrong milk? I said no need to get something like that fixed, your opinion on what you would do if you had the flickering light on the fridge in the house. Yeah, I'm gonna say this respectfully that you don't need to call a guy for that. Like that's uh I can 't five that's a two minute fix. What do I do? Well you what you do is you just open up the you open up the the the the thing that covers the light, you take the light bulb out, you go on to whatever website you shop at online. In that bag, yeah. You can get you just get the generic bulb from the website that you go on to buy stuff. And then you screw it in like a light bulb. It's very easy to do. I mean I could we can all screw in a light bulb, but yeah. Flickering light is some indication of something else going on with the fridge, or you think it's just a light issue? My guess is uh it's a light issue. If it was flickering and there's a problem with the fridge, my guess is there's an electrical issue, in which case you wouldn't need someone to come out. But but but then that would affect the entire fridge is my guess um but but yeah the stuff like uh the water filter in the fridge the light bulb in the fridge yeah I can okay yeah, that's those are thirty second fixes. Okay. Sometimes they're sometimes the only challenge you get is like uh some fridges the angle to get to them can be tough, you know, uh and and some have have have screws in, which isn't hard, but you have to like, you know, you just take a screwdriver and unscrew it, right? But I mean now it's just quite complicated. Most of them just pull off, unscrew the light bulb and put the light button on the little butt bulb. I think this could be, you know, I haven't done a short form vertical video in a while. This could be a a good one. Maybe later today take a look at that bad boy and see if I'm turning into Tim the tool man Taylor. Just fixing things, you know? Left and right. Little Bob Vila. Little Al Borland. I don't know any other people who fix things, but those are a few uh that I got. I wouldn't consider her changing a light bulb fixing things, but No, on the on the on the Sheel Capatius fiancé. Oh the cat okay. Yeah. All right. That's reasonable. Yeah. I'm not your average person fixing, you know, watching YouTube and I love when you know you got the fellow fellow uh parents saying that to me. Oh I just watch YouTube. Are you crazy? I'm not putting that. You think I can do that? You know, just fix something, watch YouTube and fix something around the house? Who do you think I am? Do you know nothing about me? You are a very smart industrious person. Like you know, but putting stuff together, taking stuff apart, no chance. You built birds twenty four seven from scratch. That I could do want me to build content, I can do that. But uh my wife did uh fix the windshield wipers on the car. I gotta tell you, what a difference. You know I did the washer fluid with the I did the well, you know? Well I was like, wow, my windshield hasn't been this clean in a long, long time. I can put the washer fluid in the car. Good. If anyone needs that, uh, you know, in and around media, if you're not sure how to do that and need a little help, just you know, send ringerphilly at gmail dot com. Maybe I'll come help you there with the washer fluid. How's your accuracy with that? I'm a man's man. With what? Putting the washer fluid in? Yeah. What do you mean? Like do I mean because you're, you know, some there's some spillover when you pour it in. Like our doesn't do anything, right? Yeah. No, I know. It doesn't do anything, I'm saying. No, 'cause I buy the big bottle I like the big bottle. Yeah, the big one in a big bottle. I would assume everyone five. Yes. Yeah. No, I'm pretty good at that. I can I can do a good pour. I'm not b aad poorer. Yeah. Okay. Blake Miller, Jameer Nelson, washer fluid, refrigerator lights. And now ZB's number six most likely prospect to land on the Philadelphia Eagles. Who do you got? Caleb Lomu from Utah. Offensive tackle from Utah. And you and Fran didn't get too much into him the other day. Fran is not the biggest Caleb Lowe. He is low er than consensus on a Caleb low mo. Yeah. Yeah. So uh kind of like the opposite end of Blake Miller, not in terms of friends of evaluation, but in terms of like the type of player you're you're looking at in that um what he he he doesn't have the long list of college experience was a two-year starter at Utah but he he came into the NFL after two years of playing college football, right? He was a a redshirt sophomore last year. Uh, you know, six six, three thirteen, um, doesn't have the longest arms, but long enough. Uh decent athlete, was a left tackle only at Utah. Actually, you know, moved Spencer uh he moved he moved Spencer Pano over to the right side. Um was a a pretty decent recruit for Utah, uh, and shows like some really good athletic traits. And and you saw that at the combine, you see that when you watch him. Uh, there's this idea that he might need to add some more bulk to him. Uh, but he is uh when you look at like an upside type of offensive lineman, he is in that that category . All right. Caleb Lomu Zebe. Do you think we finally connected on a second prospect we both have on here? Where do you think I have a Caleb Lomu ? I would certainly hope so. Otherwise, I can't imagine which offensive lineman you're sending me. So I am going Lomu six for you . Number three. I got him in my top three. Caleb. Yeah. Lomu. I was looking at it, TB, and I thought, all right, he's got the traits, inexperienced , hasn't quite put it all together. But if this is, you know, you're