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So Joey's gone at the Midnight Boyys Pot on Insta and TikTok at Ringerverse on Insta, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok. I've been monitoring the socials. And I have to say They're going well You think so? I think I think Joey's got a I think Joey's got something going. Why don't you ever tell him this to his face? I do We've beenving problems with Joey. He's been feeling himself a little bit Okay. He got the new apartment, you know, he got milk in and out. See, it's tough, Rob, because like What you want to do is you want to make sure that you continuously pour into Joy while also pushing him down. No while also pulling him back to pour into him, but you want to pull it back. Jummy got on here one day and Jummy went, Yo, man, he had the glasses on the whole nine. He was like, we're going to cover Invincible if we get to fifteen K on the Instagram. And we never talked about that. L I was like, Yeahah, yeah, cool. And then I was like Wait a minute, man. when did dad get brought up, You know what I mean So you have to make sure he's a young whipper snapper. Do you have whipper spp He's not a young whipper snapper. Joey's like thirty. He's an adult manass to me. You be treat him the black Tom Hollin. Tom Holland's twenty nine. And by the way, his entire fucking career is whipper snapper. He's played Whipper snapper and everything, and he's actually playing Whipper snapper and Odyssey And we have to see how his whipper snappering kind of works in that movie.s a lot of people work. I did hear Jimey say if he's still doing the Midnight Boys at thirty seven. He's going to have to reconsider his whole life. Allah Tom Holland. So take that for what it's worth. I'll tell you what though, got lucky for him if we would still be doing the Midnight boys. that's the wrong thing to fucking say. ye All rightway we're on YouTube Like C comment, subscribe share you can watch every Midnight Bys and House of ourur episode on YouTube dot com backslash at Ringiverse and also on Spotify.ould you say that you're more Mhm More a midnight boy or a house of our. Clearly a midnight boy. I mean, I'm asking though, because you also do the prerestige podcast with Joe, which isort sort of a house of our cousin But I feel like when I have been on House ofar, but I'm an inter. I'm a guest there. I'm an interloper. Here I'm in one of the four seats. You're one of. I am Swedetish Joey today. You are Seedish. Swed Joomey Rama Joey's been through some changes al right now. I think we should do a midnight Boy S six manan because it used to be All right, Kirm didn't die no point when like did a black movie where he just died G down in welluck. I just responded to Kerm's birthday text yesterday. Oh yeah. Yeah, my birthday was in April. Okay. Yeah. On Friday, the House of Art gives you there Fictional musical, and Lastat Yes. U So the vampire of stats coming out. guys excited I honestly genuinely didn't know it was coming out this year. Forgot about that. So This is an interesting thing. I'm keeping up with it because I love interview with a vampire. R. I don't know if they really took advantage some of the momentum that the show was having in terms of they dropped the vampire Lat because now I feel like people might be like not What I feel like they've dropped a new season like every year. But last year, I think I don't know if they came in twenty six pause. I don't know if they this twenty six. I don't know they were there in twenty five. M might have been late twenty four, mayaybe early twenty. I certainly don't think that the Iirons have pooled on the interview with the vampire IP. Obviously Leestat's the rock star of that show Looks like you man. I think if you're hot for vampires, you're always hot for vampires. Good point I don't know. don't know if that'sue. Let me tell you why I think I think it's true But I think we've been hotter Do you remember the mid two thousands vampire Renaissance? I mean, of course, Because let me I'll say something about this, we'll talk about this later. Horror is a better horse. Horror is in a better place. clarify. horror movies are in a better place right now becausecause ghosts And vampires and zombies aren't taking a bit much space I think so. Wow. So in the mid two thousands The mid two thousand tens, whatever. Horror was bad, but it was like, We were in the zombie realm We were in the remaking ofst of old prestige horror realm. Y W Twilight count? Twilight would kind of count, but then you had all of this, you had this M. The horror genre, the vampire, vampires were everywhere. zombies were everywhere R I feel like that was crowding out a lot of the new ideas and a lot of the old IP was still everywhere, which was crowding out a lot of the new ideas. That stuff Obviously not gone, right? Like Halloween just dropping the light or' been couple of years ago or whatever. it's obviously not gone, but it's less prominent than it was before which is making a lot of people take a chance on horror movies that like obsession Okay like back rooms, like stuff like that if those are Zombies and vampires, That's like Spider Man and Wolverine And right now we're in the MCU like Brooms is fucking. I would argue though that it's like we had we had Jordan Peel right? and he comes out. everybody's like, o, get out. We gonna start making movies about race and gender or whatever. And now Hollywood is like, ey, yo young white men, why don't you make your own get out like scary office build fine. time of conversation about Charles. I don't know what' going on with Charles But it doesn't matter what gets said at this point. I could be like, Hey, man, I went to Disneyland, Charles would be like, how many black people did you? Yes. They let Niggas in there now. I'm like Chuck, Chuck is Chuck is this is militant Chuckuck what radicalized you like what youumking outside? God. Now you just made it right. Now he's right. So but that's the point though. Now, what you're saying is true because I do think that Those movies becoming those psychological thriller type horror joints becoming such a big deal did kind of change like what people were doing. Blubhouse has always been on this. But I mean, if you look at what these movies are doing now It's like phenomenal. We'll get into a little bit more. We're talking about legitimate get out type blockbusters type. ye what's going on. So's incredible. I just think the fact that we're a little bit off the zombies, a little bit off the vampires maybe opens things up a little bit and we don't need another remake of fucuckin Fredy Cruit On Monday, But Mash delivers their summer game Fest roundup Uh yeah, Summer Games Fest is happening in L.A I'm getting sent over there for like two days and we're going to be checking out new games that are coming out this summer in the next year or so And we're going to come back with the great news that is happening there. What are you excited to see Steve? I'm excited to see the new Onimusha. I'm excited to see the new Wolverine game. September iss going to be absolutely insane because everybody's scared of GTA six and nobody's releasing another game in October because that's just going cannibalize the entire market You know what We have button mash for this, but why do I feel like we need a Steve Game corner this for' probably going get away. Wait, I feel like we should have we should have our own wolverreine Wolverine game. Absolutely My longo were to. We name. Get the switch. Yeah. I mean, get the the twitchitch going. Yeah I I show Kalika like some the gameplay from the Wolfverine game. It It's pretty nuts. She was fucking like disgusted Wolverine's eviscerating people in this. I show her a game. She's like, what is this? How is Kalika disgusted? herer one of her favorite TV show is daredevil? I know, but for some reason, she real iffy with the violence She could watch John Wick kill one hundred and fifty people in one scene. That's a lot of violence. But then if you put on the sopanoos, she's like, Ohh my god, this is so viol. takeake this off the screens The Wolvering game was too much for. Wolverine was running around in this game blood all over him. his suit dripping in blood guys. That's a lot They said they they I did read that they they're going to have a whole version of the game where less blood less score. Yeah, you can turn all that off for for other people, but like I'm certainly going to be playing it with it. Let it kind of the I want people to speak It's a lot. You need to see this, Robin. This that clas on his hands. What isly We're going to talk about this later with white folks I'm getting more at the he. White people love to blood in a way where I'm a little bit like,, You were concerned about us before? You know what Allright All you gota read is like, you know, Chris Cumbus come over there and they sharpen in their swords and cutting people's arms off they Theyre fucking savagage. What are you talking about?? It o. But on today's show, the Midnight boys react to a movie with swords and no blood, Masters of the universe, there will be spoilers, you guys. I will probably spoil a lot of your time in these people's times with the way I fucking over the moon about the movie. But we have to do a spoiler warning at Steve's department We're getting ready to talk about Mar of the universe. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to begin our reactions, we once again bring you the Midnight Mifest, putting you in the know. masters of the universe, the only person that can do that, Chuck Wagon, take it away All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Messesers of the Universe, directed by Travis Knight, screenplay by Christopher Butler, Aarin and Adam Nee and David Cowham. starr, Nicholas. How do you say this name? Galaxine. Galine This is why we have you, Rob. Egis Salva, Camilla Mendez, Kristen Wig, and Jared Letto. Skeltor attacks Eternia, hellen on getting the sword of power, a weapon that can turn its wielder into a god. The sorcerer sends young Prince Adam Glenn to Earth with the sword of power to keep it out of Skeltor's hands, but the boy loses the sword and is stranded. fififteen years later, Adam works in HR but dreams of returning to Eternia. When he finally finds the sword of power in a comic book shop, the race to obtain the weapon intensifies Adam's childhood friend, Tela finds him and takes the inexperienced prince back to the destroyed Eternia While running away from Scaltor and his goons, Adam finally activates the sword, transforming into He Man and possessing the power to take on his mortal foe. He Man, Master at Arms, Ke and Roboto, go on a quest to save Eternia from Scaltor's tyranny, and surprised they are successful with the power of friendship and believing in yourself. That has been your midnight manifest. Master of the universe I feel like all of us today should just do a clear out How did you enjoy this movie? So like it's like nineteen eighty five that scene. Yeah, you know And you're getting off the bus And you're like running home You're running home because There was one Fucking, uh It's soap pper that came on late It was called Santa Barbara And Santa Barbara will come on after hean And every now and again You would miss him man And you would get there just as Santa Barbara was coming on. Now you're a kid and you can tell time, you know that you've already missed him man But the reality is that you still see the credits of Santa Barbara Roll See the opening credits of it and you realize that that's the end of fun that the adults takaking things over It's their time. Why it's coming on after hean, I'm not sure. should be coming on before. I'm not sure, but why it came on after in Ban Rouge. I'm not sure about it But when I got home And I would get there and I would sit down and I would watch Hean He Man wasn't just like an afternoon cartoon for me It was something other than the Batman Superman type of stuff that I was getting in the comic book shops and stuff like that. This was different. You go byy toys. the toys were active. You didn't just watch he manan. you played He Man. You'd set battles up You would go get Ramman, you would go get these people, you'd get Castil Grace Skull, you'd get Snake Mountain. In order to get into the entire thing, you had to live it, you had to be a part of it, because there wasn't much story Okay, there wasn't much to it. It's the inverse of Star Wars where Star Wars comes out and then the toys explode. E man they made the toys at the show E to sell them. So what I'm saying is As much as I have, I'm saying this in artfully, as much as I have Uh watched him in I've also been human And that's different. I've been here man. I've I've played my own adventures. I've staged sieges on Grace Gal. We've lost some But then we've also sneak attacked snake mountain And we've won some. We've taken Evelyn hostage That's not we shouldn't have done that. Okaykay? But it was the eighties say like Giltor has had to come get it back. We've done surprised. I've done so much But I never really got a chance to be in the world. Besides the Dolph Lundgeon masterpiece in a way that I felt like saw me and rewarded me for all the time. This was our fan fiction. Yeah. L was my fan fiction. This was somebody actually taking all of the battles that I have played and making them come to life on the screen It was not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. It was actually maybe in some places incredibly messy But I had a fucking shit ton of fun in Masters in the Universe, man and It wasn't lame. My biggest The fear for the movie is that the movie will be fucking lame. I don't know what it's like. I'm sure you guys do you guys the anime shit and all that that shit to wait thirty fucking years for something to be presented to you. and not to have it be bad Bad is acceptable But to have it be lame is just a kick in your nuts. And I didn't feel like the movie was lame at all. I had a lot of fun Robert This movie's good Like I'm honestly shocked. I thought the trail like we need to talk about the marketing for this movie because it's I think in the running for one of the worst trailers of any big budget movie in the last couple of years I had a blast. L I thought this movie is really fun. I was expecting to hate it. I was expecting it to be horrible. I was expecting it to be lame It's not perfect, but like I found myself consistently coming back all throughout the movie Dungeons, Dragons Hon among Thieves. And I would say the original thor. There's some Ragnarock stuff in the sauce too, but like to me, the original thorn in terms balance that it's trying to reach for And I think it like mostly gets there in a way that Given the source material is shockingly impressive. Yeah. I remember throwing down a gauntlet earlier when we talked about Mortal Combat I about hoping that this would have more fun with itself. And I was absolutely right in knowing that when you're not afraid of the source material, when you don't want to shy away from the things that are inherently silly. Yeah about this property and actually lean in and have the most possible fun with it That's exactly where the magic sauce is. It's going to be losing some people because again, this skipped my generation. It's I don't have that connection to He Man at all. like you do, but When I hear you loving it and when I see We were at a screening where a lot of people were in the bag for Hail. Oh yeah. I think it was half a fan screening. Yeah. It was kind of electric for for some people that I was like, oh, wow, like people are really loving this. and I can't argue with the fact that It's never going to not have fun with itself. It's never going to take itself too seriously. And there are some moments that are kind of genuinely visually impressive. I thought some of the fight scenes were incredibly looking. Yeah. I'm going to have to come here with my tail tuck between my legs and say that Jared Letto might have actually been great in this. And I was wildly impressed We're have to have a long conversation about the Geralo thing. Yeah you know, it's uncomfortable conversation, but it is what it is. Chuck. U I think this is the most perfect That you can make a human movie. Like if I was a I was a fan of shit. If you were a fan I grew up on one of the remakes and then I Watched one of the like the TV shows and then went back and watched some of the original and I think that Kan is a very difficult property to transport to live action because it is so based around toys at a very eighties aesthetic. So I was sitting next to a guy who I guess I had listened show And he's like yo are you excited? And he was probably like in his forties and fifties? I'm like, Ohh yeah, I get. I'm such a loser, Dg. No. when you just man shout out to whoever that man is. No, you just't get I know, but you're just describing that. That's exactly how I felt. like I was levitating. I just but now look, I just judged him And now so I'm listening to this must happen No he was not peopleating the whole time He must have brought' like his partner, wife, somebody else's shoes like, is this the one where he is like I have the power. He's like, yes. And I was just like So I was very excited for him. So I think this is the perfect This is a perfect Heiban movie and I have to be honest, I had an existential crisis after I watched it because I loaathed it. It was just like this movie is not for me. I got two hours to sleep because I literally, it was like the homeland for me him in the screening house. It' like I hated every single part of it while also being able to take myself out of it It be like if you are a fan of Eman, this is everything you could ever want So I appreciate that. Let me say something. by the way, and this is this has to be said You know A Micha like came and went from my movie Watching experience. the one thing I will say Forirst me Chris was a Mike as I had. it did make me do something, which was go home and like watch shit Ting Maelackson shit Yes I did. I watched a shit ton of Michael Jackson shit, right? And I'm watching it all and I'm reliving all that. And this movie made me do the same thing. So I go home And I'll watch the Hane cartoons now Okay, so the cartoons are bad. Yeah. Right. Okaykay. okay. so and and I hadn't gone back to them a lot. They're back. So then I start watching Chef Bravesar and some u Thundercats and so on and so It's not The fucking Animation has grown. The storytelling in animation has evolved. Y to really being maybe this starts I don't know around a Lion King era where you give like really deep characters that you're playing on huge themes. Well they can actually emote at that point too. Right. And there's always been a difference between what you got on the screen and what you can get in a Saturday morning or afternoon cartoon, whatever. So these cartoons don't give you a shit ton to like work with in terms of the He man Lord. It's not like there's this deep overarching thematic journey that you get in Hean has like fucking sct identity. It's like this is like legitimately what kind of like of the times Having said that, I think that one thing that this movie does do well, I really actually appreciate your analysis of it, knowing that it kind of wasn't for you, but it was kind of the best version of itself it could be. What the movie does do though, is it makes a real attempt. It makes a real attempt to modernize the story, to deepen the story, to give some thematic weight to a story that maybe didn't have a ton of it other than cooperate and make friends and fight against bad people. And it tries to even Skilltore is by far the most compelling character in the entire movie. Jared Leto and I hate to You don't agree with Steve. He's the best part of. I don't I don't't the movie doesn't really work unless Skeletor works and Skeletor was the best part. He's on fire in this movie. I think it helps that we don't have to see him. Yeah. did help? Yeah. I was just like, okay, 'cause I was like oh, y'all guy, Jared Leto. and then I was like Damn, every single time Scout Roy is on screen, I start enjoying the movie and the minute he disappears I'm life. Mact Skeletor. Yeah. And once again, he committed to it though. Yeah. Skeletor is an awesome character, right? He's an awesome guy. he's evil, but he's funny. All of those eighties villains kind of were like that. Like the Decepticons a lot of points were like the best part of the Transformers and stuff, But he commits to it. He puts a performance that I think is one of the better performances of his career agree. So I think even if you look at like the story buy and the screenplay credits and how much they spent on this movie, I think it was like two hundred million dollars Do you think Amazon All of the creators were like, yo, we need to make this work And I think The