Future Spider-Verse Adaptations and Conclusion

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Ask your doctor about Tmphayia today. Call one eight hundred five two six seven seven three six to learn more. or visit trmphayiaradio. com Welcome to the Riverse. This is of course the Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. We are, Steve, the architectlean, the builduilder and Tiger of thingsings. Joy, the exxplainer Deron I'm torn. Why? I'm torn between the explainer and the algorithm. The algorithm fits Now. Explainers is is too classic. Explainer is classic, it's better And it's partly It's more him. Oh man, here, the receiving resurgent hairline. There's no Charles today. All right. What does that mean? We don't know, but we still are the midnight boys P. We'll be back right after this. Bes on socials, at the Midnight Bys Pod on Instant and TikTok, at Ringerverse on Insta, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok Jo me. I just want to get it out in front of right now. You I put nothing in black and white on social. It's all going to come to you in true who color. Lets see True who true h true trrue h. I can speak. doct True who. I use my words. but no Thank you guys for contining to follow. You know, we had the Mando and Grogu coverage for you last week that went nuts. And then we're gonna have Masters in Universe stuff for you next week. Mas of universe You're excited. You are without a doubt. You came in, you saw the first reviews of the movie and you're like, guysys, It's can't wait. I locked in. So my therapist tells me that I can no longer say I told you so Interesting. whyy did they say that? Because my therapist said that The next Evolution of me is getting rid of the need to be right and engaging in conversation. that's a big question. Would you rather be happy or would you rather be right? Well, for me, it's a question of Not necessarily even being happy. It's like part of the reason why or being right, partart of the reason why I am so curious is the need to be informed and it need to be informed. Does it come from the need to have mastery or the need to be right in any given situation. And so if I can release that, my therapist says, that'll be a good thing. That's so interesting because I don' I would much rather be happy However, when someone is wrong and I know they're wrong and I know I'm right, there's just some righteous indignation that comes out of me that I definitely need to work on. whereere it's likeah years though. Still though. it's still a problem. still something I'm seeing pick your battles industries over here in that It doesn't matter what happens with H Man. No, it doesn't matter. What it matters is if I enjoy H Man. But the reviews coming back look like they hit the right the right rhythm on the entire deal. Hell yeah, which would be would just be Please. insane in terms of the general landscape of movie going right now. if that movie were to go crazy. It's still not tracking crazy I mean, I can't I mean, think about like this is an IP that's longer the tooth. You know how many kids are like, I'm go watch he manan about watch. Yeah Wellill the streets move for Hean? We don't know. They're saying it could be a dungeons and Dragon situation. That's I love that Bring back Jonathan. Now if they had put Sheira in the movie, you know, it would' have done three billion dollars. No Thundercats crossrossover. Well on YouTube Like, comment, subscribe, share. You can watch every Midnight Boys and House of our episode on YouTube. com backslash at Ringaverse and also on Spotify programming rememinders Okay This week, House of A will be revising revisiting, shall I say? revisiting it they could revise it A lot of people revise it. I was talking to Joe in the studio today, man. You gott to let ten it happen to you, man. You got to let the you got to let the time flow through you, brother. Don't think about it too hard Interesting. Don't think about it too hard. Just watch the tenant for what it is special. The bully gets the bullies gets the bullet, the bully comes back into the thing.s like tenant. Inverted.'t you don't Noolan's high on his own supply They were reisiting it and not revising it. We' see if they revising it As well as doing a Spider in the War deep dive on Friday, Bud Nash We return to talk about Der zero seven first light now I saw And the tweet was basically saying at zo zero seven first lightight. It' one of the greatest review games of of all time or something like that. People are going crazy over it. People really like this game. Yeah, I've been playing it for the past few days and it's really, really good. it's a lot like the game that I love Hitman A lot like uncharted If you love James Bond, they do the thing that we love, Joy. they do they do James Bond Academy the fresh young recruits and the fresh young double say in Charter, Which in Chartter do you mean? I mean the good ones, two and three. So this so this Nicka James Bond is in this game. Yes. And what is he doing in here? He's like twenty six. He's a fresh new MI six recruit and he's earning his number in this adventure ning his number. Do they have mult multiplayer on here? No, they did not. This is a single player adventure. You thought it was like older it's not like I'm not trying to play this.'m I'm not trying to my job you can just throw the hat at. I'm not trying to play this. man come on. Well you used to be busy playing the show first That's true.'re. can't play z zer seven. I'm too busy playing Leo batm That's fair L funny The guy who played Dexter is playing James one? no Ped this guy you play Dexter? Yeah, young Dxter M. Oh, young Dexter isy B Dexter. So he's he's So there's no so there's no There's no. You noct show for this? No I'm saying is that there's no Multiplayer. now. No, they got to everythings multiplayer. This is a hotly contested. This was a big problem in the previous console generation where they just added multiplayer to everything. Uncharted. didn't need it. Yeah. Uncharted have multip playay. it did have multiplayer. That doesn't make any sense though, becausecauseuse that's an adventure game. Yeah.most of the walking D dead. was it c co. Lastos had good multiplayer. Itesn't make any sense either. It doesn't Be like that's these are these are adventure g. This is a game. He got a gun. How many how much does he use the gun in this? He's got the gun on him. It's like a fifty fifty split of you like being a spy and walking around like infiltrating parties and like Using your gadgets and hacking cameras and stuff like thatsosed then you're shoot your gun It' supposed to be some stuff? Yeah, I'm gonna be bad. So like So this is more like middle in. A little bit. It's a mix of both because there's like sections where you're like infiltrating a high society party and you got to like hack somebody's cell phone and ent tail them and stuff like that. And then it's like, oh my Godd, we got into a bad situation, licensed to kill blam, blam, bl. So this is not then Daniel Craig's bond because he wasn't on that type of sh. No know, this is a brand It's a brand new. No I'm saying?'s like just as a bond approximation He wasn't on that type of time. He was shooting you in your goddamn face on some type of shit. Yeah D. So this is like Cig was angry before where because Bonds before was more that was into spy shit. Yeah. Daniel Craig was like, man, let's fucking get it popping shot shit. Yeah pop you in your shit. drive a car, crash your car into your bitch ass, like kick you your shit Kicking nuts. What's your favorite Craig Ball movie? I don't really care. Casino Royale is good. Like I never really connect with him as James Vonn as much. Really?. I guess we I mean because he's my first bond. so like obviously That's your first bomnd? Yeah. The first bnd that you cared about. he's not your first bom. Well, maybe is. It was the first bom ever It was ara the first bomb I watched I wasn't watching you were a baby. Yeah, it wasn't a baby child. Right. Everybody was the bond you know is a more aggressive bond Yeah. That's cool. Yeah he was coolest Bond By that point I will say this about me as a Bond watcher I've been through many bonds. Yeah Really, I've been through all the bom. Are you a Dalton truthher like me? Okay Like, it's not bad But like I've been through all the bonds because Id go back and watch a lot of Bnd because I was By the way, this boond is coming out when I'm like twenty four, twenty five. So I had enough time. This bond iss coming out when you're like you're like eleven. I what Casina Roy I was like what zero five? Yeah. And Conos Sollace is zero eight, rightight? And then Skyfalls twenty. We didn't have enough time to dig into all the bond It's not so l It' so later. M It's very ridiculous. Seaan Connery and then, you know, you have Timothy Daldon then you have Roger Moore. you have all the bonds Chris Brasen all the bonds. And So by the time we get to this, I'm like guys another guy's bond and doing some different shit. wasn't that big of a deal to me. But then when I watch him, it's kind of an angry bond Yeah. didn't smile Like, you know, he wasn't like it was different. I know Craig, that's what he does And know, he was also a tough bond for you to He wasn't very charming I see what you mean. Yeah he's more like gristled Yeah And them with