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What clip is everywhere What clip is everywhere is the clip of me the digriding thing. Like legitimately now, if somebody is digriding, there's just a still Yesace doing the thing I don't know that helps higher learning I'm not so sure that it's real. Help you though. Thatbody Everybody social media told me that Spencer Pratt was going to be the mayor of Los Angeles. didn't happen So okay. Yeah, it was good. So so all I'm saying is I get what you guys are saying in theory I'm not so sure in actuality that it's actually a. Right. So that clip of you doing the dick roting thing, That's not an an official clip that that you guys put out. Oh ye that people have then like took it and cropped and shared on their own. Like that's going in group chats and stuff and so like course. It's basically a meme. It's not but it's not a show no moreore. It's basically I'm saying is we put it out there the whole thing' my point. 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Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Luar' disease, myasthenia Gravis or Lambd Eat syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit Botoxchronicmigraine. com or call one eight hundred four four Botox to learn more On today's show, the Midnight Boys react to the latest Steven Spielberg blockbuster This closure That's on the clos blocker. What it says in the godamn document Im assuming it's a blockbuster. It's Steven Spelber. Did you bust on my block? No, but the block has to be busted for it to be a blockbuster. Okay. Wh you bust on the block It a blockbuster? I mean, by different's different all movies, which movie in history was most likely having people bust on the block? Like they were waiting in line just busting. Just busting Oh episode one Fantom Mines. Yeah. That was probably the biggest buster. Really? There's that's a video of that dude theater nameround. But see the Matrix didn't have people busting on the block as much because we didn't really know what the Matrix was Like the but it could it's either episode one or it might be Empire Strikes Bad Because they was busting all over the block after Star Wars and Empire strikes back h. But it wouldn't be Return of the Jedi because it's like it leaves you on the cliffhanger. C be what you've been You've been waiting you're like, damn there's no way That's the thing. We don't have like the footage of people waiting outside of those theaters. I was wing with lightsabers. Do we have blockbusters? We definitely for comment for like empire what you fuck out of your mind? Y't know. Like like are you liter nuts? There's a literally There's a like legitimately There's one video for is the Black dudies He, I haven't seen this. I'm to be real with you This is a Berry Gordy. This is no I know that it was popular. I know that it was like gang this is a Berry Gordy for Epire Stri know. Hey, will we cut this? putut in all the footage and stuff like that. Okay fine. I haven't seen the footage of that. Yeah, this is a Berry Gordy. I don't even take this. I love this. I love what I know that it doesn't predate newscameras. I know that Oer than me. How have I seen this? I haven't seen that. I've seen the dude kiss the ground when he goes into episode one. I know that. I know all that shit So that was I will say maybe to what, if you're talking about, I don't know how many costumes there might have been. Right Fed us they were going crazy. Femines they were going crazy, But like for Empire Strikes Back and Jedi. sure. It's like news cameras out there like Yeah, what do you have to do? The black dude talking about tal the whole thing. Yeah. have That's a funny video. It's fantastic. So nothing else. We can't what about were they busting the block on on Lord of the Rinkings? Did they bust the block? I would imagine. I can't remember. I really don't remember. We were going crazy. What about the Caribbean. Was that Was that one? Yeah, that was a big franchise. I remember people what they busting on the block? What they busting on a block for? I know. Yeah. what about end game A they might probably ye. So he's like I think they theyusted they busted it on the block for end game. It was busted in theater for in on the block, they busted it in the theater. I chapter earn your g. Yeah they b lost it on a bus. What else? What else, man? I mean, if we're including like MCU movies and like superhero movies and all that stuff, I mean Force awake is Got it bs aboutbama block for. Honestly It wasn itt before, but after the dark night I remember running to Oh might like gotta go see it L That's probably the first time I went back that same weekend. be watching it again I think I could make an argument that they busted on the block for the Dark Knight During the Dark Kight For the Dark Knight, the anticipation for the Dark Kight might have almost first There was all the Joker likeaemberoma where like the bat symbol was like breaking apart and you hear the joker talking, and I was like, this is. Are we gonna to bust on the block for the Odyssey or it's not like they busted it all over the block. They bed on themselves they on their Barbie, we forget Barbie.arar Yeah. Barheimar Barbberenheimer, they busted it all over the block. That was a long session to bring it back to the post credits. they busted it on the block. Well, they busted on the block now. they definitely are. Barbberenheimer was the the first time we bust stood on the block in a long time. Yeah, ye. That restored the feel, B. Well we busted ate a sandwich And then came mustn't.. It must't makes me feel good. Yeah, it was It does. I've been trying to tell people that, okay U Now that might be as much fun as we have for the entire podcast. All right. we are going to talk about Stehven Spielberg's Disclosure Date We will spoil the movie and it is a spoilable type movie Meaning Uh you know, this is one to where you legitimately get some shit spoiled and they could ruin the movie for you. I want to make sure that you guys know that before I throw a spoiler warning. because I'm not talking about like shit like Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's dad which you should fucking know that was spoiled I hate that type of shit. But this one Really pay attention to the fact that we are about to spoil this movie that is I would go in cls. Yeah. Um, Soiler warning, please We're getting ready to talk about the scisure You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming Now we have to to begin our reactions, We once again bring you the midnight manifest. talkalk about all the need to know O only person that can do that is Chuck Wagon Chuck, T take it away Allright, new iss your Midnight Manifest for Disclosure Day directed by Steven Spielberg, written by David Kepp from a Story by Spielberg. The film stars Emily Bunt, Josh O'Connor, Colin Ferth, Eve Hwston, and Coman Domingo. Daniel Kellenner is on the run from WardEx Corporation, a former cybersecurity specialist for the company. Kellner has an alien device and classified files that prove the existence of extraterrestrial life. As a private company, Wardx has been hoarding the information and using it for its own nefarious purposes WordX leader, Noah Scanlon, seens his private army after Keller, but when local Kansas City meteorologist, Margaret Fairchild speaks to alien dialect on live TV, CiO becomes convinced he has to capture both parties. Backed by Hugo, a mysterious Word x defector, Daniel and Margaret team up to disclose this information to the rest of the globe on the Eil of World War three. Eventually, our duo learns that they were both abducted by aliens as children. Daniel was given the ability to understand the universal language, AKA math. Margaret was given the ability to empathize and speak all languages. After some shenanigans with an alien McGuffin, Margaret reveals aliens exist to the world as Hugo rolls out a wrinkly ass alien in a wheelchair that has been your midnight manifest for disclosure day Now Van, before you we give our instant reactions to this Can we can we can we have a metet can we go and this with a measure conversation, maybe setting up how we felt about Disclosure dayay. becausecause before I went into this movie, I did not know a bunch about it. A lot of people were saying Either it's going to be a spiritual successor to close encounters or it's like an actual sequel to close encounters. And in ways it kind of is. Yeah M in ways I will say I did not realize, you know, white folks of a certain age are definitely putting their thumb on the scale for this. They want Spielberg back. heavy. Like you could feel it in the room. I did not realize how many people were like There's no way Spielberg can make a boring alien movie Yeah. That's right. And he did Ohy. It's al right. Allright, it's up boring. So u hm I get it I understand. And this is what's happening with Noolan as well, where it's like there's some directors where is like for them to have a good movie in the marketplace It feels like all movies are being saved. So if we talk about the movie itself, right before we even get into reactions. if we talk about the movie itself, The movie itself is doing a lot of stuff The movie itself is both commentary on contemporary world politics and the sort of uneasy feeling that we have just generally with the state of the world from a geopoliticalpoint because that's a backdrop It's the least touching on that The movie is talking about human compassion, what it means to be human. It's supposed to be a film that talks about the metaphics metesaphics of creation The metaphysics of creation, says is like you know, whether or not an intelligent design A intelligently designed more than earth because there's dogma that goes into where you believe that you come from if you believe that a creation is God. So did this God create everything? D this God create us? Does