things about the movie that are successful hold it back, which is like They have writers from the MCU in different corners. Like if you look at the credits, you're like, oh, these are people who know how to make IP storytelling And You can see how much the movie is like, okay, we need to start with just describing what this world is because if we do not describe it, it will make no sense. And then we're like, Oh, we're going to do the Thor thing where he goes Eth so then we can kind of like have the audience settle into some type of reality. And it's like you they wear their their inspirations on their sleeve where there's Thor, there's Guardians of the Galaxy, there's Barbie, there's Dungeons and Dragons. And I think that's maybe where the movie lost me a little bit where I was like You guys made the best version of something that is so indebted to things I like more. Yeah. So it's the thing that works about the movie, but I don't know if it ever like o vaults over the influences. It doesn't have any cohesive idea that brings all of that stuff together. And like totally the whiplash of we're just doing like slapstick comedy, we're doing meme bits, we're doing like all of these outrageous things. And then we're gonna have like hyper sentimental father daughter conversations or whatever. It's like it's a little intense in terms of the ways alcoholic's legitate struggling alcohol. I' not gonna lie. That part did work for me. Oh. I became a drunk so my daughter wouldn't see me as a failure. I'm like, holy shit, Iress El. you're like going on on this. I Sing man of seeing Igis as man of arms, man at arms At first, I was like, that doesn't work. He made it work. Yeah. like He made it work. You guys are right about the tone of the movie though, I'm not even gonna to lie. It actually made me appreciate some of the early Marvel stuff a little bit more. We talked a little bit about this after we left the film If you watch Gardens of the Galaxy, or if you watch some of these other films, they are completely committing to the tone that to the vessel that they are inside of, they're dialed in. They dialed in, the jokes work, they stay there throughout the whole movie. They weave the narrative around the movie and then they give you resolution in the end. And I think we kind of took for granted how hard that is to do Because this movie attempts to do it, but it can't do it. This movie wants to be the first stor and it also wants to be Thor Ragnaright And I'm just getting outpotted today like I think that was where I was like because I like the Ragnar rock parts of the movie and I also likek theor Antman parts of the movie. But sometimes I was like, oh, the whiplash of going from me Yeah But then it would be like Skeletor would walk in and one of the funniest parts of the movie is like it starts getting like trippy and meta and Skeletor is like in the office. That I justitim we talked about that That's a legitimately brilliant scene. It is. It really is because you can see that it's it's like when again, in Thora Ragnock when Loki was messing with U o, somebody else somebody else's mind. he was going through oh, Valkyrie. He was fucking with Valkyrie's mind and he was like sending her back to those flashbacks of Wartime and all this stuff. and like he's inside of that vision And Skelesor is just like working out in the gym with like his sweats and muscle shirt on. and then he's held in the coffee with like a bow tie on in the office. I'm like, this is Brilliant but also a pretty good way of like having the villain set up these stakes for a hero that has kind of just been sidelined a little bit. And you struck me about like the tone that we had like it's book ended by like different types of thor movies. In the middle, it tries to be Barbie. Yeah with that amount of sentiment and like it's We have Ken clearly with He Man who Adam himself is like kind of being played as this kind of like It's supposed to be like a bit of a dullred character, but also like he's very socially repressed and doesn't really know how to operate in the world because he only has matured Nothing past ten years old And it made me a little sad, but also there's this way of like comombating toxic masculinity and like identifying what like strength can look like in many different ways And as muddied as it can be Getting to the end of all of that, I kind of wish that it did a little bit more to land those sentimental parts. But again, it still came across the finish line. It is kind of trading one for the other. and I think Charles you're absolutely, is what holds the movie back and also the reason it works. It's like in those moments, when it is swing for sentiment I think it's pretty sentimental. and when it's swing for comedy, it is a volume game, but like it can be pretty funny When you step back after all of it, it's like, okay, I don't know how I feel about the whole item of this of what this movie is presenting, but in the moment, I just had a great time. Right. Every time it feels like it's getting a little bit too much into itself to where it's gonna lose you, something genuinely funny happens. or something genuinely cool happens. Like when Battlecat comes at the end of the movie, I was just like, oh, wait, whereere was Battlecat And then I was like, Oh shit, he's he's back with the home he's. It's genuinely cool. And then they called him a fucking pussy Yeah. the movie did do that a couple of times where it's like you feel like the movie commits to early on. That's where you could tell there was a rewriting there.. The movie early on it's like it's this is a kid, this movie is going to be a movie that like is for more for kids or whatever like that. It's going to be a softer touch. And then they put some jokes in there and you're like, oh shit. Yeah. L there's a joke about fisting Yeah was giing head it was funny the first times the jokes you they're trying to like the guys who fucking watch this they're almost fucking fifty years old. like Van, like we gott to give him something that they can laugh at That was an interesting scene that I wanted to bring up to you guys where I feel like this is pretty indicative of what the movie was trying to do So Adam is on a date. And so spoiler alert, all of the backstory we get about Eternia, we actually get it from the fact that Adam is on a date with a girl and he's very earnestly telling this girl that his entire life history, and it's true, but it's very fantastical It's actually a good way to get us from where we have to start with Eternia to where we have to get with Adam's character. He Giv us all that backstory. He's telling the date this. It's actually brillant wriding to set him up. That girl is beautiful And the fact that she is so beautiful is to me, a very direct filmmaking choice Adam You cannot look at Adam as Adam And not see that he's gorgeous. Yeah.. And this is the bit in the in the cartoon too, like Adam is fucking jacked.am they couldn't like animate pretid that he isn't jacked until he gets the power makes more Jack. Yeah they but they can't pretend like this guy is gonna be somebody that that people are not going swipe right on. That right Yeah That joke in the comic book door when he's trying to get the sword and it ends on the punch. L like I guess your number. I was like, that's a j. That's a good j good j likeike are you like are you single because they can't pretend like he doesn't look like that. So What they actually do is through characterization try to make him infantile and lame and hung up on this past that nobody believes but is actually true because he's actually chasing a destiny that's for real. Only problem is that he doesn't really know how to access it and he's the only one that believes in it. Which makes him an outcast no matter where he goes. He's an outcast on Earth and he's an outcast on Eternia. That's the part of the movie that like carries the character through the end of it That's the part of it that works the best. L to me. just him as a nerd, as a laper, as one of us that believes he can do all of this stuff and doesn't know how to do it. That's the part of the movie that kind of cares itself. I promise I'm not going to like try to poke holes in this movie, but that only The more I think about it, that that was the only thing that really bumped on me. I'm like Who raised him From ten years old. I think I was wondering. He was in a system. There's a hse I do think that if there was a version of the movie where we got that. I think there probably was. There's probably a version where we're like hours on Earth. you know? Well guess what guess what? hisis actual mom is barely in this movie anyway. And when his own father dies and he's just reunited with his mother, it's kind of not the parents stuff. It doesn't work at all.. Okay, it kind of works with the dad. The dad dying scene. And let's be real. after Adam straight up kills his dad on accident. He does his f killed his own dad. He was't fucking care. No what the guy was a fucking dickid. He was' like to me, the reason why that stuff didn't work for me, obbviously, you know, Van's always going to get like missed the eye when the father dies on the screen. But like when when the reason why that stuff work because we didn't spend enough time with his father Yeah R actually giving a shit about Adam to his dad, just there wasn't enough there. Well, the reason it doesn't work is the same reason Skeletor does, which is Adam gets to attorney and he's like Oh my Godd, what happened to this place? How could Skeletor do this? And he was like fucking evil. a skull for a face. Like we don't need to pretend this is anything other than it is and we can just move on. And I feel like the parents that maybe they dwell a little bit too much, especially with the dad. I also have to say Shout out to the filmmakers where Even if I did not like the movie There were so many parts where I could just admire the craft where I was like, oh, the fight scenes in this are very well shot and very well considered. And I'm like I'll be honest Some of the fight scenes in this have been better than a lot of the shit we've been getting from Marvel. You absly that they were very locked in on like. How do we make these fights believable? How do we make He Man look cool? And it's like, oh shit this is This is pretty How do we make them unique to the people who are participating in them? It's like, okay, we got this guy's covered