picking at 23, you're not picking in the top five or the top 10. So it felt like this was a nice sort of mix of could be available , should be available maybe even, uh, in the range that they're going to pick, fits a positional need. They could view him as an upside pro upside prospect who may get him in our building, this new zone blocking scheme. He's athletic. He's got the traits we're looking for. Uh Caleb Lomu is a player who makes a lot of sense for us. So yeah, I had him in the top three. Now, this idea of them picking an offensive tackle only prospect in the first round , I feel like we haven't discussed enough about this because you know we look, we look at it and say, well, Lane Johnson's gonna retire at some point, and you gotta find somebody who can play tackle. At the same time, like I don't know, are you sure Lane Johnson's retiring after the 2026 season? Like, we've kind of been doing this dance for a while. We did this dance for a while with Jason Kelsey, and you are in a position if you're taking a tackle-on , you're spending a first-round pick, and there's a possibility that the guy doesn't play barring an injury to one of your tackles is not a starter for you for what? The first two years of his rookie contract? Are we sure that makes sense for a team that's trying to thread that needle between long-term success and trying to win the Super Bowl right now because their roster is still really good. Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. Um and I am this is not going to be a popular take with Eagles fans. I don't think the Eagles are viewing this draft as trying to build the Super Bowl roster with this draft. Uh and 'cause you're 'cause there's not I'm I'll spoil it right now, there's not a safety on my top ten. Um and I I get pushback from fans all the time. I don't think the Eagles are going into the first round saying we need to fill out the starting lineup for 2026. I think they're saying what's this roster gonna look like in 27, 28? And they're trying to get ahead of it. You don't want to go into a draft saying we need to find our starting right tackle in this draft. I I don't think Hallie Roseman wants to do that. And I think this is a year when there's a lot of tackles in that area. I know they brought back Fred Johnson, but like the the I don't know Fred is is like definitely that swing tackle in this offense. If if you draft a guy in the first round, that guy can push for that role. And Lane Johnson, Jordan Mylotta have both missed time in recent years. Like the the the notion that he's just gonna be on ice for uh until Lane retires doesn't always come to bear. And the years when it's gone real bad for the Eagles has been when the entire offensive line's been been been decimated. And I think internally there's a view that part of the problem with the offense last year was like the health of the offensive line. So you want to be prepared in that situation. Um, and there's also like you can cross-train a player just because they played only left tackle at Utah doesn't mean that you can't bring them in and and have them play multiple spots. Uh so yeah, I I am not of the opinion that the Eagles are going into the first round trying to make their roster the best it can be in 2026. I think this this draft overall, the big theme when Howie Rosman kind of talks afterwards is going to be the shift that's coming from like they're they were y they were young and inexpensive on all on defense in the past few years and they're preparing to pay guys and the offense is getting older and they need to get young and inexpensive on offense, and that they're they have their eyes set on a world that whether it's next year or the year after, doesn't include AJ Brown, and doesn't include Lane Johnson, and doesn't include uh you know, maybe uh d uh Dallas Goddard. We'll see about Saquon Barkley. Like I I think there there's this idea that they need to get ahead of their of what's happening on offense in this draft . It's tricky because Jordan, yeah, he he has played left tackle lomu and uh exclusively, I believe, right? Left tackle in college. And so Jordan Mailada is like one of the guys on offense you feel probably best about for what the next five years if you're just like where's a spot where they're probably not all right next three years at least I would say the duration of a rookie contract. Um so you you really have to be confident that can Lomu play can we cross train him at right tackle even though his play strength is a question hey that's for other people we feel like we can get him in here and he can actually he actually can play guard for us if we need him to play guard for us. We're going to show him how to do that. So um I think they did have I don't I can't remember if you mentioned this or not. I believe they reportedly did have him in for a visit. He did. Yeah. This wasn't this was he put it on his Instagram. He posted something. So I always appreciate when the Instagram posts is up and you There you go. So Lomu did take so I figured if they're bringing him in for a visit, you know, maybe they're trying to figure out some of those things. What would his role potentially be for us? Are are there other things he can actually other positions he can potentially play for us? He's been very durable as well, 24 straight starts, I believe, over the last two seasons. So Caleb Lomu, the offensive tackle from Utah. Again, among the offensive tackles, he is one that I think has a pretty good chance to be there at 23. All right, we get to the ZB top five. You've heard of the ZB three. This is the ZB top five. The Eagles, ZB