religion permit you to believe in extraterrestrial life Or does religionib prohibit you from believing in extraterrestrial life? The movie is attempting to have all of these conversations about what we know, about what we don't know, about what we should know how we should know it The links people go to keepep secrets, the trauma peopleople, u go through that makes them Anti humanist, non human, all of that stuff. The problem is the movie doesn't commit to any of those one things directly and doesn't actually interrogate them in any meaningful way So like when you have all of that together, think in the past, well, the reason why people love Spielberg movies so much is that Spielberg will give you this grand treatise on something. by exploring the smallest and most delicate human connection. It's an intimate story that tells you about something universe. Yeah. What is Jurassic Park about? Jurassic Park is about ect children from monsters of your own creation And that is what life is about. Life is about protecting children from monsters of your own creation. How do you protect kids from the monster that is capitalism from the monster that is exploitation, from the monster that is playing good. The dinosaurs in that movie just represent Some man's misplace wonder, some man's mispl and you have to protect kids from that. And then what are the lessons that you learned You are in a dinosaur movie, but you're also in a dinosaur movie about trying to preserve the innocence Chren. And you get all the thrills and all the feeling of we might not be able to get there and the bad guys get spit in the face and you have corporate espionage and all of that stuff If you have to commit to that though, and every single Spielberg movie You commit to that Typically, Iy prefer both here, but even Indiana Jones Indiana Jones and all of that stuff is Keeping evil out of the hands of people that want to exploit it, excuse me, keepeping beauty out of the evil people that want to exploit it. whether it be the Ark of the coovenant, the children that are being exploited in in Temple of Doom or the holy grail. and This movie, while it has all the trappings of the Spielberg movie doesn't have any of the stuff in the middle that really make the movie. Well, even if you think about ET What makes ET so so special is like It is a story about a child learning about mortality and letting go. There is the moment where ET thinkink he's dead You get like the tragedy of like, oh my God, this little alien that I've grown to love is dead. he comes back to life But still, Elliot has to say goodbye to him. It's a child being like part of life is saying goodbye to things we love It is a very intimate story that's telling us something broader where to your point, this would Disclosure dayay. It is the story that S Spielberger said is that basically he wrote this as like kind of like a scriptment, like fifty pages in like an iPad notes. over like a couple months and he sent it to David Kepen. I'm like, this is the notes app scrawlings of an eighty year old man for better and worse where it is like to your point, this is about fake news. This is about the like World War three breaking out. This is about religion. It is legitimately forty Sd rewrit on the script Really? Like for like like from kid like like no, no, no, no, no, no, they they He he developed forty two different drafts, forty two different drafts. So the And you can tell Yeah you like when like when you're when you're actually in the movie, like you can tell that We got to get this part of it in to your point. We got to get this in. We got to do this. It's Ey but close en couounters more the world. It is like But catch me if you can And that But kind of the terminal a little bit, which and I think the excitement from the film was that this in some kind of way was going to be the culmination of the Spilberergian film experiment that in some kind of way it was going to be all of those things in this grand sort of crescendo. Now I'm not burying Steven Spielberg or anything like that. No. But like what I'm saying is that this was going to be something that with all of these movies that he's made before, he's also made films that veered from this. he's made movies that are smaller. He's made movies that are more direct. He's made the color purple. so he's greatest filmaker probably of all time in terms of his ability to touch different people. But in this one There was so much in it that at the end It was kind of baring. likeike it just it didn't get there. That's why I'm like The movie's not like totally boring point it takes a lot of time like trying to do the things about religion, about family and I'm just like Yo There are people getting chased by the government but not the government thevernment but not the government. Nex, right? Like not the government, but they work for the DOD. whatever. likeike let's let's get back to that. Like that's like the interest that's why I'm in the movie, right? Not to he like sit here and be like talking to nuns about like, hey, man, what does it mean? and aliens? are also here. It's just like I want to be nice and be kind. People worked really hard this movie. One of the worst scripts I feel like from a sppoke movie I've ever I wouldn't say the worst.ne of whyy didn't say the worst one of Right? Sure like on. Why do you feel that way? It's just like retread after retread after retad. We have like the conversation at the beginning, right? with the nun and like on the phone with the nun and what's her name? Jane? Yeah, right And they're talking about like She talks to Josha O CConnor about like, hey, man, if you release this, there are people who have like who believe in a higher being and you find out that there are higher beings Like what does that mean? for is something mean for them? Are you sure you should do this, right? And then see guess the thing, we I have a whole bunch of movies and then she talks on the phone with the nun Right? But they don't really like open up about that And then if y and she's like, great Let's let's release the files. Right to the people It's just like things that like to your point, like they don't meaningfully pay off. They have conversations, they have beats and they take up a lot of time, but at the end of the day, don't emotionally you don't emotionally feel like that character got there. Like why is like if Jane really felt that way or if she needed to be convinced that Joshu O'Connor's way was the right way? The movie would have done that, But the movie doesn't do that. At the end, she's there standing holding his hand at the end while Victor Wamayyama comes out of the wheelchair and we're like, great, cool. that was awesome. It all worked out That doesn't really work. Yeah, I think every single problem that I have with the movie runs back to the script because there are a lot of great things in this movie that really do work and I don't think it has anything to do with the performances, the direction, the music, John Williams never missing But it's all about the script and how the story is executed because everything that this story wants to take its time on, we don't necessarily care about and anything that the movie cares to explain, it takes way too little time explaining it And all of the earnestness and The biggest problem that I ever have is with the ending of this movie The earnestness that is carried out throughout this entire movie is completely unearned in my opinion and unresolved when it comes to how it ends And the idealism with which Keep and Spielberg present humanity To me in this time. feels completely naive and B borderline disrespectful about the the reflection of the world that we live in right now. I actually disagree You think so I like I don't want to like harb on the ending until like we get there, but like I think the ending is a kind of a complete like of Kpielberg and Kpper Legends, I do think that this is intentional. When I was watching the movie, I think the things that we can laugh about is that we have modern movie brain, which is like For an example When Margaret when Emily Blunt comes to break Josh O'Connoro And they're surrounded by all these soldiers and she's so empathetic She's just like, look, I'm gonna be someone you lost. I'm gonna to read your mind and that's gonna to get us out. like modern movie Brand was like, this doesn't work. And there's so many points in the script where she is just kind of happening. And I'm like, oh, this is like old Amblin movies where it's just like things would work out because we know we're in a movie and I do not need to explain to you how this makes. G me an example of that You me an example of something where 'use I'm not disagreeing with you that I had a problem with that, but give me an example of particularly an Amlin or Spilberg movie where something just works out because it does and there's no ex No Sos it's handled better, but we've had a joke about this like in ET when they're all hopping on the bikes. to run away from like the cops. Like if you like, look, you're just catch those kids immediately. But because you are so immersed in the world, it's a different time. We can make jokes in the bott. likeike how the fuck would that even happen but it's because about when ET makes aliAas fly No is like run are like they all hop on the bikes and they're all running away trying to skate with ET. It's something that is just like logically modern movie brained. That's something that someone would read the script and be like They're not outrunning the cops. And and I think it works in that because it was a different time versus now with Disclosure Day. There's a bunch of shit that happens where you're just like too cynical of a society for any of this to work out. A CEO isn't going to see their dead wife and then just be like let everybody go. But I do think that that would happen. So this is I