The Ethics of Fandom Drafts

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We had ph was class picture day here class picture Honestly, yeah, honestly, yeah, everybody, we had our fit s on, you know what I'm saying I had an outfit changed, you know, I had just st on them a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But we got out there we shout out the woman who did our makeup. She revealed that she's a fire juggler. I was like, damn. A fire juggler. Yeah, I was like I didn' nice. She was lovely. I didn't get that far. We talked about musical theater. The whole time I was making c. As my lip went down, I walked into a glass door downstairs Reading on my phone. It's a great text. A you reading at that point? I was reading David O Yellow O's Apology. Okay, great. let's kick it off. Let's kick it off for Re on Nigeria show and telling us that The slave accent was a Nigerian accent. sllow down, sllowed down He said that the slave accent is a slow down Nigerian accent and then When you put It was a backlp. shot by my man, David Ooa. It was tough. It was a backlip. So I was reading it and I crashed into the thing. The guys downstairs didn't know what to say. They're like I can't imagine. What happened? Was there just his islands Yeah, one of the dudes looked he was I was like, you can go ahead and laugh I'll crash right into the shit, hit my teeth and everything. She. But now it kind of went down. The makeup lady said, takeake some Avile because Avile will help reduce swelling. I did not know that Yeah, man. Shout out shout out Abbey man. she locked We're on YouTube, Like, comment, subscribe, share You can watch every Midnight Boys and House of our episode on YouTube. com backslash at Ringiverse and also on Sot Fine Botify I guess what? I will tell you guys something now that is very special begun to use Spotify Oh yeah. We're all title on title. Wow. I don't actually even know how to work Apple music. Thats how much that's how loyal I was to title. But it was I'm still on title. Title is still my shit, but I've been listening to musical on Spotify. Spotify is a great platform for music listening. How do you like it Yeah, I like it. but what company man here? When that call came in, they like A's not what happened. Okay. Ill tell you guys this though like It is difficult using a musical algorithm that doesn't know you yet. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We got a thumbs up things. you got a thumbs down. I gotta go through a little because it's fucking, it's telling me I should listen to T don't use I don't use the algorithm. Like I'm never like they're like you should listen to this musicical. Oh I listen to they generate playlists, right? You have youraily My music tastes up more or less m. with the AI playlist. What do you think like your daily mix? It's like, for example, when they give me two chs radio Because they know I love be from two chains. And so it would be songs that have like either two chains songs? Jo you or two chains. That sure I know like like, Jo me Young you. let me tell you what title is on right now title My mix number one. This is what they have on here right now. My mix number one is the new mix for today. Right The weather, Nitssy hustle St fly three six mafia. Let them know TI. Calia is active to Dog pound, Juice, Yogoti, late nights, early mornings, Nipsy hustle. This D T fly. an amazing fucking song. I love it, JeezZ. How much Nipsy? I love I love Nipsy Really? I love nip M Love nip too me to me personally The weather That song that song, Nip's first verse on the Weather to me is a blissfully brilliant treat in what it's like overcome and get to where you are. of a song. o. When it rains it starts pouring. We made the weather change for us That ng was that's my wriscipiece of my nig.. But anyway, all of this stuff, look, I'll pay for it. Soldier slim They write into Dubven now. that ass up Allli boom I ate a game four hundred degrees juvenile. like all it is, it knows me. Yeah, the title knows me. Just listen to your music. Just listen to the same stuff. eventually all come together. H this song up. I love rant to get on here. I' never listened to that record before. That beat theiece puts the up song I don't like that song I never like this on. You go crazy in a club. How about to say. You go crazy in the club. A Dom Kennedy Platinum Chanel, they Kenny now Now let's get the show. Y' don't fuckking y'allt like Don Kennedy? Y'allt like Dom. Oh, yall y' don't be on hostes like that. What? To me, the only niggas that don't Dom Kny are niggas that don't get no girls. I swear God I'm been That's a wild assessment. Clip this. clip this, clip this, click this out. If you don't like Don Kennedy, People say that about Drake, right? Maidenless behavior. People say that about Dke. Oh my goodness. If you don't like Don Kennedy, you don't get hose. you don't really get hes like that. Seriously. I really truly believe that. Like that Don Kennedy song still calling If you ain't ever been in that situation before. If you ain't ever been in that What was that? had you don't like d I time and got it all. Yeah. He had one you got a nice face You got a nice face, your friendree got a nice body. They just want to have fun This is my type of ar. He had the yellow out like I was blameing the yellow out is that's life after that Not tough. man. because I remember I was at USC this summer program and my boy was like, yo, man you got us this Tom Kenvedy, man. I was like All right, sure. it wasn't my type of music, but to your point Everybody was wooded. girl everyverybody was wooded. Girls like D after that music for That was twenty twelve. Whatever. pututting that on in twenty twenty six. Whatever. All I'm saying, well, it's different now, right? But what I'm saying is we were party twelve twenty. the same shit when I'm this aian, not on the same shit, but I'm saying is during the time of, you know Be outside It's like Dom Dom is a situation. It's a thing because it's I think the difference is because I wasn't outside like that in twenty twelve. I was still in I was high school. Who is y'all artist that Y'all because like thats not about to act like they're not about to act like nip. is Nip makes a brilliant w I'tbody N you'll get dealt with here. Right. But Dom, who who is your guy? You know who your guy is? Who? And this makes a lot of sense. I've heard you say this before Dom is like my guy. Y guy is Bryson Tiller. That's a guy.. And that makes sense. That L that makes sense. That's whyensang. becausecause you are you are an emo Eo stealing like that's what she to do. Stealing God. Stealing Nigas girls. That's what you are. That's Bice to. Now now at older age now is currency. I'll put on some currency. Oh currency great. Racing stripes by currency? Good morning. cururrency And Dom Kennedy's on that song as well. Okay? Curcy and Dom Kennedy, racing stripes, amazing record.. Steve, who is yours? Willie Nelson. Willie Yeah Come on Bob Dylan, lately You you not listen to the boss No Springstay, not really Wow. What's your favorite booy, Steve F favorite like all time white boy. Wh' your favorite boy in music. Um Yeah, just overall, who is a white boy's favorite white boy Michael McDonald Probably. Well, it's. that's pretty that's a pretty good white boy. That's a pretty We've had this conversation on here before, but Eminem used to be my guy my favorite. MM must be my favorite white guy. Yeah, man. too the point where Marthall Mather LP two came out. I was like, this is heat. This is good music that was twenty makes a lot of sense. That was twenty fourteen. It makes a lot of sense. And that was the last time he ever put pen and paper and it worked. Right, yeah I'm talk to Paul Walbra. Paul W great. Paul still great. That's a good one. It's good. That's good. You know, Emin M is a Eminem was a g. It's a good white boy to like, but if he's your favorite whiteoy, it's probably problematic. Yeah because he's dramic. I mean, yeah, this is well, I mean, this is like so now Mac was already coming up but I wasn' listening to Mac Not until like twenty No, I got in back twenty thirteen, but it wasn't really until like twenty. twenty seventeen like I really locked in. No rapper could ever be my favorite white booy. Oh. Sure Okay. That's fair. 'cause true. You got iss too much overlap, right? Yeah. But actors. actors. Rber Rber Donin Junr was a my favoriteoy for I mean, he still is my favorite white boy. He's like a cool guy. You know who's the new white boy where I'm like, damn white boy, you killing him. Robber Pants is theber guy like all types of sauce. C on sauce. I tell you what If because Ryan Gosling was there for me for a long time too, right. If Robert Patinson lets us down If we find bad old tweets, I'm done with them forever I don't know. You cant imagine. How do you feel about him doing that Chris Hanson movie? What Chris Hanson movie? Is the. Robert Patson's playing Chr Hanson in a littlech little. can't fucking wait It nuts. Y. M's voice. He's doing that. Yeah B's. Let's say Robertatson going Robert Patson' playing Chris Hanson It's amazing. We gott to get into the show, but I'll tell y you' something I'll tell you something, for real Now, Obviously, there's some ethical concerns with Tkatcha predators. Of course. That is what you move O. Yes.. And there was a whole very notorious situation that happened. you guys. The reason why it's not in the air anymore. But let me tell you something If you ever catch yourself on a Saturday night, you used to talk aboutday. And you watch one to catch your predator. to catch to watch Georgia to catch a predator, Long Beach to catch your predator. O dude walked in. And he was doing this thing. Chris Hansen walked out and he went, My life is over. And I was like, Yeahah, D, you fucking me? Yeah it is. It's like you're done And I'm like it is is it is there are I don't know. This should not be entertaining. This is dystopian for be entertaining truly, but like There was Chris Hansen would walk in like, lets have a seat't sit down. I'm like Wh don't you run right you Well the c are already surrounded a joint lege A lot of them don't notice and it would be so funny, guys would be like, So Ky Lief They' like, yeah. So if I walk out of here are the police out there Chris H hands would be like Yep. I don't They would be like, gangster, you tell me right now, I can walk out of here and I can leave and nobody's here. Chris has to be like I know, you can leave any time you want They could walk out, you looking around Yes Yeah, That's Rot Patson's next move. Okay, when is that actually coming out? I think it's in like September. It's gonna be beforeune. Hes got he's at a hell of a year. We covering that. fan fandom is that. I don't know. We covering that. I love that. H' fans all right. FAN's. Oh my get out. Okay next week, the House of Art continues their Nolan summer with the Dark Knight Rises featuring Eric Boss On Sunday, check for the return of talkalk to Thrones. Talk to Thrones is back. it's Dragon. Dragon Tones. Two years ago was the last time we got to the Dragonsones. Yes sir Um on Monday, the Midnight boys give their instant reactions to season three, the premier House of the Dragon. Y. And you guys in order to prepare for the House of the Dragon, we got something planned. 