is guaranteeing that the Eagles will pick a prospect in the first round that comes from his top five. Who do we got? Who's five, Z B? Max Ihonachore. Max I Arizona State. Uh and he this is, I don't want to say this is your Jordan Maylata, because Jordan Maylata never played football, but this is someone who was late to football uh and is kind of, I don't want to say still learning the game, but you can see the the down the line upside here with him. Now he is older than some other guys. You know, he's he's twenty-two and a half right now. Uh but he's six six, three twenty-one, um really good athlete. Uh Fran was impressed with him at at at the senior bowl. Uh he played right tackle for Arizona State, full-time starter the past two years. Uh kind of he entered the lineup in two thousand twenty-three. Doesn't have the same quality of film of the other offensive tackles that we're talking about on this list. But if you're saying like give me the traits to develop, that's that's Max . Max Ihanator ZB. Do I have him on my list? Where do I have Max Ihan ator ? I'm guessing you what numbers have you used so far? I have used three and eight. Omar Cooper Jr. was eight. Caleb L omu was three. I'm going five for Max . I have Max Ihanach or at number one . Really? On my list. Wow. Okay. How so me that so me big reveal? Okay. So we know that they could take an offensive tackle. We've just spoke about that uh at length. Now with you just told me they're drafting for 2027 and beyond. So maybe the inexperience, the fact that hey, you need to maybe maybe he needs a year to kind of just get in the system, get some reps in. If he has to play, that's fine, but he's not being a full-time starter for you right away. It makes sense for him there. Will he be available at 23? I feel like of the tackle prospects, he's got a good chance to be available here uh at 23. So I think that you know the old Venn diagram of they actually have a shot at him and him be uh you know, do they have a chance at him? And is he a player I could see them liking? I felt like he fit those as well as maybe any player on this list, strong senior bowl, you mentioned that's been something to keep an eye on with some of the prospects they've liked in the first round uh in recent years. Did you told the story? He didn't play football until JUCO. Well, all right, there's some upside there. Forget about his age. He just hasn't played a lot of football. So there's really upside that he could be maybe the best tackle in this class if he really puts it all together. Did not allow a sack last year, according to Dane Brugler, uh I saw Nate Tice say he thinks that he's got the skills to play left tackle. Don't just pencil him in as a right tackle, that he there's nothing stopping him uh from just from a skill set standpoint, stopping him from playing left tackle. And I also think I I know they don't generally trade back and I'm not really expecting them to trade back, but if you're saying, hey, at least that's an option, maybe he's someone who you trade back and you could still get a Max Ihanichor. So that is my case for him as number one . Look, I am I am not disagreeing with you, especially from the trade back perspective. Like if this is you trade back three spots , you move up in another round, and you add another, you know, maybe add a third round pick or fourth round pick in there. I can I can definitely see that because uh from a developmental perspective, yeah, it jumps out in that regard. So I he's not my number one. Um I'm surprised he's your number one. But I I certainly I I was probably more ambitious with my number one. But he is Wow. I'm sorry. I wasn't ambitious enough. No, no, no. No, what I meant is the guy I I I I have number one. You're probably gonna be like, yeah, you probably won't be on the board at twenty-three. That's what I mean by ambitious. Oh, okay, good. But but I I I have been operating under under the like the premise that they'll have the guy that the it won't be the player, wow, they kind of reached it won't be the player, wow, how was this guy still there ? Uh Zibi, do you now come around to my line that the count down was the right way to go? I mean, if I would have just given them Maxi Hanatore in the first two minutes of this exercise, we wouldn't have got your reaction. Maybe we had a social clip there. I don't know. But I feel like you uh I have to imagine you've come around to my way of thinking at this point in the exercise. Well the one thing though is John Mullaney has this great joke where he talks about like writing happy birthday on this poster board and he does he do this big H and this big A and this big P and I've done this before. And then you get to like the Y and you have to kind of mix you have to swirl it around just to fit it in. And that's like my fear is that we'll get the number one, but it's like we got four minutes left in the show. I got nowhere to go. Now Cliff Duck You know what? But you know what? Uh Cliff is Ringers Philly Special first priority. So if he's, you know, if he has to show up five minutes late and he has to tell them that's because our guest told the John Mullaney joke and that's why I'm late. Uh, or that Sheo was talking about his fridge, then he'll do that because he's a team player. That's why that's why he's a tep culture hour, right? Cliffy too. Cliff Augustine is his name. Don't forget that either. All right, C B. Get to number four. What do you got? Number four. I have a wide receiver here that I really like. That's Jordan Tyson. Jordan with a Y, by the way. Okay . Uh and I think Jordan Tyson is awesome. I I like