do think that to your point actually kind of split between the two of you guys like if Somebody walked in here like if my dad walked in here right now Im going lose So so like it' I do like I do understand that. It just wasn't deployed No It wasn't going. N not no So like So it if All of those people are right there and they're concentrated, right It would be one thing if there was an escape and it was one person. It's the whole group of people. all of them. She's not doing it to all of them at the same time. She's doing it to them one at a time. There's points where I'm like shoot her. It's like but there are points where where like there points where I'm like, shoot fucking him. I think even what you're talking about we all have the it's a movie part of it, right? It's a movie The Avengers Stark invents time travel. in about five or ten minutes, something that had never occurred for him to do ever before for. which he could have, right? Like he could have wasnt properly motivated. L right? Maybe not, right? But it's a movie In this film though, particularly in a film made by filmmakers that have this type of expertise What you what you expect is at least thematically in a scene for the stakes to be ratcheted up And then there to be some actual thematic resolve to that And they just don't seem to be able to do that. They seem to be able to toobbling together a movie where shit happens. L she can use the thing to get into her brain. The Mcy doesn't make sense. She And then at the same even with that, right I would have thought that that entire time that she would have become this clear and present threat to him, then she goes through something and she understands why she can break that type of Ther that she has it. never happens. It's just kind of a thing that needs to exist to get the story from scene to scene, which is why in that regard, it reminded me of the Super Mario Brros movie a little bit. Oh wow. No not not justust listen, but yeah, yeah The Super Mario Brrosers movie is not like you were looking at what was happening on the screen and that it wasn't fun What you were saying was they just got to this plan and how fuck they just got out of it. Yeah. And like this disisclosure day kind of does that throughout the entire film gets to an ending that you're supposed to be really moved by, but you're not quite sure that you are. Exactly. I was absolutely not moved by that ending at all. And I think that the Main reason that it is that problem is because I actually didn't realize the biggest problem the movie had until the ending, which is the entire premise of this movie is that if you think that the disclosure of this information is basically going to unravel all of society You really need to illustrate Clearly what type of society we're living in right now And it's not really at all illustrated. It's just being talked about through different types of people very inelquently, and through ways that are entirely roundabout to what that ending is supposed to be. So Joelly, in the movie, we're supposed to be on the brink of World War three. R like you can they see it throughout the film. I tal about' at Dev Con to. There's the guy from Korea talking about like I keep forgetting it's happening. I forget it's happening it at all times. I'm like people are making runs when Watt Russell and her run on the gas run on the gas station, right?ike Something is about to happen. like Russia and the guy says we haven't been this close to nuclear wars since the Cuban missile crisis. Like it's bad. And after that, like that's kind of they kind of like just seed it in, but they nobody like You know, we don't never feel it. Yeah, we don't feel it. Here's the thing about the aliens in the end How do I a he say There is alien. I feel like if they said, hey guys, we're not alone in the universe. aliens exist crazy The movie also goes a step further and it's like As exist Theyve exist the whole time. WordX are hiding it from us and we've been mistreating the aliens in the basemel of the government. I laughed at that for Ill ask this, do the aliens look good? 'ause like when we first see the footage of the torture of the alien A A going like this? I was like A going like this is last thing I'm like field work because he goes with and I think this is is a direct artistic choice Spielberg decides to go with a very, very classic Reian small big oval eyes R head and it doesn't It looks dazy. Well because I mean look. It's Spielberg class of Close E couounters. what' you call it? Chr Chrystal Sull, this movie like they it's got that's a classic design. class Yeah. I get that. And he didn't look like that. But and let me tell you something about It didn't really matter how he looked Because when you when you saw ET, ET, like it didn't matter how he looked. ET was connecting with people.. The connection that you felt, you felt imperiled for him. You wanted the humans to lose You wanted the children to win. not putting kids in anything like that. I realize that that's a cheat code, but like ET's look didn't really matter. In this look in this film, we're talking about the look of the aliens because by the time the aliens hit the screen, we're like What am I where am I supposed to be Right am I supposed to like is is like like what like what what is this like what's supposed to happen here? Like what like what how am I supposed to feel towards the alien? E even the u Deed the lady who is giving the news report at the end As she becomes more and more moved at a point that starts to get kind of corny It starts to get a little bit like it's I just wantan to see the alien I dontbe. It starts to get like she is She telling us exactly the emotion that we're supposed to feel. Y. She's guiding us through thiserri. Yeah It was weird because All the things that a Spielberg movie has ever been Um It's never been technically poor Meaning that like I've never seen one to where I've seen one where it hasn't worked for me or whatever, but foratever reason, but it's never been Poor scene craft. And a couple of times in this movie There's like legitimately poor scene craft Poor like Like you're watching something and you're thinking that this is made by somebody who is not as good as Steven Spielbert. Now don't get me wrong When you go and you see the movie The lens flares are there. the ridiculous crafting of w moves How it moves a cat The motherfucker is the baddest motherfucker with shooting that type of shit that we've had, right? Greats head pieces. great great pieces all of that stuff is there But in terms of like, In a scene, the scene has meaning. you feel something in it, you get out of it There's not as much of that here as there should be. Is there also the difficult of As a society Do we still believe But do we still have the innocence where a lot of this movie and a lot of what Spielberg is interested in about aliens Aliens have to be something that we give a fuck about And I think because we are in such a place where we've seen everything, we know everything, we have the internet for Spielberg The Roswell incident and aliens. It is something that fascinates him, the conspiracy, what are people hiding? How would you unite us? And in twenty twenty six, we just don't care. Right And I think we can. I'm saying to the point hold on. honestly, I disagree I think we do care. I think we're more obsessed with the disclosure of alien material than we've ever been I think we believe in it more than we've ever been sure than we ever have I think that there's actual real world evidence to point to the fact that an actual disclosure day would be something that would be a gigantic incident. Right rightight now. and what I'm saying is this movie would be not only commentary on that. Commentary on the stakes of it, on the reality of it it would happen, what it would mean and all of that and it's a more than it is anything else. It's a chase chase, beat 'em up psychic movie. Because It's interesting that you would bring that up The Trump administration continues to hit a large disclosure in order to obfuscate from other things that it has going on. and it kind of works every time kind of an actual narrative about truth and transparency and what it would mean. For a world like the world we live in right now One of the most unifying things would be the existence of aliens. But I also push back on that because we live in such a world right now where we can actively be lied to peoplee will believe it and to where you can see somebody on the street dying and people will say it's not real And to wear that's a separate issue. When I'm talking about' an ending where a news organizationold for. Hold on. what I'm talking about is is if if the disclosure were real The AI thing and all of that stuff is fine. Whether or not we would actually believe it is fine. I'm talking about whether because that that is Either you get a piece of video in your face, either you believe it or you don't So whether or not we would believe the dis disclosure is one thing. But if in fact the disclosure were real, which is what this movie especially at the end expects you to like to wrap your mind around If that were to happen right now, we're living in a time right now where I think people are more Pable to the idea that aliens are actually real They actually think that they might be real and they want truth So I don't think that we're so when I'm saying if if we're talking about like The nothing is really, nothing matters. The votes no votes matter. we will get everything. But what I'm talking more so about is The cynicism of that Because funny enough, like when we were having the debate when Joe was here about Denny or Nolan, I had never seen a rival. So I watched arrival. and I was just like, oh These movies are a one to one thing where a rival to mee is a movie that is more so to Steve's point dealing with What is the world actually like