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Prices may vary stor excus a pricey Home deepot dot com sl priceash for detail Guys, we are so excited for new Dragons. that we are doing finally the Game of Thrones draft Our categories today are hero Villain Dragon episode Wild card. As with every draft, we're going in snake order. So can someone in the back please tell us who was going first, second, third and fourth All right, today we are doing Joie and then Charles and then Van and then Steve.ice All right Joes Skittittle to Skittittle. Where are you going? because I'm very interested before before We were talking about who is the number one overall pick I think there's a clear number one overall pick. I think y'all some h assneakers if y'all't do it right? Is it like? I mean, it's I have there's a person in m. I don't know if My thing is, oh I I can't get the episode of person if I'm going first So I might as well go with Now there's a lot of good episodes. I'm go with the person hero I'm going go with my personal go. numberum one overall G' going with John Stone. O course F ups. You think that's you think John Snows the I think it's cle's the first round once we get through the first round We'll talk about who we feel like is number one. Tell us about your experiences with Jon Snow. Why do you like him? So I love Jon Snow because even though Jon Snow was was an idiot in many cases, he was always right in the sense of Guys, this throne stuff really don't matter. We got bigger fish to fry up top at the wall. And he would tell that to everybody he listened to. And they would like, shut up, John You know what you're talking about. You're a dummy because you made one mistake here, one mistake there. But ultimately, when it all all came to fruition, he was like, he was the last one standing like, ye guys I told y'all this was going to happen, but nobody want to listen to me because I'm bastard or whatever and which and which I really like, I mean, I told the story about budch dumps, I like main the first time I watched the series, I watched the first seven seasons in a week because that's all I had on the free trial And so I spent, I was broke there So I spent like, I watched one season a day of Game of Thrones like I mainlined it right into my veins And by the end of it, was like, yo, this Jonowy He's going crazy. I will say I did like in my first viewing That first season or two Be I did not read the books. I was like, Man, fuck Jhn Snow. I'm like fuck this fuck you do always complaining. Always complain. alwaysways have so emo, but I didn't realize what was coming. I was like damn W. but because also I'm dumb now going back to like first episode. Beuse I knew nothing about this world I can't be like. Damn. whyy they treat him like Charlie Brown He was like Mgal family guy. I'm like, whyy does everybody hate thisuck so much? A, a, listen, man, you're big part of our family, We love you. We will have to send you to the wall and take vows and you can never see us again and you have to like I was the same way. I'm like, yo, look at this dude. What what did he do? I think that you like also because justust like you U he has an addiction to wild white women That's okay. man, you get rich in peace, man He got d dirty, B. When he just shot him with an arrow a bunch of times. But that whole scenario where they were together. Yeah and being together was one of the best times in Game of Thrones lore history. It was like just them being together? him, you know, nothing John slow at him getting in when they got in aot tub together something like that. hot wasn't wasn't it a spring Springring mean they' They're not Jacuzes's jets Al alsoso in the beginning, once again because I did not know a lot about this world where you went to the Nights Watch. It was so funny I'm like damn, not only did your family hate you? The n h too fuck. His family hated him because he wasn't really one of them. Catherine Stark was a terrible mom for. And the Nice Watch hated him because he was too good. Yeah's too much of a stark for the Nights Watch And too much of ambassador for the Starsars man had no country. He was kind of like how the Kicks looked at Weemby. They like, you fuck you really? Let him cook cook. want to cook, little cook G, you know, here's the thing, Ch the next Fucky Weby, you know they got the whole clips. He's just like, yeah, the Kicks play a brand of Nigger ball. He's like, did say that? C where t up was. He's like what? When you say what? Oh Where me you say that? Whatere say that? I want that to be very clear. That's not exactly what. You exactly not say too, bro. That's You know what's funny? is Ly got I say I. It's funny that Winby, you know, basically does the wrong thing all the time now, but he does have the right politics. All of these other niggers went to Trump and like and stuff like that. the right Wey got the right shit, but we still fucking it's still not good enough L' nationalism. you believe that Winby would say something like that? No because you say especially the week leading up to it. I'm like, Dar, I don't want to hear about how this Frenchma fuck is sitting at the botanical Guardian drawn pigages. Yeah. it's freedom fot of here, bro.. But like I would say, you know Johnow had all the intangibles. He was fucking good with the sword. He a pretty boy. The night watchash was looking at him like get this fuck crap. And what did he do? He came out on top. He was like he became the leader. They tried to kill him. becausecause he was so there was like I mean, they did. I mean they did they Well, they did. They tried Dude watch is end. Who move. All right I came back. My watch is ended Shuck us up. my. Yeah this is tough. I'm going with a character that I think was actually more important than Jon Snow in the beginning in setting the tone for the series and it would not wor If you did if this person was not so magnetic in the beginning in Hero, I'm going with Tyrion. I think Tyion in the Yeah, especially in the early seasons. He was a It was like, it was like There was something so magnetic about the portrayal And really just grounding what would become such a fantastical series. Yeah. and something that felt very Shakespeareian, very West wing, intrigued this and that. I just I know I seasons went on. they fucking forgot how to write the character. Yeah. But in the beginning he to me, that was where the show really I'm gonna I'm going I'm pretty sure this character will go soon so I'm going to wait that question, but there's like to your point, there's some significant falloffes for a lot of these characters. And three in particular, that just like from seasons one four to season seven and eight, you're looking like these are completely different characters But I I want to just hold off on that for a second. So there was also I forget what this because This when I was watching Game of Thrones, I was like, I remember I was on Vox and all these other siteser. com breaking it down.. What.ould guys have rather than went with likeike they were like Tyion is basically going to be half Lannister and he's going to get one of the dragons, Dan is going to get one of the dragons and John is going to get one of that was one of the big series that I was reading. That' that's that's kind of that's kind of cooky. Yeah, but like that's the thing. We were thinking about every No like we were theorizing every around the time where it was like The books obviously weren't finished and this is probably around like season three where people were just like, ooh, who's gonna get the other two dragons ' Ebbody was like, maybe Tyrion's a Lannister that did not happen. No All right, my turn. I'm going for what I would have thought would have been The ironclad first pick, which tells me that you guys aren't going to agree and no one listening is going to agree. I'm going to episode And I'm taking a red weddning. Yeah. Rs C casp. but that's the R R Casmere. Yeah. I'mry is I think that this is one of the mostost important television episodes of all time. Yeah. twenty first century, all time. twenty first century all time. Like there used to be rules about which characters would stay and which characters would go. And there was a time when we knew which characters were getting killed off of the show because of the business of the show The show, Hey, this person didn't the killing of a character almost was secondary. It was almost something that you watched to fill in the narrative that you got through like the trains or the online talk. This person didn't come back for this. This person asked off the show like Lisa Monet got in trouble. and so like there's no more Denise and all of that stuff. But like to watch a show and then, you know, obviously it happened happened in the wire, but like to watch a show and then to watch staple characters. remember I didn't read the books killed in that brutal and final way completely set the entire timecauseuse is the thing the show I done such a good job at to this point where it's like It was like dogs Rob is killing him. Look at him. He can't eat a man. No, Rob. Yeah. he's the fucking man And I remember watching the reed wedding and I was like, The genius of episode. is that like you're