him better than Mikai Lemon. Um he the the question here is injuries. I think that it's similar to Jahad Campbell last year. I think that's the only reason why someone like this would be on the board at twenty three. And I don't expect him to be on the board at twenty three, but if this is a player who drops, you have to strongly consider him 'cause he can be if not a number one, like a number one A in the NFL. I I he has everything that you kind of look for um in a wide receiver. And so he he jumps out to me uh Jordan Tyson. You talked about him on the show with Dane, so I don't need to get into I'm sorry with Fran ce slip there. Um with Fran . So two guys I respect a great deal. Uh so so you but he's he's awesome. Uh I'm curious your thoughts on Jordan Tyson. Do you have him on your list? Well do you have to guess B? Yes. I'm guessing Jordan Tyson's on your list at number eight. Did you already use an eight? I used eight. I've used eight, three, and one so far. Nine. At number nine . Not ranked for me. Not ranked. You don't think he's gonna be an option? I just didn't. Listen, now that we're doing this exercise? I probably went a little bit too far in the I don't think he's gonna be there. Okay , because to your point, we don't always know. Now I have done multiple mocks, so I feel like at least in my head, I have an idea where I think each player is going to go, where I said, Oh, and this Machie went here, and this Machi went here. So it's like, unless they get to like 18-ish, now maybe that's a mistake on my part. They could make a bigger trade out. But I when I was doing this exercise, I'm like, I have to feel like there's at least a decent chance they get to around 18 for me to include them on this list. And I didn't know that Jordan Tyson would quite get there. You know, some people do see that separation between him and the other wide receivers. I would imagine other teams do not, where they say we would rather just sit tight and take one of these other guys rather than take a chance on Jordan T yson. Now the reason why he is so interesting is because the Eagles have been willing to take chances on the quote unquote injury prone guys in the draft, and they've had pretty good success with that in recent years. And he's someone hamstring in 2025, collarbone in 2024, knee injury in 2022, has missed 34% of his his games in college because of injuries. So do you look at that and say, all right, that's just kind of like small sample coincidence and we feel like we're gonna get him into our building and he's gonna have a great NFL career? Or do you look at that and do you have concerns that he's not going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL? So there's some fun comps here. Fran said Jarvis Landry or Jackson Smith and Jigba. Dane Brugler said uh Stefan Diggs. There's a lot of things to like with Jordan Tys on. I felt like a team would take a chance on him earlier than when the Eagles pick. But as we're talking it out, I certainly could be wrong about that one with Jordan Tyson. All right. We get to the top three. The ZB three. We're finally here. He said, what did you say? We would have two were the same . In the yes, I did. I don't remember. In the top three. Did we say top yeah, top three? Right. Yeah. Now I already have Ihanachor. So we're already de you know, for you to be correct. Yeah. The two of these next three guys I would have to have in my top three. Otherwise the under hits here. People waiting in anticipation, ZB. Who do you got? Now this is the Cliff special. This is the one that the that the uh Text chains are gonna love. Kenyon Sadiq. Kenyon Sadiq, tight end Oregon, who I have a piece on the athletic today where I I looked at uh at 10 guys who have who've come up in various mock drafts and I said this would be the best outcome for the Eagles. And I feel that way. Best player at his position, uh position that's a short term, midterm, and long term need for the Eagles. Uh athletically off the charts. I know he doesn't have elite college production. You I I th I think you can look at the tape and see different reasons why. Um and also I I I know there's a lot of questions about like the position value there. I think if you don't look and sh il and bo, longtime listeners know, used to roll their eyes when I said this. If he took T E off his, off the profile and just looked at like offensive weapon, like he's one of your five skilled guys on the field, it's a little different convers ation. Uh, because I think that's how you view him. He's like a he's a skilled position player who is categorically a tight end, but he can do so many different things in athletically. Like if if you put him in the wide receiver column, the athletic numbers would jump off the chart. And I mean the production won't, but the athletic numbers would would jump off the chart. And so uh I am going Kenyon Sadiq number three here. And I think if he's the pick, it's the best outcome for the Eagles . All right. Kenyon Sadi q, he's somebody we've probably talked about more than any other prospect on this podcast. You have so far picked by one, three, and eight prospects C B . Do you believe that I have? Oh I that's right. One and three. So we are the under already hit. Oh the under hit. Honature and Lomu were both in my top three. So the under already hit. Do you think we get one or do we have a completely different top three? Where do you think I have Kenyon Sadiq? Well, based on the fact that you had two tackles in your top three, I'm guessing your top three is all offensive tackles. So I'm going number four for Sadiq for you. Incorrect. I