and what would actually happen once we figure out Aliens are there. It's not a cynical movie, but it does paint a picture of a world better that is like claustrophobic, doesn't trust anyone Like n like nationalism on the rise Spielberg's version of this created by a guy who still believes that enough people watch local news. And we know that they don't that's not I'm a journalist. I love local news, but even being a meteorologist and the whole thing being like, we're going to make an entire movie around people watching like Kansas City local news as I'm like Maybe that's somethingbe I feel like in I got up in in a pre COVD world, maybe, in a post COVD world where there was like a literal threat to us And people were like, cool, we not we're not really great. Yeah we don't believe in all this stuff. right? If you say aliens exist, people are going come together and be like, o, man, we gott to unite for the aliens, man. They to unite everyveryone is going to. There was a child like, you gott to wear masks now were not doing that. This COVID things fake is a hax. If you show aliens, people are not going to be like, I actually guys, we got to come to But that's what the movie would actually be that's the question the movie would be asking So like so listen, we're talking past each other. I'm What I'm talking about right now is not necessarily whether people W unify over alas. I'll give you guys that. That's fine. whatever People don't unify over anything, whatever, whatever We're talking about right now. The actual probable existence of extraterrestrial life would be a monumental event in human history It just would. And whether or not it started on local news or whatever, things go viral from local news all the time Local newews weather ladies go viral. Okay, so things so things go viral from local news all the time. My question is whether or not right now Someone went, Hey This is bleep bl blap from the planet, whatever He is an alien. this is the deal. That's a huge fucking deal, right And it's a it's it's a gigantic Earth shattering, huge changing deal. Right? It it's it reorients perspective on everything. It changes history. People will start to relitigate crop circles and Stonehene and whatever other phenomenon Yeah, whatever other phenomenon that they believe in That would be a thing. There of course would be some people who believed in it and some people who didn't believe in it. My point about the movie is that the movie is not concerned. really in any real way with U, The ramifications of that The movie is concerned with a struggle between the people who want to make this truth known and the people who don't. Right. That's what the movie is about. And it's crazy to me that the villain's entire motivation around keeping that truth hidden is the complete reasoning behind Like to know that he was in fact proven entirely wrong is the point of what the villain is trying to do The mere fact that None of that cynicism is actually reflected. Like it's as if he is doesn't exist properly in that world where everybody else is wrong around him And He just happens to be the one that's right Does that make sense?ike it's the fact that Colin Furth knownows that this will unravel society and By no other reason other than he lost his wife and became cynical, was he wrong Well, Colin F doesn't believe in the humanity of the aliens. The difference between C and F and And u Jh' Connor, Joh Oconnor and Emily Blu to a lesser degree because she's no empathy. Kind of a passenger and Coleman Domingo is that Coleman Domingo is still open to the bounty of connection to the degree that he's allowed himself to connect with these aliens, and believes them to be more than what they are Colin Firth has experienced this great trauma and tragedy in his life. and that's hardened him And so he doesn't even want to have the conversation about whether or not What he's doing is wrong. He's in pain And and because he's in pain, he's taking it out on probably the aliens, but more the idea that we should be in community with them. which is kindind of What? organizations like that do. like organizations that are involved in defense or they want you to kill people They always give you a reason why you should kill people and that reason oftentimes has to do with your experience, what you've been through or sometimes they substitute some honor code or a way of life or some belief in domination of another culture. So that's kind of the buy in that you have to get to like pick up a gun and go shoot somebody in the head on behalf of somebody else. You have tove that there's something that's bigger than you that's asking you to do it or they have to be able to hone in on the thing that's encumbering you to make you to militarize you in that way. And that had happened to him and we don't find out until we realize that he lost his wife. Like what the question is, you know, the aliens' got cool songs and like nice tricks. whyy ain't down with it? Why did they send their fucking animals to talk to you?y Why don't the animals work on you? 'cause you're upset because your wife has died because all of that stuff. Other than that, we get nothing from that guy now. We don't get the fact that he that there's anything in in in a for him, right? We don't get that he is going that he's up five hundred million dollars. Right. We don't get that he wants to become the Secretary of defeense himself characters wound up and goes and we don't really know why. And he's doing really Painous And there's really no explanation for it other than dims the way things are. Yeah. We don't get any real explanation as to why Coleman Domingo is such a greatay guy Other than he saw a video he saw the video of the alien being tortured. okay Like what like like what's the deal? And the reason why those questions kind of don't get asked is because the movie answered is because the movie There's too much going on. Yeah. so going I feel like I like this movie more than y'all But to me If we take like he manan and Disclosure day o me, they both have a nostalgia problem where He Man is a movie that is trading on nostalgia for something that you have seen, whether it is the show or the toys or memes. and it is like we are going to put this on the screen and the warm feeling that you're going to feel is like Ooh, this is familiar. This is like familiar like familiar in a way that I can contextualize. What I did like about Disclosure Day is it's using the nostalgia of Spielberg to be like, This is how I feel about religion and news and aliens as Late seventies, eighties eight year old man and it does not always work think we're being harsh because I'm like, there's some fascinating shit in this. where I' just like this says so much about Bielberg at this stage in his life and not only what he thinks is important the questions that he's answering And I'm just like, I would rather this type of messing movie. Look, obviously, I disagree. and this Ill give you two reasons why I am I would I would actually say, well, let me come back to that So Obviously a movie based on a toyay is going to be a nostalgia play Obviously it is. obbviously a movie based on a toy. anytime they make a movie out of something that you loveved as a kid They are. All they really need to do in that movie is give you enough of a story for you to really come to terms with the fact that you went into that movie backack in nineteen eighty five again Now hopefully, you get filmmakers likeike Greta Gerwig who do incredibly fascinating new and daring things with those stories so that they're not just like harvesting your Saturday afternoon It Saturday morning or your Wednesday afternoon. You want people to be more I think that this is different I think that this is different because Um I don't really feel There's a huge nostalgia situation in this. The nostalgia situation would have been if they'd have brought Richard Dreififfus back or if The fucking alien walks out and it itss ET. Right? L like that would have been the Nostarer play. This movie is actually doing something different. It's a loyalty play It's assuming that the town is so loyal to Stehven Spielberg. that they won't be honest about this. And and I'm and I'm andm I'm being for real here. Look, I come into this on these podcasts, all these podcasts on the Ringer podcast network and I let you guys know something. And I'll say it again. A lot of this stuff that we cover when it's like this I'm in the bag for it. I'm in the bag for Hean. I'm in you got to make a really bad movie out of that shit for me not to like it because that stuff me so much to me when I was a kid and when my brain was forming. It was an escape out of a hellish place, which is what Baton Rouge was at times Like sometimes you would go to visit your uncle in Angola and then you would leave Angola and you didn't want to be in Baton Rouge anymore L you wanted to be an attorney You're like, what the fuck is going on? That still is very that still weighs on me even now. There's a lot of stuff in there. I don't apologize for any of it. But what I don't do is a lie I can what I say is I liked this But it wasn't very good You might not like it. I like this, but I can tell you right now, this might not be for you. I'm in the bad for this. But if I go to see it in it's bad, I don't lie. My taste might be bad. But I'm not cynical in the fact that I go see something and because of fealty or allegiance to a director or a filmmaker, pretend that gets good when it's not. This is not a very good movie. here's I agree with. And so like for me, what I'm saying is I actually applaud the fact that Spillberird to me didn't rely very much on nostalgia. He didn't try to make this spirual successor to he didn't do any of the people that any of the things that any they tried to make a new fresh movie with this this heady exploration of all of these topics. They went for it and