in spikes. What do we do? What if another bad guy gets stabbed onto his back and we can just do like a physical combination the ceiling and get him stuck Yeah Or a trarapjaw who's just like, I mean, honestly, one of the lamest character designs in the history of animation like looks like they got extra parts at the factory and like, okay, let's just put this guy together But he has this arm that can transform. It's like what if you could literally get the physical upper hand by like rem mechanizing your body to get leverage. It's like, okay, this is actually kind of cool what they're doing here. The trapjaw man in arrms fight that comes very early in the movie is actually a very meaningful and awesome fight. It's also it's an awesome fight just from the choreography. I was blown away by how good the fights were. Yeah. every single battle scene is phenomenal. Well, we should say hand to hand. I think every time they spaceship Not great. Absolutely not. I will say the CGI when it would get to like they were basically flying the the ships that they do in Wakanda. I was like all right, we get a little too Yeah. And that's if my biggest note was I don't know if they leaned Heavily enough into the more like grounded Lord of the reigns because when they're just like walking around and fighting each other, those were the moments I love. And I think because the TV show and the toys're trying to sell you barbarians. They're not kind of aliens, but there's also orcs and there's also spaceships They're trying to honor all of that And the more sci fi stuff was I was like, it doesn't work as much. That's because that shit doesn't make any sense for real. Okay. Yeah. like when I go but it doesn't make any sense. L the Thundercats are both on a completely different planet And they got all kinds of stuff, but, you know, they're also it's also a world in the past You know what I mean? It's like if they were laser guns in in fucking the Game of Thrones, you'd be like, yo, man, fuck too much. Like you know what I'm saying?ike that These shows were all kind of like that So there is this sci fi element to Hean where it's on another planet. This planet has like different ships and all kinds of different kind of technologies and stuff like that. And that to you guys' point is when the movie kind of feels a little weird. If it would have been a little bit more sword and sandal, maybe it would have actually been a little bit less quirky as well. Yeah, but I think you need some of the quirk and some of the st up in particular, I think it does a really good job of engaging tooy, like action figure element you brought Charles, which just like based on a bunch of toys The names are ridiculous. L the names of these characters are preposterous. And this is a problem for all IP when you have to start saying these things out loud To me, like the dumbest scene in any modern superhero movie is in X Men First Class, a movie I like 's scen in that movie where all the X men are like, sit in a room, get to know each other, showing off their powers, and one of them is like Let's give ourselves code names. I'm Bansheet. I'm deceeed. like What the fuck are you talking about? This isn't how human beings behave. No one would do this. All right, but pushback pushback. if I got if we all got powers, we would be like, Hey, y'o, what are our cod would we But this we never had superpowers But. The only reason why I don't agree with you, first of all, that's hysterical. But the only reason why I don't agree with you is because they do that In topop Gun he's like, I'm Maverick. but they're literal cod napes. They're in the military. What This is the same shit. You don't think back you love you love NBA guys. You don't think NBA players is just like, damn, I. somebody told me that on the Delta Force thing, it says You know, whoo knows because the Delta force is supposed to be some like super secret thing. shout out to all the operators out there. I still watch on YouTube and whatnot. I'm not trying to get in y'all shit but it says come in here like brave Jedi or something. To me, these type of people that's doing this type of shit. Yeah, they always do that type of shit. They always come through like they give these fucking harbingers of death like cool sounding names like the the the reaper or the they they name the fucking helicopter that's supposed to go out and kill a whole bunch of people. Apache like they, But you know what? they don't name is Jubilee. Like I know there's a different We're just talking about taste. Yes, right? Fair fair. No, but I'm saying to your point though The grander point that I feel like you were making is that They give you creative and intellectual out for how stupid these nameses are by making them a child came up a kids drawings and his names. No one has to say this stuff with a straight face. Right. We can just get through it. We can call him Fisto. we can call him Mechaneck and let's just all move on together. Right. And it also kind of does something else, which is The movie makes because what I was talking about earlier, All of the things that I had to create as a kid because you're playing with toys. L Adam had to do that He wasn't in Eternia when all of these things were happening. so he he in his head kind of builds the lore of Eternia and then realizes that lore at the end of the movie, which is kind of the same thing that a lot of the older He Man fans were doing when they were there. Like what the where you get with Adam at the end of the film where he's looking around at all of these people and he, you're real You're real, you're real and then they do the laugh. It's kind of the way we felt ' now our childhood is being relived on the screen. But does it work where it was like, I think that worked where I was getting a little frustrated is that Everybody started having the humor. and I was just like, wait no, no, no, you guys live on Aternia. Why are you pointing to like 'use that's foss man. And I was just like, no, no, you guys live here. You should know who that creature is. this is what was is his real That's George. L is dead serious. Like becausecause of like in Star Wars, they're never like when we see like a new hope is I'm like everybody is walking around because they're just like, no, this is our society. Of course I know who these aliens are. Everybody on a turnney was like, whoo the fuck is this big man Yeah Now, you guys who've done it We've talked about the movie, but we like what we know't now, we have to clear out and we have to talk about Skeletour. Now Why are we talking about this? Jer leto doesn't have like the, um highest favorability rating You know No and there are all kinds of things about Jred Leto that have been like alleged talk about double down on It's been for a while I will say Unlike some of his contemporaries of the last fifteen years, he has largely been able to avoid An responsibility whatsoever. Yeah. Any direct tainting Like, you you think of, um Franco, you have an automatic response You think of like Louis C. K, you have an automatic response. You think of somebody with Jared Little He's still been able to do like Morbius and like have fun with the Morbius stuff. He's still been able to do the traum movie and kind of be around. It hasn't. He was in the Blade Runner twenty forty nine twenty forty nine. Well also to be fair, I think a lot of these movies that he chose were in Gestation for a long time. Right. And we are kind of getting at least his vehicles. like when's n a lot of happens like we signed Jared Letto Back before all the really abhorrent shit or around and and now we're like because masters of the universe, they've been trying to make this movie yeah for a. sameame thing with the the Tron sequel. I do think though that if this movie come out or it was scheduled for release some years earlier that they move away from him Or recast him or recast him or like I mean, he wasn't heavily involved in the promotion of it still not from what I saw. But I do feel like if this movie were dropping in I don't know, twenty two or twenty three or we're a little bit closer to people still acting like they had a moral center that maybe they move away from him or they recast it. But I mean he was he was heavily in the promo for for Tron, a Disney movie that was putting him front and center of everything in that. And even with his extracurriculars aside He was kind of labeled box off as poison by most of the things that he was in for many of these years. Th the movies just weren't working. Yeah. because they weren't good. Yeah. There's this larger conversation about like predatory behavior and all that. And then there's just like, in most things he's bad. Yeah is but it was not good. Distractingly, annoyingly bad in the vast majority of his work. high points of his career And this is one of them, I think. in terms of the actual performance It is quite. You do not have to see him. and I don't even think he was I might be wrong. I don't think that was He was physically the character. I do think a lot of this is not just Jared Letto's voice acting. Whoever was on screen moving Eskeletor You did a fucking. They did a great job. Right. The challenge with the character of Skeletor is like we said before, Skeletor is both the comic relief of this, but also the sinister center evil of the entire story That is very hard to do It's very hard to do to make a compelling comedic character that is also just the worst motherfucker in the whole fucking universe. Is he that bad Actual in actuality, ye In actuality, doesnn't matter. All he kind of wants to do is like sit on a throne and fuck he man. You talkking about in the actual movie? Yeah. Yeah. He does assault a couple of women or one woman. R? So She' like, oh, I'm like I don't know if any of the writers are just like, you know what? notot only we're cast Jared Leto. Yeah. We're gonna to have assaulting these fictional women. I that's also that kind of also leads into the tooxic masculinity aspect of this that actually could have left a little bit more they like this left a little bit more on the table. in talking about that, then I actually thought it was possible because Every single time that I see this kind of like narrative conceit of Characters in this movie keep telling Adam what a man does. Yeah, or like what it means to be a man in certain aspects and there's a great amount of sentiment when it comes to mas massered arms