have Sadiq number two. Number two on my list. So we're aligned with one guy here. You laid out the case, uh, position of need, potentially threads the needle. I know what you said about the future, but threads the needle of giving you someone who can help you right away, but also be a part of your long-term future. I think there's a chance he falls into the 20s. He could go earlier. I looked at the Bucks at 15. Vikings are a really interesting team at 18. They're a team that I think could look at Sadiq. The Panthers at 19 could look at Sadiq. I'm not positive he's going to go that high. Daniel Jeremiah had him lasting to twenty-seven. Um, and just in terms of would the Eagles draft a tight end at twenty-three, you know, they took Zach Ertz at 35. I know it's like it's not twenty-three, but it's not, you know, 55 for Zach Ertz. And also, I'm just kind of done trying to predict the positional value stuff with them after seeing jihad Campbell last year and them not only taking him where they did, but trying to aggressively trade up for jihad Campbell, where I just feel like they might look more at is this a player we have graded really high and let's be aggressive and let's go get him. So everybody's got Sadiq really as a top 20 prospect. Is he a guy who if he falls to 20? Now you're saying let's make a slight trade up there for uh Kenyon Sadiq, given the traits, given the physical attributes there. And like I said, how he kind of fits both timelines for you. So I think Sadiq is a good choice there for you at number three. And we get oh two more left. Now, so these are gonna be two guys who are not in my top three. Who does ZB have at number two? Number two is Monroe Freeling, offensive tackle Georgia, uh, who maybe you'll say is off the board there. We'll see. I mean, there's a lot of offensive tackles in this draft. And he is he's young. He's on the younger side. Really good athlete. I mean, six seven. Let me pull up my my notes here, but you talked about the other day. You know, six seven is his his mom got him into yoga. His mom's a yoga teacher. And you can see that that type of athleticism when you watch him play, or that type of flexibility, I should say, when you watch him play. Uh he is um really came on at Georgia this past year. So 6'6, 315, 34 and 3 and 34 inch arms. That's long. 4.93 second, 40-yard dash, 33 and a hal infch vertical leap. He started only 16 games, but you know, there's there's a lot to work with here. And he's someone who I I I think that you know you you talk about like Maxianachore as you have the the tools there to work with. That oozes off of Monroe Freeling when you watch him and when you see him . The physical profile is kind of different than probably almost any maybe anybody else in this class or you know maybe a couple people compare there. So uh certainly has the uh huge upside Monroe freelancing the tackle uh from Georgia ZB I had him I I switched him and Lomu at the last second before the pot. So I have him at four. So we are aligned. I thought maybe less chance of him being in a position where they could actually take him than there would be for someone like Lomu. But I could be wrong. Fran in his mock draft, that thank you to all of you who gave him the Philly special bump. I was looking at that uh in his comments. Uh Fran had him lasting to 25. So he's someone, you know, maybe he doesn't have to play for you right away and that's a good thing. You get him in the building, but we look at it uh, you know, three years from now, five years from now, and you say, man, that was the bat, actually the best tackle in the draft was Monroe Freeling. So he is a pretty exciting player with big time traits and really checks every box you would want from a franchise tackle. So I think Monroe Freeling certainly is a good pick there for you at number two. I just wasn't positive he was going to be available. All right. Yeah, and I think this goes back to the projection production question that that we had is that there's some GMs and coaches that when you draft an offensive tackle, they don't view it like the Eagles. They they they view it like this is a position where you want the guy to step in and start right away. And there's some GMs and coaches who say sixteen games of film like, is that enough to really trust a first round pick to step in uh or sixteen e to s or sixteen starts rather to like to s to step in and block you know, an all-pro edge rusher uh,, every snap, you know, and I I think that's what comes up with Monroe Freeling. All right, there you go. Monroe Freeling. All right, the number one pick on ZB's board, 10 days away from the start of the NFL draft is the most likely player for the Eagles to draft is , and I this is from the beginning to the end of my mock drafts, will be Caden Proctor, offensive tackle, Alabama. And Caden Proctor just built different. Like you, you know, this is like Jordan Davis walking off the bus, six foot seven, three hundred and fifty-two pounds. Okay. Uh didn't have the broad jump athleticism that, you know, jumping off the page. The vertical jump was in the 90th percentile. But you w, I mean, he he caught pass es at Alabama. Um just uh you know start uh uh a day one starter in the SEC, still only twenty years old. So rare combination of like a lot of college experience, but still so young and room to develop. And uh I know when I've talked about Caden Proctor throughout the strat process, fans have said to me, readers, listeners have said, yeah, if Jeff Stoutman was here, they would take Caden Proctor. But can they do that now? And I'm saying the person who's had this