Charming. sometometimes, Bon is kind of a dick, right? It's an asshole kind. But like I know, man, like Pierce and u Piers Bosnan and Sean Hunter Sean Connery. Sean Conor specifically Thats sllick Tks is crazy but he was also like Highly problematic. Yeah Highly misogynist. Highly problem That Bond. That's very, but that's like that that is Bond and like baked in the DNA, especially like Bond. No, no, no. it like I'm I'm not saying that in in the in our world right now, we can't like we cant have a wolf that from the thing, but if you going back, youre watching seventies, eighties Bond. Yeah, there is going to be a little you know, it's not ideal. What you going remove? How you going make Bond into I know make Bond Bond How how do you how youbeke Bond? Tell me. I want to want I want you to take Rke Bond Pke Bond. Yeah. So let's set the scenario, right? Is that a casino He was wks to a woman. starts with the land acknowledge. You know what I'm saying? That's super woke bon. That's like Yeah, it's woke SS plus. I'm just talking about regular s what A land acknowledgement was that That's like this is not our land. This is the land of the Native Americans. Bong going say that? That's what he said. I don't Walks into theo with a land acknowledgement. He's got a pen that has his u his his pronouns. Yeah him You know, watch it to a person doesn't know if they're man a woman he acts their pronouns first. Ecuse me. of your pronouns.. And then they're like the name's Bond, He him. That's it. I'm I'm a woman. Oh, lovely U Would you like a drink? No, sir, excuse me, I'm waiting for My husband to come back. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to take up your any more of your time. You have a great day, miss Doesn't get any spy work done because remember, I want to say it was Spectre. He's like, he banged that woman who he killed her husband. Wokema would never do that. Wokemaon would be like, listen W and work and personal life, I have not only should I separate her, but also it is inappropriate for me to have sex as this woman, not only because I killed her husband, but also she is grieving. And that's not the right thing to do. So I will separate myself this interaction. Do you know why won't bomb won't work Why Be' not because it's not because of all of the stuff that Ch' saying. Right It's not. It's because Wo Bon is not going to make it through the academy. Like Wo Bon is not going do Woke Bon, they're going to ask Woke Bn to go out and go on a mission and he's going to be like, look I've been doing this for six hours. There's been no lunch. There's been My manager isn't checking in on it. Yeah. I'm not getting any type of support. I'm out here by myself getting paid enough. I'm not getting paid enough. L notothing's happening. benefit like what's going on? This is this feels like an unpaid internship here at MI six All of this stuff is bullshit and Wo Bgh is going to get kicked right the fuck out of the academy. And then they' going to put some young scrapper in there like the kingsman like they they going put that guy in there I he going go be Wble L. Yeah. W Wo Bn can't happen. Baonn got to be toxic Bar just has got tox, but like how tox little flavor a little sp.. This is the deal. think that I have a hot tape, okay. It's not hot takeake. I hate when people say I have a hot take. I have an idea. This is my idea Rather than define good What we should be defining is toxic Okaym, lock me in What is good or woke or whatever It's just like very very amorphous, who knows? We should be putting levels on what toxic can be, what we won't stand for. Right. So we should be putting levels on toxic. For example Bond has the woman eyes. That's what you got to do it. right. Okay.. He's got he's got the woman eyes got. But the level is that The old Bnd Kind of at point seemed like he wasn't giving you no choice. rightight. Exactly. I'm saying Like that. The old bnd kinda was on some bitch makeake M a sandwich time. We can't be on that type of time. No. So we should set levels for toxic And not even aspirations to better because we could say, hey, that's too toxy. can be toxic, but this is the toxic levels that we will accept. Right. That's kind of the thing. because Bond gott to be toxic because Bond eventually has to kill. Right. He has to kill some got a license got to kill for the goverment. Hes also in the CIA, which means in the Engl CII six MI six, whatever the English CI is, that means Bond has to go and destabilize governments, overthrow leaders, do all that type of shit. Like Bond's got to do. So it's like not he's never gonna to be a nice guy can't be in that line.re right? We just can't have him Like, we can't have a woman trying to slap Bond Bond catching her hand pushing it down and taking the sh No That's a bridge too, That's a bridge too far. Okay should think about this.. We should think about what we will accept from Bond and whatont we what we won't accept. Dos and don'ts Dos and don'ts for Bond Double second. But this nigga here firstirst Light, this niga not gonna make. the last thing that I could say about first lightight, I forgot the stunt casted villain in this b ny Kravitits He's in the game? Yes. He's like a S king in like a Madrepor situation. Remember when they when they cast Kevis Bace and he black ups? That's true They did do that It was basically doing a Frank Underwood impression. Where is What path was I on when We were talking about James Bond and somebody said that James Bond is cool because we don't get that much James Bond.om Well holy say that That might that m be Swn I think was shock. It wasn't shot. Bond's cool because we't get that much boond anymore Someone was saying That Bond is cool. I think it was Rob I think Rob said it. I think Rob said it.. Amazon bought this And now you Gbond every B light, Dawn's early light, last light, Dusk, all of that. Okay. 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It was It was and also Perfectly casted. Yes, perfectly casted. perfectly casted. The questions around this show ennergy of that character carry over to his own series and then Buts something that is so funny and timely in animation makeake the jump to live action the same type of energy and the same type of feel. We're going to be answering those questions and we're going to be spoiling a lot of shit. That's why we need to spoil the warning We're getting ready to talk about Texas see that the spiders is busy. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming All right We have to start our reactions and to do that, I'm going to stase And then Joy is going to raise you. The midnight manifest, talking about all the need to know Jomeie please Allright, the premiere episode of Spider Noir is called Step Into My Office, directed by Harry Badbeer and written by showrunner, Orren Uzel We start off with Ben Reilly swinging through nineteen thirtty' New York City talking about how he used to be the spider until his girlfriend was murdered Five years later. Ben is chasing a man for a job and it turns out he can cover himself in fire. That's weird. I know the PI shoots him, but Ben isn't convinced that this is open. Meanwhile, another man comes in saying his wife is cheating on him. Needing the money, he takes the job only to find out that that woman is with the mayor. The guy on fire, he tried to burn down gangster Silvermane's house, and the other PI that was also hired to find him was caught and told Silvermane the truth that he killed him Ben, deciding that he doesn't want to deal with any of that nonsense, tries to sell the pics back to Cat Hardy But she doesn't bite Ben is followed by Flint Marco and as they fight, Flint starts to turn into Sand And that's your premiere episode of the of. You overperform you are trying to unseat Charles All right, all right. you like you doing tasold for a second. hold on for a second. Ohe you like No, I'm saying is like what you could have done, there are two ways. want everybody to notice.? because Zendaya showed up at her friend's wedding Did you see that? I did. Yeah, that was very nice. No, wasn't What was awoke? she got a invite. No, is the answer to the question Zendaya showed up to the F friend's wedding. You know, we should play that video so people can see. I love Zenda, by the way. I love Zendaya. Zendaya showed up to her friends wedding. And what do you think happened First of all, the people are up there getting married. Let me tell you something. Let say two things about this clip One. And this is just me being a nice person, not being a nice person, just being a real guy. It's very interesting to season Da walk into a room filled with Normal people. Yeah. This is see how she looks. She it's like, you know, every beautiful movie star the rest of the movie star, right? It's like you know, shealed in there and it was like, you know, Yeah Okay, okay. so that That happened W wow It seemed like they were up there Y like you in the mouse. Yeah. Something was going on That's where I look' d I'm saying that to say You don't do that to your friends. And what you just did by performing that competently on the Minnight manifest W you showed up to Charles's wedding? U. Zenday at him. You Z? IZend at him Jason Day of Chuck, W! ra try to do it. check out know are you listening right now?'t don't list That nigga is so far away from giving