to kind of like giving up drinking and being a bit more emotional and like letting out his feelings even in ways that are like less than productive and to see Skeletor Assault U what wass her name again? It was Eil Lin? Eil Linn. Yeah. Like several times and kind of combat Adam's idea of what makes strength and what makes these types of things Make putting that front and center in the messaging of this movie couldould have been a little dangerous especially if you didn't message that properly. And I think in the end it was okay But I think hammering that home could have been a bit more meaningful. I mean, I think the message is still like Adam wins because of his empathy, right Because of his because he's a kind person is the reason he's worthy. And Duncan even has the speech to to his daughter of like You're a better man than I am, basically. L It's a deer neutral man situation. is but also skeletore is also So uh dastardly Yeah, she's so sill. Al goes, whyy don't you face me in Skeletore goes? Beuse I don't want to. Yeah. you go. Skeletor is a character Even in the cartoons that is so honest about his cowardice. He is a chicken hawk, right? So he is going to send waves of armies at you. And then when you go, Hey Skaltot, give me my straight up fith, he's going be like nah I'm not I'm not to that. And soon as you corner him, he's going to be like, o, hey I love you. blah, blah blah. And so I think Adam having to be Guine man, which we have our society trying to reorient as being a great part of a community. You don't always have to be a leader of a community or a dominator of community, making people feel safe, respected and loved. That's a part of masculinity. Adam is that. Skeletor is so not that R. He is like the opposite of that That's kind of the thing that the movie' pulling on. and that's why you have to have a compelling skeletor Really by like the third scene of him at Skeillletour, I'm like, yo man, what the fuck is happening? Like they got that part of the movie super fucking right. And how do we talk about this I have to bring up something important and I hope that you can pull up your biracial list Be I have a question. Okay When I was sitting down to watch this movie Tela I was just like, Well, Tela is man at arrmms's daughter. And that's obviously a biracial little girl. and I'm like, okay Seeless half, black hat, white We get comeill by this. And I went to Wikipedia and I was like, okay, does she got a black mom or dad? I'm like, Ohh, she's Brazilian. That don't mean anything. We got black brothers and sisters in Brazil too. Not them. Just typed in in Google, Camilla Mendez's parents. These do not look like black people.. So I was wondering halfway through the movie, I'm like, ye, how does race work on attorneia tough I mean, for me personally, These are the types of situations that I'm always talking about. Really? But I thought that maybe she was adopted I think iconically sometimes she is. I think she yeah, she's ait Was I wrong? Was that little girl No the younger girl definitely didn't look like she had nothing to do with him. I think he I think he I think this is probably like a fucking whole Net star situation. Right. A lot of child soldiers being h turned Wow. Yeah, like a whole Net Star situation because it really't it doesn't make any sense. But she's a great actress though. No, she did great. She was one of the best ones I was just wondering. I was just like, damn. So now I have to ask you, Van, do you think That we should give our biracial queens some likeays. Tila is the captal of the Rural Guard and men in arrmss adopted do. Okay. he's ad. Okay. Yeah. So the original microcomics depicted Tela as a warrior god is rescu bykelet by rescued from Skeletor by him. Okay. I was confused the entire movie Right, right. I look like she's arazilianan. No. She I think she's adopted adopt. Do you really have a list of biracial people on there? Oh, yeah's extensive. Wow. Yeah, a list of b. Be did you Have you seen on screen when you're watching, this is because we usually only have one white man. Yeah. Have you noticed the prevalence of only biracial women on our on our movies and TV This is the thing that we need to be we need to be this is keep how track of works. Like I tell you something There's the problem with Asking Ron. Yeah is that there are certain P Would you recognize them if you saw them? Would I recognize a biracial person? Yeah I might not assume. but I'm asking so like, There are people like you watch the industry Like you see Mahala? Yeah Would you look at her and be like, there's a birrial link? I was looking at her and be like Could be not my business. Okay, there you go Write your business, that's true. That's what I appreciate. Hey, No. It's greatutely not fucking business, you know? Very much not. But at the same time I could kind of tell So so so for me, that's how the dossier begin. I might see people in different spots different like in this situation right here You know what you could have done Tila could have been black And if Tela was straight up black, the people would have lost their fucking minds. on the internet. If they had have come through, I would have loved that Coco Jones as Tela. right Why phom? As Coco Jones as every single. Because she needs to be in more stuff. Okay, Okaykay. That's what I believe. Wait can you pull up your list really, really quick for Rob just to let him know because he's on prestige TV. you should start looking out for it and bringing it up on your platform. No, it's a great point. So I'll say this You want Rob to bring up the fuck? I think I tell I told my allies to advocate for dark skinned black women to be cast in more movies now. I'll say this There have been some people around the town who have reached out about the lists. Because there was a situation. We're out of place. where someone didn't believe that the actual list was real He says you mentioned it constantly. but they don't think that the list actually Oh that the notes app isn't a m. I thought it was just a biz No, it's in there. Okay and I keep updating the list. I had to update the list after those people. rememember the list of actresses that came out that was going be maybe in Superman, Man of to Tomorrow. Remember that? Aare it was Adria Junah. And then it was Chase Infinity if you were rightbody else. It was a couple of that I didn't know. So I had to update the list, right P them on the list. Okay? So every time you see an actress's name, you Google, get the profile, makeake an assumption. Ill maybe put them on the list. Nope, this is what I'm glad you asked. I'm try to your ask about the process. And so I see someone. What is the veting process? I see someone and I go, huh neverever saw her before Where did she come from Then I go, Oh, okay, she's in that thing. Look her up Ely life on the Wikipedia like didid it tells you wh they orre not. But is this something that like only like this is a very black thing where I not only can I usually tell who's biracial, I could tell if your dad was white or your mom was white. I agree. Nine times that wait a minute. by the way, by the way all right. By the way, just to let you know People think that this is a cynical thing. No. This is not I just was noticing with all the black actresses I know in town I just noticing after a while. Yo man, there's something going on. Now, guess what? E outside of me, peopleople are starting to talk about it. People are starting to discuss this. Now I will say this. I don't want to hyper fixate on this. And so I got I'm gonna let it go for a little while because there was I did have a really good conversation with an actress that was just talking to me about the fact that maybe keeping a list of biracial people on a notes app on your phone is not the best, most healthy thing to do. We were having a very fun conversation, but the conversation didn' come down like, are you crazy? And I was like, no The list and the last thing I'll say about it The list was me actually. proving to myself that I'm not crazy Well, I will double down. I will double down on this because on the big pick. Don't they do I think they do like the thirty best actors under thirty or whatever. thirty five under thirty five. I think we should do thirty five by Rachels under thirty five. I'm fucking with it. know you know I'm saying? Be I because Hry because people are looking at me and they're they're going, Hey man, you're crazy. I'm like no, I was making sure I wasn't crazy because I was seeing shit over and over and over and over and over again. and I was just wondering Can a dark skinned sister get cast in this movie or this show? Or are you I'm watching black mirror. I'm watching all of this. I'm watching all this. And if you want to go deeper, can a dark skinned black American actress and now we really in the dirt. Now we really in the dirt You know, so I look at shows like forever, and I'm like, Bar Brock I Killing and all these people man shhout out to you. Thankks to you guys. Keep our young sisters working because we need them. We are six months from you like living in a shed, newspapers over the windows. scrawling the number twenty three on the walls. L I'm worried. I told you guys I was right. Okay. so I'll tell something, you truly a midnight boy They completely participated in a tangent that doesn't have very much this move. I try. And you did your thing. All right Um we've talked about it. We've gotten into the film. we've discussed it. I loved the movie. Last thing Ill say about the film.. Number one, Things thingsings I think they could have done better. Nber one, they could have committed to a better tone. They could have actually committed to the story of Adam, which they kind of do, but they do in this film let the hijins sometimes overrun the movie and not actually serve the movie. Hijinks in the movie are supposed to serve the movie. There are also a couple of I think action set pieces in this that are supposed to be important they arere just completely flat One of them I think Beastman attacking them in New York or Oom the city? Yeah is nothing. That's terrible. That part almost actually lost me in that part There's actually an Amazon commercial in the middle of it Amazon Do yourself a favor. We know that you're producing movies. Do not fucking do that again. An Amazon truck saves Aam. An Amazon truck saves Adam. I'm telling you guys, just listen to me I'm not trying to be holier