finger on the button, whenever they took the Jeff Stoutland guys, was also Howie Roseman. And I don't think Howie Roseman's not drafting a tool a tools in the body, like guy 's that big, that much talent, that much upside, because they made a change in offensive line coach. I think Howie Roseman will, you know, it's a long-term investment. Who is the chance to be one of the best players from this draft? That's Kaden Proctor. That's Kaden Proctor from the day he stepped in on campus to now. I know there's this thought that he might have to play guard. We'll see. If that's like the worst case scenario, then I still think he can be great there. But I I think Caden Proctor is all pro upside. Um and uh uh if he's there at 20 uh if he's there at 23 outside of Kenyon Sadiq, I think it'd be the best outcome for the Eagles. Hold on. You think that Howie Roseman is going to draft offensive linemen the same way this year as he has done in previous years when he has known he has had an offensive line coach in the building with a proven track record of developing guys who had barely played football and who could he could you know the the who could who could help scout these guys who could bring him in for visits and have him do whatever that test was where he had them touch their toes or whatever it was that stout would always talk about you think he's gonna draft offensive linemen who are maybe less proven commodities the same way now that he has Chris Cooper, a guy who the Vikings did not want back as their offensive line coach in the building, and he's going to put his first round pick reputation on the line with offensive linemen, even though they have this change in offensive line coach. It's all how you frame it, Shu . I think, yeah, yeah, well the answer to that question is yes. But I will I would frame it is I think Howie Roseman's guiding principal will still be who has tools in their body that you can't find somewhere else. Okay . What are the the traits that are rare? What are the critical factors that you look for here? Uh, and who has the chance to become an all-pro blue chip type player? I don't think Hallie Russman's going to be swinging for a single or a double at offensive line just because Jeff Statlin's not here. I think he's he's he's gonna say we can find replacement level traits. Okay. What we can't find in other places is like the hard to find traits. Um and so yeah, even without Jeff Stoutland, I don't think the way how he views swinging for a fence in the first round is going to change . All right. I think he I I think I understand what you're saying. I think in terms of confidence level in projections and whatever models they have that we can get the most out of this guy. I don't see how it cannot change. Now that doesn't, I'm not saying that means you go for the safe pick, but this is you know, maybe the most high variance offensive linemen in the first round. And there are other guys who have high ceilings we just talked about with Monroe Freeling that maybe you would feel a a little better about. No, maybe you wouldn't. Some people might have Kaden Proctor ahead of Monroe Freeling. Maybe they look at it and say it's not that high variance. We feel like he's been a good player and he's gonna be a good player for us. I do disagree. I I I feel like just the confidence level, the scouting process, the projections, the grade. I do think there has to be a little bit of an adjustment uh with the different offensive line coach there. So I think Caden Proctor is a guy who will really maybe tell us a lot about , you know, where this the organization, where the team is, the scheme, uh, confidence in the coaching staff, because one thing I was looking at where I was like, are we sure Caden Proctor would fit their scheme going forward, just in terms of if you're moving to a zone blocking scheme, this isn't typically the profile of the guy you would be looking at. Now, that could be completely wrong. Again, maybe they're saying he's good enough. Uh he can absolutely uh do it there, but just a scheme that prioritizes maybe athleticism over strength and power, which his game is strength and power. Mikai Becton is one of the comps for him uh from Fran. He's got the upside. Uh did not have a holding penalty in his last 18 starts. Burdane Brugler started 40 games in three seasons, very durable. Only experience is at left tackle, but of all the guys we mentioned, he may be the only guy who actually could slide inside and play guard for you right away. So that could be appealing to them that hey, go push Tyler Steen, go play guard for us as a rookie, and then eventually you're gonna move outside and play tackle for us. So um, yeah, it's gonna tell us a lot. Maybe it's like you said, they're gonna say we're still taking the big swings. Yeah, he needs work, but we're gonna have fit confidence in our coaching staff just because Stoutland's not here. Uh, we can still work with the player like this. Hey, don't get carried away with the zone blocking athleticism stuff. He's going to be able to do enough. We're going to be still uh, you know, have a uh varied run game where we're still gonna be implementing some gap schemes. And um, he can certainly still uh if we're using wide zone, he still has the athleticism to do that. So Proctor would be a very, very interesting pick on a number of levels. I had him at number five just because maybe I scared myself off with some of those things I talked about where initially I had him higher. And then I said, hmm, I think I have more questions with him than I did previously with Kaden Proctor. So there we go. We