a fuck about anything that's happening on this parkcast. Are you fkingation right? Are you notking away from us? If Charles was here right now, he was his mind to be somewhere s aboutohito like we're not worried about this bro. You' saying all right dad Io the show. let's start it, Steve. Why don't you get people familiar with the noir construct. like what is what is a noir tropes? You got this in the document here. What are the tropes of a noir that this would kind of have to meet? Well, something that I was really like excited for this show to be and like kind of an anticipation that I wanted to have in the show coming in is yet wrestling with all of the cultural phenomenons and tropes that Noir stories have had. ussually it's a private detective, ussually it's Getting photos of somebody in a scandal, it's a missing girl, it's a dead wife. It's all of these things that kind of culminate into like a roundabout adventure that's wrapped up in a mystery. And I think for the first episode I Grounded by like A more subtle Nckcaage performance that I'm sure will get elevated as the season goes on All I was really enthralled by this. This is actually a really good icebreaker of a comic book noir story. I like the idea that I Ben Riley, who is a canonical star Star Wars, Canonical Spiderm Man character. in this universe is a private detective that is set off to investigate a missing person and now we are like wrapped up in a criminal scandal that involves the mayor This is a very like interesting setting for the beginning of what the story is going to be and then something that is going unravel As the time goes on. Joey, what did you like think about the fact that it's set in New York? It is offered in two different color hues, black and white and true hue color? Ay did you watch that in black and white or go go to color. And did you notice any differences So I watch it in both because I wanted to see like what the difference is or like how I would feel react watching it in true true hue and black and white. And while col like the colors pop first and foremost when Kat Hardy's on the stage and she's got the gold on and it's shining. look it looks incredible bllack and white For me, I think is the true way to watch this? And I'll tell you what Lord and Miller talked before the before the show came out and they mentioned what they wanted to do with the show. and They are inspiration was seventy percent Humphrey Bogard, thirty percent Bugs Bunny. Now, I haven't seen the Bugs Bunny portion of this yet. a little bit when he's like hanging out the edge and he's about to drop him and he's like, H'son actually scare me. That's a little bugs money. But the Humphy Bogart stuff is like this is like classic noir tropes. like, you know, we're talking like Maltese Falcon, Can Casablanca, all that stuff. Anything with a Mid Atlantic accent, you know, is firmly baked into watching it in black and And so I think ultimately the way to go if you wanted to if you want to watch it, like they intend to watch it in black and white. But either way, I thought it was great. I thought this was a really interesting episode of television in regards to because I think we should mention for the audience that he's in the movie into the Spiderverse, he's Peter B. Parker. Peter Benjman Park. This one's Ben Riley and that's like for rights and because there's obviously going to be a lot of drinking, smoking likeike they don't want Peter Parker to be sllied you know, in in in the show However Cage, fellas he's doing he's doing great. Still got it Yeah, he does. And he likes playing with genre like this in these types of films The aspects of the noir here are it's tricky for a Spider Man's story for a liive action Spidererm Man story because those stories are always based and not always based. Obviously there's mysteries, there's extramarital stuff, but there's sex, there's violence, There's all of that stuff that exists. If you're thinking about like more serious new war stories like Chinatown, which is like this really intricate crime story that really has to do with the expansion of Los Angeles, D in bllue dress, all that type of stuff, even down to like Roger Rabbit, all type ofuff Blade Runner, all of those different things. So when you're dealing with that, the tone is normally very direct and heavy because your lead character almost always has some sort of trauma that makes you believe that he would lead this sort of life That stuff doesn't really seem to fit the type of superhero stuff that we're making right now because it's little it's a little bit it's not quite as brutal as like some of the stuff that people love that subverts the superhero. But then at the same time It's got to be a little bit more serious than your regular MCU fair This Tonally is perfect. Yeah. Tonally D is perfect. There's some scenes in the pilot here that are kind of brutal. Like you see guy get his throat cut You see a dude take to the chest, you see some stuff, but at the same time, there is a lightness that Nicholas Cage is able to bring to the performance, of comedic timing that he has. and also the sort of absurdist understanding that we have of Nichicolas Cage as a performer Yeah that allows this to exist sort of in the in between of something that is a little bit more desperate. but also kind of t tu in cheek. I love Nicholas Cage as a performer because to me he's always been the type of guy that acts as if He is just about to find out that what he's doing isn't real like real life and that like, oh, I'm not actually the Spider Man that detective that I'm supposed to be. But everybody around him has that like aura of like self serious actor presence, but around Nick Cage It's this kind of like gravitational pull center of charisma that like elevates everybody else. I think the like external cast here Kind of great Everybody has their own sort of character affects, Ebody's got a little bit of like a wisecacking one liner to bring to the table It's a very sharp and well written, well rounded cast to bring it. What did you think of Lamourne in this? The host the show I was trying to think I was I was trying to think of I was trying to think of passing the ball who I was really Happy to see. Yeah We'll get to L more because I had to had I had to text him about something in the show Is is the fact that they went to the prrince again? the new g bar? No I was happy to see Lemourne, but I was really happy to see somebody that I was like super interested in seeing more of L Lf from Siners, man. Yeah. Hey, man Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah ye. It's a little chill in here. You know't want? Chilli here ye. So insteader she pissed me off and I'm never getting over her. Right. Come in here. Okaykay. You like that? No, I don't like that. but like listen, if you're gonna to kill my kid, I'm sorry I'm fighting We gotta have some better plate discipline. Don't stillget that. That's a ball outside They like they again you they want you to chase You know they want you to chase Keep the bat on your. You're going to kill my kid. All right. I'm sorry I mean, maybe they will, maybe they won't. There's nothing that you can do to stop them from doing that by allowing them to come in and kill you I mean, it' like but I have a chance. It's a chance. They could send half of the vampires in there and then go, Hey, she called us out Go save her kid. I like she there was nothing does doing nothing guarantee that chance happening or not happening? Well, I mean, the reality to me is in that entire situation It's not even about that She glitched out People people exitly so. She glitched out. She glitched out. M we don't understand it. You kill my husband, you're gonna kill my daughter. It's still it's still a bad move to make And I understand. I understand I understand it. Yeah. She glitched out Here's the deal though Also, in that situation, I would be assuming that the daughter was already gone at that point you got cut your offes.self the assumption that everybody not in the bar the bar is dead. The whole town is vampire. Right. The only thing you can do now is prot protect yourself. You know what I mean? All right.our husband fucked up, whatever. I still don't like it now She is beautiful in this, but also plays the sort of femphatale in a is not in that much in it, but she's alsoes has it. Yes. It's trope They don't even try to hide the She good. She's singing, she's doing a whole thing. Is at the club and like the slanky thing It's great. It's wonderful. It's like and also saw I saw the pilot in black and white and color. That scene in color, astounding. I tell you, man. does I personally liked it like watching the show in black and white in Color more.. I enjoyed in Cor moreore, but I think everything I read about like Phil and sorry, what Laorda Miller wanted to do was basically like make a noir show that is true to the noirs from the the early nineteen hundreds. Yeah. And so when I'm watching it, I can feel that more in black and white Beautiful in color. Yeah. And it's obviously more natural to us But I think just like the math in their head, when you're watching it in black and white, you go, this is a show that you could have you maybe could have put in nineteen thirties and people might not might not know except for like It was actually genius to shoot