going through the whole season. and if you haven't read the books The Ned Stark death, they do it once and you're like You cant. That's like the craziest thing. You can't that. That's like I cant do that. And then for them T do it again during the reed wedding, you're like, Oh, this is the show. No. Then his whole family Gs the fucking st out of here. What I will say, I've never been that mad. with a TV show then at the end when like they put like robbin them on the horses that put their dire wolf heads on them. I was crazy car. It really is a post like there's a pre and post red wedding. pop culture world because that really like cemented the show is like a worldwide phenomenon that everybody needed to see because like a show never dared do what that did. All right. so I'll go with our hero for. Yeah. So the main hitters are gone mainly. But like I hero hero. No we still got the deepest That's probably the deepest m I hereroes are your most value category. I know. I want to go with with an arc that I genuinely loved and it was Arya. Arya Stark. Okay' a G great pick. I think it's Arya and Tyriion are both could have been too. Arya is a fascinating to know that she is this young and this is like Almost to the entirety of the show, she probably had the least tarnished when it came to the how the show ended. becausecause I liked that ending for Aa a bit more than anybody else's Um But no, she her character growth was incredible. And like by the end of that third season, I was like, this might be some of the best character growth that I've seen from a young character ever. It's great. Phenomenal. Remember the center of asssassin schoolool As assass in school Man. Amazing. One of the more brilliant What do we say to Dlases? Remember when she was running and the lady goes, I help you. And she stabbed her and it turned out to be the girl. Yeah. That was fucking crazy. Awesome. Then she goes back to the lady who was Actors lady Thats fun A lady They're all actress The actress lady who took care of Arya. Rember That's not the fuck She's a fucking actress in a stage show Whatever she too care she took care of Arya. she played Cersei Lannister in a show and she nursed Arya back. And she talked about the fact that like you remember this? I about I know what you're talking about. They're talking about like a specific lady who's an actress. So I'm like, Doug, there's so many actressors in this show. I don't know. But I know what you're talking about. Is he's a sixth in retrospect. Yeah. Yeah. Should Arya have killed the Night King I mean, probably know. deffinitely not really, but definitely not. No, I'm I' suggesting like If it was not Arya Who do you feel like it made more sense? I mean, Jhn John obviously. Yeah, but all of Game of Thrones is about subverting the expectation. I think it's it's the entire series is like, it's gott to be John. Okayuke Skywalk. It's gott to be John like in the moment when Arya killed him, everybody was like loving it and it was amazing to see. but I think that might have been the moment when Game of Thrones got a little high on its own supply as far as subverting should be doing Yeah Because like again, it's getting a little crazy at the end, but No, like It doesn't diminish the death of the Night King By her killing him? No, because the Ni King didn't do much. That's also true. becauseuse that's why it was cheap to. It wasn't the fact I K kill him Mad cashmoney shit. Yeah. And then number one Al will no stake Yeah. What's the name of the dragon when he turned the dragon? I was Alvisarion Yeah. Visarion I was like, Oh, it's about to get fucking lit in then. No hold on, but then he burns down the wall and you kind of like, Hey where see Yeah, yeah Like yeah, yeah, that's he did his one thing, but that was it So who's next? I'm going take villain. And I'm going to take Amon Targaryen. Okay Oh ye, conniving. Incredibly performed. That's not who I would have went with, but o to be a jy. I don't think it's Jord. I like him vill a villainy for that' talking Geord. That's definitely Well,'s thing though you know they would say the why it's not a Jordi. They would say why it's not a Jordi.. And if the funny thing about A Geordi is there could only ever have been one, Geordi. That's fair because The Torty pick still remains The the most controversial pick in Ringer draft history. I don't think. It might have been thatet. I't know that this's a Jord. I think it's not a great pick but don't think it's a Jeord. Okay. I disk like Aamon. I like Aammon ass a villain. D. I like Aamon too. I'm to take, I'm gonna reach on a villain. sure Um, but I'm gonna take a villain. just because I want to have this guy I'm going to take Tylin Lannister. Oh, okay. who was who was in my list. Yeah, like I'm going to take I'm gonna guy. I'm going to take villain. I'm gonna take Tylin Lannister. Dmon. like This I miss is the guy. Yeah, man. This is the thrwn of the Game of Thrones world. I love how of the Game of Thrones world T. Now look, here's the only thing that might curse me with the people is that Tywin Lannister is not in a ton of the Game of Thrones Very, very, very signaturely played by Charles Dance, right Not in a ton of the show, right? There There are other people who do more sadistic stuff. there even times where Lannister comes off as ightly likekable I would't even say slightly. there's like moments where you're like like when when Arya is the cut bearer Yeah and you're doing the thing, he's like, I like you gir, but be careful then. Be careful.ful I like you be careful. Like there's like a sense of like Paternityity that he doesn't give does not give who does not care about what's his name? Tyrion that he gifts to A in that moment. you're like, Hey man, I can kind of see why Jamie looks up to him. But like but even even when he's talking to Tyrion, he goes U Oh, he's talking to I don't want to say who he's talking to because that might be a draft pic. But anyway, I can't this is what happens in the small connsole. There's too many drafics out there I want to talk about. but like he is Sometimes wise. Y. And when villains are wise, it sometimes throws you off and it seems like a virtue. And so he is kind of wise from time to time, like he knows stuff. But man, this motherfucker is a bad motherfucker. Everything that has gone on and happened, it's all because of them.. It's all because of him He is the one that really waits to the last minute, gets involved in these wars, has these people killed killed like flooded a whole but like him He is the real big brain behind all of the stuff that was happening, particularly with the political machinations of the Westoast, which is why Ive chose him. Yeah. Everything else is fruit off of history. But I could see people saying, oh, there're worse villains at Game of Thrones. Obviously, there are a couple that are really really fucking terrible for the stuff that they do in the.. But I think that's it's a smart pick though. I will I will stay in villain land and on me speak? No, no, just Wh who de picked? Oh, you p first Inveailing on picking Danny She got be. Okay, so that's interesting. controversy controversial. Is that c This is a fx pick technically I'm not say you definite Well, because you got toa think about it. She was She was a hero. She was a hero for a while and then she wasn Until like the last two episode. Yeah someone was anarchist. You know? That's fair. That's very fair. I was anichist. I'm not I'm not mad at. they'll be mad at you D people nod D any people hate o my gosh. She committed genocide That is a villain. I'm sorry. Yeah no you down All of King's Landing. Right. She dropped in a time bomb on bomb on the head. He killed Eron Rogers dog That's crazy So here's the thing and I mentioned it earlier. When you talk about John, you talk about Terry, you talk about Danny Who fell off harder from like the first couple seasons to the end of the show becausecause those were like not only like our main characters, but the characters we follow throughout the world. didn't get to season seven eight kind of like, all right, man. Tyrion fell off the worst because Similar to his father, Tywin, he was the character that was the smartest in the room and that's what gave him the power And they just lost that fucking plot. But Danny is a close second She is a villain to me. She is the endgame of the series. They just did not Set it up well, like at all It was so fucking rush. Sious thing. I think the turn is rushed, but they spent six seasons going. Targaryens, you know, fifty fifty. they could be cool. they could be crazy. They set it up in little ways. They sa the end of it the turn Yeah like they give you this look a little bit and then at the end they're like, B't hear it this, quick. which doesnt it doesn't work No Yeah It doesn't work. You need like a couple more maybe like another season or at least like three former episodes for her like sit in Dragonstone, just be Madisell that killed Mande and just kind of like slowly but surely you see her lose her faculty lose her Macinates. Yeah. and then boom set off on Kings's Landing. That I'd be like a, I could see why they would I could see how she get there. But for her to wake up the morning and go you know what I'm gonna burn it all down after like I'm not going I'm not going u reinvent the wheel, I'm gonna break the wheel, all that stuff free the slaves, doing like, I'm not going to roll like everybody else. And then one day she wakes up, she's like, actuallyually forget all that. I'm gonna just burn it all down. It's not it doesn't really flush Does that make a good villain th I wonder. I mean, it is a villain turn like it is a big villain But here I think she is at least on screen the most consequential villain that we have seen thus far because the destruction that she rots on the kingdom. I mean, she has the highest body countount for sure. only to the Night King if we're being real. Yeah Even the night, well, obiously people draft them, but I hear all the arguments. You could have gone her or villain with her. Yeah. R Yeah you really could have She's a villain who ninety six percent of the show, but when she turns, you mean a hero for ny six percent of show? She, she's hero for n six percent of the show. and not just a