than thou with the whole thing. don't do that again. Don't fucking remind us in the fuck if you going to do product placement, we P product placement been around for a long time. It's not going anywhere be more subtle than that No one wants to sit in a movie where they're transported to another world and then be reminded of big tech workplace conditions, all of that stuff. Nobody wants to be reminded of all of that shit why they're sitting in a movie. G't do that again That was that was too cynical and fucked up for even me. That guy really didn't want to miss his delivery time. He did not. I did it. I understand it and I'm not trying to paint Amazon as the great evil of the entire world or any of that stuff. I'm not enough of a hypocrite to do that. but I'm saying That's a mistake. Like do not fucking do that. I'm glad you bght the physical grounding of the movie, though. This is a movie partially set in Oklahoma City I could have done fifteen minutes at the HR office like talking about the sha flopping discourse talalking about disappearing in game seven. likeike what Adam In said we were taking jabs at Wol culture a little bit. Adam' been a fan of OKC or is he too is he too like in his own head about att turnia. I think he's a casual. He doesn't know Nickolaopich like that. No. they get to the semies and then they're like, Ohh wow. the team's doing really well. He's got a rally towel in his window and he thinks that's good enough and it's not Right Yeah, put you know, he's probably like and out on the whole fucking thing. He's like caught up in this we don't get enough of that to your point. We don't get enough of Adam in the workplace and all that. Some of that stuff was funny. but like the Beast Man rescue scene and all that that scene Chase the fucking chase in the forest. none of that stuff really worked for me. I also also don't know why like why is Tela there Is she following Beast Man blindly or But that was also when he activates the sword right bring that sword brings everybody the only one who gets it like she comes back and everybody's like What fuck is this man? what? He has a sword? And I'm like, you guys You don't remember it was the sword. Wn't it a plan reel The rebels don't know about the fucking power sword. By the way, if the sword is still in Oklahoma City, it's also not gonna take you fifteen years to find that bititch. Okay. If the bitch li in Oklahoma City, it'd be one thing if he had to travel to like fucking New York or Zimbabwe or wherever the fuck to get the mother fucking sword. But if the sword is still in Oklahoma City, you're gonna find the fucking sword in fifteen years. he didn't think Bg toown. I don't know what to tell you. How many How many compook stores are in OKC? Probably like what? like five notot that many. I the first thing Io let me take a dayage is likeom You find the fucking sword All right, midnight meter time. Midnight meter time. F Midnight meteter. two minutes A at the end of the fil A couple of things happen. Number one, Oraco comes out. Al almost cryed I'm sry guys. I love Oco. L like Tll to put Orco in the whole movie, I would imagine. Why isn't he in it though? He It would have been one. It might have been a bridge too far. If there is a sequel, which we're not sure that they will be. not the middle like if we're not sure that there will be, maybe you see more Orco Maybe you see more Orko, but when he came out at the end, I was like, this movie, I was ready to come here and say Masters of the universe is pussy for an uport N Oorco in this. Yep becausecause I look at Oracco. I look at Orco Characters like Oracle about that's are you committing Are you committing to the thing? You're asking me to go to Eternia But you're telling me that it's too the first master of the universe movie I loved, but they were like, Hey, we can do no Orco. We'll do Guildar. We'll put Guildar in it. He'll kind of be our Orco. They couldn't do Oco. They didn't even try it. They're not going for it This movie went, you know what? Fuck it Oro bitch B wizard, no fucking face wearing the whole thing, gave it to us. The movie committed to it and then They tried to give us a sher situation.. So they want a whole universe Guys, asking for a lot. concentrate on the now. You' right. because I don't know if we get this she based upon some of the numbers that we're seeing, but concentrate on it now. but I did appreciate them Putting Orco in the movie. I appreciate them even talking about Sheer. I appreciated the fact that they're like, there's a lore here. Better a little Oco than none, but like I think you're right, he's like the rocket of this movie. if you're gonna ask us to buy it, you have to show us the commensurate level of buy in. And I did think they kind of skimmed off. So before we get to the midnight meter then This movie is tracking right now for twenty five to thirty million. openping weekend. Budget was around two hundred million. That would make it fourth After the background' obsession in sccary movie, we don't know how that's going shake out the rest of the summer and the fall. We got Supergirl Spider Man four Clayface The town is telling themselves the story now is like, Hey, yo, it's horror. It is gettingetting these young Zoomers off YouTube Basically, you got to bring your own audience The kids love it if your' James Gun, Kevin Feigi U Dave Fali, are you looking at this being like h I mean What I would say is number one You should be encouraged by the fact that you can't get people to go to the movies Because you like a year ago or a year and a half ago That was a really There's a clear question about whether or not they would just go period. The answer is yes. Are they going for the stuff that you might be pedalling right now But having more people going to the movies is a good thing. Getting them in the habit of gettingting the habit of it. What you need to do is do two things. Number one, you need to harvest those filmmakers because those filmmakers have a point of view and a filmmaking style that clearly cuts through to an audience The question would be If masters of the universe two, is going to sound so crazy If Mas of Universe two was directed by the director of Backrooms or written by the screenwriter of that Can you take those people that are going to want money, they're going to want homes too. They have sensibilities that are more audience developed, has sensibilities that are more audience focused to this different audience and have them mailed that was the project of the MCU.. The project of the MCU was to take people who had unique POVs, kind of cram them into a machine and rip them old. That's true But or fire them one of the O fire them the That was the project of the MCU. And the project for those guys who have these legacy characters will always be How to make those characters relevant current and contemporary movie going. But I think actually when I think about this, like if you think about Cane Parsons with the backrooms, to me, the backrooms is IP. You know, it's a kid taking lore about liminal spaces, something that was on Reddit, where it's like a lot of Zoomers right now are either lacking for IP or it is not. an He Man was created in the eighties. A kid right now growing up is going to be more interested in the Zelda movie or something like right I'm just like you I think what Amazon is realizing is'm like there is a shelf life for something like a human. The only thing that you cannot litigate Before you have the movie out is cultural exploration You just don't know it until the thing expires right in front of you. You just don't know. You don't know when people have had enough of Superman, when people have had enough of Batman. You it's never going to culturally expire with you because you own the property.. You have the property and because you have the property, you think it's's viable. You never know when Bond is going to culturally expire or even if Bond is going to culturally expire, the movie has to flop. The audience has to tell you that. And that is the chance that you take whenever you make one of these films that's based on something like this. is that you came a little bit too late. Maybe this is a movie for twenty fifteen maybe this is a movie for twenty for two thousand five. You don't know this came now if this came out at the peak of the MCU I don't know if it would have been ultra successful, but I don't think we would be so not out. But I do think that it's like there's a reason something like sinners works. Sure. Because it's just like, oh, this is fresh, this is. And when I was sitting in the movie theater, I did have this feeling of I'm like Dam there's a bunch of forty fifty year olds lagh laughing at their childhood. and I am someone who like, I am old enough to know all these characters to have watchhed the Man and to feel nothing, not because it was the filmmaker's fault, but just because I'm just like, I As a twenty year old, I would have. No connection to anything happening on the screen.. becauseuse I don't Well I mean and I know Steve want to get I want. But what I was is That's a thing. We, to be honest with you Superan and Batman all those people, those are generationational, kid.pider,.id, those are generations. We might have had our time We might have we talked about earlier the remaking of Freddie Kruger and all of that stuff like that. like Scream is something that is existed across the timeline to where every single generation can say scream is mine. Hean is not. Man did not come across with they keep they kept making it, but it was at its zenith in the eighties. It's not the Ninja Turtles where I would argue even with the turtles though Even with the turtles, the turtles keep testing it out And you have to ask yourself whether or not the return, the juice is worth the squeeze all the time The turtles are something that might have a cultural expiration date. I'm not sure if they do. The question the question always is going to be, can you freshen this up? Can you make it new or it is truly the last thing I'll say is the property itself Um It's so amazing that all you have to do is dust it off and then you can recreate nineteen eighty five Barbie where I think Barb Barbie Barie is an example where it's like a Barbie movie feels dumb until Greta Gerwood does it. But also what's the fucking thing though? But Barbie never left and he man did. That's true.. But that's the thing we don't