they missed. here The reason I disagree is like something to me that doesn't work about the movie, but I was just like I was watching. I'm like, I'm still fascinated is like the animals, the fucking cardinal and the fox. And them all of these animals kind of like communicating with these kids and the kids being brought up into the ship I was just like, oh, this is kind of like, well, what if we showed Elliot going up into the ship with ET where it's like this is and that's why I didn't like it in this film because I'm just like, You didn't like the animals or you did like the animals. I did not. Oh I thought it was like I thought Well, A, they looked ugly. yeah. I was like, but it's interesting And I'm like it was. Sure. My problem with it more so was I'm like Well, the minute you take these kid the great thing about ET is like you're taking something that's so fantastical and you're putting it in our world and you're never giving us too much of it. You're never explaining too much about the aliens, you're because once you start explaining too much, I'm just like, all right on now With Disclosure dayay, I feel like, oh, you're showing me way too much and like watching these two little kids hold hands as these aliens putush shit in, whatever I'm like This is a fucking different fucking movie. Yeah. This feels like this feels like a different thing than what I've just been say tetered to something. And it's still the least important part of the movie. Like the disclosure of the aliens and like the dismation of getting that information to the right place is the actual like real point. But the Inclusion of Josh O'Connor and Emily Blunt's characters of being these like suuperpowered like vessels of knowledge are the only ones that can disclose this information is very muddled and like Clunky The more I learned about their backstory about like, because there's this big mystery of like what happened to us as children What the fuck are we doing? Because like the reveal is, okay you got beamed up and they gave you superpowers is not interesting to me. The actual interesting stuff that I think we could build the ground on is like the fuck what happened during Disclosure Day? How do people feel? And it's like he's more interested in the thematic elements than he is of just like the plot going forward of like what does it feel like to be in this world and how are our heroes going to survive? Right. mean Th things Jo, go ahead you haven't you haven' Like they're Stuff So I don't know, man. It's like it's just The just kind of whack. I mean, I'm really trying to it's well it's the movie is really well made, but of all the things that we've talked about, right? there's a phenomenal sequence when there's a chase and there's a train scene, right? Right That That end when they bust out of the house with the gun The house scene or that those two scenes That was awesome. My favorite and this is why like point about like people being in the back Soo. Like he like this is why he's the goat The scene where they're in the warehouse and the house is invisible and like they're trying to escape and like the and they just run the house They just run into the house and it's like really playful. The guy like falls on the door and it's invisible and then we see the door like that's he still got it He still got it. So you're watching that scene, you're like, man Where has this been the last forty minutes? Right? Like it's like to your point, the car, the chasing with the train because the house we spent fifteen minutes with Wyatt Russell for no fucking reason. Like like like because like because that's not disist to Wyat Russell I fuck with Wyat Russell. He was was funny. He was funny was But like we, like we, you know, we're trying to run over the fucking like it's it's like all of this stuff These conversations that we have about things in movies that are working, and I'm not trying to rip the movie to shreds because people are gonna to go see the movie and they're gonna be like, Hey, I have fun with the movie. said in Roted tomatoes. Once again, it's down. I do want you to get before we kind of get to Midnight Mer. is your big issue when the town does this with Nolan Spielberg A There's a certain type of director when it's like, when these things come out because I see it too where how I see is I'm like there are directors that almost get a pass where it is just like because we have such a connection to them emotionally, it is very, very hard for us to be honest about the work. It is the same problem of just like If you if you love Spider Man You don't want it to be. You don't want to be. we play it on the show all the time. Like Wh why is it bothering you when it is a certain class of director All right We're gonna to get into this and that people are going to be pissed off One Name the directors that that happens for again Obviously I agree. it is it is a white male direct that is a certain type of director that has always been at the center of Hollywood that we do this for. We do not do this for a black film Spikey does not get this. Right. Spikey has made A a million Beautiful u incredibly crafted very important films to me But every time a fucking spikey movie comes out, we judge it on the merits Now, I don't have a problem with people loving their favorite directors. I mean, it' it's such it's so weird that I've been put in this position and like ch in of board of this. No, no, no, no, no. it's just it' weird though. It's weird as if I wasn't raised on punch drunk loveve or there will be blood or boogie nights. I'm older. I had to sneak and go see these movies, not sneak and go see it. makeake a way to go see the fucking movies, right W like all of these fucking movies when he's when hes when this shit came out, like these are the films that kind of raised me. and these are the directors and the filmmakers that raised me. particularly with kind of this really ic and it exists in all fandoms and this is a fandom. Yeah. Spielberg. The film bro thing. Oh ye fandom. That's a fandom. You are a Star Wars hit. You are an MCU person. or a comedic b that's a fandom, right? The question is whether or not it's a fandom that really loves the higher brow artistic, beautiful shit. and the rest of us like fucking just like drinking slops My problem with it isn't necessarily that it's u My problem is that number one, Those people don't take responsibility for who they are They don't say we're just going to eat what these directors give us and and not be critical about it. They don't take We have to, they don't Number one, that's one problem. They do point it is a because I feel this. It's like A, you're an idiot. You haven't done enough. You're not, You haven't watched enough movies. You can't say you're get it. We're like we're right. We're always right Y'all are fucking dunces. And by the way, and I like I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that they Rriot H for this shit. I really do So I really do appreciate it The reality of it is I'm like when I'll say it again. when I watch one of these, I go, hey I liked this These are the reasons why Action figures comic books and my kid, my childhood I don't come out and go, this is actually the best movie that's ever been made and you're too stupid to get it That to me, fuck you Suck my dick for real Because that's not what's happening. What's happening is some of this shit is not quite as good as you say that it is And also so much oxygen, oxygen gets take taken up by those guys. and the rules on apploted them really maybe that's maybe they've earned that that Ka starts to become a tailwag in the dog type of situation. I don't like that. I don't like that type of privilege. choking conversation anythingything. Well, do you also think it's like Ryan Kugler is well on his way to being a legend I'm not comparing him M Spielberg. I love Kugler I remember when sinners came out. Why were bllack people mad? You see variety in all of these publications reporting on like how much was it is it really a success? It goes on to blow up director has to prove hisself in the first whatever And even then it's still kind of like, eh, well, it's not as successful. Meanwhile, if you look at how we are reporting on disclosure day, I would say the headlines are a little bit more We're protecting. course Right. And I get itsi Spiberg' Ste Spiber. That's for the course. Steven Spiberg has done so much for this town. L Steven Spielberg is the inventor of the modern blockbuster. Yes. We all at the su we at the movies this summer. he's earned this. Yeah If we don't use Koogler, I use Spike Lee. If we use Spike Lee How we were talking about the Denzel movie, Hest Lowest? Spike Lee does not another movie legend, one of the great does not get the protection right. And by the way, maybe maybe there's some maybe Spielberg has earned something that Spike Lee has. Maybe you feel that way. That's fine. I feel that way. Lm look, I'm I'm what I'm essentially talking about right now peopleeople can go back and listen to any of the conversations that I've had on Cinners When I've talked about Sinners, I've been like, Hey, man, Sinners is not a perfect movie. Yeah It's not There are a lot of people out there that say Sinners is the best piece of black cinema that's ever existed. I do not agree. I think it's a phenomenal movie. I really enjoyed Sinners. But every time I talk about it, hey, it's not a perfect movie. Sinners is from Dustal Dawn. Sinners is tells from the Crypt Demon Kight. Sinners is, we're locked in here. The vampires are out there. incredible cultural nuance in the movie, cultural exploitation in the movie. It's beautifully shot. It's like amazingly performed. All of that stuff. The music is amazing. It's It's something that was made for me. So I like it more than you. and that's okay, right? So like what I'm but what I'm trying to say is almost feels like