it in both black and white And color. Yeah Yeah, to get people 'use I didn't know Lemorene was dressing like that until I saw it in color about. Wow, ye man. You're spiffy. So you knowght to ask Lamore? I reach out to him? Where's he getting faded up like that in a depression in nineteen Bothers had Bothers had close Brothers had, but like I feel like there's a fade technology that's being used on his character. I don't know if that was aing. he's in New York, rights we go to Harle He didn't go to Harlem, but were they even given wereere you was the fade even in vogue like that at that time. I'm saying?? It's like was I mean, I know brothers had the but was the fade even going crazy like that because I'm going to be real with you. The fate itself has seen dramatic increases in technology, even in like the last fifteen to twenty years. So Lamorne could theoretically be on the bleeding edge of a hair like What he telllds me was that he goes throughout the multiverse to get his haircut. That's great. Thats That's a much better answer than going to Harlem right The first guy ofvent the fade. Yeah. So Lamore Moos plays Robbery Robertson Uh, Gene L Je L L J J Lee Leei Jun Lee plays Kat Hardy, Brndan Gleeson to Silvermane And Carol Rodriguez plays Janet. Th those are all the rest of the cast members in this show. I think everybody has incredible hold on their character. Every single person I just named out adds to every scene that they're in. every scene. Yes. There's the scene where the guy comes in and iss like, this is he looks at the picture of J Lee. like this is my wife And he looks at the picture Rich man looks at her and then the magic to his point. he looks at Karen And she goes Oh, Okaykay. There's no way I believe like and you can tell, there's no way I believe that that's actually his wife. But Like it's just like they play off each other so well, especially for like the first episode of a show, I think We are Like again, this is very early, but this is like a lot of fun. in a world that's like very dark and very dour and like bad things are happening all the time. Robby was like, bro, do you see outside Silver Main's got this place in a freaking choke hold whereas a spider Like we could like sit in there and just do that for an hour, but it's really like world that's like building and budding and I'm really excited see how it grows.Question for you was Nick Cage wrong to take a picture of that stamp guy C not That's funny That's part of donon't take a picture of him. That's part of He's in his own home. That's part of the bug's bunny stuff, man. whereere's just like it's a little That's crazy. That's like's a little fun. invade this man'sace. That's he's a private eye. All all he does is invade space. Yeah. he was a private ey. He wouldn't probably he wouldn't hide to take pictures of his mother f Yeah My father's putting stamps on his shit. He he's living his own life Yeah Minding his own business, living his own life. It's funny. Look,ist Sing himself clelearly, guys, it is twenty twenty six. We are getting surveilled all the time ict This is like the worst fucking explanation slash defense of anything that we've ever had on this show. So because everybody this should ist in Aazon thirties So so the fact that this is on Amazon, this is on a fucking I't know what I'm allg to Because this is on Amazon, right? This is on a place that knows how much toilet paper we're using. Oh yeah, it knows all kinds of different shit, right? That don't give them the right to go to look at our put them on my naked body. And that's crazy. I'm allowed to do that in my home I just unencumbered.'s it's a funny little bit.'m not I'm not mad at it not madatter In addition to the entire cast, you have the character of Ben Riley himself, which of course is play on the name of the Sarlet sppider Y Yes that You guys had to be around. You might have been Around for the Bin Rileilly discourse in the nineties. The clone. It was it was so time guys. If you guys don't know, Ben Riley was introduced as like a new Spider Man, but like a rebooted Spider Man that was a clone of Spider Man. And I don't want to tell you guys break the news but it did not fucking go well. It was like it was probably the worst like this is the dumbest thing that the that the Spider Man writers have ever done. Was it like the new for Spider Man? It's like the ending of the comic was exactly The new Coke of Spider Man. O. Joy, the fucking explainer is back. If you guys don't remember what happened with N Coke changed their fucking packag their recipe in the eighties. We all went out and got new Coke and we went, this sucks I don't know about this shit girl like like I don't think it's pack drink all new cke new c coe because packageswhere we was a text and we go to get the new. N Ben Riley was a new cooke Spider Man and Ca got Permmanently benched in a way We don't see the character anymore. It was like one of those com of book experiments that really went in the junk b the junk pile of comics history. It was dumb because to me, again, I was a kid, I didn't quite care about like the discourse around what Marvel Comics was doing, But like I thought that was like one of the coolest Spider Man costumes I'd ever seen. It's like one of the best fits like, yeah, the hoodie on. It was like the red tights and then like the power bands on his wrists. I thought it was great. It's I think it's also one of those things where in the moment People hate it. They're like, this is whack, whatever And then you just wait five to ten years. and people go, Hey man You know what was really cool Scarlet Spider Ben Riley, the clone stuff because that's where I like that's where I learned Yeah, I learned about Ben Riley and Scarlet Spider. Pe' like, man, I was underrated this and then. I was like Okay, cool. All right, I'll check this out And then you talk to people they're like, no, this was we this was whack. Nobody liked this stuff hated it I mean I wouldn't say that during the time I actually hate it the way that it went. I just think that There was a thought What we wanted and this even went on even when we got into the ultimates, you know. thought was that What we wanted was those old characters to go away and new interpretations of all of this stuff Well, I think people wanted were fresh new stories and adventures for their characters. But then we saw that there's a little bit of both Be Miles morales came along. and was after a Sort of contentious time was able to become a really beloved iteration of Spider Man. So back to the fact that this character seems to be Bin Rileilly from all of those different types of multiversal Bin Riley from the things that you guys were talking about, all that stuff but has a history is directly is interesting, directly tied to Spider Man lore, but at the same time, pretty unique. He learned great power, great responsibility, seems from his beloved deceased wife. And that led to him being a superhero and he has ceased to be a superhero, the spider because of the loss of his life, which is a blending of a lot of different aspects of the Spider Man Lord that we know. I have a question for both of you Sot a noir This episode It's like A lot of spot like what two three minutes of spotter and like give me this montage. then he swings at the end There's not aunch spotter. There's a ton of nu art. You think they did that on purpose to get put us into that universe likeike to let us know like You might see this spoter, but this is really about the newer aspect. of the show Interesting question. I think that In order for the show to work, you have to buy the Noir stuff almost more than you buy the Spider stuff. And they have to r to you the use of his powers. But they also have to remind you that you are living in the world with powered individuals. That's what I would say. And you don't want to waste Nicholas Cage honestly. L putting not to say that it's going to be all just him in a mask or him being voiced by somebody and I him just running around being the Spider Man. But like to know that you have Nicholas Cage at your disposal to kind of chew scenery with really good casts of characters as a detective in and of itself and he just so happens to be a superhero, I think that's a better way to lean into that story K knowow that you have Nicholas Cage first and then a superhero second. And for a lot of these noar classics Your lead detective is a mystery This hard boiled detective is a mystery as well. part of the goal of any of these stories is to solve the mystery of the lead Like you in, you know, who frame Roger Rabbit, if you look at the lead, you know, a toon killed his brother, right? But then we find out part of the mystery is finding out that the judge is the toon, at the same time. findinding out the mystery is mystery of the origin of this guy that this is the toune that killed his brother. Yes. So if most superheroes are fully formed, they have an origin story So we know why they're doing what they're doing, right This show kind of adds an extra dimension pulling him away from that and letting us get to L what is really making him tick? And so we don't have to watch the spider be a detective. We can watch a man be a detective that sometimes drifts into the spider. And then at some point He'll figure a shit out. He'll become the spider and