hero, but like U almost like morally un impeachable hero. Yeah. she does't she's like walking around She's like Harriet Tubman mixed with John Brown for like for like a lot of the show. And then she just fucking flips it and burns children Yeah Nota Aa just being like gay. skills a like. Rria, you tri really try. Really quick before we get off this, I remember the night that episode dropped. disappointment everybody It was like it was like somebody had killed your child. you like damn. So you know what's funny is I was on the other side of Twitter. and I remember because I had a tweet that night blow up. But somebody accused me of stealing the tweet. Oh no. I had a tweet that night blow up about Bran And whatever, whatever the tweet was I was on the other side of Twitter where people were just talking about Man, how the fuck do we go to Brand being the nigger? And we right. everyverybody was so But then All of that il next day was when I somebody this tweet, I had to look at the tweet. Somebody's like, man, this dude wrote a tweet' like, Bro. Last night was crazy. he was like I watched the episode I went to sleep. Got up this morning I made some raisin brand two strips of turkey bacon. I drank some orange juice, Then I ran out and had a light jog, a light jog. one of those ones where you just get the runner high and none of the soreess came back. took the shower, sat down Damn that shit was assed. Like he had a whole day and it's still bad. this came. Damn that shit was assed. Yeah. I feel like people were really upset once they sat with it. But it's like when was the like when was the death knell moment for Game of Thrones? Like when for you was like, no, it's gone. It like it where Danny forgot theron fleet that was. Oh my bro That was the moment where I was like, yeah, it's over. Danny kind of forgot the Iron fleet was I'm like, all right, man, ye, we lost We lost the sauce. it's over.. It's over. I check where you at notot to me you I'm going to go wild card here. I know it's early, but I got to get him off the board My Gody Egg Okay'. Okay. I I was interested to see how many how many people would be drafted from the other shows. there there should be a there will be a presence. I got I got to give love to my guy Eggm man. He came on screen Little little at first I'm like, look at that ball head of an kid But man, when I tell you he He came into he flew in my heart That little hy man. When you out there, Right, Get up, sir Duncan I'm start crying.' a little dog bro I wish well I hope he is a healthy, strong growing boy, but like Damn, I hope we do get a few more years of just like the precocious. Please be cute for like one more season or another before you crazy problem Or the avatar problem where Egg is freezing what you little six he tall in his suck. I like what I like about Egg more than anything is his comic time Oh, he's so funny. he is so funny. funny. He's looking at the different he's just they cast it perfectly rightight Even talking about the show makes me miss the show. I can't wait for it to come back. I love so excited This is a phenomenal j. It's so amazing. It's so amazing U I guess I'm gonna take episodes right now. All episodes need to start flying off the show I'm going to episode next. man because there's I think I think if the ones that I need are taken, then I know what I know what to do I know what I I know what I I know what I want to take But I'm gonna take I'm going to take heart home Okay, I'm gonna take car home because like They go to the Wildy things. they had a conversation trusting And's not what I thought it was going go second. No The Nike bo that have that like that race from the whatever like little hut they're in all the way to the boats dog and then John uses the Valerious steel on the White Walker and he turned the he just turned the glass or whatever Yeah. And he and then a night King at the bro When you're watching that for the first time Like I again, I didn't get to watch Lve. I can't imagine what it had to look like watching live Because at that point, you still like believe you, you still have faith that the Night King's going't be crazy. You still have faith that this is going to be the main guy at the end of the day and see him arms wide Look at John L What' you going do, big dog what you've got Legendary shitary kills specialills man Come on. I'm gonna go episode two and I'm gonna go with my heart. This is my favorite episode of the series I gott to go battle of the Bastards. che. Yeah Battle of the Bastards ease Yeah thoughts you take. I really yeah no disrespect the hard home H That wasn't even the episode I was thinking about. There's another you were thinking about one before after There's one I think that is objectively like When I was going back to the Ringer shout out our website did like the best Game of Thrones episodes, their number one surprised me, but I was like it doesn't surprise me because in the moment as I'm watching it, I'm like this particular we'll talk about somebody somebody nobody it'body doesn't big it, we'll talk about it. I'm watching it. I'm like like I'm like I'm standing up at my crib It is two thirty in the morning Uh, everyverybody else asleep I am in my parents' house staring at the TV standing up there like this. Oh my gosh. I' I'll win is in but we'll talk about. Yeah. But battle of the bastards when I rewash it. Today I'm like, o Even in the moment because I was watching this live with the people. We got so many memes. It's still one of the greatest shots in Game of Thrones of John ook facing down the arm That's all time and like that's like what the fuck here To this day Watching a little hy not zigg and zag. I was like, you're coming.ome sererpentation Serpentation. L us guys that. is a curse of the Rikies click on Yeah Anybody nameamed Ricky. In gametros universe? No any universe. In any universe Ricky and Rick, neither one of them knows how to zigzag when someone is shooting at them. Now I'll say this. There's a difference. Yeah Rickon is what like eleven years old. Yeah. Yeah and K, not known to be incredibly athletic. Ricky from Boys in the Hoods has a scholarship to USC Football. Yes, Okay. He has a football scholarship to USC. This is the school of Marcus Allen of Reggie Bush oJ Simpson Even Lyindale White was very fleet af fooot. How How much do you think the Bobbin and the weaving and the zigzagon really would have saved him? Who for boys from Yeah. It's a straight line and it's an an all. it's an't you can only go so far and it's like jump a fest maybe first I don't know, man. got a shot. Yeah. Okay. You got to at least run, if you see the guy and uppt it, you gott to at least run Run, run. I don't know, man. Make him move because you know what could happen? If you run straight away from him, he aims middle of your back Boom, kill shot It's a sprad with a shotgun. right. If you run to the side, Maybe some of the pellets get you, Maybe some of them don't. Some buckshots end up in the wall. stuff like that. But the way to ensure bet you die thenen you lose the one v one, It's right is to run either with Rickon or Ricky. These are two ricks that don't understand. you need to move. And with Rickon I say this, man This nigger had to shoot into the sky. Yeah, that was you was calculating it. I would. L like W you go? Yeah, you got at least his argent was crazy. Oh, by the way, just to let you know. There was nobody on the other side yelling for him, yelling instructions for him for him get. He What happened with that Hey's coming down to the left. What way so I will If I could give Ricon like a little bit of credit rewatching it. I forgot that like John starts riding his horse and has his hand out. So he's probablying.' running for John.hn Yeah. so he's not zagging. He's not thinking that he can yeah. Yes. ye o. But also John is an idiot because Watching this, I was like, wait, John you get hit with the arrow. I was kind of like with Ramsay. I was just like Bring up to many names,'s people out there still for people to drive Wh are you saying arms, j? No, because There were a couple of times where I was like, oh, this don't make sense because even this is also a fucking dope part when Fucking John gets back to Winterfell and Ramsy got the he's like, all, we can do a one of you one now And he' bloc in the areir blop, Bop, blop But I was like, At one point he hits the giant I'm like, whyy don't you just kill John Nair It's not it's not cinema, baby. Yeah. we got at that moment though is my favorite episode. It was It was incredible. All right, man I'm going hero, Net Stark. Great No, that's no that's a I think that's a great picture. I'm going for the value right now on my third pick take And that's a hero on Ned Stark. I could have taken him in villain. That' being honest. Come on. does not do that. not do that come on now respect. Everything me that's a value pick. No, yeah, it didn'. I didn'. That's a value value at this point in the Jack. because there's a lot of heroes in Game of Thrones you can take. But like but I'm taking hero on Ned Stark man.. Here's the thing Ned Stark is such a good hero he doesn't belong in Game of Thrones because Game of Thrones got rid of him in season one They like so noble you can't fit in this world. Let me tell you why NA is so important to me as a hero. Ned sets the standard for both Game of Thrones heroism and Game of Thrones fucking idiocy. Yeah. Right, okay. Well, he says no Yes, Yes, you're right. You're right. He's a dumb skkull And so's his whole fucking family except for Sansa. Yeah, okay. He's a dumb skull. he's a he is Ned made a lot of mistakes. Ned is a heroic motherfucker Ned's heroism actually starts the u the entire destabilization of King's landing that leads to not only this run for the throne, but also to I guess, a better understanding of things at the end. He's the one that destabilizes things in the entire way, right? cracks in the foundation start with the fact that he won't bend and budge to business as usual at King's Landing. But goddamn thisig good dummy, bro I got to be honest with you. G great hero K kind of a Himbo type guy. Sold it. I mean, the biggest mistake And I'm sorry, I will take this with me. See what you think about this, Stave The biggest mistake is Cat come