know. You talked about sinners. Would sinners have been wouldould he man have been different if Couga would have directed. if Michael B Jordan was he manan, that would be fucking crazy. know what I'm saying? Mael wa,ait Michael B. Jordan as he man wouldould have been us. wouldould be would hysteric. Yeah I you actually would have worked. Yeah. Like Niga man, I'm just joing. Steve, gohe. No, you wrote, Steve. It was slightly to your point a little bit ago, but like to the point of the machine because That's the MCU and to this to Amazon's point, throwing it a bunch of money to get little returns back And then the machine of the IP of, say, the backrooms and then now obsession Dominating in the box office, all of these buys are much more smaller. much higher rewards The idea of like taking these people that are going into smaller movies, making these IPs smaller can now seemingly only exist if an Amazon, if a Marvel, if anybody like that takes it to make a smaller bet on a He Man movie doesn't make sense anymore now, but it might be what it has to do in order for IP to write itself out. of a post MCU Heyday The only problem is that Backrooms in obsession. noobody cares if they fail Right for the filmmakers So like it's it's You're talking about draft pics here, right put it in the basketball terms. If you draft somebody at twenty five. and they're going to make an all NBA team. You look like a fucking genius If you draft somebody at three and they don't make an all NBA team, you look like a moron So the the The stakes from the beginning are different. Like backrooms backrooms and obsession become stories because they are successful. If the movie makes seven million dollars and it's a good movie, that's a win. Well, this is why horror has been the most bankable bet in that specific way Yeah for hically as long as modern cinema been. But I'm also very cynical about just what's happening now where I' just like I listened to all the sical what' that? But it's like I was like it was just like last year where people were like the state of horror because we had a couple flopsers like what's happening with the industry? The whole horr going let s it was crazy. No, no, no. That shit was was a fuck that that movie is a motherfucker. No, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is Car was dead last year because a couple things flopped and now because the industry is very good at myth making, it is like all you need is two things to work at the same time for a trend to's two dos. That's line. And my My fear because I as a music journalist, I I watch it happen with music where I'm like it's starting to feel a little little Nzxish where it is like shit, why you got to No, but what I'm say is now the this' prride month. the lesson that they're the lesson that the movie industry is going to take isn't Hey. We should invest in a bunch of young creatorsact who are connecting with like Young people that look like them to tell interestnteresting original stories at a like at a budget that works. It is going to be let's throw a bunch of money at influencers and I'm like any single time you do that in any industry you rightite up in three four. that's more so my point. It's like don't keep spending more just to get more. Maybe spend a little bit less because you're not ris you're not betting the whole town on Mar if it's also Amazon now. Brightest. So if Amazon has decided If Amazon has decided that they are going forth with whatever masters of the universe universe they want to have, then they could do and there's really no skin off their neck. two hundred of them losing Yeah like two fifty threetys of mill a rounding error. They're not But it also the bet worked with Project How Mary. Yes. IP where they were just like rightight So it's like for Amazon, I'm just like, Hey Mess with the universe flop, but they did prove this year It's just like I think that they're going to look at all these numbers and kind of be like All right What is actually the smart IP bet? Is it something like HeyMan? or is it like, do people actually want us? have a project heail Mary, a book that's beloved. It feels like the Martian S fucking writer. I think that's the reason for optimism.' like the lesson of all this stuff to me isn't even something that's marvel specific or superhero specific, so much as like It's not the only game in town anymore. You can make a horror movie that becomes a sensation. You could make turn a beloved novel into a blockbuster movie and that can work He man like Masters Universe is not going to make a ton of money. This is not going to be a sensation of a movie. But even then, I will take a hundred of these over like ghostbusters movie that takes itself too seriously about like an ice demon. Like Yeah giveive me any day of the week. I found this refreshing. At least in contrast to some of that other slop we've been fed. Yeah, you know That kind of stuff to me never really went away The whole time they were making Dan Brown's movies into the like that stuff was always they kind of stopped. They didn I feel they did stop but the literary adaptation that they're doing now with what was the Simney Sweeney movie that did fucking bomp The housemate. The housem that stuff did go away for a couple d Give me a plain read turned into a movie like that you rival what I on To me, if you guys really investigate it, it never really it never really stopped. like you adapt books into movies. That's sure. Yeah.. But it's at the forefront of pop culture. Yeah. Right. A lot of times, that's also because those books have to those books have to be those books Books were as much a part of monoculture as anything else was. Like Niggaite, Jurassic Park, The fucking book was everywhere. books are a part of the monoc culture And now a lot of the books, particularly the fiction and stuff that people are read reading is not it's not the same way that it used to be. L now a lot of that stuff is like Fucking self help books and stuff. Al I'll say this about that The adaption of the self help book into or like the nonfiction book into the movie, those did not going as crazy as people thought that they would have and that kind of fucked it up a little bit too. There were a couple of them thereough No, Ivingerveilling deserve Billing Hell how to lose a guy in ten days. All. Some of these books tried to they tried to take non fiction books, books that weren't story related and adapted into movies. Yeah, and they didn't and they didn't really go anywuc Whats's what's today'sook 's the vice president. What's the Nga's names fucked face? Ohy Ban? Oh, Hillill L. Oh my Oh. Yeah. Like some of those they've been making those. Have you seen that movie? I have I read the book The whole movie is like JadD Vance sitting in the kitchen being like, momom, I'm trying to do my math homework to be a good student. And like literally, everyone is crashing out around him at all times. Jadie Vance is the greatest person alive. I hate to tell you guys something. What? That book is phenomenal. Oh no. mean I'm gonna give you Dunw' just gonna. Before we meet her can I be Adam HR prorofessional for one moment about the state of the movie industry? Be you opened with this about just like what it means to bring people to the cinema for different reasons. And I think like the more that it's asking a lot of an industry to have that open minded and that global look at this, but like the idea that there was only one way to make money, that there was only one thing being heavily invested in, if there's any reason to chase a back rooms, I think that's a good thing. If there's any reason to chase an idea that like, We are doing this for the sake of getting people in the habit of making this a part of their lives again versus sitting at home and watching Stranger Things season eight I think that's a net positive for all. I think at the end of the year the story will actually be it's like, you got a backrooms and you got an obsession. then a couple of months later you got an Odyssey, you have Spider Man. And then award season. it's like, I actually think that that is to your point Hollywood needs pared. You know what I'm say? That's all we need. That' the balance is returning We will go to midnight M after this we prom we promise we're friends that like talking to each other The thing that people don't understand is it always starts that way That's the way that it starts The way that it starts is someone has an idea of a story that they want to make. Now sometimes that story is broader and it's four quadrants. Sometimes that story is, hey, let's take a character like Iron Man and give Iron Man his own movie because we want to build out this universe. That's always the way it starts. The question is not how it starts. The question is once it gets going How actual ingenuity is injected into it and how that stays at the top of the conversation. Because it's not that going out and trying to get the next backrooms or obsession is a bad thing The question is The bad thing about it is when you go out and try to get the next one for the sake of it being the next one. Yeah. when it's not about the story or the vision of the director or actually what's happen when you're trying to like chasing the tail of. I think the same thing and to bring it back because you know, I could be Once again Cynical is like, I made the joke about get out But I'm like Jordan Peel's Get Out is a perfect example where it's like that is a movie that changed so much, that revives so much in horror. And then you had a bunch of people trying to either remake get out or people thowing money at like this. And I'm just like, no, get out works because to your point, O person, not one person, but Jordan Peel had a great idea and a visionary idea. You need to pay you need to find people who have their own visionary ideas And not just like ye. All right, midnighter, y'all know what it is. one to twelve, eleven, twelve reserve for game changers. We're going start with Rob I guess. I'm gonna go six out of ten. Okay, good Solid down the middle, really enjoyed my time with it. If you think about anything too hard, it will fall apart. Don't think about it too hard. go. It's a fucking nine. All right okay And it could have easily been a ten he man backac in his motherfucker he man, bitch massteres Universse Tternity, snake Mount fucking sk fucking. the only thing that they didn't do in this movie was have him take the