hit on six of the 10 ZB. So now I gotta tell you some of the guys I had on that you didn't have on. I think I'm probably going to surprise you here with some of these. At 10 , I had Emmanuel McNeil Warren, the safety from Toledo. s You you said they're not taking maybe listen. Maybe you have some great information where they basically say we're not taking a safety in the first round that I'm not privy to. Here's the case. It would be a matter of if they're syndicate 23, he's the highest graded player on their board. And Vic Fiangio says, I love this guy. And they say, All right, we usually wouldn't prioritize safety, but 6'4, 201 was a three-year starter. It's going to be a real playmaker for us. He's aggressive downhill. We love his play personality. And all right, we didn't come into the draft thinking we were going to draft to safety, but you know what? This guy is too exciting to pass up and he's got what we're looking for. And you know what? We like having a great defense because we've shown what that can do for us here in previous years. But ZB is shaking his head, yeah, saying if they take Emmanuel McNeil Warren, I will walk from here to Toledo to do my feature on him in the athletic . That's not what I'm saying. Um yeah, I I I understand it on on paper and fans are gonna agree with you more than they're gonna agree with me here and I I totally get it. I just think from a like a resource allocation perspective and I know some fans roll their eyes when they hear that term, I don't think the Eagles are taking another first round defensive back. Um and I I think that they have like a lot invested in this secondary as it is. I I I think they're going offense unless it's an edge rusher. I could be wrong, but I think they're going offense unless it's an edge rusher. All right. So Z B has McNeil Warren not ranked. All right. Number nine. And I like the player. I'll add that. Okay. I do have an offensive player, a wide receiver you did not mention, Casey Concep cion. Yes, wide receiver from Texas A M. Selly. Well, it's I mean, it's it's not that dissimilar to what we talked about with Omar Cooper Jr. You know, we we we made the case for wide receiver there. That's pretty obvious. Sixty one catches for nine hundred nineteen yards, nine touchdowns last year. Quickness is sort of his superpower. He's not just a lineup on the outside and go. He's not just a slot. I think Zay Flowers was the comp uh from Fran . Did have some issues with drops, but can also win on contested catches, yards after the catch. If you expect that to be a big part of this offense, that's one of the areas where he excels. Per Dane Brugler, 79% of his catches went for a first down or a touchdown. So I just felt like he was in that same class with a guy like Omar Cooper Jr. Now maybe he's less likely to be there at twenty-three. I don't know, but I felt like he at least deserved a spot in my top ten. Okay. Yeah. I I I mean I think there's uh it's interest the the wide receivers in this draft, um there's a ton of different opinions on them. And I I I don't think there's like a consensus top five in order. Uh I can certainly see it with him. I'm a little higher on some of the other guys, but I won't knock it. I mean, I I was when I was thinking of the four receivers to include on my list on the athletic today, uh, I was having a hard time between him and and Denzel Boston. And so I I can I certainly see it. All right. This next one, I'm actually quite surprised you don't have him on your top 10, ZP. And that's at number seven. I have TJ Parker. Yeah. The edge from Clemson. I looked at this one. Position and eat. We already talked about it. They were willing to spend you, you had you went with Keldrick Fogg. They're willing to spend big resources at the position in free agency. Just didn't work out. Um , you know, it seems 50-50 whether he'd be there at 23. He's 6'4, 263 with long arms, plays, you know, kind of a bully edge setter. Uh, where I feel like he would fit Vic Fiangio's scheme really well. He's 21 years old. He's been productive, 16 sacks over the last two seasons. Maybe can kick inside on passing downs. I looked at TJ Parker's profile and I'm like, that looks like a player I feel like they might really like whether they stick at 23. Maybe if you move down even there's a chance to get TJ Parker. You did not have him on your top ten. Yeah, I uh I strongly considered it. I I went offense heavy and probably overboard off offense heavy for the reasons that I said. Uh but I can absolutely see TJ Parker being in the on the list. On my the the piece I mentioned on the athletic today, I I get him number seven. Like I I ranked 10 guys and I I liked him. Um and this is also I I I don't have the at the NBA comparison off offhand, but if they drafted, if he was eligible for last year's or if he was in last year's draft, he would have been a high pick. I mean, in Dame Brugler's way too early mock draft, which I always like seeing those, he was number four going into the season. Like and that's that's the type of year he had two years ago. Didn't have quite the sack production but uh in this past year, but it's been on it's been on tape, the tools are there. I like TJ Parker. Um if I was just doing like the guys that I think are are our um you know players that I would like at twenty-three for the Eagles Parker would be on that list. I just think they're going offense, but I can certainly see this . All right, my last one at number six . CB made the case. They're not going safety, but I said, I don't think so. Dylan Be eneman, the safety from Oregon. So again, this was, I don't think