to come over real quick. Right. Okay, listen, Cat, listen, this again. Cat, listen, I'm sorry Listen You love me I love you, John evenven though you betrayed me one time. Well You're not gonna believe it We can't tell anyone this. Do you understand? I love you, you love me We can't tell anyone. We are betrothed to each other This see not my ket You're just making this up, John You don't want me to believe? Listen I put it on the wolf Yes deccisal of L Stark Mat my kid My sister's kid with the prince. We can't tell. if we tell, heir to the throne going to come, kill me and kill all your kids. So you're such a great mom. You want to keep this place safe. Do not tell this secret She's going for that. rightight? But no else you could do, that's the second choice. The second choice is to not tell her and watch her kick his ass for sixteen years until he can sit to the wall. you D Ned He already saw in cat. He's just like How she was treating John, that was always You know what I'm saying? though like, she're not gonna hold it down, man. You know what I mean? that Kat Stark would have told Who should go tell Who would she tell? You know how you keep your secret? You know how you keep a secret by not telling no. We talk about your on her. about. He promised his dying sister on her deathbed. She said, A, don't tell nobody about this. You know what he did? Told somebody about anybody about it. Listen, Well let me be real with you. I get this. veryery heroic Also the wrong decision. I don't How was that the wrong decision there? There' so many decisions that he made that were the wrong decision. That's not one of him. But every decision that he made that actually strategically in a world full of cyiticism was wrong. He made it for honorable hero Exactly. Who is Who is more of Ned Stark's son in terms of having his blind spot Rob or John Beause the same thing that undoes N Joh It's John because Yeah Yeah, because Ned marries the Frager Yeah, right Ned, if Ned takes takes a vow He would have done it, He wouldn't have killed the whole family. Right? He Rob was like I'm gonna go marry toelissa, She's cute, sheinut. and everybody suffer for it Ned never would have done that. rightight? Under circumstance would Ned would have done that. Probably true Prom Ned probably marries a fraay girl whatever Rob didn't do it. These starks man These stars Good at fighting Not really decision makers. notot great decisions. They're not made from politics. And by the way, can I say something else Don't really listen to women Well, I don't think anybody listens All in that I think that's that's a problem of the whole world. ever listen to women. Jamie listen to women Like it's like it's like Jie listens to women or are he listening? He listens to a certain woman. I'm just saying stars don't really listen to women. They try to tell them, this what you got to do. Don't listen. you get fucked over. Are they the Kennedyyss of withith not a doubt. Don't the Kennedyss. They could be the mushes They keep dying Bush. Theyy Kennedy. They keep dying. theyy Kennedy. But anyway, that's a valueick for me. I good team so far. right. All right, Steve. Okay, I got the turn. Okay. so my episode, I'm going to pick speaking of Ned Stark, I'm pick episode or season one finale, Baylar Yeah one episode nine. episode nine, yeah. Yeah. No, that's it's an incredible episode. and basically like to me, this is the thing that actually declares the show that it is Game of Thrones and not just some other show because a hero or a self proclaimed like noble person like Ned simply does not belong in it. because he can he does not think that he can survive in something like that. Well, it also like, I mean, maybe this is more meta, but like when watching the show, Shan Bin's the first guy to call she. He's the first guy to train It's like selling promo picture. Im watch. I'm watching for Sean B. You're not going to kill Sean Ban. You're not going kill House. You're not going kill Michael Scott. likeike you watch the show.'s's the main character. They cut us said off. you're like, oh Oh, this is different. This is not regular te. My heart broke, broh. It was so my heart it broke. This was this message board. This is this message board I go to And you know, people in messagage board don't like when you talk about the messagage board. Like, There was a post on there like, Yo There was only two times where that mres Board melted down. When Stringer died, nobody believed it It was like, there's no way he's got some. And when N start died Be I wa They just killed Ned Start like he's dead. It's the finale of the first season. he doesn going What happens now? Pe thought howouse Stark was There were so many people I know that read these books. Now there were so many people who didn did't Yeah, there's something that no fucking clue. Also what shows you how different the internet was I had I had caught up probably When is the red wedding? That's season two. That's season three episode nine. I got in probably Point None of this had been spoiled for me. Ned dying the red wet, none of it had been spil. Oh yeah peopleeople were very like tight lipped about spoiler culture back then and it was a very big thing was like, oh, you don't know what happens in This latest episode you gota like they're all enjoying the show together and reallyingact people to have so. Real quick before your next pick, noody picked the wins winner Man. I mean, we still got wild cars out there. There's wild cardars out there. Yeah, we still got wild cars out there, but Win's winter to me is Probably the lastaska game It's definitely the It's the last best game of Thrones this episode. Yeah definitely. And' just like y' y'all were working up to this point. Y'all like if we can land this play, we could Yeah. We got the championship and then everything that came after tough. Yeah tough. And then I think I'm going to go with Wildcard here and I have to pick So Duncan the tall I think that he he exemplifies everything that I've loved about N of the seeven Kingdoms and he's probably best thing that has come out of Game of Thrones in a an age. like I loved that show from start to finish and I think he is probably One of the best characters that I've seen on TV in a very long time I dunk in the tall. Um I'm going to go dragon offten wondering what the first picked dragon would be And I'm going with the biggest, baddest motherfucker that there is've ever been going with mother fucking Vagar. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying This motherfucker is the shack of dragons. S He's the shack of dragons He is the biggest, he is the best she excuse me. She is the biggest She is the b a battleship in the fucking sky I can't believe I can't believe she got that motherfucker rying on her brother. Come on, man. Amen? Yeah, man, that little motheruck I hate that motherfucker. Yeah. You chose you chose him, right? I did. Yeah, I can man That motherfucker. I hate that little bitch. That's a bitch s as nigger bro But that's you think he doesn't deserve it? No, he's cunning. That's aook Jazz nigga bro. That's a true Jazaszigga, bro. I'm gonna be real with you. L that's a true h. Well I agree. counterpoint though He the only one who got the killer instinct in his family. That That's right. You can't really fault him for that. Like he sa lot of moves. He was just like, you know what? calculate. I just can't imagine if Venia The original rider of Vagar looked back looked down and and saw Aimon riding him. Yeah, but she and took that little mo fuckers eye. Yeah I' like yeah, I'll be angry too. He took He took that dragon the night he lost his eye Accident. I don't care what nobody's an accident no but to we need to Luke, man in season one When he showed up when Luke showed up to a to storm Zand when his little dragon. Ay look at the quarter. bigig are big ye. Yeah. I don't know, A look better than me man. I don't be like, Hey, man. Yeah b I' been that willing to fe gif like I'm turning I'm turning around. I'm getting out of an airbrah It's not for me All right Let's see, let's see. there's a lot of All right, I'm gonna go wall card Yo, I got to go my man Damon I got. I mean great definition of a wildcard. Yeah he mean is J That's my man. He's the only one who got the heart. What I trust him in my friends circle No was absolutely not on the battlefield, come on. M fuck gets busy He'd be putting hand Yeahah he' would putting hands on people Man. so I'm actually see what they do with Daemon this season Because last season You know, they kind of had him on a bench, you know, Yeah, no which stuff for him this time. She should be getting active this season. Yeah. And so hopefully it's returned to season one Damon He was giving the crap feeder the business. You know what I'm saying Fingers crossed I would have looked, but you' right though, that man he a menace When they get them mac right All right, your last your last pick, drum. My last two picks. I'm gonna start with Villain Hey, I'm a I'm a good Ramsay inv villain Plumber Cercy I' leaving names off theook I hate Cersei. I've said this million times. I hate Cersecy, I think. come on theer's one of the best. Cersecy's one dimensional to me legitimately got up not because that's one thing to like hate a villain because oh, they're so tough, they're so good. But's another thing to be like, you not really, youre not really partake partaking in this adventure. Talk about your pick She addicked but Now ran Ramsey broke. from T Santa. to John I've just made everybody's lives hell I hate it I hateated Oh my bro when he when when Sansa stands over his dead body manan getting that leg bet mess something or me or That messed something to me. I wanted to see him dead. again, I watched epise the was the show in like six days. So legitimately it was like three days, but I was I was hot. I would go to Billlick. And why is he still alive, bro I'm so I was so happy to see him get got bress That meant up to me. My last pick, I gott to take a dragon I got a lot of options. Can we we can take stuff from the books? Yeah No because I'm trying to win. So I mean, Vhagar' probably the right chice in terms of like the number one dragon You know I'm going to go I'm a go dro gun. Okay. Okay. I'm the last remaining dragon