fucking sword and point it at Cringer and turn Cringer into Battlecat. Yeah had a battlecat. a little batt cat armor on. I'm fucking with it. That was the biggest roar in the theater. way Yeah. when these sickos saw Cringer in the armor, it was like off. Fuckking battle cat, man, let's go. All right, Steve I would also say a six. like it does fall apart if I think about it more often, but U The way in which it really pulls itself together for a lot of humor, a lot of sentiment and certainly a good time, I would give it with the utmost respect to S. Charles be nice Yeah, this is the two. Okay. two one two. when it com on man.er is over.uck take. Let's get the nerd news. All right, so Tom Holland is running around the town like Pock Uh, he is Just bum b. Is he not? This gu is dropping his nuts all over Sony. GQ had a cover story about the Odyssey. They interviewed Matt Damon, Robert Padson, Tom Holland And Tom Hen said this, quote The Odysy almost saved Spider Man because you wouldn't have had Destin. He wouldn't have been ready to make the movie when we were ready to go. We wouldn't have had the six month period to develop the script with Destined to get it to a place where it is now. He went on to say after that. I was really able to lay down the law and say we are not going to come to set and figure it out. We need to know why we are making this movie beyond the fact that it's Spider Man four and Destin was super instrumental in that. But it was just really great to constantly be calling up the studio and Amy and Rachel who I love and be like, well, Chris is doing it this way This is how I think we should be doing this. All right, Van, I'm gonna give you the flor ' That's funny. This chade is hilious. You how hollows were around the satellite box Yo, I think this is u I think this is market for the movie I think this is one of the smartest things I've ever seen Tom Holland do It is very sad. Yeah. because there even is one part in the u Shout out to Zach Farren, where he basically ased him about a quote that he had said that you brought up earlier where he's like, if I'm playing Spider Man by thirty like basically I failed or whatever. and Sider Tom Allllin at one point goes, Yeah, that also might have been me, you know, trying to guess don' me scared a little bit because my deal was on the table and is Tom Holland actually a killer? Is this is he Robert Downey Junior. junior? Is he learning from He might he might he might be. I mean, to me when I saw this, I went Okay, he's in this movie that is so highly anticipated. He's in two highly anticipated movies. number one, how can you tie those audiences together? And number two, how can you do a little bit of your thing in both movies. How can you make the Spireer Man experience a little Odyssey, how can you make the Odyssey experience a little Spider Man by actually saying that just straight up going, Hey, by the way, when we are on this movie, being on a real movie made me see how these other films should actually be made. And he's not wrong. No. He's not like he's not wrong. He's like, let's just not make Spider Man four. Let's like do something with the character. And he it's also probably all like true that he saw on this film an actual POV and this is where this is there's one guy to learn that from it's Nolan, right? Right, of course. Oh, we have storyboards. We have storyboards we're doing all of this stuff. I think it was a very smart movie man. I mean, I also It says where Tom Holland is at in his career. I think when these movies are at their best is the original Deadpool when it is an actor being like I am this character now, I take it so seriously. It is Hugh Jackman really taking the reins back and being like, no, no, I'm the star. I believe in this. Let's make a good movie. Hey Marvel gets away from the fucking committee by committee filmmaking That's good. I think it is good to have actors be like, no, I want to trust the director. I want to have a good script. I want to get to set and know what the fuck we are doing. For the high minded conversation we just had about the state of the industry, a lot of it is just that like, can you show up and have an idea of what you are shooting and when and how this story ties together and not have to make it all in reshoots every time? Doesn't that feel like a weird back to basics Im like shouldn' they have Could it have not been this hard all along? Are we making this hard for No, I think that's a great observation for the MCU to work the way it did before. It had to have been that way. Yeah. I nice But Ironman would not have worked unless it was Rob and Favrero in the trailer being like, this scene isn't working. We are going to basically ad liib and get this Yeah, the question is why they didn't switch up faster there's two reasons Number one, Tom Holland can' even do that. sure on like until he I don't think that Tom Holland could have done what he's saying that he did legitimately until after the third Spiderman. Yeah Be the MCU has a way of It might not be like this anymore because they might realize that their movie stars have a little bit more power and persuasion than they think that they did. They treated those people like sort of stars on the assembly line. like you're not Chris Evans, you're Ctain America. Yeah And we can make another Captain America. Maybe they learned kid. And so now you have to kind of listen a little bit more to the man inside of the suit and he's learning different things. So all of these things are show both Tom Holland's career influx, Marvel influx and now Where that goes from here, Well the question is notable playing at thirty, He clearly will be, but will he be playing at thirty five? What would it take to make him continue playing Peter Parker Like would he have to play a high minded version of Peter Parker that could be really taken seriously by everyone? Would his career have to go in a different way for him to still play. Like how can you still challenge actors to play in these roles let's be honest, people are wondering like where this stuff can all go. Yeah. I think I would just say the irony of this is that like it follows the arc of Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr. because I think it was on civil War where Robert Downey Jr gets to have a little bit more power. And he gets to be like, well, if you guys not only want me in this Captain America movie, but beyond, you're going to have to he's the he's the guy who's like, I have power in this. And I think Tom Holland and the people around him are like Oh, none of those MCU movies really worked You're the man now. you can advocate for more money, for more power. you can tell them how you want this to go. Yeah Right. Rob what you think I mean, I think a lot of it comes down to like who has the voice of these characters? And this is where that power comes from, right? Like the machinery has failed Marvel. It is they have tried to go through the same process and just are running on fumes at this point Tom Holl has is a unique take on Spiderm Man that clearly works Sometimes it requires Tobbey to be in the movie or Andrew Garfield to be in the movie or like let's bring in the specter of Tony Stark, if not actual Tony Stark Like I think he deserves this within this role, maybe more than any I believe Tom Holland as Spideran. I don't know if I believe him as Tlemakus. I don't know if I believe him, that's like literally anything else. That's why I want it. He does this well. get your ass. Are they? No, they're not. The cherry fanatics, like come on. Oh go damnamn The Rus right on Wh violin. So Like for him, for a lot of these people, like we'll see how this works. Once again, the Spider Man like shit is off the chain right now. like everyone's talking about how good the movie is A lot of people talk about the ending Maybe they didn't like the Indian as much, but the movie is testing like Gang busters right now We'll just kind of see how far that goes. But never forget, all of these people are in these movies I know for us It seems like playing Spider Man for like thirty years and then making like three or four hundred million dollars is awesome. These people are actors. Yeah. and they want to fucking act They they they grew up taking on a bunch of different characters. They're put they're all into different characters. They want to act If ask somebody to play the same character for a long ass time, you have to give them something to do. You can't they don't like that. They make fun of that. they look at each other differently. They want to show their range and their importance and their artistry. So I think it's a high time that Marvel kind of consider that. Plus a Tom Os in his thirties like Spiderm Man's newew his power just got unlocked. It's lower back pain. That dude can't be flipping around that happened to Toby M Yeah So the Niggers started getting injured. Toby Mcaguire, Pker play ass. All right, G's got it U, that's a wrap. On Friday, the House of Art gives you their fictional Musical and Lestat Primer, fictional musical. so this is what I when it was it was a fictional movie. musical's fictional I them So there' what's give me an example of musicalion mus They're I mean music man. Are there nonfictional music? That was last question real tal Are they talking about like fictional musical? L Characters making up fake songs in like a fake rock band In in like in musical. It's like Yeahot a musical but fake rock Where's that is not a real I don't think I understand fictional musical, right? I'm not gonna Jer Jersey boys or Well most of them like Greece is a fictional musical, right? Like the sound to me Yeah. there you go. Real as anything. Which member would you be Soccer channing? Okay. Oh, wow, why not? It's very interesting. All right, onn Monday, Butt Mash delivers I'm Kiniicki. Monday of course. Butt Mash delivers their summer game fest roundup. Our producers today are Tamy Yukich Deinon Bralli,oin me dinner on socials H that Joumy neck manan. We didn't change it. I did change it Joey Nckm. Joey Nickckmame. Oh, Joey Nckmame. Joe I thought it was gonna be Rob ' Rob is Well he's not the socials though The hashtag has to go to the social person. We gotta honor Joey too, okay. He's still here with us. He's still here with us Onder way he's in over there in Sweden. An additional production from Arjuna Rama Powell Pick us out. 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