maybe we find out. his wife's death was maybe a little bit of a bigger deal than what he even thought that it was Maybe we find out the mystery or that there is a mystery behind his wife's death. Who knows where we're going to go. But we have to go there with the Ben Rilly character and not with the Spider character or else you kind of subvert the whole deal It's not a Spider Man show or a series really if he's not putting the mask down and saying guys, I'm done Right. Never come it back. Also finished allergic to money. Kep staying broke, keepeeps turning down money, not paying Janet It's just like that. My funny thing is because he like ten dollars a day and I notice the depression But like Money's come come a long way. Money's come a long way. you sound on thees You sound like h Naceos. M. you're when Robery Rberintson, he's walking up the he's walking up the staircase. Hmburgers twenty five cents B you can't get a you can't get a countp for lessight six dollars. But again, another another great way to see his like kind of like slapstick humor when he puts that dime or that quarter down on the bar to pay for the drink and the bartender just like does nothing And then he just indignantly's like another one. How much do you guys think T ten dollars a day converted to in the Great Depression. And that's like nineteen thirties, nineteen twenties. Yeah, lateight. That's like I gotta say that that's gotta be like fifty to one hundred dollars. two hundred dollars. Jesus Christ It dollars ten dollars was two hundred dollars ten dollars a day during the oppression. Theyress the oppression. We're still in it me and Jo me. right oppression. Why was we sinking on that Why are we shaking on the fact that we're See this was this biggles problems right here. L look why are we shaking on? L we say like we shouldn't be shaking on that we should't solidarity, I would imagine, right? It solidarity. We have to we had to stick together. Yeah you could not proud of it. You couldly sit here and say Yeah, man, it's the oppression, whatever, be down about it. But we both know that there's a way out. Yeah we should. And if we stick together. We we could get out of there. Yeah, so dollars was two hundredars dollars was ten dollars a day was two hundred dollars a. I don't think you can get a little bit more So now there like two hundred. deand s.'s like asking old boy twenty grand. two hundred. Plus expenses. Plus expense. Oh my God That's nuts. Okay. so we have three different stories going as well. Yeah. We have the story of Silvermane who seems to be our big bad. And everything that he's got going on, burned down house, trying to figure out who' coming for him py War kind of stumbles into that story through another detective that meets his untimely end. We then have another story which is who hired us why we were hired, why the ugly gentleman hired us to find out defeinitely not his wife, defefinitely not his wife into a situation with the mayor.. What's going on there And these stories seem to be all intertwined. And then once again, we have the mystery of our lead Bin Riley and what's going on with him Will he become the spider again? Why he is out of the game? All kinds of stuff. What's also like Flint Marco to Flint Marco as well. Yeah. becausecause when they introduce him as Flintip Marco, I'm like, oh that's in the color versgin, you know, he's got the brown and the green. I'm like, oh, that's a nice little nod. And then he starts turning in the sand and I'm like Okay, they're actually it seems. Yeah, they're actually doing it You know, what does that mean? And then cat Kat Hardy comes back and is like, Lave Malone, Listen to this like what does she know about him and his san san issues like All that stuff. H his sand issues and sandy isues. I mean, that's like a nice way to put it. Flint Marco does have sand issoues. Yeah. I mean Kind of. Yeah. So, you know That's interesting. all the other Spider Man adjacent characters that are in this seem to play roles that are truth to who they are in a comic book, but also very, very unique and useful to this particular story. Yeah. I wonder if I'm just gonna Call my shot and let's see if I'm wrong. I probablyom Cat Hardits Yeah, Iullies are already what I'm saying I like Imentioned to see like Do they do the thing that they always do when you put Spider Man and Black Cat together Like I think They're probably going to have a romance, but is she going to be the person where he's like, no, you got to do the right thing. And she's like, no, actually, I'm going do the wrong thing I'm a kill, I'm a steal, I'm gonna do all this. becausecause in this universe It kind of seems like B Ben really don't really worry about all that like righteous indignation stuff like most Spider men. No. He's not like, don't kill or don't do this. Like he just let a guy get shot. He's way worward a bit. like he doesn't really care accept if it's about the case and not even really about the money. Right And so I'm interested to see like what I don't say a spider manan with no morals. I think that's far. But a spider manan that isn't like we have to we have to save every life, anybody who dies and all this, like a sppider man with looser morals than normal deals in this particular unit. Has there been animals in this studio Title episode Spot of Med War also Van. also Vanellig right now So Cat Hardy, bllack cat. Uh, Robby Robberinson, obviously a main stay from the Spider Man universe loveved that. ress some brothers in that bitch love that shit Is there racism in this newework It doesn't seem like it Yeah It doesn't seem like there's any racism. It seems like everybody's pretty much together I mean, which is what you would want in an ideal society, but We got to be real to real life, you know? So you wanted them, you wanted Robbery Robberinson to be up. mayaybe he will be Maybe he'll be is that oppressed? Maybe that's how you like it? Apparently that's how we like it. We's what we just we just shook hands on the oppression. We shake hands.. This is what's wrong with us. That's not what happened. again. I want literally said the oppression and then you adapt it. I want to reiterate It's just show solidarity That M Steve H heart' smile It like yeah, they like it it would't be like wild out of character for a show like maybe like five episodes in to just be like blatantly racist after being And that would be so crazy if in this show L it was like they it didn't be coolool. They show up somewhere and Silverme they see Silver Maye' like Yeah, so you brought your nigger with you. I'm like And everybody's like, whoa whoa. fuck is going on. Literally everybody' like, whoa even it's like, yo, bro Y chill. do bad guys my hard ar bro. fuck and you to whoa, R' like Heo, spott my phone. I didn't know he was gonna say that. It like completely derails the episode. That saw me, my pet. That's actually that's a really funny bit. It's just like The worst person It like says the ye word or whatever. and then people like, whoa I know he was murdering babies and stuff, but I didn't know like too much. some. I got too much. Silvermaine the builder. now. He posted a bomb. freeech. give you let out. Free speech. I hope they speech to sh out you in that bitch. I hope I hope they speech this shit the man look. I don't even wna You got do it because even that It's kind of like, oh youre going go to prisonons going to be going to jails, I' be. That's racist too. Let's see. We can't escape What kind of world are we li in? That's racist too. Its like yeah, we can't wait tillil you get Oh shit. Well we can't really say that ' they ye. The world's upside down, man. It's like We want you to go but then we can't admit. But then yeah, the reason why we're in mass incarceration the whole day. So if you go do something You know, we can't and then we can't we can't be woke because we can't we don't want to this how wokeam by pgins. Yeah, see, that's the problem with woke. leevel of toxicity we will not tolerate level of tox a level of toxicity. The level of toxicity is We want You would have Go to jail because but we don't want We can't say that this jail is existed. So we're replacing we don't want we can't also be like we want something too bad want some odd shit to happen because not we're not in favor of that. No. So you don't want to placate that type of It just t is tough. God forbid we high five them. God forbid is see that' we got to set a level a level of toxicity, toxicity level. with Charles his back. We'll talk about like what the level should be right case by case. So we replace misogynist bond with blatantly racist Bnd Yeah. I think nohing gott to be no No no. hold on. Wait wa, wait wait Racist bomb would be one of the worst things that ever came out of bond. wit wait Let's be very clear. I don't think is r You you think peopleable racace iss would be funny,. Rac is playling bone. R rac is would be funny James Mark. Bger perfectly picture D Frank saying that Where is James Bond came? You can't you can't like shake her system of misogyny both bad. Both bad. Both bad. We not we not say're l equivalency. They're both bad. However, it' be funny if Bond came back to being Bond just because they made the Black lady zo zero seven He was like, somewhere. He's like what? Now see what happ. I And then I like twenty twenty happens, they're like, hey, we got to So we going make the first black James Bond. She're gonna to be woman. We going fick tick all the boxes boom woke. twenty twenty four come around. Trump get elected again. like actually. B I'm back. It's not happening. not like that So Some interesting spider stuff happening. Yeah. We'll talk about a couple of scenes So the scene where he's got to go up to the top of the hotel Uh thought that he was going walk cwl M Ver funny. ery funny. He does not wall crawl. He takes takes pictures of dude with stamps on his b. But he takes he takes the fire caate. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought when he looked up he's winded. I thought Yeah, when he looked up, I thought that he was going to wall crawl And he does not use his powers in this episode Besides saving her from getting smacked up by the mayor Sivalveris. And also when he himself is about to die. It's like a last second ofort. And it's more so like you see him when he's falling off that building, you can see him thinking about it like he has to reluctantly save himself Like and I find that very interesting because like he kind of wishes it all were over in that instant And he's like, now I gotta keep going. And then he just decides to save himself. Whatever happened between him and his girl because even Robbie was like, lookook, dude streets are crazy. Like we need you right This is I'm like that part of my life is behind me. And so to your point, like it's literally a last second. thing where if he's either saving him, saving a woman from getting getting harassed by a man or to literally save his own Like he even in the fight, he didn't use no webs him to do no crazy flips or anything that we expect Spider Man to do. He was just punching ducking moving like And he's and he's had like lines like that at the bar where he like I'm paraphrasing here, but Our fatal is just like, well, what makes you sleep at night or what makes you keeps you going. And he's like, Yeah, I kind of wish that like a little bit of me kind of thinks that I could end it all Im I'm a coward. Yeah, I'm a cow And like, The idea that this is where our hero begins in this story is very interesting to me to know that he's brought not exactly low, but like in a place of stasis, emotional and like physical stasis is a very, very interesting place for us to begin. makes you wonder why he's a coward. Yeah. Obviously he wasn't always, right. Or even maybe he's just saying that to absolve himself of what he should be doing which is using his powers. Instead, he's doing something else He is, uh not using his powers at all. He's engaged into an industry where he gets to see the worst of humanity which is being a private detective. He is spending his time even PI in this situation is always ex cop, somebody, whatever, whatever that wants use whatever skills they have for some noble endeavor. But now the most selfish thing they can do is use those same skills to peek into people's lives, to be a de facto kind of toothless crime fighter. But it's always for them. and it's always reluctant but for like a high price, which is why characters in those types of noirs can be manipulated by money They can be sent on d missions for money They can be thrown off the track for money because All they care about is money. Yeah. So to go from a hero to a private investigator that's going out there and shout out to all the private investigators out there, leave you the fuck alone. But to go to that says a lot about. You getting hit up by PI'? See people following you the charount tell yall straight up. you I don't know of the stuff I know Oh you're o old. I don't know what the PIs out here do, man Y'all know about the The wiretapping of Hollywood stars has happened and all of that stuff. You guys don't know they've been sheriffs around here that have had people wiretapped and all that stuff. You don't know some of the stuff I know, man my question Los you know some things clearly Has there ever been like a sort of like has that come back around to you to be like, okay, maybe you're being tapped, mayaybe you're being followed, mayaybe you're being looked into just because of the stuff you know No because I Unpot a tail What what I'm saying? Oh, can spot a tail. Spot a tail, man. Have you been a tailed before? Yeah, I've been tailed before So you're better than the other de because when he left the when he left the office. And like I follow them all the way to u h Like twenty feet behind him the entire time. He had no idea, but but she would know. You would have spott him. No I wouldnt spott him at all. I can't spot tail at all.. I have been following that and I never saw it U wouldould you also employ street orphans like like Nicholas Cage does too give him a dime every time to. I'm so glad you brought that up. The use of I just gott to say the win The use of orphans, right in the wars I like I like A scrappy little kid a dime and just like me tellell me what happens. Dames, huh? like can go to s.. Dames, huhes huh?aity What's going on with these br? I bet you they tested him smoking a cigarette. And they said, takeake it out. He take it out. I'm like I know twelve year olds would be smoking in the thirties. L like E even Dick Tracy, remember the kid, Dick Tracy No. You never saw a Dick Try movie with the kid in Madonna? No. When do we eat You never saw that? It's a wild good. It's not it' a d Vine Dag show. Oh that's true. Yeah, But you never saw D Trade. So anyway, there's all these little kids like little newsy type kids with a hat broad. like you mo' the archetype. Yeah. So like they they had that wasn't the same kid, though right? It was two They were two different kids. Yeah. Two different kids. It's the depression. Yeah. Yeah. So's a lot of kids out there trying to like know that he's got a netwk of orphans working for him. feel like ye Yeah, I feel like he should be in schoolough You ever see that video of kids that were like disappointed at Babe Ruth? Did you see that on Twitter? Disappointed at Babe Ruth. So there were there was this group of kids. that In New York, it's like a real old school video. kids talking about how they feel about Baby Ruth when Bab Ruth was coming to the end of his career. The Yankees had just right twenty more loose to Boston like l Ruth was leaving when he was leaving the Yankees. Okay, Okay. They trained him to Boston, not the Red Sox, but I think like the Boston Braves and they were asking kids how they felt about it. And a bunch of these little punks New Yorkers. Right We're shitting on Babe Rh, a black man whereere like a bunch of these kids were shitting on baber'sack and there was a couple of them were like, it's okay if baby they p but all of them. it's all of them, all of them Looked like they were at least forty one years old. Yeah, like they've been working the docks since they were five years old. Yeah, we changed later was. Yeah, Broke. All of these kids was in the mill, but that's kind of what I see I see this. Okay, tough U So Before we get off of the episode Uh We know that there are dueling mysteries happening. We know that we have some standout characters, but I do want to talk about this before we leave Before we get off this episode, and talk a little bit more about different versions of Spyer Man. The reason to watch this show is one big reason Nicholas Cage Like Nicholas Cage over the last Ten years found himself as a performer. And let me tell you why I say over the last ten years So Nicholas Cage went to the wilderness Now the Nicholas Cage that I knew and grew up with was always this kind of daring risk taking performer that always loved an off kilter role. Yeah. I first fell in love with Nichols Cage in a movie called Raising, Arizona, which I'm sure a lot of the people that watch this podcast or listen to this podcast have seen. It's Corn Brothers movie. It's absurdest comedy. about Nicholas Cage and family and all of that stuff. But then goes into Hollywood It makes his bones as one of the most dependable performers there is, like bonafide A lister with all of the A list credentials. Leaving Las Vegas. Leaving Las Vegas, that's the Academy Award Con air that's the big action hit. The rock, another big action hit. Yeah. He comes back. he's got comedic chops. He did he he does Moonstruck Moonstruck is before them, but yeah, he does smaller films. like matchstickmen, where you could put Nicholas Cage anywhere and Nicholas Cage can shine, but he's always, always face off. Another weird role. He's always, always, always Do an off kilter weird stuff that somehow did make sense for him. You can say something? Right. but there's also There's a deep perspect that I have for him Kind of as a performer because there isn't an ironic bone in his body when it comes to any role that he does because there's also a big, big long winded like trash movie era of Nicholas Cage's career because like he notoriously had a lot of money problems because of falling out with like a manager. And so he took on like a lot of these like trashy video on demand roles that were like really not good movies at all He's been interviewed about them p and they're like, why did you like, What did you like Think about your performances. like because a lot of people would phone those performances in it's like, I took it just as seriously as every role I've