in Westeros M. This is how you know that the dragons in Game of Thrones are semi sentient in the sense that When sppoiler alert, for season eight Game of Thrones When John stabs Danny in the chest, And Drogon comes and the first thing he does is burn the Iron Throne because he knows he's got that sense like, o man, this is what it's all about and that kill guy got my mama kill. He left Johns he let John slot He was like, yo, you killed my mom, but this is what really killed mom I'm a ticker body bara somewhere And go new We was while it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm say? let me just take that we can doal, but you wouldn't got to see me again, where Drogon had killed a bunch of kids, you know? It' like you know what Drogon did? Drogon set itself free. Drogon was like I'm about I'm a dragon man. I'm not about to be with these people because they don't know what they want All they do is use me to burn everything up and burn elementary schools and shit I'm out of here.' is the moment where he's like I'm done don't you crazy w. Yeah y got it. You' st What if your dragons just quits on. I'm going back to malaria, man, y'all got it. I you think the dragons were a little bit towards the end a little bit like Damn, y'all mom fuck is just like keep using us for all this warfare. Why can't we eat chickens and goats and? I think the nukes packed up and went home. Yeah, I think the dragons, I think the dragons after the Targaryen Civil War, they were probably like, well, the fuck is going on, man,'s not off of us left. You guys don't care about us, You guys use us to do all this stuff. I thought we was cool. I thought we were friends. I thought we had a bond, a sooul bond, which have nothing. Well, they're supposed to, but mean, that's why the Targaryens were in charge for such a long time becausecause of the threat of the dragons Right? Be right Hey, just know. If you wanted to set this place ab blaze, I'll do it Don't play with me And for the most part I mean, Agon used I don't want to name some dragons, but use his dragons to conquer the seeven kingdoms. And then we see at at the end of the series Droke or Daenerys are like B I'm gonna burn this this whole place down. Like It's a possibility. Chuck you on Dragon time Well, you can't have a conqu conquest without the black dread I'm going with Belarian. There you go. that was I was thinking about that but we that's a cool last. Belarian the Bar man. I don't know if y'all if y'all got a re fireing Bood man The stuff Balerion was getting up to. Hilarious. someome stuff that we hilarious Vilarious. We don't see it in the show, but it is something that happens to a Patty Constantine's character, Viserys He claimed Belerion. He wrote Belerion flew across the city one time And the blair I was like That's it.. Yeah, I'm dying. That's this guy he got a problem. Just his love. I'm out Y'all guys. that's so funny. Like you be waiting for your drag like I could drive Ferrari did it you driving B. But you got the black dread. This is the goat drag awwesome. and then he flies in the sky. He like his shadow covers cityscapes dog. Like, and for you to get the one ride, he was like, you know what It's like that That one I forget like an athlete go out there throw one pass like, you know what goodood stuff. It's over with it. Yeah. I gotta call it C go to one practice, and call a press card. He I'm done Um, Wild card For my wild cart. I am going to draft Cersei Lannister. Oh hell yeah, That's cool. That's awesome think of. I want to tell you draft Cersei Lannister. She was like She's like a utility player, man. Her arc is insane. Her arc is insane and the show kind of lost itself when it lost the ability to find out like what to do with her. Yeah she to me M than anything exemplified what the world of Wester Rls was about Yeah He was born into this family She like is illicit disgusting love But then that love was replaced by the love of her children. This entire time she acted entitled, she acted evil, but she also acted like she was really attached to certain things that she couldn't let go of She could never get to being a good person because she wasn't raised in goodness, but she also Understood love and all of that stuff and just became a really cynical version of her. I loved your children so much that she bombed her last one's wife And then he killed himself and then she wasn't sad about it for real I couldn't be sad. By the time we was in all black. I' wearing all black sometimes. You know what I'm saying? By that time we had to just get busy. Oh no, my children. Why in a Why in like fantasy sci fi shit When they want to prove to you that a mfuck is like means business, they always go for the all black. like Luke When he comes out black backack joint All black and the haircut. Yeah. She got the pixie cut. It's never like when it No because Gandalf came back and he was in He was Gandalf the white wasal the white and he was looking crisp. That's when I stoppedusting him. Look. he was prime Gandolf. White? I'm like why why gotta be white? huh? Wh gota be white A soka too? soka good white. Let me askash out something Did you ever feel sorry for Cersei Lannister Oh no Yes. There are times. I actually think The show did a good job in the beginning with That first season, first two seasons where I'm like, damn. Yeah. she and she married to Robert. who want? in a messed up world Yeah. By B was a t fuck. Like her dad Tywin using her as a fucking pawn in his big game. Yeahes, she love her kids, but deep downs, you know One of these is The Anti Christ. Yeah Oh, speaking of that. I'm surprised so far Is it possible that we hated him so much we didn't even want to draft undrafted Like really you could go with him have that conversation now. I mean Steve has one pick left. he's got a dragon, so we could have the conversation now deffinitively Right now it's time for prop clipping definitively right now Who is worse? Who is worse Joffrey or Ramssey Wh's worse? Joffrey No Ramsay easily I would say Joffrey only because he had Like he ran all of King's Landing. He was like he was more consequential to more people's fate than Ramsy Yeah, but if we're just talking about villains I am always more afraid of the villain that is just as smart, if not smarter and more cunning and more strategic than our heroes. Right And starts with less and amasses as much as Ramsey did versus Joffrey's cruelty came from stupidity Right. She's like, it makes you mad at the character, but I was never really afraid of Joffrey. I was always like, well, of course he was going gonna to do that Right. With Ramsy, I was just like are they going to fucking get rid of this cunning motherfuck? And and that's why I say like he's a better villain he was but but Joffrey was clearly worse of a person. This what I'm saying I think what you guys just talked about is the difference between the two characters Ramsay is more dangerous because not only is Ramseay cunning and smart, he cajrooles his way into being legitimizing himself with his father and taking Winterfell and being the Lord of Winterfaell, right He's also extremely lethal. in combat. So he's legitimately dangerous, right in that regard, in that respect Joffrey is legitimately dangerous because of his access to power because he is The fucking king And he comes from this line of Baratheon slash Lannisters I mean, the no I think that just means that like if he's having a bad day one hundred and fifty people might just die He might just and so that's what makes the conversation to me, that makes it a wasash. It just makes it about like which guy you think is worse. R? because He is less dangerous from an intellectual standpoint of course but more dangerous from a power standpoint, whereas Ramy is like my worst nightmare. Sure. Yeah man. If Ramsey was in King's Landing, then's obvious if Ramsey was in King's Landing, he may be rules for thirty years. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? L you know, Jeoffrey was unstable enough to know that he was going to get God eventually. Ramy Tywin T like Tywit and Ty. Oh you have people that are like To me, Joffrey was always just a figurehead, which is like a figurehead is always going to be less scary and lethal than the like R you're right. But it's only that when he's that immature and that Unstable, do I realize how dangerous power is because Jeffrey's just Trump. But he but he wanted to do stuff And there were people that wouldn't let him do it. Exactly. that is true. Like there were people that were like we talked about earlier he wanted to like serve s like starts head to Sana. he wanted to do stuff and time it was like Ttarum was like, no And in Thailwand, Joffrey was held in check in a way that Ramsy was were you who then who would you be more afraid of I win or Ramsey because to me I T Lannister. T Tywin T Y like easily t easily easily Tyw. He was he was nuts And like like he but not no. actually, I was afraid of him because he wasn't nuts. Yeah He wasn't He was always the smartest person in the. He was pragmatic. He like he like he wasn't nuts. Jo me He goo let, what do you call it Go down and go kill the what it call it? The door the door is Princess Right? likeike, u, what do you call it Uh when u Bobby B L like that's what Battle or what do you call it Rbert Rebellion when they get to he made the decision to to kill all of the Yeah. Well, they weren't darnish They were Targarians they were Yeahah, but they were Darnish. And he like princess, go the mountain, go down there, kill everybody. Like that's just like It's not like, I'm not gonna to say it's like genius level thinking or whatever, but that's just the person I want no problems with who just like right Yeah, go go go handle over go murder those innocent people who have no business being murdered, but we just can't have any threats to this throne, any claims to the throne. I'm like, yo, dude, that's the guy I want no beef with. And whatever and whatever happens after that, we de deal with it when we deal with it Like if hey the uh, the viper wants his revenge one day, he's going to want it, but the entire time He has to deal with the throne And we're the throne now. Yeah. It was just like T was a bad motherfucker. out of the Ramsay Joffrey's