he gets picked super early. I think there's a great chance he's there, maybe. Uh around 20-ish. Safeties tend to fall. Maybe the Vikings take him at 18. Maybe the Cowboys take him at 20. I'm I understand. I don't think this is their preferred position to use a first-round pick on. But I thought maybe it's a little like tight end, a position you can fill a hole immediately, but someone who can help you in the future, very talented defensive back . This one really, I think comes down to the Vic Fianju evaluation. Again, if he says, I love Tieneman, Howie, you bring me, you bring me him, he's gonna come in, play right away for us. We're gonna have the best secondary in the NFL. Don't worry about all that other stuff. I'm not even going to get on you to trade for an edge at the trade deadline. Don't worry. Our edge rushers can get home. When we got this secondary, when I'm I'm adding Thieneman as one of my safeties, Cliff's happy because now there's an exciting white, I believe, who can get paired with Cooper DeGene. So the podcast is still alive, six foot two oh one, twenty-two years old, ran four three five, ball hawking safety, can come downhill. Fran Compson to Justin Reed, very productive, eight interceptions and four team PBUs over the last three seasons. Versatile player, Dylan Thieneman, last guy on my list, CP . Yeah, I I see. I mean You don't like it. It's okay. No, it's just I just I just don't think I'm talking about No, I because I like the player and I can't knock the I mean I'll say that if Vic Fangio says that to Howie Roseman, my aunt if I'm Howie, I'm saying Vic, how much longer are are you gonna be here? I'm not spending my first round and I'll walk out tomorrow. Okay. Get out of my office. I'm saying I'm not spending my first round pick just because you you know just because you like the guy. Like it has to be someone who's gonna be here. Now now you can say like man let's just let's just triple down on having a great secondary and 'cause I th I think he's awesome and I think he you you match him up with or or or you keep him with Queenon Mitchell Cooper the Gene. Um like you have you have something to cook in long term. The only safety who I would I I think Caleb Downs is the best player in the draft. The best player in the draft. Um and if Caleb Downs, like I don't understand why Caleb Downs isn't a surefire top 10 pick. If he's somehow in the te ens, that's the guy who I would because I think Caleb Downs is an all-pro in this league. Um I I feel that strongly about Caleb Downs, the football player. And so uh that's the included him in my top 10 as sort of the guy that if they're trading up, if he falls to like 13, that they could potentially trade up for. Yeah, like he's the guy who I have the most conviction on. Like uh, you know, there was a year when uh i i i tell the joke you know uh uh someone asked me in the building who i liked in the draft and i was like uh i was like jadavian clowney my brothers are like you have this chance to talk to this guy and you say jadavian clowney is your name he's like the number one pick. You can't say well the guy I've been classic. Yeah. Yeah. I have the most conviction of anybody uh in this draft is is Caleb Downs. So if Caleb Downs were available, he would uh it's like all right, take what I said about safety and cross it off the list . But otherwise, I think you can find a safety third round, fourth round this year, and work with what you have. All right, there you go. Our top ten ZB. I'm gonna now give ZB similar from one to ten Z,B's got Kaden Proctor, Monroe Breeling, Kenyon Sadiq, Jordan Tyson, Max Ihanachor, Caleb Lomu, Blake Miller, Omar Cooper Jr ., Venga Yowane, and Keldrick Falk. I've got from one to ten. Maxi Hanachor, Kenyon Tadiq, Caleb Lomu , Monroe Freeling, Caden Pro ctor, Dylan Theneman, TJ Parker, Omar Cop Cooper Jr. Casey Concepcion, and Emmanuel McNeil War . So there you go. Now when I say Venga Yoan ai, in my head I think Joanna Man. Remember that movie? Joanna. I don't know why. He saying Venga Joanna makes me think Joanna Man. All right, Cliff is. Remember that. All right. Cle arly made Cliff. You remember that one well. Okay. Z DB's own sat on DVD, Blu-ray, and uh many other aspects as well. All right, sorry, Cliff. We made Cliff a little late. Uh you're right though, Joanna Man was a blockbuster classic. See? That was a Joanna. You know what I mean? You know how Blockbuster used ahead of tapes. That was a drone that was always out. That was the one that people always They had the excess ones for the for the movies that people like. Kids don't know about Blockbuster. You have to check. All right, that's the cover , but now I get a check behind is the actual, you know, can I actually rent? Oh, it's sold out. How many people are renting movies on a Friday night? I remember that well. Yeah, I remember that too well. So there you go. All right. Sixers playing the play in Wednesday. We'll get to that later this week. The fly guys look like they're going to make the playoffs. We'll get an update on that later this week. Bunsey was texting me yesterday. When are we doing Phillies ? We'll certainly have an update on that as well. And ZB, you know what? ZB's going to come back later this week. Same exercise, but we do day two of the NFL draft. I got a lot. I mean, if we only got six same picks on this one, we better, you know, have about three hours to do that one because we might not have any of the same players there. So we'll do that and we'll do the mailbag. So ringerphilly at gmail.com get those emails in. 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