sometimes I have to be honest about who I am to be taken seriously in this space and they don't. So there's a level of cognitive dissence. Yeah If you de man, if you're in the bag for MCU and Star Wars stuff, you're going like that. I have to be able to can we have to make a list and I'm of the current directors where we're like, we can't be honest. It's not that they're making bad movies, but when they make a movie, it is like, at least for the first month or two, is like some people lot' being honest about this. Wh would be in there? I mean, Ivis Spielberg is in there. I mean, would no one D in there N because thatiga don't miss like that. I mean, y'all say it only misses. I don't like I didn't like tenn it. I didn't like I love ten. I didn't like ten. I didn't like tenennet, but you know kind of be honest with you. Tennet came out and Ten was it was a divisive movie and There was maybe because it was in the it wasuring pandemic. Maybe it was a divisive movie, but people seemed okay with the conversation around it though Yeah, It didn't seem like a lot of people were going like, o my Godd you didn't like Tennet, you don't fuck. I don't think saw it becausecause I remember I just want to get back to movies. I went like I went on vacation during the pandemic just to get out. and I remember being the only person in the theater and being like, damn, I don't have anybody to talk to Tennet because I was like most of my friends weren't right. We were all seeing it at different times What other directors you have mean PT? I mean a PTA, but look peopleeople think that I didn't like one battle batt after another. That's not the case. Yeah is really not the case. You're mad about the conversation around it. Not even that. What I heard was like I talk to people, people whose opinions I really, really and they were like, It's the best movie of the last twenty years It's the best movie of this decade It's the best. I'm like Guys And it was you can't even disagree with that. Like the master clears out one battle after another. There will be blood clears out one battle after another to me. However, I understand what one battle after another. actually became. And what this movie is and what all of this stuff is. This is a rebellion by high brow film fans against movies that they don't enjoy takaking over their space And I get that This is the people that say, hey, get that mumble wrap out of here This would like like one batt after another. uh winning the best picture and sweeping Oscars and doing That's like right now for me if not sold two million records I would be like, shit, the real shit is back Like the the shit that actually has prestige and pushes this this genre for is back Now you can say that of course you can say that dot is that or whatever.. But they felt like they were held hostage by people that Cable But you want the film you want the film bros to hold their Ls because I will say, you know, over on this side We hold Eternals. L you like some people love it or hate it, but I'm like. The real thing is the real thing is They bust in I ass and they really never stopped. Okay. Like if it's us, if it's the fanb bros versus the film bros, we was never really up. It only felt like we was up, right? Be we was up in terms of a box office Yeah, but like they had the Oscars every had the Oscars It was it being up would have been like And we put some fear in them sometimes, right? P Black Panther put a little fear in them. We nominated best picture. The Dark Knight put a little fear in them, but that was actually The Film Broross kind of coopted that a little bit. They did because that was Christopher Nolan using us as a side bitch. All right. Black like Dark Kight Rises was Christopher Nolan U like using us using Batman to get to that next level Because he it was so smart of him, by the way. let me give you an elevated take on Batman I'll fuck Batman up. I wasn't the ass moment where Film history was all about the titties Nolan is like, what about the ass? What about dark ass? And we got we got And now fanboys are the ass men of cinema. So I think so Butan, but Nan also, Nolan never stopped doing his thing. Nolan went Here's the prestige little reception his interstellar his interstellar like and then but he had grown his audience so much that now I gott to go see every Nolan movie. I gotta go see every Nolan movie because this' the guy I did that. But when you look at the really important like groundbreaking films of the twenty tenens, Box office w, sure, it's in game,'s superhero stuff, It's the MCU. But the movies that are really going to be like remembered and lauded have always been the more serious, more technical takes more prestigious filming. They felt like it was a threat. that we weren't coming back to it. And then All of a lot of their faves Anthony Hopkins had to jump in that yearit. Yeah Cumberbash had to We took all of your faves likeike a lot of their faves had to get in that's what say it's like not H cry had to go put the cape on. Yeah. Now they stomp and they feed they win it But we I tell you what, man, Spyman brand new day about the shit on this shit under the Odyssey d. Well look, on the Odyssey. Yeah got like think about it, like do know. ike does doom belong to them or does doom belong to us? Doom belongs to us We should do what we should doy's been in the bag for us. I think I think I think Doom is a Dune is a dark Kight custody battle. Oh interest I think Dunon is a darkight. That's fair. That's fair. I think Dune is a darkight. Well, no because Deny's going about to go to Bond now See, Den Den know what Deny going do the same shit and' just like double bouncing on it andart. I think Dunon is a dark Knight. Dunon is a I'm Deny. Look at all of this shit that I got going on. because he tried to kind of Logan is Logan in this Logan is one of the ones. Logan is one of the ones. But the man Mgle did indee And then he also did the Dylan thing. So yeah, he's leaning on the prestige m. Yeah. So it's like it's to me, I look at and I get it. They don't want They like they don't want tightwarears to take over their shit Cgar in a bllack m is did he come he like did he come take Black Panther D the second one, now he's doing sinners Well Ryan because he had Creed before. so he are kind of doing a little bit of the franchise. Like we don't think of Creed so much as a franchise. Absolutely the first one was so good. Yeah But it's like maybe three of them. But but even even sinners is genre. Yeah, Its like vampires and shit. Ryan know how to do it. Ryan is a Ryan has the spill Bergieian brain. That's also because all of the technical chops are there. And I'll say's one other thing and I'll just be honest. is that There's no one Wh who is going to act like Um, and if you just take cinners that because they're selling us back our childhood and our nostalgia, that a lot of times in these movies that they put the exact same technical and story care into them that they do with films that just have to exist on story, right? R exist on vision. If you watch something like I know, if you watch something like Hora. Right? If you watch that movie, that movie can't fail itself. If the movie fails itself, then the movie fails. Right. So if the if that if by the end of that movie, you don't break a little bit when she gets to where the movie doesn't work The movie don't work they can't bill you out with a CGI fight. They can't do that. And when you can people bail people out with a CGI fight, oftentimes you do And like that is something that if you're a fanboy type of deal, you have to Fantominis gets saved by the Duel of the Fates. Yeah. Yes. It gets saved the movie is It's not very watchable. It's not that great, but the duel of the fates is so Star Wars that the movie get sa. I mean Spiderm Man Noay Home is a perfect example of just like You have three Spider men from three different generations in one movie. you can't really fuck it up. Well you rewatched the movie of your life. D's not very good. It's not. but hey when wintert time that time When you watch the movie, that was a whole feeling. the last but when you rewatch, it's not very good. But when you see the three Spider Man on the screen. Right.. And so no I get the whole thing to Round is off back to disisclosure day They made a movie It's a miss And that's okay. You know who didn't miss though Emily Blunt, we haven't talked about. Let's get to ex'sust. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's doing the poolyglot thing. L at first you're kind of like what's going on, but as the movie goes and she's connecting with people either through language or like through like inhabiting somebody else You're like, oh my gosh, like this is This is like really incredible like sceneewk by her. She was amazing. Every scene with Joshua Connor or Colin Furth or whoever it was, like her like that onener through the newsroom when she like she first like talking to the Korean guy and then walking back to the news desk. To her coworkers and everything. It's just like she was magnificent throughout the whole film. We gott to give her love. And her dynamic with Riot Russell, which again, like seems meandering They work together. like that character of being like, not exactly the shit headad boyfriend, but like the guy who's just sticking around like Russell shit. they could have cut this. I'd they could have cut it, but it's good. I'll tell you what, it doesn't serve for the movie. Spielberg, you know, like he, he demand, can do whatever he wants. I thought this was funny when they throw up his phone at the car. They're trying to crross the phone that was funn. They gott to like go back they like stopped the move for you to feel like But then go back that's funny. Let on that scene, right That scene doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't serve for me at all, no, no, what I mean is that like D Fids or in the hospital. behind The feds are still in the parking lot. the feds are in the hospital and they have to get her or she's going to release the secrets of alien. Th compare that Why are they talking to the doctor? compomare that scene to Neil escaping his office in the Matrix Right. All right, Neo is escaping his office in the Matrix And Agent Smith is there. We don't know exactly where Agent Smith is yet, but we know he bad. Yeah. We know he's bad if Neo gets caught Neil she basically is doing the same thing, right? The whole deal. At the end of it when he is caught, you're like, God damn, what happens now? She just leaves She like she doesn't jump out a window. She just leaves. L she walks through the things through the side thing. we see the lady cut to them in the car. Where the fuck is the FBI? Are they still talking to? Be that's fucking dumb. Like like that was in the hotel where O girl wass like You'll tie me up, you can't trust me. And I'm like, oh, Josh O'Connor, you got some smirts He's all. He's thrown away anything that can I be the can I be them? Why are you holding some shit with the address, but I kind of get your head that because the reveal of just like pushing the foot over to the like also shot well Oh yeah the made well. it makes it's made well. It doesn't millburn. I know it's made well. But it's so conflicting because those are inherently entertaining things. We laughed at it theater what' happening Remember Wade They they're driving away from the cabb whatever and they throw the car off the cliff and they the other God And they're hing h go watch They alone. I look back these people are these Wardx guys are a bunch of slap dicks. isn't that isn't that kind of sc Isn't that That is ambling bad guysy Aambling a different time where it was like Yeah, the storm troopers could miss a bunch and a new hope.' a different time you're not thinking about it, but I'm like in a modern movie, I'm like just turn around to like When he crashes his car into the tree and they're like, getet out of the car. I'm like, grab his ass. I will say. that I do get the Stormtrooper thing as a very good point. But normally though, When we up against some like special forces type niggas You got to be a little bit more wileily. I mean, they let an IT man one circles around him when he stole a car. he was like, R I was just like, what is he doing?ike like He's a formul one driver?' like It's like like what's going on? By the way, they shoot the tire out of the car and the car drives at high speed for another fucking ten minutes. What flats? They got no flats. But maybe they do, Maybe they do because it is a government joint though'ue He he also he also says in in the first scene He goes, and I'm not trying to nitpick the fuck out of the movie He goes on U he says, they're tracking this car. We got to get rid of it. gott to get rid of They then Do they not drive the car to the nun or they don't because of don't know, it's the other car. like a taxi.owing a taxi in other.. So I don't want to pick the movie apart because none of that stuff would have mattered 'ause that's just like, whatever. I just didn't understand at times Like what was happening. None none of that stuff When you don't connect with the movie, you can do nothing but nit pick. Hey guys, let's set a perimeter around the motel, but not the back of the motel. Not the back of the motel. justust the front Yeah And it's just you know Once again This there's there's there's a lot of talk and there's a lot of people and I'm sure there are some people, let me not be an asshole Wh went to discloseure dayate and they genuinely lied to O course, great Cra Corbeck, John Craig Corbeck was fucking pissed at us when we came out of the movie., honestly, I would be so real. Craig be shiting our superhero movies all the fucking time. Dam walked out of there was just like, o, man, you're be too hard. This I was like, Craig, donon't lie. That was a quiet ass movie theater. We was walking out. it was like a funeral just happened. Like come on. Everyone was like, Hey, what was theick Whatere were the Nicks doing? Yeah, what was the end of the f? Yeah fuck that friendrenchie An If everybody hang on Wby me, I just see Jacobbe did a whole thing. Sean don't like Wy. Kbe because San Kobe. No because this's thing I am. WB after this, I love Wy, but he do be looking down. down on us. Ke be talking about the New York Kicks like just some Chromagnums, like, fuck them wow Wow It's to Americ You a frenchman here on like my sensibilities? He's like, I'm to a botanical cardon. I'm botanical carding. nicked. Anyway I was I was drawing birds and chess. Yeah playing chess and apart. All right one and twelve of y'all know what it is one. Worst eleven to twelve game changers, all'll start us off. I'm gonna to give this Closure day a very, very strong six Wow Okay Okay Aing. Okay, that that skews what I thought I was not I was I was going to give it a five. I thought I thought it would be like wayay off, I thought she was gonna give it like a Svage ofum. Yeah, you know here's the thing, I liked this movie more than y'all. Yeah, there's so much about this movie that does not work. Like I can't being out the alien was crazy Yeah ike Professor X. We leftave Yeah. Also, they're going to have to meanme the part Where the old wricklely aliens stands up and he starts whispering Yeah Cese is home. That was supposed to be that was supposed to be like a really moving part of the movie, but like we didn't get any chance Te with the aliens, man. We ain't get any they was birds. Anyway, I'm giving it a five. Yeah. It's a five for me too Five all around, man. Yeah F's all around.. He's not gonna ruin you summer? No, here's a like one you probably could do worse and you certainly mightight have some fun But man, you might program remind us next week, House of Aard, the vampire of stack deep dive. alsoso the Dark Kight Rises with Eric Voss. Eric Voss is on this bitch. That's crazy. shhout to Big Boss Voss. P producers our ladies and nerres, Devor Broady Jony Dinneron, Jony the Vault Dinneron, don't talk about shit on social Has toag Joi the Sweeden demon I don't know if you was beating a demon unless there was something going on the tunnel And addditional production are going around now? S I take us out We're going through the tunnel of love Spielberg still rocks And all this summer, the Midnight boys are busting on the block Oh E' speak up, you like, hey, they was killing a home girl from obsession to the art director. Wh one You didn't see that? O our director that got paid like two grand. Noirect It was like seven grand and everyverybody's like, you should just shut up did not. And then it came out like yesterday like we're paying all the creative bonus about to get. Sometimes it's great way to like speak up this what I' saying about that. I think that it's glad that the good people won I do think it's glad that the good people want I will also say if I'm being honest about that justust tell everybody out there If you guys want to go work on productions and be a part of a production and then come back and shit on the production after you've been a part of it I'm telling you right now, I want you guys to see in a town this small how that works out for you. Oh, you going burn the bridge? I'm I'm not I'm not m. I'm not saying, but there's a there's a whole this is a bigger conversation we can't have right now. I'm not asking anyone to be mistreated I'm not asking anybody to do that. But I'm saying there's like a thing that happens amongst like Pople industry Younger people in the industry, where they go and they have a bad experience or something doesn't work out their way. And the first thing that they do is go run to Twitter or they go run to Instagram or they go run and they tell everybody how poor it was. That just scares the shit out of people. And it doesn't just scare the shit out of like the bad people that want to keep everybody under their thumb. It scares the shit out of people that go What happens if I'm at crafty and I say the wrong thing What happens it's just a it's a deal To be fair I think it was more so not that person had a bad experience. it was just like Damn, I got paid seven thousand dollars. I was doing five, six, seven different jobs. and like it would be nice All of the people who made the movie possible could reap some of the benefits. Now the litigation of just like, oh, should she have done it not? I'm not getting into that. I'm just like, hey, sometimes it does pay to I'm noting I'm not saying she had a bad experience. I'm not saying that she's not right. I'm saying that for a lot of these situations, they're diminishing returns to doing things in that way What going I'm not they're going black Theyre not going black It's a shit ar. Like they're not going black Balller. I mean, but like all I'm saying is this, I've said this before when we're we're talking about this. I'm glad you brought this up is I desperately rooting for the world that y'all want that everybody wants. I'm just saying you better change it quick Like you got to go fast because the reality of that situation is that there's so many you could make that movie, that movie could make no money A movie could make no money And then the money that they paid you could actually be this huge f, whatever. I'm just saying that like that's typically not been the way that it's been And if the business model changes to wherear the studios have to like in bonuses for everyone based on the performance of the film, there's going to be a downstream effect of that too. N not saying I'm against it. I actually would love it. It would be great. My last question on this though, because you're in you're in the industry way more than I am If this is where the industry is going though, where Budgets for this type of movie, genre movie horror movies are going to be in that million dollars seven