situation I still can't. I never can quite make up my mind about who is worse. Yeah. Ramsey is certainly more dangerous. Joffrey was a cool cook, but Rams was more dangerous Ramsy has to get it off the mud too R He was a bassard. He had to earn the Bolton name. Oh ye think is would break the tie I think I think I picked Ramseay for a reason Right? I just like's Joffrees again Joffrey Bone like Trump like in the fact like you got power, but like you can like he jingle him away from the worst time I mean, but there' Theyre literally seeing the to and be like, shut up. He gets he gets backhanded by by Tyriion Right Yeah. right? Like I don't, I can't quite respect him. I struck King over there again like that. That would never happen to a Ramssey Ball. You know he'll be dead. He'll be f. I Tri That was another crazy. He smacked him a couple of times. C couple timees. Tyriion was not playing with King. No, Tri were not having that. tryry that with Ramssey. you going end up in the stockade. Nah Dg. I don't want it I don't want it. All right, you got a dragon? Yes I do. I'm picking Vermmithor Okay And it's probably because it's one of the coolest scenes that I think Game of Thrones has done with a Dragonp When Rhaenyr was holding auditions for a rider and they got like twenty mother poor bastards to just get eaten. The Red sewing Red Swing was incredible. The bronze Fury. He's the second largest dragon He's just unruly and it That scene of the Red sewings basically like it really was a great way to sell You got to be a crazy motherfucker to try to ride a dragon. And to tame that type of like Otherworldly nature is just incredible to see. Bron Chado Jaerys, Man Jaeris the first. Yeah. was was his mount for a long, long time. He was the man Man, we really did it We did it. Charles, give us the rundown. All right. So Joy, you drafted Jon Snow, Ramsay Bolton, Drogon, H home and Egg. I have Tyrion, Daenerys, Balerian Battle of the Bastards, Daemon. thenan has Ned, Tywin Vhagar, the Rigns of Castimir and Cersei Steve. Last but not least, Arya Aymon Vermithor, Belor, Sir Duncan the Tall before we wrap up, who do we think? who we think ran away with this? I'm looking deep I very b I I think I think these are very balancedless. It'll be Yeah. Okay H shouldould have been drafted D didn't go drafted Who the biggest like the mountain isn't on here. Brand of Tarth probablyarth Brand. I was so close The hound The hound is man. The hound The hound's arc is so great. R so for Wildc. L love Braon. Bon my man dog. Baric Dundarian. But that's just me. but that's just me. She' very gorgeous to me. She had had the Fame of sword. Rob Stark if you didn't go out Like he didave, Rob can' be draft it Rob hard can't make a mistake. Trorium on Rob. You can't make a mistake I was with Rob. I'm like go take us there. Yeah man. Yeah Rob can't get drafted, Robob can't get drafted Broob. Yeah, Rob, Rob can't get drafted. a guy a stark heavy draft. a lot of starks wentin Oh no Sansa. No sansa. Oh I know. No Sansa. No sas of dark Is that our fault or is that the show's fault? because They did not know what they wanted to do for. I mean if we make a list of people that the show let down willll be here all day Saza to me is among the most egregious Not one black person I was just thinking We should have a blank Mande Mande. you could take Allen You could take what do you call it? The se the sea snake. Sea snake was cool. from a House of the Dragon. Not O black person drafted and the black people's blirds draft what do you call it? The dude, the Eunich dude. Steve, you could have done the funniest thing ever. Oh, I could have done it all my go. I You could have done the funniest thing ever. Oh my Godd, I need to God damn funny. God damn it Steve. I need to play I need to be playing forty chess here. Who else You know what If we you got to recast. didn't No Night King? No Night King? N Wings No wowlings not drafted. You drafted Mance Rider M man I'm saying Like we we we did this And it's it's good. There's so many characters, such a ritual No Jamie No Jam. Oh, Jamie No me Jamie, No, Jamie Land. No Podrick. Damn, I did love pop. No edge shearing id the is. Pedro Pascal. who was who was Robert's u bastard that they like introduced for a couple of episodes trying to make a seem like he was going to go for Oh with the axe. Yeah. Oh, Gindry? Yeah. Yeah No. I know. They are you? When that toopped off, I thought almost certainly he was gonna be the one to get it. because I thought they were going to go. Okaykay, they're going to bring in a bastard then legitimize him in some way. I'm a trooper at the end. Yeah. And then like I'm gonna be He's going to be the one to get it. You know what character did not get drafted? I should have drafted It was one of my favorite Game of Thrones characters. Hodor Stanis man. Oh, that is one of the Thannis is one of the most complicated tragic characters in the whole fucking thing. I had he lost when when he burned his daughter. He did he did really were so happ You on Twitter. like We knew it was coming, but he loved his daughter, bro. but it just just it was too he to me was J such a great example of what getting fixated on all of that stuff really is. So All right my last question for y'all because we've never talked about this because also didn't go drafted brand When Brad goes to the ir throne and tearing on all that bullshit about stories and shit in the moment I was like, fuck this a fuck this show. But if you like from the books to the pilot or whatever It is very obvious that like brand is like being a is a character when you just like when you look at the entire arc of it, you're like, o The show starts with him getting put that pilot pushed out of the fuck attack. She' just like, well, of course He's going to become king But is there any way in a TV show for that he Landed better. Yeah. it's the same thing with Daenerys You got to stret, you got to literally like T to develop that They forgot about Brand for a whole season. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, but at the same time like To your point, you still saw the visionough. you can see going back you can see it. You're just like the show didn't give a fuck about plan For so long. I was like by the end, I was like, wait, why the fuck? Because also I'm standing there and like Terry is making his whole pitch and I'm like fuck not only do they not who know who this sigga is, they don't care about him. We thought he was gonna time travel at the end of the show. Like it was great. P peopleople thought that. What they think? Well, y'all had some crazy theories, man. Yeah The theories were nuts. I was not locked in like that. Oh my gosh, time travel. Yeah. That's insane I mean, I guess you likeike he would use his powers in some way that would go go back and be like, hey guys U what was it what happened in Justice League? When the flash came through Am I early? A ear Am I early? I think I'm early I'm early. Don't trust him. That's what y'all thought Ram was going do.ust him. Those Snyder bots were so crazy for that Every that is it Now vote on who you think is the winner of this mother hgin draft stopp of that How's the dragon is here? It's here the dragon You you guys excited? Howouse' it the dragon? Howouse it dragon? Howouse it draon? How's it As we record right now one hundred percent on aroundawn tomatoes. How many people have seen it? Quite a few, quite a few. That's a Stven Spelberg mov Oh my God. We will not be lying about House of the Dragon. Just a joke. If you enjoyed the movie, good for you. It's a joke guys People, you know, it's funnyy. Pople were people that listened to us thought we were too hard on it. Our audience thought we were too hard on it. Meanwhile, other people, everybody just had a problem. That's how you know that you still matter. I will say that about Spielberg. as a filmmaker, you still matter, you're still consequential. because everyone had like a super strong take. like peopleople were like, you guys were so tough on the movie and all of that stuff like that. But you know, now people are out there people I saw someone shout out toever this is all scrolling. I was like, So what actuallyhley. circle back and apologize to you,, he's like ye, I saw a movie I'm so sorry for apology. Come on. He becauseuse he got at me at first. He was like He was like, nah man, I saw the movie, my bad bro. like you got. He must have hated that shit to Yeah. It must have been like c like to go back on the internet.' wrong. He was like, Oh I gotta tell manan man, my photo Gee. All right. Tough. Oh, before we go, I want to let are we gonna ever give the audience and a land can jump in here ince we since we know are we gonna to ever give the audience more sppireing toward? It was a good season I enjoyed it What? Be serious. We got fuck your House of the Dragy, we got fuck you supergirl. Charles did you see any spider News Nick a no. Okay don't b. What No is a good show. It's a very good show TV man. It is a good show Spid in the warar act anti ch. He's allergic to having fun ch chuck. Check it out. I'm gonna die one day and my boyys's on the couch telling me to watch some spiders You got What are you talking about? W wait, What you We're going to be talking to a skeleton on a chair one day. What are you talking about? That' be so funny if, you know, when Charles is one hundred and twenty five because he' going be with us for a long time. Right. He's laying down. he's with his He's with us much he's with his great grandchildren, mayaybe his great, great grandchildren at that point. and they're like Yeah Chuck Is there anything Great granddad, Chuck, is there anything that you regret? Grandpappy Chuck? Yeah I said, I never watch spotsmore. You be like, what? I said I should I should have never watched It' on Prime video. you know the planet that we're on now. A funny. That is done U program remind us next week House of Var continues with their their Nolan summer. The Dark Knight Rise is featuring Eric Voss. of new rock stars. Support everybody in the space, Go out there and support everybody support Ernie Blur it with fear and support. Comments explain. We can all live together R. Sort New Rck stars you watch five times in a row, then watch that supportuort emergency. awesome. supportupp everybody in the space. All of the other creators are out there making great stuff. 