ever taken. That's the point. That's it What's a lot of just c cial'sine, I like.. It's a good You guys you know, I love like the Avengers and stuff, like you know, going to the movies. I was Brother when National Treasure two is coming out That was mycial secrets because that was my MCU before broke.ight. I was losing sleep over it, bro. I I having dreams bro. But Nick, D he does movies like knowning is actually not not like a bad move. No, right? Like he doesn't first Apprentice, I remember. Like these types of films start Rider. Like Ghost Rider was the first Ghost Rider first Ghost Rider was actually a semi serious attempt to make that character viable on the big screen. The first Ghost Rider was kind of a semi serious but it's ca. Second Ghost Rider is like that like kind of bullshit. And then so but we start to get into like to se' points, all of these different movies in doing these films He actually finds what we want from Nicholas Cage as a performer. We want him to be seriously unerious to your point. And he is so good at doing that. He's also one of the only performers of his illk that is willing to do it because it is such a big risk when you do that. That's why this particular role, this particular show that is seriously un sererious is perfect for him. And in the first episode, he shines. I'm also like genuinely curious as to why We haven't like we as like the populace haven't gotten sick of that. Nicholas Cage stick because like I personally haven't at all, but you'd think that if any act, any other actor that would have been more unerious like that We wouldn't have tolerated that whacky goofiness. from anybody that took themselves seriously like they found the like we've also found Nicholas Cage at the right point in his life that we accept almost Everything that he does as Ernest Would you say the turning point is the unurbable weight of massive talent the movie do with Ber Pascca? It's one of them, but like they' in that Cornopia of Nicholas Cage performances There's several movies that like were Cool weird. actual real types of like he He was making a lot of movies that were fucking crazy, right? Yeah. Ohook adaptation. I forgot about adaptation. That's before he' still kind of his in his in his adaptation is But he's had so many like eras and so many like different hats that he right all with the same level of of earnestness. So we can go from two thousand seven Ghost Rider, next. National Treas of Book of S Ricks Bangkok Dangerous knowing G force Bad lieutenant port of called New Orleans. Great movie. Asra boy, kick ass. The source's Arentice Season of the witch, drive angry, cease seeking justice trespass ghost rider. How many years have we covered just now? Like between like this is only like two seven to twenty eleven. Okay. Then you start to get into like a thousand words stolen. can't stand you Cruds, the frozen ground, Joe, rage outcast left behind dying of the light, the runner, pay the ghost. Le behind is one of the lows there. Right, rightight because like left behind is him rebooting basically left behind series like all of that cam in time, stuff like that. Left behind is when you start to go at this point, Nicholas Cage will do pretty much anything And then you get u like, you know, this is like twenty twenty two, he's done like obviously the Spider Man joins Unbearable weight of massive talent comes out in twenty twenty two And then he follows that up couple of movies. He's in the flash. Head he's in Renfield But then a twenty twenty four long legs Pe People like long legs. No, I'm saying. Oh yeah. byy that point though, you' locked in. Yeah, by that point, we had an understanding of like what kind of ride were're on with Nicholas Cage at this particular point in his career. And now with this role, we get to a spot where all of that has manifested itself. its to him being at the perfect spot to play this and play it in a way that we really accept you know. It's been a really really interesting career from him and the type of career that you do not see from people who got who reach the heights that he got to. Yeah. like this type of longevity to state. like this is something that, for example, somebody like John Travolta hasn't been able to do. No. He hasn't been able to like even though John, you see the look now. you see the look now right know somebody like John Travolta hasn't been able to kind of do this the st Turned into the skid. Exactly. See, if you had something you wanted to get into with the Spider Man on the small screen, I think this's very interesting. Yeah, yeah, like based on All of the multiple characters that we've seen in the Spider Vverse And this new iteration of Spider Noir, I thought that we could like probably like run through like sort of the things that we would like to see on the small screen that we think that could have a good adaptation for the different Spider people because obviously Spider Man, that's not going to the small screen anytime so. That's not going to be animated animated, sure, but live action anything.. that's that's served up for the for the big time. But I liked a lot of the different iterations that Spider Man has been on, and I think that we can talk about some of the Great sort of alts. All right So made twenty ny nine, Spider Punk, Spider Man, India and Silk. Is there anybody else that we're leaving out? Stacy. I mean ye Yeah, Spider Gwen, of course Spider Gwen. we can see what about Miles himself? No Miles is big time now. Miles big timeiles. Okay I think like if you're going to make the like we're talking specifically about like live action TV shows for Spider P people. Yeah, right? because it wass animated They're using it incorporate a lot of the spot of people. And if it's for live action It is Peter Parker by himself alone. You maybe future, we might get miles. Right. But right now it's Peter Parker only And so if we want to do a live action of any of these characters from the Spotaverse where you want to look at like it's probably twoV's probably in the same vein of a spider. So my spider punk pitch, do you think Cua is signing on to this He' not doing nothing else. Oh, Daniel Culia? I think he's doing his own thing. Yeah, he's not gonna do anything on TV though. Now, you don't think so? I guess Nick would do something. He would do something elevated on television, I think. Probably. Like I think he would do something elevated on television. something that like obviously' what he would do he doing a Barney thing though? Like But like I don't know that he would do U, I don't know that he would do that. Back could be wrong I could be wrong. Like, it seems like I mean, would Oscar Isaac come back and do twenty Listen, after Moonnight, I don't know. Maybe things are on the table Maybe things are on. I' be honest with you though like with Oscar Isaac, I think the Moon Knight The Moon Knight thing changed the way I looked at him because he loves being on television I mean got me he's got all of these great HBO show. He actually likes being on television. A lot of these, let me not be so hasty with Daniel Culua becausecause I think that with The way things are right now in the industry, I think a lot of these people don't mind being in fr people that like you know because like you'd think that the A listers of the world like the Nicole Kidmans, they've been She's been on a TV run lately. We get big little big little lies three back But point different point in her career than Daniel. Right, exactly. But not in like the exact Nick c thing, but like like you could like at that point. But if anything can be prestigeed and sold, like anybody is still kind of on the table. That is true. It also depends on like what it is that we're talking to. I mean, thing, mayaybe not You can sell somebody on the prestige aspect of Spider Punk you could probably get do it. Maybe it wass like a cool Like fucking really fucked up type of deal. he was in on it might be a tough seller My favorite out of all of these guys U W Spider Man India Yeah. Yeah. I would love to see a Spider Man India show. He was really, really cool. He was so he was so fun. likeike I mean, they have obviously they have the bit with the Chaii and all that stuff but legitimately That character is so much fun. It's incredibly fun. And to think of like I sort of like Not like an history, but like an alternate world India where it's this massive utopia of super tall buildings and like infinite amounts of like urban density that he can swing around and like have a have an amazing time. I think that's the pure fun. Side, I think the the like Blade Runner esque twenty ninety nine thing, that's a bit more self serious that I think that I could probably get If not an Oscar Isaac, would probably be a bit more of like an elevated start to do I think Spider Man India is just a blank canvas of infinite possibilities. Tin not is the That's the one with the least amount of resistance to getting into it. Sure. probablyroably selling it and making it, you know, twenty ninety nine is the one where You could legitimately launch a whole fucking universe out of it if you got it right. Yeah I'm feeling like, you know altered carbon, but just like a little bit better. Yeah. Lve death and robots. Love Yeah. Okay, so that's like an animated bit And that's like more of like anthology thing, but you