hundred fifty range Does the business have to change where it's just like, o Well, if we know that like Obviously, all of these Indie movies are not gonna to do what fucking obsession did Yeah. If more of these movies get made Does that need to start being a factor of like, hey, how do all of these people behind the line? have a livable wage have a livable ways Or at least reap the benefits of like because if we're being honest, if you're making a movie for a million dollars, A lot of people are doing it for the love. It's like they are it's You're not getting paid in LA. if it's shooting in L.A or New York It's going to be minimum wage when we look at it at the end of the day How could it not be one what an interesting question. So U You know That's a that's a fundamental change and I actually would have to think about that more Because that does change things, right? We make a movie for you make a movie for a low amount of money, like you make a movie for like, don't know less than a million dollars, seven hundred fifty million dollars. The movie makes a hundred million bucks, two hundred million dollars what used to be The the return on your investment, what used to be that was that you were the art director on that movie Yeah. And that was a feather in the cap of your career And then you said, Hey, I was the art director on obsession. Yeah. like your real payment is say a long time that. Really what's happened is to conversation about a livable wage, right which is an important conversation But another another thing is just An an intense amount of struggle for the average everyday working American in a economy where inflation is outpacing wage growth and where people are having trouble making ends meet And in that economy and in that cultural situation, having someone that worked their ass off on this movie for what was it was I think she made like seven thousand dollars. Sven thousand dollars for how long of a shoot? I think the shoot was was like twenty plus days. like it might have been like a month.. It was less than a month. Right You know, seven grand for less than a month. And you come back and the movie makes like three hundred million dollars, you go, I should make I should get a bonus on that I say all of is to say that like in a different situation, she wouldn't have been thinking that way. in a different economic situation, maybe she's not thinking that way. Maybe things are less taxing. Maybe that seven thousand dollars goes further. if she lives in Los Angeles doesn't go very far at all. And that's where obsession.. Right. Especially if the industry is the way it is now as opposed to Of course. But also in a situation where we don't have a cultural understanding of like what we should be sharing and all of that stuff Because the reality is all of those decisions are made before the film is done, right So like who gets a bonus off of a movie or who gets points off of a movie or who gets all of that stuff off of a movie? All those decisions are made before. and everybody else is working on the film to plly their craft I don't really have a great answer But I do know on how that should be Besides the fact that I don't give a fuck if everybody gets a bonus. It doesn't affect me, but I will say this does and just I'll be the only nig in the room. What does kind of can prick me a little bit inside of a production, likeike I don't know there always seem to be on productions I've been on. dions I've had bigger parts on smaller parts of, there always seem to be this sort of understanding of of art. and almost secret making Um doesn't exist anymore Well I think it's because if you are the art director on obsession actually don't know That is enough to make a career. Not because that person didn't do a good job, just because it's like less movies are being created. Like it's like, yes, like you can say like, oh, I contribute to this movie, but it's like Hey, if it's not like the old days where it's like in Hollywood, it's like, oh, we have so many productions. you're hopping and hopping and hopping to the next one, which you hear a lot of these people, whether it's in lighting, whether it's in makeup or whatever is like, I can go a year. two years without booking anything. notot because I'm not trying. I've been on Oscar winning movies. It's just like kind of I understand what you're saying. And I'm really I'm choosing my words and I'm not being particularly eloquent because I don't want to make it seem like what you guys are saying is wrong. but I want you to think to somebody like I like autumn And I'm not Autumn, Ia try th through your name this. Andce you think somebody like Autum thinking about it in terms of like you continue to work out there because you did obsession. Yeah. You also have to think about your creative team The team that you're with So like if you're autumn and you find yourself in a situation, now by the way, that is an incredibly accomplished lady who shot for all kinds of people, right? Her working relationship with Ryan Kugler in this particular situation to got her to a point to where didn't get her to a point. It allowed her to take advantage of the fact that she gets to be and she gets to help Ryan and they get to a crave of Zenith on sinners together. If they work on a movie, you do a good job If you have a smart creative in that situation, we bring you back to do this to do this movie again. Instead of it a one million dollarsar movie now I'm bring on for a fifty million for dollars movie and stuff like that. Sure. And I'm not saying that the people behind obsession won't do that. And I'm not saying that that but what I'm saying is cohesion of a creative unit does get eroded. by somebody going, Hey what a terrible time I had or look how unfair this isance because That's not the last time there's going to be shit that's going to be unfair Like there's there's going to be stuff to where you're going to work on a movie and the people at the top of the movie or sometimes the people at the bottom of the movie are going to get Uh, like, a a a like they they're gonna to come out ahead of you. And the question always for me is like, You Look, if it leads to change and all of that stuff is cool, but man, that's a gamble. Do you think that that like leveraging equity now in response to not going with that gamble is going to be the thing that could possibly not like is is like creatively at a deficit with what the industry is, but do you think that that's kind of what the industry's at odds with? It's like, okay, equity now, but you're actually not betting on what you can go on further down the line Is that what you're saying No, I'm saying that What I'm saying is you can't bet on what's done especially in in an economy like this. And that's why people would have that attitude. Right. I that so I understand it. But it's also to wrap up, I think it's the thing we're talking about is like we are talking about like lightning in a bottle. Most indie movies made for like se that they don't million dollars are not are never going to be obsessioned. I'm not even talking about creatively, just what it's done. So it's like most movies that you're filming at that place People are going to walk away with no money because the movie made no money. And I'm not defending anybody in that. I'm just like, this is a special example of like, oh, we made a cultural moment who gets to share economically in that moment? Yeah. I mean, look, the people there' this this is is obviously for postgrredits, but we have the conversation between pragmatists and idealists. Idealists are almost always They're almost always correct Pragmatist though. are almost always right So and those two things are different. Ideal is almost always correct in the way that they see something But the pragmatist is always the one that's saying, hey all of you guys that think I could give you legitimately ten other if I wanted to get granular with this, I could give you examples of people that I've actually advocated for to get jobs and people go, I don't want to work with And I don't want to work with them because I can't work with them because my ability, I can't I can't promise that everything is going to go the way that they want it to go because it is a much, much bigger deal for a lot of people to have their reputation impued And that's not what's happening in this case, then it is to actually have a successful product. R. Like if you if someone puts out something and is successful, that's very meaningful. But if they get called an asshole, it affects people or if the promotion or the production or whatever gets called an asshole for a long time, they go, I would rather take somebody that's actually a little bit less talented That I don't have to worry about the first time they're displeased running to it and telling all their followers about it. I would actually coach that person up or fucking do their job, frankly, than have somebody be a part of this and then have to worry about five, six months later or in this particular case, when the narrative around the production is almost one hundred percent positive Have somebody go, look how the rest of us got treated Now I'm not saying that that's right. I'm just saying that like That's kind of how it goes. And you have to over the long term You'd have to defeat that And In this situation, they were able to And let's just keep that momentum going. It wouldn't stop me from hiring anyone. Yeah. Yeah just because you know, it is what it is. It wouldn't stop me from hiring anyone or working with anyone. But I just know that legitimatelyab being like, this person is the most talented writer that I know. Can we get n? I don't want to. It's like it's like And then you got to look at them and be like, look, what happens if it goes wrong? If it goes wrong, now I'm a dick and the whole internet hates me and whatever whatever But this, but look