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All right onn Sunday, check for the return of Talk Thrones that will be back on Monday the midnight boys give their interest reactions to see the three premiere of House of Dragon. Our producers today are Alleas and there's Cha to Allea who's been doing a incredible job aroundon. He's done so much for us. keepes the trains moving. Devon Berraldi who also does a fucking amazing job Jommy who's here on social A hashtag, Jomy Milkman of Westeros, G hashtag om If we're going be honest Most of Westeros is that we've seen is the Whisposy Baddy is drafted There is no Camel and door't count. You know what? Honestly, we should be able to do a Wester Rosi Badd's draft And I'm gonna be real with you. We should be able to we're not going to do it because if we do it, then y'all y'all going to start marching and stuff. But like we're gonna start marching. Can't do a Westerosi Baddies draft, but I mean If you got to take Mande, you take Mande first? Number one, not even close. One of the baddest one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever be on TV period I your phone with nobody say Crazy, crazy And that would be controversial. We should be able to do the draft, but nobody is going to lie. I'm even trying to think like I could tell a Wester Rosi bady draft. We should be able to do again. I think I think Night the seeven King is really trailblazed here I think Red was was a was a revelation G gott to add Nlliemanuel to the list orry. Oh, noa. we' done adding first of all, she it's not retiring list. Is? I know, but still though, she gott to be added to the. Is this a reluctant ad or is this Yeah, I don' want to add her 'cause she' been around doing a thing for unfortunately doesn't m sense to add her 'cause that's not ar not add it. That's not. Shes. I thought we were retiring What' What's Say? Um, what do you call it? U Tyrion's girlfriend that Tywin then. By the way, pressure suuper pressure and also gets busy Right? right It gets busy as you' got a lot of game tape out there. I say also Ill say I'll say also The Sand sisters All right, going crazy 'causeuse one of them was from Ironfis. Yeah, Cing. I feel like if we would do the baddies' draft we got a bg house of We got to make it a Yeah, man, that's Pander We don't need to buy a checkout work Let's pander either we do it or we don't. Check we we b We got a layer Traction. We got a lay' not If we go if we go too far, Alah, I trust Alah and Devin. already. I trust Alia and Devin if we go too far. If we set up tr Lally I don't know how deep the game of Thrones likeike we'd have to like for all four of us with like, you, Stehven sixteteen, twenty categorory. crazy Game of Thrones got them like man, but I mean, what about the what about the lady that was In the first season was in riding the cart. Yeah, rightight. but that's the lady riding the cart is not really like. She was in enough of the show. We know her name. She was a. All I'm saying is you could do a fandom baddies draft. You can go Game of Thrones, MCU, DC st. You guys can do Westeros baddies, but you have to include men as well. Okay, fine. All right That's fine. We got pap in there hereere's the problem I mean, I don't when there's so many women out there, I'm not going to be I don't understand what's I legitimately don't understand what's wrong with it Donors, I get it I mean you do get it. Pe would be do under. I don't. Is it a objectification Yeah. So you's the problem. Yoto is it? Okay, okay, last thing I okay, I'm gonna ask. okay, my ask. Okay ask All right We got we got a Westroads. We got a GOT Baddies's teier maker already made. So so okay Let me ask a question. okay All right, you got some funny pictures. Everybody can answer Okay, that's some funny. In the back you can answer you're taking a little tie round of boe overall entire back you can answer to everyverybody can answer. Marjorie Oh is Marjorory, see? is Objectification Bad. If it doesn't come along with marginalization Meaning We just saying you look good We're not saying that you don't look that you look good and that's your only purpose. We're not saying it. all you are a yes somebody. See back in the day when you would objectify talking about I'm making an argument for ethical objectification. And let me tell you what I make. Okay just listen, listenisten, listen, listen.m listening. list listen. back in the day There was the poster. And the poster was of the sports car and the woman Lady Yeah. That's unethical objectification. Okay because it makes the sports car and the woman The same thing. These are both things that youain. These are These are objects But If you saying that you are a beautiful actress playing this great character and you also bad a shit and we're respecting your craft and respecting what you have to say and what you've done, but also just saying you bad I feel like that's okay. I feel like it's okay to be like, hey, you know what G give me somebody that you like. Sabrina Carpenter, I bet. And like it's like you like her. I can tell that's your shit. No. Let's say you are great amazing amazing singer, but I like the way you look in that little shit that you wear or be it Be it whomever it could be Beyonce, Lato, whatever. we respect the talent and realize that you are a full three dimensional lady, but also you bad of shit That's not okay. Right. So here's. What I would say is Not only are there not many Women, especially in the fandom space T times out of ten because we are dudes When we talk about these women, One of the first things we do is, o, she's bad. So then you got to dig a little bit deeper. If you're a man on Game of Thrones, there's some ugly niggas on Game of Thrones. But men, especially as actors can be ugly and we're not judging them based on how bad they are. But to on Game of Thrones or an HBO show, nine times out of ten, you have to be one of the hottest. It's not nine times out of ten on Game of Thrones though. I'm not gonna go there 's I'm saying what I'm saying, like it is represent I's not going go there but there's representation. But all I will say, especially when it comes to the Nerdspace Star Wars MCver because there's so few women in these roles could get a little problematic. are we are basically saying like we're going to do a draft about how attractive these wom. It's not only that, it's not only that. like because you're a hundred percent correct Even if we were to go, hey guys, here's the setup. We want to glorify the whole thing, everything that you just said. Even if we set that at the top Putting the graphics you have this. I'm justin Okay. They killed us for the sinnest Thank you the internet for the ciny. Oh man S this reast dog.y I was getting DMs for days. He flcome. You don't get the joke, you don't watch our shit I' get fuck what you say. had I had a thought, just just a thought about this. I hear what you guys are saying and I will stand down. I will say though But I do think that there's an ethical way to do this is I think that is uncharted. through a draft and then also talk a little bit about the actress and she went to the Royal Shakespeare Company and all of that stuff. we're here we're gonna read her resume be like she's nots actress. She's bad. M than just M bady, but she is also a bad The leading women draft. We did the leading men draft how many years ago we got to do the lead draft And it doesn't have to be about bad. It should be about acting talent. But some of these not leading women no. We just can't do it there ye, we need to get Who says we' get more parity in society. But I think I want to hear from the midnight writers in the midnight mob Do you think this is wrong or do you think this is something especially especially the women Yeah I'm more so careful. women Yeah, what do the women ladies do they think They gott to be able to have? N It it' be funny. It will be funny. Let me ask you this Last thing I'll say L. This is not gonna be. Let's say that A new rock stars. Boss Voss, heavy spoilers If they did a bllack character's draft During Like Hsory month. Wrapp it up. Let'srap it up. Would you guys be mad at that? Now if it was four white guys doing white guys doing the draft That's a lot'sion sh. You think that that's not. See I would take it as a celebration as long as they didn't put a dollar amount by the people and then that's o Oh oxygen. Yeah no, ye.'s Black pan for five hundred. I'll say this. any sle time 's aion people are doing any type of draft or auction where there's black people anywhere near it. Nigga We really got to go I hear you NFL traraft is a straight up slave auction bra. It is It is like the N disagree. The NFL don't disagree N drap. Th Nigas come out with their shirts off And they body fapaces, they run, they jump They talk about where a dady's been from, they they pentigree. That's a straight up. The NFL drirave is a straight up to a li lot. I mean it's not they not you can't call these Naga slaves, they're making fifty million dollars or whatever, some of them, But the NFL driraft is straight up. They make you answer questions. They do they do all Its weird when you really when you think about it Yeah. When you really d about it, we some pictures. you'll see a guy standing up there his shirt off' a bunch of white guys with clip wars around And watch your white ner is going debuted in nineteen seventy three had all the intangibles. John Stewart came in fully white fully white organization really mixed the decent universe not, but it'd be craz because they' be like you see, you see his hips and the way his thighs move man, his barrel chested body he's running that forty Oh Mike his arm size. you knowre like, brother. it's tough. really with that but they gott to do that.' part of it's what I'm saying Do they do not do they have to do that That part of the They have by the way, we got to do it, but we're not going to because that's not what we are M But I was just asking the question, Chuck, take us out I'm just in the podcast. I'm just ask Gal Prouction from Arjuna Ram Gapal. The draft is a wrap Let your dragons fly far And my black ass will never be watching Spider Man Noir