can make a lot of things happen with that Ill tell you something though, here's the thing about twenty ninety nine. That's an expensive show Yeah. It is an expensive show ike That's an expansive show. This show the war I'm sure it has a good budget, but it doesn't seem as expensive.. I think it's one of the most expensive TV shows they've ever Noir? Yeah really? Oh this is really not on the screen I mean, I guess everything is set its period. So I could see that. Let me tell you what's on the screen, Clearly being shot in L.A because they are not hiding the fact that this is shot in LA. So I wasn't gonna to say that because I like to show I'm being nice about it. No, yeah, no. No, it's great. But like they literally have like two LA theaters that are like well known. God The live action sppotter Nir television series on Amazon, Video and MGM plus cost nearly four hundred million doars to produce. What That can't be right. There's no way We gotta double tap that. I don't know if that's four hundred million hundred Because if so they just burned b of money. S now ' what happened was ' Maybe that's getting nick. I don't. S, ' you know how, back in the day, ten dollars is now two hundred? Right. Maybe they did it reverse. Right. And so really they only spent. So four hundred million is really just like thirty million. Yeah, that's really what it is. Gy four hundred million Man, shout out to Amazon man. Yeah,' they're really just setting mountains of money on fire. That's gott to be a rumoreor. that can't be right. F a million is nuts. I mean, look. U Yo. I can believe it and I also can't. It's I was going crazy. I would have looked at it and and saw it But we haven't gotten that deepper we only coverred the p. Sure. I would have looked at it and thought this was a show where they were able to kind of juggle the price a little bit and make it for a quarter at that maybe like yeah, hundred. It seems like a reasonably priced TV show. somethingomething like that. I knew it was expensive for four hundred m. now way. Well, here's the thing, like not for a lack of like quality storytelling, am I not wasting money? Because this is really, really fun I mean, look, it's Amazon. They got they can spin as much money as they want. Yeah This is now though If if we are to believe what we're reading right now, This is the most Exensive Spider Man project ever This costs more than any individual Spiderm Man movie is on a streamer Mh it cannot make back The one point five to to one billion dollars that the rest of these movies make. I think the most The Spider Man movies have made the least amount of money are probably those Toby Mcuire ones eight hundred fifty million That's only to scale because of the time that they were in The third one might have made the most might have come in right under a you're going get in a This is This is eight episodes for four hundred million bucks is It's a lot of this game of thrones money. Like why Like what do you think the belief in the show is? like what's surrounding that I think it's it's the belief in the Spideran IP really because That's a solid gold like like blue chip stock of a property that you could ever have. Like if you're making anything Spider Man, people will watch it. reggardless of how good it is. like People showed out for a lot of those Spider Man movies that we didn't even like Venom You got three of those They had a lot of time to make other Spid Man movies, and they're still making Bin off stuff of Spider Man and it's still making bank So the economies of streaming aside. I mean The investment is sound Also you have to consider something else, and I want to weigh people down with the business of this is that U. point Amazon or is it MGM has a deal A GM. owns. but Amazon slash MGM has a deal with Sony uce the Sider Man.re too produce Spider Man' stuff Oh on their platform that won't exist on Disney plus or anything like that. Correct. So this is them penetrating this market and hoping that they can draw people in. If that's the case, some of the characters that we just saw Those shows are going to have to be on to make this worth it. This has to be an entire world because you wouldn't invest this much money. Uh if you weren't trying to kick things off in a really grand way. So to Actually, it's just funny. what did you guys think was? the least performing live actions by the lowest performing because both of the taught bothoth of the animated ones are the lowest. Maybe ASM two Bid dean two But that made seven hundred seven hundred nine million A By sppideran. Bay spideran too. Yeah. Okay. And that's the lowest. That's the lowest. R. Amazing Spider Man, the first one U one, u one seven hundred fifty eight million Okay, Mider Main two Fter Band two Spiderm Man two Sven hundred and ninety five million. Yeah Spiderm Man won Uh eight hundred to twenty two million Spider Man H homeomecoming eight hundred seventy eight million do. Right. Spider Man three is the third highest gross Spider movie of all time, and it made nine hundred or eight hundred ninety five million dollars. And the rest of the Toby MGuiire or at theach. Far from H madeade home in that B A Billy one point one billionars No way homemade, almost made too. Right Interesting I mean, but I mean, I just tells you that with Spider Man, your return is going to be crazy.ray. with Spider Man Nar, I think this is probably a play Uh it's the first major it's one of the first major franchise releases on MGM plus. It's still relatively new stre fascinating. So it's like it's a really interesting swing I don't want to You know, we're talking about sppot of N war, but this conversation leads me into Spiderm Man coming All in July, right? july thirty first before a brand new Spider Man That movie Gotta gototta make crazy banks. If you have to guess for I had a brand new day. Yeah That's going to be aillion dollar movement. I know we did over say two billion. I know we did over under billion. It's be right It's the least amount of money, I feel like that movie could possibly make us about one point seven billion dollars. So you think that's in like the top five earners this year? Yes. I mean, I think it has to be just because like of the popularity of writer and thing Like I was going to say, do you do you think like we did over Uers beginning of the year? do you think this passes this goes past to? You say yes. No way home did one point nine one point nine. this one I don't know if it touches No. This one, you know, I don't got Toby and And Andrew and stuff I think if it has. I think it's going be close I think it's going to get I Yeah. If you said the line is like one point seven five. one point seven five is the line. but I think this movie, especially with some of the word of mouth. Okay word of mouth. someome of the earliest if the movie is as good as people are saying it's going to be, I think this movie could get to two. If it's genuinely good, like and there's no like maybe like two or three weeks later, like no way home like that actually wasn't that great. type of attitude, then yeah, probablyably. I don't even really think about it a man. The lowest live act partot in a movie is seven hundred million. guaranteed. Yeah. suc And that's the thing, the level of investment to just get a brand new thing on a network that does not have it except yours. No. I guess it makes sense that you throw thatount of money around I bet a lot of it's licensing I bet of it a lot of it is like it's a lot of which Well to bring B backx to fighter an award, which is why you probably like, if anybody we go going go to theater watch by the Man No matter what, clearly So if you're make a Spider Man TV show, you might as sort throw all the bread at it because with the box officeices taught you that people go watch Bterman regardless. The question is we can leave off on this because I am. You're not just fking going crazy. I don't what the fuck's happening. The question is, will the audiences view this as a Spider Man TV show I hope so. I mean Yes It's good I certainly hope so. I think that this is going to be something that Everybody's going to like And I think enough people should be watching because For Amazon, a post boys era, people are kind of want to clamor ono something. Like live action superhero. in a meaningful way. Yeah. L we're not going to get another season of Cape Crusader that's going to set the world on fire anytime soon. Hey we're getting my vventures of Remando. That's not Amazon. That's not Amazon though. But but again, like I think getting that on the map, that can probably move the needle for this. I think this is really great. I'm going to be watching the entire season I I don't know. I'm excited about it. I' lock in obviously. All right we're gonna to come back and give you guys more Spider Man Noir. We don't know how many I know that you guys have all the episodes We only covered the pilot Maybe we'll finish it, come back up, and we'll see what Charles thinks if he's even watching or has any clue. Chuck Lck in. Okaykay. That's enough. Miss you loveove you Ch This week House of R. will be revisiting Tennet as well as during an aspire to our deep dive on Friday, but Mash will return to talk about Dz zero seven, first Light, mayaybe we get a racist James Bobb, non racist. 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